Should all dogs be muzzled?

[Byte1]

Hypothetical.:doggie:
A friend of mine was walking through his neighborhood in the Villages and as he walked past a neighbor walking his dog, the dog lunged at him and bit him. Not severely, but the shock that it could have been serious, scared him as well as the dog's owner.

Question:
Should ALL dogs be muzzled when they are not on their own property?
What distance should one pass a leashed dog in the street for their safety?
If the dog has been vaccinated for rabies, can he still carry the virus?

Even though only one of many dogs in the Villages is guilty of biting a passing stranger, should ALL dogs then be muzzled to protect other folks, just in case? Or should you maintain a "social distance" from walking dogs to protect yourself? If the dog is on a leash that is only six foot long and under control of the owner, is it the owner's responsibility to put a muzzle on the dog IF you decide to approach or is it your responsibility to maintain a safe distance to protect yourself? What if the owner tells you that his dog has never ever bitten or attempted to bite anyone, ever? Do you still approach that dog IF you are worried about being bitten?

So, would you muzzle all the dogs in America, if one dog that had rabies bit someone and they died? If so, even after hearing that most dogs were vaccinated?

Does this argument sound familiar?
Hint: This has nothing to do with animals.

[Bill14564]

Cutting to the chase: yes, you need to continue wearing the mask until those around you are vaccinated and safe from what you or others may unknowingly be carrying.

(If it is desperately needed I can play along with your analogy but this is just quicker.)

[Byte1]

Cutting to the chase: yes, you need to continue wearing the mask until those around you are vaccinated and safe from what you or others may unknowingly be carrying.

(If it is desperately needed I can play along with your analogy but this is just quicker.)

Ah, but also going along with your playing along with my analogy, if everyone is vaccinated, and only have a 90% efficacy, then everyone could still be vulnerable by those that may be carrying the virus that have been vaccinated. Your hypothetical suggests that "others may unknowingly be carrying" even though they are protected.

My suggestion is that it is not one person's responsibility to protect you. It is your responsibility to protect yourself. Otherwise, you are handicapped and reliant on others for your well being. :D
My question remains, is everyone supposed to be punished/penalized for the faults of one? I know my answer, but others do not seem to see the fallacy of expecting others to be "my brother's keeper."

[Velvet]

No, some dogs don’t deserve to be muzzled but... no leashes longer than 6 feet should be allowed if walking off your property. A long leash is useless - equivalent to no leash at all. You can’t control any dog with a retractable leash, I know I’ve had them and the dogs too. Then a walker can keep 6ft from the dog and be pretty safe. Other than that be prepared for any dog to get startled and attack.

(Sorry for not going along with the analogy. But all people who can should wear masks N95 ones, if we had done it in March there would have been no lockdowns, the economy would be booming, we would still have president Trump. We would be free in our country at least everywhere, maybe not international travel. One month folks, it’s all it takes, and that would mean wearing a mask everywhere and by everyone pretty well. But the “ma rights” people prefer the ravages of Covid.)

[Bill14564]

Ah, but also going along with your playing along with my analogy, if everyone is vaccinated, and only have a 90% efficacy, then everyone could still be vulnerable by those that may be carrying the virus that have been vaccinated. Your hypothetical suggests that "others may unknowingly be carrying" even though they are protected.

My suggestion is that it is not one person's responsibility to protect you. It is your responsibility to protect yourself. Otherwise, you are handicapped and reliant on others for your well being. :D
My question remains, is everyone supposed to be punished/penalized for the faults of one? I know my answer, but others do not seem to see the fallacy of expecting others to be "my brother's keeper."

A 90% or better chance that you are not carrying it added to the 90% chance that it will not adversely affect me is good enough for me. Take either of those away and additional measures are necessary.

"Not one's responsibility to protect you." I believe that argument has been tried with both HIV and measles with poor outcomes.

"Faults of one." It is hard to call it someone's fault for catching an invisible virus that they were unwittingly exposed to. If someone is a carrier of a disease, and right now everyone is a potential carrier, then society asks (and sometimes demands) that the carrier take precautions to protect the vulnerable that they come into contact with, and right now nearly everyone is vulnerable.

All this can change when two milestones are met: 1. everyone who desires to be vaccinated is vaccinated; and, 2. new infections drop to near zero. The first milestone is the 90/90 point and it is safe to assume both that you won't be exposed and that you won't die if you are. The second milestone is simply an indication that the 90/90 point has been attained.

[oldtimes]

Yet another mask thread :ohdear:

[DAVES]

Hypothetical.:doggie:
A friend of mine was walking through his neighborhood in the Villages and as he walked past a neighbor walking his dog, the dog lunged at him and bit him. Not severely, but the shock that it could have been serious, scared him as well as the dog's owner.

