View Full Version : Wildest information I heard on COVID vaccine
FG111
02-03-2021, 03:34 PM
Hello-
On a linky via xxxxx under one of the financial sites that shorted stocks like $GME, I read that Amazon """""MAY"""" be in early talks with the authorities that if granted permission and access to the certain COVID19 vaccine that doesn't require a sub-zero freezer, Amazon may come-up with the model where a customer may order, have delivered and have an Amazon paid medical technician inject an adult with the vaccine for a small administrative fee / profit fee right at their residence. This service would be directed primarily to those who cannot or unwilling to leave their home or those willing to pay an extra fee for the convenience.
Naturally this is just a rumor, but can you just imagine if a great company, such as Amazon gets involved on how quickly they can disburse the vaccine, especially when a financial incentive is involved.
retiredguy123
02-03-2021, 03:44 PM
Some will probably disagree, but I think the lack of a financial incentive, and the inability to charge to administer the vaccine has contributed to many of the problems associated with the slow distribution.
Stu from NYC
02-03-2021, 03:54 PM
Some will probably disagree, but I think the lack of a financial incentive, and the inability to charge to administer the vaccine has contributed to many of the problems associated with the slow distribution.
I would think that somehow companies like GMR are getting paid for administering the vaccine
retiredguy123
02-03-2021, 04:14 PM
I would think that somehow companies like GMR are getting paid for administering the vaccine
Probably. But, if they are being paid a fixed fee for administering a limited supply of the vaccine, where is the financial incentive to be efficient?
Stu from NYC
02-03-2021, 05:09 PM
Probably. But, if they are being paid a fixed fee for administering a limited supply of the vaccine, where is the financial incentive to be efficient?
If they are getting a fixed rate per shot they have all the reason in the world to be efficient drive down costs to make money.
If the govt is giving them a fixed total rate less cost more profit.
Either case they should want to earn a profit.
retiredguy123
02-03-2021, 05:40 PM
If they are getting a fixed rate per shot they have all the reason in the world to be efficient drive down costs to make money.
If the govt is giving them a fixed total rate less cost more profit.
Either case they should want to earn a profit.
Yes, but they have no incentive to satisfy the customers. So, people are wasting hours on websites and driving long distances to get the vaccine. I like the Amazon plan.
RaunchyRich
02-03-2021, 05:41 PM
Drink it , in a shot glass like the polio vaccine!
Stu from NYC
02-03-2021, 06:42 PM
Yes, but they have no incentive to satisfy the customers. So, people are wasting hours on websites and driving long distances to get the vaccine. I like the Amazon plan.
I do agree the rollout of the vaccine has been horrendously inefficient so far.
The lack of info on when more of the vaccine was coming for a few weeks never should have happened.
Mortal1
02-03-2021, 07:04 PM
Yawn....isn't it great when there's a rumor how many "intelligent" people jump on the band wagon with their theories?
If there's a logical reason why the roll out has been a problem just look at the effectiveness of governments in general.
Kenswing
02-03-2021, 07:22 PM
We don't have enough Covid threads running already? Now we're going to start debating the rumors too?
Shansonmarx
02-04-2021, 06:24 AM
Branching off topic but my husband and I are moving to The Villages in the near future, do you know if there are any Investment/Trading clubs? I trade Options daily and read you were looking at financials. Do you know if they have such a club?
MandoMan
02-04-2021, 06:34 AM
Some will probably disagree, but I think the lack of a financial incentive, and the inability to charge to administer the vaccine has contributed to many of the problems associated with the slow distribution.
Places administering the vaccinations may not charge US, but they are being paid a set fee by the government for each injection. Similarly, Medicare pays for flu vaccinations for those who have Medicare, right? But we the people pay for Medicare. Thus, we are all paying for the development of the vaccine and for its administration. If it turns out that we need to be vaccinated every year or get a booster, the drug companies will be charging much more, pharmacies and doctors’ offices will be charging, and insurance companies will be billed. This isn’t being done out of the goodness of people’s hearts. It makes money for all the companies and businesses involved.
