Are Postal Centers “Government Property”?

[Mleeja]

Our new President sign an executive order mandating mask be worn on government property? Are the postal centers considered “government property”?

Keep your answers non-political! :-)

[retiredguy123]

I think that Post Office buildings and the surrounding area (parking lot, etc.) that are on property that is owned or leased by the Federal Government are considered Government property. But, I don't think the postal centers located in The Villages are leased by the Federal Government, especially the land around the postal center. However, the locked interior space inside the postal center is probably considered Government property because it is controlled by the Federal Government. My opinion.

[John41]

Our new President sign an executive order mandating mask be worn on government property? Are the postal centers considered “government property”?

Keep your answers non-political! :-)

No the postal stations, even the new post office, are leased.

[Goldwingnut]

The property is actually considered an amenity, so it is either property of the VCCDD (north of 466), SLCDD (between 466 and 44), or privately owned by the developer (south of 44). As Retiredguy123 stated, the interior of the postal facility is government-controlled property under the jurisdiction of the Postal Service.

So the root question as I read it is do you have to wear a face mask to check your mail. No. Do the contract postal workers have to wear a mask inside? Maybe, it depends on how this edict from up high is written. If there's only one person inside it would be stupid. If there is more than one worker inside then I would lay odds they'll go back to the Bill Clinton days and close the doors and adopt the policy of "don't ask, don't tell".

[retiredguy123]

No the postal stations, even the new post office, are leased.
Typically, any property that is maintained, operated, and controlled by the Federal Government is considered Government property, even if it is leased. Many of the Federal office buildings in Washington D.C. and other cities are leased property.

[John41]

As Retiredguy123 stated, the interior of the postal facility is government-controlled property under the jurisdiction of the Postal Service

Typically, any property that is maintained, operated, and controlled by the Federal Government is considered Government property, even if it is leased. Many of the Federal office buildings in Washington D.C. and other cities are leased property.


I think any lessee has the same rights not just the government or who would be foolish enough to lease to the government if that gave the government a proprietary right that could infringe on the ownership of the lessor? For example, I lease a building for my barbershop and call it "my barbershop" and I maintain , operate and control it, but that does not convey true property ownership even though I might refer to it as my property. Bottom line I can probably require a mask as if I owner the property.
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The simple rule that all government property is exempt from property taxes is complicated by the Machinery Act’s treatment of leasehold interests in exempt government property. A leasehold interest is the tenant’s right to use the leased property for the term described in the lease.

[pqrstar]

RetiredGuy123 wrote "However, the locked interior space inside the postal center is probably considered Government property because it is controlled by the Federal Government. My opinion."

John41 wrote "No the postal stations, even the new post office, are leased."

So, I'm curious. . .

Does the government pay rent and utilities for the space?
What entity of The Villages collects the rent?
Who pays for utilities, electricity, water, and air conditioning?
To what Villages budget is the rent applied?

[retiredguy123]

RetiredGuy123 wrote "However, the locked interior space inside the postal center is probably considered Government property because it is controlled by the Federal Government. My opinion."

John41 wrote "No the postal stations, even the new post office, are leased."

So, I'm curious. . .

Does the government pay rent and utilities for the space?
What entity of The Villages collects the rent?
Who pays for utilities, electricity, water, and air conditioning?
To what Villages budget is the rent applied?
I doubt that the Federal Government pays rent for the postal stations within The Villages where residents pick up their mail. But, the locked space inside the stations is controlled by the Post Office because it is part of the mailboxes and it is considered Federal property. Even people who have their own private mailbox on their own property cannot use the mailbox to receive anything other than official mail that has postage on it. For example, you cannot have your newspaper or brochures delivered to the box without postage. I think that all mailboxes where you receive your mail is considered Federal property.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The postal stations are not government property. The post BOXES are government property. So as long as you don't put your head directly in the boxes, you should be fine.

[billlaur]

:boom:The postal stations are not government property. The post BOXES are government property. So as long as you don't put your head directly in the boxes, you should be fine.

[golfing eagles]

The property is actually considered an amenity, so it is either property of the VCCDD (north of 466), SLCDD (between 466 and 44), or privately owned by the developer (south of 44). As Retiredguy123 stated, the interior of the postal facility is government-controlled property under the jurisdiction of the Postal Service.

So the root question as I read it is do you have to wear a face mask to check your mail. No. Do the contract postal workers have to wear a mask inside? Maybe, it depends on how this edict from up high is written. If there's only one person inside it would be stupid. If there is more than one worker inside then I would lay odds they'll go back to the Bill Clinton days and close the doors and adopt the policy of "don't ask, don't tell".

So therefore it may very well be true

[Scott O]

Our new President sign an executive order mandating mask be worn on government property? Are the postal centers considered “government property”?

Keep your answers non-political! :-)
No they are an amenity on villages property, no you don’t need a mask

[72lions]

Our new President sign an executive order mandating mask be worn on government property? Are the postal centers considered “government property”?

Keep your answers non-political! :-)

I don’t understand the point of this post. We do not need someone to dictate what to do when we all know what is the right thing. When you get out of your car golf cart to get your mail, wear a mask. It’s that simple.

[merrymini]

I am not wearing a mask to get my freaking mail.

[giorgio1948]

Our new President sign an executive order mandating mask be worn on government property? Are the postal centers considered “government property”?

Keep your answers non-political! :-)
Yes ~

[cindyfeh]

I am not wearing a mask to get my freaking mail.

I am.

[Goldwingnut]

RetiredGuy123 wrote "However, the locked interior space inside the postal center is probably considered Government property because it is controlled by the Federal Government. My opinion."

John41 wrote "No the postal stations, even the new post office, are leased."

So, I'm curious. . .

Does the government pay rent and utilities for the space?
What entity of The Villages collects the rent?
Who pays for utilities, electricity, water, and air conditioning?
To what Villages budget is the rent applied?

No they don't pay rent.
If they did pay rent it would be paid to the SLCDD or VCCDD
The utilities are covered in the SLAD (Sumter Landing Amenity Division) or RAC (Village Center Recreation Division) budgets.
If rent or utilities was paid to would be applied to the SLAD or RAD budgets.

It is exactly this reason (SLAD and RAD paying the costs) that I raised the issue, and it was corrected (at least partially) 2 years ago about the air conditioning in the postal facilities. They were running it at 65 degrees (or lower) year-round and leaving the door open when they were working inside the room. This was a waste of energy and an added expense to the budgets that paid the expense. Additionally, this was causing low temperatures in the room which as passed through to the metal frames of the postal boxes causing condensation and subsequent corrosion (rusting) and paint peeling of the mailbox frames.

