Covid is going down BUT.....

[popbaby2]

After following many discussions in TOTV, I see there are still lots of COVID deniers. COVID is going down, but not very fast and it is still very much of a threat. It went way up over the holidays, as so many people travelled, partied etc. But look at this chart that I put together from data published on The Villages News, which they get from the government. It shows the 7 day average of new cases, and the trend line. Average new cases from July to October were under 10 - even in July. They have dropped from a daily high of 65 beginning of January to 30 over the past week. That is still too high everyone!!!!! Wear your masks, and try social distancing for awhile to see if we can beat this. This would be a terrible way to die. And the death rate for us over 65's is 5% and gets higher as you get older.

[John41]

Warmer weather should bring a reduction in the virus activity. It’s the variants that might keep us wearing masks for years.

[dhdallas]

After following many discussions in TOTV, I see there are still lots of COVID deniers. COVID is going down, but not very fast and it is still very much of a threat. It went way up over the holidays, as so many people travelled, partied etc. But look at this chart that I put together from data published on The Villages News, which they get from the government. It shows the 7 day average of new cases, and the trend line. Average new cases from July to October were under 10 - even in July. They have dropped from a daily high of 65 beginning of January to 30 over the past week. That is still too high everyone!!!!! Wear your masks, and try social distancing for awhile to see if we can beat this. This would be a terrible way to die. And the death rate for us over 65's is 5% and gets higher as you get older.

The only protection that really works is a N95 facemask that has been properly fitted, discarded & replaced routinely. All of your homemade cloth & surgical masks are of little to no help and can be potentially harmful. Once you wear a mask, that mask is now considered contaminated and should be discarded or disinfected with a bleach solution. If you touch the outside of the mask and touch your face, you just gave a contaminant a way inside your body. In reusing a mask you are breathing through a petri dish of bacteria and worse being fed with your warm humid exhalations.

Now that many people have been vaccinated or have natural immunity the "mask mandates for all" needs to be changed. Just those who have not been vaccinated or do not have natural immunity should wear a mask but one that works, as in a N95.

People who have been vaccinated or have natural immunity from having COVID (like I have) do not need to be masked; it would be pointless.

- David H. Dallas RN, EMT-P (retired)
I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support.

Getting erroneous & questionable information from the government and putting together homemade charts is not helping anyone but continuing to feed the hysteria & fear. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV and H1N1 and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases.

[Mortal1]

I have yet to meet a "denier", but there are many who refuse to live their lives according to "experts" who change the rules almost daily. Just because someone chooses not to wear a mask where it isn't required or requested does not make them a "denier" and no one should assume that they are no more than an individual who chooses not to respond to "the sky is falling" people who are scared $hitless.

If someone goes around without a mask and doesn't sneeze or cough on you or something you touch(and if you do touch I assume you're applying a sanitizing solution of at least 70% alcohol)then you have nothing to worry about.

[reneeallen4]

Stay home, stay safe if you fear covid

[DON10E]

The only protection that really works is a N95 facemask that has been properly fitted, discarded & replaced routinely. All of your homemade cloth & surgical masks are of little to no help and can be potentially harmful. Once you wear a mask, that mask is now considered contaminated and should be discarded or disinfected with a bleach solution. If you touch the outside of the mask and touch your face, you just gave a contaminant a way inside your body. In reusing a mask you are breathing through a petri dish of bacteria and worse being fed with your warm humid exhalations.

Now that many people have been vaccinated or have natural immunity the "mask mandates for all" needs to be changed. Just those who have not been vaccinated or do not have natural immunity should wear a mask but one that works, as in a N95.

People who have been vaccinated or have natural immunity from having COVID (like I have) do not need to be masked; it would be pointless.

- David H. Dallas RN, EMT-P (retired)
I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support.

Getting erroneous & questionable information from the government and putting together homemade charts is not helping anyone but continuing to feed the hysteria & fear. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV and H1N1 and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases.

I’ve read that vaccinated people can still be infected. They should be immune but I read they can carry the virus home or elsewhere and pass it to others who are still vulnerable. If true, shouldn’t they continue to wear a mask to reduce the potential to spread it?

[graciegirl]

Stay home, stay safe if you fear covid

I will say it for the thousandth time. It isn't fear. It is awareness that causes us to attempt to do all we can not to catch it.

It IS killing real people. Haven't you lost anyone you know or care about???

[MarcStephen]

While N95 masks are most effective, doctors I’ve spoken to say leave em for the hospitals and wear the three plys!

[danglanzsr]

It IS killing real people. Haven't you lost anyone you know or care about???

No, I haven't.

[Two Bills]

From all the research reports I have read, 3-6 months seems to be the consensus for antibody protection, before their effect begins to reduce.

[Scott O]

I will say it for the thousandth time. It isn't fear. It is awareness that causes us to attempt to do all we can not to catch it.

It IS killing real people. Haven't you lost anyone you know or care about???
And most of us are aware and go on with our daily lives as before...and I am not fearful either...

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

I will say it for the thousandth time. It isn't fear. It is awareness that causes us to attempt to do all we can not to catch it.

It IS killing real people. Haven't you lost anyone you know or care about???

Are you *really* doing all you can not to catch it? Have you only eaten the very healthiest of food?, have you exercised each and everyday (getting in at least 10K steps?), have you refrained from drinking alcohol and exposure to all carcinogens?, do you stay at or below your recommended weight? ..... you are demanding that people do everything not to catch it or become ‘spreaders’ - but - really - have you done everything you can do?
*** I am not saying you have to do anything - that is totally your choice .... I am just saying everyone should just demand the best of themselves. ***
All we really have the power to do is be kind and respect the opinions of others.

BTW - just from personal experience - I know MANY people who have died in the last year or two - from many things! I know of someone who fell in their home and died of complications from the fall - yet their cause of death stated ‘Covid’ - merely because they tested positive when admitted to the hospital. I know people in their 80s and 90s who have died of ‘Covid’ - but, I know the severe health issues they had been struggling with for many years. My opinion only - it is unfortunate that their last several months on earth weren’t as enriching as they should have been - because of all the fears and restrictions due to “Covid”. In my opinion, a 96 year old is going to die (it is a blessing they lived to 96!!!) why can’t we make their last weeks on earth as enjoyable as possible - we can’t because people are saying it is more important to fear a virus and stay locked up - than being comforted and surrounded by friends and family in their final days (yes, my opinion - we can and should wear masks to do that).

I am in my 70s and I wear a mask and distance in public - but, I am not angry or hateful of those who do not. I have travelled (by plane) and attended large gatherings many times in the past year - I have lived life - because I know I will die - maybe sooner than later. I want to live into my 80s and 90s - like those I know who have died this past year - but - I certainly do not want to die alone - with only strangers tending to me.

I welcome your opinions - but, please do not be critical of those who simply want to live life - in the short time they have left (and yes, we are doing that wearing mask).

[Girlcopper]

I’ve read that vaccinated people can still be infected. They should be immune but I read they can carry the virus home or elsewhere and pass it to others who are still vulnerable. If true, shouldn’t they continue to wear a mask to reduce the potential to spread it?
Yes, this virus is no diff than other flus you get vaccines for. It never proposed to insulate you against the virus, you were just open to a milder case and you can spread it.

[allsport]

I asked someone to put a mask on in the grocery store the other day and the scruffy, dirty old man said he did not believe in the virus. They are definitely around because they all watch the same news feed.

[dustflood]

No, I haven't.
I am so glad that it has not affected you as it has me. On January 9th I lost my husband to this damn virus so yes everyone needs to be scared.

[paulajr]

I will say it for the thousandth time. It isn't fear. It is awareness that causes us to attempt to do all we can not to catch it.

It IS killing real people. Haven't you lost anyone you know or care about???

No...I personally know NO ONE who has gotten really sick or died from COVID. Just the facts.
This whole thing is blown out of proportion. How many people pass away during a year..and how many people passed away this past year?
I bet the number is close.

[Travelhunter123]

The only protection that really works is a N95 facemask that has been properly fitted, discarded & replaced routinely. All of your homemade cloth & surgical masks are of little to no help and can be potentially harmful. Once you wear a mask, that mask is now considered contaminated and should be discarded or disinfected with a bleach solution. If you touch the outside of the mask and touch your face, you just gave a contaminant a way inside your body. In reusing a mask you are breathing through a petri dish of bacteria and worse being fed with your warm humid exhalations.

Now that many people have been vaccinated or have natural immunity the "mask mandates for all" needs to be changed. Just those who have not been vaccinated or do not have natural immunity should wear a mask but one that works, as in a N95.

People who have been vaccinated or have natural immunity from having COVID (like I have) do not need to be masked; it would be pointless.

- David H. Dallas RN, EMT-P (retired)
I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support.

Getting erroneous & questionable information from the government and putting together homemade charts is not helping anyone but continuing to feed the hysteria & fear. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV and H1N1 and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases.

You may be right, however in an abundance of caution I will continue to wear a mask as our scientists and president have advised.
I wear a mask to protect myself but more importantly out of respect for others

[Jacob85]

The.experts say that you need to wear a mask after being vaccinated because they do not know if you can pass it on to others even if it doesn’t make you sick. You could give the virus to a loved one or a friend even after being fully vaccinated.

[PJackpot]

If you’re a Kansas City fan, I recommend you stay home. It’s dangerous out there. You could get Covid and die. Sincerely, Tampa Bay/Brady fan.

[jg29566]

I have read that after having the virus you may be immune around 3 mo and after being fully vaccinated around 4 mo. My question is so do we need to go through all of the vaccination steps every 4 months?!?

[Pat2015]

No, I haven't.

Nor have I. I don’t deny the virus is real, but my life has continued on mostly as it was before this all started with outdoor activities here and just wearing a mask in the stores. Glad we live in a place that hadn’t been locked down and that the kids here have been in school where they belong.

[Bill14564]

No...I personally know NO ONE who has gotten really sick or died from COVID. Just the facts.
This whole thing is blown out of proportion. How many people pass away during a year..and how many people passed away this past year?
I bet the number is close.

Is this chart (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-death-count?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&region=World) which compares the number of weekly deaths over several years what you are asking about?

[merrymini]

Unrelenting fear mongering from the media is driving this.
I would not listen to the “medical experts” because they do not know which end is up.
Long term effects can happen with a vaccine which was developed 10 minutes ago.
I have know many people, of many ages, who got the virus and fully recovered. It is a flu.
It is good to take precautions.
It is most dangerous for people who or ill or debilitated, if you are not one of these, you should be okay.
Hope you leave lots of money to your grandchildren to pay the debt.
And I am really, really sick of hearing about it.

[J1ceasar]

Just breathing in and out releases germs and tacks and germs to up to 6 ft according to many people. Just because you feel well does not mean you don't have covid germs in your body. And yes I have plenty of things to worry about in the world. Is global warming real, will my money last my retirement, will I have my fifth heart attack will I outlive my wife well some stupid senior hit me with their car tomorrow. So yes there's plenty of life to worry about but I would worry less if you wear a mask, any mask I really don't care at least it's something better than nothing. But the reality is if you'd stay in your house and not go dancing with a thousand other people who would make my life a lot safer and easier. Even with the vaccine they will always be a chance I'm catching covid and dying

[Mikee1]

The original stated purpose of masks was to prevent you from spreading it to others. It was said it would stop spittal, etc from being dispersed into the air. Now folks are saying to wear masks to keep from catching it. A N95 mask has exhaust vent ports built in so it does nothing to stop you from dispersing droplets into the air. The reality the germ is smaller than and filtering provided by any mask. So by who and why did the mask wearing benefit change?

[Villages Kahuna]

After following many discussions in TOTV, I see there are still lots of COVID deniers. COVID is going down, but not very fast and it is still very much of a threat. ... the 7 day average of new cases, and the trend line. ...Wear your masks, and try social distancing for awhile to see if we can beat this. ... the death rate for us over 65's is 5% and gets higher as you get older. Thanks for the charts, and particularly for again reinforcing the mask-distance recommendation of virtually every doctor and medical organization. If we get our shots, wear masks and stay apart, we’ll have COVID beaten by the Fourth of July!!

[sooziesoul]

Actually No! I don’t know anyone who died OF COVID !

[haysus7]

So sorry for the loss of your husband. Sincere condolences

[Villages Kahuna]

So by who and why did the mask wearing benefit change? The new variants of the virus that are rapidly moving across the country are far more transmissible than the original COVID. That’s why the new recommendations for the more effective N95 or KN95 masks.

[sooziesoul]

Actually we are all dying at some point!!

[Villages Kahuna]

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If someone goes around without a mask and doesn't sneeze or cough on you or something you touch(and if you do touch I assume you're applying a sanitizing solution of at least 70% alcohol)then you have nothing to worry about. Please, please, just wear one for the rest of us. If we’d all just be a community thinking of one another, we’d have the original virus and probably the variants beaten by the Fourth of July. Is that too much to ask, neighbor?

[Bill14564]

Seems like we have "just four more months to flatten the curve" facing off with "been there, done that, bought the T-shirt."

it would be interesting to see an analysis of mask wearing and shutdowns between different populations in the US; perhaps CA or NY compared with FL. It would also be interesting to see actual data on mask wearing and social distancing in our area. If masks were the answer then there should be some correlation between states with strict mandates and states without mandates. If the correlation does not appear, if states seem to be affected similarly regardless of compliance with mask wearing, then maybe we need to look for a better solution.

[sasman29]

Thank you for that. Now i know why surgeons don't wear bandannas in the OR

[Iowagirl2]

People who have been vaccinated or have natural immunity from having COVID (like I have) do not need to be masked; it would be pointless.