RaunchyRich
02-04-2021, 06:37 AM
I heard There's a guy in a white robe behind Publix with a hijacked tractor trailer giving out vaccines and selling pints of cream cheese... seriously some of the postings on here are a little off kilter..,
J1ceasar
02-04-2021, 07:09 AM
There is no inefficiency in distribution of the vaccine. The only inefficiency is in the people who want the vaccine trying to get an appointment it's been about five weeks and about 25% of all seniors have gotten at least their first shot. Compare this to GM's new Corvette will only a few thousand people have gotten something they all want and probably the remaining 50,000 that want it all overpay
jbrown132
02-04-2021, 08:05 AM
Some will probably disagree, but I think the lack of a financial incentive, and the inability to charge to administer the vaccine has contributed to many of the problems associated with the slow distribution.
Back in 70’s there was a strain of flu that was deadly and the developed a vaccine for it and wanted to give everyone a vaccination for it. Where I lived local schools, fire stations and some public buildings were all opened and you went and got in line and they administered these shoots. There were multiple lines wherever you went and there were several people using some type of injection gun administering the shots. The lines moved rapidly and you were in and out in no time. There was no cost for the shot and never any discussion of money. Unfortunately today everything is about money and influence. Vaccinating people at Publix, CVS, Winn Dixie, Walgreens etc. is all about money. How many people go to these stores get a shot, which is free then go in and buy something while their there. These shots should be administered at mass vaccination sites, and no profit making scheme should be associated with it. I saw my doctor last week and he told me if they gave him a thousand doses, he would come in over a weekend and vaccinate everyone of his patients. No charge, no money involved. That reminds me of a time gone by where people did the right things for the right reasons.
merrymini
02-04-2021, 08:29 AM
A great company like amazon? They were settled and paid a $62 million charge because they withheld tips from their delivery drivers, the little people.
JanetMM
02-04-2021, 08:32 AM
Drink it , in a shot glass like the polio vaccine!
I hope you don’t mind a correction but the vaccine was on a sugar cube and we got to eat straight sugar! We didn’t drink it. Think of it! Mom and Dad let us chomp on a sugar cube- how cool was that?!
JanetMM
02-04-2021, 08:37 AM
Branching off topic but my husband and I are moving to The Villages in the near future, do you know if there are any Investment/Trading clubs? I trade Options daily and read you were looking at financials. Do you know if they have such a club?
There is a loooong list of all the clubs here in TV online but I do not remember exactly where. Try to Google “list of clubs in The Villages, FL” or perhaps on TV website. It is there online on it is over 2,000 clubs long. You will enjoy it here.
LOMDtrainman
02-04-2021, 08:37 AM
I would think that somehow companies like GMR are getting paid for administering the vaccine
Yes! companies like PUBLIX or others do get reimbursed for distributing the vaccine. Through Medicare or Medigap, as well as HMO's and PPO's.
Two Bills
02-04-2021, 08:57 AM
I still say that the shortage in Florida, was the casting of the net to wide, by starting the age limit at 65.
Such a large group was always going to be a problem.
JMO.
Hape2Bhr
02-04-2021, 09:06 AM
A great company like amazon? They were settled and paid a $62 million charge because they withheld tips from their delivery drivers, the little people.
Plus, if they disagree with your **** persuasion, they're liable to deny you a shot. :shocked:
Clark124
02-04-2021, 09:11 AM
Sometimes it's just about surviving the pandemic. I like to see everyone make money be prosperous etc. sometimes it's just about survival
Iowagirl2
02-04-2021, 09:12 AM
Has anybody else heard the rumor that it alters your DNA.??
RaunchyRich
02-04-2021, 09:16 AM
I hope you don’t mind a correction but the vaccine was on a sugar cube and we got to eat straight sugar! We didn’t drink it. Think of it! Mom and Dad let us chomp on a sugar cube- how cool was that?!
Yes some received the sugar cube but I distinctly remember drinking it out of a very tiny plastic cup .but then again I attended Catholic school... where drinking was popular
Two Bills
02-04-2021, 09:17 AM
Has anybody else heard the rumor that it alters your DNA.??
....and a mini tracking microchip from Bill Gates in every vaccination.
All on the internet, so must be true!:icon_wink:
RaunchyRich
02-04-2021, 09:19 AM
Has anybody else heard the rumor that it alters your DNA.??
No more than the power lines
allenpegg1@gmail.com
02-04-2021, 09:36 AM
That was cottage cheese - not creamed cheese...
RaunchyRich
02-04-2021, 09:39 AM
We don't have enough Covid threads running already? Now we're going to start debating the rumors too?