Of course, the post office was, and still is, unwilling to do any maintenance of these facilities or burden any of the costs associated. DPM has limited ability to do any maintenance to the interior of these facilities because they are "government property" and they don't have a key to the rooms. Some arrangements and agreements have been made between the local postmaster and DPM on the maintenance and upkeep of these facilities (at our cost of course) but, in my opinion, it is still not up to the standards we as residents have come to expect for our community. The USPS has yielded little on this matter and their "holy sanctuaries", as they seem to feel they are, continue to be a maintenance issue and in many cases an eyesore and an embarrassment to our community.

[GeriS]

This is the most ridiculous thing I think I have read here.

[geosits]

I am not wearing a mask to get my freaking mail.

So don’t get your mail

[retiredguy123]

This is the most ridiculous thing I think I have read here.
I guess you don't read very many threads?

[bowlingal]

why don't you go inside and ask???

[karostay]

Money is gov property so when its in your pocket ?..........................Must you

[coffeebean]

I don’t understand the point of this post. We do not need someone to dictate what to do when we all know what is the right thing. When you get out of your car golf cart to get your mail, wear a mask. It’s that simple.

Nah...no need to wear a mask OUTSIDE when you can easily keep your distance from someone. Unless you hang around and chat for a few minutes close to someone there is no need to wear a mask. Even this new variant of the virus does not concern me when it comes to stepping outside the car to get the mail. It takes about 15 seconds to retrieve the mail, OUTSIDE and another 5 seconds to get back in the car. Let's not get crazy about this.

No one is more of a proponent of mask wearing than I am. I have contributed countless posts and videos on this forum on the necessity of wearing masks INDOORS all the time. The only exception is when I'm seated in a restaurant or bar AWAY from others and am actively eating or drinking. If I can not be guaranteed of being seated away from others, I do not patronize that establishment. Since this pandemic started, I have NEVER sat at a dining table with anyone other than my husband, not even family. We called off the holidays in 2020. THAT is how strongly I feel that mask wearing is necessary, INDOORS.

As for OUTDOORS, I make sure I'm not close to anyone so always keep my distance of at least 10 feet and that includes the couple of times I have been to the squares to listen to music. Wearing a mask at the mail center???? Nah.

[Villages Kahuna]

... after reading Page 1.

Please, folks, please... if you choose not to wear a mask to protect yourself, OK. But I beg you to wear one to protect me, and others like me who if they get infected will become very, very sick or probably die.

That’s not my opinion, but what my doctors tell me. I beg you to do my wife and I the favor of helping to keep us well. Please just wear a mask whenever you’re indoors or even outdoors if you’re near other people

[coffeebean]

I am.

Aren't you glad you have the choice to WEAR your mask anytime you wish? Is this a great country or what?

[jwilkin558@aol.com]

I agree with 72lions. Even if you don’t believe in masks, put it on for the minute or two that it takes. Be smart!!!!

[tjboxer79]

It doedn:t hurt to wear a mask at the postal centers, gov:t or not, for 100 days.

[nick demis]

Our new President sign an executive order mandating mask be worn on government property? Are the postal centers considered “government property”?

Keep your answers non-political! :-)

Are you asking about actual Post Offices or the boxes at each village?
I could be mistaken but my understanding is that Post Offices, even though they are leased, are considered federal property.
The boxes you get your mail at are not classified as federal property.
They are protected by the federal government for tampering purposes.
Just like the mail box in front of your house in most of the country. the home owner owns it but it is a federal offence to tamper with it or the mail inside of it.
As a contractor, whenever we did any work in a post office, I had to adhere to the federal regulations and inspections were directed by the federal government.

[robaldsc@hotmail.com]

What difference does it make? You should be wearing your mask near people.

[golfing eagles]

I don’t understand the point of this post. We do not need someone to dictate what to do when we all know what is the right thing. When you get out of your car golf cart to get your mail, wear a mask. It’s that simple.

You mean simply idiotic

[retiredguy123]

What difference does it make? You should be wearing your mask near people.
It only makes a difference if you want to comply with the President's executive order. The order doesn't say anything about being near people.

[Pat2015]

I am not wearing a mask to get my freaking mail.

Same here! Absolutely ridiculous.

[Jazzman]

I don’t understand the point of this post. We do not need someone to dictate what to do when we all know what is the right thing. When you get out of your car golf cart to get your mail, wear a mask. It’s that simple.

Or if you are more than six feet from the nearest human you are not required to wear one. Seems many forgot about the social distance rule.

[Jazzman]

It only makes a difference if you want to comply with the President's executive order. The order doesn't say anything about being near people.

So your interpretation is wear a mask even if there’s no one else around. Don’t think so.

[CFrance]

I guess you don't read very many threads?
:1rotfl::clap2::)

[stan the man]

I think that Post Office buildings and the surrounding area (parking lot, etc.) that are on property that is owned or leased by the Federal Government are considered Government property. But, I don't think the postal centers located in The Villages are leased by the Federal Government, especially the land around the postal center. However, the locked interior space inside the postal center is probably considered Government property because it is controlled by the Federal Government. My opinion.

Please state facts not opinions unless you want to hear my opinions which are usually incorrect

[RBGolfer]

Can’t see the forest for the trees... In all of 2020 (March to December), Sumter County had lost approximately 120 to COVID. In the past 3 weeks, we’ve lost another 50. Simple math tells me it’s getting worse not better. Maybe we should just wear a mask and all try to work toward ending this pandemic.

[Marine1974]

190,621 new coronavirus cases in the US on January 21, 2020 . 188,000 7 day average. Please wear a mask . If your not worried for yourself do it for others ., if someone had the flu , would you want them to come in the post office or any other public place you were at ? Common sense is required here .

[Tom2172]

What’s China suggest

[Veiragirl]

I think that Post Office buildings and the surrounding area (parking lot, etc.) that are on property that is owned or leased by the Federal Government are considered Government property. But, I don't think the postal centers located in The Villages are leased by the Federal Government, especially the land around the postal center. However, the locked interior space inside the postal center is probably considered Government property because it is controlled by the Federal Government. My opinion.
EVERYONE should be wearing a mask when in public places, regardless if it's a Fed.Bldg or Walmart. it blows my mind how stupid some folks are. IT'S NOT A POLITICAL STATEMENT IT'S CALLED BEING SMART

[Spadra1]

You get your mail from a federally run property this is in my opinion considered to be treated like any other Federal building and the same rules should apply. Wear your mask it is not only a requirement but a curtesy to everyone you come in contact with at the postal boxes if people haven’t learned by now that Covid is a real threat to all of us we are in bigger trouble than just worrying if the Postal buildings are under the rules of the Federal government. WEAR YOUR MASK

[Bill14564]

Ever-maskers and Never-maskers, the race to the bottom continues.

It really isn't that difficult, if you will be near someone outside your family/pod/bubble for more than a few seconds then wear a mask. If you are alone in your car or walking down a trail or grabbing your mail, then wearing a mask is helping no one. If you pass someone walking on the trail or grabbing mail and don't stop to talk then a mask is helping no one. But if you stop to talk, put the mask on; it really is that simple.

