Is it me or 2 lane roundabouts just don't work?

[boxcarwilly]

IMOP....too compact to be safe..drivers are more confused than a goat on astroturf.:MOJE_whot: I treat all roundabouts like a single lane rotary and use a turn signal when exiting.

[DeanFL]

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My #1 rule re roundabouts.

Keep eyes and head on a swivel, NEVER go side-by-side with another vehicle, distrust all signals etc, NEVER assume that the vehicle will stop before entering the roundabout as you're approaching them, be ready to brake at any time, and ALWAYS assume the worst from other drivers.
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[John_W]

IMOP....too compact to be safe..drivers are more confused than a goat on astroturf.:MOJE_whot: I treat all roundabouts like a single lane rotary and use a turn signal when exiting.

If you did a search, there are probably 10 threads in past that are at least 80 posts each, it's the most discussed topic in history.

Here is a quick lesson, if you follow this you will be more than OK. Just think of a 2 lane roundabout as a 2 lane 4 way stop. If you were making a left turn you would be in the left land (inside lane 3rd exit) and if you were making a right turn you would in the right (outside lane 1st exit). If you were going straight you would be in either lane (2nd exit is straight). There is even a sign before every roundabout showing where each lane can go.

https://www.drivesmartbc.ca/sites/default/files/images/TurningPaths.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8wIoR7fpPJM/hqdefault.jpg

In this diagram, the yellow car at the bottom in the left lane, where can he proceed to? He can go straight using either lane, or go to the third exit using the left lane.

[golfing eagles]

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My #1 rule re roundabouts.

Keep eyes and head on a swivel, NEVER go side-by-side with another vehicle, distrust all signals etc, NEVER assume that the vehicle will stop before entering the roundabout as you're approaching them, be ready to brake at any time, and ALWAYS assume the worst from other drivers.
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All true, and add
***watch out for drivers going the wrong way in the RB
***watch out for cyclists in a pack of 20 blowing through the yield sign as if they were one entity
***beware non-street legal golf carts cutting across lanes in front of you
***beware cars going 270 around the RB in the outer lane, and cars exiting at 90 from the inner lane
***Be especially concerned if a car with out of state handicapped plates is approaching the entrance to the RB
***and my favorite, beware the driver who just stops dead in the middle of a RB, usually just far enough ahead that you can't see her around the circle

Enjoy your drive today!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

They work perfectly. It's the drivers that either don't take the time to learn how to navigate them or refuse to follow the procedures that just don't work.

[billethkid]

Just assume the other drivers will not stop, cut into your lane, cut you off or hit you and you will be fine!!
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[golfing eagles]

If you did a search, there are probably 10 threads in past that are at least 80 posts each, it's the most discussed topic in history.

Here is a quick lesson, if you follow this you will be more than OK. Just think of a 2 lane roundabout as a 2 lane 4 way stop. If you were making a left turn you would be in the left land (inside lane 3rd exit) and if you were making a right turn you would in the right (outside lane 1st exit). If you were going straight you would be in either lane (2nd exit is straight). There is even a sign before every roundabout showing where each lane can go.

https://www.drivesmartbc.ca/sites/default/files/images/TurningPaths.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8wIoR7fpPJM/hqdefault.jpg

In this diagram, the yellow car at the bottom in the left lane, where can he proceed to? He can go straight using either lane, or go to the third exit using the left lane.

Yes, but the blue car at the top SHOULD NOT EVEN CONSIDER ENTERING THE RB until traffic in both lanes has cleared. He may intend to turn into the first exit in the outer lane, but the car in the RB already may have come from the first entrance to his left and intend to (legally) go straight to the same exit

[Byte1]

IMOP....too compact to be safe..drivers are more confused than a goat on astroturf.:MOJE_whot: I treat all roundabouts like a single lane rotary and use a turn signal when exiting.

I've been saying all along that roundabouts in The Villages, with folks that have never seen them before and are inherently bad drivers anyway, should be single lane. You can explain the proper procedure of maneuvering through them all you want, but the simple point is that there is not a given hour of the day, of the year, decade, etc. that you won't find that 90% of the operators handle a roundabout incorrectly.

Single lane is the only solution. Instruction fails miserably.

[Jayhawk]

If you did a search, there are probably 10 threads in past that are at least 80 posts each, it's the most discussed topic in history.



I'll call your Traffic Circle threads and raise you 50 Dog Poops.

[vintageogauge]

I'm fine with them, for the thousands upon thousands of cars that use them daily there are very few accidents and I could not imagine the backups we would have if those roundabouts were all stop light maintained intersections.

[Topspinmo]

IMOP....too compact to be safe..drivers are more confused than a goat on astroturf.:MOJE_whot: I treat all roundabouts like a single lane rotary and use a turn signal when exiting.


No, it drivers that pull out when they are supposed to yield to ALL traffic in roundabout. It’s the drivers that stay in the right lane and go to 3rd exit. It’s the drivers that stop when entering roundabout when the only have to yield. So, it’s the drivers!

[VApeople]

I think our roundabouts work very well. I am glad we have them instead of traffic lights.

In my case, I go thru them slowly with my hand always on the horn, which I use frequently.

[Polar Bear]

I've been saying all along that roundabouts in The Villages, with folks that have never seen them before and are inherently bad drivers anyway, should be single lane. You can explain the proper procedure of maneuvering through them all you want, but the simple point is that there is not a given hour of the day, of the year, decade, etc. that you won't find that 90% of the operators handle a roundabout incorrectly.

Single lane is the only solution. Instruction fails miserably.
How in the world do you come up with such conclusions?!? :ohdear:

Of course there's a learning curve for the new folks. But I've been here full time for eight years now, and with all those "inherently bad drivers" and "90% of the operators" handling the roundabouts incorrectly, I see a very small percentage driving the roundabouts improperly. And most of those are obviously being cautious, knowing they haven't yet mastered roundabout driving.

And anybody advocating for single lane roundabouts has no idea of the congestion that would cause. It would in effect turn Morse and Buena Vista into single lane roadways. The capacity of a roadway is limited by the most restrictive section of that road.

Are roundabouts in TV perfect? No. Are they largely safe and efficient? Yes.

[Arctic Fox]

NEVER go side-by-side with another vehicle

This is the key, along with indicating your intention to exit the roundabout.

Give others room to move - if you are in the outside lane and someone is in the inside lane and wants to turn right, it is up to you to let them do so.

Having both lanes of Buena Vista merge into one before every roundabout would result in far more accidents.

[dewilson58]

I'll call your Traffic Circle threads and raise you 50 Dog Poops.
I'll see you and raise you a Reverse Mortgage.

[Two Bills]

See your Reverse Mortgage, and raise 150 covid masks.

[xkeowner]

I have been navigating round-a-bouts for close to 50 years and find them extremely efficient when properly driven. Unfortunately, many, probability a majority, of people driving in The Villages don't drive them properly.

The design of the round-a-bout on Hilton Head Island shown below, while not optimum for traffic flow, would work very well in this area.

