Just be prepared for the final wave as vaccine distributions are happening

[CoachKandSportsguy]

German hospital under quarantine over more infections coronavirus variant | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-variant-idUSKBN29S0KQ)

The Ireland Event | Epsilon Theory (https://www.epsilontheory.com/the-ireland-event/)
The Ireland Event | Epsilon Theory (https://www.epsilontheory.com/the-ireland-event-2/)

The B117 variant might cause the big shutdown, as its thought to be 50% more infectious with the same hospitalization rate, might just finally overwhelm the healthcare system.

[JohnN]

I drove by the LSL square yesterday afternoon and the bars were jam-packed.
No masks, no social distancing. The virus has not yet peaked around here.

[billethkid]

What is seen in the squares has been going on for months.
Maybe we have already peaked and the numbers we see today represent...mask or not...social distancing or not...vaccine or not...life style...like it or not.

What we see on the squares represents what percent of the total villages residents?

What percent of residents are still not circulating?

If there was a way to calculate the "active" population....discount the inactive numbers.....then all the new cases, deaths etc as a percent of the active would show much higher more real rates.

[Altavia]

I drove by the LSL square yesterday afternoon and the bars were jam-packed.
No masks, no social distancing. The virus has not yet peaked around here.

Sumter peaked early January...

VACCINE - COVID-19 in Florida (Dr. Jason Salemi) (https://covid19florida.mystrikingly.com/vaccine)

[Stu from NYC]

I drove by the LSL square yesterday afternoon and the bars were jam-packed.
No masks, no social distancing. The virus has not yet peaked around here.

Just do not understand these people

[jblum315]

They don’t know how to get drunk at home

[Bill14564]

Just do not understand these people

The people who patronize local businesses and help to keep others employed during Covid or the people who drive around trying to find something to criticize?

[Stu from NYC]

[QzUOTE=Stu from NYC;1892238]Just do not understand these people

The people who patronize local businesses and help to keep others employed during Covid or the people who drive around trying to find something to criticize?[/QUOTE]

Standing shoulder to shoulder with people you do not know is rather foolish right now not to mention life threatening.

We do go to restaurants and do takeout regularly but still socially distance ourselves with folks we do not know

[Byte1]

The people who patronize local businesses and help to keep others employed during Covid or the people who drive around trying to find something to criticize?

Standing shoulder to shoulder with people you do not know is rather foolish right now not to mention life threatening.

We do go to restaurants and do takeout regularly but still socially distance ourselves with folks we do not know

Everyone has set their limit as to how much or little they will do to protect themselves from the "mysterious demon virus." I know some folks that will NOT frequent a restaurant at all and have not been out to eat since this started. And there are some folks (like myself :icon_wink:) that think they are invulnerable because they NEVER get sick. Some folks get their groceries delivered or have the order put in their vehicles, curbside. I also did that in the beginning, but now enjoy(?) shopping inside where I can inspect the items I might purchase. Because I have been aware of the stats, witness reports, and conjecture in the past year and have moderated my behavior according to my sense of threat.
I do not harangue those that do not agree with my opinion, because I do not wish anyone ill will. I give only my reasoning for my actions and do not insist that others act in unison to my practice. If I thought that I was dangerous to anyone else, I would modify my behavior to correct any realistic threat.
That said, I do not care if hundreds or thousands of others enjoy their lives in bars or dancing at the village square. It's no sweat off my back and they are no obvious threat to me or mine. I believe that mountain climbing is dangerous so I do not do it. But, I do not care if others enjoy climbing about large formings of granite.

Live and let die, is an interesting motto worth exploring...:pray:

[Stu from NYC]

Everyone has set their limit as to how much or little they will do to protect themselves from the "mysterious demon virus." I know some folks that will NOT frequent a restaurant at all and have not been out to eat since this started. And there are some folks (like myself :icon_wink:) that think they are invulnerable because they NEVER get sick. Some folks get their groceries delivered or have the order put in their vehicles, curbside. I also did that in the beginning, but now enjoy(?) shopping inside where I can inspect the items I might purchase. Because I have been aware of the stats, witness reports, and conjecture in the past year and have moderated my behavior according to my sense of threat.
I do not harangue those that do not agree with my opinion, because I do not wish anyone ill will. I give only my reasoning for my actions and do not insist that others act in unison to my practice. If I thought that I was dangerous to anyone else, I would modify my behavior to correct any realistic threat.
That said, I do not care if hundreds or thousands of others enjoy their lives in bars or dancing at the village square. It's no sweat off my back and they are no obvious threat to me or mine. I believe that mountain climbing is dangerous so I do not do it. But, I do not care if others enjoy climbing about large formings of granite.

Live and let die, is an interesting motto worth exploring...:pray:

I do not confront people just avoid those that we think are playing safely.

The problem with your reasoning is the more people who do not take precautions the more cases we get and the longer this goes on.

[asianthree]

I do not confront people just avoid those that we think are playing safely.

The problem with your reasoning is the more people who do not take precautions the more cases we get and the longer this goes on.

Or down the road they find the variant of Covid strain changes, therefore it will continue for everyone’s life time. Like The multitude of flu strains, the vaccine, doesn’t work on many.
Since My entire family, including myself went to a hospital exposed everyday, never had fear of the end result. Not only exposed to patients, but coworkers, sometimes masks were worn for multiple days, becoming ineffective, sometimes masks just weren’t available. And yet here I am, as well as my entire family, still getting up everyday, with no fear, of what we can’t control.
Then again if it’s my time, I have no control of that either. I just live my life like tomorrow is not guarantee

[RaunchyRich]

I drove by the LSL square yesterday afternoon and the bars were jam-packed.
No masks, no social distancing. The virus has not yet peaked around here.
Maybe they take Chances because they are about to run out of money!

[Velvet]

Or down the road they find the variant of Covid strain changes, therefore it will continue for everyone’s life time. Like The multitude of flu strains, the vaccine, doesn’t work on many.
Since My entire family, including myself went to a hospital exposed everyday, never had fear of the end result. Not only exposed to patients, but coworkers, sometimes masks were worn for multiple days, becoming ineffective, sometimes masks just weren’t available. And yet here I am, as well as my entire family, still getting up everyday, with no fear, of what we can’t control.
Then again if it’s my time, I have no control of that either. I just live my life like tomorrow is not guarantee

That is beautiful. I am myself very cautious especially for my hubby, and very grateful for the courage of those who contribute so much to our lives.

[roob1]

Do you really believe that the people gathering at these bars are there for altruistic reasons?

The people who patronize local businesses and help to keep others employed during Covid or the people who drive around trying to find something to criticize?

[MSchad]

Or down the road they find the variant of Covid strain changes, therefore it will continue for everyone’s life time. Like The multitude of flu strains, the vaccine, doesn’t work on many.
Since My entire family, including myself went to a hospital exposed everyday, never had fear of the end result. Not only exposed to patients, but coworkers, sometimes masks were worn for multiple days, becoming ineffective, sometimes masks just weren’t available. And yet here I am, as well as my entire family, still getting up everyday, with no fear, of what we can’t control.
Then again if it’s my time, I have no control of that either. I just live my life like tomorrow is not guarantee
Well said.
👍

[FromNY]

Afraid? Cautious? Caring? Protective? Does it matter what others do? You cannot control them. Only have control over yourself. Wear the Mask. Wash your hands. Stay healthy with diet , activities and attitude.
This is not going away and although vaccines will help it does not cure. Maybe many years from now in your great grandkids lifetime Covid will be like Smallpox, Polio, and others gone but not forgotten. Yes it would be nice if the carrier at the bar stayed out of Publix but not going to happen. Maybe , just maybe they will follow the request and mask up when they go to Publix and public places.
Maybe the obituaries should state died with Covid refused to wear mask. Or maybe we should all mind our own bodies and health and learn to deal with the world like it is today. No easy solutions. Try to be Kind. Try to lend a helping hand. Stay safe for yourself and those you care about. Or run red-light. Refuse to yield. Slide through on purpose at the STOP sign. Cheat on your taxes . Throw your cigarettes out the window... Get the picture many humans will not do simple civil actions so if you think they will fight the virus keep dreaming.MANY do and will consider the wellbeing of others and themselves. Those are the ones I choose to associate with. Make your choice and move on. Town Square is a very very small part of the world. The behaviors there are no different then weddings, football games, etc. Stay safe.

[Eg_cruz]

The people who patronize local businesses and help to keep others employed during Covid or the people who drive around trying to find something to criticize?

Standing shoulder to shoulder with people you do not know is rather foolish right now not to mention life threatening.

We do go to restaurants and do takeout regularly but still socially distance ourselves with folks we do not know[/QUOTE]
Agree 100%
I watch Covid spread to 18 people because 1 person was exposed she then gave it to 6, one person from the 6 gave it to 2, then 3 more, one of the 3 gave it to 4, then 2 more. Three got pretty sick and 1 is in ICU in Ocala. All from one not knowing she was exposed in time to stop being around family before giving it to them.
People this is a topical spread don’t kid yourself that it not.

[Skunky1]

Be prepared for coronavirus to be with us forever.

[Skunky1]

The virus does not move. People move the virus.

[Two Bills]

A very popular line dancing class has been hit hard recently.

[Girlcopper]

The people who patronize local businesses and help to keep others employed during Covid or the people who drive around trying to find something to criticize?

Standing shoulder to shoulder with people you do not know is rather foolish right now not to mention life threatening.

We do go to restaurants and do takeout regularly but still socially distance ourselves with folks we do not know[/QUOTE]
Thats right. It is foolish but the world is packed with half wits. Why care? Patronize the businesses that follow the distancing/mask rules, drive by the ones that dont and live your life safely. As the nitwits die off, more houses for sale for us!

[G.R.I.T.S.]

I drove by the LSL square yesterday afternoon and the bars were jam-packed.
No masks, no social distancing. The virus has not yet peaked around here.

Could it be that these folks have already recovered from the virus? My BIL doesn't wear one since he and his wife tested negative after getting sick with COVID. I'm sure people secretly make judgments.

[Larchap49]

Everyone has set their limit as to how much or little they will do to protect themselves from the "mysterious demon virus." I know some folks that will NOT frequent a restaurant at all and have not been out to eat since this started. And there are some folks (like myself :icon_wink:) that think they are invulnerable because they NEVER get sick. Some folks get their groceries delivered or have the order put in their vehicles, curbside. I also did that in the beginning, but now enjoy(?) shopping inside where I can inspect the items I might purchase. Because I have been aware of the stats, witness reports, and conjecture in the past year and have moderated my behavior according to my sense of threat.
I do not harangue those that do not agree with my opinion, because I do not wish anyone ill will. I give only my reasoning for my actions and do not insist that others act in unison to my practice. If I thought that I was dangerous to anyone else, I would modify my behavior to correct any realistic threat.
That said, I do not care if hundreds or thousands of others enjoy their lives in bars or dancing at the village square. It's no sweat off my back and they are no obvious threat to me or mine. I believe that mountain climbing is dangerous so I do not do it. But, I do not care if others enjoy climbing about large formings of granite.

Live and let die, is an interesting motto worth exploring...:pray:

You exhibit an unusual amount of common sense and wisdom compared to most. I applaud your line of thinking and agree one hundred percent. Thank you and I hope others upon reading it will modify their narrow minded way of thinking that everyone else should follow their example.

[Bay Kid]

Or down the road they find the variant of Covid strain changes, therefore it will continue for everyone’s life time. Like The multitude of flu strains, the vaccine, doesn’t work on many.
Since My entire family, including myself went to a hospital exposed everyday, never had fear of the end result. Not only exposed to patients, but coworkers, sometimes masks were worn for multiple days, becoming ineffective, sometimes masks just weren’t available. And yet here I am, as well as my entire family, still getting up everyday, with no fear, of what we can’t control.
Then again if it’s my time, I have no control of that either. I just live my life like tomorrow is not guarantee

So true. We never know what tomorrow will bring. Enjoy life whenever possible.

[CFrance]

They don’t know how to get drunk at home
That's funny!

[richs631]

Just do not understand these people

If you don’t understand it, Stay Home

[LarLyn]

Or down the road they find the variant of Covid strain changes, therefore it will continue for everyone’s life time. Like The multitude of flu strains, the vaccine, doesn’t work on many.
Since My entire family, including myself went to a hospital exposed everyday, never had fear of the end result. Not only exposed to patients, but coworkers, sometimes masks were worn for multiple days, becoming ineffective, sometimes masks just weren’t available. And yet here I am, as well as my entire family, still getting up everyday, with no fear, of what we can’t control.
Then again if it’s my time, I have no control of that either. I just live my life like tomorrow is not guarantee

Well said....I was a nurse and yes we never knew what to expect when we went to work each day. Took care of all types of patients and I am still here. Enjoy life and live for today.

[Waltdisney4life]

Sell the fear baby!

[Jacob85]

It would be nice if this were an individual decision but it’s not. If you go out and get infected and don’t know, you could infect a large number of people and here they could die due to the vulnerability of the population

[Bill14564]

Do you really believe that the people gathering at these bars are there for altruistic reasons?

I really believe the bar (or restaurant) doesn't care why the people are gathering, their money can be deposited just the same.

I know I have eaten out more and tipped more at my favorite restaurants and bars since the pandemic began; it is my way of doing what little I can to try to help them survive. I don't know what is motivating the people at the squares to patronize those businesses. Yes, maybe a few of them had the same thought that I did and are spending a little more now in hopes that their favorite place will still be there tomorrow.

[Mikee1]

It would be nice if this were an individual decision but it’s not. If you go out and get infected and don’t know, you could infect a large number of people and here they could die due to the vulnerability of the population

Well, for that to happen they must be there as well, so they made a decision to be there..
If you go outside you are taking a risk, period. You cannot and should not expect others to look out for you, that is your job. Act according to your comfort level.
Trying to preach to others is like standing in the rain and wondering why you are getting wet...

[Topspinmo]

Why do you think this will be the final wave?

[Topspinmo]

They don’t know how to get drunk at home

No ——- mongering at home :icon_wink:

[Topspinmo]

Could it be that these folks have already recovered from the virus? My BIL doesn't wear one since he and his wife tested negative after getting sick with COVID. I'm sure people secretly make judgments.


That don’t mean they are not going to spread it. So, they survived or didn’t get sick and hail with rest of us attitude?

[Swoop]

German hospital under quarantine over more infections coronavirus variant | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-variant-idUSKBN29S0KQ)

The Ireland Event | Epsilon Theory (https://www.epsilontheory.com/the-ireland-event/)
The Ireland Event | Epsilon Theory (https://www.epsilontheory.com/the-ireland-event-2/)

The B117 variant might cause the big shutdown, as its thought to be 50% more infectious with the same hospitalization rate, might just finally overwhelm the healthcare system.
When Italy was crushed by Covid, we were told that in two weeks we would be experiencing the same thing. When Florida reopened after our short lockdown, we were told the second wave would be horrific. When the squares reopened we were told that The Villages would be overrun with the virus. And when a rally was held in The Villages we heard it would be a “super spreader” event. Sounds like a cult leader constantly proclaiming the end of the world. Here’s a very simple question. Why have states like Pennsylvania, who have had strict lockdowns and mask mandates since the onset of the virus still faired worse than Florida?

[terrild53]

For the most part, my observation has been that most Villagers were careful when things were shut down early on. Little by little as things opened back up, people have relaxed and are not being as cautious because people are not dropping like flies from Covid. We went to see friends in their band at CF BW in mid Dec because we hadn’t been out anywhere for a very long time. No one wore masks except us (until we had dinner), other people sat 10 to a table, the bar was crowded, inside & out, no “distancing,” people dancing & having a good time. We sat farther away from friends and enjoyed ourselves for a couple hours. A week later we found out that 2 people at one of the packed tables were Covid positive. Their symptoms were not severe enough to he hospitalized but they were sick, mainly respiratory, cough congestion, headache, fatigue. No contact tracing done to my knowledge but another friend informed us about it over a week later! We had PCR testing done the next day and were negative. Then 3 more friends tested positive about 7-10 days later. They had respiratory symptoms as well, more intense than the other people but thankfully for them, not severe enough for hospitalization. We had another Covid test since to confirm our negative status. So, don’t kid yourselves, Covid is out there. Maybe you’ll be lucky like these friends were and have symptoms resembling influenza, but maybe you’ll be one of the unfortunate ones who ends up in the hospital or dead.That’s the scary part; you don’t know which. We are not willing to take the chance again due to underlying health issues. Hopefully we’ll get the vaccine when it is available in Sumter County again and can reduce our risk of contracting the virus. Til then, we choose to he cautious, wear masks, handwashing etc and do things at home, get out to walk, ride bikes etc. That’s our choice. Stay safe people and be smart. This virus is very unpredictable.

[merrymini]

States with the most restrictions seem to have the highest numbers.
People do not drop like flies from this disease.
Just because you “know” someone does not mean you are safe.
Most people who get the virus said they wore their masks most or all of the time.
The statistics cannot be relied upon, everybody has an axe to grind.
We are being played.

[jimjamuser]

The people who patronize local businesses and help to keep others employed during Covid or the people who drive around trying to find something to criticize?
Logic would say that we need to concentrate on our problems and control CV BEFORE we can get the economy back to normal. This thread began with what a science-based country like Germany is doing about the problem. They have shown more success in dealing with CV than in the US. They are closing down even MORE tightly as a scientific response to the more virulent CV mutation that they are experiencing. The US already has some of this variant and can expect more. Then the South African variant will be coming.

Florida and TV Land have reacted with an unscientific response to CV. It has opened its economy too much. Businesses need to react to this completely new paradigm. For example, restaurants could become takeout and delivery only. There is no reason for continuing the old system of indoor dining. Having a meal outside of your own home is not worth dying yourself and destabilizing society. The same thing applies to The entertainment at the squares and any proposed indoor concerts would be just playing into the hands of the CV monster. Things are no longer the SAME. We must get used to that IN THE SHORT TERM in order to HAVE a future of "back to NORMAL". Businesses MUST evolve to meet the new challenge or go bankrupt! If the average citizen spends their money to support dangerous activities and events they bear the responsibility when hospitals close and chaos takes over society. A dollar spent is a vote for destabilizing America and helping the VIRUS to spread OR giving up some temporary amusements for the return to a REAL healthy America. Stay at home, exercise, entertain yourself, watch TV, and Zoom with your friends and relatives. Do that for the future strength of your country!

[jimjamuser]

Everyone has set their limit as to how much or little they will do to protect themselves from the "mysterious demon virus." I know some folks that will NOT frequent a restaurant at all and have not been out to eat since this started. And there are some folks (like myself :icon_wink:) that think they are invulnerable because they NEVER get sick. Some folks get their groceries delivered or have the order put in their vehicles, curbside. I also did that in the beginning, but now enjoy(?) shopping inside where I can inspect the items I might purchase. Because I have been aware of the stats, witness reports, and conjecture in the past year and have moderated my behavior according to my sense of threat.
I do not harangue those that do not agree with my opinion, because I do not wish anyone ill will. I give only my reasoning for my actions and do not insist that others act in unison to my practice. If I thought that I was dangerous to anyone else, I would modify my behavior to correct any realistic threat.
That said, I do not care if hundreds or thousands of others enjoy their lives in bars or dancing at the village square. It's no sweat off my back and they are no obvious threat to me or mine. I believe that mountain climbing is dangerous so I do not do it. But, I do not care if others enjoy climbing about large formings of granite.

Live and let die, is an interesting motto worth exploring...:pray:
Mountain climbing is WAY less dangerous than dangerous behaviors that SPREAD the CV! If a mountain climber falls he may kill himself or get hurt and affect a FEW rescuers and hospital workers. People way back last March that ignored CV and wandered about society in a"normal manner", which began the SPREAD of this deadly disease eventually caused about a half of a million US citizens to die. That is MY case for which of the 2 are more dangerous - a few people affected by climbing a mountain OR 500,000 DEATHS. The US government should NOT ban mountain climbing - but it should BEGIN a war against the further spread of the old and more deadly new CV! - a war that will require increased sacrifice by ALL US citizens! I rest my case.

It is a war and a battle for the hearts and minds of local citizens, like here in TV Land. Resist the temptation to gather either indoors or outdoors in groups. Resist the squares. As long as you hear the square's music calling out to gather in groups - it will represent a failure of local people and their leadership to understand the severity of continuing to spread this DISEASE. We can and SHOULD personally take steps to defeat this CV monster. Lives depend on it!

[Spalumbos62]

Could it be that these folks have already recovered from the virus? My BIL doesn't wear one since he and his wife tested negative after getting sick with COVID. I'm sure people secretly make judgments.

They are negative right now.

What is bothersome are the ones that don't wear mask or eat out all the time, and socialize....while the rest of us stay home,never eat out or enjoy shopping. But they are able to find a shot and their thought process is ',great, now we can go out more w/o a mask. Cuz we got the shot" and the rest of us stay home, still looking for a slot 🤦*♀️

[Byte1]

I do not confront people just avoid those that we think are playing safely.

The problem with your reasoning is the more people who do not take precautions the more cases we get and the longer this goes on.