- David H. Dallas RN, EMT-P (retired)
I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support.

Dhdallas

Out of curiosity how do you know you have a natural immunity from having Covid?

[fastboat]

After following many discussions in TOTV, I see there are still lots of COVID deniers. COVID is going down, but not very fast and it is still very much of a threat. It went way up over the holidays, as so many people travelled, partied etc. But look at this chart that I put together from data published on The Villages News, which they get from the government. It shows the 7 day average of new cases, and the trend line. Average new cases from July to October were under 10 - even in July. They have dropped from a daily high of 65 beginning of January to 30 over the past week. That is still too high everyone!!!!! Wear your masks, and try social distancing for awhile to see if we can beat this. This would be a terrible way to die. And the death rate for us over 65's is 5% and gets higher as you get older.

I have seen CDC numbers in December that corroborate this.

Before you review the Food For Thought ... I found these number interesting. As reported by the CDC ... Here are the US deaths by year and the change from the previous year

Year 2017 2,818,503 Americans died

Year 2018: 2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017)

Year 2019: 2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018)

The year of the pandemic ...

Year 2020: 2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019)

BUT WAIT: There were zero deaths from Covid-19 during 2018, and 2019 and the jump from 2019 was only 57,641 ???

I've been told that Covid is responsible for now 400,000 + deaths. Shouldn't the 2020 number be a hell of a lot higher?

So the question becomes: How many people died OF COVID and How many died (of other causes) WITH Covid?:boom:

[banjobob]

I have read ,true or not but makes sense. “ The testing for covide is done by degrees , test is set to detect the very smallest of any known presence of the virus, thus many positive test and so many false positives. Not to say the virus is not very serious but with so many testing with very minor or no effects of the virus the constant death headlines just fuels anxiety.

[Bill14564]

I have seen CDC numbers in December that corroborate this.

Before you review the Food For Thought ... I found these number interesting. As reported by the CDC ... Here are the US deaths by year and the change from the previous year

Year 2017 2,818,503 Americans died

Year 2018: 2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017)

Year 2019: 2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018)

The year of the pandemic ...

Year 2020: 2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019)

BUT WAIT: There were zero deaths from Covid-19 during 2018, and 2019 and the jump from 2019 was only 57,641 ???

I've been told that Covid is responsible for now 400,000 + deaths. Shouldn't the 2020 number be a hell of a lot higher?

So the question becomes: How many people died OF COVID and How many died (of other causes) WITH Covid?:boom:

Please provide a link to your CDC numbers. I believe those numbers have been fact-checked as misleading.

Here is a link to a CDC page (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm) showing far more than 57,000 additional deaths in 2020.

Here is another graph from a different site (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-death-count?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&region=World) that might be easier to read.

[b1ll649]

If you look at the annual increases in deaths, it would be expected to go up about 20,000 or so. With Covid in 2020, the 57,000 more deaths also includes increased suicides, drug overdoses and murders all caused by lock downs and restrictions on daily life. I think Covid has caused some to die but no where near the number that gets reported over the past year.

[Aloha1]

From all the research reports I have read, 3-6 months seems to be the consensus for antibody protection, before their effect begins to reduce.

We are only 6 weeks into widespread distribution of the vaccines and only 3 weeks into 2nd shots given. It is way too early to tell just what the longevity of the antibodies are but remember the MRNA teaches your immune system (T cells) to respond to actual Covid if you get it by making more antibodies.

[Bill14564]

If you look at the annual increases in deaths, it would be expected to go up about 20,000 or so. With Covid in 2020, the 57,000 more deaths also includes increased suicides, drug overdoses and murders all caused by lock downs and restrictions on daily life. I think Covid has caused some to die but no where near the number that gets reported over the past year.

According to this data directly from the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm) the number of deaths had already increased by more than 20,000 by June 2020. The numbers fastboat provides, at least for 2020 deaths, appear to be incorrect.

[Byte1]

Get the vaccination or don't get it. Wear a mask or don't wear a mask. Go out or cower at home. Your decision, but don't presume to demand that others conform to whatever standard you insist is better than the norm. You all don't seem to get it. I don't modify my lifestyle for your convenience. I had no intention of getting the vaccination until I did some research on it. I decided that it was not dangerous and since I was helping my spouse secure her shots, I found it convenient to go ahead and get mine at the same time. I do not believe that I would have ever become infected, and figured that even if I did, I would shrug it off in a few days. I wear a mask when there is a sign on the door of the business. Once I get my second shot, I will get the flimsiest and thin mask I can find and carry it if I am out shopping in case it is required to enter a business. Many of you demanded that other folks "protect" you by wearing a mask. Now, there will be no reason to think that I am going to infect you because I won't have the virus. I don't have it now, and haven't had it. But, most of you run amok in hysteria thinking that everyone around you is infected.
So, do what you wish to protect yourselves because it is not anyone else's responsibility to take care of you.

[Al2014]

never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases.
It seems to me that this is now standard procedure for all the breaking news on talk show media channels.

[mlmarr1]

After following many discussions in TOTV, I see there are still lots of COVID deniers. COVID is going down, but not very fast and it is still very much of a threat. It went way up over the holidays, as so many people travelled, partied etc. But look at this chart that I put together from data published on The Villages News, which they get from the government. It shows the 7 day average of new cases, and the trend line. Average new cases from July to October were under 10 - even in July. They have dropped from a daily high of 65 beginning of January to 30 over the past week. That is still too high everyone!!!!! Wear your masks, and try social distancing for awhile to see if we can beat this. This would be a terrible way to die. And the death rate for us over 65's is 5% and gets higher as you get older.

👎 be in charge of your own selfcare.. when did you start.. just asking..

[joelfmi]

I have been say for months that the N95 mask used for contagious diseases is the best Medical mask for covid I don't for the life of me why CDC is not telling people to use the N95. The surgical masks and home made cloth masks are the worst for protection from virus transmission. If your care about not getting covid 19 in PUBLIC PLACES BUY THE N95 THIS COMES WITH HANDS ON EXPERIECE WORKING IN NYC HOSPITALS FOR 26 YEARS

[jimjamuser]

Warmer weather should bring a reduction in the virus activity. It’s the variants that might keep us wearing masks for years.
The British variant is said to take over in the US around June. It has produced cases close to TV Land recently.

[jimjamuser]

The only protection that really works is a N95 facemask that has been properly fitted, discarded & replaced routinely. All of your homemade cloth & surgical masks are of little to no help and can be potentially harmful. Once you wear a mask, that mask is now considered contaminated and should be discarded or disinfected with a bleach solution. If you touch the outside of the mask and touch your face, you just gave a contaminant a way inside your body. In reusing a mask you are breathing through a petri dish of bacteria and worse being fed with your warm humid exhalations.

Now that many people have been vaccinated or have natural immunity the "mask mandates for all" needs to be changed. Just those who have not been vaccinated or do not have natural immunity should wear a mask but one that works, as in a N95.

People who have been vaccinated or have natural immunity from having COVID (like I have) do not need to be masked; it would be pointless.

- David H. Dallas RN, EMT-P (retired)
I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support.

Getting erroneous & questionable information from the government and putting together homemade charts is not helping anyone but continuing to feed the hysteria & fear. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV and H1N1 and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases.
I disagree with everything expressed there.

[jimjamuser]

I have yet to meet a "denier", but there are many who refuse to live their lives according to "experts" who change the rules almost daily. Just because someone chooses not to wear a mask where it isn't required or requested does not make them a "denier" and no one should assume that they are no more than an individual who chooses not to respond to "the sky is falling" people who are scared $hitless.

If someone goes around without a mask and doesn't sneeze or cough on you or something you touch(and if you do touch I assume you're applying a sanitizing solution of at least 70% alcohol)then you have nothing to worry about.
I "DENY" the opinions expressed herein.

[Two Bills]

Double post.

[GPGuar]

I asked someone to put a mask on in the grocery store the other day and the scruffy, dirty old man said he did not believe in the virus. They are definitely around because they all watch the same news feed.

Did he say that he didn’t believe in the virus OR did he say that he didn’t believe in wearing a mask? Perhaps he got a little annoyed when asked to wear a mask when he just doesn’t believe in them. If the store that you both were in does not require them, then you don’t have much to complain about.

[jimjamuser]

I’ve read that vaccinated people can still be infected. They should be immune but I read they can carry the virus home or elsewhere and pass it to others who are still vulnerable. If true, shouldn’t they continue to wear a mask to reduce the potential to spread it?
That is true and the recommendation of Health Experts. The vaccine prevents hospitalization and death for the person vaccinated. But, still - keep your mask on until herd immunity has dropped CV positive cases to below 2%. Then it is possible to return to "NORMAL"

[coffeebean]

No...I personally know NO ONE who has gotten really sick or died from COVID. Just the facts.
This whole thing is blown out of proportion. How many people pass away during a year..and how many people passed away this past year?
I bet the number is close.

My barometer in this pandemic is how many hospitals all over the country had maxed out and turned patients away. Other horrendous circumstances out there with the medical community having to make decisions as to who to treat and who not to treat, patients waiting HOURS to be off loaded from ambulances because there was no room for them in the hospitals, refrigerator trucks being utilized as make-shift morgues, hospital beds set up in parking lots in tents and ramp garages. These all occurred right here in our country. These scenarios are my barometer. In a normal year of deaths, these scenarios have never occurred. That tells me one thing. What does it tell you?

[jimjamuser]

While N95 masks are most effective, doctors I’ve spoken to say leave em for the hospitals and wear the three plys!
When the recently enacted DPA kicks in, we will all soon have N-95 masks or equivalent.

[Two Bills]

We are only 6 weeks into widespread distribution of the vaccines and only 3 weeks into 2nd shots given. It is way too early to tell just what the longevity of the antibodies are but remember the MRNA teaches your immune system (T cells) to respond to actual Covid if you get it by making more antibodies.

My bad.
Forgot to put link to which my post referred.

""People who have been vaccinated or have natural immunity from having COVID (like I have) do not need to be masked; it would be pointless."""

[JoMar]

I disagree with everything expressed there.

I agree, nowhere in that post do the indicate any degree as a doctor or immunologist or have done any research in the disease or vaccines or have worked in the field of COVID. There are a whole lot of more educated and smarter folks out there that would laugh this view out of the room. There are nurses and other medical personnel who take the ignorant path because after all, they are human and like many, read the internet and form their opinions through opinions of anyone they agree with or that disagree with the science. We are still on a learning curve but I will take the steps asked of me by the science and those that actually study and work it.

[jimjamuser]

And most of us are aware and go on with our daily lives as before...and I am not fearful either...
And many are "UNAWARE"! That's why the USA has the biggest CV problem in the world - we are # 1 , yeah! And the "deniers" are making things worse.

[jimjamuser]

Are you *really* doing all you can not to catch it? Have you only eaten the very healthiest of food?, have you exercised each and everyday (getting in at least 10K steps?), have you refrained from drinking alcohol and exposure to all carcinogens?, do you stay at or below your recommended weight? ..... you are demanding that people do everything not to catch it or become ‘spreaders’ - but - really - have you done everything you can do?
*** I am not saying you have to do anything - that is totally your choice .... I am just saying everyone should just demand the best of themselves. ***
All we really have the power to do is be kind and respect the opinions of others.

BTW - just from personal experience - I know MANY people who have died in the last year or two - from many things! I know of someone who fell in their home and died of complications from the fall - yet their cause of death stated ‘Covid’ - merely because they tested positive when admitted to the hospital. I know people in their 80s and 90s who have died of ‘Covid’ - but, I know the severe health issues they had been struggling with for many years. My opinion only - it is unfortunate that their last several months on earth weren’t as enriching as they should have been - because of all the fears and restrictions due to “Covid”. In my opinion, a 96 year old is going to die (it is a blessing they lived to 96!!!) why can’t we make their last weeks on earth as enjoyable as possible - we can’t because people are saying it is more important to fear a virus and stay locked up - than being comforted and surrounded by friends and family in their final days (yes, my opinion - we can and should wear masks to do that).

I am in my 70s and I wear a mask and distance in public - but, I am not angry or hateful of those who do not. I have travelled (by plane) and attended large gatherings many times in the past year - I have lived life - because I know I will die - maybe sooner than later. I want to live into my 80s and 90s - like those I know who have died this past year - but - I certainly do not want to die alone - with only strangers tending to me.

I welcome your opinions - but, please do not be critical of those who simply want to live life - in the short time they have left (and yes, we are doing that wearing mask).
It is possible to "live life" and still stay safe yourself and help keep others around you safe. The problem is the hardcore DENIERS that, apparently, think that EVERYONE should simply ignore a GLOBAL PANDEMIC which kills 5% of all the over 65 people that it can. And the NEW variants are more DEADLY!

Vaccines are coming for all who will take them in the US. So, soon after that we likely will go back to normal - be patient, grasshopper.

[Careyjan]

I know several people in The Villages that have tested positive with no symptoms. They are part of the scary statistics. Yes, some people get very sick but many have few if any symptoms.

[jimjamuser]

No...I personally know NO ONE who has gotten really sick or died from COVID. Just the facts.
This whole thing is blown out of proportion. How many people pass away during a year..and how many people passed away this past year?
I bet the number is close.
Cases and deaths are still high. It will rise after Super Bowl - AKA Super Spreader Bowl. TV Land will be divided into those who attend house parties and those who don't - the deniers versus those that believe in reality, risk calculation, and caution. You choose.

[jimjamuser]

I have read that after having the virus you may be immune around 3 mo and after being fully vaccinated around 4 mo. My question is so do we need to go through all of the vaccination steps every 4 months?!?
Possibly? But, once per year is more likely according to most experts.