[Regor]

I think Roundabouts are fun! Where else can you make a right turn from the left lane, not look or use a turn signal? Try it on the interstate, people get ****ed and blow their horns! The nerve!

[Bilyclub]

Okay, I'll change it up a little. Since John put up the diagram of the regular intersection left turn I'll throw this out. Why do people here when in the left turn lane stay behind the solid white line when the light is green or arrow flashing yellow? I already checked with a retired Florida LEO who said there is no law against entering into the intersection while waiting to make a left turn. The worst are the drivers who stay behind the solid white line and make their turn after the light turns red which is insane.

[dewilson58]

Why do people here when in the left turn lane stay behind the solid white line when the light is green or arrow flashing yellow?
Why?? It's called defensive driving. Seniors have lived a long time and probably have seen people get hit out in the intersection.

[Bill14564]

Okay, I'll change it up a little. Since John put up the diagram of the regular intersection left turn I'll throw this out. Why do people here when in the left turn lane stay behind the solid white line when the light is green or arrow flashing yellow? I already checked with a retired Florida LEO who said there is no law against entering into the intersection while waiting to make a left turn. The worst are the drivers who stay behind the solid white line and make their turn after the light turns red which is insane.

I'm surprised the LEO officer advised you to enter an intersection when it wasn't clear to proceed.

Crossing the solid white line when there are oncoming cars means you are stuck sitting in the middle of the intersection. If you are fortunate and the oncoming traffic ends before the light changes, great. However, if there are enough oncoming cars then the light could change and you would be making an illegal left on red. Worse, the oncoming traffic may run their red light (seen this many times) and hit you while you are trying to make your left on red.

The only safe way to proceed is to wait behind the white line until the intersection is actually clear.

[Papa_lecki]

I'll call your Traffic Circle threads and raise you 50 Dog Poops.
What if you’re discussing Reverse Mortgages, wearing a mask, in a round about and your dog poops?

[Bilyclub]

I'm surprised the LEO officer advised you to enter an intersection when it wasn't clear to proceed.

Crossing the solid white line when there are oncoming cars means you are stuck sitting in the middle of the intersection. If you are fortunate and the oncoming traffic ends before the light changes, great. However, if there are enough oncoming cars then the light could change and you would be making an illegal left on red. Worse, the oncoming traffic may run their red light (seen this many times) and hit you while you are trying to make your left on red.

The only safe way to proceed is to wait behind the white line until the intersection is actually clear.


In a lot of states the law is if your are in the intersection and light turns red and the oncoming traffic has stopped you may proceed to make your left turn. The vehicles that have the green must yield until your turn is complete. Since you are already in the intersection it's not disobeying a red light.

[Rosebud2020]

There are a few problems with these circles (which is what I choose to call them):

1. The circles are too small; each exit/entrance street is too close to the next one.
2. If you've ever noticed, the signage before them (on Buena Vista and/or Morse) do NOT all give the same advice for navigating them!
3. Too many of those who drive them are too old (mentally) and should not even be driving.

If Buena Vista and Morse went straight through, and there were stop signs coming from all the access streets, it would be safer and more efficient. In addition, it would take a lot less time to get from one place to another.

[Topspinmo]

I think Roundabouts are fun! Where else can you make a right turn from the left lane, not look or use a turn signal? Try it on the interstate, people get ****ed and blow their horns! The nerve!

That would be the considered straight lane and there should be nobody beside you if the yielded to ALL traffic in the roundabout before the entered. if someone in right lane entered the roundabout the same time you did then they are-turning and have turn, if they illegally want to go to 3rd exit they better yield cause the are crossing traffic just like crossing at stop sign.

[Topspinmo]

There are a few problems with these circles (which is what I choose to call them):

1. The circles are too small; each exit/entrance street is too close to the next one.
2. If you've ever noticed, the signage before them (on Buena Vista and/or Morse) do NOT all give the same advice for navigating them!
3. Too many of those who drive them are too old (mentally) and should not even be driving.

If Buena Vista and Morse went straight through, and there were stop signs coming from all the access streets, it would be safer and more efficient. In addition, it would take a lot less time to get from one place to another.

I agree they are too round and don’t have to be so sharp right turn entering or exiting. But, that would required more space and that means few less houses crammed in. Don’t agree with stops signs on BV or Morse where roundabouts are. Takes too long to get through and intersection, no at 466 and 466A it makes since to have traffic lights at those intersections IMO.

[Polar Bear]

I'm surprised the LEO officer advised you to enter an intersection when it wasn't clear to proceed.

Crossing the solid white line when there are oncoming cars means you are stuck sitting in the middle of the intersection. If you are fortunate and the oncoming traffic ends before the light changes, great. However, if there are enough oncoming cars then the light could change and you would be making an illegal left on red. Worse, the oncoming traffic may run their red light (seen this many times) and hit you while you are trying to make your left on red.

The only safe way to proceed is to wait behind the white line until the intersection is actually clear.
The law enforcement officer was conveying the correct way to make left turns at a signalized intersection.

When the light is a green ball or flashing yellow arrow, you absolutely are supposed to proceed beyond the stop bar (white line) into the intersection, keeping sight of the signal. There is no danger. The opposing traffic have red lights. The oncoming traffic proceeds until the light turns yellow. At that time, you prepare to make your left turn, of course after carefully watching that the approaching traffic is stopping. There is even a clearance phase, where all signals are red for a second or two after a change. Part of its purpose is specifically to allow left-turners to clear the intersection.

And this is very important...when you do as I described above, you are NOT making an illegal left turn on red. You are simply clearing the intersection. You entered into the intersection on green, which is perfectly legal. Completing your turn after the signal change is not only legal, it is the proper way to handle your turn.

Only because of the topic of this thread, I will state (as I've done in other such threads) that I have a Masters Degree in Transportation Engineering from the University of Florida and spent my entire career as a Professional Engineer in the State of Florida in the field of traffic engineering.

Please do your own homework and look up the proper way to handle left turns at a signalized intersection to verify what I've conveyed above.

Stay safe out there...both inside and outside your vehicle. :)

[Bilyclub]

I've done the long course at what was then the Northwestern Traffic Institute so I thought I was missing a new law here. Let alone 30 years experience albeit not in Florida.

[Bilyclub]

Why?? It's called defensive driving. Seniors have lived a long time and probably have seen people get hit out in the intersection.

You call it defensive, I call it obstructive. Especially when they refuse to turn when clear and wait for the next green light.:pray:

[Regor]

That would be the considered straight lane and there should be nobody beside you if the yielded to ALL traffic in the roundabout before the entered. if someone in right lane entered the roundabout the same time you did then they are-turning and have turn, if they illegally want to go to 3rd exit they better yield cause the are crossing traffic just like crossing at stop sign.

You're thinking like it's okay to take a right from the left lane is what causes accidents. The inner lane is not the "straight" lane. That would ONLY work if the right lane entering the roundabout HAD to take the first exit. They don't have to take the 1st exit.