Possibly. However, if I mention other instances that are similar in nature such as the flu or the common cold, I imagine that I would be told that I am speaking of something entirely different in nature. I gave my opinion. I am not one to demand others conform to my standard. Remember, there are only so many folks that will or can become infected before we achieve "herd." I have no intention of wearing a mask and gloves for the rest of my life, just because others feel threatened by germs. I imagine that some on here will demand that everyone wear a mask in public during flu season, since it was so popular during the COVID virus. I will compromise right now, but I won't carry on this pretension much longer. Everyone knows that most of the infections originated from home, not out in public. And I have no intention of wearing a mask in my own home. But, I also do not fault those that insist on wearing them in their own home or in their vehicles, etc. I also do not criticize those that are not wearing a mask in the stores where I shop. That is their choice and it won't affect me.
If there is another wave of infections, I choose not to panic or succumb to hysteria. I will accept it and know that it won't last that long. I have no doubt that there are those in power that use and amplify disasters for political gain.

Enjoy your rock climbing and sky diving folks, for tomorrow you may die. :ho:

[Byte1]

Mountain climbing is WAY less dangerous than dangerous behaviors that SPREAD the CV! If a mountain climber falls he may kill himself or get hurt and affect a FEW rescuers and hospital workers. People way back last March that ignored CV and wandered about society in a"normal manner", which began the SPREAD of this deadly disease eventually caused about a half of a million US citizens to die. That is MY case for which of the 2 are more dangerous - a few people affected by climbing a mountain OR 500,000 DEATHS. The US government should NOT ban mountain climbing - but it should BEGIN a war against the further spread of the old and more deadly new CV! - a war that will require increased sacrifice by ALL US citizens! I rest my case.

It is a war and a battle for the hearts and minds of local citizens, like here in TV Land. Resist the temptation to gather either indoors or outdoors in groups. Resist the squares. As long as you hear the square's music calling out to gather in groups - it will represent a failure of local people and their leadership to understand the severity of continuing to spread this DISEASE. We can and SHOULD personally take steps to defeat this CV monster. Lives depend on it!

:1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

[Byte1]

Logic would say that we need to concentrate on our problems and control CV BEFORE we can get the economy back to normal. This thread began with what a science-based country like Germany is doing about the problem. They have shown more success in dealing with CV than in the US. They are closing down even MORE tightly as a scientific response to the more virulent CV mutation that they are experiencing. The US already has some of this variant and can expect more. Then the South African variant will be coming.

Florida and TV Land have reacted with an unscientific response to CV. It has opened its economy too much. Businesses need to react to this completely new paradigm. For example, restaurants could become takeout and delivery only. There is no reason for continuing the old system of indoor dining. Having a meal outside of your own home is not worth dying yourself and destabilizing society. The same thing applies to The entertainment at the squares and any proposed indoor concerts would be just playing into the hands of the CV monster. Things are no longer the SAME. We must get used to that IN THE SHORT TERM in order to HAVE a future of "back to NORMAL". Businesses MUST evolve to meet the new challenge or go bankrupt! If the average citizen spends their money to support dangerous activities and events they bear the responsibility when hospitals close and chaos takes over society. A dollar spent is a vote for destabilizing America and helping the VIRUS to spread OR giving up some temporary amusements for the return to a REAL healthy America. Stay at home, exercise, entertain yourself, watch TV, and Zoom with your friends and relatives. Do that for the future strength of your country!

Easy for some to say when they have a permanent source of income. Not so easy for those that work and live from paycheck to paycheck, to stay home when they get evicted for not paying their bills.

[Stu from NYC]

If you don’t understand it, Stay Home

Just because some people behave foolishly no reason for us to stay home just take simple precautions when we got out.

[jimjamuser]

Afraid? Cautious? Caring? Protective? Does it matter what others do? You cannot control them. Only have control over yourself. Wear the Mask. Wash your hands. Stay healthy with diet , activities and attitude.
This is not going away and although vaccines will help it does not cure. Maybe many years from now in your great grandkids lifetime Covid will be like Smallpox, Polio, and others gone but not forgotten. Yes it would be nice if the carrier at the bar stayed out of Publix but not going to happen. Maybe , just maybe they will follow the request and mask up when they go to Publix and public places.
Maybe the obituaries should state died with Covid refused to wear mask. Or maybe we should all mind our own bodies and health and learn to deal with the world like it is today. No easy solutions. Try to be Kind. Try to lend a helping hand. Stay safe for yourself and those you care about. Or run red-light. Refuse to yield. Slide through on purpose at the STOP sign. Cheat on your taxes . Throw your cigarettes out the window... Get the picture many humans will not do simple civil actions so if you think they will fight the virus keep dreaming.MANY do and will consider the wellbeing of others and themselves. Those are the ones I choose to associate with. Make your choice and move on. Town Square is a very very small part of the world. The behaviors there are no different then weddings, football games, etc. Stay safe.
Germany intends to fight the CV on a NATIONWIDE basis - not an INDIVIDUAL basis. Is America right or is Germany correct?

[Byte1]

Germany intends to fight the CV on a NATIONWIDE basis - not an INDIVIDUAL basis. Is America right or is Germany correct?

Some folks are ALWAYS comparing others to what we do. Some folks are not happy, regardless of the circumstances.
Germany is a very small country with an entirely different political and economic structure. Most folks realize this. Some folks do not need a gov nanny and relish in the Freedom and Liberty that this country allows.
Was it Reagan that said "The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. "

[jimjamuser]

A very popular line dancing class has been hit hard recently.
The class was probably indoors. And it illustrates that when INDIVIDUALS are left to their own devices and decisions, that they will act selfishly and without regard for society and the greater good. CV is a national and worldwide problem that can only be controlled by national and worldwide LEADERSHIP. We can no longer rely on individual RESPONSIBILITY when situations like this prove that it does not exist in every INDIVIDUAL. Government decides what the speed limits should be and that we should wear seat belts. A CV Pandemic is even more important than seat belts. We live in a time that requires cooperation and empathy and not individual stubbornness and shortsightness.

[jimjamuser]

States with the most restrictions seem to have the highest numbers.
People do not drop like flies from this disease.
Just because you “know” someone does not mean you are safe.
Most people who get the virus said they wore their masks most or all of the time.
The statistics cannot be relied upon, everybody has an axe to grind.
We are being played.
Disagree with it all.

[jimjamuser]

Easy for some to say when they have a permanent source of income. Not so easy for those that work and live from paycheck to paycheck, to stay home when they get evicted for not paying their bills.
I explained how businesses could evolve and still stay in business. Most people can work from home. Science can change society to adapt to the new CV environment. ALL life is about adaptation!

[coffeebean]

Standing shoulder to shoulder with people you do not know is rather foolish right now not to mention life threatening.

We do go to restaurants and do takeout regularly but still socially distance ourselves with folks we do not know
Thats right. It is foolish but the world is packed with half wits. Why care? Patronize the businesses that follow the distancing/mask rules, drive by the ones that dont and live your life safely. As the nitwits die off, more houses for sale for us![/QUOTE]
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I said this months ago on this forum and it still holds true today, if not even more.........

Those folks who refuse to social distance when out and about in bars and the squares and other crowd gathering places will just perpetuate this virus. They will continue to give this virus new hosts to breed upon and screw up everything we know in life to be normal. Here are just a few examples of what has not returned to normal and will not as long as there are those who refuse to follow CDC guidelines and offer this virus more hosts to do its vile and deadly deed.......

1) Face to face learning for kids in schools. There is some but not enough.
2) Filling sports stadium seats to full capacity
3) Allowing full capacity in places of worship
4) Dining in restaurants and not have to worry about being too close to another table
5) Going to the theater. Broadway shows comes to mind.
6) Cruising :(
7) Will the Olympics be cancelled???
8) Air travel, train travel, bus travel without having fear.
9) Hospitals not turning away patients because they are at full capacity
10) Doctors and EMTs not having to decide who shall live or die by deciding who receives care and who does not.

I really don't care if you don't protect me by not wearing a mask. What I want those who refuse to follow CDC guidelines to do is to protect life as we knew it. It is everyone's responsibility to do everything they can to mitigate the spread of the virus. That means stay clear of others, do not stand shoulder to shoulder in a bar setting or anywhere there is a crowd. Wear a mask when you can not adequately keep your distance from others. Show some respect for those of us who want to see our world return to normal.These are not only my requests but requests from the experts who are trying to get this pandemic under control.

[coffeebean]

Could it be that these folks have already recovered from the virus? My BIL doesn't wear one since he and his wife tested negative after getting sick with COVID. I'm sure people secretly make judgments.

Immunity after having the virus is not known at this point. It is not safe to think you are immune after having the virus. Sad but this is what I have heard by epidemiologists on TV, Dr, Fauci included.

[coffeebean]

When Italy was crushed by Covid, we were told that in two weeks we would be experiencing the same thing. When Florida reopened after our short lockdown, we were told the second wave would be horrific. When the squares reopened we were told that The Villages would be overrun with the virus. And when a rally was held in The Villages we heard it would be a “super spreader” event. Sounds like a cult leader constantly proclaiming the end of the world. Here’s a very simple question. Why have states like Pennsylvania, who have had strict lockdowns and mask mandates since the onset of the virus still faired worse than Florida?

Florida has a large population of seniors, especially here in The Villages. We are more fearful of the virus and follow CDC guidelines more strictly. There are those few who adamantly go against all guidelines but thankfully, there are more folks here in Florida that do abide by the guidelines. Who knows what happened in Penn. Maybe people gathered in private? Those younger folks feel invisible so who who knows what they did to spread the virus. I've heard of Covid parties where they TRY to get the virus. Crazy. Huh?

[jimjamuser]

Thats right. It is foolish but the world is packed with half wits. Why care? Patronize the businesses that follow the distancing/mask rules, drive by the ones that dont and live your life safely. As the nitwits die off, more houses for sale for us!
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I said this months ago on this forum and it still holds true today, if not even more.........

Those folks who refuse to social distance when out and about in bars and the squares and other crowd gathering places will just perpetuate this virus. They will continue to give this virus new hosts to breed upon and screw up everything we know in life to be normal. Here are just a few examples of what has not returned to normal and will not as long as there are those who refuse to follow CDC guidelines and offer this virus more hosts to do its vile and deadly deed.......

1) Face to face learning for kids in schools. There is some but not enough.
2) Filling sports stadium seats to full capacity
3) Allowing full capacity in places of worship
4) Dining in restaurants and not have to worry about being too close to another table
5) Going to the theater. Broadway shows comes to mind.
6) Cruising :(
7) Will the Olympics be cancelled???
8) Air travel, train travel, bus travel without having fear.
9) Hospitals not turning away patients because they are at full capacity
10) Doctors and EMTs not having to decide who shall live or die by deciding who receives care and who does not.

I really don't care if you don't protect me by not wearing a mask. What I want those who refuse to follow CDC guidelines to do is to protect life as we knew it. It is everyone's responsibility to do everything they can to mitigate the spread of the virus. That means stay clear of others, do not stand shoulder to shoulder in a bar setting or anywhere there is a crowd. Wear a mask when you can not adequately keep your distance from others. Show some respect for those of us who want to see our world return to normal.These are not only my requests but requests from the experts who are trying to get this pandemic under control.[/QUOTE]
I agree, show some respect and empathy!

[jimjamuser]

Immunity after having the virus is not known at this point. It is not safe to think you are immune after having the virus. Sad but this is what I have heard by epidemiologists on TV, Dr, Fauci included.
The vaccine does NOT give a person immunity from CV. Rather, it gives a person a 95% chance of not being hospitalized and having a significantly bad experience there. It makes you immune against death from CV and also a large hospital bill.

[golfing eagles]

The vaccine does NOT give a person immunity from CV. Rather, it gives a person a 95% chance of not being hospitalized and having a significantly bad experience there. It makes you immune against death from CV and also a large hospital bill.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[DeanFL]

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[Love2Swim]

I do not confront people just avoid those that we think are playing safely.

The problem with your reasoning is the more people who do not take precautions the more cases we get and the longer this goes on.

When Italy was crushed by Covid, we were told that in two weeks we would be experiencing the same thing. When Florida reopened after our short lockdown, we were told the second wave would be horrific. When the squares reopened we were told that The Villages would be overrun with the virus. And when a rally was held in The Villages we heard it would be a “super spreader” event. Sounds like a cult leader constantly proclaiming the end of the world. Here’s a very simple question. Why have states like Pennsylvania, who have had strict lockdowns and mask mandates since the onset of the virus still faired worse than Florida?

??? There was a significant rise in cases after the Trump rally, reported in the V News. And Florida is one of the leading states as far as number of Covid infections. The Villages is up to 3400 cases so far, when months ago people didn't think it would even go over a couple of hundred. And that is with a lot of the snowbirds still up north waiting for vaccines there. I suspect one reason we aren't doing worse in The Villages is that most people are wearing masks to stores, etc, and we are able to do a lot of things outside due to the good weather. By the way, Pennsylvania has had 812,000 cases vs. Florida 1,658,000. In other words, Florida has had over twice the cases that Pennsylvania has had.

[PugMom]

i'm just curious as to how long many of you think this needs to go on? next week, next month, permanently?? am very interested, not being snide

[Bucco]

Just an interesting FYI...


“Florida Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis is suggesting the Olympics could happen in Florida in 2021.

Patronis wrote a letter to the International Olympic Committee encouraging them to consider relocating the 2021 Olympics from Tokyo, Japan to the United States of America, and more specifically to Florida.

According to Patronis' office, recent media reports have stated that leaders in Japan have “privately” concluded that they are too concerned about the pandemic for the 2021 Olympics to take place.”

Florida CFO wants 2021 Olympics in the Sunshine State if Japan cancels (https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/state/florida-cfo-wants-2021-olympics-in-the-sunshine-state-if-japan-cancels)

Florida official offers to host Olympics if Tokyo backs out | The Japan Times (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2021/01/26/olympics/florida-olympics-tokyo/)

Florida's financial chief: Move Summer Olympics to state - South Florida Sun-Sentinel (https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-florida-olympics-bid-20210125-zxio27wbbrg3ra3pmzglrbocwu-story.html)

[Bill14564]

??? There was a significant rise in cases after the Trump rally, reported in the V News. And Florida is one of the leading states as far as number of Covid infections. The Villages is up to 3400 cases so far, when months ago people didn't think it would even go over a couple of hundred. And that is with a lot of the snowbirds still up north waiting for vaccines there. I suspect one reason we aren't doing worse in The Villages is that most people are wearing masks to stores, etc, and we are able to do a lot of things outside due to the good weather. By the way, Pennsylvania has had 812,000 cases vs. Florida 1,658,000. In other words, Florida has had over twice the cases that Pennsylvania has had.

And Florida has twice the population that Pennsylvania has so the rate of infections is about the same. That doesn't say much for FL doing better than PA but it certainly isn't doing worse. On the other hand, FL is seeing this infection rate while implementing few (zero?) lockdowns and restrictions. Can the same be said for PA?

What else is the same? Number of deaths. PA has about 21,000 deaths and FL has about 25,000 deaths. So half the population, half the infections, but the same number of deaths in PA as in FL. Not sure PA was a good state to choose for a comparison.

Florida's rate of cases is just a little above median rate according to the WaPo statistics. Again, with minimal restrictions. Considering the number of people coming into the state and possibly bringing the virus with them it is surprising the rate of infection isn't higher. FL is either getting very lucky or they're doing something right.

As far as the increase in cases after the rallies, I'll have to go back and check but the V News reported increases throughout that time period, even before the rallies here. The number of cases was increasing nationwide and FL was not immune to that but the rate of increase in FL was much less than the rate of increase in other places. FL must have been doing something right, even without restrictions and mandates.

There was an editorial in one of the NY papers just recently where the author reported coming to FL and being surprised at the mask compliance. Even without mandates they saw that many in FL were wearing masks when it made sense and often keeping a distance. We're not perfect, we have our share of anti-maskers and people who are terrible at judging how far six feet is, but maybe we're not doing all that bad.

[Two Bills]

The vaccine does NOT give a person immunity from CV. Rather, it gives a person a 95% chance of not being hospitalized and having a significantly bad experience there. It makes you immune against death from CV and also a large hospital bill.

I think you need to look up how vaccine immunity actually works!

[coffeebean]

I think you need to look up how vaccine immunity actually works!

Agree....I recall when the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were initially being developed, there was euphoria in the pharma community when they discovered the virus was "neutralized". This neutralization made the virus inactive and unable to replicate itself. Without that activity going on, humans could not become infected with the virus.

That is my take-away from reading several articles about the mRNA vaccines. Is this correct?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I always pt on a mask when I go inside of a public building. But I do go to the squares without a mask and try to stay six feet away from people. I believe that it's very difficult to catch this virus out doors.

Most of the times I've been to the squares, they are not all that crowded. Shoulder to shoulder is a huge exaggeration. Occasionally, when one of the more popular bands the square will be a bit more crowded and I'll try to find a spot where I can be alone or I'll leave.

One of the things that it perplexing to me is that the states that have the most stringent rules about stating indoors and closing businesses have had much higher infection rates than states like Florida that are open with fewer restrictions. Some say that the reason those states have more stringent rules is that they had more cases. But the number of cases since the closing down of those states and the opening of Florida is lower in Florida.

It seems that all of the steps being taken that are killing businesses and hurting working people are not working.

Some people have such strong belief in certain things that when they don't work, they insist that we aren't doing enough of them. So when we do more and they still don't work, they keep insisting that they are right and we need to do even more. I believe that these people believe so strongly that their idea is right that they refuse to believe facts presented.

Bottom line is that we all have to be careful but within reason. When people can't go to work and can't feed their family or lose their house it can be a devastating as getting this virus. There needs to be a balance and I think that Florida has gotten it right.

[Malsua]

Agree....I recall when the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were initially being developed, there was euphoria in the pharma community when they discovered the virus was "neutralized". This neutralization made the virus inactive and unable to replicate itself. Without that activity going on, humans could not become infected with the virus.

That is my take-away from reading several articles about the mRNA vaccines. Is this correct?

The virus is nothing more than a chain of proteins. It's a snippet of biological code. All that it does is link with your cells and reprogram them to make more of itself and in the process your other systems become up or down regulated. The mis-regulation is what causes all the havoc.

The virus doesn't replicate itself. It cannot. You replicate the virus for the virus.

The Vaccine simply tells your body what to look for and neutralize it. In this case, the MRNA Vaccine is like a virus in that it reprograms your own cells to produce a spike protein that looks just like the virus.

Your body sees it, realizes it's not suppose to be there and starts to attack it. Since the spike protein you created doesn't do anything but make an appearance, you don't get sick. It trains your system what to look for.

This primarily done via t-cells. Killer t-cells come along and drop cytotoxins all over the viruses it spots. It's cellular level cyanide. There are also macrophages which are big blobs. They bump into viruses and surround them, engulf them like the blob and once inside they dissolve them.

With enough of an immune response, memory t-cells are created. These are what give you long lasting immunity. A new invader is spotted, if it matches what's in the "memory bank", anti-bodies for that particular pathogen are produced rapidly.

I'm vastly over simplifying the process here, but that's the gist of it.

The vaccine doesn't make you partially immune. It either works or it doesn't. It seems to work for about 95% of the people. If you are in the 95%, you're immune. You won't get a weak case, you simply won't get any case. You won't make more virus, you won't pass it on to anyone else.

The only slight issue here is the immune response in the nasopharynx(back of the nose). It is a bit on the "outside" so to speak and the immune response can be slower here. You theoretically could have an active infection here that may take some time to resolve. The idea is that maybe you could shed enough virus to still infect others but internally, in areas, like the lungs with tons of blood flow, your immune system will shut down any infection quickly. This is why they keep talking about wearing masks and whatever long after you are immune. It's a stretch, there simply isn't any data one way or another.

The amount of virus shed by someone who is fully infected with a lung full of infection is probably several orders of magnitude greater than what can be made in the nose. The likelihood that nasopharyngeal infection in a vaccinated person is enough to infect others is very very low. It's not zero though.

[DeanFL]

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[Bill14564]

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as a public service for those who watch/hear the "news" with the recent stories of Florida only using 1/2 of the vaccine doses sent to the state - here's the REAL story, direct from the Gov> (hope this silences the critics)
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Paraphrasing the information in the clipping: Florida has reserved enough doses to provide the second shots and that is why they haven't already used all that have been provided.

This is good news, it is just a shame it has taken so long to hear. At least those with first shots can have confidence they will be able to get their second.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

They are scheduling Covid shots at Gainesville VA the number is 3525486000 ext 103755 for over 75 year old vets I just.called and I had 5 minute wait , I’m going Thursday but I could have gone tomorrow, the VA clinic in villages they said will have more vaccine Feb 10 I’m not taking chances she did say that they might fill up there schedule with younger ages

[Stu from NYC]

Paraphrasing the information in the clipping: Florida has reserved enough doses to provide the second shots and that is why they haven't already used all that have been provided.

This is good news, it is just a shame it has taken so long to hear. At least those with first shots can have confidence they will be able to get their second.

What is also a big shame is why they cannot give us any idea when they will be able to vaccinate the rest of us on the self start list.

[Dgizzi]

And it won’t. If it hasn’t by now..

[Topspinmo]

Logic would say that we need to concentrate on our problems and control CV BEFORE we can get the economy back to normal. This thread began with what a science-based country like Germany is doing about the problem. They have shown more success in dealing with CV than in the US. They are closing down even MORE tightly as a scientific response to the more virulent CV mutation that they are experiencing. The US already has some of this variant and can expect more. Then the South African variant will be coming.

Florida and TV Land have reacted with an unscientific response to CV. It has opened its economy too much. Businesses need to react to this completely new paradigm. For example, restaurants could become takeout and delivery only. There is no reason for continuing the old system of indoor dining. Having a meal outside of your own home is not worth dying yourself and destabilizing society. The same thing applies to The entertainment at the squares and any proposed indoor concerts would be just playing into the hands of the CV monster. Things are no longer the SAME. We must get used to that IN THE SHORT TERM in order to HAVE a future of "back to NORMAL". Businesses MUST evolve to meet the new challenge or go bankrupt! If the average citizen spends their money to support dangerous activities and events they bear the responsibility when hospitals close and chaos takes over society. A dollar spent is a vote for destabilizing America and helping the VIRUS to spread OR giving up some temporary amusements for the return to a REAL healthy America. Stay at home, exercise, entertain yourself, watch TV, and Zoom with your friends and relatives. Do that for the future strength of your country!

IMO

Shut downs don’t work very well, California and NYC good example. The virus will never go away, so shut down for ever not going to work either. Only thing that’s going to work are the shot and people following guidelines of what has been learned so far. That will also never happen.

You keep giving the example of countries that have far fewer population than United States, naturally they may have fewer due to fewer population and what travel they have and restricted? I have to ask? If %#% hate Florida and United States so bad why not move to lands of peaches and cream with rainbow sunsets everyday?

[Topspinmo]

What is also a big shame is why they cannot give us any idea when they will be able to vaccinate the rest of us on the self start list.


We now can depend on 1,000,000 a day with 1,500,000 goal starting in February. :icon_wink:

[Topspinmo]

Germany intends to fight the CV on a NATIONWIDE basis - not an INDIVIDUAL basis. Is America right or is Germany correct?

Let’s see Germany about size of Texas?

[Jeanette179]

Very good. My thoughts exactly. 😊

[Bill14564]

We now can depend on 1,000,000 a day with 1,500,000 goal starting in February. :icon_wink:

We have been promised 1M/day, we haven't seen it yet. Given that the promises of the recent past have not yet been realized, the 1M per day may be wishful thinking too. I hope not.

[Stu from NYC]

We now can depend on 1,000,000 a day with 1,500,000 goal starting in February. :icon_wink:

Depend huh. Exactly can we start depending on this?

[Topspinmo]

Depend huh. Exactly can we start depending on this?


It was on majority news channels reporting from our new administration so it must be true.

[Altavia]

We have been promised 1M/day, we haven't seen it yet. Given that the promises of the recent past have not yet been realized, the 1M per day may be wishful thinking too. I hope not.

I'm so confused, there were 8.6 million doses reported delivered this week.

[asianthree]

New White House press didn’t have kind words on sending more vaccine to FL. Due to holding back the second dose for 65 and over.

Many healthcare workers are not taking vaccine, so those doses are going to the public. Out of almost 200 staff in my department, only 11 took the vaccine. Not surprised, or disappointed. But glad the facility gave them the option, instead of forcing the vaccine.

[Bay Kid]

I hope it is safe? Both parents getting theirs today. I'm too young to get mine, 66. Hopefully I stay safe since I take care of them 24-7.

[Topspinmo]

New White House press didn’t have kind words on sending more vaccine to FL. Due to holding back the second dose for 65 and over.

Many healthcare workers are not taking vaccine, so those doses are going to the public. Out of almost 200 staff in my department, only 11 took the vaccine. Not surprised, or disappointed. But glad the facility gave them the option, instead of forcing the vaccine.

Maybe they some seen the side effects first hand?

[Topspinmo]

I hope it is safe? Both parents getting theirs today. I'm too young to get mine, 66. Hopefully I stay safe since I take care of them 24-7.

Why do you think you’re too young?

[Topspinmo]

[QUOTE=asianthree;1893263]New White House press didn’t have kind words on sending more vaccine to FL. Due to holding back the second dose for 65 and over.


Naturally, I bet couple states got overages?

[cj1040]

Even people you KNOW can be carriers because you dont KNOW where they have been and who they have been around ...the barber, the beautician, getting nails done, on and on. Each person has a bubble around them of where they have been and who they have been around You should not be around anyone you do not live with without a mask - we are a professional medical family and we take this seriously. Would not think of eating in an indoor restaurant or going to a gym, playing trivia or any of the many things we enjoy right now...getting tired of it all too after one year of isolation but we want to see our grand kids grow up, get married etc . Too much to live for to take any chances right now....

[cj1040]

well said !!!!

[Altavia]

New White House press didn’t have kind words on sending more vaccine to FL. Due to holding back the second dose for 65 and over.

Many healthcare workers are not taking vaccine, so those doses are going to the public. Out of almost 200 staff in my department, only 11 took the vaccine. Not surprised, or disappointed. But glad the facility gave them the option, instead of forcing the vaccine.

That's contrary to people I know working in health care. Younger people seem to be having stronger reactions to the second dose that resolve in a couple of days.

What health care facility has 90% of the staff refusing the vaccine?

[Bill14564]

New White House press didn’t have kind words on sending more vaccine to FL. Due to holding back the second dose for 65 and over.

Many healthcare workers are not taking vaccine, so those doses are going to the public. Out of almost 200 staff in my department, only 11 took the vaccine. Not surprised, or disappointed. But glad the facility gave them the option, instead of forcing the vaccine.

That's contrary to people I know working in health care. Younger people seem to be having stronger reactions to the second dose that resolve in a couple of days.

What health care facility has 90% of the staff refusing the vaccine?

I would be concerned with a facility where 95% of the staff refused the vaccine. Perhaps it was a choice to step aside and let others get the vaccine first - FWIW, that would make me feel a little better about the refusal.

[Stu from NYC]

I'm so confused, there were 8.6 million doses reported delivered this week.

Wonder where they are going cause they sure aint coming here.

[asianthree]

That's contrary to people I know working in health care. Younger people seem to be having stronger reactions to the second dose that resolve in a couple of days.

What health care facility has 90% of the staff refusing the vaccine?

Try to read the post. “In my DEPARTMENT of almost 200 only 11 were vaccinated. They are not stepping aside, just choosing not to be vaccinated.
No worries I am not anywhere near Florida.

But many who are pregnant, child bearing years, or have reactions to other vaccines are choosing not to be vaccinated. At this time the 185 facility’s I am attached to have not made it mandatory to be vaccinated or be fired, as in the case of flu vaccine.

[Bill14564]

I'm so confused, there were 8.6 million doses reported delivered this week.

TL;DR: According to CDC, 8.6M is first and second doses so only half, about 600K/day, for new vaccinations. There is still a lot of confusion between the Federal and State Governments and facilities administering the vaccinations.

There are two datasets on this CDC page (https://data.cdc.gov/browse?q=COVID-19%20Vaccine%20Distribution%20Allocations%20by%20J urisdiction%20-%20Moderna&sortBy=relevance) that give allocation numbers for the two vaccines. There are columns in the spreadsheet for doses to be administered this week and second does shipments which will be available 21 or 28 days later. If you add both the first and second dose numbers for both Pfizer and Moderna then you get to the 8.6M doses allocated (not shipped) the week of 1/25 but since half of those are for second doses then only 4.3M first doses will be shipped (about 600K/day).

Reading just these spreadsheets it gets confusing. It isn't clear if States are expected to order first and second doses today and then retain the second doses for 21 or 28 days or if they order the 1/25 first doses today plus the 1/4 and 12/28 second doses. And, since there was some confusion about whether the Federal Govt was stockpiling second doses or relying on the supply chain and since the supply seemed to be a moving target I could understand the State's reluctance to use all the vaccine it had and not hold back the second doses that it knows it will need.