[jimjamuser]

Unrelenting fear mongering from the media is driving this.
I would not listen to the “medical experts” because they do not know which end is up.
Long term effects can happen with a vaccine which was developed 10 minutes ago.
I have know many people, of many ages, who got the virus and fully recovered. It is a flu.
It is good to take precautions.
It is most dangerous for people who or ill or debilitated, if you are not one of these, you should be okay.
Hope you leave lots of money to your grandchildren to pay the debt.
And I am really, really sick of hearing about it.
Seriously wrong!

[jimjamuser]

The original stated purpose of masks was to prevent you from spreading it to others. It was said it would stop spittal, etc from being dispersed into the air. Now folks are saying to wear masks to keep from catching it. A N95 mask has exhaust vent ports built in so it does nothing to stop you from dispersing droplets into the air. The reality the germ is smaller than and filtering provided by any mask. So by who and why did the mask wearing benefit change?
CV droplets travel on water vapor drops from breathing. They are large enough to be stopped by masks. That is even common knowledge known since last year.

[kenoc7]

The only protection that really works is a N95 facemask that has been properly fitted, discarded & replaced routinely. All of your homemade cloth & surgical masks are of little to no help and can be potentially harmful. Once you wear a mask, that mask is now considered contaminated and should be discarded or disinfected with a bleach solution. If you touch the outside of the mask and touch your face, you just gave a contaminant a way inside your body. In reusing a mask you are breathing through a petri dish of bacteria and worse being fed with your warm humid exhalations.

Now that many people have been vaccinated or have natural immunity the "mask mandates for all" needs to be changed. Just those who have not been vaccinated or do not have natural immunity should wear a mask but one that works, as in a N95.

People who have been vaccinated or have natural immunity from having COVID (like I have) do not need to be masked; it would be pointless.

- David H. Dallas RN, EMT-P (retired)
I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support.

Getting erroneous & questionable information from the government and putting together homemade charts is not helping anyone but continuing to feed the hysteria & fear. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV and H1N1 and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases.
"All of your homemade cloth & surgical masks are of little to no help and can be potentially harmful."
NOT TRUE as attested to by public health experts. These are the masks most people are wearing and, quite apart from COVID, teor value is proved by the minimal amount of flu and colds this winter.

[coffeebean]

The original stated purpose of masks was to prevent you from spreading it to others. It was said it would stop spittal, etc from being dispersed into the air. Now folks are saying to wear masks to keep from catching it. A N95 mask has exhaust vent ports built in so it does nothing to stop you from dispersing droplets into the air. The reality the germ is smaller than and filtering provided by any mask. So by who and why did the mask wearing benefit change?

There are vented N95 masks and NON vented N95 masks. In a global pandemic, do not wear any vented mask. The vent is a one way vent which protects the wearer of the mask. The vented mask allows all exhaled air including virus is that person is infected with Covid into the environment. We were told back in March 2020 not to wear any vented mask for this reason.

[Wizie1949]

The only protection that really works is a N95 facemask that has been properly fitted, discarded & replaced routinely. All of your homemade cloth & surgical masks are of little to no help and can be potentially harmful. Once you wear a mask, that mask is now considered contaminated and should be discarded or disinfected with a bleach solution. If you touch the outside of the mask and touch your face, you just gave a contaminant a way inside your body. In reusing a mask you are breathing through a petri dish of bacteria and worse being fed with your warm humid exhalations.

Now that many people have been vaccinated or have natural immunity the "mask mandates for all" needs to be changed. Just those who have not been vaccinated or do not have natural immunity should wear a mask but one that works, as in a N95.

People who have been vaccinated or have natural immunity from having COVID (like I have) do not need to be masked; it would be pointless.

- David H. Dallas RN, EMT-P (retired)
I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support.

Getting erroneous & questionable information from the government and putting together homemade charts is not helping anyone but continuing to feed the hysteria & fear. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV and H1N1 and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases.. So do you consider yourself more informed and educated and experienced than the doctors on the Corona task force?

[jimjamuser]

Please, please, just wear one for the rest of us. If we’d all just be a community thinking of one another, we’d have the original virus and probably the variants beaten by the Fourth of July. Is that too much to ask, neighbor?
USA is becoming United Selfish of America. Remember the movie where "greed is good". The US of A is the worst country in the world for CV. We are all living through this HELL - directly due to greed, selfishness, and lack of empathy. Florida and TV Land are laggards, not leaders in protecting their citizens from CV. The Super Spreader Bowl and newer variants will just add to our little local HELL!

[jimjamuser]

Well, I'm pretty much a "denier". I'm not saying it doesn't exist. But, Covid is nothing worse than the seasonal flu including the fact that the flu strains change all the time. I don't recall mandates that people wear masks during flu season or kids wear masks at school. People got the flu vaccine as a personal decision and no one shamed them as if it was a community decision. This is all about population control and massive mail-in ballot fraud. Furthermore, I'm also an "anti-vaxxer". If you see fit to put a mRNA (messenger RNA) gene therapy (not a vaccine) into your arm, who am I to say that you can't risk your health and life doing that. Just don't try to tell other that they have to do it.

If there is some political mandate that people should get the mRNA shot for the protection of others, then all abortions should stop immediately for the safety of the child.

Ooops, was that policital? Seems more religious to me.
That was disinformation at a very DANGEROUS level. Pretty close to an A through Q level. I hope to be the exact opposite.

[WinnieHa]

So many seem to think their expertise is superior to that of the CDC. It is still a CDC recommendation to wear a mask. The rest of the world thinks we’ve lost our minds on this. I continue to have absolutely no problem wearing a mask and find this discussion so tiresome.... but ironically not tiresome enough not to respond. 😆

[jimjamuser]

I have seen CDC numbers in December that corroborate this.

Before you review the Food For Thought ... I found these number interesting. As reported by the CDC ... Here are the US deaths by year and the change from the previous year

Year 2017 2,818,503 Americans died

Year 2018: 2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017)

Year 2019: 2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018)

The year of the pandemic ...

Year 2020: 2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019)

BUT WAIT: There were zero deaths from Covid-19 during 2018, and 2019 and the jump from 2019 was only 57,641 ???

I've been told that Covid is responsible for now 400,000 + deaths. Shouldn't the 2020 number be a hell of a lot higher?

So the question becomes: How many people died OF COVID and How many died (of other causes) WITH Covid?:boom:
There is a previous post in this thread that has a graph that answers your question completely.

[jimjamuser]

Get the vaccination or don't get it. Wear a mask or don't wear a mask. Go out or cower at home. Your decision, but don't presume to demand that others conform to whatever standard you insist is better than the norm. You all don't seem to get it. I don't modify my lifestyle for your convenience. I had no intention of getting the vaccination until I did some research on it. I decided that it was not dangerous and since I was helping my spouse secure her shots, I found it convenient to go ahead and get mine at the same time. I do not believe that I would have ever become infected, and figured that even if I did, I would shrug it off in a few days. I wear a mask when there is a sign on the door of the business. Once I get my second shot, I will get the flimsiest and thin mask I can find and carry it if I am out shopping in case it is required to enter a business. Many of you demanded that other folks "protect" you by wearing a mask. Now, there will be no reason to think that I am going to infect you because I won't have the virus. I don't have it now, and haven't had it. But, most of you run amok in hysteria thinking that everyone around you is infected.
So, do what you wish to protect yourselves because it is not anyone else's responsibility to take care of you.
I disagree with everything there.

[JohnN]

USA is becoming United Selfish of America.

Well unfortunately you're correct. Whether it's the far left or far right, it seems there's no middle ground and everyone is saying "I slept in a Holiday Inn last night and I know everything about everything. Plus I'm an American and you're not telling me what to do" - so let's burn the Capital down, loot stores, gather in spreader events because it's "just the flu".

I often feel like our country has lost it's collective mind. TOTV is just a microcosm. There are a lot of good intentions, some crazy ones, and no unity.

[Jazzman]

Thank you to the prior administration for the misinformation and disinformation.Hopefully we have a new day with our new governmental administration.

Stop looking at interviews with certain medical professionals that can’t stay away from the cameras and do research on your own. Do you know that the medical experts who work for the government do not recommend or even suggest that if an individual tests positive and shows early signs of infection there isn’t any treatment? They suggest all you can do is go home and tough it out. This type of plan has been refuted by many other infectious disease specialists equally and eminently qualified as the select few you see constantly in the media, as there does exist a number of validated treatment plans with readily available pharmaceuticals that can lessen the degree of the consequences caused by the virus and can lessen the time one suffers from the effects. These professionals are rarely heard as they don’t work for the government.

[jimjamuser]

So many seem to think their expertise is superior to that of the CDC. It is still a CDC recommendation to wear a mask. The rest of the world thinks we’ve lost our minds on this. I continue to have absolutely no problem wearing a mask and find this discussion so tiresome.... but ironically not tiresome enough not to respond. 😆
True about the rest of the world. They laugh and pity us. We became # 1 in the world for CV by stupidity and selfishness - a good lesson in life.

[Crazyladycruz]

And you wonder how many times people have gone for a test. My neighbor had to go 3 times in 2 weeks! He was positive and had to test negative b4 going back to work.

[graciegirl]

True about the rest of the world. They laugh and pity us. We became # 1 in the world for CV by stupidity and selfishness - a good lesson in life.

THAT is not because of our leaders, THAT inability to respect the advice of scientists comes from those people who have not had rudimentary background in it for some reason. I remember in Junior High, the school nurse, perhaps sensing a candidate for medicine of some sort, explained to me at great length about germs, where they lived, what they did, how they prospered, how to keep them out and how to kill them. She showed me how to clean a thermometer back then by doing a circular wipe down with alcohol and cotton. I had received my Sabin/Salk vaccine early and the big round scar for vaccination for small pox and I was a Candy Striper, a young volunteer who helped out a few hours a week at Columbus Children's Hospital, and there were many people being kept alive in big iron lungs. It was heartbreaking. My own cousin spent three months there with Balbar Polio, but thankfully he mostly recovered. We cannot blame anyone but ourselves for stubbornness and selfishness and impatience to do what WE want to do...and we should not be critical of those who are prudent.

[mneumann02]

Unrelenting fear mongering from the media is driving this.
I would not listen to the “medical experts” because they do not know which end is up.
Long term effects can happen with a vaccine which was developed 10 minutes ago.
I have know many people, of many ages, who got the virus and fully recovered. It is a flu.
It is good to take precautions.
It is most dangerous for people who or ill or debilitated, if you are not one of these, you should be okay.
Hope you leave lots of money to your grandchildren to pay the debt.
And I am really, really sick of hearing about it.

So many mis-statements. It is not the media who are driving this, it is the deniers, the non-maskers, the people who gather in large groups and don't social distance, the people who believe this pandemic is no worse than the flu, the people who think they know more than medical professionals, and the people who think 500,000 U.S. Covid deaths is acceptable. They are the people spreading this. And it is most dangerous for people over 65. I do agree, I'm sick of this pandemic too.

[Love2Swim]

So many mis-statements. It is not the media who are driving this, it is the deniers, the non-maskers, the people who gather in large groups and don't social distance, the people who believe this pandemic is no worse than the flu, the people who think they know more than medical professionals, and the people who think 500,000 U.S. Covid deaths is acceptable. They are the people spreading this. And it is most dangerous for people over 65. I do agree, I'm sick of this pandemic too.

:bigbow:

[Byte1]

]I know several people in The Villages that have tested positive with no symptoms.[/B] They are part of the scary statistics. Yes, some people get very sick but many have few if any symptoms.

And I also know of ONE that tested negative twice when she had all the symptoms and her husband, daughter and son had the virus and tested positive. Can't trust the test, just treat the symptoms. The "test" is not always TRUE, more like sort of a litmus test if that.

[Byte1]

"I disagree with everything there." -- a comment on my post.....:duck:..:ohdear:

That is your prerogative.
So you disagree with "wear a mask or don't wear a mask?"
You disagree with "go out or cower in your home?"
Or is it that you just don't like it?

Or do you disagree with the idea that it is not my responsibility to take care of you? Well, it is not and I have seen no law (YET) that indicates any responsibility on my part to coddle folks that do not wish to keep their distance from me. Once I get the second shot, I will wait the supposed requisite time for my immunity and then I will not be wearing a mask except in stores that post a requirement. I may purchase a T shirt that says "Stay six feet away from me for your own protection" which will be the same as posting a "NO TRESPASSING" sign on my property. If anyone wishes to protect themselves, they have a choice of getting the shot or wearing a mask. Otherwise, don't count on others to watch out for you. Too many people in this world anyway, so getting rid of the weak is nature's way of thinning the herd.
I do believe in charity, but demanding charity from someone is called extortion or a tax if the gov. does it. :boom:

[Pairadocs]

The only protection that really works is a N95 facemask that has been properly fitted, discarded & replaced routinely. All of your homemade cloth & surgical masks are of little to no help and can be potentially harmful. Once you wear a mask, that mask is now considered contaminated and should be discarded or disinfected with a bleach solution. If you touch the outside of the mask and touch your face, you just gave a contaminant a way inside your body. In reusing a mask you are breathing through a petri dish of bacteria and worse being fed with your warm humid exhalations.

Now that many people have been vaccinated or have natural immunity the "mask mandates for all" needs to be changed. Just those who have not been vaccinated or do not have natural immunity should wear a mask but one that works, as in a N95.

People who have been vaccinated or have natural immunity from having COVID (like I have) do not need to be masked; it would be pointless.

- David H. Dallas RN, EMT-P (retired)
I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support.