[kappy]

As long as you maintain a speed of 20 MPH or less, you should have the ability to avoid those drivers who do not know how to negotiate a roundabout.

[Polar Bear]

You call it defensive, I call it obstructive. Especially when they refuse to turn when clear and wait for the next green light.:pray:
Welllllll...if they’re still behind the stop bar, then it would be illegal to start your turn after the light turns red. That’s why you proceed into the intersection...across the stop bar... while the light is green. Then when the light turns red you’re simply clearing the intersection after the approaching traffic stops and before the cross traffic starts up... there is a 1-2 second all red clearance phase just for this purpose.

[JohnN]

The roundabouts are fine. One lane roundabouts would cause too much traffic backup.
The problem is the crazy old people driving, you've got to watch every car around when you're in a roundabout.

[Garywt]

I have driven on rotaries my entire life but if you don’t drive them much it is tough. I stay in the right lane to go right or straight through and the left lane if I am going 3/4 around. The only time I change that is if there is a long line on the right lane and no one in the left as long as I don’t need to turn right.

[MSchad]

If you did a search, there are probably 10 threads in past that are at least 80 posts each, it's the most discussed topic in history.

Here is a quick lesson, if you follow this you will be more than OK. Just think of a 2 lane roundabout as a 2 lane 4 way stop. If you were making a left turn you would be in the left land (inside lane 3rd exit) and if you were making a right turn you would in the right (outside lane 1st exit). If you were going straight you would be in either lane (2nd exit is straight). There is even a sign before every roundabout showing where each lane can go.

https://www.drivesmartbc.ca/sites/default/files/images/TurningPaths.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8wIoR7fpPJM/hqdefault.jpg

In this diagram, the yellow car at the bottom in the left lane, where can he proceed to? He can go straight using either lane, or go to the third exit using the left lane.

Wrong! It is in the left lane, so it can’t go straight using either lane. It must stay in the left lane through the roundabout and exit onto the left lane at exit.

[John_W]

Wrong! It is in the left lane, so it can’t go straight using either lane. It must stay in the left lane through the roundabout and exit onto the left lane at exit.

The left lane besides being able to go to the third exit, can also go straight, the second exit. I didn't mean they can zig-zag between lanes, I meant they could go straight in the left lane and a car in the right lane can also go straight (either lane). However, in the left lane you can also go to the third exit, but the car in the right lane has to exit at the 2nd exit, if they continued to the third exit they could be T-boned by the car in the left lane going to the second exit.

[JoMar]

The law enforcement officer was conveying the correct way to make left turns at a signalized intersection.

When the light is a green ball or flashing yellow arrow, you absolutely are supposed to proceed beyond the stop bar (white line) into the intersection, keeping sight of the signal. There is no danger. The opposing traffic have red lights. The oncoming traffic proceeds until the light turns yellow. At that time, you prepare to make your left turn, of course after carefully watching that the approaching traffic is stopping. There is even a clearance phase, where all signals are red for a second or two after a change. Part of its purpose is specifically to allow left-turners to clear the intersection.

And this is very important...when you do as I described above, you are NOT making an illegal left turn on red. You are simply clearing the intersection. You entered into the intersection on green, which is perfectly legal. Completing your turn after the signal change is not only legal, it is the proper way to handle your turn.

Only because of the topic of this thread, I will state (as I've done in other such threads) that I have a Masters Degree in Transportation Engineering from the University of Florida and spent my entire career as a Professional Engineer in the State of Florida in the field of traffic engineering.

Please do your own homework and look up the proper way to handle left turns at a signalized intersection to verify what I've conveyed above.

Stay safe out there...both inside and outside your vehicle. :)

Different in NJ and PA. You don't cross the white line until you cam continue to complete the turn. If you are passed the white line when the light turns red you have gone through the red light. Many of us have the tickets and the lost appeals on that one. I have to assume, since folks come from all over they revert to behaviour from where they came.

[Art cov]

This thread reminds me of the city council meetings open to the public, or the hoa meetings. Everything brought up in the meetings nearly caused a riot. They were very entertaining! Sometimes dangerous!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

After getting over the terror that is "first-time experiencing two-lane roundabouts occupied by a lot of people who might need cataract surgery and younger reflexes" - I realized the fully two-lane roundabouts are entirely manageable as long as you pay attention. And as long as YOUR reflexes are better than the other guy's.

What IS a big problem - is the two-lane roundabouts that exit into one lane exits. Imagine the circle - north, south, east, west...

I'm coming FROM the south. Heading West. If it were a normal intersection it'd be a left turn. But it's not a normal intersection. It's a circle. By the time I get to that exit, it is now a right turn.

But I'm coming from the INSIDE lane, because that's the rule. If you are entering a 2-lane roundabout and you're wanting to go to the "third" exit, you have to enter into the inside lane.

And you now have to make a right turn, from the inside lane, into a single lane where people who are coming from the east, and from the north, also exit.

If you're coming from the south, you won't always even SEE someone heading toward that western exit, if they are coming from the north. Because you are entering while looking to your left. And to your left - is the western exit. You're not looking north. You're looking west. Entering from the south, going in a counter-clockwise position.

So that's where I think roundabouts are horribly flawed. Entering a two-lane roundabout with the intention of exiting into a one-lane exit 3/4 of the way around the circle.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Yes, but the blue car at the top SHOULD NOT EVEN CONSIDER ENTERING THE RB until traffic in both lanes has cleared. He may intend to turn into the first exit in the outer lane, but the car in the RB already may have come from the first entrance to his left and intend to (legally) go straight to the same exit

This is ESPECIALLY true if that "left" exit only has one lane. Which is exactly what happens at the Morse circle's south exit near St. Timothy's Church.

[tsmall22204]

If directions are followed, they work well.

[mike1946]

I'm a Brit !! A word of advice to American drivers ... don't even think of hiring a car and driving in the UK !! We have 1000's of roundabouts of all shapes and sizes some with multi lanes - I think the one around Marble Arch is 5 lanes and there are a few more like that ....don't get me started on the magic roundabouts ...one in Swindon and one in Milton Keynes where you join the big one via a little one ...so you can go the wrong way round if you want to. Google it !! They are great fun. All this while driving on the 'correct' side of the road ...so remember to go clockwise around a roundabout not anti-clockwise. Seriously guys ...you will die !!

[Leadbone1]

IMOP....too compact to be safe..drivers are more confused than a goat on astroturf.:MOJE_whot: I treat all roundabouts like a single lane rotary and use a turn signal when exiting.

You know, it’s not rocket science but you would think it is. The lanes are clearly marked in the roundabouts on how they are to be used, but unfortunately there are way too many people that don’t get it. On two occasions I have had to lock my breaks up right in the middle of the circle because someone in the outside lane cut across right in front of me to continue around the circle as I was on the inside lane and going straight. And yes it’s a good idea to put a blinker on when you’re going to exit. Common sense and caution are definitely called for.