Question:
Should ALL dogs be muzzled when they are not on their own property?
What distance should one pass a leashed dog in the street for their safety?
If the dog has been vaccinated for rabies, can he still carry the virus?

Even though only one of many dogs in the Villages is guilty of biting a passing stranger, should ALL dogs then be muzzled to protect other folks, just in case? Or should you maintain a "social distance" from walking dogs to protect yourself? If the dog is on a leash that is only six foot long and under control of the owner, is it the owner's responsibility to put a muzzle on the dog IF you decide to approach or is it your responsibility to maintain a safe distance to protect yourself? What if the owner tells you that his dog has never ever bitten or attempted to bite anyone, ever? Do you still approach that dog IF you are worried about being bitten?

So, would you muzzle all the dogs in America, if one dog that had rabies bit someone and they died? If so, even after hearing that most dogs were vaccinated?

Does this argument sound familiar?
Hint: This has nothing to do with animals.

Reality-Hypothetical? Perhaps, you need to look up the word.

As to this case like it or not you should report the incident. A dog will not just attack with no provocation, with no warning unless it is ill or????? It is possible but not likely this is the first time for this particular dog.

Experience, my sister got a rescue dog. The dog as you report would attack unprovoked with no warning. Her vet told her she should have the dog put down and that is what she did. Not easy but if the tale is as you report that dog needs to be put down.

[EdFNJ]

reality-hypothetical? Perhaps, you need to look up the word.

As to this case like it or not you should report the incident. A dog will not just attack with no provocation, with no warning unless it is ill or????? It is possible but not likely this is the first time for this particular dog.

Experience, my sister got a rescue dog. The dog as you report would attack unprovoked with no warning. Her vet told her she should have the dog put down and that is what she did. Not easy but if the tale is as you report that dog needs to be put down.

knock knock IT'S (YET ANOTHER) MASK THREAD!

hypothetical.

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does this argument sound familiar?
Hint: This has nothing to do with animals.

[MSchad]

Cutting to the chase: yes, you need to continue wearing the mask until those around you are vaccinated and safe from what you or others may unknowingly be carrying.

(If it is desperately needed I can play along with your analogy but this is just quicker.)
So, for those that decide against getting the vaccine, the rest need to continue to wear a mask ?

[Bill14564]

So, for those that decide against getting the vaccine, the rest need to continue to wear a mask ?

Not if I were king.

Right now the demand far exceeds the supply. Right now we need to protect those who want the vaccine but cannot get it.

Once everyone who desires a vaccination can get a vaccination then I feel that changes. Society can't be held hostage by the few anti-vax or covid-deniers who refuse to join the mainstream. Society should protect those who would like to be vaccinated but cannot but society doesn't have to protect those who could be vaccinated but choose not to. They made a choice and they will live (or not) with that choice.

[Topspinmo]

No, some dogs don’t deserve to be muzzled but... no leashes longer than 6 feet should be allowed if walking off your property. A long leash is useless - equivalent to no leash at all. You can’t control any dog with a retractable leash, I know I’ve had them and the dogs too. Then a walker can keep 6ft from the dog and be pretty safe. Other than that be prepared for any dog to get startled and attack.

(Sorry for not going along with the analogy. But all people who can should wear masks N95 ones, if we had done it in March there would have been no lockdowns, the economy would be booming, we would still have president Trump. We would be free in our country at least everywhere, maybe not international travel. One month folks, it’s all it takes, and that would mean wearing a mask everywhere and by everyone pretty well. But the “ma rights” people prefer the ravages of Covid.)

IMO It’s not reel leash, it the owner. The reel leash has lock on it. anytime anybody within 20 feet the leash should be locked at 3 feet. Anybody walking needs to avoid dogs period, owners walking dogs needs to avoid people period. I gladly move away from dogs, people, golf carts, bicycle riders when out walking.

IMO You mask opinion is just that opinion. After last February you could not get N95 masks. They were reserved mainly for first responders and health care workers. They was and never been 330 million plus N95 masks available.

[Mortal1]

Short answer: no

Why? Because there have been "dogs" that bite for thousands of years and they aren't even self aware. Every biting dog needs to be taking as a single case. Perhaps they should have muzzled all peking dogs.

When you have to tell people the story isn't about "dogs" the assumption is most non-dogs are ignorant. Wouldn't that be a sign of arrogance? Perhaps arrogant people should be muzzled.....

[Mortal1]

IMO You mask opinion is just that opinion. After last February you could not get N95 masks. They were reserved mainly for first responders and health care workers. They was and never been 330 million plus N95 masks available.