Getting erroneous & questionable information from the government and putting together homemade charts is not helping anyone but continuing to feed the hysteria & fear. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV and H1N1 and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases.

Thank You for speaking up! The mask mania makes me uneasy when I see what goes on! Now more and more masks laying on empty lots here in the villages, parking lots, and blown up against fences and barriers. I take very long walks daily and gradually I realized how often now I see this. Yesterday I noticed quite a bit of littering from used masks in the parking area of a sheltered senior residence establishment. I've always thought about the false sense of security that just doing something, anything, gives to people? There is much to be said for anything that gives people emotional comfort in a time of panic, but I also think often about the pitfalls of self delusion ! I question if it was a positive or a negative to urge people to don home made masks and have them believe it will protect them and others, yet the alternative is mass panic so those in government must say anything to prevent that ! Also doubt most people remember what they learned in high school and college lab courses about viruses, bacteria, the differences in spread, load,etc. A true N95 (a LOT of immitations) is very difficult to obtain. People run around thinking anything is better than nothing...possibly could stop some actual large water drop of a sneeze but on the whole, as you point out, this is a VIRUS, wish more people were better educated on this as you related also. People should have gotten a clue when Fauci Send ordinary citizens don't need masks, then said people should wear little cotton homemade masks in an effort to stop the spread, then said two or three masks are better than one while also saying the fabrics in such things as gators, bandanas, etc. are no protection, the very same fabrics all of these homemade and routine food worker type masks are made from; interesting. Then A few very observant people notice That those on television announcing how to protect oneself, wear N95's covered with fashion masks, to match each dress and pant suit of some (women), and black stretch fabric like the exact stretch fabric of a fishing/beach gator.....really ? There is a great deal to be sa id about giving the masses something to do that makes them feel they are protecting themselves it does help governments control side spread panic, but at the same time, there can be many risks, serious unanticipated consequences, when the masses realize they have been duped. Not good situation either. You are so right, it is amazing and worrisome how few really understand even the basics of viruses and none of us know all. The virus is real, don't think that's what people think any more now that most have know someone who died, but the misinformation is at epic levels now and that will certainly not help. Unfortunately vaccines could be the same, we may all fell a false sense of security and unfortunately only time will tell. Anyone else remember the polio debaucle, the death and children paralyzed by faulty vaccine ? I remember how we didn't get to attend the state fair for a couple years due to my parents apprehensions. It was a frightening time and the first vaccine attempts that ended so tragically only served to alarm my parents and others in our community even more !

[circletrack]

What an alarming thread to read. I truly hope no one here experiences the loss of a loved one, or sees a friend fight for their lives as many of us have. To the woman earlier who lost her husband, I offer my condolences. I’m afraid many of the “deniers” will not open their eyes until something tragic happens. I pray for everyone...

[Byte1]

So many seem to think their expertise is superior to that of the CDC. It is still a CDC recommendation to wear a mask. The rest of the world thinks we’ve lost our minds on this. I continue to have absolutely no problem wearing a mask and find this discussion so tiresome.... but ironically not tiresome enough not to respond. 😆

The CDC recommends wearing a mask until they DON'T recommend it. They are political and folks ought to fact check anything they say. My opinion, but like everything that comes from any government, I prefer to fact check with multiple sources as well as common sense. I am not a conspiracy nut but until the government tells us the truth about how this thing came about, I am skeptical of anything that comes from D.C.

Suspicious or coincident facts:
Over four years ago, our gov gave a large amount of money to the Wu Han lab. For what? Who ever heard of that place before the China virus?
A couple years ago, a Chinese national was caught in an U.S. airport in possession of a suspicious bio hazard vial. No details available.
Not suspicious but interesting:
This vaccination has been in development for several years, for SARs(?), etc.?

Explain this:
The stockpile of PPE was depleted at the beginning of this pandemic. Why? How?
Why is it that with the worldwide contagion running rampant, the CDC knew very little about it? Someone dropped the ball?
Why is it that some podunk town with a very small population was full of infection, yet some of us run around with not a care in the world, not taking any precautions and for the past year plus, not a sniffle or cough? On the other hand, those taking complete care and adamant PPE practicing, catch the deathly infection.......how?

Just throwing out some questions, not really caring if anyone responds. Since everyone wants to debate masks and vaccinations, I thought maybe some would wish to know the reasoning for all of this. Animal market? Sure, and I have some ocean front land in Arizona that I will sell you. A leak from the lab? Sure, and the whole world was instantly infected. Not even nuclear fallout spreads that fast.

[jimjamuser]

Thank You for speaking up! The mask mania makes me uneasy when I see what goes on! Now more and more masks laying on empty lots here in the villages, parking lots, and blown up against fences and barriers. I take very long walks daily and gradually I realized how often now I see this. Yesterday I noticed quite a bit of littering from used masks in the parking area of a sheltered senior residence establishment. I've always thought about the false sense of security that just doing something, anything, gives to people? There is much to be said for anything that gives people emotional comfort in a time of panic, but I also think often about the pitfalls of self delusion ! I question if it was a positive or a negative to urge people to don home made masks and have them believe it will protect them and others, yet the alternative is mass panic so those in government must say anything to prevent that ! Also doubt most people remember what they learned in high school and college lab courses about viruses, bacteria, the differences in spread, load,etc. A true N95 (a LOT of immitations) is very difficult to obtain. People run around thinking anything is better than nothing...possibly could stop some actual large water drop of a sneeze but on the whole, as you point out, this is a VIRUS, wish more people were better educated on this as you related also. People should have gotten a clue when Fauci Send ordinary citizens don't need masks, then said people should wear little cotton homemade masks in an effort to stop the spread, then said two or three masks are better than one while also saying the fabrics in such things as gators, bandanas, etc. are no protection, the very same fabrics all of these homemade and routine food worker type masks are made from; interesting. Then A few very observant people notice That those on television announcing how to protect oneself, wear N95's covered with fashion masks, to match each dress and pant suit of some (women), and black stretch fabric like the exact stretch fabric of a fishing/beach gator.....really ? There is a great deal to be sa id about giving the masses something to do that makes them feel they are protecting themselves it does help governments control side spread panic, but at the same time, there can be many risks, serious unanticipated consequences, when the masses realize they have been duped. Not good situation either. You are so right, it is amazing and worrisome how few really understand even the basics of viruses and none of us know all. The virus is real, don't think that's what people think any more now that most have know someone who died, but the misinformation is at epic levels now and that will certainly not help. Unfortunately vaccines could be the same, we may all fell a false sense of security and unfortunately only time will tell. Anyone else remember the polio debaucle, the death and children paralyzed by faulty vaccine ? I remember how we didn't get to attend the state fair for a couple years due to my parents apprehensions. It was a frightening time and the first vaccine attempts that ended so tragically only served to alarm my parents and others in our community even more !
So, vaccines and masks are to be suspected of not being effective or actually causing harm just because of somethings that went wrong way back in the early polio days. Medical science has "come a long way baby" since then.

[stanley]

The CDC recommends wearing a mask until they DON'T recommend it. They are political and folks ought to fact check anything they say. My opinion, but like everything that comes from any government, I prefer to fact check with multiple sources as well as common sense. I am not a conspiracy nut but until the government tells us the truth about how this thing came about, I am skeptical of anything that comes from D.C.

Suspicious or coincident facts:
Over four years ago, our gov gave a large amount of money to the Wu Han lab. For what? Who ever heard of that place before the China virus?
A couple years ago, a Chinese national was caught in an U.S. airport in possession of a suspicious bio hazard vial. No details available.
Not suspicious but interesting:
This vaccination has been in development for several years, for SARs(?), etc.?

Explain this:
The stockpile of PPE was depleted at the beginning of this pandemic. Why? How?
Why is it that with the worldwide contagion running rampant, the CDC knew very little about it? Someone dropped the ball?
Why is it that some podunk town with a very small population was full of infection, yet some of us run around with not a care in the world, not taking any precautions and for the past year plus, not a sniffle or cough? On the other hand, those taking complete care and adamant PPE practicing, catch the deathly infection.......how?

Just throwing out some questions, not really caring if anyone responds. Since everyone wants to debate masks and vaccinations, I thought maybe some would wish to know the reasoning for all of this. Animal market? Sure, and I have some ocean front land in Arizona that I will sell you. A leak from the lab? Sure, and the whole world was instantly infected. Not even nuclear fallout spreads that fast.

You do know all this is going to fall on deaf ears don't ya?
I applaud your effort

[stebooo]

If this is true why vaccinate? Seriously. Is there something else at play here?. I think so

[terrild53]

Yes, this virus is no diff than other flus you get vaccines for. It never proposed to insulate you against the virus, you were just open to a milder case and you can spread it.
Covid IS “different than other flus that people get vaccinated for. “ You certainly are entitled to your beliefs about the worst Pandemic the world has encountered in 103 years. It is not a simple influenza.

[Dgizzi]

No I have not lost anyone that I know. I have had no friends or relatives get sick from COVID. We moved to the villages last March 20, when everything closed down. We have gone out to stores when we have to wear a mask we do, other than that we have sat next to people in bars, restaurants and have never gotten a sniffle. I am 58, my husband is 69. Of all the millions of people in Florida, all the people in this area, COVID has not affected the villages and why is that? I wear a mask to stores if they require. I don’t wear a mask walking outside or in my car. What is the point to that? If it was flying outside in the air, we would ALL be sick.

[Swoop]

Covid IS “different than other flus that people get vaccinated for. “ You certainly are entitled to your beliefs about the worst Pandemic the world has encountered in 103 years. It is not a simple influenza.
The Spanish Flu killed 20x more people than the Coronavirus . If you consider the worldwide population is 4x what it was in 1919, that makes the Spanish Flu 80x more deadly than Corona. The flu still kills 250,000-500,000 worldwide every year. And when it comes to pandemics, you seem to have forgotten AIDS, which killed 25-35 million people, a lot more recently than 103 years ago...

[reneeallen4]

If you are truly positive for covid it will be many months before you test negative...so the question becomes how accurate is the testing?

" There is absolutely no need for vaccines to extinguish the pandemic. I have never heard such nonsense talks about vaccines. You do not vaccinate people who aren't at risk from a disease. You also don't set about planning to vaccinate millions of fit and healthy people with a vaccine that hasn't been extensively tested on human subjects." Dr. Michael Yeadon, Former Vice President and Chief Scientist of Pfizer

[reneeallen4]

Completely agree with oneclickplus..spot on. Thanks for sharing

[reneeallen4]

I still think that those who are afraid of the virus should do what is comfortable for themselves like locking down at home. Those who are sick should stay home and those who are afraid of getting sick should stay home and protect themselves.
Those who choose to go out and live freely have that choice. "My body, my choice" as they say and no one should shame someone for the choice they make for themselves like not wearing a mask...not getting a vaccine...etc....ALL choices have consequences good and bad...we go through life deciding what consequences we are willing to risk, live with etc.....that's just LIFE..Btw...with all the talk about people being selfish...isn't it selfish to want to be first in line for the vaccine instead of getting to the end of the line? Just wondering...

[Two Bills]

No I have not lost anyone that I know. I have had no friends or relatives get sick from COVID. We moved to the villages last March 20, when everything closed down. We have gone out to stores when we have to wear a mask we do, other than that we have sat next to people in bars, restaurants and have never gotten a sniffle. I am 58, my husband is 69. Of all the millions of people in Florida, all the people in this area, COVID has not affected the villages and why is that? I wear a mask to stores if they require. I don’t wear a mask walking outside or in my car. What is the point to that? If it was flying outside in the air, we would ALL be sick.

I have no idea of the total numbers for TV. but among my wifes friends from her line dancing group, one lady lost her husband, and six of her friends have had the virus, from mild symptoms, to two seriously ill in hospital.
Quite a few posters on here have posted similar scenarios.
So your statement is not entirely correct.

[kendi]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;1897962]I will say it for the thousandth time. It isn't fear. It is awareness that causes us to attempt to do all we can not to catch it.

It IS killing real people. Haven't you lost anyone you know or care about???[/QUOTE

“For the thousandth time”? Attempting “to do all we can” becomes an obsession for some. Obsessions are rooted in fear.

[kendi]

CV droplets travel on water vapor drops from breathing. They are large enough to be stopped by masks. That is even common knowledge known since last year.

Not all masks are created equal. Knits and those white disposables actually act like sieves splitting the droplets into smaller particles. These smaller droplets then take longer to fall to the ground than the larger ones causing a higher risk for infection.

[Hiltongrizz11]

The virus is real. Haven't me t a denier as you put it. However I know many that.make THEIR OWN DECISIONS about masking and distancing. They are usually the same people who know the government has not ever successfully handled anything of major importance well.

Covid is real and our government is not truthful and is motivated politically far more than they are for truth and honesty. Make your own conclusions but don't think for a minute YOU are in the right because of what the government says.

[Girlcopper]

I’ve read that vaccinated people can still be infected. They should be immune but I read they can carry the virus home or elsewhere and pass it to others who are still vulnerable. If true, shouldn’t they continue to wear a mask to reduce the potential to spread it?

Its mandatory they still wear a mask at any business, office where others have to. No one is exempt just because they were vaccinated. Let the battles start shortly with the ones who refuse to mask up. Just because youre vaccinated doesnt mean you arent a carrier. Have consuderation for others and just wear the mask

[J1ceasar]

Is it true and you can still carry covid germs in your body after being vaccinated and that is possibly why you should wear a mask along with everybody else?