The virus is contagious but it isn't like childhood cooties, you don't catch it by simply walking past someone. I've seen people step off the sidewalk and into the golf cart lane to avoid walking past me on the sidewalk - the virus is contagious and deadly but not as deadly as being hit by a car.

Some people need to spend more time thinking about when masks make sense and less time demanding others wear masks from the moment they wake up.

[Yucatan2]

Can’t see the forest for the trees... In all of 2020 (March to December), Sumter County had lost approximately 120 to COVID. In the past 3 weeks, we’ve lost another 50. Simple math tells me it’s getting worse not better. Maybe we should just wear a mask and all try to work toward ending this pandemic.

You have to wonder, how much is this increase due to snowbirds coming here just after the holidays....about 3 weeks ago.

[McIntosh Apple]

For the little inconvenience, I would just wear a mask for the 2 minutes it takes to pick up the mail. What happens if someone beside you shows up and decides to talk with you and happens to have the virus. Very little inconvenience for a small period of time and to protect yourself.

[Bill14564]

It only makes a difference if you want to comply with the President's executive order. The order doesn't say anything about being near people.

Which may be the biggest reason it is ignored. Rules/laws/orders ought to make sense or else they will be ignored. Requiring masks in Federal buildings (or any public indoor space) makes a lot of sense. Requiring a mask to fly a kite in the middle of the National Mall or on a hike into the Grand Canyon tells me there was little thought behind the order.

[cj1040]

Just wear a mask wherever you go like we do in the Northeast...not that big of a deal. We would never dream of going anywhere in public without one and this will be our life for at least another year, covid vaccines or not ! We are in our 70s and hope to live to see our youngest grand kids get married etc and enjoy another 20 years at least of the good life ! Wearing a hospital mask with maybe a decorative one over it is also recommended - double masking if in close quarters such as a plane or public transport is recommended ! My husband is a retired physician and our daughter is an ER physician - we take this virus seriously !!!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

... after reading Page 1.

Please, folks, please... if you choose not to wear a mask to protect yourself, OK. But I beg you to wear one to protect me, and others like me who if they get infected will become very, very sick or probably die.

That’s not my opinion, but what my doctors tell me. I beg you to do my wife and I the favor of helping to keep us well. Please just wear a mask whenever you’re indoors or even outdoors if you’re near other people

And of course you will encounter the insensitive jerks who insist that you isolate yourself for the rest of your life, so as to not risk imminent death. Because their convenience is more important than your health.

You shouldn't even have to ask this request of other human beings. I'm sorry on behalf of Actual Humanity that you did.

I wear a mask inside buildings that aren't my own, and when I'm in a crowd where I'm unable to social distance.

At the postal centers, if I see someone coming my way, I will turn my head down so as not to breathe in their general direction and if I'm done with getting my mail, will walk as quickly away from the boxes as possible. If I see that I have to pass someone to get away, I'll do it at a distance, OR I will (yes, I really will) go the other way, because 4 steps of inconvenience on my part might save the life of someone else, and I'm okay with that.

[PugMom]

I guess you don't read very many threads?

:clap2::icon_wink:

[PugMom]

Ever-maskers and Never-maskers, the race to the bottom continues.

It really isn't that difficult, if you will be near someone outside your family/pod/bubble for more than a few seconds then wear a mask. If you are alone in your car or walking down a trail or grabbing your mail, then wearing a mask is helping no one. If you pass someone walking on the trail or grabbing mail and don't stop to talk then a mask is helping no one. But if you stop to talk, put the mask on; it really is that simple.

The virus is contagious but it isn't like childhood cooties, you don't catch it by simply walking past someone. I've seen people step off the sidewalk and into the golf cart lane to avoid walking past me on the sidewalk - the virus is contagious and deadly but not as deadly as being hit by a car.

Some people need to spend more time thinking about when masks make sense and less time demanding others wear masks from the moment they wake up.

if i see someone decked out in protection gear it tells me this person is probably high-risk & i just avoid them. i smile, wave & allow them to pass 1st, then move onto another area altogether until they've gone. basic common sense goes a long way

[merrymini]

So don’t get your mail

I will pick up my mail and do anything I want to and would like to see somebody try and stop me.

[Spalumbos62]

I am not wearing a mask to get my freaking mail.

Good luck with that. You think this virus gives a crap what kind of bldg you are in when it decides to attach to you? I personally believe that mask protect me, as well as you.
Seriously, what's the big deal- get the bandit/scarf kind...you just always have it on and you slip it into place when needed AND it hides those ugly jowels.

[DAVES]

Our new President sign an executive order mandating mask be worn on government property? Are the postal centers considered “government property”?

Keep your answers non-political! :-)

What difference does it make? I do not understand why the masks are such a big deal with some people. Re: covid 19. Since there is as I understand it a 2 week gestation period not wearing a mask? It is possible your act has killed someone. You would not know. It does not mean you did not kill them.

[Curtisbwp]

No, and the person working in them are NOT postal employees, they are contractors.

[dadoiron]

Our new President sign an executive order mandating mask be worn on government property? Are the postal centers considered “government property”?

Keep your answers non-political! :-)
Simple answer is No

[EdFNJ]

Our new President sign an executive order mandating mask be worn on government property? Are the postal centers considered “government property”?

Keep your answers non-political! :-)

No the postal stations, even the new post office, are leased. The fact property is "leased" doesn't make it government or non-government property. I would guess that the majority of local post office BUILDING is on a "leased" property from a non-governmental landlord but the operation itself is definitely "governmental" so the mandate would apply. As for The Villages postal centers, that might require a constitutional amendment. :D


Actually I found this:
ON BUYING AND OWNING A POST OFFICE - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/1981/07/05/realestate/on-buying-and-owning-a-post-office.html)

Despite the ever-present American flags flying above all United States post offices, the United States Postal Service actually owns only 3,691 buildings. The remaining 28,743 post offices in the United States are leased from other owners.

''They make very good investments,'' said Harry Eisenberg, whose Yonkers firm of O'Keefe & Eisenberg specializes in postal properties. ''There's very little management, and you get your rent on the first of the month.''

[Byte1]

What difference does it make? He had his photo taken inside a "federal government" building without his mask on right after he signed the unconstitutional order, so why would you care? I don't and won't let it make a difference to me.
As for whether or not you SHOULD wear a mask when getting your mail, if you are outside and distanced from anyone else, use your common sense.

[C-Pet]

I think your real question is "do I have to wear a mask at my neighborhood postal station." Whether it is mandated in a particular place or not, you should wear a mask when around others not of your household. It's going to be a long time before enough people are vaccinated to give us herd immunity and wearing masks and washing our hands is our best defense until then. It's such a small thing, really. Please do it, to protect yourself and others.

[jimjamuser]

Our new President sign an executive order mandating mask be worn on government property? Are the postal centers considered “government property”?