Sounds like someone who'd want everyone to wear a prophylatic just so females don't accidentally pregnant, or woman a chastity belt. The mask and all other precautions will not stop the people from getting the virus and is mostly used to make people feel "safer". Ask yourself if there is anything you bring into your home that you know inside and out has been infected.....you can not....not 100%.

It's a chance we all take just being alive.

[EdFNJ]

Perhaps the "hypotheticals" (which are actually metaphors and not hypotheticals) and the "<wink><wink> you know what I really mean" subliminal messages rather than saying what one means is the issue.

[Topspinmo]

Sounds like someone who'd want everyone to wear a prophylatic just so females don't accidentally pregnant, or woman a chastity belt. The mask and all other precautions will not stop the people from getting the virus and is mostly used to make people feel "safer". Ask yourself if there is anything you bring into your home that you know inside and out has been infected.....you can not....not 100%.

It's a chance we all take just being alive.

IMO the world over populated, it there anything that should be free it’s prophylactic’s. :)

[Velvet]

IMO It’s not reel leash, it the owner. The reel leash has lock on it. anytime anybody within 20 feet the leash should be locked at 3 feet. Anybody walking needs to avoid dogs period, owners walking dogs needs to avoid people period. I gladly move away from dogs, people, golf carts, bicycle riders when out walking.

IMO You mask opinion is just that opinion. After last February you could not get N95 masks. They were reserved mainly for first responders and health care workers. They was and never been 330 million plus N95 masks available.

You are right, there were not enough n95 masks available at any time and they did need to be reserved for the first line workers.

I am just dreaming... still if we had put our effort into controlling the virus...to me wearing a mask is comparable to wearing gloves or socks, no biggie. Skiers wear it for cold - something so much less significant. We would at this time have the virus under control. Not just my opinion, I got the info from medical people. But why would anyone believe them? Why would anyone believe any one? We are in a society with people who prefer fairy tales.

[Dgizzi]

I don’t think dogs should be allowed in restaurants and bars. I’ve been to Cody’s and seen dogs lunge at people. I love animals but I’m tired of them being in restaurants where I eat. Or getting hit with a stroller with a dog in it.

[Rosebud2020]

I have not read all the replies so I apologize if I am doubling up on one . . .

Making your query UNhypothetical -- No. I would not muzzle all dogs.

However, what should be done is to muzzle all humans. YES!

Yes -- give all unmuzzled dogs a wide range when passing them on the street.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

People who act like rabid dogs ready to bite you head off when you ask them to wear a mask a d keep their distance should be muzzled.

[Two Bills]

All unvaccinated dog owners should be on a short leash, wearing a muzzle.
Any dog walking an unleashed or unmuzzled owner should be impounded.
All vaccinated people should be unmuzzled, and dancing and getting p****d up at the squares!

[Cobullymom]

Ah, but also going along with your playing along with my analogy, if everyone is vaccinated, and only have a 90% efficacy, then everyone could still be vulnerable by those that may be carrying the virus that have been vaccinated. Your hypothetical suggests that "others may unknowingly be carrying" even though they are protected.

My suggestion is that it is not one person's responsibility to protect you. It is your responsibility to protect yourself. Otherwise, you are handicapped and reliant on others for your well being. :D
My question remains, is everyone supposed to be punished/penalized for the faults of one? I know my answer, but others do not seem to see the fallacy of expecting others to be "my brother's keeper."
Bingo! Thank you...I’ll take care of myself..

[Cobullymom]

People who act like rabid dogs ready to bite you head off when you ask them to wear a mask a d keep their distance should be muzzled.
People who tell others what to do are acting like rabid dogs, there is no mandatory masks while people are out walking outside..BTW this dog will bite back if provoked...

[Girlcopper]

No, some dogs don’t deserve to be muzzled but... no leashes longer than 6 feet should be allowed if walking off your property. A long leash is useless - equivalent to no leash at all. You can’t control any dog with a retractable leash, I know I’ve had them and the dogs too. Then a walker can keep 6ft from the dog and be pretty safe. Other than that be prepared for any dog to get startled and attack.

(Sorry for not going along with the analogy. But all people who can should wear masks N95 ones, if we had done it in March there would have been no lockdowns, the economy would be booming, we would still have president Trump. We would be free in our country at least everywhere, maybe not international travel. One month folks, it’s all it takes, and that would mean wearing a mask everywhere and by everyone pretty well. But the “ma rights” people prefer the ravages of Covid.)
Finally, one person here has common sense. Thank you for your responsible comments

[Nanny32162]

Hypothetical.:doggie:
A friend of mine was walking through his neighborhood in the Villages and as he walked past a neighbor walking his dog, the dog lunged at him and bit him. Not severely, but the shock that it could have been serious, scared him as well as the dog's owner.

