Aggressive Dog

[Piedmonter]

A small (10 lb.) dog was attacked in our neighborhood the other night by an a large pit bull off leash. The small dog was very badly injured and only saved by his owner being willing to wrestle with the pit bull. The covenant restrictions of the Villages clearly do not allow dogs over 40 lbs. I am not necessarily in favor of that since there are many very nice, friendly labs, goldens etc. However, I do think that action should be taken when a larger dog shows itself to be dangerously aggressive. The Villages says that they cannot enforce the covenant. All they can do is send the owner of the pit bull a letter that when the dog passes away not to get another one like it. I am now very nervous when I walk my small dog at night. Perhaps the developer should consider amending the covenants to prohibit specific breeds known to be aggressive. For example, many campgrounds prohibit pit bulls and rotweillers.

[dewilson58]

Perhaps the developer should consider amending the covenants to prohibit specific breeds known to be aggressive. For example, many campgrounds prohibit pit bulls and rotweillers.
Prohibitions are unenforceable.

No matter what, owners are responsible for dog actions.

[Gpsma]

CCW carrier would deal with that dog...if not..baseball bat

[Velvet]

Most houses have landscaped rocks, in a pinch. Some dog breeds have been bread to fight other dogs, you can’t hold the dog responsible. It’s the owner who say, “But my dog is soooo friendly”... who should be put in jail.

[vintageogauge]

This is why god created attorneys.

[JohnN]

get some pepper spray - if there's trouble, then spray the dog - and then the dog's owner

[Number 10 GI]

If they know the owner of the aggressive dog they need to contact the appropriate animal control office and report the attack. Most cities/counties have ordinances for this kind of problem. If the small dog required veterinary care they should consult with an attorney about a possible suit for damages. They need to pursue this as it could be a visiting grandchild or an adult that is attacked next.

[Pinball wizard]

You can look up Florida leash laws on Google. Here is one link:

Understanding Florida Leash Laws - Attorneys Fort Myers, Cape Coral, Naples Florida (https://www.westandforjustice.com/legal-blog/understanding-florida-leash-laws/#:~:text=Florida%20Leash%20Law%20Part%201%3A%20Kee p%20Your%20Dog%20Leashed&text=It%20is%20unlawful%20for%20a,consent%20of%20t he%20property%20owner.)

[John_W]

A small (10 lb.) dog was attacked in our neighborhood the other night by an a large pit bull off leash. The small dog was very badly injured and only saved by his owner being willing to wrestle with the pit bull. The covenant restrictions of the Villages clearly do not allow dogs over 40 lbs. I am not necessarily in favor of that since there are many very nice, friendly labs, goldens etc. However, I do think that action should be taken when a larger dog shows itself to be dangerously aggressive. The Villages says that they cannot enforce the covenant. All they can do is send the owner of the pit bull a letter that when the dog passes away not to get another one like it. I am now very nervous when I walk my small dog at night. Perhaps the developer should consider amending the covenants to prohibit specific breeds known to be aggressive. For example, many campgrounds prohibit pit bulls and rotweillers.

You never included any info about the owner of the dog? Is he or she a neighbor, is the owner known, did anyone talk to the owner, was owner present and aware of the situation? There are leash laws which are not covenants but enforceable laws.

It appears you live in Piedmont, if a human was injured trying to defend their pet, then call the Marion County Sheriff. If there was just an aggressive dog attack against another dog, then call Marion County Animal Control. Get the dog's owner's name and information and present them with the vet bill. If they refuse to pay and the amount is more than $300 take them to small claims court. I would report them to the CDD and have it on record. That's what I would do, forget the covenants.

Animal control and pet laws | Marion County, FL (https://www.marioncountyfl.org/departments-agencies/departments-a-n/animal-services/animal-control-and-pet-laws)

[Chi-Town]

Have been there except it was a German Shepherd. Asked the owner to keep the dog off my property where my dog was attacked. Owner said no to that request. Called a lawyer friend who said to go to the police station and file a complaint for criminal destruction of personal property. The officer who issued the summons was bitten by the dog. End of story.

[Buzzerbaby]

I have a pit bull, she’s a fantastic dog. Personally, I would not let her off leash in an uncontrolled environment. Btw, I’ve been bitten more often from little dogs like chihuahuas then larger breeds. In fact I’d venture to say that little dogs do bite more then larger dogs, you just don’t hear about it as often because they don’t do the damage that larger breeds can. To ban a certain breed is ludicrous, kind of like banning someone of a different color or ethnicity beacause they supposedly are more (insert whatever reason you want here) then others. Just like people, dogs are products of their environment and owners/parents. Flame away ������

[JSR22]

I have a pit bull, she’s a fantastic dog. Personally, I would not let her off leash in an uncontrolled environment. Btw, I’ve been bitten more often from little dogs like chihuahuas then larger breeds. In fact I’d venture to say that little dogs do bite more then larger dogs, you just don’t hear about it as often because they don’t do the damage that larger breeds can. To ban a certain breed is ludicrous, kind of like banning someone of a different color or ethnicity beacause they supposedly are more (insert whatever reason you want here) then others. Just like people, dogs are products of their environment and owners/parents. Flame away ������

I 100% agree wity you. The biters in most cases are small dogs. I am totally against prohibiting a dog because of their breed. The enetire Villages does not prohibit dogs over 40 lbs.

[Edjkoz]

Perhaps you’re right but getting bitten by a small dog is not going to have the same consequences as being bitten by a pit bull etc

[New Englander]

If they know the owner of the aggressive dog they need to contact the appropriate animal control office and report the attack. Most cities/counties have ordinances for this kind of problem. If the small dog required veterinary care they should consult with an attorney about a possible suit for damages. They need to pursue this as it could be a visiting grandchild or an adult that is attacked next.


This is exactly what happens sometimes. The owner needs to pay the Vet bill and get that Pit Bull out of TV!

[Velvet]

I have a pit bull, she’s a fantastic dog. Personally, I would not let her off leash in an uncontrolled environment. Btw, I’ve been bitten more often from little dogs like chihuahuas then larger breeds. In fact I’d venture to say that little dogs do bite more then larger dogs, you just don’t hear about it as often because they don’t do the damage that larger breeds can. To ban a certain breed is ludicrous, kind of like banning someone of a different color or ethnicity beacause they supposedly are more (insert whatever reason you want here) then others. Just like people, dogs are products of their environment and owners/parents. Flame away ������

Yes... but pit bulls if they chose to, can kill. Comparing a big, powerful dog to a small one is like comparing Mohamed Ali to a young child. They can both be friendly.

[Papa_lecki]

Actually, the angle is the homeowners insurance company. Insurers usually drop coverage with 1 dog bite.

[NotGolfer]

This could end up in civil court....people letting their dogs run/walk off-leash are going against an ordinance as they're not "in control" of their animal. Generally judges won't be sympathetic with the offending dog's owner in a case like this. We've observed dogs being walked often, off leash in our neighborhood as well as at the postal station.

[vintageogauge]

I have a pit bull, she’s a fantastic dog. Personally, I would not let her off leash in an uncontrolled environment. Btw, I’ve been bitten more often from little dogs like chihuahuas then larger breeds. In fact I’d venture to say that little dogs do bite more then larger dogs, you just don’t hear about it as often because they don’t do the damage that larger breeds can. To ban a certain breed is ludicrous, kind of like banning someone of a different color or ethnicity beacause they supposedly are more (insert whatever reason you want here) then others. Just like people, dogs are products of their environment and owners/parents. Flame away ������

There are tons of cases reported where calm and relaxed pit bulls just like yours suddenly flip out and attack people and dogs, even infants in their own homes. That has nothing to do with their environment, it is in there genes and these dogs can cause crippling injuries and even death. I stay away from anything that even slightly resembles a pit bull as no one knows when they are going to attack someone.

[Joe V.]

There are tons of cases reported where calm and relaxed pit bulls just like yours suddenly flip out and attack people and dogs, even infants in their own homes. That has nothing to do with their environment, it is in there genes and these dogs can cause crippling injuries and even death. I stay away from anything that even slightly resembles a pit bull as no one knows when they are going to attack someone.


How many cases makes just one "ton?"

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Yes... but pit bulls if they chose to, can kill. Comparing a big, powerful dog to a small one is like comparing Mohamed Ali to a young child. They can both be friendly.

Unhinged people can kill, if they choose to. And yet we allow people here. Crazy how that works isn't it?

[Bjeanj]

How many cases makes just one "ton?"

25+ Dog Bite Statistics 2020-2021 | Top Dog Bites by Breed (https://www.mkplawgroup.com/dog-bite-statistics/)
Their research indicates that the top 6 breeds that are reported along with bite injuries are:

“Unknown”
Pit Bull
Mixed Breed
German Shepherd
Terrier
Rottweiler

66% of Fatal Dog Bite Deaths Caused by Pit Bulls

[Joe V.]

25+ Dog Bite Statistics 2020-2021 | Top Dog Bites by Breed (https://www.mkplawgroup.com/dog-bite-statistics/)



Their research indicates that the top 6 breeds that are reported along with bite injuries are:

“Unknown”
Pit Bull
Mixed Breed
German Shepherd
Terrier
Rottweiler

66% of Fatal Dog Bite Deaths Caused by Pit Bulls

In the report you cite the following was written:

Which dog breeds are the most dangerous?

A common question when it comes to dog bites is:

Which breeds are the most dangerous?

The AVMA or American Veterinary Medical Association conducted an in-depth literature review to analyze existing studies on dog bites and serious injuries. Their findings indicate that there is no single breed that stands out as the most dangerous.

According to their review, studies indicate breed is not a dependable marker or predictor of dangerous behavior in dogs. Better and more reliable indicators include owner behavior, training, sex, neuter status, dog’s location (urban vs. rural), and even varying ownership trends over the passing of time or geographic location.

For example, they note that often pit bull-type dogs are reported in severe and fatal attacks. However, the reason is likely not related to the breed. Instead, it is likely because they are kept in certain high-risk neighborhoods and likely owned by individuals who may use them for dog fights or have involvement in criminal or violent acts.

Therefore, pit bulls with aggressive behavior are a reflection of their experiences.

Guess you missed that.

[karostay]

Years and years ago back in my home state my sister driving home from work snowy afternoon when a dog ran out in front of her she slammed on the brakes to no avail sadly saying killed the dog slid across the highway hitting a car head on.. Thank goodness because of the snow travel was slow no injuries. Police arrived charged the dog owner .
He paid both parties

[Velvet]

Unhinged people can kill, if they choose to. And yet we allow people here. Crazy how that works isn't it?

But when they get aggressive we put them in jail, and depending on how aggressive.... we do not let them hurt others.

[vintageogauge]

Unhinged people can kill, if they choose to. And yet we allow people here. Crazy how that works isn't it?

What has that got to do with this topic, bears kill people too. We are talking specifically about Pitbulls.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

In the report you cite the following was written:

Which dog breeds are the most dangerous?

A common question when it comes to dog bites is:

Which breeds are the most dangerous?

The AVMA or American Veterinary Medical Association conducted an in-depth literature review to analyze existing studies on dog bites and serious injuries. Their findings indicate that there is no single breed that stands out as the most dangerous.

According to their review, studies indicate breed is not a dependable marker or predictor of dangerous behavior in dogs. Better and more reliable indicators include owner behavior, training, sex, neuter status, dog’s location (urban vs. rural), and even varying ownership trends over the passing of time or geographic location.

For example, they note that often pit bull-type dogs are reported in severe and fatal attacks. However, the reason is likely not related to the breed. Instead, it is likely because they are kept in certain high-risk neighborhoods and likely owned by individuals who may use them for dog fights or have involvement in criminal or violent acts.

Therefore, pit bulls with aggressive behavior are a reflection of their experiences.

Guess you missed that.

This, a thousand times.

In addition, what is "reported" isn't necessarily what is "true." Many reported pit-bull attacks are in fact not pit bulls at all.

There are several different breeds of dog that are usually lumped together in the USA, and called "pit bull." Meanwhile in the rest of the world, a "pit bull" refers almost exclusively to the American Pit Bull Terrier.

The Staffordshire Terrier, the American Staffordshire Terrier, and even the American Bulldog, are often confused for a pit bull and they just flat out aren't pit bulls.

Pit bulls get a lot of bad hype because they have been used for dogfighting, and they're very good at it. But MOST pit bulls that have been used for dogfighting, have also been tortured, deprived of food, neglected, otherwise abused, and used for "bait." Only the very rare few actually survive and become the ones you read about that are actively aggressive.

Many breeds of dog are bred for their protective nature. Mastiffs and shepherds will gallantly guard their flock - whether it be sheep or a human family, and kill - or die - to protect them. They require socialization and training, and their OWNERS require training as well.

If a pit-bull or any other dog attacks a person, it's because their owner has failed their OWN training. They have not learned how to control their dog. The owner has failed. The dog is just being a dog.

[vintageogauge]

This, a thousand times.

In addition, what is "reported" isn't necessarily what is "true." Many reported pit-bull attacks are in fact not pit bulls at all.