Keep your answers non-political! :-)
Why NOT just wear your mask because it is the RIGHT thing to do. That is what government leaders and medical experts are saying (for OUR benefit). There is a NEW virus strain with its HUGE viral load that will probably take over in Florida in about a week - it will be more transmissible - more cases will become more DEATHS. Hospitals are suing some patients for their CV stay (if they live).

Vaccines will NOT reach 80% of Americans until around June at best case prediction and Dec by some predictions. So, what are we left with "sports fans". We are left for the next months with masks and social distance. If that does NOT work, then it is BACK to LOCKDOWNS - not back to a normal future. England is MANDATING a SEVERE lockdown and it has NOT STOPPED this NEW variant. So, "sport fans" if you do NOT want a SEVERE lockdown with no nightly square entertainment and no golfing for eagles, then logic says you should moderate your behavior and do NOT even ever question what the medical experts say, "wear the damn mask". As Dick Cheney said, " real men wear masks". Do NOT question V.P. Cheney!!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

I am not wearing a mask to get my freaking mail.
That attitude will end up disrupting the going back to normal that is on the verge of happening in a few months with the improved vaccine distribution actions that are planned. Most people want "normal" not lockdowns with no music in the squares, the swimming pools closed, and no more golfing for eagles. PEOPLE - we are on the verge of making "normal" happen, don't screwdriver it up!

[graciegirl]

Our new President sign an executive order mandating mask be worn on government property? Are the postal centers considered “government property”?

Keep your answers non-political! :-)

Do you wear a mask when you pick up your mail outside, in The Villages...no matter whether or not it is ordered to do so? I live directly in view of our little building and parking lot in Bridgeport at Laurel Valley that has only 54 boxes for 54 homes here in this small village. I see about maybe one in ten people wearing masks to get their mail. We sadly had a death here in our small village this week from Covid-19.

We haven't worn masks to get the mail, but it might need to be reconsidered now that we know that a much more contagious form of this virus is among us. I doubt that anyone will ever check on this...but it is better to be safe than sick.

[jimjamuser]

Money is gov property so when its in your pocket ?..........................Must you
Mask AND gloves !

[jimjamuser]

Nah...no need to wear a mask OUTSIDE when you can easily keep your distance from someone. Unless you hang around and chat for a few minutes close to someone there is no need to wear a mask. Even this new variant of the virus does not concern me when it comes to stepping outside the car to get the mail. It takes about 15 seconds to retrieve the mail, OUTSIDE and another 5 seconds to get back in the car. Let's not get crazy about this.

No one is more of a proponent of mask wearing than I am. I have contributed countless posts and videos on this forum on the necessity of wearing masks INDOORS all the time. The only exception is when I'm seated in a restaurant or bar AWAY from others and am actively eating or drinking. If I can not be guaranteed of being seated away from others, I do not patronize that establishment. Since this pandemic started, I have NEVER sat at a dining table with anyone other than my husband, not even family. We called off the holidays in 2020. THAT is how strongly I feel that mask wearing is necessary, INDOORS.

As for OUTDOORS, I make sure I'm not close to anyone so always keep my distance of at least 10 feet and that includes the couple of times I have been to the squares to listen to music. Wearing a mask at the mail center???? Nah.
Dear Ms Nah.....that advice might be correct for the OLD variant of the pandemic virus. But, there is a new Virus Sheriff in town and it has 2 automatic firing sixguns, one on each hip - it is rapid firing highly transmissible virus-laden droplets at non-mask wearers.

Not a great time to let down your guard when you are just one more dose away from being highly protected from the pain and expense of intensive hospital care. Be safe, not sorry......say adios to the Virus Sheriff!

[jimjamuser]

... after reading Page 1.

Please, folks, please... if you choose not to wear a mask to protect yourself, OK. But I beg you to wear one to protect me, and others like me who if they get infected will become very, very sick or probably die.

That’s not my opinion, but what my doctors tell me. I beg you to do my wife and I the favor of helping to keep us well. Please just wear a mask whenever you’re indoors or even outdoors if you’re near other people
I will take that pledge to save your life. You are worth, at least, a little inconvenience to me!

[coffeebean]

It only makes a difference if you want to comply with the President's executive order. The order doesn't say anything about being near people.

Really? The President's executive order is asking us to wear a mask even if we are not anywhere near people? I don't think he would ask that of the American people. It's just silly.

[coffeebean]

190,621 new coronavirus cases in the US on January 21, 2020 . 188,000 7 day average. Please wear a mask . If your not worried for yourself do it for others ., if someone had the flu , would you want them to come in the post office or any other public place you were at ? Common sense is required here .

Aren't we talking about the mail centers here in The Villages? They are OUTSIDE and many times there is no one around. No, I won't wear a mask OUTSIDE when no one is around or anywhere near me. Sorry, I just won't do it.

[jimjamuser]

Same here! Absolutely ridiculous.
And so the apocalypse began as stubbornness encompassed the United States!

[jimjamuser]

Can’t see the forest for the trees... In all of 2020 (March to December), Sumter County had lost approximately 120 to COVID. In the past 3 weeks, we’ve lost another 50. Simple math tells me it’s getting worse not better. Maybe we should just wear a mask and all try to work toward ending this pandemic.
Good one, bears repeating.

[coffeebean]

For the little inconvenience, I would just wear a mask for the 2 minutes it takes to pick up the mail. What happens if someone beside you shows up and decides to talk with you and happens to have the virus. Very little inconvenience for a small period of time and to protect yourself.

Easy peasy........I step back, put up my hand and kindly ask for the person to give me space. I've done it lots of times, even when I'm wearing a mask indoors. I do not let anyone get close to me, even neighbors I have had to ask to keep their distance from me. I always make the first move to move away. It is one of the best ways to protect yourself from this virus.

I've had a woman roll her eyes at me when I asked her to move away from me when I was already sitting on the stone wall at Spanish Springs town square. I let her know right away that we are supposed to stay at least 6 feet away from others and DO NOT ROLL YOUR EYES AT ME!!!!!! She did as I asked. I have no problem speaking up for myself.

[golfing eagles]

And so the apocalypse began as stubbornness encompassed the United States!

No, not stubbornness---- common sense and rational thinking. You can continue to worship at the altar of the holy mask, blind to the fact that masks have both their uses AND limitations, blind to the fact that there are places masks should required and places that they are useless. Re-read the posts on this thread---there are people who think you should wear a mask because it is easy, there are still some that think they are protecting themselves with a mask, and now there are "new strain" fear mongers. Remember the recommendations-----social distance at least 6 feet and wear a mask if that is not possible. NOT wear mask all the time and then social distance if you can. It's becoming a new religion, only crazier than the moonies or the hari krishnas

[jimjamuser]

Ever-maskers and Never-maskers, the race to the bottom continues.

It really isn't that difficult, if you will be near someone outside your family/pod/bubble for more than a few seconds then wear a mask. If you are alone in your car or walking down a trail or grabbing your mail, then wearing a mask is helping no one. If you pass someone walking on the trail or grabbing mail and don't stop to talk then a mask is helping no one. But if you stop to talk, put the mask on; it really is that simple.

The virus is contagious but it isn't like childhood cooties, you don't catch it by simply walking past someone. I've seen people step off the sidewalk and into the golf cart lane to avoid walking past me on the sidewalk - the virus is contagious and deadly but not as deadly as being hit by a car.

Some people need to spend more time thinking about when masks make sense and less time demanding others wear masks from the moment they wake up.
Always better safe than sorry.

[golfing eagles]

Always better safe than sorry.

Isn't that the motto of those that drive 45 mph in the left lane of the interstate????

[coffeebean]

I think your real question is "do I have to wear a mask at my neighborhood postal station." Whether it is mandated in a particular place or not, you should wear a mask when around others not of your household. It's going to be a long time before enough people are vaccinated to give us herd immunity and wearing masks and washing our hands is our best defense until then. It's such a small thing, really. Please do it, to protect yourself and others.

Have you gone to the town squares to listen to music? I can count on one hand how many people wear masks. Same for the outdoor bars at the restaurants in the squares. This is why we have gone to the squares to listen to music only twice. Once we sat in our golf cart the entire time and the other time we were distanced from others at least by 10 feet. I won't be going back any time soon because people don't seem to understand the concept of social distancing.

[jimjamuser]

Which may be the biggest reason it is ignored. Rules/laws/orders ought to make sense or else they will be ignored. Requiring masks in Federal buildings (or any public indoor space) makes a lot of sense. Requiring a mask to fly a kite in the middle of the National Mall or on a hike into the Grand Canyon tells me there was little thought behind the order.
ALL rules are imperfect as are ALL human beings or their social organization.

[coffeebean]

Why NOT just wear your mask because it is the RIGHT thing to do. That is what government leaders and medical experts are saying (for OUR benefit). There is a NEW virus strain with its HUGE viral load that will probably take over in Florida in about a week - it will be more transmissible - more cases will become more DEATHS. Hospitals are suing some patients for their CV stay (if they live).

Vaccines will NOT reach 80% of Americans until around June at best case prediction and Dec by some predictions. So, what are we left with "sports fans". We are left for the next months with masks and social distance. If that does NOT work, then it is BACK to LOCKDOWNS - not back to a normal future. England is MANDATING a SEVERE lockdown and it has NOT STOPPED this NEW variant. So, "sport fans" if you do NOT want a SEVERE lockdown with no nightly square entertainment and no golfing for eagles, then logic says you should moderate your behavior and do NOT even ever question what the medical experts say, "wear the damn mask". As Dick Cheney said, " real men wear masks". Do NOT question V.P. Cheney!!!!!!
I will most certainly wear a mask in all indoor spaces and outdoor spaces when social distancing is not feasible. I will not wear a mask OUTDOORS when picking up my mail when it takes me seconds to get my mail and get back into my car. If anyone looks like they are coming near me, I move away. It really is a simple to avoid people at the mail center.

[jimjamuser]

I will pick up my mail and do anything I want to and would like to see somebody try and stop me.
Sad!

[coffeebean]

That attitude will end up disrupting the going back to normal that is on the verge of happening in a few months with the improved vaccine distribution actions that are planned. Most people want "normal" not lockdowns with no music in the squares, the swimming pools closed, and no more golfing for eagles. PEOPLE - we are on the verge of making "normal" happen, don't screwdriver it up!

Let's be real about this. I can count on one hand the amount of people I have seen wear a mask at our OUTDOOR mail centers in the last month.

[Steve Mosher]

Government property is in fact public property and freely open to the public. Government property can identify physical areas within its property as restricted. (Like inside the postal building that contains access to the mail slots). The open access area is subject to law and not to policy. So, if the president changes the "law", we become subject to that law.

[jimjamuser]

I will most certainly wear a mask in all indoor spaces and outdoor spaces when social distancing is not feasible. I will not wear a mask OUTDOORS when picking up my mail when it takes me seconds to get my mail and get back into my car. If anyone looks like they are coming near me, I move away. It really is a simple to avoid people at the mail center.
I CAN live with that compromise.

[Joe V.]

Government property is in fact public property and freely open to the public. Government property can identify physical areas within its property as restricted. (Like inside the postal building that contains access to the mail slots). The open access area is subject to law and not to policy. So, if the president changes the "law", we become subject to that law.


President's do not change laws. They sign or veto them as passed by Congress.

[Byte1]

I have NEVER worn a mask to pick up my mail. I simply maintain my distance, waiting my turn if anyone is near my mailbox. I have no intention of wearing a mask because someone "thinks" that the president mandated it, illegally I might add. The executive branch does not make law, they enforce existing laws. If a store mandates mask wearing, then that is fine. If a bank says NO masks, that is fine with me also. I do not have to go inside if I do not feel safe, or I can wait until I can distance myself. Apparently, common sense has been overwhelmed by mass hysteria here.
If you live in fear, there is absolutely no one that will deny your right to wear a mask. Like I have said many times before, your safety is up to you, not anyone else.

[Mleeja]

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[EdFNJ]

President's do not change laws. They sign or veto them as passed by Congress. Well, "executives" past and current ALL seem to have no problem changing and making laws (ie. executive orders) and if those laws were unconstitutional one would think someone would have challenged them. Even governors do that.

https://www.phe.gov/s3/law/Pages/ExecOrders.aspx

Executive Orders state mandatory requirements for the Executive Branch, and have the effect of law. ... They are issued in relation to a law passed by Congress or based on powers granted to the President in the Constitution and must be consistent with those authorities.

[Joe V.]

Well, "executives" past and current ALL seem to have no problem changing and making laws (ie. executive orders) and if those laws were unconstitutional one would think someone would have challenged them. Even governors do that.

https://www.phe.gov/s3/law/Pages/ExecOrders.aspx

Executive Orders state mandatory requirements for the Executive Branch, and have the effect of law. ... They are issued in relation to a law passed by Congress or based on powers granted to the President in the Constitution and must be consistent with those authorities.

An executive order, no matter how much you love it, is still not a law. Simple concept.

[kenoc7]

Aren't you glad you have the choice to WEAR your mask anytime you wish? Is this a great country or what?
It shouldn't be a choice indoors. And it would be a much better country if there was more of a sense of the common good.

[kenoc7]

What difference does it make? He had his photo taken inside a "federal government" building without his mask on right after he signed the unconstitutional order, so why would you care? I don't and won't let it make a difference to me.
As for whether or not you SHOULD wear a mask when getting your mail, if you are outside and distanced from anyone else, use your common sense.
Not unconstitutional and he has been a superb role model for mask-wearing!! Have you b been on another planet for the last year?

