Vaccine side effects are actually a GOOD thing

[coffeebean]

This is the latest information from the CDC about the mRNA vaccines. Those folks "on the fence" about taking one of the mRNA vaccines may want to watch this video......

Vaccine side effects are actually a good thing - YouTube (https://youtu.be/F6NKbQzo4aE)

Was curious to see the "other side of the story" so I clicked on the link. The video has been pulled due to "False Information" and "Checked by independent fact checkers".

[billethkid]

Well done presentation of a complex process.
I learned something watching it.
Thanx for posting.

[asianthree]

Utube for medical advice, or explanation, is there a office visit charge? Sorry I listen to the 6 medical professionals who actually know me, and can give professional advice, on facts of the patient, not a general analogy. Most who are refusing are medical professionals themselves.

[coffeebean]

Utube for medical advice, or explanation, is there a office visit charge? Sorry I listen to the 6 medical professionals who actually know me, and can give professional advice, on facts of the patient, not a general analogy. Most who are refusing are medical professionals themselves.

Honestly, scratching my head that medical professionals are refusing this vaccine. If they know something the general public doesn't know, I wish they would enlighten us all.

[Altavia]

Utube for medical advice, or explanation, is there a office visit charge? Sorry I listen to the 6 medical professionals who actually know me, and can give professional advice, on facts of the patient, not a general analogy. Most who are refusing are medical professionals themselves.

You've repeatedly stated medical professionals refusing vaccine, what's your source?

The only study I've found had that rate at 19%, about the same as the general population. Of that 19%, over half worked in retirement communities. Which explains the high infection rates in those facilities...

Where do you work?

[DeanFL]

Honestly, scratching my head that medical professionals are refusing this vaccine. If they know something the general public doesn't know, I wish they would enlighten us all.

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Completely, totally, absolutely, wholeheartedly AGREE with you.

We got #1 Moderna, and #2 in 3 weeks.
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[chet2020]

Utube for medical advice, or explanation, is there a office visit charge? Sorry I listen to the 6 medical professionals who actually know me, and can give professional advice, on facts of the patient, not a general analogy. Most who are refusing are medical professionals themselves.

BS.

[dms4rn]

I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?

[MandoMan]

You've repeatedly stated medical professionals refusing vaccine, what's your source?

The only study I've found had that rate at 19%, about the same as the general population. Of that 19%, over half worked in retirement communities. Which explains the high infection rates in those facilities...

Where do you work?

“Real” doctors get vaccinated and urge their patients to get vaccinated. If your doctor recommends, instead, an herbal supplement, or something similar, then flee! I believe in chiropractic medicine for certain musculoskeletal-skeletal pains, and acupuncture at times, but there are plenty of doctors of one sort or another who graduated at the bottom of their classes or who believe quack theories. Even doctors who can do a nifty spinal manipulation may try to sell you things that double your bill but aren’t necessary for people who eat properly, like multivitamins or various herbs or chemicals. For me, if a doctor doubts the vaccine, I would walk out at once.

[Cobullymom]

I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?
Thank you...as a nurse of 30 years, totally agree...

[tsmall22204]

Sulpose you are in the 1% group. It is like putting on a seat belt there is a 99% chance you will NOT be in an accident but you do it as a secondary protection method.

[GRACEALLEMAN]

This is propaganda. I know of several people who got very very ill after taking it. One almost died. Why would you take a vaccine that just came out, are you the one that purchases a car a new model, and then to find out later on that it was the worst engine that ever was invented or something blew up that you should have waited at least a year until you see how many of them die on the road

[Cobullymom]

Honestly, scratching my head that medical professionals are refusing this vaccine. If they know something the general public doesn't know, I wish they would enlighten us all.
Have you not ever heard or seen the hundreds of drugs manufactured by pharmaceutical companies over the years that went through extensive research and testing, put out on the market only to be recalled after there has been many repercussions, severe reactions, cancer, deaths....and everyone of them was cleared by the FDA for use? These vaccines have had no longevity study, but you do whatever you feel comfortable with and leave the rest of us to make our own educated decisions.