There are several different breeds of dog that are usually lumped together in the USA, and called "pit bull." Meanwhile in the rest of the world, a "pit bull" refers almost exclusively to the American Pit Bull Terrier.

The Staffordshire Terrier, the American Staffordshire Terrier, and even the American Bulldog, are often confused for a pit bull and they just flat out aren't pit bulls.

Pit bulls get a lot of bad hype because they have been used for dogfighting, and they're very good at it. But MOST pit bulls that have been used for dogfighting, have also been tortured, deprived of food, neglected, otherwise abused, and used for "bait." Only the very rare few actually survive and become the ones you read about that are actively aggressive.

Many breeds of dog are bred for their protective nature. Mastiffs and shepherds will gallantly guard their flock - whether it be sheep or a human family, and kill - or die - to protect them. They require socialization and training, and their OWNERS require training as well.

If a pit-bull or any other dog attacks a person, it's because their owner has failed their OWN training. They have not learned how to control their dog. The owner has failed. The dog is just being a dog.

The owner hasn't failed. The dog, as you noted, is just being a dog. All breeds of dogs at times are just being dogs but they don't rip peoples arms off or kill them. The difference is ptbull attacks are deadly. You can defend them all you want and blame whomever you want but there are more killer pitbulls than any other breed

[graciegirl]

A small (10 lb.) dog was attacked in our neighborhood the other night by an a large pit bull off leash. The small dog was very badly injured and only saved by his owner being willing to wrestle with the pit bull. The covenant restrictions of the Villages clearly do not allow dogs over 40 lbs. I am not necessarily in favor of that since there are many very nice, friendly labs, goldens etc. However, I do think that action should be taken when a larger dog shows itself to be dangerously aggressive. The Villages says that they cannot enforce the covenant. All they can do is send the owner of the pit bull a letter that when the dog passes away not to get another one like it. I am now very nervous when I walk my small dog at night. Perhaps the developer should consider amending the covenants to prohibit specific breeds known to be aggressive. For example, many campgrounds prohibit pit bulls and rotweillers.


A dog or cat off leash is clearly not allowed. Domestic pets are not allowed to roam free. I have not heard of any stipulation on size of a dog here. I have seen several large ones...on a leash. Great Dane's stick in my mind. I wonder what is meant by your statement; "The Villages says they cannot enforce the covenant". I really wonder WHO you spoke to that you call " The Villages." Any deed restriction reported will be checked and the owner of the property warned and then fined. I am not sure this is a deed restriction. Did you talk to the Sumter County Sheriff's office?

[Velvet]

In district 6 this is the deed restriction:

[vintageogauge]

In district 6 this is the deed restriction:

It's a deed restriction in 12 also.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

But when they get aggressive we put them in jail, and depending on how aggressive.... we do not let them hurt others.

Your argument is invalid. You're saying that it's okay for people to live here because you can put them in jail if they hurt other people.

But you can do the exact same thing with a pit bull if a pit bull becomes aggressive. And in fact, typically if a pit bull becomes aggressive and bites someone, that dog is euthanized. We don't typically put people to death when they attack other people.

People hurt and kill other people. We have laws to punish offenders, and we do NOT tell people they're not allowed to live in a particular neighborhood just in case they happen to end up becoming offenders.

If a pit bull has no "record" of attacking anyone, it is no more guilty than any PERSON who has no "record" of attacking anyone.

And to whoever said it was the pit bull and not the owner - no. Pit bulls are not naturally aggressive. They are TRAINED to be aggressive. They are naturally strong. What happens with that strength is up to whoever is training it.

[EdFNJ]

How many cases makes just one "ton?"
Just watch Judge Judy or Peoples Court. Many on there! At least 1249 pounds. :) If dog is not leashed and causes harm the dogs owner is solely responsible every time. Interesting ASPCA articles on Pit Bulls. They are sweet until they rip off a child's face or kill another dog.

Position Statement on Pit Bulls | ASPCA (https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls)

Today’s pit bull is a descendant of the original English bull-baiting dog—a dog that was bred to bite and hold bulls, bears and other large animals around the face and head.

It is likely that that the vast majority of pit bull type dogs in our communities today are the result of random breeding—two dogs being mated without regard to the behavioral traits being passed on to their offspring. The result of random breeding is a population of dogs with a wide range of behavioral predispositions.

[Velvet]

As much as I like dogs, I feel uncomfortable mixing frail retired people with large animals the owners may not be able to control. You should have seen me when I was a teacher of very young children!

[camaguey48]

CCW carrier would deal with that dog...if not..baseball bat
Also add wasp spray. Very effective.

[JimJohnson]

I have a pit bull, she’s a fantastic dog. Personally, I would not let her off leash in an uncontrolled environment. Btw, I’ve been bitten more often from little dogs like chihuahuas then larger breeds. In fact I’d venture to say that little dogs do bite more then larger dogs, you just don’t hear about it as often because they don’t do the damage that larger breeds can. To ban a certain breed is ludicrous, kind of like banning someone of a different color or ethnicity beacause they supposedly are more (insert whatever reason you want here) then others. Just like people, dogs are products of their environment and owners/parents. Flame away ������

I don’t understand why someone living in a retirement community would even consider owning a dog that is capable of killing a human. You own one of these killer breeds like pit bulls it is only a matter of time before they attack. Allowing one off leash should be a Felony.

[kellbell]

First it has NOTHING to do with whether it is a pit bull or a yorkie! And whoever said hit is with a baseball bat....I hope you meant for the owner you xxx! This can happen no matter how well the dog is or is not trained BUT it should ALWAYS fall back to the owner if the dog is aggressive. Most likely the owner beats the dog already otherwise he/she wouldn't be aggressive.

[kellbell]

psycho

[coffeebean]

A small (10 lb.) dog was attacked in our neighborhood the other night by an a large pit bull off leash. The small dog was very badly injured and only saved by his owner being willing to wrestle with the pit bull. The covenant restrictions of the Villages clearly do not allow dogs over 40 lbs. I am not necessarily in favor of that since there are many very nice, friendly labs, goldens etc. However, I do think that action should be taken when a larger dog shows itself to be dangerously aggressive. The Villages says that they cannot enforce the covenant. All they can do is send the owner of the pit bull a letter that when the dog passes away not to get another one like it. I am now very nervous when I walk my small dog at night. Perhaps the developer should consider amending the covenants to prohibit specific breeds known to be aggressive. For example, many campgrounds prohibit pit bulls and rotweillers.

The dog should not have been off leash. That is definitely an infraction right there.

[kellbell]

Completely agree with you!!!!!!!

[Beasley]

If you ever witness a mauling resulting in death by a Pitbull, you may think differently!

[Catalina36]

All Dogs within TV should be on a leash when you are out in your yard or walking your dog in the street. I really don't care what breed the dog is. I don't really care how much your dog weighs, I really don't care if you think your dog is friendly. You can only control your dog when it is on a leash. The safety of your neighbors or fellow Villagers should be more important then the rights you think your dog may have too roam free and not be on a leash. If you don't like my opinion, go purchase a house somewhere else with a fenced in yard if you want your dog to roam free. If you don't understand anything I just stated then you are the problem not your dog.

[xcaligirl]

Before we moved here, I asked about the dog restrictions and was told 50-lb maximum however they were grandfathered in however we could not get another dog over 50-lb's in the future and only 2 dogs allowed. I see where people have 3 dogs and "it's okay by them because they're small" (no it's not okay!). The Villages have "rules" however they don't enforce them (dogs, easements, improvements not being approved, etc) which makes me think, why have any CC&R's!! I always also say there are no bad dogs, only bad owners. If one knows their dog is aggressive, it needs to NEVER be off leash and they must comply with the Florida law! I know a lot of pitbulls who are very sweet however not sure how any dog would react to another dog or person so they must be leashed at all times. I was bitten by a small dog in CA walking past a house. He got a nice dose of pepper spray and the owner threaten to sue me, I took my phone out, took a picture of the dog bite and the dog, his address on his house and told him HE was wrong, not me, and if he wanted to get ugly, I would just contact an attorney since HIS dog bit me.

[kcrazorbackfan]

CCW carrier would deal with that dog...if not..baseball bat

That’s why I carry my Bodyguard .380 and my expandable baton when I walk my pups. I love animals but won’t hesitate one moment to permanently stop an attack.

[Bruce03]

. "... However, I do think that action should be taken when a larger dog shows itself to be dangerously aggressive. The Villages says that they cannot enforce the covenant. All they can do is send the owner of the pit bull a letter..."

Something's missing here. Your dog was injured, perhaps he would have been killed if your husband didn't fight the pit bull. Your husband may have been injured. You don't know if the dog has rabies, which is a whole new issue. And all you do is look to The Villages and the HOA rules? You need to call the police. They will attempt to find the dog and/or the owner. Laws are being broken here and you have suffered injuries. You should have called 911 immediately, but now it's not an emergency so pick up the phone and call (352) 343-2101 (Lake County Sheriff), (352) 728-6909 (Sumter County). Marion County didn't give any number to call, so call 911 and they will direct you
.

Your actions may still help you, but they may also save the next dog, someone's baby, or someone's husband.

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

Seriously - the discussion has gone to “small dogs bite more than big dogs” - or ‘pit bulls’ are more dangerous than any other breed of dog. Folks - breed or size does not matter to a dog or person that has been bitten. Silly people....
(If you get hit and killed by a ‘Smart Car’ vs a ‘Semi’ - does size matter???)

The issue is - IF - a dog bit another dog and/or human - the real problem is - the owner or care-taker of the dog is at fault.

No dog should ever be off a leash - ever- in an open, public place. That is not the fault of the dog (big or small).

I wouldn’t be surprised if the neighbors have been dealing with this situation for some time. - there is probably a lot more to the story.

Moral of the story - you don’t have to be buddies - but be civil with neighbors; always - always keep your dog under full control when out in an open area (if you are unable to handle any situation that comes up - get help to walk/exercise your dog); if another dog injures your dog &/or you - take your dog to the vet &/or yourself to the dr.- right away; get witnesses; and report to the proper authorities.

Also - remember - it is irrelevant if the dog is big, small, a pit bull, a tea-cup poodle...... it is the owner/care-takers fault.

[Debra Freeman]

And the stats are: Breed
Deaths % of Total
Pit bull 284 65.6%
Rottweiler 45 10.4%
German shepherd 20 4.6%
Mixed-breed 17 3.9%
American bulldog 15 3.5%
Mastiff/Bullmastiff 14 3.2%
Husky 13 3.0%
Unknown/unreleased 11 2.5%
Labrador retriever 9 2.1%
Boxer 7 1.6%

[bill.noltecpa@gmail.com]

The owner of the injured dog should contact the sheriff and make a report. If there were vet bill the other owner should pay if they don’t get an attorney. The attorney will notify the the attacking dog owners home owners insurance, you will be surprised the homeowners insurance will cancel the insurance on the home and getting another company when you have an aggressive dog is impossible. If is one of the requirements when you buy or maintain at renewal that you report you purchase a dog, the size, and breed.

[DaleDivine]

The owner of the small dog that was attacked needs to go on "Judge Judy", she hates "pit bull" varieties of dogs.
:boxing2::boxing2:

[merrymini]

Good luck. My dog, a yorkie, was attacked by a pit bull and the police officer acted like it was no big deal. She got a ticket for not having her two pit bulls licensed which cost her a hundred bucks but it cost me $2000 in vet fees. My husband did not want to sue. Dogs are considered property and not given weight, however, I would hate to see a dog like this pull a baby from someone’s arms the way my small dog was pulled from mine. The villages does not do a good job enforcing its rules.

[Skunky1]

Call the police and file a report. Then call a lawyer and sue the owner.

[Skunky1]

If Villages fails to enforce the rules you can sue them as well. The publicity alone will get you a bunch of dollars! Then maybe the villages will be proactive in enforcing the rules.

[Rosie1950]

Unhinged people can kill, if they choose to. And yet we allow people here. Crazy how that works isn't it?

And small white crosses have NEVER walked off their property to attack something, but the Villages seems to hold to the standard that they must be removed!! Any yard art that someone complains about MUST be removed.
How about a new standard PEOPLE WHO LET THEIR PETS OFF LEASH MUST BE REMOVED!!!

[Malsua]

That’s why I carry my Bodyguard .380 and my expandable baton when I walk my pups. I love animals but won’t hesitate one moment to permanently stop an attack.

I don't have a baton, but I have the same S&W. I should probably get a baton.

I love dogs. In fact, I love my Bichon Frise so much that anyone or anything that attempts him harm will have to get through me.

One minor exception. You can see that here: Skunk encounter - YouTube (https://youtu.be/TsH8V6U7t2o)

I'll do my best, but at some point, he's on his own! hehe.

[maggie1]

If they know the owner of the aggressive dog they need to contact the appropriate animal control office and report the attack. Most cities/counties have ordinances for this kind of problem. If the small dog required veterinary care they should consult with an attorney about a possible suit for damages. They need to pursue this as it could be a visiting grandchild or an adult that is attacked next.

Extremely good advice!