Are Undocumented Workers eligible for the vaccine? Are they afraid to get the vaccine?
newgirl
02-04-2021, 11:31 AM
They should let laypeople give it, anyone can be taught in 5 min and I am sure many would even volunteer. Nobody ever died from being pricked, they died because of what is in the needle.
jimjamuser
02-04-2021, 11:39 AM
Yes, but they have no incentive to satisfy the customers. So, people are wasting hours on websites and driving long distances to get the vaccine. I like the Amazon plan.
There would have been less wasted hours and traveling if there was a different system for who was eligible. 1st open vaccines up for over 85 people - then over 75 people - then over 65 people. By making the group anyone over 65, it was too many for the small number of doses delivered so far to Florida. It has caused confusion and hysteria!
shuffleboard
02-04-2021, 11:40 AM
Branching off topic but my husband and I are moving to The Villages in the near future, do you know if there are any Investment/Trading clubs? I trade Options daily and read you were looking at financials. Do you know if they have such a club?
There is an options trading club, meets every 2 weeks, (not now due to covid)
Joe
macawlaw
02-04-2021, 12:42 PM
I saw a funny meme about this three weeks ago. My guess is that this meme devolved into this rumor. However, think how fast we could all be vaccinated if the Amazon Prime guy was trained as a shot giver!
DAVES
02-04-2021, 01:00 PM
Places administering the vaccinations may not charge US, but they are being paid a set fee by the government for each injection. Similarly, Medicare pays for flu vaccinations for those who have Medicare, right? But we the people pay for Medicare. Thus, we are all paying for the development of the vaccine and for its administration. If it turns out that we need to be vaccinated every year or get a booster, the drug companies will be charging much more, pharmacies and doctors’ offices will be charging, and insurance companies will be billed. This isn’t being done out of the goodness of people’s hearts. It makes money for all the companies and businesses involved.
Making money. People are people. Many think they should get more, higher pay, bigger pension etc. These same people expect drug companies should invest many millions to develop new drugs. Pay for the tests to prove the drug is effective and safe and then give it away.
In terms of reading. We have yet to hear what it is costing us, at least the people who pay taxes per shot. I seem to recall reading that the Moderna shot costs less than the Pfizer shot. Each is about as effective and both require two shots. Also, Moderna was listed as American owned. Pfizer is owned by several nations. China is one, the others, if I recall are Japan, Germany, England and the US. The one from Johnson and Johnson is a one injection and less effective than the first two.
I doubt it was ever tested in the sort of test needed to bring a drug to market but, I've read you can take the Moderna and the the Pfizer as your second shot. Lasting immunity. Need for future boosters. Covid 19 has only been around for roughly a year.
Long term? Truth is we do not know. Yet, WE demand to know what is not known.
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Oldsalt
02-04-2021, 01:07 PM
Back in 70’s there was a strain of flu that was deadly and the developed a vaccine for it and wanted to give everyone a vaccination for it. Where I lived local schools, fire stations and some public buildings were all opened and you went and got in line and they administered these shoots. There were multiple lines wherever you went and there were several people using some type of injection gun administering the shots. The lines moved rapidly and you were in and out in no time. There was no cost for the shot and never any discussion of money. Unfortunately today everything is about money and influence. Vaccinating people at Publix, CVS, Winn Dixie, Walgreens etc. is all about money. How many people go to these stores get a shot, which is free then go in and buy something while their there. These shots should be administered at mass vaccination sites, and no profit making scheme should be associated with it. I saw my doctor last week and he told me if they gave him a thousand doses, he would come in over a weekend and vaccinate everyone of his patients. No charge, no money involved. That reminds me of a time gone by where people did the right things for the right reasons.
Yes. The old injection gun. It works. Remember it from Navy.
DAVES
02-04-2021, 01:15 PM
There would have been less wasted hours and traveling if there was a different system for who was eligible. 1st open vaccines up for over 85 people - then over 75 people - then over 65 people. By making the group anyone over 65, it was too many for the small number of doses delivered so far to Florida. It has caused confusion and hysteria!
There is no question there is confusion and hysteria.
I am glad that I am not the one who has to make the decision on how to do it. As we see on these posts for any plan there will be objections.
Confusion and hysteria? What is going on is sort of like people killing each other to get the latest toy, or ticket to a sporting event.