[MandoMan]

The only protection that really works is a N95 facemask that has been properly fitted, discarded & replaced routinely. All of your homemade cloth & surgical masks are of little to no help and can be potentially harmful. Once you wear a mask, that mask is now considered contaminated and should be discarded or disinfected with a bleach solution. If you touch the outside of the mask and touch your face, you just gave a contaminant a way inside your body. In reusing a mask you are breathing through a petri dish of bacteria and worse being fed with your warm humid exhalations.

Now that many people have been vaccinated or have natural immunity the "mask mandates for all" needs to be changed. Just those who have not been vaccinated or do not have natural immunity should wear a mask but one that works, as in a N95.

People who have been vaccinated or have natural immunity from having COVID (like I have) do not need to be masked; it would be pointless.

- David H. Dallas RN, EMT-P (retired)
I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support.

Getting erroneous & questionable information from the government and putting together homemade charts is not helping anyone but continuing to feed the hysteria & fear. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV and H1N1 and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases.

I see so many thin cloth masks that look like a teenage girl’s thong stolen from a dirty clothes hamper.—they cover the lower nose and the mouth, but not the chin. That does a limited amount of good, either way. Also, many people wearing cloth masks don’t wash them. Again, the thong analogy comes to mind. Would you wear the same underwear for a week? If you want to wear a cloth mask, buy a dozen of them and change them a couple times a day. I wear disposable masks, and after a couple hours I can smell my breath on them from deep in my lungs. Bacteria and viruses go along with smells like that. So I put on a new mask and throw away the old one. They only cost about a dime apiece at Sam’s Club. I can afford it.

[Larchap49]

After following many discussions in TOTV, I see there are still lots of COVID deniers. COVID is going down, but not very fast and it is still very much of a threat. It went way up over the holidays, as so many people travelled, partied etc. But look at this chart that I put together from data published on The Villages News, which they get from the government. It shows the 7 day average of new cases, and the trend line. Average new cases from July to October were under 10 - even in July. They have dropped from a daily high of 65 beginning of January to 30 over the past week. That is still too high everyone!!!!! Wear your masks, and try social distancing for awhile to see if we can beat this. This would be a terrible way to die. And the death rate for us over 65's is 5% and gets higher as you get older.

Covid is here to stay just like the flu. Oooooooops I forgot the flu worldwide has disappeared. Have you wondered where it went? My guess, it is now being called Covid to pump up the numbers. Maybe you have a better explanation. Wear your masks, hide from friends and family, watch brick and mortar businesses go under and watch of the degradation of our great country into Marxism and poverty. Sorry for being a downer but in less than a month gas is up $.50 a gal. New taxes being announced daily. I for one can not afford an $8000.00 or more federal tax on my home. Just the beginning.

[Larchap49]

The only protection that really works is a N95 facemask that has been properly fitted, discarded & replaced routinely. All of your homemade cloth & surgical masks are of little to no help and can be potentially harmful. Once you wear a mask, that mask is now considered contaminated and should be discarded or disinfected with a bleach solution. If you touch the outside of the mask and touch your face, you just gave a contaminant a way inside your body. In reusing a mask you are breathing through a petri dish of bacteria and worse being fed with your warm humid exhalations.

Now that many people have been vaccinated or have natural immunity the "mask mandates for all" needs to be changed. Just those who have not been vaccinated or do not have natural immunity should wear a mask but one that works, as in a N95.

People who have been vaccinated or have natural immunity from having COVID (like I have) do not need to be masked; it would be pointless.

- David H. Dallas RN, EMT-P (retired)
I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support.

Getting erroneous & questionable information from the government and putting together homemade charts is not helping anyone but continuing to feed the hysteria & fear. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV and H1N1 and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases.

THANK YOU!!!! Finally someone who gets it and states facts not government misinformation

[Bay Kid]

Is it true and you can still carry covid germs in your body after being vaccinated and that is possibly why you should wear a mask along with everybody else?

They will have us wearing mask forever, or until they get tired of wearing one.

[GPGuar]

Get the vaccination or don't get it. Wear a mask or don't wear a mask. Go out or cower at home. Your decision, but don't presume to demand that others conform to whatever standard you insist is better than the norm. You all don't seem to get it. I don't modify my lifestyle for your convenience. I had no intention of getting the vaccination until I did some research on it. I decided that it was not dangerous and since I was helping my spouse secure her shots, I found it convenient to go ahead and get mine at the same time. I do not believe that I would have ever become infected, and figured that even if I did, I would shrug it off in a few days. I wear a mask when there is a sign on the door of the business. Once I get my second shot, I will get the flimsiest and thin mask I can find and carry it if I am out shopping in case it is required to enter a business. Many of you demanded that other folks "protect" you by wearing a mask. Now, there will be no reason to think that I am going to infect you because I won't have the virus. I don't have it now, and haven't had it. But, most of you run amok in hysteria thinking that everyone around you is infected.
So, do what you wish to protect yourselves because it is not anyone else's responsibility to take care of you.

Well said!

[65Proff]

So sorry for your lost.

[DAVES]

Are you *really* doing all you can not to catch it? Have you only eaten the very healthiest of food?, have you exercised each and everyday (getting in at least 10K steps?), have you refrained from drinking alcohol and exposure to all carcinogens?, do you stay at or below your recommended weight? ..... you are demanding that people do everything not to catch it or become ‘spreaders’ - but - really - have you done everything you can do?
*** I am not saying you have to do anything - that is totally your choice .... I am just saying everyone should just demand the best of themselves. ***
All we really have the power to do is be kind and respect the opinions of others.

BTW - just from personal experience - I know MANY people who have died in the last year or two - from many things! I know of someone who fell in their home and died of complications from the fall - yet their cause of death stated ‘Covid’ - merely because they tested positive when admitted to the hospital. I know people in their 80s and 90s who have died of ‘Covid’ - but, I know the severe health issues they had been struggling with for many years. My opinion only - it is unfortunate that their last several months on earth weren’t as enriching as they should have been - because of all the fears and restrictions due to “Covid”. In my opinion, a 96 year old is going to die (it is a blessing they lived to 96!!!) why can’t we make their last weeks on earth as enjoyable as possible - we can’t because people are saying it is more important to fear a virus and stay locked up - than being comforted and surrounded by friends and family in their final days (yes, my opinion - we can and should wear masks to do that).

I am in my 70s and I wear a mask and distance in public - but, I am not angry or hateful of those who do not. I have travelled (by plane) and attended large gatherings many times in the past year - I have lived life - because I know I will die - maybe sooner than later. I want to live into my 80s and 90s - like those I know who have died this past year - but - I certainly do not want to die alone - with only strangers tending to me.

I welcome your opinions - but, please do not be critical of those who simply want to live life - in the short time they have left (and yes, we are doing that wearing mask).


All is a matter of opinion. For most people, we see it endlessly what I do is fine I object to what you CHOOSE to do.

For me it is exactly the same as driving drunk. My view, you have every right to kill yourself. The reason it is wrong is you risk the life of other people around you.

Unlike killing someone in an auto crash, with covid since it is a 2 week gestation period,
you may never know that you have killed or sent others to the hospital etc.

[Redsmom]

Stop looking at interviews with certain medical professionals that can’t stay away from the cameras and do research on your own. Do you know that the medical experts who work for the government do not recommend or even suggest that if an individual tests positive and shows early signs of infection there isn’t any treatment? They suggest all you can do is go home and tough it out. This type of plan has been refuted by many other infectious disease specialists equally and eminently qualified as the select few you see constantly in the media, as there does exist a number of validated treatment plans with readily available pharmaceuticals that can lessen the degree of the consequences caused by the virus and can lessen the time one suffers from the effects. These professionals are rarely heard as they don’t work for the government.

Correct. Using a Tele doctor and for a minimal amount of money, I will be receiving my hydroxychloroquine in the mail this week. It will be on my shelf in case I start to feel symptoms. Used for many years and sold over the counter in most countries around the world, no side effects to worry about, I will have a plan in case I contract this virus without putting a genetic modifier into my body. And meanwhile I will take common sense measures to avoid it and the hysteria surrounding it. It’s a shame that the powers that be are allowing people to think there is no treatment other than officially prescribed by our government.

[Aloha1]

The British variant is said to take over in the US around June. It has produced cases close to TV Land recently.

Just where is this TV Land?? Hollywood?

[canyonblue]

And when it comes to pandemics, you seem to have forgotten AIDS...

And if you were single during that period did you abstain from sex, which is the only true method to prevent an STD. I would think that for most men in this country the fear point was Magic Johnson. Prior to that most believed it would only get transmitted to you if you were gay. But after a brief period of caution most people went back to having sex as usual. The majority of those people are now 55 and up. Nothing has changed as far as attitudes about "catching" something in 40 years, why would anyone expect it to?

[CFrance]

[QUOTE=danglanzsr;1898005]No, I haven't.[/QUOTE
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[Aloha1]

CV droplets travel on water vapor drops from breathing. They are large enough to be stopped by masks. That is even common knowledge known since last year.

Patently not true. Covid droplets are VERY small and can pass through many masks available today. Masks serve to reduce the amount of droplets that get through. It is viral load and duration of contact that determines whether you get Covid.

Perhaps you could enlighten us with your medical curricula vitae since you appear to represent yourself as quite the expert.

Although I do not have a medical degree, I was on adjunct staff at the American College Of Emergency Physicians, was pre med in College, have a son who's a PCP and a Daughter In Law whose EM. I keep up by reading medical journals.

[DAVES]

Covid is here to stay just like the flu. Oooooooops I forgot the flu worldwide has disappeared. Have you wondered where it went? My guess, it is now being called Covid to pump up the numbers. Maybe you have a better explanation. Wear your masks, hide from friends and family, watch brick and mortar businesses go under and watch of the degradation of our great country into Marxism and poverty. Sorry for being a downer but in less than a month gas is up $.50 a gal. New taxes being announced daily. I for one can not afford an $8000.00 or more federal tax on my home. Just the beginning.

I read your frustration. It is a symptom of panic. Flu is down a positive result of attempts to limit the spread of covid. Gas is up .50. I don't know about you but I am retired. I used to drive 20,000 to 30,000 miles a year. Now I do far less than 10,000.
I do recall gasoline being .28 cent a gallon and it being 4.00 a gallon. Today ?????? it is at neither price that I remember in my lifetime. Marxism? "I, for one, cannot afford $8,000 federal tax on my home." That is a Marxist, communist view.

Back to normal? Things never go back to normal. Frankly for me normal was not as I remember anyway. We will have a new normal. Life is never and will never be perfect.

Freedom of choice. You can look at the weather and see it is nice or you can choose to look at the weather and worry it will rain or it is snowing somewhere.

It is a choice.

[PugMom]

Unrelenting fear mongering from the media is driving this.
I would not listen to the “medical experts” because they do not know which end is up.
Long term effects can happen with a vaccine which was developed 10 minutes ago.
I have know many people, of many ages, who got the virus and fully recovered. It is a flu.
It is good to take precautions.
It is most dangerous for people who or ill or debilitated, if you are not one of these, you should be okay.
Hope you leave lots of money to your grandchildren to pay the debt.
And I am really, really sick of hearing about it.

dittos; this week makes ONE YEAR this fiasco has been going on. if you see me out without a mask, ...mind your own business & leave me out of this chaos.

[DonnaNi4os]

Warmer weather should bring a reduction in the virus activity. It’s the variants that might keep us wearing masks for years.

Warmer weather in 2020 didn’t show a reduction in numbers. Countries throughout the world have climates that are always warm and the temperatures did not reduce their numbers. But pandemics typically last 24 months. I suspect we will be seeing more mutations until the end of the year. Vaccinations will help reduce the hospitalizations and masks will be needed for months to come.

[DonnaNi4os]

I am so glad that it has not affected you as it has me. On January 9th I lost my husband to this damn virus so yes everyone needs to be scared.

My deepest sympathies on the loss of your husband. Our neighborhood lost a wonderful man to COVID-19. My son-in-law lost two cousins. Unfortunately, people don’t believe until it effects them first hand.

[richs631]

After following many discussions in TOTV, I see there are still lots of COVID deniers. COVID is going down, but not very fast and it is still very much of a threat. It went way up over the holidays, as so many people travelled, partied etc. But look at this chart that I put together from data published on The Villages News, which they get from the government. It shows the 7 day average of new cases, and the trend line. Average new cases from July to October were under 10 - even in July. They have dropped from a daily high of 65 beginning of January to 30 over the past week. That is still too high everyone!!!!! Wear your masks, and try social distancing for awhile to see if we can beat this. This would be a terrible way to die. And the death rate for us over 65's is 5% and gets higher as you get older.

FYI. We are not Covid deniers. What we deny is that Covid is the bubonic plague and that everyone who gets it dies and it was worth shutting down the world economy and the only way to vote was mail in voting. Covid is a flu.

[regas56]

It seems every few years or so my flu vaccine changes to keep up with the changes in the flu strains from mutations so doesn't that seem to suggest that the Corona virus will also mutate meaning we may be wearing a mask the rest of our lives? YIKES!!!

[regas56]

My deepest sympathies on the loss of your husband. Our neighborhood lost a wonderful man to COVID-19. My son-in-law lost two cousins. Unfortunately, people don’t believe until it effects them first hand.
People don't believe what?

[coffeebean]

Not all masks are created equal. Knits and those white disposables actually act like sieves splitting the droplets into smaller particles. These smaller droplets then take longer to fall to the ground than the larger ones causing a higher risk for infection.

Early on when we Americans were finally informed by Dr. Fauci and the CDC that we must cover our faces when in public, there were plenty of segments on TV newscasts that warned us NOT to use neck gators as face coverings. Even multiple layers of these neck gators split droplets into aerosols which is actually worse than not wearing a face covering at all. Those aerosols do travel in the air much longer than droplets which basically fall to the ground right away.