[villageuser]

I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?

I agree with you. Also want to add that I find it “interesting” that it was the top two more expensive vaccines which were approved first, Pfizer being the most expensive by A LOT, and the first one approved. It also does not prevent replication; it only minimizes the symptoms you will get if contaminated. AND you can still pass it on to someone else. Information gotten from the cdc and the .gov website. I will wait until we can stipulate which vaccine we want, and it will not be one of the RNA vaccine.

[Tmarkwald]

I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?

Ok, so 10 years of testing as a SARS, MERS vaccine and over 100,000 test subjects doesn't count? The only difference is the tweak from SARS to SARS-cov-2.

[Cobullymom]

“Real” doctors get vaccinated and urge their patients to get vaccinated. If your doctor recommends, instead, an herbal supplement, or something similar, then flee! I believe in chiropractic medicine for certain musculoskeletal-skeletal pains, and acupuncture at times, but there are plenty of doctors of one sort or another who graduated at the bottom of their classes or who believe quack theories. Even doctors who can do a nifty spinal manipulation may try to sell you things that double your bill but aren’t necessary for people who eat properly, like multivitamins or various herbs or chemicals. For me, if a doctor doubts the vaccine, I would walk out at once.
Real doctors, by what? Your definition....smh...lol

[Tmarkwald]

“Real” doctors get vaccinated and urge their patients to get vaccinated. If your doctor recommends, instead, an herbal supplement, or something similar, then flee! I believe in chiropractic medicine for certain musculoskeletal-skeletal pains, and acupuncture at times, but there are plenty of doctors of one sort or another who graduated at the bottom of their classes or who believe quack theories. Even doctors who can do a nifty spinal manipulation may try to sell you things that double your bill but aren’t necessary for people who eat properly, like multivitamins or various herbs or chemicals. For me, if a doctor doubts the vaccine, I would walk out at once.

Perfect. Any medical professional who advocates not getting the vaccine should lose their license.

[Cobullymom]

Perfect. Any medical professional who advocates not getting the vaccine should lose their license.
Why because you say so? The comments thrown out are those whom believe they should dictate others medical care and advice, over that of a medical doctor...There will always be medical differences of opinions, if they differ from yours, they should loose their license? Unbelievable...

[merrymini]

Your doctor makes decisions about your medical care every time you see them. The mRNA vaccines being used for the chinese flu are some of the first authorized for use in the United States. I, for one, am not convinced that it is a good thing to take. There have been no long term studies done on them. I will wait to see if the people taking them grow another head first. This is not the plague. It has a good survival rate and I have know many people who have had it and recovered fully, even a 90 year old. You cannot know, before you get sick or take a vaccine, what your body’s response will be. Big pay day for big pharm and a huge bill waiting for us at the nurses station. I respect every person’s decision including my own.

[Cheapbas]

Honestly, scratching my head that medical professionals are refusing this vaccine. If they know something the general public doesn't know, I wish they would enlighten us all.

Sorry, not sure I fully believe those saying medical professionals refusing.

This is mRNA, a different technology, not the old method of injecting dead cells.

They have been working on this since 2005, making great strides which is why it was ready in under a year. This will be the model of the future and will enable faster responses.

Fauci could not have said it better

“ The speed is a reflection of years of work that went before,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert, told The Associated Press. “That’s what the public has to understand.”

Creating vaccines and having results from rigorous studies less than a year after the world discovered a never-before-seen disease is incredible, cutting years off normal development. But the two U.S. frontrunners are made in a way that promises speedier development may become the norm — especially if they prove to work long-term as well as early testing suggests.”

For the anti-vaxers posting here, thanks for your “ this is the way we’ve always done it” input. You’re outdated.

[MickeyStevens]

Get vaccine or not get vaccine? Folks it's not news we are only on this earth a short time. Yes all of us want to live as long as possible I'll get the vaccine but one way or the other I'll never get off this earth alive. I don't have a death wish but I believe when we pass was written when we were born. Me? I've had a great life and if I were to die today I have no regrets I have faith in God, whatever will be will be.