Question:
Should ALL dogs be muzzled when they are not on their own property?
What distance should one pass a leashed dog in the street for their safety?
If the dog has been vaccinated for rabies, can he still carry the virus?

Even though only one of many dogs in the Villages is guilty of biting a passing stranger, should ALL dogs then be muzzled to protect other folks, just in case? Or should you maintain a "social distance" from walking dogs to protect yourself? If the dog is on a leash that is only six foot long and under control of the owner, is it the owner's responsibility to put a muzzle on the dog IF you decide to approach or is it your responsibility to maintain a safe distance to protect yourself? What if the owner tells you that his dog has never ever bitten or attempted to bite anyone, ever? Do you still approach that dog IF you are worried about being bitten?

So, would you muzzle all the dogs in America, if one dog that had rabies bit someone and they died? If so, even after hearing that most dogs were vaccinated?

Does this argument sound familiar?
Hint: This has nothing to do with animals.
I choose the quick answer. Yes, everyone should wear a mask when out of his/her own home. Not only does a mask protect the wearer, it is the responsible action to protect others. Be a responsible adult, who cares about others - WEAR A MASK.

[vmstygar@gmail.com]

Hypothetical.:doggie:
A friend of mine was walking through his neighborhood in the Villages and as he walked past a neighbor walking his dog, the dog lunged at him and bit him. Not severely, but the shock that it could have been serious, scared him as well as the dog's owner.

Question:
Should ALL dogs be muzzled when they are not on their own property?
What distance should one pass a leashed dog in the street for their safety?
If the dog has been vaccinated for rabies, can he still carry the virus?

Even though only one of many dogs in the Villages is guilty of biting a passing stranger, should ALL dogs then be muzzled to protect other folks, just in case? Or should you maintain a "social distance" from walking dogs to protect yourself? If the dog is on a leash that is only six foot long and under control of the owner, is it the owner's responsibility to put a muzzle on the dog IF you decide to approach or is it your responsibility to maintain a safe distance to protect yourself? What if the owner tells you that his dog has never ever bitten or attempted to bite anyone, ever? Do you still approach that dog IF you are worried about being bitten?

So, would you muzzle all the dogs in America, if one dog that had rabies bit someone and they died? If so, even after hearing that most dogs were vaccinated?

Does this argument sound familiar?
Hint: This has nothing to do with animals.
I believe Byte1 was asking if the Dog can still have the rabies virus if it has been vaccinated...

[merrymini]

A great many assumptions and many may be all wrong. I know people who became ill and THEY WORE MASKS ALL THE TIME. Just because someone does not want the shot (I am one) does not make them an anti vaxxer. I will wait and see, if you do not grow another head, and some of you NEED another head, I will consider it. If you think people will tolerate the loss of their freedoms SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU you can go to you know where.

[WesMan]

Hypothetical.:doggie:
A friend of mine was walking through his neighborhood in the Villages and as he walked past a neighbor walking his dog, the dog lunged at him and bit him. Not severely, but the shock that it could have been serious, scared him as well as the dog's owner.

Question:
Should ALL dogs be muzzled when they are not on their own property?
What distance should one pass a leashed dog in the street for their safety?
If the dog has been vaccinated for rabies, can he still carry the virus?

Even though only one of many dogs in the Villages is guilty of biting a passing stranger, should ALL dogs then be muzzled to protect other folks, just in case? Or should you maintain a "social distance" from walking dogs to protect yourself? If the dog is on a leash that is only six foot long and under control of the owner, is it the owner's responsibility to put a muzzle on the dog IF you decide to approach or is it your responsibility to maintain a safe distance to protect yourself? What if the owner tells you that his dog has never ever bitten or attempted to bite anyone, ever? Do you still approach that dog IF you are worried about being bitten?

So, would you muzzle all the dogs in America, if one dog that had rabies bit someone and they died? If so, even after hearing that most dogs were vaccinated?

Does this argument sound familiar?
Hint: This has nothing to do with animals.
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

[tvbound]

A high percentage of those who are anti-vaccine or chafing at wearing masks, because of the supposed "freedoms" being lost, had basically no problems with the multitude of freedoms lost after 9/11. So, what's the dif?

[Kgcetm]

Just something else for you to worry about. Do you leave the house each day looking for something else that would prevent you having happiness in TV?

[Byte1]

A 90% or better chance that you are not carrying it added to the 90% chance that it will not adversely affect me is good enough for me. Take either of those away and additional measures are necessary.

"Not one's responsibility to protect you." I believe that argument has been tried with both HIV and measles with poor outcomes.