[coffeebean]

Its mandatory they still wear a mask at any business, office where others have to. No one is exempt just because they were vaccinated. Let the battles start shortly with the ones who refuse to mask up. Just because youre vaccinated doesnt mean you arent a carrier. Have consuderation for others and just wear the mask

I get it. It has yet to be proven, one way or the other, that these vaccines either do or do not eliminate the vaccinated person from being able to pass on the virus even though they are not ill with Covid.

When will it be safe for us as a population to no longer need to be masked in public? When will it be safe for us as a population to be able to hug our family and friends? That is the million dollar question. Only time will tell.

[sail33or]

MASK, MASK, MASK, MASK
TALK, TALK, TALK, TALK

I see The Villages clearing emerging as 50% going about their lives again, Going to the Squares, Eating Out, etc. And 50% will worry and wear Masks. IRONIC is that wearing a Mask is PRIMARILY for the protection of "OTHERS". And "OTHERS" are Not wearing Masks. See the IRONY there.

Reminds me of a comedian once at a huge Concert that asked everyone to shake hands with the person behind them. When you did this the person behind you was turned around trying to shake the hand of the person behind them and so on and so on. Big Laugh at this mental ineptitude.

[coffeebean]

THANK YOU!!!! Finally someone who gets it and states facts not government misinformation

Home made and disposable masks do serve a purpose and that is for source control. Only problem is EVERYONE MUST wear masks in order for the source control to work. That has been verified many times over early on when we were first informed to cover our faces to mitigate this respiratory virus.

Those home made masks or disposable masks offer some protection for the wearer of the mask but not that much at all. We all know that already. No one is saying home made masks and disposable masks are as good as an N95 mask.

If what you are looking for is protection, then of course wear an N95 mask for your own protection. If you are looking for source control to mitigate the virus and slow the spread, PLEASE, wear a home made mask or those inexpensive disposable masks that you can purchase by the box. As a population, we could really put a dent into this pandemic with social distancing, source control masking and inoculation of our population with vaccine.

[coffeebean]

dittos; this week makes ONE YEAR this fiasco has been going on. if you see me out without a mask, ...mind your own business & leave me out of this chaos.
If I see you without a mask, I will most certainly stay clear of you, just like I do with everyone out "there".

[jimjamuser]

Reference to byte1's post-----------I agree...........with the statement about the world being overpopulated. While it is true that wars and pestilence are the easy and traditional ways of lowering that population, they are NOT the most HUMANE methods of lowering the population. As today's modern and scientific society, it is up to us to find a more humane system. I feel that human society has evolved enough to want to and be able to solve the over-population problem. I could suggest some methods, but without a panel of expert scientists and huge efforts at computer modeling, it would be just a guess. And, human society may (?) need to evolve for maybe another 50 years. After all, we have been reluctant to even face such OBVIOUS problems such as Global Warming. Which like everything else is related to population - even migration - up from the southern border, which will soon be a HUGE problem. You can't understand the "illegal alien" problem without grappling with the population vs available resources problem worldwide.

[jimjamuser]

The CDC recommends wearing a mask until they DON'T recommend it. They are political and folks ought to fact check anything they say. My opinion, but like everything that comes from any government, I prefer to fact check with multiple sources as well as common sense. I am not a conspiracy nut but until the government tells us the truth about how this thing came about, I am skeptical of anything that comes from D.C.

Suspicious or coincident facts:
Over four years ago, our gov gave a large amount of money to the Wu Han lab. For what? Who ever heard of that place before the China virus?
A couple years ago, a Chinese national was caught in an U.S. airport in possession of a suspicious bio hazard vial. No details available.
Not suspicious but interesting:
This vaccination has been in development for several years, for SARs(?), etc.?

Explain this:
The stockpile of PPE was depleted at the beginning of this pandemic. Why? How?
Why is it that with the worldwide contagion running rampant, the CDC knew very little about it? Someone dropped the ball?
Why is it that some podunk town with a very small population was full of infection, yet some of us run around with not a care in the world, not taking any precautions and for the past year plus, not a sniffle or cough? On the other hand, those taking complete care and adamant PPE practicing, catch the deathly infection.......how?

Just throwing out some questions, not really caring if anyone responds. Since everyone wants to debate masks and vaccinations, I thought maybe some would wish to know the reasoning for all of this. Animal market? Sure, and I have some ocean front land in Arizona that I will sell you. A leak from the lab? Sure, and the whole world was instantly infected. Not even nuclear fallout spreads that fast.
Yes, questions without answers in the post - which breeds more and more conspiracy theories. The truth is that the WHO knew about a possible Pandemic around Dec. 2019. Even Bob Woodward knew about it on Jan 29, 2020. So, obviously, the CDC knew about it. The better question to ask is why it was not ACTED on. And WHY is America # 1 in CV problems today!

[Byte1]

Its mandatory they still wear a mask at any business, office where others have to. No one is exempt just because they were vaccinated. Let the battles start shortly with the ones who refuse to mask up. Just because youre vaccinated doesnt mean you arent a carrier. Have consuderation for others and just wear the mask

Nope, I will only wear a mask IF there is a sign asking me to in order to enter the store. Even then, I may not feel like wearing one. But, I will go along with the hysteria UNTIL I get my second shot. A vaccination that I do not even feel necessary, but going along with my more frail spouse. Every "expert" says something different about spreading it after inoculated against it. I choose to listen to the doctor that said one vaccinated and waiting a specified period of time, I will no longer be able to spread the virus. Of course anyone can spread it on their clothes or by touching a contagious object, but I doubt even the hysterical mask wearers will go into a decontamination unit every time they go out and about.
I suggest that those that are scared, stay home. Quit complaining about those of us that don't care and don't sympathize with them.
I will never tell someone not to wear a mask or take whatever steps to protect themselves. I will tell the ones that demand that I do something for their satisfaction to stick it, because I'm not going to change my lifestyle at the whim of some strangers that are ruled by panic and hysteria.
Less than one percent die from this. Lots more die in car accidents, doctor's mistakes, over doses, etc. If you are scared of dying, then stay in a hermetically sealed space and take lots of vitamins. Also do not allow any visitors.
Yes, I have lost two close persons supposedly "with" COVID, but I have also known over a dozen that have survived the illness, shrugging it off in a matter of a couple days. So, I am realistic that there really is a virus. I also know that my chances of becoming infected is very low and even lower that I would perish from it.
Don't like it? That's everyone's prerogative, right?

[jimjamuser]

Not all masks are created equal. Knits and those white disposables actually act like sieves splitting the droplets into smaller particles. These smaller droplets then take longer to fall to the ground than the larger ones causing a higher risk for infection.
Sorry, I have not read or heard of that anywhere.

[Byte1]

All is a matter of opinion. For most people, we see it endlessly what I do is fine I object to what you CHOOSE to do.

For me it is exactly the same as driving drunk. My view, you have every right to kill yourself. The reason it is wrong is you risk the life of other people around you.

Unlike killing someone in an auto crash, with covid since it is a 2 week gestation period,
you may never know that you have killed or sent others to the hospital etc.

How can you compare a virus with driving drunk? If one does not have the virus, they are not dangerous. You only find that person GUILTY of being dangerous because of hysteria, not fact. A person driving drunk is positive for alcohol influence and is guilty of willfully putting others in danger. You cannot charge someone with putting you in danger when there is no danger and no evidence of danger.
If I am immune to the virus and refuse to wear a mask then you cannot accuse me of being a danger to you.

[jimjamuser]

Covid is here to stay just like the flu. Oooooooops I forgot the flu worldwide has disappeared. Have you wondered where it went? My guess, it is now being called Covid to pump up the numbers. Maybe you have a better explanation. Wear your masks, hide from friends and family, watch brick and mortar businesses go under and watch of the degradation of our great country into Marxism and poverty. Sorry for being a downer but in less than a month gas is up $.50 a gal. New taxes being announced daily. I for one can not afford an $8000.00 or more federal tax on my home. Just the beginning.
Hard to understand this post? But. maybe I am better off for NOT understanding it?

[jimjamuser]

Correct. Using a Tele doctor and for a minimal amount of money, I will be receiving my hydroxychloroquine in the mail this week. It will be on my shelf in case I start to feel symptoms. Used for many years and sold over the counter in most countries around the world, no side effects to worry about, I will have a plan in case I contract this virus without putting a genetic modifier into my body. And meanwhile I will take common sense measures to avoid it and the hysteria surrounding it. It’s a shame that the powers that be are allowing people to think there is no treatment other than officially prescribed by our government.
Also spoken by the man that I saw on TV with horns on his helmet and his face painted in good old US of A colors.

[jimjamuser]

Just where is this TV Land?? Hollywood?
Like that do you? TV Land is the playpen of old crazies that play the games of their youth and are young and vibrant in their imaginations. They feel invulnerable like superpersons to the slings and arrows of outrageous pestilence. It is also a real TV channel for old TV sit-coms that lets our TV Landers escape temporarily the reality of today's modern world......stay real......grasshopper!

[jimjamuser]

Patently not true. Covid droplets are VERY small and can pass through many masks available today. Masks serve to reduce the amount of droplets that get through. It is viral load and duration of contact that determines whether you get Covid.

Perhaps you could enlighten us with your medical curricula vitae since you appear to represent yourself as quite the expert.

Although I do not have a medical degree, I was on adjunct staff at the American College Of Emergency Physicians, was pre med in College, have a son who's a PCP and a Daughter In Law whose EM. I keep up by reading medical journals.
OK, I respect those credentials.....good work. However, I stand by my statements that the WATER DROPLETS that CV is REQUIRED to attach to in order to leave one body and go to another (thus spread) - can be stopped by cloth masks. Just better by KN-95 and N-95 masks. We are not THAT far apart on our statements. What I am saying (always) is just COMMON knowledge.

[jimjamuser]

dittos; this week makes ONE YEAR this fiasco has been going on. if you see me out without a mask, ...mind your own business & leave me out of this chaos.
Unfortunately, unless you have a complete hazmat suit on when in public, you become an integral part of the social chaos. Today, we ALL live on the small island called EARTH.

[jimjamuser]

It seems every few years or so my flu vaccine changes to keep up with the changes in the flu strains from mutations so doesn't that seem to suggest that the Corona virus will also mutate meaning we may be wearing a mask the rest of our lives? YIKES!!!
No, not necessarily. Many countries have CV under control and do NOT need to MANDATE masks. The US is singularly out of control, like # 1. We can get back in control by having 5 available makers of vaccines and cranking up the DPA. The problem has been in the US, that the people have NOT cooperated with science and medical authorities. We have a cowboy, frontier-style mentality - much to our own undoing!

[jimjamuser]

MASK, MASK, MASK, MASK
TALK, TALK, TALK, TALK

I see The Villages clearing emerging as 50% going about their lives again, Going to the Squares, Eating Out, etc. And 50% will worry and wear Masks. IRONIC is that wearing a Mask is PRIMARILY for the protection of "OTHERS". And "OTHERS" are Not wearing Masks. See the IRONY there.

Reminds me of a comedian once at a huge Concert that asked everyone to shake hands with the person behind them. When you did this the person behind you was turned around trying to shake the hand of the person behind them and so on and so on. Big Laugh at this mental ineptitude.
Or in a 2 person gun stand-off, who will be the 1st to lower their weapon so that BOTH may walk away. Or which nuclear-armed country is willing to scrap some of their weapons to ensure a better, safer world.

[jimjamuser]

Nope, I will only wear a mask IF there is a sign asking me to in order to enter the store. Even then, I may not feel like wearing one. But, I will go along with the hysteria UNTIL I get my second shot. A vaccination that I do not even feel necessary, but going along with my more frail spouse. Every "expert" says something different about spreading it after inoculated against it. I choose to listen to the doctor that said one vaccinated and waiting a specified period of time, I will no longer be able to spread the virus. Of course anyone can spread it on their clothes or by touching a contagious object, but I doubt even the hysterical mask wearers will go into a decontamination unit every time they go out and about.
I suggest that those that are scared, stay home. Quit complaining about those of us that don't care and don't sympathize with them.
I will never tell someone not to wear a mask or take whatever steps to protect themselves. I will tell the ones that demand that I do something for their satisfaction to stick it, because I'm not going to change my lifestyle at the whim of some strangers that are ruled by panic and hysteria.
Less than one percent die from this. Lots more die in car accidents, doctor's mistakes, over doses, etc. If you are scared of dying, then stay in a hermetically sealed space and take lots of vitamins. Also do not allow any visitors.
Yes, I have lost two close persons supposedly "with" COVID, but I have also known over a dozen that have survived the illness, shrugging it off in a matter of a couple days. So, I am realistic that there really is a virus. I also know that my chances of becoming infected is very low and even lower that I would perish from it.
Don't like it? That's everyone's prerogative, right?
5 % of CV positive CASES in the over 65 age group DO die from CV. Many others are long haul types. Many others have near-death experiences and LARGE hospital bills. Now we are up to about 15 % of cases with problems that NOBODY would WANT to have. Right? That would be right only for someone that lived by themselves on the MOON. So, NO, not right!

[coffeebean]

FYI. We are not Covid deniers. What we deny is that Covid is the bubonic plague and that everyone who gets it dies and it was worth shutting down the world economy and the only way to vote was mail in voting. Covid is a flu.
Honesty, if you think Covid is a flu, you ARE a Covid denier. That is all.

[Gulfcoast]

So this is the explanation that I have heard for the drop in Covid cases....

President Biden rejoined the WHO. The WHO now recommends 2 positive tests plus symptoms to be counted as a positive result. Naturally, when you change the criteria like that, the cases would tend to magically drop.