[RockyGeans]

Honestly, scratching my head that medical professionals are refusing this vaccine. If they know something the general public doesn't know, I wish they would enlighten us all.

Could not agree more!

[coffeebean]

I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?

What's the point? A person will not die of Covid, that is the point. A person will not have the "long haul" effects of Covid if they do survive. That's the point.

You claim there is a huge percentage that people survive Covid, BUT that small percentage of people who don't survive can be a real killer! I guess you and your health care professional friends are willing to take that gamble??? Good luck to you all.

Masking will eventually be a thing of the past once our population reaches herd immunity. That will only happen if enough people are vaccinated.

[Arl]

I totally agree thank you

[oneclickplus]

This is the latest information from the CDC about the mRNA vaccines. Those folks "on the fence" about taking one of the mRNA vaccines may want to watch this video......

Vaccine side effects are actually a good thing - YouTube (https://youtu.be/F6NKbQzo4aE)

Dr. Kirsten Lyke ... from the video ... referring to side effects:

"in general, it's nothing to fear. It's our own immune systems kicking in and doing what it's supposed to do".

Well, everyone's immune system kicks in and does what it's supposed to do WITHOUT getting an mRNA shot (not a vaccine).

Not getting the shot (not a vaccine) ever. It's not a matter of how safe it is or how effective it is. It is a matter of a free American making a personal choice that is no one else's business.

[davephan]

No one is being forced to take the COVID-19 vaccination. If you’re doctor recommended not taking the vaccination, I’d suggest getting a second or third opinion from another doctor at another clinic or hospital.

Currently, 29% of the seniors in Florida had at least one vaccination shot, and 16% had both vaccination shot. In a month from now, 42% of seniors will have had at least one vaccination shot, and 29% will have had both vaccination shots. At that rate, it will take about three months to vaccinate all the seniors in Florida.

It’s you’re choice to opt out of the COVID-19 vaccination if you are afraid of the possible bad outcome of taking the vaccination shots. However, you are then accepting the risks and implications of getting COVID-19. But you are also saving vaccination shots for the rest of society, to get their vaccination shots a little quicker.

Eventually, not having the vaccination shot could deny you air travel, cruises, mass transit, and other large crowd gatherings. Perhaps your health insurance costs might increase too. It’s not hard to envision future implementations of not being vaccinated.

If the reasons to not be vaccinated were valid, you would probably have seen a lot more bad reactions to the vaccinations by this time.

[oneclickplus]

Masking will eventually be a thing of the past once our population reaches herd immunity. That will only happen if enough people are vaccinated.

Actually, no. That can also happen if enough people are exposed to the virus and their God-given immune systems respond and create and immunity.

[camaguey48]

This is the latest information from the CDC about the mRNA vaccines. Those folks "on the fence" about taking one of the mRNA vaccines may want to watch this video......

Vaccine side effects are actually a good thing - YouTube (https://youtu.be/F6NKbQzo4aE)
Please everybody. Stop. Take it if it feels good. Move along with your lives and mind your business. Give it a rest, please.

[oneclickplus]

If the reasons to not be vaccinated were valid, you would probably have seen a lot more bad reactions to the vaccinations by this time.

Really? You give any consideration that possibly millions will have a long-term adverse reaction such as an auto-immune condition from mRNA running wild in your cells? You have that crystal ball?

[SophieP]

Great, informative video.....Thank you for sharing this!

[Altavia]

I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?

Talk to a real COVID nurse. The infected 1% spend their final horrible 1-3 weeks drowning alone on their own body fluids. Another 2-3% have long term after effects in major body organs or suffer multiple mini strokes (brain fog) due to thousands of microembolisms.

Medical professionals that ignor medicine and science who are not willing to reduce the risk of infecting their susceptible patients should find another profession. At least let their patients know so they can ask for someone else.

[Johnsocat]

Sulpose you are in the 1% group. It is like putting on a seat belt there is a 99% chance you will NOT be in an accident but you do it as a secondary protection method.
There is a percentage of people who die BECAUSE they were a seat belt. There are no guarantees in life...