"Faults of one." It is hard to call it someone's fault for catching an invisible virus that they were unwittingly exposed to. If someone is a carrier of a disease, and right now everyone is a potential carrier, then society asks (and sometimes demands) that the carrier take precautions to protect the vulnerable that they come into contact with, and right now nearly everyone is vulnerable.

All this can change when two milestones are met: 1. everyone who desires to be vaccinated is vaccinated; and, 2. new infections drop to near zero. The first milestone is the 90/90 point and it is safe to assume both that you won't be exposed and that you won't die if you are. The second milestone is simply an indication that the 90/90 point has been attained.

Ah, but your "milestone" is impossible unless you MANDATE conformance. You said "everyone who desires to be vaccinated is vaccinated; and, 2. new infections drop to near zero." Not everyone will "desire to be vaccinated" therefore, you are mandating total future mandated compliance with mask wearing. And the only way to your 90% no infections is to eradicate the virus, which can only be done with herd immunity. So, you are asking(?) or actually REQUIRING a mask mandate.
With your HIV correlation, everyone would be mandated to wear a condom, regardless of whether or not they could or wished to have sex. So that association with today's issue is not relative.

[Byte1]

No, some dogs don’t deserve to be muzzled but... no leashes longer than 6 feet should be allowed if walking off your property. A long leash is useless - equivalent to no leash at all. You can’t control any dog with a retractable leash, I know I’ve had them and the dogs too. Then a walker can keep 6ft from the dog and be pretty safe. Other than that be prepared for any dog to get startled and attack.

(Sorry for not going along with the analogy. But all people who can should wear masks N95 ones, if we had done it in March there would have been no lockdowns, the economy would be booming, we would still have president Trump. We would be free in our country at least everywhere, maybe not international travel. One month folks, it’s all it takes, and that would mean wearing a mask everywhere and by everyone pretty well. But the “ma rights” people prefer the ravages of Covid.)

So you are saying that EVERYONE should have been given the N95 masks by the gov. immediately? And you are also suggesting that this mask wearing would have saved us from the virus? I don't think so. Most folks that were infected, were infected at home. I don't know anyone that wears a mask at home, but I could be mistaken. In a country as large as ours, there would never be total compliance with a mask mandate without a revolution occurring.

[Byte1]

Yet another mask thread :ohdear:

Reading and participating is not mandated.....:icon_wink:

[Byte1]

Not if I were king.

Right now the demand far exceeds the supply. Right now we need to protect those who want the vaccine but cannot get it.

Once everyone who desires a vaccination can get a vaccination then I feel that changes. Society can't be held hostage by the few anti-vax or covid-deniers who refuse to join the mainstream. Society should protect those who would like to be vaccinated but cannot but society doesn't have to protect those who could be vaccinated but choose not to. They made a choice and they will live (or not) with that choice.

Thank you. You just made the case against everyone being responsible for others. According to YOUR analogy, it is not up to anyone to protect another, it's up to everyone being responsible for themselves. Thank you. I knew that is the conversation has some elaborating, a compromise or revelation is revealed.
In a free country, compliance should be voluntary, NOT mandated. Like I have said before, charity is willfully and voluntary but mandated compliance becomes a gov. tax.

[jbrown132]

Hypothetical.:doggie:
A friend of mine was walking through his neighborhood in the Villages and as he walked past a neighbor walking his dog, the dog lunged at him and bit him. Not severely, but the shock that it could have been serious, scared him as well as the dog's owner.

Question:
Should ALL dogs be muzzled when they are not on their own property?
What distance should one pass a leashed dog in the street for their safety?
If the dog has been vaccinated for rabies, can he still carry the virus?

Even though only one of many dogs in the Villages is guilty of biting a passing stranger, should ALL dogs then be muzzled to protect other folks, just in case? Or should you maintain a "social distance" from walking dogs to protect yourself? If the dog is on a leash that is only six foot long and under control of the owner, is it the owner's responsibility to put a muzzle on the dog IF you decide to approach or is it your responsibility to maintain a safe distance to protect yourself? What if the owner tells you that his dog has never ever bitten or attempted to bite anyone, ever? Do you still approach that dog IF you are worried about being bitten?

So, would you muzzle all the dogs in America, if one dog that had rabies bit someone and they died? If so, even after hearing that most dogs were vaccinated?

Does this argument sound familiar?
Hint: This has nothing to do with animals.

There are a lot of humans I would rather see muzzled before dogs, especially when they leave their property. We could start with ALL the news stations. It would make the country a happier place. There could be a sign on the muzzle. Only to be removed in case of real news to report.