Oh, and there have been practically no flu cases this year. That seems pretty amazing, doesn't it?

I feel like we are living in Lalaland.

[Gulfcoast]

And before someone attributes the insane drop in flu cases to be the result of social distancing and mask wearing. How is it that the same people also blame Covid going around on people not wearing masks or practicing social distancing???? The logic, or lack thereof, is mind boggling.

[Byte1]

Yes, questions without answers in the post - which breeds more and more conspiracy theories. The truth is that the WHO knew about a possible Pandemic around Dec. 2019. Even Bob Woodward knew about it on Jan 29, 2020. So, obviously, the CDC knew about it. The better question to ask is why it was not ACTED on. And WHY is America # 1 in CV problems today!

Maybe it originated in in America? Have you ever heard of Ft. Detrick? Questions, not conspiracy theories. Although, a conspiracy theory can also be based on FACT.

[Dorebea]

I have seen CDC numbers in December that corroborate this.

Before you review the Food For Thought ... I found these number interesting. As reported by the CDC ... Here are the US deaths by year and the change from the previous year

Year 2017 2,818,503 Americans died

Year 2018: 2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017)

Year 2019: 2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018)

The year of the pandemic ...

Year 2020: 2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019)

BUT WAIT: There were zero deaths from Covid-19 during 2018, and 2019 and the jump from 2019 was only 57,641 ???

I've been told that Covid is responsible for now 400,000 + deaths. Shouldn't the 2020 number be a hell of a lot higher?

So the question becomes: How many people died OF COVID and How many died (of other causes) WITH Covid?:boom:

Does it matter if you died directly of covid or from a pre existing health condition accentuated by covid? Bottom line is over this past year many people were living with their underlying health issues but caught covid and now they are dead.

Just wear a mask and you may save a life!

[coffeebean]

MASK, MASK, MASK, MASK
TALK, TALK, TALK, TALK

I see The Villages clearing emerging as 50% going about their lives again, Going to the Squares, Eating Out, etc. And 50% will worry and wear Masks. IRONIC is that wearing a Mask is PRIMARILY for the protection of "OTHERS". And "OTHERS" are Not wearing Masks. See the IRONY there.

Reminds me of a comedian once at a huge Concert that asked everyone to shake hands with the person behind them. When you did this the person behind you was turned around trying to shake the hand of the person behind them and so on and so on. Big Laugh at this mental ineptitude.

Those "others" continue to perpetuate this pandemic. Vaccines alone, unfortunately, are not the answer. We have been repeatedly asked by the CDC and the expert epidemiologists to continue our mitigation efforts and that means mask wearing and social distancing. I guess we won't get back to normal life for a long time with all these folks who continue to live life like there is no global pandemic.

[allenpegg1@gmail.com]

Me neither. I've known quite a few, including family and friends that have HAD the WuhanChineseCorona Virus, but no one that I know have passed away with it. I'm not certain the death numbers are correct - how many gave died of the FLU this season? FLU deaths are down 98% - how can that be???

[Gulfcoast]

So we've been doing a good enough job wearing masks and social distancing to pretty much eradicate the flu. But Covid is still going around because "some people" continue to be careless - not careless enough to pass the flu around but careless enough to pass Covid around? This makes sense...how???

[jimjamuser]

How can you compare a virus with driving drunk? If one does not have the virus, they are not dangerous. You only find that person GUILTY of being dangerous because of hysteria, not fact. A person driving drunk is positive for alcohol influence and is guilty of willfully putting others in danger. You cannot charge someone with putting you in danger when there is no danger and no evidence of danger.
If I am immune to the virus and refuse to wear a mask then you cannot accuse me of being a danger to you.
They were talking about those who have the virus and do not know it - like many children. They are called asymptomatic. That is why every human is a potential danger to every other human. Some do NOT know this basic fact.

[Swoop]

Those "others" continue to perpetuate this pandemic. Vaccines alone, unfortunately, are not the answer. We have been repeatedly asked by the CDC and the expert epidemiologists to continue our mitigation efforts and that means mask wearing and social distancing. I guess we won't get back to normal life for a long time with all these folks who continue to live life like there is no global pandemic.
Let’s travel way back in time to March & April 2020. The epidemiologists, scientists & “experts” told us that we need to social distance, wear masks, close restaurants, gyms, schools. We even had one way grocery isles... All based on the idea of “flattening the curve” - to not overrun hospital ICU capacity. Wearing masks and social distancing was never intended to stop the virus, at best it was to help slow the spread. Now there is a vaccine for the vulnerable. Yet people still cling to the false narrative that we must continue wearing masks to make the virus go away...

[coffeebean]

How can you compare a virus with driving drunk? If one does not have the virus, they are not dangerous. You only find that person GUILTY of being dangerous because of hysteria, not fact. A person driving drunk is positive for alcohol influence and is guilty of willfully putting others in danger. You cannot charge someone with putting you in danger when there is no danger and no evidence of danger.
If I am immune to the virus and refuse to wear a mask then you cannot accuse me of being a danger to you.

There are different types of immunity.This article gives an excellent explanation why those who are vaccinated may still transmit the virus to others...........

Effective Immunity and the COVID-19 Vaccines (https://www.verywellhealth.com/effective-immunity-and-the-covid-19-vaccines-5093661)

[stanley]

They were talking about those who have the virus and do not know it - like many children. They are called asymptomatic. That is why every human is a potential danger to every other human. Some do NOT know this basic fact.

Oh stop you're scaring me. :ohdear::ohdear:

[coffeebean]

So this is the explanation that I have heard for the drop in Covid cases....

President Biden rejoined the WHO. The WHO now recommends 2 positive tests plus symptoms to be counted as a positive result. Naturally, when you change the criteria like that, the cases would tend to magically drop.

Oh, and there have been practically no flu cases this year. That seems pretty amazing, doesn't it?

I feel like we are living in Lalaland.

So......those people who test positive for what ever reason (example may be to return to work or begin work) they were tested but are asymptomatic are NOT counted in the numbers as a case? That is just wrong.

[coffeebean]

So we've been doing a good enough job wearing masks and social distancing to pretty much eradicate the flu. But Covid is still going around because "some people" continue to be careless - not careless enough to pass the flu around but careless enough to pass Covid around? This makes sense...how???

Among many differences between the Flu and Covid, Covid is more contagious and deadly. This article from the Mayo Clinic explains the differences between these two diseases.....

COVID-19 (coronavirus) vs. flu: Similarities and differences - Mayo Clinic (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-vs-flu/art-20490339#:~:text=Flu%20symptoms%20usually%20appear %20about,19%20than%20the%20flu.)

[coffeebean]

Let’s travel way back in time to March & April 2020. The epidemiologists, scientists & “experts” told us that we need to social distance, wear masks, close restaurants, gyms, schools. We even had one way grocery isles... All based on the idea of “flattening the curve” - to not overrun hospital ICU capacity. Wearing masks and social distancing was never intended to stop the virus, at best it was to help slow the spread. Now there is a vaccine for the vulnerable. Yet people still cling to the false narrative that we must continue wearing masks to make the virus go away...
People still "cling to the false narrative that we must continue wearing masks to make the virus go away" because the experts, scientists and doctors are pleading with us all to do so. Have you read this article that explains why masks and distancing will still be necessary even after a person has been vaccinated with both shots?

Effective Immunity and the COVID-19 Vaccines (https://www.verywellhealth.com/effective-immunity-and-the-covid-19-vaccines-5093661)

[Gulfcoast]

Among many differences between the Flu and Covid, Covid is more contagious and deadly. This article from the Mayo Clinic explains the differences between these two diseases.....

COVID-19 (coronavirus) vs. flu: Similarities and differences - Mayo Clinic (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-vs-flu/art-20490339#:~:text=Flu%20symptoms%20usually%20appear %20about,19%20than%20the%20flu.)

It makes no sense that if I hold a "super spreader event" like an indoor Super Bowl party with 500 of my closest, maskless friends that the only virus that we would spread among us is COVID, never the flu.

Think about all of the super spreader events held across the nation all year. Much of them maskless. But no flu this year.

[Nell57]

No, I haven't.

You are fortunate that you have not lost a friend or loved one. I've lost 3, ages 73, 51 and 64. It is a slow, miserable, lonely death. You don't want your life to end that way.

[Gulfcoast]

So......those people who test positive for what ever reason (example may be to return to work or begin work) they were tested but are asymptomatic are NOT counted in the numbers as a case? That is just wrong.

Ask the WHO. It's their criteria. I've seen studies that indicate that there is no evidence of asymptomatic spread, basically if you have no symptoms, if you aren't sick, you aren't spreading it. I believe University of Florida did such a study.

[Swoop]

People still "cling to the false narrative that we must continue wearing masks to make the virus go away" because the experts, scientists and doctors are pleading with us all to do so. Have you read this article that explains why masks and distancing will still be necessary even after a person has been vaccinated with both shots?

Effective Immunity and the COVID-19 Vaccines (https://www.verywellhealth.com/effective-immunity-and-the-covid-19-vaccines-5093661)

Did you actually read the article? The only time masks are even mentioned is in the last sentence and it contradicts the basis of the article. The premise of the article, is that in order to beat Covid, we need to achieve herd immunity quickly to avoid a genetic variant of the virus that is resistant to the vaccine and previously developed antibodies.The fastest way to herd immunity is through vaccines and naturally occurring antibodies from those who have been infected. Wearing masks will, at best, only prolong the spread of the virus and therefore the development of antibodies, thus giving resistant strains the opportunity to emerge. Considering that more than 40% of Americans do not intend to be vaccinated, the quickest way to herd immunity is to allow the virus to run its course. The longer it takes to reach herd immunity the greater the chance that the vaccine you are taking will no longer protect you against a mutated strain of the virus...

[Pat2015]

I asked someone to put a mask on in the grocery store the other day and the scruffy, dirty old man said he did not believe in the virus. They are definitely around because they all watch the same news feed.
What news feed would that be?

[Love2Swim]

Did you actually read the article? The only time masks are even mentioned is in the last sentence and it contradicts the basis of the article. The premise of the article, is that in order to beat Covid, we need to achieve herd immunity quickly to avoid a genetic variant of the virus that is resistant to the vaccine and previously developed antibodies.The fastest way to herd immunity is through vaccines and naturally occurring antibodies from those who have been infected. Wearing masks will, at best, only prolong the spread of the virus and therefore the development of antibodies, thus giving resistant strains the opportunity to emerge. Considering that more than 40% of Americans do not intend to be vaccinated, the quickest way to herd immunity is to allow the virus to run its course. The longer it takes to reach herd immunity the greater the chance that the vaccine you are taking will no longer protect you against a mutated strain of the virus...

I don't agree with your logic. Yes, the fastest way to herd immunity is through vaccines. And people need to keep wearing masks until a large percentage of the population has been vaccinated, to keep the mutations down. According to polls, as of Jan 21, about 2/3 of the population has said they would get the vaccine.According to Fauci, we need about 75% to get the vaccine. So we're close. I'm hoping people will do the right thing.The government is doing all possible to increase the vaccine supply and to help the states with whatever they need to get vaccines in arms.

[coffeebean]

Did you actually read the article? The only time masks are even mentioned is in the last sentence and it contradicts the basis of the article. The premise of the article, is that in order to beat Covid, we need to achieve herd immunity quickly to avoid a genetic variant of the virus that is resistant to the vaccine and previously developed antibodies.The fastest way to herd immunity is through vaccines and naturally occurring antibodies from those who have been infected. Wearing masks will, at best, only prolong the spread of the virus and therefore the development of antibodies, thus giving resistant strains the opportunity to emerge. Considering that more than 40% of Americans do not intend to be vaccinated, the quickest way to herd immunity is to allow the virus to run its course. The longer it takes to reach herd immunity the greater the chance that the vaccine you are taking will no longer protect you against a mutated strain of the virus...
Yes, I read the entire article. I always read the articles I link in my posts. The article explains why "Even as concerns about the virus hopefully start to wane as more and more people get vaccinated, current public health measures including social distancing and face masks will likely need to be sustained." That was my take on it.

The quoted section of this post is the last paragraph of the article in case there are those who did not read it.

[Swoop]

Yes, I read the entire article. I always read the articles I link in my posts. The article explains why "Even as concerns about the virus hopefully start to wane as more and more people get vaccinated, current public health measures including social distancing and face masks will likely need to be sustained." That was my take on it.

The quoted section of this post is the last paragraph of the article in case there are those who did not read it.
As I said in my reply, that quote is the only time in the entire article that masks are mentioned. It is a throwaway line at the end of the article which actually contradicts the article itself.

[Swoop]

I don't agree with your logic. Yes, the fastest way to herd immunity is through vaccines. And people need to keep wearing masks until a large percentage of the population has been vaccinated, to keep the mutations down. According to polls, as of Jan 21, about 2/3 of the population has said they would get the vaccine.According to Fauci, we need about 75% to get the vaccine. So we're close. I'm hoping people will do the right thing.The government is doing all possible to increase the vaccine supply and to help the states with whatever they need to get vaccines in arms.
It’s not my logic, it’s the logic of the author of the article. I wasn’t the one who posted a link to that article. That was another poster who claimed that the article supported her belief in long term mask wearing. I simply pointed out that she used a very bad example to support her position. I think it’s a lazy approach to use an opinion piece to back you assertions. It’s much more effective to use numbers and facts, but if are going to use an opinion piece, at least be smart enough to choose one that coincides with your beliefs...