I am over 70 with a REAL pre-existing condition and to date have not been able to get a first. I called my doctor's office and was told they do not know but hope they will have the injections by March. The system? I will bet if they could there would be scalpers selling a place in line. So far while I've not been able to get my first shot the plan in this situation is working well. Nothing is or can be perfect.
shot
DAVES
02-04-2021, 01:25 PM
Are Undocumented Workers eligible for the vaccine? Are they afraid to get the vaccine?
I think they are. I am not pro-illegal emigration but, imagine. The guy in the kitchen, ????
mowing your grass, painting your home etc etc etc has say tuberculosis, covid 19 etc.
If, we choose to deny him medical care he is a disease spreader. There are diseases spread by insect bites, rat bites etc. They do not choose to only bite people that are in the US legally.
Vernon Hud
02-04-2021, 01:31 PM
Yes, there are such clubs in The Villages.
Stu from NYC
02-04-2021, 01:46 PM
There would have been less wasted hours and traveling if there was a different system for who was eligible. 1st open vaccines up for over 85 people - then over 75 people - then over 65 people. By making the group anyone over 65, it was too many for the small number of doses delivered so far to Florida. It has caused confusion and hysteria!
HySTERIA?
Spalumbos62
02-04-2021, 02:50 PM
Hello-
On a linky via xxxxx under one of the financial sites that shorted stocks like $GME, I read that Amazon """""MAY"""" be in early talks with the authorities that if granted permission and access to the certain COVID19 vaccine that doesn't require a sub-zero freezer, Amazon may come-up with the model where a customer may order, have delivered and have an Amazon paid medical technician inject an adult with the vaccine for a small administrative fee / profit fee right at their residence. This service would be directed primarily to those who cannot or unwilling to leave their home or those willing to pay an extra fee for the convenience.
Naturally this is just a rumor, but can you just imagine if a great company, such as Amazon gets involved on how quickly they can disburse the vaccine, especially when a financial incentive is involved.
I have been saying this for months...just get it to me and I will handle how its administration. People do their own insulin, botox for migraines... there are many that know how to inject. This could be handled so easily.
coffeebean
02-04-2021, 04:38 PM
Has anybody else heard the rumor that it alters your DNA.??
Silly rumor. Read about it.........
Will an mRNA vaccine alter my DNA? | Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance (https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/will-mrna-vaccine-alter-my-dna)
jimjamuser
02-04-2021, 06:47 PM
I think they are. I am not pro-illegal emigration but, imagine. The guy in the kitchen, ????
mowing your grass, painting your home etc etc etc has say tuberculosis, covid 19 etc.
If, we choose to deny him medical care he is a disease spreader. There are diseases spread by insect bites, rat bites etc. They do not choose to only bite people that are in the US legally.
This is a case of one wrong ( the original one of letting illegals into the US and giving them employment) - then followed by a 2nd wrong of giving them equal benefits as legal citizens (like equal access to vaccines) - then justifying the 2nd wrong by saying, "well, they are here now so we have to keep them here and give them equal benefits". I say that if they want a vaccine, then go back to their country of origin. In fact, if you do that we should be willing to give you a vaccine. That would be money well spent. Just stay away!
jimjamuser
02-04-2021, 06:53 PM
I have been saying this for months...just get it to me and I will handle how its administration. People do their own insulin, botox for migraines... there are many that know how to inject. This could be handled so easily.
How could they get it to you when the 2 main vaccines need to stay extremely cold? if they tried that then a lot of doses would be ruined by heat.
vinnytalk
02-04-2021, 07:14 PM
There will always be a company that will do it to save the people
GMC may not be that company.
chet2020
02-04-2021, 11:43 PM
They should let laypeople give it, anyone can be taught in 5 min and I am sure many would even volunteer. Nobody ever died from being pricked, they died because of what is in the needle.
Finding people to inject the vaccine is not the bottleneck. Most states are now reporting that they've got the infrastructure in place, they just need more vaccine. The pharma companies are the bottleneck at this point. If we get the Janssen vaccine on line, then we'll be rolling.
BTW, someone mentioned the Janssen (J&J) vaccine is less effective than the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines. This is true, in terms of not catching COVID-19. However, it is 100% effective in preventing hospitalization and death. If it comes down to it, I'll take the Janssen vaccine in a heartbeat.
Pmarlow
02-05-2021, 11:01 PM
Branching off topic but my husband and I are moving to The Villages in the near future, do you know if there are any Investment/Trading clubs? I trade Options daily and read you were looking at financials. Do you know if they have such a club?
Yes there are several to choose from. There are clubs for everything here.
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