[GOLFER54]

My dog was a rescue and she growls and barks while I walk her on the leash if a person is walking too close to us at the time. I say to them,“ She isn’t friendly” you would think that would deter them from coming over to her with their hand stretched out in front of her face. But No, then they are surprised when they see her aggressively barking. She has never bit anyone, but if during her barking at someone and they put their hand close to her mouth, that person could get hurt. Even though I love dogs, I am bright enough not to go over to a strange dog and try to pet them, yet on many occasions this was done to my dog.

PS Neither myself or my dog wear a mask when walking. However I always wear a mask whether I am shopping and practice social distancing.

[sallyg]

Yes - if the dogs were invisible, the bites airborn, and over 450,000 people in the country had died as a result.

[Byte1]

You are right, there were not enough n95 masks available at any time and they did need to be reserved for the first line workers.

I am just dreaming... still if we had put our effort into controlling the virus...to me wearing a mask is comparable to wearing gloves or socks, no biggie. Skiers wear it for cold - something so much less significant. We would at this time have the virus under control. Not just my opinion, I got the info from medical people. But why would anyone believe them? Why would anyone believe any one? We are in a society with people who prefer fairy tales.

I am not saying that I disagree with you, BUT......... When "skiers" wear gloves and socks it is because it is cold. The evidence is there. They most likely would not wear gloves in Florida. However, we are speaking of a virus where the likely hood of anyone you meet having it, is so nil that it is easier to get hit by a car when walking on a sidewalk. And the idea of contracting the virus IF you meet someone infected is even more unlikely. And then to have any symptoms is about one in 99. Ok, so I am not being accurate, but the idea is clear. I am not saying that anyone should NOT wear a mask. I am saying that thinking that wearing a mask is going to keep you from catching COVID is probably a slight advantage over a non-wearing person. Just an opinion, but wearing gloves probably gives you just as much protection as wearing a mask and I do not see very many folks wearing gloves. When this first started, I wore gloves along with my mask wearing. Obviously, catching the virus is not easy or some of us would already have had it that are not taking the precautions that some on here are adamant about adhering to. Just saying and I am in no way advising anyone to not wear their mask for protection. I am just being realistic about the conversation and also showing some that their demand for a mask mandate is totally UN-American.
I am neither a anti-masker or an anti-vaxxer, and I do not deny the existence of the virus.

[Byte1]

People who act like rabid dogs ready to bite you head off when you ask them to wear a mask a d keep their distance should be muzzled.

So if you were taking a walk in your neighborhood and a neighbor was walking their dog at the same time, you would demand that they muzzle the dog instead of attempting to avoid the dog that is leashed? Would you consider the dog rabid based on news that a dog in the tri-county area was found to be infected?
Sorry, but the only way I would feel entitled to demand someone put a mask on is if they entered my home. Guess some folks feel entitled to make demands, right?

[Bay Kid]

Should people and dogs be muzzled? Love it when I can control what everyone else is doing. Makes me feel real important.

[dhdallas]

Cutting to the chase: yes, you need to continue wearing the mask until those around you are vaccinated and safe from what you or others may unknowingly be carrying.

(If it is desperately needed I can play along with your analogy but this is just quicker.)

The only protection that really works is a N95 facemask that has been properly fitted, discarded & replaced routinely. The homemade cloth & surgical masks offer minimal protection but can be potentially harmful. Once you wear a mask, that mask is now considered contaminated and should be discarded or disinfected with a bleach solution. If you touch the outside of the mask and touch your face, you just gave a contaminant a way inside your body. In reusing a mask you are breathing through a petri dish of bacteria and worse being fed with your warm humid exhalations.

Now that many people have been vaccinated or have natural immunity the "mask mandates for all" needs to be changed. Just those who have not been vaccinated or do not have natural immunity should wear a mask but one that works, as in a N95.

Many people will argue that natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

And from the WHO, “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease. Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

People who have been vaccinated or have natural immunity from having COVID (like I have) do not need to be masked; it would be pointless. We cannot get COVID and we cannot transmit COVID.

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

David H. Dallas RN, EMT-P (retired), ASN

[Byte1]

I choose the quick answer. Yes, everyone should wear a mask when out of his/her own home. Not only does a mask protect the wearer, it is the responsible action to protect others. Be a responsible adult, who cares about others - WEAR A MASK.

"Should" or Have to/mandated? Two different meanings, right? A person should be nice and have manners. A person is not mandated to be nice and have manners, UNLESS there is a law (mandate) stipulating such behavior.
The issue is not whether someone "should" wear a mask. The issue is whether a mask mandate is necessary.

[nob77@comcast.net]

There are no bad dogs, only bad owners!!

[karostay]

Hypothetical.:doggie:
A friend of mine was walking through his neighborhood in the Villages and as he walked past a neighbor walking his dog, the dog lunged at him and bit him. Not severely, but the shock that it could have been serious, scared him as well as the dog's owner.