[Byte1]

Well, you all can hysterically argue that wearing a mask is a necessity to the survival of the human race all you wish but I have no intention of wearing one once I have my second shot. I have never worn a mask in my lifetime for some illness and I have no intention of doing so for this MAN MADE scourge. When the hurricane came through here, I did not run to a shelter. I stayed home and watched the tracking on cable and followed it as it left the area. No one can make you go to a shelter during a storm. They even say "mandatory evacuation" and folks still stay home.
Anyone that suggests that you are putting someone in danger if you do not wear a mask is just being ludicrous. If you are not infected, whether or not you know for sure, you can not be held responsible for putting anyone in danger. These hysterical nellies need to shut up and go hide under their beds or in their leftover safe rooms and let the rest of the world pass them by.
By this time next year or the next, anyone tested will probably test positive for the virus, even though they have no infection. I have seen folks test positive for TB that did not have it, just came into contact with someone that had it. Most likely, EVERYONE will have come into contact with someone that has had it, has it or will have it. It will be in everyone and it is just a matter of time. IT will get weaker and weaker until it will be as common, but less harmful than the common cold. Just my opinion but just as valid as anything that false profit, Fauci might say.
If you wish to wear a mask because of the slightest risk of becoming infected, then go for it. In Tokyo you will see that it is common and has been for years to see many folks wearing face masks. If you wish to wear one, do it but leave the rest of us that are willing to sacrifice the one in a million chance of dying from this man made virus, alone to live our "dangerous" lives. It will not have any effect on you IF you wear a good mask.
I will reiterate what I have said many times on here, IT IS NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR HEALTH. If you folks are so weak that you need someone else to be responsible for you, we have nursing homes set up to check you in.
Selfish? oooo, that hurts..........NOT!

[coffeebean]

It’s not my logic, it’s the logic of the author of the article. I wasn’t the one who posted a link to that article. That was another poster who claimed that the article supported her belief in long term mask wearing. I simply pointed out that she used a very bad example to support her position. I think it’s a lazy approach to use an opinion piece to back you assertions. It’s much more effective to use numbers and facts, but if are going to use an opinion piece, at least be smart enough to choose one that coincides with your beliefs...



"As effective as the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines are in preventing illness, we don't know yet if they will entirely erase the risk of infection or further transmission of the virus."

This paragraph which is actually highlighted in the article, tells me that masks WILL be in our future for quite some time. What does this paragraph say to you?

[Joe V.]

Well, you all can hysterically argue that wearing a mask is a necessity to the survival of the human race all you wish but I have no intention of wearing one once I have my second shot. I have never worn a mask in my lifetime for some illness and I have no intention of doing so for this MAN MADE scourge. When the hurricane came through here, I did not run to a shelter. I stayed home and watched the tracking on cable and followed it as it left the area. No one can make you go to a shelter during a storm. They even say "mandatory evacuation" and folks still stay home.
Anyone that suggests that you are putting someone in danger if you do not wear a mask is just being ludicrous. If you are not infected, whether or not you know for sure, you can not be held responsible for putting anyone in danger. These hysterical nellies need to shut up and go hide under their beds or in their leftover safe rooms and let the rest of the world pass them by.
By this time next year or the next, anyone tested will probably test positive for the virus, even though they have no infection. I have seen folks test positive for TB that did not have it, just came into contact with someone that had it. Most likely, EVERYONE will have come into contact with someone that has had it, has it or will have it. It will be in everyone and it is just a matter of time. IT will get weaker and weaker until it will be as common, but less harmful than the common cold. Just my opinion but just as valid as anything that false profit, Fauci might say.
If you wish to wear a mask because of the slightest risk of becoming infected, then go for it. In Tokyo you will see that it is common and has been for years to see many folks wearing face masks. If you wish to wear one, do it but leave the rest of us that are willing to sacrifice the one in a million chance of dying from this man made virus, alone to live our "dangerous" lives. It will not have any effect on you IF you wear a good mask.
I will reiterate what I have said many times on here, IT IS NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR HEALTH. If you folks are so weak that you need someone else to be responsible for you, we have nursing homes set up to check you in.
Selfish? oooo, that hurts..........NOT!


2nd shot tomorrow. In a few weeks the only time I will wear a mask again is if there is a business I must enter requires one. People need to take charge of their own health. Wear your masks or cower in fear. I do not care. I have the rest of my life to live, the way I want. That is my right. So long, mask cultists!

[Bill14564]

The things people are willing to write in a public forum... WOW, just WOW!

[CoachKandSportsguy]

If someone goes around without a mask and doesn't sneeze or cough on you or something you touch(and if you do touch I assume you're applying a sanitizing solution of at least 70% alcohol)then you have nothing to worry about.

The latest studies on the transmissibility of the B117 variant is that it is 35-40% more transmissible than the first variant, upon which most data has been collected. Recent B117 studies have shown that in an adequately ventilated space with subjects placed 6 feet apart and having masks and shields, subjects with beards in the study were infected after a significant periods of time, meaning several hours or more.

Estimated transmissibility and severity of novel SARS-CoV-2 Variant of Concern 202012/01 in England | CMMID Repository (https://cmmid.github.io/topics/covid19/uk-novel-variant.html)


good luck with your home grown beliefs.

science guy

[Swoop]

"As effective as the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines are in preventing illness, we don't know yet if they will entirely erase the risk of infection or further transmission of the virus."

This paragraph which is actually highlighted in the article, tells me that masks WILL be in our future for quite some time. What does this paragraph say to you?
You really want to beat that dead horse, don’t you?!? The article talks about how we can achieve herd immunity both with, and in addition to, the vaccine. Think for just a moment. For you to build immunity without the vaccine means you need to be exposed to the virus. If only 60% of Americans get vaccinated, the only way to reach the numbers required to achieve herd immunity is through the formation of naturally occurring antibodies from exposure to the virus. The article stressed that quicker we reach herd immunity the less time the virus has to mutate...
If you were looking for an article that supports your opinion that we should continue to wear masks, even after the distribution of the vaccine - you picked the wrong article...

[Justus]

I repeat. Had we initially been allowed to achieve herd immunity naturally - a year ago - the virus would have been history by now and we wouldn't be having this discussion. I still wonder if there's anyone on this forum who also watched the video of Bill and Melinda Gates' October, 2019 meeting with the WHO et al, setting the stage for a hypothetical Coronavirus pandemic...two months before Covid hit.

[Bill14564]

I repeat. Had we initially been allowed to achieve herd immunity naturally - a year ago - the virus would have been history by now and we wouldn't be having this discussion. I still wonder if there's anyone on this forum who also watched the video of Bill and Melinda Gates' October, 2019 meeting with the WHO et al, setting the stage for a hypothetical Coronavirus pandemic...two months before Covid hit.

Have you thought this through?

30M known infected so far. Possibility of 30M more infected but asymptomatic. 450,000 deaths. 75% of population with immunity as a minimum to stop the virus.

Fun with math:

450,000 deaths from 60M infections is a death rate of .75%

75% immunity among 330M US population means about 250M will need to be infected and develop immunity.

.75% death rate in a group of 250M means 1,875,000 deaths to get to the minimum immunity level required to stop he virus.

Are you really so callous as to wish for 1.3M MORE dead just so that you don't need to wear a mask in certain businesses for a little longer?

The conspirators recorded themselves discussing their plans, publicized it two months before putting the plan into action, and then removed it to cover their tracks? Yeah, okay.

[coffeebean]

You really want to beat that dead horse, don’t you?!? The article talks about how we can achieve herd immunity both with, and in addition to, the vaccine. Think for just a moment. For you to build immunity without the vaccine means you need to be exposed to the virus. If only 60% of Americans get vaccinated, the only way to reach the numbers required to achieve herd immunity is through the formation of naturally occurring antibodies from exposure to the virus. The article stressed that quicker we reach herd immunity the less time the virus has to mutate...
If you were looking for an article that supports your opinion that we should continue to wear masks, even after the distribution of the vaccine - you picked the wrong article...

The article we are discussing talks about the different types of immunity which can be achieved from vaccines. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines do not offer "sterilizing immunity". The way I understand what this article is saying is that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines will not prevent a vaccinated person from being a carrier of the virus and there is the possibility of a vaccinated person to have the ability to transmit the virus.

Here is another article that supports my POV. This article mentions masking early in the article........

Why You’ll Still Need to Wear a Mask After the COVID-19 Vaccine (https://www.prevention.com/health/a34904463/wearing-face-mask-after-covid-19-vaccine/)

[Justus]

Have you thought this through?

30M known infected so far. Possibility of 30M more infected but asymptomatic. 450,000 deaths. 75% of population with immunity as a minimum to stop the virus.

Fun with math:

450,000 deaths from 60M infections is a death rate of .75%

75% immunity among 330M US population means about 250M will need to be infected and develop immunity.

.75% death rate in a group of 250M means 1,875,000 deaths to get to the minimum immunity level required to stop he virus.

Are you really so callous as to wish for 1.3M MORE dead just so that you don't need to wear a mask in certain businesses for a little longer?

The conspirators recorded themselves discussing their plans, publicized it two months before putting the plan into action, and then removed it to cover their tracks? Yeah, okay.

IT's BEEN A YEAR!!! And you think it will be 'a little while longer' before you are given your freedom back? In another year, if you are still wearing a mask and marching lock-step with your fellow sheep, remember this quote, "...And then they came for me."

[Bill14564]

IT's BEEN A YEAR!!! And you think it will be 'a little while longer' before you are given your freedom back? In another year, if you are still wearing a mask and marching lock-step with your fellow sheep, remember this quote, "...And then they came for me."

So your answer is yes.

[Swoop]

The article we are discussing talks about the different types of immunity which can be achieved from vaccines. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines do not offer "sterilizing immunity". The way I understand what this article is saying is that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines will not prevent a vaccinated person from being a carrier of the virus and there is the possibility of a vaccinated person to have the ability to transmit the virus.

Here is another article that supports my POV. This article mentions masking early in the article........

Why You’ll Still Need to Wear a Mask After the COVID-19 Vaccine (https://www.prevention.com/health/a34904463/wearing-face-mask-after-covid-19-vaccine/)
Congratulations you finally found an article on the internet that actually agrees with your point of view!! It shouldn’t have been this hard. FYI, you can always find an article on the internet that will coincide with whatever your opinion is...

[golfing eagles]

The article we are discussing talks about the different types of immunity which can be achieved from vaccines. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines do not offer "sterilizing immunity". The way I understand what this article is saying is that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines will not prevent a vaccinated person from being a carrier of the virus and there is the possibility of a vaccinated person to have the ability to transmit the virus.

Here is another article that supports my POV. This article mentions masking early in the article........

Why You’ll Still Need to Wear a Mask After the COVID-19 Vaccine (https://www.prevention.com/health/a34904463/wearing-face-mask-after-covid-19-vaccine/)

Congratulations you finally found an article on the internet that actually agrees with your point of view!! It shouldn’t have been this hard. FYI, you can always find an article on the internet that will coincide with whatever opinion is...

Actually, she didn't

First of all, the article is from that well respected medical journal---Prevention magazine :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

But more important, her "quote" was that neither vaccine provides "sterilizing immunity" However, the actual article states

"Detailed data has not been released yet on whether the vaccines offer what’s known as sterilizing immunity, in which those who are vaccinated can’t contract or pass on the virus at all. Until more research is done, there’s a possibility that people who are vaccinated can still become infected without symptoms and spread the coronavirus to those who have net yet received the vaccine."

BIG DIFFERENCE THERE. Always good to change the facts to suit your own personal POV

[rphil11ort]

the good thing that is happening is hospitalizations are down... Get your shot and feel safe

[coffeebean]

Congratulations you finally found an article on the internet that actually agrees with your point of view!! It shouldn’t have been this hard. FYI, you can always find an article on the internet that will coincide with whatever your opinion is...

I don't WANT to wear a mask after I have my second shot (in two days, YAY!). Believe me, I don't. Did I ever give you the impression I want to continue to wear a mask after I have been fully vaccinated? The short answer is "HELL NO".

The fact is I listen to the people who know a lot more than I do about these vaccines. The experts say to continue to mask and social distance to keep the community safe. That is why I will continue to wear a mask when I am in public spaces indoors. I never have worn a mask outdoors so will not change that habit. I do, however, stay away from people and do not go to crowded areas outside.

[coffeebean]

Actually, she didn't

First of all, the article is from that well respected medical journal---Prevention magazine :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

But more important, her "quote" was that neither vaccine provides "sterilizing immunity" However, the actual article states

"Detailed data has not been released yet on whether the vaccines offer what’s known as sterilizing immunity, in which those who are vaccinated can’t contract or pass on the virus at all. Until more research is done, there’s a possibility that people who are vaccinated can still become infected without symptoms and spread the coronavirus to those who have net yet received the vaccine."

BIG DIFFERENCE THERE. Always good to change the facts to suit your own personal POV
Honestly, there is nothing more I would like than to be informed that there is absolutely NO POSSIBILITY that a vaccinated person can infect someone else. I will burn my masks, really I will, if that information came to fruition.

Do you really think I enjoy masking? I can not wait for the day we can see people again without masks on their faces. Really!

[Love2Swim]

I don't WANT to wear a mask after I have my second shot (in two days, YAY!). Believe me, I don't. Did I ever give you the impression I want to continue to wear a mask after I have been fully vaccinated? The short answer is "HELL NO".

The fact is I listen to the people who know a lot more than I do about these vaccines. The experts say to continue to mask and social distance to keep the community safe. That is why I will continue to wear a mask when I am in public spaces indoors. I never have worn a mask outdoors so will not change that habit. I do, however, stay away from people and do not go to crowded areas outside.

:bigbow: