Price gouging.

[camaguey48]

There are business entities that are gouging their customers, especially when it comes to ammunition. The prices have more than doubled in a period of six weeks.
This is a sensitive subject, but please be civil with the comments, if any.

[Bay Kid]

Just the start. They have an agenda.

[Neils]

Why is this sensitive?

People panic buying last 5 months. Fear driving prices

[karostay]

supply and demand ...Unfortunately demand is continuing to soar
One ammunition manufacture stated over 5 million in new gun sales
equates to about 2 boxes ammo per firearm ...do the math

[dewilson58]

There are business entities that are gouging their customers, especially when it comes to ammunition. The prices have more than doubled in a period of six weeks.
This is a sensitive subject, but please be civil with the comments, if any.
Who has ammo???

[Two Bills]

Creating a shortage of anything is always good for higher prices.
Look at toilet rolls, nearly a dollar a sheet in Pubics!:icon_wink:

[retiredguy123]

Creating a shortage of anything is always good for higher prices.
Look at toilet rolls, nearly a dollar a sheet in Pubics!:icon_wink:
Wow. I hope you mean a dollar a roll.

[John41]

There are business entities that are gouging their customers, especially when it comes to ammunition. The prices have more than doubled in a period of six weeks.
This is a sensitive subject, but please be civil with the comments, if any.

22 ammo has had wild swings in availability it pays to stock up when available. I have a bunch at 3 cents per round but have seen it as high as 12 cents. If you use their range the owner has some reserved for customers. And it helps to get on mailing lists from dealers.

[gatorbill1]

Don't shoot the messenger

[graciegirl]

Who has ammo???

Not me. And I voted for whatchamacallit that didn't win. I don't need any. The Villages is safe. Folks in Ohio went shootin' for rabbits sometimes. I don't care for any. Y'all go on, it's fine if you want one. I still have my Dale Evans Holsters though.

[vintageogauge]

This is just the start of high prices. Try to find a 2021 full size GM, Ford, or Chevy passenger van for sale. There are none and when they finally become available the backlog of buyers will be willing to pay sticker price or more.

[graciegirl]

This is just the start of high prices. Try to find a 2021 full size GM, Ford, or Chevy passenger van for sale. There are none and when they finally become available the backlog of buyers will be willing to pay sticker price or more.

Not to mention GAS prices. Whoooeeeee. Need someone to take a course in economics. But "they" are young, most of them....just charge it. Not the same as cash.

[Aces4]

Not to mention GAS prices. Whoooeeeee. Need someone to take a course in economics. But "they" are young, most of them....just charge it. Not the same as cash.

Yup, gas is shooting up but it’s going to be even worse for insulin users.:ohdear:

[Stu from NYC]

And the so called journalists will continue to say all is well

[Stu from NYC]

Thinking of buying some lead and making my own

[John_W]

There are business entities that are gouging their customers, especially when it comes to ammunition. The prices have more than doubled in a period of six weeks.


Trying to find .22 ammo about 2012 to 2015 was the same way, either very expensive or in most cases it just wasn't available. I bought a Smith & Weson MP 15/22 in 2012 pictured below. I bought a box of 500 Federal .22 rounds at Walmart for $20. Then in Dec 2012 was terrible school shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Connecticut.

In 2013 I went to all 3 Walmarts in the area and .22s weren't priced high, they just didn't have any and it was like that for about 3 to 5 years or more. I joined the Smith & Wesson message board and this was happening all around the country. I found through that site places that had it online and ordered ammo through the internet. It's only been a year or two now that you can find it in the stores, and now it about $20 for 325 instead 500 rounds.

Instead of spending money on ammo or going to the range, I ended up customizing my rifle. Kind of overdid for a 22, but it looks cool.