[Bill14564]

Actually, no. That can also happen if enough people are exposed to the virus and their God-given immune systems respond and create and immunity.

Let's see, if there have been at least as many asymptomatic cases as there have been confirmed cases (27M) that means about 54M people in the US have been infected so far.

If the current fatality rate among confirmed cases is 1.5% then that means the overall fatality rate including asymptomatic infections is about 0.75%.

If you need 80% of the population to be immune then with 300M people in the US that would be 240M infections.

At a fatality rate of 0.75%, 240M infections would lead to 1,800,000 deaths. Since we are close to 500,000 deaths today, that means only 1,300,000 more people would be expected to die for enough people to be exposed to the virus and their God-given immune systems to respond and give immunity.

So, we can move forward with the vaccine or we can look forward to 1,300,000 more deaths: I know what my choice is.

[Johnsocat]

What's the point? A person will not die of Covid, that is the point. A person will not have the "long haul" effects of Covid if they do survive. That's the point.

You claim there is a huge percentage that people survive Covid, BUT that small percentage of people who don't survive can be a real killer! I guess you and your health care professional friends are willing to take that gamble??? Good luck to you all.

Masking will eventually be a thing of the past once our population reaches herd immunity. That will only happen if enough people are vaccinated.
Who knows what the "long haul" after effects of the virus are? Additionally, no one knows what the "long haul" effects of the RNA vaccine are?
Seems you are accepting risk either way..

[Andyb]

Yep, go ahead and believe the CDC and your current Government.

[virtualcynthia]

Thank you for the video. It was great. However, I almost regret opening the thread because I started reading the debate again.
Part of the issue is age. The survival rate is lower and hospitalization rate higher as you get older. The medical profession seems to reflect the general population in their feelings about the vaccine. We don’t know the long term effects of the vaccine, but we don’t know the long term effects of COVID. Bottom line, make the decision that’s best for you and give the debate a rest. Also, if you can, over tip, give to food pantries, do what ever you can to help those whose lives have been so turned up side down who are mainly under but also over 65. Be blessed.

[irishwonone]

Wow. The Villages seems to have more Covid-19 experts than I could ever imagined. Totally amazing.

[tvmurray]

Thank you for saying what we believe!

[Love2Swim]

I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?

A CDC survey back in November showed that 63% of healthcare workers are ready to get the vaccine, and the numbers are higher today.

[Love2Swim]

Sorry, not sure I fully believe those saying medical professionals refusing.

This is mRNA, a different technology, not the old method of injecting dead cells.

They have been working on this since 2005, making great strides which is why it was ready in under a year. This will be the model of the future and will enable faster responses.

Fauci could not have said it better

“ The speed is a reflection of years of work that went before,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert, told The Associated Press. “That’s what the public has to understand.”

Creating vaccines and having results from rigorous studies less than a year after the world discovered a never-before-seen disease is incredible, cutting years off normal development. But the two U.S. frontrunners are made in a way that promises speedier development may become the norm — especially if they prove to work long-term as well as early testing suggests.”

For the anti-vaxers posting here, thanks for your “ this is the way we’ve always done it” input. You’re outdated.

:bigbow:

[asianthree]

You've repeatedly stated medical professionals refusing vaccine, what's your source?

The only study I've found had that rate at 19%, about the same as the general population. Of that 19%, over half worked in retirement communities. Which explains the high infection rates in those facilities...

Where do you work?

Ahhh you are looking for a study, instead of being in the real world of working in hospitals. You also seem to think it’s only at the facility I am affiliated with. My affiliation is 9 hospitals. The parent company is over 300, not counting off site, outpatient facilities.