[BoatRatKat]

Several years ago my tiny yorkie was mauled horribly as he was being walked on a leash. A Golden Lab who was off leash came up from behind and took him. It was beyond horrific. My husband was able to pry the lab's jaws open but not before major damage was done. Our little pup spent 2 weeks in the hospital and underwent two surgeries. Then I spent another month at home with him nursing him back. The lab's owner's did not seem to care until I called Animal Control. Long story, they had to remove the dog from the neighborhood unless they built a 6 ft fence and HOA prohibited them from doing so. They also were given the 3600.00 vet bill that their home owner's insurance paid. I'm always on the lookout anytime I see someone walking a large dog when I'm walking my little one. I absolutely adore big dogs...all dogs, but I see too many older folks walking dogs that I doubt they'd be able to control if the dog got something into it's sights that it had to have. Particularly of late I see so many more large breeds, I think people are getting them for protection with the world in such an unstable way. People should not let it go when this happens to a dog, the dog will do it again. Call Animal Control and ask what can be done. BTW, this did not happen in TV.

[Curtisbwp]

TV and where you come from has laws and penalties. If it is that bad, go to (what ever town you live in) and file a complaint with tdog catcher. The villages is Not a police state.

[jbrown132]

A small (10 lb.) dog was attacked in our neighborhood the other night by an a large pit bull off leash. The small dog was very badly injured and only saved by his owner being willing to wrestle with the pit bull. The covenant restrictions of the Villages clearly do not allow dogs over 40 lbs. I am not necessarily in favor of that since there are many very nice, friendly labs, goldens etc. However, I do think that action should be taken when a larger dog shows itself to be dangerously aggressive. The Villages says that they cannot enforce the covenant. All they can do is send the owner of the pit bull a letter that when the dog passes away not to get another one like it. I am now very nervous when I walk my small dog at night. Perhaps the developer should consider amending the covenants to prohibit specific breeds known to be aggressive. For example, many campgrounds prohibit pit bulls and rotweillers.

A similar thing happened to a friend of mine. The only difference was the dog was an Akita, their know as Japanese attack dogs. He hired a lawyer and the end result was the owner of the dog was given two choices. Loose everything he had or put the dog down. The dog went. Once a dog does something like this they will do it again and again and it doesn’t matter the breed of dog.

[sallyg]

So awful! Please report this to animal control in your county. Perhaps there have been previous attacks and the owner may get fined. You can be sure the Villages won't do anything about it. Whereabouts is the pitbull located so others can avoid. You don't have to give the exact address, the street snd Village would be helpful.

[MollyJo]

get some pepper spray - if there's trouble, then spray the dog - and then the dog's owner

The dog most definitely s/b on a leash. Spray the dogs anus with the pepper spray.
That will give him something to go after-LOL

[MIskra]

I watch a lot of Judge Judy too. The OP does not say if the little dog was on a leash (or on it's owners property). A judge might rule both parties at fault if both dogs were off leash. Being a small dog owner, I don't trust any big dog to play with my toy-breed. Even the friendliest golden retriever could go into a natural prey-drive when play-chasing a tiny dog (that mimics a squirrel) at an off-leash park.

[vintageogauge]

First it has NOTHING to do with whether it is a pit bull or a yorkie! And whoever said hit is with a baseball bat....I hope you meant for the owner you xxx! This can happen no matter how well the dog is or is not trained BUT it should ALWAYS fall back to the owner if the dog is aggressive. Most likely the owner beats the dog already otherwise he/she wouldn't be aggressive.

You're contradicting yourself and dogs do not have to be beaten by their owners to be aggressive, many of these pitbulls that have attacked are loved like children by their owners.

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

As a dog owner - my dog is on a leash AT ALL times - I also take precautions to keep my distance when walking near anyone else with a dog. What I THINK the traits and threat associated w/ a breed is - is IRRELEVANT- Any dog can bite. A bite from a fuzzy, cute, wiggly mutt - is just as serious as a bite from a dog - all you dog ‘experts’ out there label as ‘Pit Bull’.

Please —- keep in mind —- it is irrelevant and irresponsible to think that only one size or one “breed” can be any more dangerous than any other — please - never take your guard down - it is YOUR responsibility - even if your dog or another dog has always been (or appears to be) - cute, fuzzy, and wiggly - your dog (or someone else’s dog) still has the potential to bite and do injury - given the right circumstances! Be responsible dog & cat owners! Dogs need their owners/handlers to make the right choices. Don’t expect others to be responsible - in any scenario!!!!

[Larchap49]

Prohibitions are unenforceable.

No matter what, owners are responsible for dog actions.

Perhaps TV state they can not enforce restrictions but insurance companies can and do refuse to insure a home with a pit bull and or other known aggressive breeds. I'm sure TV can ascertain who insures the home. Another option is for the owner of the injured dog to sue the pit bull owner, that most definitely will result in cancelation of his homeowners ins. if the dog is not gotten rid of. That will bring piece of mind to all neighbors.

[Charlesp]

Check out article on Death of Diane Whipple in San Francisco on Wikipedia.

[stan the man]

As a dog owner - my dog is on a leash AT ALL times - I also take precautions to keep my distance when walking near anyone else with a dog. What I THINK the traits and threat associated w/ a breed is - is IRRELEVANT- Any dog can bite. A bite from a fuzzy, cute, wiggly mutt - is just as serious as a bite from a dog - all you dog ‘experts’ out there label as ‘Pit Bull’.

Please —- keep in mind —- it is irrelevant and irresponsible to think that only one size or one “breed” can be any more dangerous than any other — please - never take your guard down - it is YOUR responsibility - even if your dog or another dog has always been (or appears to be) - cute, fuzzy, and wiggly - your dog (or someone else’s dog) still has the potential to bite and do injury - given the right circumstances! Be responsible dog & cat owners! Dogs need their owners/handlers to make the right choices. Don’t expect others to be responsible - in any scenario!!!!

I feel the same about my pet tiger

[Travelhunter123]

You can look up Florida leash laws on Google. Here is one link:

Understanding Florida Leash Laws - Attorneys Fort Myers, Cape Coral, Naples Florida (https://www.westandforjustice.com/legal-blog/understanding-florida-leash-laws/#:~:text=Florida%20Leash%20Law%20Part%201%3A%20Kee p%20Your%20Dog%20Leashed&text=It%20is%20unlawful%20for%20a,consent%20of%20t he%20property%20owner.)

Good article
The leash laws in the villages may be a little different

[lorilorilori]

Do not use pepper spray - might hurt you and your dog.
Suggest walking w an electric prod - safe and easy to use.
I have used them when I worked in a kennel without problems

[Travelhunter123]

25+ Dog Bite Statistics 2020-2021 | Top Dog Bites by Breed (https://www.mkplawgroup.com/dog-bite-statistics/)
Their research indicates that the top 6 breeds that are reported along with bite injuries are:

“Unknown”
Pit Bull
Mixed Breed
German Shepherd
Terrier
Rottweiler

66% of Fatal Dog Bite Deaths Caused by Pit Bulls

Great article
Everyone who has large dogs should read this

[kendi]

Take action based on county or city laws rather than TV.

[Travelhunter123]

In the report you cite the following was written:

Which dog breeds are the most dangerous?

A common question when it comes to dog bites is:

Which breeds are the most dangerous?

The AVMA or American Veterinary Medical Association conducted an in-depth literature review to analyze existing studies on dog bites and serious injuries. Their findings indicate that there is no single breed that stands out as the most dangerous.

According to their review, studies indicate breed is not a dependable marker or predictor of dangerous behavior in dogs. Better and more reliable indicators include owner behavior, training, sex, neuter status, dog’s location (urban vs. rural), and even varying ownership trends over the passing of time or geographic location.

For example, they note that often pit bull-type dogs are reported in severe and fatal attacks. However, the reason is likely not related to the breed. Instead, it is likely because they are kept in certain high-risk neighborhoods and likely owned by individuals who may use them for dog fights or have involvement in criminal or violent acts.

Therefore, pit bulls with aggressive behavior are a reflection of their experiences.

Guess you missed that.

So, are the experts stating that miniature poodle is as dangerous as a pit bull

[kendi]

If Villages fails to enforce the rules you can sue them as well. The publicity alone will get you a bunch of dollars! Then maybe the villages will be proactive in enforcing the rules.

Rules are not necessarily the law. Can only enforce the laws.

[Travelhunter123]

I don’t understand why someone living in a retirement community would even consider owning a dog that is capable of killing a human. You own one of these killer breeds like pit bulls it is only a matter of time before they attack. Allowing one off leash should be a Felony.

Thank you
Well said

[Donegalkid]

A common sense review of published articles, news stories, conversations and suggestions by trained veterinarians leads one to believe that pit bulls can, and are, often aggressive towards strangers and other dogs. They are often obtained by owners for that purpose. All facts. They are larger than many other dogs, have powerful jaws that “latch on” to flesh. All facts. Common sense and local ordinances dictate that these dogs need to be kept “on leash” in populated areas where they might encounter people other their owners, or other dogs. Owners of pit bulls are indeed liable for the action of their dogs. There is no longer a free “one bite” understanding or rule. All facts. Have a good day.

[Larchap49]

This, a thousand times.

In addition, what is "reported" isn't necessarily what is "true." Many reported pit-bull attacks are in fact not pit bulls at all.

There are several different breeds of dog that are usually lumped together in the USA, and called "pit bull." Meanwhile in the rest of the world, a "pit bull" refers almost exclusively to the American Pit Bull Terrier.

The Staffordshire Terrier, the American Staffordshire Terrier, and even the American Bulldog, are often confused for a pit bull and they just flat out aren't pit bulls.

Pit bulls get a lot of bad hype because they have been used for dogfighting, and they're very good at it. But MOST pit bulls that have been used for dogfighting, have also been tortured, deprived of food, neglected, otherwise abused, and used for "bait." Only the very rare few actually survive and become the ones you read about that are actively aggressive.

Many breeds of dog are bred for their protective nature. Mastiffs and shepherds will gallantly guard their flock - whether it be sheep or a human family, and kill - or die - to protect them. They require socialization and training, and their OWNERS require training as well.

If a pit-bull or any other dog attacks a person, it's because their owner has failed their OWN training. They have not learned how to control their dog. The owner has failed. The dog is just being a dog.

That is probably true but you all have gotten off track this is about a specific dog and an attack on another smaller dog. This dog and dog owner should be dealt with. Owner fined and held responsible for damages and the dog remo ed. When a dog attacks there are no 2nd chances as you can not train that out of them you can only restrain them until they get free again and repeat the behavior.

[Annarachel]

I hope that fur baby is ok.

[FromNY]

Dogs are suppose to be leashed!

[Pat2015]

I have a pit bull, she’s a fantastic dog. Personally, I would not let her off leash in an uncontrolled environment. Btw, I’ve been bitten more often from little dogs like chihuahuas then larger breeds. In fact I’d venture to say that little dogs do bite more then larger dogs, you just don’t hear about it as often because they don’t do the damage that larger breeds can. To ban a certain breed is ludicrous, kind of like banning someone of a different color or ethnicity beacause they supposedly are more (insert whatever reason you want here) then others. Just like people, dogs are products of their environment and owners/parents. Flame away ������
Agree! All dogs can attack and sometimes unprovoked so they should all be on leashes

[Larchap49]

I don't have a baton, but I have the same S&W. I should probably get a baton.

I love dogs. In fact, I love my Bichon Frise so much that anyone or anything that attempts him harm will have to get through me.

One minor exception. You can see that here: Skunk encounter - YouTube (https://youtu.be/TsH8V6U7t2o)

I'll do my best, but at some point, he's on his own! hehe.

Using a baton on a pitbull or other attacking dog would probably result in the dog turning on you. The gun seems like it would result in a better ending. I'm just not sure a dog attacking another dog and not a person would fall into the justification to discharge a firearm in a populated area ordinance.

[lawgolfer]

For 40 years I defended hundreds of homeowners/dog owners by appointment of their insurers. Included were three death claims. In every case the dog owners never failed to tell me, at length, how their dog was the most wonderful, gentle pet and that they could not imagine what the victim did to provoke their dog. The next thing I usually heard was how the dog slept with their children and they would never have allowed this had the dog been vicious.

From this, I learned four things:

1. All owners love their dogs and believe their dogs are harmless;

2. All owners are blind to reality and fail to appreciate the danger their dogs pose to others;

3. Any dog can bite at any time or attack another dog at any time;

4. Large dogs bite harder, do more damage, and pose a greater danger than small dogs.

As a final observation, my clients who owned pit bulls were the worst offenders and failed to have any insight into the danger their dogs posed to others. Frankly, most of them were flaming as ....oles who should have been locked in a cage with someone else's pit bull!

[allenpegg1@gmail.com]

I 100% agree wity you. The biters in most cases are small dogs. I am totally against prohibiting a dog because of their breed. The enetire Villages does not prohibit dogs over 40 lbs.

Check the bite pressure/jaw strength of a Pit Bull against any other breed. That Chihuahua's bite may break your skin because of it's sharp teeth, but that Pit can take a hunk out of your neck. Of all dog breeds, which has the most critical/dangerous attributes in relationship to attacks?