Question:
Should ALL dogs be muzzled when they are not on their own property?
What distance should one pass a leashed dog in the street for their safety?
If the dog has been vaccinated for rabies, can he still carry the virus?

Even though only one of many dogs in the Villages is guilty of biting a passing stranger, should ALL dogs then be muzzled to protect other folks, just in case? Or should you maintain a "social distance" from walking dogs to protect yourself? If the dog is on a leash that is only six foot long and under control of the owner, is it the owner's responsibility to put a muzzle on the dog IF you decide to approach or is it your responsibility to maintain a safe distance to protect yourself? What if the owner tells you that his dog has never ever bitten or attempted to bite anyone, ever? Do you still approach that dog IF you are worried about being bitten?

So, would you muzzle all the dogs in America, if one dog that had rabies bit someone and they died? If so, even after hearing that most dogs were vaccinated?

Does this argument sound familiar?
Hint: This has nothing to do with animals.


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[bruce213]

Your argument while interesting (and maybe a fun twist) your thinking is faulty. Figures show there is a little over a 1% chance of death there is a little older a 20% chance of catching covid.
So it should be there us a 1% chance of the dog mauling you to death and a 20% chance of biting you causing minor to sever problems/injuries, including lung and problems and early death. 1% vs 20% may change some answers.

[dhdallas]

Reality-Hypothetical? Perhaps, you need to look up the word.

As to this case like it or not you should report the incident. A dog will not just attack with no provocation, with no warning unless it is ill or????? It is possible but not likely this is the first time for this particular dog.

Experience, my sister got a rescue dog. The dog as you report would attack unprovoked with no warning. Her vet told her she should have the dog put down and that is what she did. Not easy but if the tale is as you report that dog needs to be put down.

You really missed the point of his dog story. It is a parody about the mask mandates. It has nothing to do with dogs! The dog story applies the same argument supporting mask mandates to a satirical story of a dog that bites.

Menippean Satire
Menippean satire targets mental attitudes and viewpoints, rather than specific individuals.

Parody
A parody, also called a spoof, a send-up, a take-off, a lampoon, a play on (something), or a caricature, is a creative work designed to imitate, comment on, and/or make fun of its subject by means of satiric or ironic imitation.

[72eagleman]

Our Princess is a Certified Therapy Dog. She is trained to be friendly with people. The thought of muzzling her is repulsive. Don't throw all dogs in the same pickle barrel because of a few bad actors that don't make the time investment to properly train their dogs.

[MandoMan]

Hypothetical.:doggie:
A friend of mine was walking through his neighborhood in the Villages and as he walked past a neighbor walking his dog, the dog lunged at him and bit him. Not severely, but the shock that it could have been serious, scared him as well as the dog's owner.

Question:
Should ALL dogs be muzzled when they are not on their own property?
What distance should one pass a leashed dog in the street for their safety?
If the dog has been vaccinated for rabies, can he still carry the virus?

Even though only one of many dogs in the Villages is guilty of biting a passing stranger, should ALL dogs then be muzzled to protect other folks, just in case? Or should you maintain a "social distance" from walking dogs to protect yourself? If the dog is on a leash that is only six foot long and under control of the owner, is it the owner's responsibility to put a muzzle on the dog IF you decide to approach or is it your responsibility to maintain a safe distance to protect yourself? What if the owner tells you that his dog has never ever bitten or attempted to bite anyone, ever? Do you still approach that dog IF you are worried about being bitten?

So, would you muzzle all the dogs in America, if one dog that had rabies bit someone and they died? If so, even after hearing that most dogs were vaccinated?

Does this argument sound familiar?
Hint: This has nothing to do with animals.

Hardly any dogs in The Villages need to be muzzled. When I walk my dogs in my neighborhood, they are on a leash. When we walk in the woods near the Belle Meade Dog Park, they are not. The dogs enjoy meeting other dogs, and if people have dangerous dogs, they keep them leashed.

However, I do think owners have a moral duty to train their dogs to be obedient and controlled, so they aren’t tugging the owners’ arms out of their sockets. Dogs appreciate learning how to be part of the team. (There’s a great book about this called “Adam’s Task: Calling Animals By Name.”) Dog owners are used to asking owners of dogs they don’t know if the dog is friendly before letting their dogs meet. Even little dogs don’t necessarily welcome being petted at first. Ask first! And dogs have instinctual actions that we need to keep in mind. Some dogs can’t help herding behavior. Some dogs immediately go after any animals or people running away, or running at all. To my little dog, something rat-sized should be shaken to death. To a sight-hound, my little dog seems to be a rabbit to be caught and eaten if she runs. To some pit-bulls . . . In any case, training and being used to being around people and other animals solves a lot of problems.