[EdFNJ]

Not unconstitutional and he has been a superb role model for mask-wearing!! Have you b been on another planet for the last year? He's likely been on this planet but watching the wrong channel. ;)

[EdFNJ]

An executive order, no matter how much you love it, is still not a law. Simple concept. Hmm, for the past 4 years it sure seemed so but I guess something might have recently changed. ;)

[coffeebean]

It shouldn't be a choice indoors. And it would be a much better country if there was more of a sense of the common good.

I wholeheartedly agree that there should be no choice when it comes to wearing masks indoors. INDOORS is when it is most important, especially when social distancing is not guaranteed. Our discussion has been about wearing masks OUTDOORS at the mail centers.

[stanley]

I won't be going back any time soon because people don't seem to understand the concept of social distancing.

Your choice............

[stanley]

So, if the president changes the "law", we become subject to that law.

' News flash...............the President cannot make or change law.
Government 101

[pcacace]

This might be off topic- who is going to enforce the mask wearing on Federal property?

[Swoop]

“England is MANDATING a SEVERE lockdown and it has NOT STOPPED this NEW variant. So, "sport fans" if you do NOT want a SEVERE lockdown with no nightly square entertainment and no golfing for eagles, then logic says you should moderate your behavior and do NOT even ever question what the medical experts say”

Interesting. You point out that England has imposed SEVERE lockdowns and they are not working. So your solution would be to implement SEVERE lockdowns here...
What do they say about doing the same thing and expecting different results...

[golfing eagles]

This might be off topic- who is going to enforce the mask wearing on Federal property?

In Yellowstone National Park it will probably be Yogi and Boo-boo:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[retiredguy123]

In Yellowstone National Park it will probably be Yogi and Boo-boo:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
I think they live at Jellystone, not Yellowstone.

[Neils]

I am not wearing a mask to get my freaking mail.

Your neighbors thank you

[Love2Swim]

Its the usual mask vs no mask debate. Most people with common sense who care about others will wear a mask for the 2 minutes it takes to pick up the mail. As far as the person working inside the postal station, while they are in there, if by themselves sorting mail, whatever, it makes sense they don't need to wear a mask. If someone knocks on the door and they have to help out a customer, for example, they should put a mask on. With the new federal guidelines in place, I think that would make it mandatory for employees to wear a mask when dealing with customers. The bottom line is we are trying as a nation to contain the virus. Masks are PROVEN to help in this regard. People can by asymptomatic and still be shedding the virus, which is why it is important to wear the mask to protect others. And wearing the mask gives some protection to you if you are near someone who is shedding the virus. Until everyone is vaccinated, it makes sense to wear a mask. We all know it is a pain in the a$$ to wear the friggin mask, but let's just do it, get vaccinated, and get back to normal. Those of you who don't wear a mask are just prolonging things for the rest of the country. I see people wandering around the Squares, no masks, sitting shoulder to shoulder at the bars, no masks, and think "what does it take to get through to people?"

[coffeebean]

Its the usual mask vs no mask debate. Most people with common sense who care about others will wear a mask for the 2 minutes it takes to pick up the mail. As far as the person working inside the postal station, while they are in there, if by themselves sorting mail, whatever, it makes sense they don't need to wear a mask. If someone knocks on the door and they have to help out a customer, for example, they should put a mask on. With the new federal guidelines in place, I think that would make it mandatory for employees to wear a mask when dealing with customers. The bottom line is we are trying as a nation to contain the virus. Masks are PROVEN to help in this regard. People can by asymptomatic and still be shedding the virus, which is why it is important to wear the mask to protect others. And wearing the mask gives some protection to you if you are near someone who is shedding the virus. Until everyone is vaccinated, it makes sense to wear a mask. We all know it is a pain in the a$$ to wear the friggin mask, but let's just do it, get vaccinated, and get back to normal. Those of you who don't wear a mask are just prolonging things for the rest of the country. I see people wandering around the Squares, no masks, sitting shoulder to shoulder at the bars, no masks, and think "what does it take to get through to people?"
We can say ass. It isn't a forbidden word on this forum.

We have been informed that it takes at at least 10 minutes of close contact without a mask to contract the original form of the virus. Has anyone heard how long it takes with this variant that is much more communicable? Is it 5 minutes? Is it 1 minute? Is it 30 seconds? Just how bad is this variant when it comes to transmission?

[golfing eagles]

We can say ass. It isn't a forbidden word on this forum.

We have been informed that it takes at at least 10 minutes of close contact without a mask to contract the original form of the virus. Has anyone heard how long it takes with this variant that is much more communicable? Is it 5 minutes? Is it 1 minute? Is it 30 seconds? Just how bad is this variant when it comes to transmission?

You will never convince those that worship the mask. Now we're back to "selfish, uncaring, un-American" if you don't wear a mask in a useless scenario, or rather when the maskophiliacs say you should. If I remember correctly, the last group that dictated what to do for another owned plantations.....

[PugMom]

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[Love2Swim]

We can say ass. It isn't a forbidden word on this forum.

We have been informed that it takes at at least 10 minutes of close contact without a mask to contract the original form of the virus. Has anyone heard how long it takes with this variant that is much more communicable? Is it 5 minutes? Is it 1 minute? Is it 30 seconds? Just how bad is this variant when it comes to transmission?

Scientists are studying the virus, but still do not know everything about it. Guidelines were established and changed based on what they do know, and continue to find out.
Back in October the CDC documented cases where the virus was spread with ONE minute of contact. It could be that the virus was spread with multiple encounters of one minute, or that the person with the virus was a super spreader and shedding an awful lot of the virus. So that is another reason masks are recommended. If you are a super spreader, you may not know since you are asymptomatic. Clearly, anyone who cares even a little bit about others, would not take chances and would take precautions, i.e. either stay away from people, or wear a mask when chancing a closer than 6 feet encounter. At the post office, people can walk around the corner and almost run into someone else. So you are not only protecting others, you are protecting yourself. Is that clear enough?

[golfing eagles]

Scientists are studying the virus, but still do not know everything about it. Guidelines were established and changed based on what they do know, and continue to find out.
Back in October the CDC documented cases where the virus was spread with ONE minute of contact. It could be that the virus was spread with multiple encounters of one minute, or that the person with the virus was a super spreader and shedding an awful lot of the virus. So that is another reason masks are recommended. If you are a super spreader, you may not know since you are asymptomatic. Clearly, anyone who cares even a little bit about others, would not take chances and would take precautions, i.e. either stay away from people, or wear a mask when chancing a closer than 6 feet encounter. At the post office, people can walk around the corner and almost run into someone else. So you are not only protecting others, you are protecting yourself. Is that clear enough?

Clear. Erroneous, but clear

[Love2Swim]

Clear. Erroneous, but clear

The only thing that is clear is that some people have no facts to present. The rest of us believe in science.

[golfing eagles]

The only thing that is clear is that some people have no facts to present. The rest of us believe in science.