[Fore!]

I have a pit bull, she’s a fantastic dog. Personally, I would not let her off leash in an uncontrolled environment. Btw, I’ve been bitten more often from little dogs like chihuahuas then larger breeds. In fact I’d venture to say that little dogs do bite more then larger dogs, you just don’t hear about it as often because they don’t do the damage that larger breeds can. To ban a certain breed is ludicrous, kind of like banning someone of a different color or ethnicity beacause they supposedly are more (insert whatever reason you want here) then others. Just like people, dogs are products of their environment and owners/parents. Flame away ������

I have to agree with you that it’s not always the size of the dog. We rescued a Pekingese. He bit a friend, my husband, small minor bites, however the third time he literally attacked my arm. He bit me in several places. He was friendly with other dogs, however one never knew when he would “turn” on us, so unfortunately after about $2000 in expenses of supplies, special food, vet bills, training and my Urgent Care visit, we retuned him to the rescue shelter. They adopted him out again to a lady with a young ( appears about 8) child! I did report it to the appropriate people.

[allenpegg1@gmail.com]

I have a pit bull, she’s a fantastic dog. Personally, I would not let her off leash in an uncontrolled environment. Btw, I’ve been bitten more often from little dogs like chihuahuas then larger breeds. In fact I’d venture to say that little dogs do bite more then larger dogs, you just don’t hear about it as often because they don’t do the damage that larger breeds can. To ban a certain breed is ludicrous, kind of like banning someone of a different color or ethnicity beacause they supposedly are more (insert whatever reason you want here) then others. Just like people, dogs are products of their environment and owners/parents. Flame away ������

I'd be willing to bet that your Pit, in an instant, can break away from you by unexpectedly snatching the leash from your hand...

[giorgio1948]

Any dog owner that loses CONTROL of their dog is legally obligated for damages and should be taken to civil court.

[meboyle]

A small (10 lb.) dog was attacked in our neighborhood the other night by an a large pit bull off leash. The small dog was very badly injured and only saved by his owner being willing to wrestle with the pit bull. The covenant restrictions of the Villages clearly do not allow dogs over 40 lbs. I am not necessarily in favor of that since there are many very nice, friendly labs, goldens etc. However, I do think that action should be taken when a larger dog shows itself to be dangerously aggressive. The Villages says that they cannot enforce the covenant. All they can do is send the owner of the pit bull a letter that when the dog passes away not to get another one like it. I am now very nervous when I walk my small dog at night. Perhaps the developer should consider amending the covenants to prohibit specific breeds known to be aggressive. For example, many campgrounds prohibit pit bulls and rotweillers.
You said the pit was off leash? Why? All dogs have to be on a leash. Why can’t the Villages fine, or get a warning from Animal Control?
Hope the little guy is okay.
I had a small Derbyshire pit, he was a lap dog..so it’s the owner who needs training!

[Skunky1]

Pets are considered part of the family in some Households. They provide love, friendship, and emotional support. You have cared for them and love them as if they were one of your children. When that pet is attacked and battered The incident should be treated as if it was an attack on a child. Your pet has been traumatized and brutalized. You too have suffered tremendous emotional stress from this incident.Your pain and suffering is compensable. Your pursuit of this matter would serve to send a message to other pet caretakers that they must be responsible.

[Larchap49]

You should have had him put down. Sad but he will continue to bite and now that's on you

[airstreamingypsy]

This story is so vague. Why was the dog off leash? Does the Pit's owner live in The Villages, or a neighboring property. Never heard of weight restrictions for dogs, in The Villages. The fact is that particular Pit is a vicious dog and should be destroyed. The Pit's owner is 100% responsible for any and all vet bills and I would get a lawyer and sue for allowing the dog to be out and off leash. I had a Pit try to kill one of my dogs, the owner was horrified, paid all the vet bills etc..... it was traumatizing for involved. Advise your neighbor to call the police and a lawyer.

[Skunky1]

The aggressive dog owner should’ve been arrested and taken to jail. The dog should’ve been taken to quarantine and evaluated by a specialist.

[DAVES]

You never included any info about the owner of the dog? Is he or she a neighbor, is the owner known, did anyone talk to the owner, was owner present and aware of the situation? There are leash laws which are not covenants but enforceable laws.

It appears you live in Piedmont, if a human was injured trying to defend their pet, then call the Marion County Sheriff. If there was just an aggressive dog attack against another dog, then call Marion County Animal Control. Get the dog's owner's name and information and present them with the vet bill. If they refuse to pay and the amount is more than $300 take them to small claims court. I would report them to the CDD and have it on record. That's what I would do, forget the covenants.

Animal control and pet laws | Marion County, FL (https://www.marioncountyfl.org/departments-agencies/departments-a-n/animal-services/animal-control-and-pet-laws)

Re: small claims court.
Someone corrected me. Where we used to live, small claims was perhaps as I think it should be a peoples court. The cost to file a suit was like $18. To do it right, to win and then to collect is a lot of work. I did it twice. That is in 70 years Both times I won and both times I collected. Here in Florida, it is far more expensive and the court take a significant percentage.

[Chitown]

All Dogs within TV should be on a leash when you are out in your yard or walking your dog in the street. I really don't care what breed the dog is. I don't really care how much your dog weighs, I really don't care if you think your dog is friendly. You can only control your dog when it is on a leash. The safety of your neighbors or fellow Villagers should be more important then the rights you think your dog may have too roam free and not be on a leash. If you don't like my opinion, go purchase a house somewhere else with a fenced in yard if you want your dog to roam free. If you don't understand anything I just stated then you are the problem not your dog.
I could not have said it better. I have 2 dogs myself. I would never consider walking my dogs without a leash. Common sense tells you that at any moment anything can trigger a dog to attack a person or another dog. When I see a dog owner walking their dog down the street or worse at the town squares without a leash I can’t help but wonder why they would act so brazen. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. Have your dog leashed when walking him or her!

[jh214]

Carry pepper spray to start. If your dog is attacked, I would suggest suing the dog owner. Dogs cannot be running loose. Next time it could be a child attacked.

[graciegirl]

This story is so vague. Why was the dog off leash? Does the Pit's owner live in The Villages, or a neighboring property. Never heard of weight restrictions for dogs, in The Villages. The fact is that particular Pit is a vicious dog and should be destroyed. The Pit's owner is 100% responsible for any and all vet bills and I would get a lawyer and sue for allowing the dog to be out and off leash. I had a Pit try to kill one of my dogs, the owner was horrified, paid all the vet bills etc..... it was traumatizing for involved. Advise your neighbor to call the police and a lawyer.

It is my opinion that the original post had incorrect information. Pets must be leashed in The Villages. If someone was on another's property than the local law enforcement could be called. I have never heard of a weight limit on dogs here.

I agree with Airstream Gypsy the original post was very vague. Where did this happen? Who allegedly did the OP speak to from "The Villages".

Sometimes people who are anonymous deliberately post misinformation to make others upset. I have to wonder; did this happen at all?

[DAVES]

I have to agree with you that it’s not always the size of the dog. We rescued a Pekingese. He bit a friend, my husband, small minor bites, however the third time he literally attacked my arm. He bit me in several places. He was friendly with other dogs, however one never knew when he would “turn” on us, so unfortunately after about $2000 in expenses of supplies, special food, vet bills, training and my Urgent Care visit, we retuned him to the rescue shelter. They adopted him out again to a lady with a young ( appears about 8) child! I did report it to the appropriate people.

A rescue dog, is sort of like a used car. They are all perfect but someone decided to trade it in, often for a valid reason. Forgive me, but you should have put that dog down.
My sister, has adopted 3-4 dogs over many years. One was bad news. Genetics, previous owner she never knew. The dog would see totally normal and then attack with no warning at all. It was far larger than your Pekingese. She was advised by a vet to put it down.

[Topspinmo]

I have a pit bull, she’s a fantastic dog. Personally, I would not let her off leash in an uncontrolled environment. Btw, I’ve been bitten more often from little dogs like chihuahuas then larger breeds. In fact I’d venture to say that little dogs do bite more then larger dogs, you just don’t hear about it as often because they don’t do the damage that larger breeds can. To ban a certain breed is ludicrous, kind of like banning someone of a different color or ethnicity beacause they supposedly are more (insert whatever reason you want here) then others. Just like people, dogs are products of their environment and owners/parents. Flame away ������


But the don’t kill or clamp down and not let go. Just cause you’re pit bull not killer don’t mean other are not or you’re might flip switch. Pit bulls that are aggressive hard hard control on leash, some can break free form the owner. In this case the d—- dog wasn’t even lashed.

So, don’t defend irresponsible owner or aggressive dog that can kill.

[Topspinmo]

As a dog owner - my dog is on a leash AT ALL times - I also take precautions to keep my distance when walking near anyone else with a dog. What I THINK the traits and threat associated w/ a breed is - is IRRELEVANT- Any dog can bite. A bite from a fuzzy, cute, wiggly mutt - is just as serious as a bite from a dog - all you dog ‘experts’ out there label as ‘Pit Bull’.

Please —- keep in mind —- it is irrelevant and irresponsible to think that only one size or one “breed” can be any more dangerous than any other — please - never take your guard down - it is YOUR responsibility - even if your dog or another dog has always been (or appears to be) - cute, fuzzy, and wiggly - your dog (or someone else’s dog) still has the potential to bite and do injury - given the right circumstances! Be responsible dog & cat owners! Dogs need their owners/handlers to make the right choices. Don’t expect others to be responsible - in any scenario!!!!

The little mutts don’t crush bones or tear chunks of flesh or clamps down and won’t let go, so there no comparison to dogs that can kill other dogs and humans. It’s not just large terriers and large dog that been bread to protect.

[Topspinmo]

It is my opinion that the original post had incorrect information. Pets must be leashed in The Villages. If someone was on another's property than the local law enforcement could be called. I have never heard of a weight limit on dogs here.

I agree with Airstream Gypsy the original post was very vague. Where did this happen? Who allegedly did the OP speak to from "The Villages".

Sometimes people who are anonymous deliberately post misinformation to make others upset. I have to wonder; did this happen at all?

Only limit on two pets, but, lots don’t follow rules.

[Malsua]

Using a baton on a pitbull or other attacking dog would probably result in the dog turning on you. The gun seems like it would result in a better ending. I'm just not sure a dog attacking another dog and not a person would fall into the justification to discharge a firearm in a populated area ordinance.

If a dog is mauling my Bichon, I am defending his life. I'll take my chances with a jury if it comes to it. It won't because FL has laws on the books, see below.

In NJ, the other place I live, if a bear or other wild animal is attacking your pet or livestock, you can kill it as well. I'm not sure if it applies to aggressive dogs, but probably .


The 2020 Florida Statutes
Title XLV
TORTS
Chapter 767
DAMAGE BY DOGS; DANGEROUS DOGS
View Entire Chapter
767.03 Good defense for killing dog.—In any action for damages or of a criminal prosecution against any person for killing or injuring a dog, satisfactory proof that said dog had been or was killing any animal included in the definitions of “domestic animal” and “livestock” as provided by s. 585.01 shall constitute a good defense to either of such actions.
History.—s. 1, ch. 4978, 1901; GS 3144; RGS 4959; CGL 7046; s. 1, ch. 79-315; s. 2, ch. 94-339.

[CFrance]

In district 6 this is the deed restriction:
Really friendly nanny goat free to a good home.

[SteveT]

How many cases makes just one "ton?"

In a recent 15-year period from 2005 to 2019, pit bulls killed 346 Americans, about one citizen every 16 days. 15 By 2024, the pit bull death toll is projected to reach 512 Americans since 1998, the year the CDC stopped tracking fatal dog attacks by breed, and over 590 Americans since 1980.
Remember these cases are DEATHS, thousands of people have their flesh ripped off by pitbulls each year. Many of them are scarred for life, and many of them are innocent children and senior citizens.

[jmcica@aol.com]

I would NOT want to live in a neighborhood where there is a pitbull- my opinion- please dont criticize me.

[jimjamuser]

A small (10 lb.) dog was attacked in our neighborhood the other night by an a large pit bull off leash. The small dog was very badly injured and only saved by his owner being willing to wrestle with the pit bull. The covenant restrictions of the Villages clearly do not allow dogs over 40 lbs. I am not necessarily in favor of that since there are many very nice, friendly labs, goldens etc. However, I do think that action should be taken when a larger dog shows itself to be dangerously aggressive. The Villages says that they cannot enforce the covenant. All they can do is send the owner of the pit bull a letter that when the dog passes away not to get another one like it. I am now very nervous when I walk my small dog at night. Perhaps the developer should consider amending the covenants to prohibit specific breeds known to be aggressive. For example, many campgrounds prohibit pit bulls and rotweillers.
Pit Bulls should be illegal to own in the entire US.

[Taltarzac725]

Pit bull - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull)

Others have brought this up. There are various different dog breeds and mixes put into this emotion charged label.

Worth a look-- Daddy (dog - Wikipedia) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daddy_(dog))

[pmken2]

I believe that Sumter has leash laws. I would contact them.