[golfing eagles]

You're thinking like it's okay to take a right from the left lane is what causes accidents. The inner lane is not the "straight" lane. That would ONLY work if the right lane entering the roundabout HAD to take the first exit. They don't have to take the 1st exit.

Wrong! WRONG!! VERY VERY WRONG!!!

You can, and in some cases should, use the left/inner lane to go straight through a RB. It is posts like this one that leads to the belief that it's OK to enter a RB if the only traffic coming around is in the inner lane. WRONG! That's what leads to accidents. ALL traffic must pass before you can enter a RB.

[Hiltongrizz11]

Yes, but the blue car at the top SHOULD NOT EVEN CONSIDER ENTERING THE RB until traffic in both lanes has cleared. He may intend to turn into the first exit in the outer lane, but the car in the RB already may have come from the first entrance to his left and intend to (legally) go straight to the same exit

WRONG! Nobody should stop

[Skunky1]

These roundabouts remind me of European vacation.

[golfing eagles]

Yes, but the blue car at the top SHOULD NOT EVEN CONSIDER ENTERING THE RB until traffic in both lanes has cleared. He may intend to turn into the first exit in the outer lane, but the car in the RB already may have come from the first entrance to his left and intend to (legally) go straight to the same exit

WRONG! Nobody should stop

WHAT!!!!. Drive much???????
I feel sorry for anyone who never stops entering a RB when an 18 wheeler is coming around. Of course you HAVE to stop when traffic is coming. Another example of people not understanding a VERY simple concept of navigating the RBs

Have you noticed that triangular YIELD sign at the entrance to all the RBs???? It is NOT a suggestion and it is NOT there for decoration. I just hope I corrected the misconception posted before someone gets killed.

[J1ceasar]

You hit the nail on the head, these roundabouts are way too small to work correctly and the speed of the cars are about 20 miles per hour too fast. I come from Jersey and the random pads are at least 100 or 200 ft across larger. Also it is ridiculous to say stay on the inside or staying on the outside Lane depending on where you get off the only safe way to drive them is to stay on the outside Lane make sure no one is next to you or trying to come in when you're going around. I really wish they would have some lights

[banjobob]

Best answer yet, and never be side by side with another car .

[Joerogers723]

By making up your own rules, you will certainly create a future accident with someone that does follow the standard rules.

[J1ceasar]

This is why there should be no roundabouts and we should just have traffic lights. Everybody is an idiot when they're driving and I don't know anyone over the age of 50 that can change lanes three times in the space of 100 ft safely

[golfing eagles]

You hit the nail on the head, these roundabouts are way too small to work correctly and the speed of the cars are about 20 miles per hour too fast. I come from Jersey and the random pads are at least 100 or 200 ft across larger. Also it is ridiculous to say stay on the inside or staying on the outside Lane depending on where you get off the only safe way to drive them is to stay on the outside Lane make sure no one is next to you or trying to come in when you're going around. I really wish they would have some lights

So, are you advocating staying in the outside lane to go to the third (270 degree) exit? Sounds like it. Please post a schedule of when and where you will be navigating the RBs so the other 129,999 of can avoid the area.

[banjobob]

I think that if the roundabouts were traffic lights in season the villages would become a giant parking lot. Check traffic backups at Morse and 466 ,traffic flow around El Camino Real roundabout and imagine what it would be with traffic light and all the turn signal wait times. Thank God we have roundabouts.

[golfing eagles]

This is why there should be no roundabouts and we should just have traffic lights. Everybody is an idiot when they're driving and I don't know anyone over the age of 50 that can change lanes three times in the space of 100 ft safely

Still don't get it? There is NO NEED to change lanes in a RB (if you know what the rules are and not making up your own). As far as EVERYBODY being an idiot, I'm not, but I can name at least one driver who is........

[golfing eagles]

I think that if the roundabouts were traffic lights in season the villages would become a giant parking lot. Check traffic backups at Morse and 466 ,traffic flow around El Camino Real roundabout and imagine what it would be with traffic light and all the turn signal wait times. Thank God we have roundabouts.

It would be a nightmare.

I hate government regulation, but based on the posts in this thread, I would be willing to advocate a special written and road test just for navigating RBs in TV, with a license endorsement. You fail, you use your golf cart inside the bubble, and if leaving the bubble have a friend drive your car to the city limit and meet him there.

People who like Draconian solutions would LOVE this one:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Girlcopper]

All true, and add
***watch out for drivers going the wrong way in the RB
***watch out for cyclists in a pack of 20 blowing through the yield sign as if they were one entity
***beware non-street legal golf carts cutting across lanes in front of you
***beware cars going 270 around the RB in the outer lane, and cars exiting at 90 from the inner lane
***Be especially concerned if a car with out of state handicapped plates is approaching the entrance to the RB
***and my favorite, beware the driver who just stops dead in the middle of a RB, usually just far enough ahead that you can't see her around the circle

Enjoy your drive today!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

A very accurate post!!

[noslices1]

IMOP....too compact to be safe..drivers are more confused than a goat on astroturf.:MOJE_whot: I treat all roundabouts like a single lane rotary and use a turn signal when exiting.

You can treat them like a single lane rotary if you still follow the rules and only turn right or go straight from the right hand lane, and only go straight or turn left or make a U-turn from the left-hand lane. Other than that, you are doing it wrong.

[MandoMan]

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My #1 rule re roundabouts.

Keep eyes and head on a swivel, NEVER go side-by-side with another vehicle, distrust all signals etc, NEVER assume that the vehicle will stop before entering the roundabout as you're approaching them, be ready to brake at any time, and ALWAYS assume the worst from other drivers.
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Correct. The two land roundabouts work great for everyone who pays attention and stays in the lane without clipping corners. They save so much time! But they require constant alertness. I usually can merge at 20 mph and rarely need to stop, but my reaction speed is fast. Plenty of people here don’t react that quickly. Yesterday I got behind someone who actually stopped at all roundabouts when there was NO oncoming traffic. I always need to be alert for people like that. Don’t ever change lanes IN a roundabout. Figure out which lane you need before you enter the roundabout and stay in it. I think the roundabouts in The Villages are marvels of clarity and good design. “Clarity and good design” are not always attributes of the minds of drivers, unfortunately.

[Surf Daddy]

I can make it simpler. "Just don't get hit"

[Girlcopper]

This is the key, along with indicating your intention to exit the roundabout.

Give others room to move - if you are in the outside lane and someone is in the inside lane and wants to turn right, it is up to you to let them do so.

Having both lanes of Buena Vista merge into one before every roundabout would result in far more accidents.