Sorry that you don't understand "the science", but it is clear that you have some "beliefs"

[Swoop]

The only thing that is clear is that some people have no facts to present. The rest of us believe in science.
Do some actual research and see how many documented cases of the viral transfer occurred outdoors. Look at those countries that have done extensive contact tracing. If you “believe in science” you should really educate yourself on the subject...

[Love2Swim]

Do some actual research and see how many documented cases of the viral transfer occurred outdoors. Look at those countries that have done extensive contact tracing. If you “believe in science” you should really educate yourself on the subject...

I listen to the experts who recommend wearing masks. If you feel comfortable possibly spreading the virus to others by not wearing masks, suit yourself. My conscience would never allow me to do that.

[Love2Swim]

Do some actual research and see how many documented cases of the viral transfer occurred outdoors. Look at those countries that have done extensive contact tracing. If you “believe in science” you should really educate yourself on the subject...

I listen to the experts who recommend wearing masks. If you feel comfortable possibly spreading the virus to others by not wearing masks, suit yourself. My conscience would never allow me to do that. But for the record, look at all the political rallies, motorcycle rallies, etc., in the past year, where people didn't wear masks outdoors. They were documented to be big super spreader events. Presidential rallies alone led to more than 30,000 additional cases and at least 700 additional deaths.

[Bill14564]

I listen to the experts who recommend wearing masks. If you feel comfortable possibly spreading the virus to others by not wearing masks, suit yourself. My conscience would never allow me to do that. But for the record, look at all the political rallies, motorcycle rallies, etc., in the past year, where people didn't wear masks outdoors. They were documented to be big super spreader events. Presidential rallies alone led to more than 30,000 additional cases and at least 700 additional deaths.

One: I don't believe anyone is recommending wearing a mask 24 hours in a day. They recommend wearing masks under certain conditions such as indoors with people not in your family and outdoors where social distancing cannot be maintained. "Social distancing" is usually defined as greater than 6 feet of separation and less than 15 minutes total time less than six feet.

Two: Those were not "documented" "big super-spreader" events, at least not that I was able to find. There were some statistical analysis done which suggested that apparent increases in the number of cases following those events must have been caused by events. Those analysis did not prove anything more than that statistics can amplify biases: they showed what the authors wanted to show and what the readers wanted to believe. In fact, some of the analysis ignored the data showing the increases actually began before the events occurred.

Wearing a mask where a mask might help makes sense. Wearing a mask because it has magical repelling power against cooties is foolish. Demanding others buy into the hysteria is more likely to hurt than to help.

[golfing eagles]

One: I don't believe anyone is recommending wearing a mask 24 hours in a day. They recommend wearing masks under certain conditions such as indoors with people not in your family and outdoors wear social distancing cannot be maintained. As social distancing is greater than 6 feet of separation and less than 15 minutes total time less than six feet.

Two: Those were not "documented" "big super-spreader" events, at least not that I was able to find. There were some statistical analysis done which suggested that apparent increases in the number of cases following those events must have been caused by events. Those analysis did not prove anything more than that statistics can amplify biases: they showed what the authors wanted to show and what the readers wanted to believe. In fact, some of them ignored the data showing the increases actually began before the events occurred.

Wearing a mask where a mask might help makes sense. Wearing a mask because it has magical repelling power against cooties is foolish. Demanding others buy into the hysteria is more likely to hurt than to help.

Great post, thank you. For a while I was beginning to think I was the lone voice in the wilderness

[golfing eagles]

I listen to the experts who recommend wearing masks. If you feel comfortable possibly spreading the virus to others by not wearing masks, suit yourself. My conscience would never allow me to do that. But for the record, look at all the political rallies, motorcycle rallies, etc., in the past year, where people didn't wear masks outdoors. They were documented to be big super spreader events. Presidential rallies alone led to more than 30,000 additional cases and at least 700 additional deaths.

IF you are in fact listening to the experts, you are not understanding what they are saying.

[Stu from NYC]

IF you are in fact listening to the experts, you are not understanding what they are saying.

People do seem confused. Wish I had a buck for everyone I see wearing a mask while inside a car, golf cart or bicycle.

[Swoop]

I listen to the experts who recommend wearing masks. If you feel comfortable possibly spreading the virus to others by not wearing masks, suit yourself. My conscience would never allow me to do that. But for the record, look at all the political rallies, motorcycle rallies, etc., in the past year, where people didn't wear masks outdoors. They were documented to be big super spreader events. Presidential rallies alone led to more than 30,000 additional cases and at least 700 additional deaths.
You are wrong. Not a single case was directly attributed to those rallies. Those numbers were based on a model assuming a level of spread based on the number of participants. No actual contact tracing was performed. It was not peer reviewed and its validity has been strongly contested.

[Love2Swim]

I don't have time to discuss this subject with posters who are obviously "anti-maskers" who have no data to present just their opinions. You people have made up your minds and no facts or suggestions from the scientists will change them. I for one, hope that the person working in the postal station wears a mask when she opens the door and stands a couple feet away from me to hand me a package. If I go around the corner and bump into someone without a mask on, "I" will be protected because I'll have my mask on. If that person is asymptomatic and shedding virus, I won't have to worry. I listen to scientists not the self-appointed Villages experts or someone who mocked mask wearers then got the virus himself. And fortunately, non-maskers are in the minority in this country. :icon_wink:

[golfing eagles]

I don't have time to discuss this subject with posters who are obviously "anti-maskers" who have no data to present just their opinions. You people have made up your minds and no facts or suggestions from the scientists will change them. I for one, hope that the person working in the postal station wears a mask when she opens the door and stands a couple feet away from me to hand me a package. If I go around the corner and bump into someone without a mask on, "I" will be protected because I'll have my mask on. If that person is asymptomatic and shedding virus, I won't have to worry. I listen to scientists not the self-appointed Villages experts or someone who mocked mask wearers then got the virus himself. And fortunately, non-maskers are in the minority in this country. :icon_wink:

Amazing! Just about everything posted has been wrong, multiple people have pointed it out, so now there is no" time to discuss this subject with posters who are obviously "anti-maskers" who have no data to present just their opinions."
Nobody posted that they are "anti-maskers", simply that masks are of value, but only in the appropriate setting.
Some people STILL think they are protected if they have a mask on. If that is your suit of armor, good luck. But I would not advise wading into a crowd that is not wearing THEIR masks. It was repeated about "listening to scientists", but clearly that is with no understanding of their message.

PS: I don't know about the others on this thread, but I am not a "self appointed" expert. The court system of NY state has credentialed me as an expert dozens of times. And your credentials for unsubstantiated opinions are???????


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[loweglor]

It really doesn't matter if they are government property or not, it's just wise and considerate to wear masks while the virus is running rampant.

[stanley]

Great post, thank you. For a while I was beginning to think I was the lone voice in the wilderness

You surely are not alone. Some of us are just tired of arguing..These posts go nowhere.

[NachoMama]

I don’t understand the point of this post. We do not need someone to dictate what to do when we all know what is the right thing. When you get out of your car golf cart to get your mail, wear a mask. It’s that simple.

How is it “the right thing” for me to wear my mask when I get off my cart to check my mail?

[Love2Swim]

One: I don't believe anyone is recommending wearing a mask 24 hours in a day. They recommend wearing masks under certain conditions such as indoors with people not in your family and outdoors where social distancing cannot be maintained. "Social distancing" is usually defined as greater than 6 feet of separation and less than 15 minutes total time less than six feet.

Two: Those were not "documented" "big super-spreader" events, at least not that I was able to find. There were some statistical analysis done which suggested that apparent increases in the number of cases following those events must have been caused by events. Those analysis did not prove anything more than that statistics can amplify biases: they showed what the authors wanted to show and what the readers wanted to believe. In fact, some of the analysis ignored the data showing the increases actually began before the events occurred.

Wearing a mask where a mask might help makes sense. Wearing a mask because it has magical repelling power against cooties is foolish. Demanding others buy into the hysteria is more likely to hurt than to help.

The original post was about the post office. If the person working in the post office has to deal with clients, for example handing someone a package when standing less than 6 feet away, it is just common sense for the people involved to be wearing masks. No one has suggested wearing a mask where it is not warranted. I don't understand the the whole mask thing throws some people into an uproar. Its not rocket science. ALL the experts say wear the mask, even at outdoor events, when unable to maintain the 6 feet social distancing guideline. And six feet may not even be enough. Someone else said they could find data regarding super spreader events, and tried to downplay those. I found plenty by doing a 5 second google search. I think some people like to twist the facts to fit their way of thinking. Be it as it may, Fauci says - if you are going to socialize or be near people outdoors, wear the mask.

[golfing eagles]

The original post was about the post office. If the person working in the post office has to deal with clients, for example handing someone a package when standing less than 6 feet away, it is just common sense for the people involved to be wearing masks. No one has suggested wearing a mask where it is not warranted. I don't understand the the whole mask thing throws some people into an uproar. Its not rocket science. ALL the experts say wear the mask, even at outdoor events, when unable to maintain the 6 feet social distancing guideline. And six feet may not even be enough. Someone else said they could find data regarding super spreader events, and tried to downplay those. I found plenty by doing a 5 second google search. I think some people like to twist the facts to fit their way of thinking. Be it as it may, Fauci says - if you are going to socialize or be near people outdoors, wear the mask.

Absolutely agree, that's what we've been saying all along----so what was all the previous nonsense about?

[NachoMama]

Let’s try to separate science from religion for a minute.

Science: Proper, regular, and correct deployment of masks can aid somewhat in slowing the spread.

Religion: Wearing a mask When you’re in the car alone, on the golf cart, riding a bicycle, or picking up your mail at an outside box when you’re not going to be within 6 feet of anyone else falls under the broad category of religious observation.

If you wear your mask when you can’t adequately social distance, then you are following the science as we know it at this moment.

But if you wear a mask in those unnecessary moments, your relationship to science is no more sound and secure and then if you were a member of an undiscovered tribe in the Amazon caring around your vanquished enemy’s index finger to ward off the angry Covid gods.

[NachoMama]

The original post was about the post office. If the person working in the post office has to deal with clients, for example handing someone a package when standing less than 6 feet away, it is just common sense for the people involved to be wearing masks. No one has suggested wearing a mask where it is not warranted. I don't understand the the whole mask thing throws some people into an uproar. Its not rocket science. ALL the experts say wear the mask, even at outdoor events, when unable to maintain the 6 feet social distancing guideline. And six feet may not even be enough. Someone else said they could find data regarding super spreader events, and tried to downplay those. I found plenty by doing a 5 second google search. I think some people like to twist the facts to fit their way of thinking. Be it as it may, Fauci says - if you are going to socialize or be near people outdoors, wear the mask.

The original post was about the unmanned outside postal stations in our respective Villages.

[coffeebean]

The original post was about the post office. If the person working in the post office has to deal with clients, for example handing someone a package when standing less than 6 feet away, it is just common sense for the people involved to be wearing masks. No one has suggested wearing a mask where it is not warranted. I don't understand the the whole mask thing throws some people into an uproar. Its not rocket science. ALL the experts say wear the mask, even at outdoor events, when unable to maintain the 6 feet social distancing guideline. And six feet may not even be enough. Someone else said they could find data regarding super spreader events, and tried to downplay those. I found plenty by doing a 5 second google search. I think some people like to twist the facts to fit their way of thinking. Be it as it may, Fauci says - if you are going to socialize or be near people outdoors, wear the mask.

I did not take it that way. I took the OP to mean our mail centers that are OUTDOORS. The US Post Office is INDOORS so of course everyone should be masked all the time. There is no question about that.

Our mail center that is OUTDOORS is not a place where I don my mask for the 15-20 seconds it takes for me to get out of my car/cart and empty my mail box and get beck into the car/cart all with having at least 10 feet between me and the next person. I do not stop to chat without a mask on. I step aside, out of the way, run down the block screaming like a banchee if someone gets near me. (a bit of hyperbole there, LOL.) I hope you understand my point of view even though you will continue to put that mask on for however long it takes you to empty your mailbox at the mail center.

[Byte1]

I listen to the experts who recommend wearing masks. If you feel comfortable possibly spreading the virus to others by not wearing masks, suit yourself. My conscience would never allow me to do that. But for the record, look at all the political rallies, motorcycle rallies, etc., in the past year, where people didn't wear masks outdoors. They were documented to be big super spreader events. Presidential rallies alone led to more than 30,000 additional cases and at least 700 additional deaths.

Interesting. None resulted from the one here at the Polo field.

[Byte1]

I listen to the experts who recommend wearing masks. If you feel comfortable possibly spreading the virus to others by not wearing masks, suit yourself. My conscience would never allow me to do that.

It's YOUR responsibility to protect yourself, not my job to take care of you. I do not have the virus, therefore "science" says I won't pass it on. If I had it, then I would have passed it on to my spouse, and I have not. Do not presume to think that everyone but you has the virus. If you are scared, then protect yourself. I wear my mask when I think that I might need it to protect my spouse when I go out and about. I do not worry about contracting the virus myself, as I am in better shape than almost everyone else that I know that have survived the infection. So, if you think that I am being selfish, oh well. As far as I am concerned, the virus needs to run rampant so that everyone that can survive it will and build immunity. If some die, oh well. Folks also die from the flu, cancer, heart disease, accidents and murder. If we lived forever, we would soon run out of natural resources, in my opinion.
So mask shaming may work on some, but those that use that tactic in fear are just making themselves appear weak. So, the only influence on my wearing a mask is my spouses welfare, not anyone else's.

Oh, and to stay on subject.....NO I have never worn a mask to pick up my mail.

[Moderator]

This poor horse has been beat enough.

Thread Closed.

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