[Topspinmo]

Pit bull - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull)

Others have brought this up. There are various different dog breeds and mixes put into this emotion charged label.


Naturally emotional charged when you’re pet get killed or you’re mate. Does anybody remember the lady coming out of her apartment and lady dog owner with two pit bulls mulled and killed her right in front of her door. When people see that they get emotional charged. Anytime I have to get in close approximation of large dog I’m on my guard, especially when the dog weights about as much as the owner

[Topspinmo]

Pit Bulls should be illegal to own in the entire US.

Well, I’m not that radical, but majority of pit bull mix owners should own them.

If anybody lives near villages/ church property, souliere, or Phillips villa’s off CR42 be very careful people let the large dogs run off leach in open fields (including Staffordshire bull terriers and maybe bullmastiffs mixes)

[RedChariot]

If you ever witness a mauling resulting in death by a Pitbull, you may think differently!

Or been an RN in an ICU unit caring for a 12 year old boy mauled by dog. I was with him for 2 nights as his nurse until he was transferred to a specialty medical center. I doubt he ever got over that experience emotionally.

Aggressive large dogs just don't belong in a retirement community. Too many possibilities for injury or death. The fact we would have to carry pepper spray just to take a walk around the community is absurd.

[Spalumbos62]

Your argument is invalid. You're saying that it's okay for people to live here because you can put them in jail if they hurt other people.

But you can do the exact same thing with a pit bull if a pit bull becomes aggressive. And in fact, typically if a pit bull becomes aggressive and bites someone, that dog is euthanized. We don't typically put people to death when they attack other people.

People hurt and kill other people. We have laws to punish offenders, and we do NOT tell people they're not allowed to live in a particular neighborhood just in case they happen to end up becoming offenders.

If a pit bull has no "record" of attacking anyone, it is no more guilty than any PERSON who has no "record" of attacking anyone.

And to whoever said it was the pit bull and not the owner - no. Pit bulls are not naturally aggressive. They are TRAINED to be aggressive. They are naturally strong. What happens with that strength is up to whoever is training it.

Absolutely not....a bitting pit does not mean a bad owner...its the breed.
(Not to say there are lots of bad,uneducated owners out the...of all breeds) but a bitter does not stem from the owner.

[jelly123]

A small (10 lb.) dog was attacked in our neighborhood the other night by an a large pit bull off leash. The small dog was very badly injured and only saved by his owner being willing to wrestle with the pit bull. The covenant restrictions of the Villages clearly do not allow dogs over 40 lbs. I am not necessarily in favor of that since there are many very nice, friendly labs, goldens etc. However, I do think that action should be taken when a larger dog shows itself to be dangerously aggressive. The Villages says that they cannot enforce the covenant. All they can do is send the owner of the pit bull a letter that when the dog passes away not to get another one like it. I am now very nervous when I walk my small dog at night. Perhaps the developer should consider amending the covenants to prohibit specific breeds known to be aggressive. For example, many campgrounds prohibit pit bulls and rotweillers.

Where was this?

[macawlaw]

As many have said, a dog should never be off-leash if not in his/her own fenced yard. There are some good dogs of every breed. However, my response to someone asking why I rescued my dog from out-of-state when so many pit bulls were available locally, my response shut her up: “I’ve never read a headline of ‘Child Mauled by Standard Poodle.’”

[cbmerl]

Yes... but pit bulls if they chose to, can kill. Comparing a big, powerful dog to a small one is like comparing Mohamed Ali to a young child. They can both be friendly.

Excellent comparison!

[justjim]

For 40 years I defended hundreds of homeowners/dog owners by appointment of their insurers. Included were three death claims. In every case the dog owners never failed to tell me, at length, how their dog was the most wonderful, gentle pet and that they could not imagine what the victim did to provoke their dog. The next thing I usually heard was how the dog slept with their children and they would never have allowed this had the dog been vicious.

From this, I learned four things:

1. All owners love their dogs and believe their dogs are harmless;

2. All owners are blind to reality and fail to appreciate the danger their dogs pose to others;

3. Any dog can bite at any time or attack another dog at any time;

4. Large dogs bite harder, do more damage, and pose a greater danger than small dogs.

As a final observation, my clients who owned pit bulls were the worst offenders and failed to have any insight into the danger their dogs posed to others. Frankly, most of them were flaming as ....oles who should have been locked in a cage with someone else's pit bull!

I believe you are spot on. :clap2:

[Taltarzac725]

I have been going to Doggie Doo Run Run since 2006. I started when I was looking for a dog and they had an adoption event.

They have all kinds of dogs there and they remove aggressive dogs fairly quickly especially if they have the large square like head of "pit bull" like dogs. Many of these dogs though are also very gentle and some have been coming to the dog park a long time with no problems.

One of the worst wounds of late I saw on a dog were on a "pit bull" like pooch which was frequently bullied by many other dogs of various breeds. The owner of the dog also got chewed up trying to rescue his "pit bull" from the one of these bullying canines. They did ban the dog that was biting the "pit bull" and his owner.

[Dgodin]

A small (10 lb.) dog was attacked in our neighborhood the other night by an a large pit bull off leash. The small dog was very badly injured and only saved by his owner being willing to wrestle with the pit bull. The covenant restrictions of the Villages clearly do not allow dogs over 40 lbs. I am not necessarily in favor of that since there are many very nice, friendly labs, goldens etc. However, I do think that action should be taken when a larger dog shows itself to be dangerously aggressive. The Villages says that they cannot enforce the covenant. All they can do is send the owner of the pit bull a letter that when the dog passes away not to get another one like it. I am now very nervous when I walk my small dog at night. Perhaps the developer should consider amending the covenants to prohibit specific breeds known to be aggressive. For example, many campgrounds prohibit pit bulls and rotweillers.
We had a similar issue. We were walking our 20lb dog on the street. Stopped to talk to a homeowner. Their large dog got out, ran straight to our dog, picked him up and shook him like a rag doll. My wife kicked the large dog in the nuts, which calmed him down considerably. The dog owner was shocked that their dog would attack but paid the vet bill ($150), and bought our dog a toy.
We still called animal control. In Lady Lake the animal can be off leash in a yard but only if it is UNDER CONTROL by the owner and must be leashed outside of the yard. We filed a complaint so that the incident would be on record but asked that there be no fine as the offending dog's owner had paid the bill. It is important to get the incident on record in case of a future problem. We didn't want anyone else to go through the problem.

[Mac81]

Not all pit bulls are aggressive...dogs owner should be fined and dog evaluated.

[The Mountaineer]

As Judge Judy points out repeatedly pit bulls are such a problem that home owners can NOT get insurance to cover their damages. Owning a pit bull is a good way to lose your home. Feel sorry for the smaller dog. Pit bulls repeatedy do this. Even chewing faces of family children. "They are so friendly" becomes a limb-tearing menace in a split second. I've had dogs, so I'm not anti-dog. But it's foolish and risky to have a pit bull. What if that pit bull mauls a kid before it's finally put down? The owner who lets a pit bull out without having it under control on a leash is SO liable financially. Just watch Judy Judy. She has horror stories to tell about pit bulls and their aggression.

[rmd2]

Check out article on Death of Diane Whipple in San Francisco on Wikipedia.

I remember that young lady. A horrible death.

[Taltarzac725]

I remember that young lady. A horrible death.

I recall that as well. Death of Diane Whipple - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Diane_Whipple)

Those were mastiff type dogs. Perro de Presa Canario - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perro_de_Presa_Canario)

[Velvet]

So awful! Please report this to animal control in your county. Perhaps there have been previous attacks and the owner may get fined. You can be sure the Villages won't do anything about it. Whereabouts is the pitbull located so others can avoid. You don't have to give the exact address, the street snd Village would be helpful.

Why is The villages not enforcing the deed restrictions? If it is true, then are the restrictions enforced Willy nilly? I like this one, that one not so much.... then based on no enforcement of one item, any resident can plead that they can break any restriction since this one is not enforced so then none should be. The restrictions are not weighed, ie. this one is more important, this one is less/not important, on my document.

[debb3c]

I agree and always carry pepper spray

[nevjudbaker]

Have been there except it was a German Shepherd. Asked the owner to keep the dog off my property where my dog was attacked. Owner said no to that request. Called a lawyer friend who said to go to the police station and file a complaint for criminal destruction of personal property. The officer who issued the summons was bitten by the dog. End of story.
Great ending!

[Taltarzac725]

I agree and always carry pepper spray

I used to carry a five iron around when walking my dog. Mainly as a cane but also as a weapon against coyotes. Have not seen a coyote here in Lynnhaven for a year or so.

There is a "pit bull" like dog around but the owner keeps it at a distance from other pooches and seems to have a good grip on it. I had a nurse friend who was about 100 lbs, if that, and she had a 50 lb pit bull mix and often wondering how she could control her. The nurse's dog did get rough after playing hard at the dog park with a boxer type mix. They eventually had to kick it out of Doggie Doo Run Run along with the boxer type as they both were getting too aggressive. Lots of complaints from other dog park users too made that ban an easy decision for the dog park owners.

[Velvet]

Large, heavy dogs can be impossible to control even on a leash. My friend who shows American Staffordshire Terriers at dog shows all over the continent and lives with 15 of them, sent me two of the world’s most beautiful puppies. They require daily training he said. Full grown these dogs can pull me off my feet without too much effort. Although at the time I worked out at the gym every day, I sent them back to him... with great regret.

[lisarenee523]

I 1000% agree with you. When I walk my two dogs, 100lb each, it's always the little dogs that want to attack / bark at my dogs. Mine don't bark or do anything.

There are other dogs that are more "aggressive" than pits, and have stronger jaws than pits. Pitties are great dogs. Super sweet.

[Hogfan55]

I have a pit bull, she’s a fantastic dog. Personally, I would not let her off leash in an uncontrolled environment. Btw, I’ve been bitten more often from little dogs like chihuahuas then larger breeds. In fact I’d venture to say that little dogs do bite more then larger dogs, you just don’t hear about it as often because they don’t do the damage that larger breeds can. To ban a certain breed is ludicrous, kind of like banning someone of a different color or ethnicity beacause they supposedly are more (insert whatever reason you want here) then others. Just like people, dogs are products of their environment and owners/parents. Flame away ������

I agree. I also have a pit bull. I would have never chosen that breed but inherited it from my Iraq vet son who passed away unexpectedly. I just felt like he would want me to take him and not give to a stranger. That being said my pit is the sweetest and most non-aggressive dog I’ve had...to people. He has never bitten or shown aggression to any human. But I must say I do worry what he could do with another dog or cat. He does show aggression to other animals like squirrels and has even killed a few. So naturally I never go away from home with him off leash. And I would feel awful if he did attack someone’s pet and I would take responsibility. But like my veterinarian said, “There are more aggressive dogs(Chihuahuas & Cocker Spaniels for example that usually bite people), but what separates them from a pit bull is how powerful a pit bull is.

[Sherry8bal]

A small (10 lb.) dog was attacked in our neighborhood the other night by an a large pit bull off leash. The small dog was very badly injured and only saved by his owner being willing to wrestle with the pit bull. The covenant restrictions of the Villages clearly do not allow dogs over 40 lbs. I am not necessarily in favor of that since there are many very nice, friendly labs, goldens etc. However, I do think that action should be taken when a larger dog shows itself to be dangerously aggressive. The Villages says that they cannot enforce the covenant. All they can do is send the owner of the pit bull a letter that when the dog passes away not to get another one like it. I am now very nervous when I walk my small dog at night. Perhaps the developer should consider amending the covenants to prohibit specific breeds known to be aggressive. For example, many campgrounds prohibit pit bulls and rotweillers.

Having The Villages enforce any covenant here is pretty much a joke, especially when it comes to pets. There is also a 2 pet LIMIT but I've seen many people walking all three of their dogs and they are NOT dog sitting. They just choose to break the rules.

It this would have been me, I would have shot the pit bull. That would have guaranteed some kind of action!!!

[Fore!]

A rescue dog, is sort of like a used car. They are all perfect but someone decided to trade it in, often for a valid reason. Forgive me, but you should have put that dog down.
My sister, has adopted 3-4 dogs over many years. One was bad news. Genetics, previous owner she never knew. The dog would see totally normal and then attack with no warning at all. It was far larger than your Pekingese. She was advised by a vet to put it down.

We had a signed agreement with the rescue to return him for any reason as they are a no kill shelter.

[Worldseries27]

a small (10 lb.) dog was attacked in our neighborhood the other night by an a large pit bull off leash. The small dog was very badly injured and only saved by his owner being willing to wrestle with the pit bull. The covenant restrictions of the villages clearly do not allow dogs over 40 lbs. I am not necessarily in favor of that since there are many very nice, friendly labs, goldens etc. However, i do think that action should be taken when a larger dog shows itself to be dangerously aggressive. The villages says that they cannot enforce the covenant. All they can do is send the owner of the pit bull a letter that when the dog passes away not to get another one like it. I am now very nervous when i walk my small dog at night. Perhaps the developer should consider amending the covenants to prohibit specific breeds known to be aggressive. For example, many campgrounds prohibit pit bulls and rotweillers.
florida is a stand your ground state. Works for me and hopefully for the people who carry 4 legged weapons.

[dwhite5773]

A small (10 lb.) dog was attacked in our neighborhood the other night by an a large pit bull off leash. The small dog was very badly injured and only saved by his owner being willing to wrestle with the pit bull. The covenant restrictions of the Villages clearly do not allow dogs over 40 lbs. I am not necessarily in favor of that since there are many very nice, friendly labs, goldens etc. However, I do think that action should be taken when a larger dog shows itself to be dangerously aggressive. The Villages says that they cannot enforce the covenant. All they can do is send the owner of the pit bull a letter that when the dog passes away not to get another one like it. I am now very nervous when I walk my small dog at night. Perhaps the developer should consider amending the covenants to prohibit specific breeds known to be aggressive. For example, many campgrounds prohibit pit bulls and rotweillers.
Where in the “covenant restrictions” is this stated that no dogs over 40 lbs? It is not a deed restriction I know for a fact. I’ve never heard of a “covenant restriction” in TV. I’m very sorry for the attack upon the small dog, but your classifying pit bulls and dogs over 40 lbs as aggressive. This is TOTALLY false, for it is how the dog is raised, trained and such, NOT breed specific and size! I have seen many “small” dogs that would have the same temperament and aggression! There is no possible way that any “restriction” as stated can be put in place in the TV. It is NOT an HOA community. People own there own homes, yes with deed restrictions. If this is fact please cite the it and the authenticity. Thank you!

[Joe V.]

florida is a stand your ground state. Works for me and hopefully for the people who carry 4 legged weapons.

Ah yes! Resort to gun violence as a first reaction.

[golfing eagles]

I used to carry a five iron around when walking my dog. Mainly as a cane but also as a weapon against coyotes. Have not seen a coyote here in Lynnhaven for a year or so.



Use a 9 iron or wedge------cuts better

[dwhite5773]

Perhaps you’re right but getting bitten by a small dog is not going to have the same consequences as being bitten by a pit bull etc
You might rethink that!

[dwhite5773]

There are tons of cases reported where calm and relaxed pit bulls just like yours suddenly flip out and attack people and dogs, even infants in their own homes. That has nothing to do with their environment, it is in there genes and these dogs can cause crippling injuries and even death. I stay away from anything that even slightly resembles a pit bull as no one knows when they are going to attack someone.
Wow, breed discrimination. Please read up, a Chihuahua can be as aggressive as a German Shepherd. ITS NOT THE BREED!

[Topspinmo]

I recall that as well. Death of Diane Whipple - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Diane_Whipple)

Those were mastiff type dogs. Perro de Presa Canario - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perro_de_Presa_Canario)

Yes, the common denominator is BULL as in Bullmastiff and pit bulls, along with staffordshire bull terriers.

[Jima64]

Wow, breed discrimination. Please read up, a Chihuahua can be as aggressive as a German Shepherd. ITS NOT THE BREED!

I think I can whaxk a chi chi hard enough to make it
stop biting me. Had two shepherds and know the size and strength of the breed. Kind of like comparing apples to Oranges.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Ah yes! Resort to gun violence as a first reaction.

You do whatever you can to stop the threat so you can go home.

[Cheryl Barrios]

I think the problem here is the owner not having the dog on a leash. If you are walking your dog or letting your dog outside for any reason, they should be leashed and controlled by the owner or inside a fenced yard. Can dogs be vicious? Yes. Will they attack other dogs, other animals, and humans? Yes. Simple control would have prevented the smaller dog from being hurt. I would personally hold the owner of the attacking dog responsible and provide them with a letter from the vet, a bill, and possibly a letter from an attorney letting them know they are responsible for all medical bills. I would also make a police report, as someone suggested, if a human was hurt during the situation, and animal control if the dog was the only one hurt.

[Skunky1]

I am thinking a smart lawyer can make this right.

[Stnkydogs]

Pit Bulls are not a dangerous breed. Like any dog training and treatment are important. I'm more afraid of Chihuahua's which are listed most dangerous on many lists. Would you ban that breed as well? Breed banning is not the answer. It starts with the owner.

[Syd2008]

Do not understand owners having dogs off leash big or small. Sets dogs up for failure. Had a small dog head toward me and my dog while off leash fast as a bullet. It was aggressive but all owner did was chuckle.
Dog typically not the issue. Owner behavior is.

[Rosie1950]

Why is The villages not enforcing the deed restrictions? If it is true, then are the restrictions enforced Willy nilly? I like this one, that one not so much.... then based on no enforcement of one item, any resident can plead that they can break any restriction since this one is not enforced so then none should be. The restrictions are not weighed, ie. this one is more important, this one is less/not important, on my document.

Like I said, when was the last time a white cross or yard ornaments left the property and attacked a passerby. The Villages will take people to court over those restrictions.
Makes u wonder about the mentality of those enforcing restrictions.
ALL DOGS NEED TO BE LEASHED.

[Rosie1950]

The story of Diane Whipple and what happened here is mixing Apple and oranges.
Diane was killed by presa canarios and the owner was a white nationalist. Presa’s make pits look like puppies, the incident was ruled an intentional murder because Diane was gay.
Some Presa’s can weigh upwards of 190+ lbs how many of us villagers can control that. AND there was 2 not 1 dog attacking. The dogs were intentionally set on her, hence the murder conviction.
Hopefully there are no white nationalists living in the Villages, they wouldn’t like any of us.

[Topspinmo]

Your argument is invalid. You're saying that it's okay for people to live here because you can put them in jail if they hurt other people.

But you can do the exact same thing with a pit bull if a pit bull becomes aggressive. And in fact, typically if a pit bull becomes aggressive and bites someone, that dog is euthanized. We don't typically put people to death when they attack other people.

People hurt and kill other people. We have laws to punish offenders, and we do NOT tell people they're not allowed to live in a particular neighborhood just in case they happen to end up becoming offenders.

If a pit bull has no "record" of attacking anyone, it is no more guilty than any PERSON who has no "record" of attacking anyone.

And to whoever said it was the pit bull and not the owner - no. Pit bulls are not naturally aggressive. They are TRAINED to be aggressive. They are naturally strong. What happens with that strength is up to whoever is training it.

You’re opinion, that’s it.

[Travelhunter123]

For 40 years I defended hundreds of homeowners/dog owners by appointment of their insurers. Included were three death claims. In every case the dog owners never failed to tell me, at length, how their dog was the most wonderful, gentle pet and that they could not imagine what the victim did to provoke their dog. The next thing I usually heard was how the dog slept with their children and they would never have allowed this had the dog been vicious.

From this, I learned four things:

1. All owners love their dogs and believe their dogs are harmless;

2. All owners are blind to reality and fail to appreciate the danger their dogs pose to others;

3. Any dog can bite at any time or attack another dog at any time;

4. Large dogs bite harder, do more damage, and pose a greater danger than small dogs.

As a final observation, my clients who owned pit bulls were the worst offenders and failed to have any insight into the danger their dogs posed to others. Frankly, most of them were flaming as ....oles who should have been locked in a cage with someone else's pit bull!

Thank you
It all makes sense

[Topspinmo]

Pit Bulls are not a dangerous breed. Like any dog training and treatment are important. I'm more afraid of Chihuahua's which are listed most dangerous on many lists. Would you ban that breed as well? Breed banning is not the answer. It starts with the owner.


Let’s see how many Chili’s have causes deaths and near deaths? Zero, any animal can bit, but only few have the jaw power to break and sever limbs, I agree it not just pit bulls mixes, but they are at top of the danger list.

[Topspinmo]

The story of Diane Whipple and what happened here is mixing Apple and oranges.
Diane was killed by presa canarios and the owner was a white nationalist. Presa’s make pits look like puppies, the incident was ruled an intentional murder because Diane was gay.
Some Presa’s can weigh upwards of 190+ lbs how many of us villagers can control that. AND there was 2 not 1 dog attacking. The dogs were intentionally set on her, hence the murder conviction.
Hopefully there are no white nationalists living in the Villages, they wouldn’t like any of us.

Similar breeds, chip, off the same block, just like bears and horses. They are still bears and horses regardless of size.

You might want to read the whole article to who was the white nationals
Indictment Charges Pair With Murder in Mauling - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/28/us/indictment-charges-pair-with-murder-in-mauling.html)

[Taltarzac725]

Spanish Mastiff - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Mastiff)

A home owner's son up my street had one of these and I always avoided walking my chihuahua/terrier when he/she was out on the lawn. It was 120 lbs and a puppy and its poop was massive but all in their yard.

I did like to drive by a get a good look at the pooch though.

When we lived in Palm Harbor, FL our neighbor was renting from a criminal defense lawyer. This was one of a series of renters in the house who from their behavior seemed like they could have been past clients of the defense lawyer. The renter in this story was raising two pit bulls which he kept in cages in the garage. One day he took these two for a walk but did it by walking both of them from leashes hanging out of his car door which he drove around the neighborhood. One of these dog's paws were rubbed raw and a boy called the cops after seeing this. The cops followed the blood trail to the house next door to us.

The media got involved with all the major broadcasters covering the story and PETA and activists also got centered on this.

Just saying that there are some pretty bad "pit bull" owners out there. These two dogs seemed quite gentle when I would see them out of their cages.

A TRAIL OF BLOODY PAW PRINTS // 2 dogs dragged by car, 1 hurt (https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2003/04/23/a-trail-of-bloody-paw-prints-2-dogs-dragged-by-car-1-hurt/)

[Barefoot]

A chihuahua can be as aggressive as a German Shepherd. ITS NOT THE BREED!:agree:

[Spalumbos62]

I think the problem here is the owner not having the dog on a leash. If you are walking your dog or letting your dog outside for any reason, they should be leashed and controlled by the owner or inside a fencedTV yard. Can dogs be vicious? Yes. Will they attack other dogs, other animals, and humans? Yes. Simple control would have prevented the smaller dog from being hurt. I would personally hold the owner of the attacking dog responsible and provide them with a letter from the vet, a bill, and possibly a letter from an attorney letting them know they are responsible for all medical bills. I would also make a police report, as someone suggested, if a human was hurt during the situation, and animal control if the dog was the only one hurt.

I'm sorry, but I think the small dog owner is a fault here ...now. because they are not doing anything about it!
Obviously the pit needs to be handled, whatever way authority's feel fit. Once a bitter, always a bitter...you figure it out. But if this doesn't get reported...it will happen again, another little dog, at the very least, will be hurt. Good luck neighbors of this dog....I suggest you don't walk your dog, don't have your grand children visit and allow them to be outside. This dog has tasted blood....he will do it again.

[westernrider75]

40#? I only see 100# mentioned.

[jimjamuser]

A small (10 lb.) dog was attacked in our neighborhood the other night by an a large pit bull off leash. The small dog was very badly injured and only saved by his owner being willing to wrestle with the pit bull. The covenant restrictions of the Villages clearly do not allow dogs over 40 lbs. I am not necessarily in favor of that since there are many very nice, friendly labs, goldens etc. However, I do think that action should be taken when a larger dog shows itself to be dangerously aggressive. The Villages says that they cannot enforce the covenant. All they can do is send the owner of the pit bull a letter that when the dog passes away not to get another one like it. I am now very nervous when I walk my small dog at night. Perhaps the developer should consider amending the covenants to prohibit specific breeds known to be aggressive. For example, many campgrounds prohibit pit bulls and rotweillers.
Pit bulls should be prohibited everywhere in the US. They are a disaster and a lawsuit waiting to happen.

[jimjamuser]

CCW carrier would deal with that dog...if not..baseball bat
She could carry bear spray with her. Lighter than baseball or softball bat. Fits in a purse better, also!

[jimjamuser]

I have a pit bull, she’s a fantastic dog. Personally, I would not let her off leash in an uncontrolled environment. Btw, I’ve been bitten more often from little dogs like chihuahuas then larger breeds. In fact I’d venture to say that little dogs do bite more then larger dogs, you just don’t hear about it as often because they don’t do the damage that larger breeds can. To ban a certain breed is ludicrous, kind of like banning someone of a different color or ethnicity beacause they supposedly are more (insert whatever reason you want here) then others. Just like people, dogs are products of their environment and owners/parents. Flame away ������
This is like the debate about NATURE or NURTURE - genetic heredity or environmental training. Your particular individual dog MAY (?) be an outlier of the breed - may on the surface be friendly (to people) and have had GREAT environmental training. But, the DNA and breeding for dog violence are hidden just below the surface and ready to explode in some particular circumstance.

Pit Bulls were bred for hundreds of years for aggressive, violent dog behavior - not as a friendly, compliant pet and household companion. It is ridiculous to own that breed in a crowded urban environment like TV Land. If you do, you would be wise to just walk it outside on YOUR own property. Walking it on roads and common Village property you lose control of the situation and you invited problems and lawsuits. Find a farm that would take the animal and get yourself a more Village friendly breed. End of "flame".

[jimjamuser]

25+ Dog Bite Statistics 2020-2021 | Top Dog Bites by Breed (https://www.mkplawgroup.com/dog-bite-statistics/)
Their research indicates that the top 6 breeds that are reported along with bite injuries are:

“Unknown”
Pit Bull
Mixed Breed
German Shepherd
Terrier
Rottweiler

66% of Fatal Dog Bite Deaths Caused by Pit Bulls
That fact that 66% of fatal (to humans) attacks by dogs at due to Pit Bulls really stands out to me. I might have expected 25% - BUT 66%. That makes me stand by my statement that the Pit Bull breed should NOT be allowed in the whole US anywhere. Just like an invasive breed of fish or any other useless animal or plant, they should not be allowed inside the country. There are plenty of less aggressive breeds for a dog lover to choose from. A government's 1st responsibility is to keep its citizens safe - even from dangerous pets. You need a special license to own a lion or a tiger - there are GOOD reasons for that - because there are always individuals that would choose inappropriate pets. Your right to own a dangerous animal does NOT SUPERSEDE my right to not get KILLED or bitten.

[jimjamuser]

In the report you cite the following was written:

Which dog breeds are the most dangerous?

A common question when it comes to dog bites is:

Which breeds are the most dangerous?

The AVMA or American Veterinary Medical Association conducted an in-depth literature review to analyze existing studies on dog bites and serious injuries. Their findings indicate that there is no single breed that stands out as the most dangerous.

According to their review, studies indicate breed is not a dependable marker or predictor of dangerous behavior in dogs. Better and more reliable indicators include owner behavior, training, sex, neuter status, dog’s location (urban vs. rural), and even varying ownership trends over the passing of time or geographic location.

For example, they note that often pit bull-type dogs are reported in severe and fatal attacks. However, the reason is likely not related to the breed. Instead, it is likely because they are kept in certain high-risk neighborhoods and likely owned by individuals who may use them for dog fights or have involvement in criminal or violent acts.

Therefore, pit bulls with aggressive behavior are a reflection of their experiences.

Guess you missed that.
I disagree and say not to try to manipulate statistics. Junkyards use rottweilers and german shepherds and other mixed breeds as much or more than pit bulls. it is a statistic - not a lab experiment to determine inherent aggressive breeding.

[Joe V.]

I disagree and say not to try to manipulate statistics. Junkyards use rottweilers and german shepherds and other mixed breeds as much or more than pit bulls. it is a statistic - not a lab experiment to determine inherent aggressive breeding.

I manipulated nothing. If you actually read the post this is directly from the American Veterinary Medical Association.

[Taltarzac725]

Why I Love Pit Bulls | Cesar's Way (https://www.cesarsway.com/why-i-love-pit-bulls/)

This is written by someone who knows dogs very well.

[stebooo]

Im quite sure you have heard this before. Im quite sure you heard this before you bought a pit bull. You can't deny this is the make up of certain breeds.

[jklfairwin]

Animal control should be notified about this dog. The owners are usually given a warning.

[Nevermore]

Thank you
Well said

Breed specific legislation is stupid. And it is not a matter of time before a pittie bites. Every pit tie I have ever encountered was a sweetie. My friends pit bulls have been big couch potatoes. The only thing I feared was getting licked. An animal senses p

Of course, no animal should be off leash around people. I have not ever walked my dogs off leash. I need to protect them from people. My golden retriever is gorgeous and everyone wants to pet him. I tell them that in this pandemic I would prefer they not interact with her.

Pit bulls only get negative reviews. Some police departments are using them police dogs. If you look you will see pitties have saved families from fires, protected their owners, which every dog should do.

My German Shepard was always watching I was alone and someone like a worker was in my home. I told all of them that my dog was very friendly, but protective I just told them as long as he did not approach me suddenly and did not yell, it would be fine. And it always was.

You are 100% responsible for what your dogs do. When I see a large dog straining on his leash I pick up my small dogs. If a dog is straining on leash, he is not under his owners control.

Pitt should be trained with love and discipline and have them properly trained. You need to also be trained on proper ways to train them.

I had my shepherd trained for two weeks. He stayed at the trainers home. She came back calm and attentive and listened to everything I asked to do. She was a big girl and 120 pounds,
However she was not the alpha dog. My 10 pound doxie ruled the pack.

This is much longer then I intended it to be. The message I am trying to say is all dogs need to be trained, no matter the breed and Pitt bulls are wonderful pets.

[Topspinmo]

Use a 9 iron or wedge------cuts better


Let’s see? What did tiger’s wife use? Guess that’s why he can’t hit approach shot anymore??:)

[jimjamuser]

For 40 years I defended hundreds of homeowners/dog owners by appointment of their insurers. Included were three death claims. In every case the dog owners never failed to tell me, at length, how their dog was the most wonderful, gentle pet and that they could not imagine what the victim did to provoke their dog. The next thing I usually heard was how the dog slept with their children and they would never have allowed this had the dog been vicious.

From this, I learned four things:

1. All owners love their dogs and believe their dogs are harmless;

2. All owners are blind to reality and fail to appreciate the danger their dogs pose to others;

3. Any dog can bite at any time or attack another dog at any time;

4. Large dogs bite harder, do more damage, and pose a greater danger than small dogs.

As a final observation, my clients who owned pit bulls were the worst offenders and failed to have any insight into the danger their dogs posed to others. Frankly, most of them were flaming as ....oles who should have been locked in a cage with someone else's pit bull!
One of the most honest posts that I have read on this forum.

[jimjamuser]

Check the bite pressure/jaw strength of a Pit Bull against any other breed. That Chihuahua's bite may break your skin because of it's sharp teeth, but that Pit can take a hunk out of your neck. Of all dog breeds, which has the most critical/dangerous attributes in relationship to attacks?
Small dogs nip at your ankle. Large dogs that are bred to help hunters kill bears will go for your head and throat. I know which one I would prefer to attack me!

[jimjamuser]

I have to agree with you that it’s not always the size of the dog. We rescued a Pekingese. He bit a friend, my husband, small minor bites, however the third time he literally attacked my arm. He bit me in several places. He was friendly with other dogs, however one never knew when he would “turn” on us, so unfortunately after about $2000 in expenses of supplies, special food, vet bills, training and my Urgent Care visit, we retuned him to the rescue shelter. They adopted him out again to a lady with a young ( appears about 8) child! I did report it to the appropriate people.
Rescue dogs appear to be a good solution to unwanted pets. But, as you have reported all that was accomplished was a "passing along" of a problem pet. Yes, it itself lives on for a little longer, but look at the cost in time and $ to yourselves, the previous owners, and the next owners and maybe future owners. The dog is like a 3-time loser and has left a wake of sadness and costs. Small dogs are bred for their smallness, regardless of temperament. Medium-sized modern dog breeds like Spaniels are more likely to be bred for good temperament. Best to buy a puppy at about 6 weeks from birth (read up in the dog books about why 6 weeks) and choose a medium-sized breed known for good temperament. That will save you long term costs and give more satisfaction.

[jimjamuser]

You said the pit was off leash? Why? All dogs have to be on a leash. Why can’t the Villages fine, or get a warning from Animal Control?
Hope the little guy is okay.
I had a small Derbyshire pit, he was a lap dog..so it’s the owner who needs training!
Statistically, that is an N of 1. Not statistically meaningful. SO FAR, maybe (?) you were lucky or possibly conveniently misremembering some bad behavior?

[jimjamuser]

The aggressive dog owner should’ve been arrested and taken to jail. The dog should’ve been taken to quarantine and evaluated by a specialist.
Evaluated by a dog psychiatrist? That is actually pretty funny. I wonder if someone believes that such a thing actually exists?

[jimjamuser]

Or been an RN in an ICU unit caring for a 12 year old boy mauled by dog. I was with him for 2 nights as his nurse until he was transferred to a specialty medical center. I doubt he ever got over that experience emotionally.

Aggressive large dogs just don't belong in a retirement community. Too many possibilities for injury or death. The fact we would have to carry pepper spray just to take a walk around the community is absurd.
There are many reasons to carry mace in the Villages, 4 legged and others.

[jimjamuser]

I 1000% agree with you. When I walk my two dogs, 100lb each, it's always the little dogs that want to attack / bark at my dogs. Mine don't bark or do anything.

There are other dogs that are more "aggressive" than pits, and have stronger jaws than pits. Pitties are great dogs. Super sweet.
Statistically an N of 1. Do NOT buy a Pit Bull puppy based on 1 outlier that has YET to have a bad experience. The RISK is NOT worth it.

[jimjamuser]

We had a signed agreement with the rescue to return him for any reason as they are a no kill shelter.
A no-kill shelter sounds sssoooo liberating and thoughtful. But, it just as often recycles bad animals that give dogs a bad reputation. Sure there are some success stories and perfect matches. But, the average owner is MUCH better off starting with a clean slate - a well-bred puppy. In the long term, they cost the same, but the puppy gives a greater guarantee of satisfaction.

[jimjamuser]

Use a 9 iron or wedge------cuts better
The iron of choice to walk with would depend on your height.

[Taltarzac725]

Animal Services | Marion County, FL (https://www.marioncountyfl.org/departments-agencies/departments-a-n/animal-services)

I looked at the 68 dogs up for adoption at the Marion County Animal Services website and pretty much all but a few are "pit bull" or mixes that look like pit bulls.

Judge each dog by its own characteristics-- breed, temperament, personality, wounds, etc.

When we went looking for a pet in November of 2006 up in Marion County then too it was mostly "pit bull" mixes. My parents did not want anything that looked like a "pit bull".

We finally got a pet in late 2006 via the Sumter County Animal Services after many e-mails exchanged. It was a gentle chihuahua/terrier who loved to dig up moles, voles and gophers.

[jimjamuser]

Do not understand owners having dogs off leash big or small. Sets dogs up for failure. Had a small dog head toward me and my dog while off leash fast as a bullet. It was aggressive but all owner did was chuckle.
Dog typically not the issue. Owner behavior is.
Sometimes people laugh or "chuckle" to cover up their embarrassment, it is like Psy 101.

[Taltarzac725]

The iron of choice to walk with would depend on your height.


I use a five iron because it fits in my hand like a handle. It makes a good cane.

[Dgizzi]

Shoot the owner. The dog is mean cause of how it is treated. Put all dogs on a leash and keep them at home instead of bringing them EVERYWHERE! I love dogs, but am tired of tripping over them at the square or having to eat my meal with a dog sitting next to me. Why do people have to bring them everywhere? Dogs want to stay home and lay on a rug or their bed not cement. And they don’t need to be in a stroller. Just saying!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Small dogs nip at your ankle. Large dogs that are bred to help hunters kill bears will go for your head and throat. I know which one I would prefer to attack me!

A small dog's bite can sever an artery and cause you to bleed to death. A small dog can also jump on you, causing you to fall and break your neck and die. A small dog can also jump at you, causing you to step back and get run over by a car and die.

A small dog can also yap and yip every moment of every day that its owner isn't at home, causing you to become miserable, because there's no rule against dogs barking during the daytime. A medium-sized dog can knock over someone who has problems with their balance. A small dog can become aggressive toward a large dog, causing the large dog to defend itself. A small dog can become aggressive toward a person who has a large dog as a companion animal, causing the large dog to defend its human.

As has already been said - MANY of these so-called pitbull attacks weren't even pitbulls. People tend to confuse a number of different breeds with each other. Does it mean pitbulls aren't dangerous and even deadly when they bite? No, it doesn't mean that.

But this isn't about whether or not one breed or another is dangerous when it bites, is it? It's about singling out and vilifying one breed of dog, and completely dismissing the fact that EVERY dog has the potential to kill a person - if its owner is not responsible.

The threat of harm is exclusively within the dog-owner's control. If he has control over his pet, his pet will not cause harm. If he loses that control, the pet might cause harm. The same can be said for someone with a bottle of scotch and a gun.

[Bertram00]

I don't believe the covenants cannot be enforced. I think they just don't want to. They don't want to alienate anyone, including the substantial population of Villagers who like to complain about other things that are against the covenants but feel they are entitled to ignore the one limiting size and/or quantity of pets. Why would they want possible bad press which might harm the reputation of Florida's Friendliest Home Town?

[Pairadocs]

A small (10 lb.) dog was attacked in our neighborhood the other night by an a large pit bull off leash. The small dog was very badly injured and only saved by his owner being willing to wrestle with the pit bull. The covenant restrictions of the Villages clearly do not allow dogs over 40 lbs. I am not necessarily in favor of that since there are many very nice, friendly labs, goldens etc. However, I do think that action should be taken when a larger dog shows itself to be dangerously aggressive. The Villages says that they cannot enforce the covenant. All they can do is send the owner of the pit bull a letter that when the dog passes away not to get another one like it. I am now very nervous when I walk my small dog at night. Perhaps the developer should consider amending the covenants to prohibit specific breeds known to be aggressive. For example, many campgrounds prohibit pit bulls and rotweillers.