[Nevermore]

Ah, but also going along with your playing along with my analogy, if everyone is vaccinated, and only have a 90% efficacy, then everyone could still be vulnerable by those that may be carrying the virus that have been vaccinated. Your hypothetical suggests that "others may unknowingly be carrying" even though they are protected.

My suggestion is that it is not one person's responsibility to protect you. It is your responsibility to protect yourself. Otherwise, you are handicapped and reliant on others for your well being. :D
My question remains, is everyone supposed to be punished/penalized for the faults of one? I know my answer, but others do not seem to see the fallacy of expecting others to be "my brother's keeper."

This is why our rates are so high. In a pandemic we need to protect the country.

[JSR22]

Our Princess is a Certified Therapy Dog. She is trained to be friendly with people. The thought of muzzling her is repulsive. Don't throw all dogs in the same pickle barrel because of a few bad actors that don't make the time investment to properly train their dogs.

It was a mask parody. Not about dogs.

[Byte1]

And I thought that the children of today have reading comprehension problems. Whew!

[Velvet]

So you are saying that EVERYONE should have been given the N95 masks by the gov. immediately? And you are also suggesting that this mask wearing would have saved us from the virus? I don't think so. Most folks that were infected, were infected at home. I don't know anyone that wears a mask at home, but I could be mistaken. In a country as large as ours, there would never be total compliance with a mask mandate without a revolution occurring.

No problem wearing mask at home. When I flew home I quarantined for 14 days and wore a mask at all times whenever I was on the same floor with hubby. He is vulnerable and it gave me great peace of mind that I always wore my N95 mask around him. I slept on a different floor for 2 weeks. It was like wearing socks, no biggie, but the peace of mind was absolutely worth it. Why one wouldn’t value their family enough is beyond me.

(My reward for wearing a mask at home, was that hubby is alive months later, and around to watch the SuperBowl with me, I won the wager because Tom Brady was his usual self, and hubby will learn to make crème brûlée on Valentines Day for me. :) )

And yes, medical people have said it would only take one month to be in control of this virus if everyone (who could) would wear a protective mask - not a bandana etc. since several countries said something similar I tend to believe it. Will it happen in the US? Don’t think so, people prefer fairy tales instead. Thus the consequences.

[chrissy2231]

Dogs S/B wearing Covid masks!

[rwfisher1969]

Yet another mask thread :ohdear: never

[yanksansky]

Yep. Overpopulation and now the thousands marching to our borders. So much for shutting down the virus. !!!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

There's someone who brings their beagle to the Paradise Dog Park every day, and it runs back and forth, back and forth, SCREAMING as though it's in horrible agonizing pain. This goes on non-stop for at least 30 minutes (I finally left, and it was still going on). The dog park is RIGHT next to the Archery Range.

Imagine the distraction of this screaming to people trying to aim at targets with VERY sharp, VERY deadly arrows...

Here's an example of what this beagle does - nonstop - next to the Archery Range - for at least 1/2 hour, while its owner just hangs out and apparently watches with great amusement.

screaming beagle - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FahotmCnpr4)

[Topspinmo]

All unvaccinated dog owners should be on a short leash, wearing a muzzle.
Any dog walking an unleashed or unmuzzled owner should be impounded.
All vaccinated people should be unmuzzled, and dancing and getting p****d up at the squares!

Agree, but if I COULD GET the damn shot I would. When you have thousands trying to get hundred slots or so it going to take couple years. :Screen_of_Death:

[Topspinmo]

So you are saying that EVERYONE should have been given the N95 masks by the gov. immediately? And you are also suggesting that this mask wearing would have saved us from the virus? I don't think so. Most folks that were infected, were infected at home. I don't know anyone that wears a mask at home, but I could be mistaken. In a country as large as ours, there would never be total compliance with a mask mandate without a revolution occurring.

How do you get infected at home and why would wear mask at home. Now, I could understand catching it out and about and bring it home. Somebody had to drag it in to catch it at home which means somebody was already infected.

[Topspinmo]

There's someone who brings their beagle to the Paradise Dog Park every day, and it runs back and forth, back and forth, SCREAMING as though it's in horrible agonizing pain. This goes on non-stop for at least 30 minutes (I finally left, and it was still going on). The dog park is RIGHT next to the Archery Range.

Imagine the distraction of this screaming to people trying to aim at targets with VERY sharp, VERY deadly arrows...

Here's an example of what this beagle does - nonstop - next to the Archery Range - for at least 1/2 hour, while its owner just hangs out and apparently watches with great amusement.

screaming beagle - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FahotmCnpr4)

Concentration, to be good at anything you have to block out and concentrate.