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34448691_1027117040786161_5914608671731482624_o.jp g?_nc_cat=103&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=F80HEJwdjRoAX-SDWz3&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=b9f3f4dabc1a16fa8eec2672a3ec2df3&oe=6032B01E

[stanley]

Thinking of buying some lead and making my own

Good luck with that and getting the other components.......casings....powder.......primers.. ...

[Dana1963]

I just prepared my Dehydrator in case we resort to cannibalism! .. The south side is for harvesting those younger ones..Is China still manufacturing our Ammo ?
China is manufacturing just about everything never changed just shop WalMart, Costco, Sam’s, BJ’s.

[Kenswing]

Anyone that doesn't already have a good supply of ammo either shoots way too much or is a p-poor planner.

[dewilson58]

Anyone that doesn't already have a good supply of ammo either shoots way too much or is a p-poor planner.


Me = p-poor planning............was looking to purchase a different caliper as a second CC, but no use buying if I can find the projectiles. :shocked:

[John41]

Trying to find .22 ammo about 2012 to 2015 was the same way, either very expensive or in most cases it just wasn't available. I bought a Smith & Weson MP 15/22 in 2012 pictured below. I bought a box of 500 Federal .22 rounds at Walmart for $20. Then in Dec 2012 was terrible school shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Connecticut.

In 2013 I went to all 3 Walmarts in the area and .22s weren't priced high, they just didn't have any and it was like that for about 3 to 5 years or more. I joined the Smith & Wesson message board and this was happening all around the country. I found through that site places that had it online and ordered ammo through the internet. It's only been a year or two now that you can find it in the stores, and now it about $20 for 325 instead 500 rounds.

Instead of spending money on ammo or going to the range, I ended up customizing my rifle. Kind of overdid for a 22, but it looks cool.

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34448691_1027117040786161_5914608671731482624_o.jp g?_nc_cat=103&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=F80HEJwdjRoAX-SDWz3&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=b9f3f4dabc1a16fa8eec2672a3ec2df3&oe=6032B01E

That is an awesome 22.

[justjim]

Creating a shortage of anything is always good for higher prices.
Look at toilet rolls, nearly a dollar a sheet in Pubics!:icon_wink:

Nice satire... it’s all about supply and demand. Many times it’s very temporary and just a matter of getting it from the manufacturer to the customer through the wholesale distribution system. Or in the case of gasoline getting the product through the pipelines to the refineries to the customers. Most shortages are temporary and this one is no different.

[Karadad]

7 million new gun owners in 2020. That is part of the reason for ammo shortage. Another factor is Covid 19; this disrupted the manufacturing supply chain. I don't see ammo prices or availablity issues being resolved for "awhile".

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I have seen no increase in price or reduction in supply of arrows for longbows or compound bows. I don't use a crossbow so I haven't checked for bolts but I imagine those are "business as usual."

The price for river rocks (used in slingshots) is still low, and small stones (bigger than river rocks) for slings are still free from your back yard.

[Kenswing]

I have seen no increase in price or reduction in supply of arrows for longbows or compound bows. I don't use a crossbow so I haven't checked for bolts but I imagine those are "business as usual."

The price for river rocks (used in slingshots) is still low, and small stones (bigger than river rocks) for slings are still free from your back yard.
We're starting to go through all our stuff and getting rid of what we don't want to move to Florida. Yesterday I just happened to come across a Barnett crossbow. Want me to bring it with us for you? It even still has 3 bolts in the quiver.

[Rango]

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[John_W]

That is an awesome 22.


Thanks! Here is the right side, besides the scope and the laser, I had a red dot sight mounted cantilever style. You can also see the light under the front, there was two pressure pads on the left side held on by velcro, one for the light and one for laser. Also had the quick detachable sling and on the stock an ammo pouch for one magazine. I think I added every option I could find. There is a tripod which is removed in the top photo and then goes on easily in the bottom photo, you can see the flashlight better in the bottom photo.