I agree with you, but.... someone has to be the one who allows people to adopt grey hounds and keep them, while knocks on the door of others telling them they, or their pet pit-bull or malamute must go ? How can they go by weight anyway ? That would mean if YOU allow your standard dachshund (maybe 25 #) to accompany you on your nightly run to Culver's, well,: do you throw out the owners who let him/her get obese, throw out the dog or make owners sell him or give them a certain period of time get get him on a diet and get back to 40# ? Or, just throw all of them out of the house they own ? We were told because we asked and were told: "we have a STRICT rule of not more than two dogs or cats per household... what a joke that was !

There is a bad trend starting compared to years ago, more every year. So many more people letting their dogs out without a leash, and many many people who allow their dogs to eliminate on the property of OTHER people, not their own lawn. Also the filth at some mail stations where people take their dogs to "eliminate". Why does the Villages designate areas right next to pools as "dog exercise areas" ? We have a miniature doxie and were shown our mail station and told it was an exercise area for dogs. I was a little skeptical, it was right next to a pool. I was right, the smell in summer, of the _____ some people do not want to take home, or they do pick up what they can but put it in the trash can by the postal station to "mature" in the sun...... ? Go figure

[Pairadocs]

I am thinking a smart lawyer can make this right.

Agreed, but like all law suits, how can you ever make up for a pet or the human owner being hurt, scarred, pain. I wonder if attorneys consider this an "accident" ? Seems far from an "accident" ! !

[Pairadocs]

Do not understand owners having dogs off leash big or small. Sets dogs up for failure. Had a small dog head toward me and my dog while off leash fast as a bullet. It was aggressive but all owner did was chuckle.
Dog typically not the issue. Owner behavior is.

Owner just laughs at you, well, I can't remember a week when a dog didn't come after me (some, yes, little things) and the owner just laughs when I run to get away. That never use to happen once a YEAR, yet alone once or twice a week while on walks !

[Pairadocs]

There are tons of cases reported where calm and relaxed pit bulls just like yours suddenly flip out and attack people and dogs, even infants in their own homes. That has nothing to do with their environment, it is in there genes and these dogs can cause crippling injuries and even death. I stay away from anything that even slightly resembles a pit bull as no one knows when they are going to attack someone.

You are telling the facts, and many people do not care for facts, they are attached to their emotions. Sadly it is not even rare to have a family "pet" attack a small child, even a baby in the crib. The same inerrant genetics that owners will deny to the end even in the face or horror; Roy in Las Vegas, the tigers all bred by them at home, and lived IN their home, like humans..... they kissed, hugged, and then Roy, after that tragic night that left him so permanently altered mentally and physically, continued to insist "he didn't mean it, he only meant to help me". It's tragic when people loose their own child to their "pet", how do they ever get over that, or do they ?

[Taltarzac725]

Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/community-standards/download.aspx)

Check the dog restrictions in your Village and/or District.

[vintageogauge]

You are telling the facts, and many people do not care for facts, they are attached to their emotions. Sadly it is not even rare to have a family "pet" attack a small child, even a baby in the crib. The same inerrant genetics that owners will deny to the end even in the face or horror; Roy in Las Vegas, the tigers all bred by them at home, and lived IN their home, like humans..... they kissed, hugged, and then Roy, after that tragic night that left him so permanently altered mentally and physically, continued to insist "he didn't mean it, he only meant to help me". It's tragic when people loose their own child to their "pet", how do they ever get over that, or do they ?

Just yesterday 3/17/21, a 3 year old boy from New Jersey was mauled to death by a neighbors 2 pitbulls and the boys mother is hospitalized from the attack. The report states that neither of these dogs had shown aggressive behavior in the past. The boy and his mother were in their own fenced in back yard at the time of the attack but the dogs somehow got through.. Search it to read the full report.

[Topspinmo]

How many cases makes just one "ton?"


Tons. Where do you think they got their reputation

[Topspinmo]

Why I Love Pit Bulls | Cesar's Way (https://www.cesarsway.com/why-i-love-pit-bulls/)

This is written by someone who knows dogs very well.

Opinion

[Polar Bear]

I love dogs. All breeds. And I attribute most bad dog behavior to their owners.

But imo to think that there is no variation between breeds regarding a possible tendency toward aggression is ignoring biological realities.

[Fredman]

Yes... but pit bulls if they chose to, can kill. Comparing a big, powerful dog to a small one is like comparing Mohamed Ali to a young child. They can both be friendly.

Well said

[Joe V.]

Tons. Where do you think they got their reputation


Some dogs are smart enough to reject close minded individuals.

[bobdeb]

I've had dogs all of my life. Grew up with collies. I've personally shared my life with a collie, Irish setter, a Newfoundland, two golden retrievers and now two small sweet dogs.

None of my dogs have ever bit anyone or showed any agression whatsoever. Note they were all sporting or working dogs. Two little ones a cockapoo and a cavapoo. Both 14 lbs.

I know of two pit bulls far from TV that seem very sweet. But I would never trust them around my pups.

Honestly, I don't get the type of mentality of someone who gets a, forgive the term, a guard or junkyard type dog.

My brother in law had a huge German Shepherd that scared me, and I'm not easily scared about dogs. Cause that's what he wanted. A vicious guard dog. That was his dog not all German Shepherd for sure. But there is still a Guard or protective type mentality in play

But that's just me I guess.

Had a woman walking a big dog near my golden. Her words about how friendly her dog was were hanging in the air as her dog bit my sweet female golden. She moved thankfully.

Now I don't trust any dog near my small ones.

[B-flat]

CCW carrier would deal with that dog...if not..baseball bat

Plus one!!

[LEREED15]

Do not use pepper spray - might hurt you and your dog.
Suggest walking w an electric prod - safe and easy to use.
I have used them when I worked in a kennel without problems

^^This. A simple small stun device works great - just the sound of it is usually enough to scare off aggressive animals and people. Can get them with a built-in flashlight as well, so does double duty for safety.

[Ptmckiou]

Back to the main issue...

We would not be talking about this had the Pit been on a leash. Period.

That is the ONLY problem.

On leash....no issue, no biting, no attacking, no nothing.

Pit owner needs to be retrained.

Every professional dog trainer I have met, says there are no bad dogs. There are only bad owners.

When you go to a trainer, the dog gets little training and it’s the owner that gets trained. Dogs are dogs and the owner has to know how to handle a powerful dog.

I have two dobermans. I would never have them in public off leash. They love people, but don’t like other dogs. Nevertheless, we always seem to meet a knucklehead with a tiny dog that’s off leash and comes running towards our dogs and they think the incoming dog is going to attack them. Wrangling 200lbs of dogs fearing they are going to be attacked by an unleashed pocketbook dog is scary! Keep your dogs ON LEASH and there are no problems.

Rant done.

[bobdeb]

Back to the main issue...

We would not be talking about this had the Pit been on a leash. Period.

That is the ONLY problem.

On leash....no issue, no biting, no attacking, no nothing.

Pit owner needs to be retrained.

Every professional dog trainer I have met, says there are no bad dogs. There are only bad owners.

When you go to a trainer, the dog gets little training and it’s the owner that gets trained. Dogs are dogs and the owner has to know how to handle a powerful dog.

I have two dobermans. I would never have them in public off leash. They love people, but don’t like other dogs. Nevertheless, we always seem to meet a knucklehead with a tiny dog that’s off leash and comes running towards our dogs and they think the incoming dog is going to attack them. Wrangling 200lbs of dogs fearing they are going to be attacked by an unleashed pocketbook dog is scary! Keep your dogs ON LEASH and there are no problems.

Rant done.

Well, yes, on the leash and the owners.

Two Dobies? One wasn't enough to scare the bejesus out of people?

And if they collectively tore into a tiny dog then they are aggressive. Did I miss that?

[Velvet]

Back to the main issue...

We would not be talking about this had the Pit been on a leash. Period.

That is the ONLY problem.

On leash....no issue, no biting, no attacking, no nothing.

Pit owner needs to be retrained.

Every professional dog trainer I have met, says there are no bad dogs. There are only bad owners.

When you go to a trainer, the dog gets little training and it’s the owner that gets trained. Dogs are dogs and the owner has to know how to handle a powerful dog.



Rant done.

First, you have to be strong enough with a leash to hold back a full on pull of a raging pit bull. Good luck with that! Second, large animals like say, American Staffs, a breed I am quite familiar with, need DAILY training, or behavioral review, if you want to be able to count on them regularly.

[CFrance]

Back to the main issue...

We would not be talking about this had the Pit been on a leash. Period.

That is the ONLY problem.

On leash....no issue, no biting, no attacking, no nothing.

Pit owner needs to be retrained.

Every professional dog trainer I have met, says there are no bad dogs. There are only bad owners.

When you go to a trainer, the dog gets little training and it’s the owner that gets trained. Dogs are dogs and the owner has to know how to handle a powerful dog.

I have two dobermans. I would never have them in public off leash. They love people, but don’t like other dogs. Nevertheless, we always seem to meet a knucklehead with a tiny dog that’s off leash and comes running towards our dogs and they think the incoming dog is going to attack them. Wrangling 200lbs of dogs fearing they are going to be attacked by an unleashed pocketbook dog is scary! Keep your dogs ON LEASH and there are no problems.

Rant done.
Rant accepted. We have a 13-yr-old golden retriever who loves people and other dogs, but I still wouldn't have him off leash anywhere public. For one thing, he'd love to chase (lumber, at his age) after a rabbit. For another thing, he's traffic-stupid. The third thing, it's the regulation.

[VApeople]

Now I don't trust any dog near my small ones.

I agree. I don't trust any dog at all.

[Velvet]

I had a goldie, gentle temperament, you could pull his teeth out without the dog biting. His main fault was that he would try to slowly sneak onto your lap, one paw, then the other paw, then a bit of upper body, and if you still let him, one hind foot, then the other. He thought that he was still a puppy, and you would not notice that a 78lb dog was lying on your lap. :) (How I loved that dog.)

[bobdeb]

I had a goldie, gentle temperament, you could pull his teeth out without the dog biting. His main fault was that he would try to slowly sneak onto your lap, one paw, then the other paw, then a bit of upper body, and if you still let him, one hind foot, then the other. He thought that he was still a puppy, and you would not notice that a 78lb dog was lying on your lap. :) (How I loved that dog.)

We shared our home with two female goldens, but at different times. We have wonderful, sweet little ones now, but I still ache over my beautiful goldens.

Beautiful, gentle, sweet, friendly, smart, loving dogs. I have their ashes and they will always be close with me.

[CFrance]

I had a goldie, gentle temperament, you could pull his teeth out without the dog biting. His main fault was that he would try to slowly sneak onto your lap, one paw, then the other paw, then a bit of upper body, and if you still let him, one hind foot, then the other. He thought that he was still a puppy, and you would not notice that a 78lb dog was lying on your lap. :) (How I loved that dog.)
Yep. Gentle giants. We've had more trouble with little dogs attacking our two goldens than any other dog. I think they are fear-aggressive when they haven't been properly socialized with all sizes of dogs.

The current one's best friend was a Rottie. There have been a couple of Yorkies and three doxies who truly wanted to kill him. Fortunately they all had been on leashes.

[Topspinmo]

Some dogs are smart enough to reject close minded individuals.

Some who trust certain breed off leash are asking to be manned.

[Ptmckiou]

Well, yes, on the leash and the owners.

Two Dobies? One wasn't enough to scare the bejesus out of people?

And if they collectively tore into a tiny dog then they are aggressive. Did I miss that?

We had a 50 acre ranch when we got the two dobies. They patrolled our property. They are old and still part of our family. They are our babies like any dogs.

How are they going to tear into a small dog when my dogs are never off leash? What happens when an off dog leash runs towards our dogs is our dogs want to try and get away from it. That creates havoc when a 100lb dog in a leash starts jumping around trying to get away from an unleashed dog heading towards them. Everyone keep your dogs on a leash, and no one has a problem.

[bobdeb]

One heck of either a very brave or a very numb little pooch.

[Eileenm]

It's how you train them. I have been bitten by little trappers. Most pit bulls are NOT aggressive.

[Gpsma]

Thank you for topping an oh so important post.

[Doro22]

For sure. Definitely agree. Just ask Judge Judy. In Miami/Dade County pit bulls are banned. So… many of these people with their pit bulls moved just over the Miami/Dade County line into Hollywood in Broward County. I lived in Hollywood and this is one of the reasons I left.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

A small (10 lb.) dog was attacked in our neighborhood the other night by an a large pit bull off leash. The small dog was very badly injured and only saved by his owner being willing to wrestle with the pit bull. The covenant restrictions of the Villages clearly do not allow dogs over 40 lbs. I am not necessarily in favor of that since there are many very nice, friendly labs, goldens etc. However, I do think that action should be taken when a larger dog shows itself to be dangerously aggressive. The Villages says that they cannot enforce the covenant. All they can do is send the owner of the pit bull a letter that when the dog passes away not to get another one like it. I am now very nervous when I walk my small dog at night. Perhaps the developer should consider amending the covenants to prohibit specific breeds known to be aggressive. For example, many campgrounds prohibit pit bulls and rotweillers.

I would shoot that dog… yes I carry.