Morse Blvd roundabout just east of 441 is survival of the fittest. Cars just go lane to lane looking like they dont know where they want to turn or else they dont know how to maintain a lane. Ive had them cut in front of me almost taking my bumper off, had them stop for no apparent reason causing me to almost bond with them, honk at me when Im in my lane, bikers just come zipping by like they own the road, golf cart drivers just stare straight ahead and go. I guess if they act like they dont see you it gives them right of way. Roundabouts arent difficult. Many times its just inconsideration

[Bridget Staunton]

Thank you SIR, a lady cut my hubby & I off coming into Hillsborough she was rude & thought she didn’t do anything wrong. I am familiar because we have lots of roundabouts in Ireland. Thank you good neighbor

[Skunky1]

The signs entering a roundabout are misleading

[Skunky1]

And contradictory

[xcaligirl]

IMOP....too compact to be safe..drivers are more confused than a goat on astroturf.:MOJE_whot: I treat all roundabouts like a single lane rotary and use a turn signal when exiting.
I do the same. I'll never understand the inside lane able to turn right!! I will always think they are set up for more crashes.

[Two Bills]

You hit the nail on the head, these roundabouts are way too small to work correctly and the speed of the cars are about 20 miles per hour too fast. I come from Jersey and the random pads are at least 100 or 200 ft across larger. Also it is ridiculous to say stay on the inside or staying on the outside Lane depending on where you get off the only safe way to drive them is to stay on the outside Lane make sure no one is next to you or trying to come in when you're going around. I really wish they would have some lights

Size in the case of roundabout does not matter.
All a roundabout does is regulate the flow of traffic at a junction.
So simple!

[Doug Thomas]

I can make it simpler. "Just don't get hit"

That’s my motorcycle mantra, “Just don’t get hit”!
Everything else will be fine!

[CFrance]

IMOP....too compact to be safe..drivers are more confused than a goat on astroturf.:MOJE_whot: I treat all roundabouts like a single lane rotary and use a turn signal when exiting.
If you do that, you are part of the problem. The inside lane is to be used to go 3/4 of the way around from where you entered. Yield to both lanes when entering and never enter beside another car. Check behind/beside you when exiting for people who are treating the roundabout as a single lane.


Here we go again.

[rlcooper70]

If you want safety in the rotaries ... avoid being directly next to and parallel to another car. Watch the wheels of adjacent vehicles - the front wheel turns before the body of the car.

[NotGolfer]

I'll call your Traffic Circle threads and raise you 50 Dog Poops.

Add to that covid and vaxx threads as well....ALL of these have been "talked" to death!!

[wbwolf]

IMOP....too compact to be safe..drivers are more confused than a goat on astroturf.:MOJE_whot: I treat all roundabouts like a single lane rotary and use a turn signal when exiting.

I am with you 100%, do not understand why there are 2 lanes to exit??? I was trained to exit only from the right lane. 😜

[CFrance]

I'll see you and raise you a Reverse Mortgage.
Reverse Mortgage has a long way to go to catch up to Dog Poop. It's the new kid on the block. :blahblahblah:

[Bill1701]

Having only one lane would work fine on the less used ones, but the traffic on Morse and Buena Vista needs two lanes. One lane would stop the people who try to drive as straight as possible. They enter in the outside lane, but cut to the inside one, and then back to the outside lane to exit.

[toeser]

If you did a search, there are probably 10 threads in past that are at least 80 posts each, it's the most discussed topic in history.

Here is a quick lesson, if you follow this you will be more than OK. Just think of a 2 lane roundabout as a 2 lane 4 way stop. If you were making a left turn you would be in the left land (inside lane 3rd exit) and if you were making a right turn you would in the right (outside lane 1st exit). If you were going straight you would be in either lane (2nd exit is straight). There is even a sign before every roundabout showing where each lane can go.

https://www.drivesmartbc.ca/sites/default/files/images/TurningPaths.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8wIoR7fpPJM/hqdefault.jpg

In this diagram, the yellow car at the bottom in the left lane, where can he proceed to? He can go straight using either lane, or go to the third exit using the left lane.


It's not always that simple. Let's say you are entering the Villages on Morse off from #441. When you proceed to the gates after going around the roundabout, those who use the resident gate must be in the right lane and those wishing to use the guest gate must exit from the left lane and pray no one hits the right side of their car.

[chrissy2231]

I hold back and let other car go first or I speed and go first. It works.

[Aacosner]

Here's a better idea . Let's get some of these installed here -- they're called Magic Roundabouts in England (hopefully my first try at uploading a picture works). This is basically five roundabouts organized in a circle. Watching from the side, the inner ring rotates in the opposite direction of the individual roundabouts or the outer ring. Very efficient, though not for beginner drivers.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I do the same. I'll never understand the inside lane able to turn right!! I will always think they are set up for more crashes.

The only way you CAN turn - is right. All exits are to your right, once you approach them. Since you're not allowed to turn into the outer lane in the RB while travelling, the only way to exit the RB, once you get to your exit, is to take a right from the inside lane.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It's not always that simple. Let's say you are entering the Villages on Morse off from #441. When you proceed to the gates after going around the roundabout, those who use the resident gate must be in the right lane and those wishing to use the guest gate must exit from the left lane and pray no one hits the right side of their car.

Well no, actually that isn't true. What is true: visitors MUST use the left lane. Residents MAY use either lane. It still creates confusion and distraction though, if the person ahead of you who came from 3 "exits" away, is already in the inner lane, and is trying to get over to the right lane because he's not a resident.

[024engine]

Everyone that moves to the Villages should be required to take a roundabout driving course. It is explained in your welcome packet, but no one reads it. No right turns from left lanes except on through streets. (Morse and Buena Vista)

[Psacc0]

After getting over the terror that is "first-time experiencing two-lane roundabouts occupied by a lot of people who might need cataract surgery and younger reflexes" - I realized the fully two-lane roundabouts are entirely manageable as long as you pay attention. And as long as YOUR reflexes are better than the other guy's.

What IS a big problem - is the two-lane roundabouts that exit into one lane exits. Imagine the circle - north, south, east, west...

I'm coming FROM the south. Heading West. If it were a normal intersection it'd be a left turn. But it's not a normal intersection. It's a circle. By the time I get to that exit, it is now a right turn.

But I'm coming from the INSIDE lane, because that's the rule. If you are entering a 2-lane roundabout and you're wanting to go to the "third" exit, you have to enter into the inside lane.

And you now have to make a right turn, from the inside lane, into a single lane where people who are coming from the east, and from the north, also exit.

If you're coming from the south, you won't always even SEE someone heading toward that western exit, if they are coming from the north. Because you are entering while looking to your left. And to your left - is the western exit. You're not looking north. You're looking west. Entering from the south, going in a counter-clockwise position.

So that's where I think roundabouts are horribly flawed. Entering a two-lane roundabout with the intention of exiting into a one-lane exit 3/4 of the way around the circle.

One main reason this legal maneuver would be a problem is because people coming from the east and north would not yield before entering. All traffic, in the roundabout, both lanes, have the right of way. Entering vehicles must yield to all traffic, both lanes.

[DOGSAREKEEPERS]

Many good suggestions and comments on how to drive in a roundabout.

One thing many people don't do is stay in their lane when they are on a curve.(not just roundabouts)
They let their vehicle drift over the lane line causing either an accident or a frantic reaction from the car in the next lane.
Just as on regular streets many people don't make their turn from a left lane to a left lane or from a right lane to a right lane, they also don't stay in their lane on curves streets.

[dhdallas]

Old people can't even park correctly much less navigate a roundabout safely. The Villagers should have to drive "Bumper Cars" like at amusement parks (that's what TV is, isn't it?).

[dave from deland]

I've been saying all along that roundabouts in The Villages, with folks that have never seen them before and are inherently bad drivers anyway, should be single lane. You can explain the proper procedure of maneuvering through them all you want, but the simple point is that there is not a given hour of the day, of the year, decade, etc. that you won't find that 90% of the operators handle a roundabout incorrectly.

Single lane is the only solution. Instruction fails miserably.Do not pass another vehicle while in the two lane roundabout which eliminates a lot of problems.

[sloanst]

The signs posted before entering a round-about show how it should be navigated. The outside lane is limited to 2 exits. You can exit the circle at the first exit or the 2nd from the outside lane but you can never travel to the 3rd exit. The inside lane can exit at the 2nd and 3rd exits. Stay in the same (inside) lane to exit the 2nd exit. To exit the at the 3rd, change from the inside lane to the outside lane after passing the 2nd exit IF the exit is only one lane, otherwise stay in the inside lane.

If you travel more than 2 exits in the outside lane and get into an accident, be prepared to pay the ticket and all other accident costs.

[bobnyce]

Seems to me ridiculous to make a turn from the center lane. Anyone over 60 knows that is a mistake anywhere you drive to make a right turn from the left lane. Yet, here in Florida that is the suggested method. Why not just continue around the roundabout until you can merge into the right lane and then turn right? Crossing lanes to make a turn was always a no-no. I simply do not understand the concept. For example, those idiots who cut you off on the interstate to make a right onto an exit ramp! Roundabouts are very similar.

[rwfisher1969]

I'll call your Traffic Circle threads and raise you 50 Dog Poops.

Costco and Trader Joe's threads beats them all!

[Byte1]

Funny how so many say, you can't make a right turn from the left lane unless you are going straight or turning left. When going around a circle, there is ONLY right turns. If you are in the center lane (left lane) you are allowed to make a right turn anytime after the first two(2) exits. Fine, but if some one finds that they are in the right lane and discover that they need to go one more exit or even two more than the original two allotted when entering the circle, they can still turn right. You have to. You are not going to say "oh my, I need to go to the third exit, therefore I need to move out of my right lane to the center so that I can turn right at the next exit. Folks on the inside CAN turn right onto the left lane on the turn only, but anyone that has just entered the circle from the previous entrance, wishing to go to the second exit can easily Tbone them if the one on the left is not observant enough to realize that the car in the right lane is not turning with them. Confusing? Yep and that is why two lane roundabouts are bad for at least 50% of The Villagers driving here. If traffic is busy, just stay in the right lane no matter which exit. You will be safe.

[Byte1]

Costco and Trader Joe's threads beats them all!

Nope, right now it's "masks."

[petiteone]

The problem is the people who are navigating correctly in the inside lane to exit 3/4 around will often get hit by people entering the turnaround in the outside lane and will broadside them. Everyone takes the round-a-bouts too fast. I've lived here for since 2011 and still think I'm safer staying in the outside lane no mater where I'm exiting especially when there's a lot of traffic.

[Joeint]

If you did a search, there are probably 10 threads in past that are at least 80 posts each, it's the most discussed topic in history.
I'll call your Traffic Circle threads and raise you 50 Dog Poops.


I'll call your dog poop and raise you 20 executive course condition threads...

[Curtisbwp]

The roundabouts are NOT confusing it is the driver that is confused. Being from Boston there roteries every where.

[jimjamuser]

All true, and add
***watch out for drivers going the wrong way in the RB
***watch out for cyclists in a pack of 20 blowing through the yield sign as if they were one entity
***beware non-street legal golf carts cutting across lanes in front of you
***beware cars going 270 around the RB in the outer lane, and cars exiting at 90 from the inner lane
***Be especially concerned if a car with out of state handicapped plates is approaching the entrance to the RB
***and my favorite, beware the driver who just stops dead in the middle of a RB, usually just far enough ahead that you can't see her around the circle

Enjoy your drive today!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Probably was not NICE to say "HER" in that last statement, at least not politically correct, or even a "good" joke. "Her" implies that women are stupid and worse drivers than men, which insurance statistics say is NOT true. If it was intended as a JOKE that is not TOO terrible and misogynistic - but it is still a too -old joke and ceased to be funny after 1950!

[jimjamuser]

Just assume the other drivers will not stop, cut into your lane, cut you off or hit you and you will be fine!!
:duck:
Just buy a Hummer and add extra bumpers to the front, back, and both sides. No problem, then you are good to go!

[jimjamuser]

I've been saying all along that roundabouts in The Villages, with folks that have never seen them before and are inherently bad drivers anyway, should be single lane. You can explain the proper procedure of maneuvering through them all you want, but the simple point is that there is not a given hour of the day, of the year, decade, etc. that you won't find that 90% of the operators handle a roundabout incorrectly.

Single lane is the only solution. Instruction fails miserably.
I agree with that - and I rarely agree with poster Mr. B. The world truly IS full of surprises.

[golfing eagles]

I do the same. I'll never understand the inside lane able to turn right!! I will always think they are set up for more crashes.

That's only because you don't understand. The inner lane is NOT making a right turn from the left lane

[clgill]

Most states have 2 roundabout lanes (like we do) so that fire trucks, semi's, motor homes, etc. can get through the roundabout easily using both inner and outer lanes. Most states raise the inner lane surface approximately an inch and use bricks that have a rougher surface so cars naturally stay off the inner lane. That way everyone in the roundabout is in single file so there is no need for complemented and confusing instructions. It's that easy folks! I would imagine The Villages will retrofit all roundabouts to conform with this method thus eliminating the majority of roundabout accidents that occur on a daily basis. To make it further uncomplicated (for those that need it) a sign reading 'INNER LANE FOR COMMERCIAL VEHICLES ONLY' could be placed at each entrance to the roundabout, although that's not needed in most states.

[golfing eagles]

Probably was not NICE to say "HER" in that last statement, at least not politically correct, or even a "good" joke. "Her" implies that women are stupid and worse drivers than men, which insurance statistics say is NOT true. If it was intended as a JOKE that is not TOO terrible and misogynistic - but it is still a too -old joke and ceased to be funny after 1950!

Too bad. Get a life!

[Bill14564]

Most states have 2 roundabout lanes (like we do) so that fire trucks, semi's, motor homes, etc. can get through the roundabout easily using both inner and outer lanes. Most states raise the inner lane surface approximately an inch and use bricks that have a rougher surface so cars naturally stay off the inner lane. That way everyone in the roundabout is in single file so there is no need for complemented and confusing instructions. It's that easy folks! I would imagine The Villages will retrofit all roundabouts to conform with this method thus eliminating the majority of roundabout accidents that occur on a daily basis. To make it further uncomplicated (for those that need it) a sign reading 'INNER LANE FOR COMMERCIAL VEHICLES ONLY' could be placed at each entrance to the roundabout, although that's not needed in most states.

Seriously? There are signs at the roundabouts now that provide perfect instructions on how to navigate them safely. This thread (and I take it there are several others) exist because some drivers choose to ignore those signs.

Also, I can't see turning a two lane circle into a one lane circle by changing the surface of the inside lane and then adding a sign that references a lane that visually doesn't exist as a way to uncomplicate anything.

How many roundabout accidents happen on a daily basis? Granted, I don't visit many roundabouts each day, but in over five months of living here I have seen exactly zero accidents; I would have expected to see at least one.

Leave the two-lane circles alone and spend time on driver training. Driver training will be less costly, will not create bottlenecks to increase congestion, and will benefit the drivers when they encounter circles elsewhere.

[Topspinmo]

You're thinking like it's okay to take a right from the left lane is what causes accidents. The inner lane is not the "straight" lane. That would ONLY work if the right lane entering the roundabout HAD to take the first exit. They don't have to take the 1st exit.


They have to take the first or second exit. Regardless you enter in the outside right lane you are commenting to turn at the first or second exit. It you don’t you better be yielding at the second exit. If you hit car in the left lane going STRAIGHT through at second exit you will be at fault.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

One main reason this legal maneuver would be a problem is because people coming from the east and north would not yield before entering. All traffic, in the roundabout, both lanes, have the right of way. Entering vehicles must yield to all traffic, both lanes.

You can't always SEE traffic in both lanes. Traffic directly across from you is obscured by trees. You have no idea that they're even there, until you've already entered the circle and they come around behind you.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

That's only because you don't understand. The inner lane is NOT making a right turn from the left lane

Yes, you are. If you are in the inside lane of a 2-lane roundabout, then you are in the LEFT lane. You are LEFT of the outside lane, of a roundabout that only has two lanes. Only one can be the left one, and only one can be the right one. The inside lane in a roundabout that goes counter-clockwise, is a LEFT lane.

If you are exiting the roundabout, no matter where that exit is when you get to it - you are exiting to your RIGHT. You -cannot- exit to the left. You're already left. Any further left, and you will be in the MIDDLE of the roundabout, and not in any lane at all.

[golfing eagles]

Yes, you are. If you are in the inside lane of a 2-lane roundabout, then you are in the LEFT lane. You are LEFT of the outside lane, of a roundabout that only has two lanes. Only one can be the left one, and only one can be the right one. The inside lane in a roundabout that goes counter-clockwise, is a LEFT lane.

If you are exiting the roundabout, no matter where that exit is when you get to it - you are exiting to your RIGHT. You -cannot- exit to the left. You're already left. Any further left, and you will be in the MIDDLE of the roundabout, and not in any lane at all.

NO, YOU'RE NOT. Of course you can't exit left, that's why you are NOT making a right turn from a left lane when you choose to go straight through a RB in the inner lane. DOH!!! Maybe it would help you, and all the others that don't understand, to not think of it as a left lane, just an inside lane

[stebooo]

The only issue I have is if I am taking the second exit I have to fear a car in the right lane who isn't in the right lane. I have to either slow down or speed up and signal. I'm on but most aren't. Not sure our generation will ever get it right.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

NO, YOU'RE NOT. Of course you can't exit left, that's why you are NOT making a right turn from a left lane when you choose to go straight through a RB in the inner lane. DOH!!! Maybe it would help you, and all the others that don't understand, to not think of it as a left lane, just an inside lane

Here's a little experiment for you:

Look at an old fashioned watch. See how the hands connect in the middle. Now change the time to exactly 6 o'clock.

Look at those hands. They go straight up and down. Or, if you were in a roundabout, straight north and south. Or straight east and west.

Notice there is no way to go STRAIGHT through that clock, from south to north, without running into the center of the clock where the two hands meet.

If that were a traffic circle, and you were going STRAIGHT through the roundabout, you would do the same thing with your car. I can assure you, the results would be unpleasant.

No, in order to move your finger around counter-clockwise from "near-center" (the inside lane), you go around, UNTIL you see the 12 o'clock coming up on your...what is that called? Oh yeah. On your right. When you see that 12 o'clock number coming up on your right, you veer away from the counter-clockwise movement, and instead, go to your RIGHT.

If you don't go to your right, you will simply continue going around in circles, endlessly, until you run out of gas or get a blister on your finger (depending on whether you're driving a car or moving your finger around a watch face).

You are physically, literally, moving RIGHT when you exit out of a traffic circle. That is what you are doing with your hands on the wheel, it's what your car is doing, and that's why you're supposed to put on your RIGHT turn signal when you exit.

[Bogie Shooter]

Most states have 2 roundabout lanes (like we do) so that fire trucks, semi's, motor homes, etc. can get through the roundabout easily using both inner and outer lanes. Most states raise the inner lane surface approximately an inch and use bricks that have a rougher surface so cars naturally stay off the inner lane. That way everyone in the roundabout is in single file so there is no need for complemented and confusing instructions. It's that easy folks! I would imagine The Villages will retrofit all roundabouts to conform with this method thus eliminating the majority of roundabout accidents that occur on a daily basis. To make it further uncomplicated (for those that need it) a sign reading 'INNER LANE FOR COMMERCIAL VEHICLES ONLY' could be placed at each entrance to the roundabout, although that's not needed in most states.

Accidents on a daily basis,,,,I think not. More accidents at intersections.
Darn it I told myself not to post on anymore roundabout threads.

[Bill14564]

Here's a little experiment for you:

Look at an old fashioned watch. See how the hands connect in the middle. Now change the time to exactly 6 o'clock.

Look at those hands. They go straight up and down. Or, if you were in a roundabout, straight north and south. Or straight east and west.

Notice there is no way to go STRAIGHT through that clock, from south to north, without running into the center of the clock where the two hands meet.

If that were a traffic circle, and you were going STRAIGHT through the roundabout, you would do the same thing with your car. I can assure you, the results would be unpleasant.

No, in order to move your finger around counter-clockwise from "near-center" (the inside lane), you go around, UNTIL you see the 12 o'clock coming up on your...what is that called? Oh yeah. On your right. When you see that 12 o'clock number coming up on your right, you veer away from the counter-clockwise movement, and instead, go to your RIGHT.

If you don't go to your right, you will simply continue going around in circles, endlessly, until you run out of gas or get a blister on your finger (depending on whether you're driving a car or moving your finger around a watch face).

You are physically, literally, moving RIGHT when you exit out of a traffic circle. That is what you are doing with your hands on the wheel, it's what your car is doing, and that's why you're supposed to put on your RIGHT turn signal when you exit.

Or you could think about the center of the circle like a box in the road - you steer around the box in order to continue going straight.

[golfing eagles]

Here's a little experiment for you:

Look at an old fashioned watch. See how the hands connect in the middle. Now change the time to exactly 6 o'clock.

Look at those hands. They go straight up and down. Or, if you were in a roundabout, straight north and south. Or straight east and west.

Notice there is no way to go STRAIGHT through that clock, from south to north, without running into the center of the clock where the two hands meet.

If that were a traffic circle, and you were going STRAIGHT through the roundabout, you would do the same thing with your car. I can assure you, the results would be unpleasant.

No, in order to move your finger around counter-clockwise from "near-center" (the inside lane), you go around, UNTIL you see the 12 o'clock coming up on your...what is that called? Oh yeah. On your right. When you see that 12 o'clock number coming up on your right, you veer away from the counter-clockwise movement, and instead, go to your RIGHT.

If you don't go to your right, you will simply continue going around in circles, endlessly, until you run out of gas or get a blister on your finger (depending on whether you're driving a car or moving your finger around a watch face).

You are physically, literally, moving RIGHT when you exit out of a traffic circle. That is what you are doing with your hands on the wheel, it's what your car is doing, and that's why you're supposed to put on your RIGHT turn signal when you exit.

Let me try to educate you a different way:

It's a CIRCLE, with traffic continually moving around. It is NOT a traditional intersection with a left lane and a right lane. You are NOT making a "right" turn, EVER. You are exiting right, if you prefer that terminology. If it were an intersection of two 4 lane roads, you would go left from the left lane, right from the right lane, and straight from EITHER lane. That is exactly what happens in the RB, except the left turn is a 270 degree "travel" through the RB, a right turn is a 90 degree travel, and straight is 180 degrees. When you use the inner lane to go straight, YOU ARE NOT TURNING RIGHT.

Also, consider this. Ever travel of the turnpike to Orlando? Many "exits" are 2 lane exits, where the right lane MUST exit and the 2nd from the right lane MAY exit. If you view that situation in isolation, your premise is that the car in the inner/left exit lane is making a right turn from the left lane. Don't argue, it's EXACTLY the same thing as the RBs. To take it further, if there is an entrance lane just before the exit, those cars that are coming into the turnpike MUST YIELD to traffic in BOTH exit lanes, just like in a RB

Get it now??????

[golfing eagles]

This thread is amazing. Something as simple as a traffic circle has people confused and befuddled. Two posters, whom I often disagree with, still don't get it. They are NOT dumb, I respect them both as highly intelligent and articulate (although a bit misguided:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:) What is it about these RBs?

[Topspinmo]

I've been saying all along that roundabouts in The Villages, with folks that have never seen them before and are inherently bad drivers anyway, should be single lane. You can explain the proper procedure of maneuvering through them all you want, but the simple point is that there is not a given hour of the day, of the year, decade, etc. that you won't find that 90% of the operators handle a roundabout incorrectly.

Single lane is the only solution. Instruction fails miserably.


Too much traffic for single lane. If that was the solution all roads should be single two lane roads. Just imagine how long it would take to go down 441 or 75.

[Marty94]

What if you’re discussing Reverse Mortgages, wearing a mask, in a round about and your dog poops?

Then get out your white cross and pray that you aren’t headed to Traders Joe’s, Cosco or an Executive Golf Course.

[Abner50]

When I taught my kids to drive I cautioned them to drive as if every other driver was out to kill them. Watch them like a hawk.
That is the best way to go through the roundabouts.

[swooner]

IMOP....too compact to be safe..drivers are more confused than a goat on astroturf.:MOJE_whot: I treat all roundabouts like a single lane rotary and use a turn signal when exiting.
It's the dumb drivers, not the roundabouts.

[golfing eagles]

It's the dumb drivers, not the roundabouts.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

[rjn5656]

I don't have a problem with them. Just follow the rules and everyone will be ok. But be cautious for others .

[golfing eagles]

I don't have a problem with them. Just follow the rules and everyone will be ok. But be cautious for others .

IF ONLY that was what actually happens.........

[tophcfa]

IMOP....too compact to be safe..drivers are more confused than a goat on astroturf.:MOJE_whot: I treat all roundabouts like a single lane rotary and use a turn signal when exiting.

Roundabouts are only as safe as the worst driver in the roundabout. If the GOAT on astroturf is TB12, there is no confusion.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I don't have a problem with them. Just follow the rules and everyone will be ok. But be cautious for others .

It's not that bad when it's 2 lanes exiting onto 2 lanes, or 1 lane exiting onto 1 lane. But when it's 2 lanes exiting onto 1 lane it's confusing, dangerous, and a little scary.

ESPECIALLY when it's 2 lanes exiting onto 1 lane PLUS a golf cart path slicing right at that spot, AND the golf cart path is somewhat obscured by a wall, before everyone gets to that point.

[golfing eagles]

It's not that bad when it's 2 lanes exiting onto 2 lanes, or 1 lane exiting onto 1 lane. But when it's 2 lanes exiting onto 1 lane it's confusing, dangerous, and a little scary.

ESPECIALLY when it's 2 lanes exiting onto 1 lane PLUS a golf cart path slicing right at that spot, AND the golf cart path is somewhat obscured by a wall, before everyone gets to that point.

All true

[shut the front door]

IMOP....too compact to be safe..drivers are more confused than a goat on astroturf.:MOJE_whot: I treat all roundabouts like a single lane rotary and use a turn signal when exiting.

You are doing it wrong and you are the problem, not the solution.

[mgkw1]

IMOP....too compact to be safe..drivers are more confused than a goat on astroturf.:MOJE_whot: I treat all roundabouts like a single lane rotary and use a turn signal when exiting.
You must be from the north. We all learned how to drive a rotary and it is one lane one car. Whoever is in the circle has the right of way otherwise you wait. Unless you are making an immediate right and think you an beat the car coming around the corner. I see at least one accident a week on Morse Blvd and these poorly planned circles. A true round about is one lane off set the the right designed to slow down traffic at an intersection.

[MFNOWLIN52]

So do I!

[John_W]

Before every roundabout there is a roadside sign that looks just like this. It shows two lanes entering the roundabout and what each lane is allowed to do. If you're in the right lane, you see half a circle with an arrow at the first exit and the second exit. If you're in the left lane you see a circle that goes 3/4 of the way around, and there is an arrow at the second exit and the third exit. Now memorized this sign.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/57755d1455562364-right-way-roundabout-sign-jpg

[Topspinmo]

You must be from the north. We all learned how to drive a rotary and it is one lane one car. Whoever is in the circle has the right of way otherwise you wait. Unless you are making an immediate right and think you an beat the car coming around the corner. I see at least one accident a week on Morse Blvd and these poorly planned circles. A true round about is one lane off set the the right designed to slow down traffic at an intersection.


One lane roundabouts are for low traffic roads like two lane roads. If you have two lanes going and coming you GOT to have two lane roundabouts going and coming. Otherwise traffic would be backed way in and more crashes that demolition derby.

[Polar Bear]

... see at least one accident a week on Morse Blvd and these poorly planned circles...
Waaaaay more than the average amount of accidents. And they all occur when you are in the vicinity. Hmmmmm.