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/141285984_1848879351943255_38555587160082552_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=KyOpqQN1W8UAX-KxsLC&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=6c212456ae396fe73e9ee53c968cae93&oe=603027CE

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[John41]

Thanks! Here is the right side, besides the scope and the laser, I had a red dot sight mounted cantilever style. You can also see the light under the front, there was two pressure pads on the left side held on by velcro, one for the light and one for laser. Also had the quick detachable sling and on the stock an ammo pouch for one magazine. I think I added every option I could find. There is a tripod which is removed in the top photo and then goes on easily in the bottom photo, you can see the flashlight better in the bottom photo.

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/141285984_1848879351943255_38555587160082552_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=KyOpqQN1W8UAX-KxsLC&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=6c212456ae396fe73e9ee53c968cae93&oe=603027CE

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The tripod looks good. Looks like you might have added a suppressor. Was your barrel threaded for a suppressor and did you add one? Great choice of optics too. Have you fired it in this configuration? Curious what brands of accessories you used.

[tvbound]

Gun ownership in America, in three charts — Quartz (/1095899/gun-ownership-in-america-in-three-charts/)


Three percent of the population own half of the civilian guns in the US. It stands to reason, that they're the ones buying most of the ammo also.

[Number 10 GI]

Thinking of buying some lead and making my own

Powder, brass and bullets are available but primers are no where to be found.

[Stu from NYC]

Powder, brass and bullets are available but primers are no where to be found.

OK will just have to make my own. Anyone have a good recipe?

[Stu from NYC]

We're starting to go through all our stuff and getting rid of what we don't want to move to Florida. Yesterday I just happened to come across a Barnett crossbow. Want me to bring it with us for you? It even still has 3 bolts in the quiver.

Well if you had four bolts _____.

[Gpsma]

Powder, brass and bullets are available but primers are no where to be found.

Yes...thats the bottleneck. No primers to be found. If you want to load 9 mm...can always use small rifle primers instead of small pistol primers.

[Malsua]

I stocked up on Ammo after the first big hit in 2009.

Now that I'm finally moving to TV permanently, I wanted to unload some of it simply because of weight and space.

I sold 1800rnds of 9mm at 50 cents a round to the local gun store who sold it the next day for 55 cents a round and asked if I had any more. The answer is I do, but not for sale.

I also sold a half a dozen 325rnd automach .22lr for $30 each. I paid $8.

It's insane, but I don't consider it gouging. No point to just get rid of it at what I paid for it, I'll just haul it all south.

I have probably 500rnds of 7.62x54R corrosive I'd like to move, too. I sold a couple spam cans of that already too but this is just 20rnd boxes.

That's the thing about "gouging". It works. It loosens up supply that is not being used, it motivates suppliers to source alternatives and prevents people from overbuying. When I bought all my ammo, it was all on sale and clearly not constrained it any fashion.

It's like the whole thing when it comes to hurricanes. Gas should rise, plywood should rise. Otherwise some people will buy twice as much as they need and other people will get nothing.

When Sandy shut down all the gas stations in Northern NJ, all the gas stations that were next to the affected areas immediately went dry, even after deliveries until they raised their prices. You could drive further to save a few bucks. It also encourages the government to loosen restrictions.

[John_W]

The tripod looks good. Looks like you might have added a suppressor. Was your barrel threaded for a suppressor and did you add one? Great choice of optics too. Have you fired it in this configuration? Curious what brands of accessories you used.

If comes with a sort of flash suppressor. Here's how it looks when new with no accessories.

http://www.midamericaarms.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/FB_MP-15-22.png

Some will add a noise suppressor, I haven't looked into that, you might have to change the barrel. It's a 22, so it's not that loud.

https://tactical22.net/sw/MP15-22.jpg

The scope was a UTG Bug Buster Close Quarters scope. It's not expensive, was about $79, that's been a few years now so it might have gone up, bought it on Amazon. A lot of the stuff is Magpul or LaRue Tactical, they both make accessories for AR rifles. Bought some of it from Amazon and some from Cheaper than Dirt. Yes, I've fired it and zeroed the scope, I've not fired it since I added the laser. The Red Dot is a Bushnell TRS-25, it was less than $100. You can still add more, collapsible or folding stocks, the stock that comes with the rifle can be adjusted in and out about 4 inches. Trigger upgrades are popular, all kinds of tripods and bipods. The best place to find out all about the S&W MP 15 or 15/22 is on their message board.

Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 (http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-15-22/)


Guns Deals | Ammo | Firearm Parts - Cheaper Than Dirt (https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/)

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[John41]

If comes with a sort of flash suppressor. Here's how it looks when new with no accessories.

http://www.midamericaarms.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/FB_MP-15-22.png

Some will add a noise suppressor, I haven't looked into that, you might have to change the barrel. It's a 22, so it's not that loud.

https://tactical22.net/sw/MP15-22.jpg

The scope was a UTG Bug Buster Close Quarters scope. It's not expensive, was about $79, that's been a few years now so it might have gone up, bought it on Amazon. A lot of the stuff is Magpul or LaRue Tactical, they both make accessories for AR rifles. Bought some of it from Amazon and some from Cheaper than Dirt. Yes, I've fired it and zeroed the scope, I've not fired it since I added the laser. The Red Dot is a Bushnell TRS-25, it was less than $100. You can still add more, collapsible or folding stocks, the stock that comes with the rifle can be adjusted in and out about 4 inches. Trigger upgrades are popular, all kinds of tripods and bipods. The best place to find out all about the S&W MP 15 or 15/22 is on their message board.

Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 (http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-15-22/)


Guns Deals | Ammo | Firearm Parts - Cheaper Than Dirt (https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/)

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Thanks for the info and the photo how it looks out of the box when new. Very cool mods. Will check out the S&W forum.

[camaguey48]

Why is this sensitive?

People panic buying last 5 months. Fear driving prices
Sensitive to some, not to me.

[bilcon]

Who has ammo???

Shooters World

[bilcon]

I have seen no increase in price or reduction in supply of arrows for longbows or compound bows. I don't use a crossbow so I haven't checked for bolts but I imagine those are "business as usual."

The price for river rocks (used in slingshots) is still low, and small stones (bigger than river rocks) for slings are still free from your back yard.

How far does an arrow go?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Not to mention GAS prices. Whoooeeeee. Need someone to take a course in economics. But "they" are young, most of them....just charge it. Not the same as cash.

When gasoline prices rise, it affects the price of everything. Every product sold in this country is at one time or another transported by a vehicle powered by gasoline, diesel or jet fuel. The rising cost of fuel will eventually be tacked on to the price of the products. It will also affect the prices of many services as well as they are also dependent on oil prices. Bus fares, taxi fares, the cost of boat and plane transportation as well a delivery services will also go up.

[Ricky Dale]

Along with added expense to heat homes and we will start to see inflation, that will be the start "to the end" of the pre covid economic boom we experienced for the prior three years.

[dhdallas]

When it comes to ammo & firearms "too much is never enough" ...also bacon, porn and beer!

[DeanFL]

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picture of our home-defense below. also a good supply of ammo, unless we make soup.

Actually, if there's an "uprising" around the house area - I wouldn't call 911. I have on speed-dial all the close neighbors that I know who are 'armed up'. We have them on retainer. We also have pepper sprays inside the car in the event of "uprisings".
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[Stu from NYC]

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picture of our home-defense below. also a good supply of ammo, unless we make soup.

Actually, if there's an "uprising" around the house area - I wouldn't call 911. I have on speed-dial all the close neighbors that I know who are 'armed up'. We have them on retainer. We also have pepper sprays inside the car in the event of "uprisings".
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Do not believe there were any kids in Brooklyn in the 60's who were not armed with pea shooters.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

We're starting to go through all our stuff and getting rid of what we don't want to move to Florida. Yesterday I just happened to come across a Barnett crossbow. Want me to bring it with us for you? It even still has 3 bolts in the quiver.

That's very sweet of you but I don't use a crossbow. I use a recurve.

And just as an FYI to crossbow fans: they are absolutely forbidden on the archery ranges in the Villages.

[Two Bills]

That's very sweet of you but I don't use a crossbow. I use a recurve.

And just as an FYI to crossbow fans: they are absolutely forbidden on the archery ranges in the Villages.

Untill an Act of 1845, the longbow was still supposed to be practised weekly by all men in England.
Just in case the French and their diddy crossbows got uppity again!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

How far does an arrow go?

Mine? When I'm actually aiming at a target, and miss? Around 45-50 yards.

If I ever tried to intentionally shoot as far as it could go, it'd probably be well over 80 yards somewhere into the parking lot behind the range. But I'd get kicked out of the club if I did that, and permanently forbidden to ever shoot at the range again. So I won't do that :)

When I aim, and hit the target? 40 yards, because that's where the target is.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Do not believe there were any kids in Brooklyn in the 60's who were not armed with pea shooters.

We didn't have pea shooters. Some of us had BB guns (I still have shrapnel under my shoulder blade to show for it), and some of us used straws and wadded paper (spitballs). My weapon of choice was a slingshot.

[John_W]

Even quieter than a bow & arrow and very cheap to operate. Pellets and CO2 cartridges are all that it takes and you can shoot it in your backyard. Here's a Crossman 1377 I had custom built by factory on their website about 2013.

Air Rifles | Crosman Airguns, BB Guns, Pellet Guns (https://www.crosman.com/airguns/air-rifles/?caliber=.177)

It was Limited Edition, so I don't believe you can order one anymore, but I've seen 1377s on the internet. If you check their website they might have something else you can custom build. You chose the stock design, which I picked camo, there was black and brown. The length of the barrel was 3 lengths, I chose the longest for accuracy. The color of the barrel tip and trigger, there was gold, silver and black The Caliber either .177 or .22 caliber, I chose .177 because the pellet ranges in TV do allow .22 pellet guns. I added the sling and UTG scope after market, it's a fixed range scope not a zoom like on my S&W MP 15/22 rifle. The rifle was fairly cheap, about $125, and it's pretty accurate at 25 yards.

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[Stu from NYC]

We didn't have pea shooters. Some of us had BB guns (I still have shrapnel under my shoulder blade to show for it), and some of us used straws and wadded paper (spitballs). My weapon of choice was a slingshot.

Even more fun than a peashooter was a carpet gun. Bit of a misnomer as we used linoleum pieces.

[Freehiker]

I have stopped shooting due to the shortage. I’ve shot off my discretionary rounds and am down to my reserve supply that I won’t use until the shortage ends and I can load up again.

[Bay Kid]

I still have some 22 ammo that has a price tag, price faded, from GEX. Now that is old. Still good?

[Malsua]

I still have some 22 ammo that has a price tag, price faded, from GEX. Now that is old. Still good?

Ammunition that has been stored in a normal environment has no real shelf life.

I have some .308 that was manufactured in the early 70s that fires without issue.

I have some 7.62x25 tokarev that was manufactured in the 50s that fires without issue.

I have some .22lr from the 80s that I'm still shooting.

Moisture is the enemy. As long as it's not been in a wet basement for 20 years, it's fine.

[valuemkt]

A close friend of mine has been buying and selling rifles and shotguns for 50 years. He attends gun shows up and down the east coast. The prices have gone through the roof in the past year, as the lines to get into the shows are filled with people that have never owned guns aching to get one for "protection". The gun shows used to be filled with ammo, now not so much. With demand like that, no surprise that there is a shortage of ammunition.

[jblum315]

Wow. I hope you mean a dollar a roll.
Maybe you meant Publix, not Publics