It sounds like today FL is attributing the 53% utilization to holding back the second doses. This would seem to be a reasonable explanation except a Tampa Bay Times article (https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2021/01/26/desantis-reverses-covid-19-vaccine-strategy-to-ensure-second-doses/) says that until now Desantis had " derided the idea of keeping vaccines in cold storage to ensure there would be enough second doses to go around, even threatening hospitals who didn’t put the shots in arms fast enough." So which is it, has the FL Administration been threatening hospitals that put vaccines into reserve or have they encouraged hospitals to put vaccines into reserve?

As far as not being sure of the supply chain, I read an article or heard an interview yesterday where another State Governor was saying that if the Federal Govt. wanted States to use all the vaccine that had been delivered then the Fed Govt could order the States to do that. This Governor believed the Fed Govt wanted States to hold back some of the vaccine for second doses. That isn't what the CDC page indicates but there seems to be some confusion among several States.

So there seems to be a lot of confusion. The Fed Govt says it is not stockpiling second doses but that it is allocating the doses it receives in order to ensure second dose are available. At the same time, the Fed Govt says it doesn't control the supply and is at the mercy of the providers who haven't produced according to the original expectation.

The States believed the Fed Govt was stockpiling but learned they are not. The States seem to be confused as to how much vaccine they can order and whether they should build the reserves for the second shots.

Newspaper reports in Florida indicate that up until this week the State Govt was threatening facilities who were reserving second doses and not putting all available doses into arms. Then this week we heard the State had a change of heart and is now holding back enough vaccine to meet the demands for second doses.

There seems to be a lot of confusion and distrust. I hope it all gets cleared up soon.

[Byte1]

Of course there will be lots of confusion. I was told just two days ago by my doctor's nurse that those that catch the virus and recover, only have antibodies for a couple of months or so. She also said that the vaccine will have to be implemented yearly like the Flu shot, because the immunity from the vaccination will wear off in a few months. I don't know where folks get their information or whether it is just speculation based on evidence or experience from the past. Right now, I am only concentrating on getting my spouse an appointment for her shots. I know that I will eventually be offered mine at the VA so I am not concerned. The ONLY reason for me getting my vaccination will be to protect my wife. If she gets hers and has the immunity, I will not be concerned about getting it or not. Like I have said before, I know at least 12 family members that have recovered from the virus and I am in as good or better shape than them and have never had the flu, so I have no doubt that if I do become infected I will survive. If not, oh well. I figure it like this, I have outlived the "sell by" date and have had a great life. No complaints. As far as I am concerned, if you are depending on others for your safety then you have never grown up. Don't depend on someone else for your safety, because even your shadow disappears in the dark. That means, if you are assuming that everyone else around you is going to look out for you by wearing protective gear and distancing themselves, then you are setting yourself up for disappointment. Take care of yourself.
But, on subject I am also disappointed that Sumter county seems like the only one that is not distributing vaccinations right now. I am also disappointed that it is very difficult to locate available sites that are giving shots and that when you do locate one, the are schedule full and have no openings. BUT, I am also confident that I just have to be patient and I will eventually get my spouse scheduled so that she can feel free to leave the house again.
We all need to have patience and strive to avoid panic and hysteria. There are those (even on here) that insist on passing on their miserable, negative attitude. It does not make them feel any better, but they seem to live by the "misery loves company" theme.

[Altavia]

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[coffeebean]

Maybe they some seen the side effects first hand?

Side effects that take a couple of days, at best, to get over? What is wrong with these health care professionals? Would they rather be shot down with Covid and may take more than two days to recover from, even death?

I seriously do not understand why health care professionals are denying the science behind these vaccines. I'm truly am stumped.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

They are negative right now.

What is bothersome are the ones that don't wear mask or eat out all the time, and socialize....while the rest of us stay home,never eat out or enjoy shopping. But they are able to find a shot and their thought process is ',great, now we can go out more w/o a mask. Cuz we got the shot" and the rest of us stay home, still looking for a slot 🤦*♀️

I'm not sure I'm following your logic. When people get their second vaccine shot it is almost impossible for them to get the virus or spread it. Why should they continue staying home, mask wearing and social distancing? Isn't the purpose of the vaccine to allow us to stop these protocols?

[golfing eagles]

I'm not sure I'm following your logic. When people get their second vaccine shot it is almost impossible for them to get the virus or spread it. Why should they continue staying home, mask wearing and social distancing? Isn't the purpose of the vaccine to allow us to stop these protocols?

Don't bother, there is no logic in it:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Stu from NYC]

I'm not sure I'm following your logic. When people get their second vaccine shot it is almost impossible for them to get the virus or spread it. Why should they continue staying home, mask wearing and social distancing? Isn't the purpose of the vaccine to allow us to stop these protocols?

My understanding for wearing a mask after both doses of vaccine is that they are not sure if you could still give the virus to others.

[golfing eagles]

My understanding for wearing a mask after both doses of vaccine is that they are not sure if you could still give the virus to others.

More likely, if you are in a grocery store with 30% vaccinated and 70% not, no one will know who's who.

[Byte1]

It would be nice if this were an individual decision but it’s not. If you go out and get infected and don’t know, you could infect a large number of people and here they could die due to the vulnerability of the population

Actually, it IS an individual decision. Until someone makes a law restricting us to a certain behavior, then it is up to the individual. Life is full of challenges, so one has the choice to join life as is, or opt out and become a hermit. I will not have someone else dictate how I live in a FREE country. If I enter a business or your home, I will abide by the owner's rules. But, I will not allow someone else's fear and hysteria dictate my actions in public. Folks die every day, and there is always some means of extending lives a bit longer IF one wishes to limit their freedom or put limits on their lifestyle. As long as Americans have the freedom to make individual choices, then we will have those that do not condone other's actions. And many folks today seem to be so weak that they NEED the government to make lifestyle decisions for them. To those folks, I say "GET A LIFE."

[YouNeverKnow]

Even people you KNOW can be carriers because you dont KNOW where they have been and who they have been around ...the barber, the beautician, getting nails done, on and on. Each person has a bubble around them of where they have been and who they have been around You should not be around anyone you do not live with without a mask - we are a professional medical family and we take this seriously. Would not think of eating in an indoor restaurant or going to a gym, playing trivia or any of the many things we enjoy right now...getting tired of it all too after one year of isolation but we want to see our grand kids grow up, get married etc . Too much to live for to take any chances right now....
I know someone who was quite social here and said they only hung out with a group that they said they KNEW where all those people have been. This person contracted COVID here several months ago and was in a fight for their life with a very lengthy hospital stay. They have since “recovered” but are a shadow of their former self and unable to do even the simplest things because of the after effects of how COVID has left them. Doctors don’t know if they will ever recover from the damage it has caused.
When people quote the “survival” statics they don’t mention what some of those peoples “survival” now looks like. Life has forever changed for them.
If people are telling you they are hanging out with their “Social Group Bubble” because they KNOW them keep in mind there are many leaks in that bubble.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I would be concerned with a facility where 95% of the staff refused the vaccine. Perhaps it was a choice to step aside and let others get the vaccine first - FWIW, that would make me feel a little better about the refusal.
After all this is talk of villages
FYI I got my first shot last Thursday at Gainesville Va I’m 82 no side effects at all please get your shot if you can