As of 2/11, it was the employees choice to be vaccinated. Their reasons are personal, younger staff have different reasoning, than older staff. Plus those who live an organic life, and don’t use any big pharm. When you work since March, actually know you are exposed everyday, not guessing, it’s a different perspective. One is exposed every day in medical facilities, to something, it’s just one more thing on the list

[Nannyof3]

four of us went together for the second dose. all four had a reaction. two had extreme exhaustion, two had aches and chills. nothing lasted more that 12-18 hours. we'd do it again if needed. No reaction whatsoever to the first dose. we're all so very glad and grateful to be fully vaccinated

[nick demis]

So are the ones who refuse to take the vaccine willing to accept that those who have taken it will be exempt from being forced to ware masks?

[askcarl]

The Long term effects of breathing is Death.

[jimbo2012]

Eventually, not having the vaccination shot could deny you air travel, cruises, mass transit, and other large crowd gatherings.

The airlines & cruise lines have been discussing a vaccination card or proof requirement before boarding.

Dr. Fauci Says a Mandated Vaccine for Travel '''Is on the Table''' in New Interview | Travel + Leisure (https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/dr-fauci-covid-vaccine-passports-required-future-travel)

But the town squares & bars will be exempt:popcorn:

[Mikee1]

3 pages of "expert" key board warriors, stating or defending their "expert" opinion. Does anyone really think they are going to sway someone with their "expert" opinion? Why not get a hobby that helps folks, like volunteering at a hospital, animal shelter, etc, etc. There you can actually do some good. Beating on your keyboard on here for topics like this accomplishes nothing, why waste your time?

[doodles]

Bottom line is most retired seniors like to travel and
WITHOUT the vaccine you won’t be allowed on planes, cruise ships etc. you also won’t be allowed in a lot of other countries

[Bill14564]

Bottom line is most retired seniors like to travel and
WITHOUT the vaccine you won’t be allowed on planes, cruise ships etc. you also won’t be allowed in a lot of other countries

Pure speculation at the moment. Hopefully, more rational thinking will prevail and this will NOT come to pass. Need to get through the worldwide vaccination process before this will be an issue.

[Trynforpar]

Very detailed explanation to most of the concerns I have. Going for my 2nd Moderna vaccine on Friday. Great video.

[nhtexasrn]

Ok, so 10 years of testing as a SARS, MERS vaccine and over 100,000 test subjects doesn't count? The only difference is the tweak from SARS to SARS-cov-2.

Registered Nurse here and I agree. I know many people in the medical field getting the vaccine and I am one of them! I also got small pox vaccine, polio vaccine, flu shot every year, etc. etc. As I understand it, no steps in testing were skipped, but done simultaneously which usually is not the case.

[airstreamingypsy]

I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?

My BFF is an RN, she got the vaccine as soon as she could. I think people should listen to experts, like Fauci, instead of some random person who claims to be an RN.

[coffeebean]

Have you not ever heard or seen the hundreds of drugs manufactured by pharmaceutical companies over the years that went through extensive research and testing, put out on the market only to be recalled after there has been many repercussions, severe reactions, cancer, deaths....and everyone of them was cleared by the FDA for use? These vaccines have had no longevity study, but you do whatever you feel comfortable with and leave the rest of us to make our own educated decisions.

Absolutely, I have heard of adverse effects of drugs. Thalidomide comes to mind from years ago and more recently, Vioxx was taken off the market. It is always a risk taking any type of drug. The benefit must outweigh the risk. We are all adults and can make up our own minds as to how much risk we are willing to take vs the benefit.

This is how I see it......I'm not willing to risk having a bad outcome from Covid, including death. I look forward to the day I can finally be free of these damn masks and feel safe out and about in the community maskless. The vaccine gives me that freedom and the feeling of being safe very soon. One of these days, I believe we will all be free to go out and about maskless. Folks who are vaccinated will have a higher level of safety, IMHO, and I embrace those odds.

[coffeebean]

Dr. Kirsten Lyke ... from the video ... referring to side effects:

"in general, it's nothing to fear. It's our own immune systems kicking in and doing what it's supposed to do".

Well, everyone's immune system kicks in and does what it's supposed to do WITHOUT getting an mRNA shot (not a vaccine).

Not getting the shot (not a vaccine) ever. It's not a matter of how safe it is or how effective it is. It is a matter of a free American making a personal choice that is no one else's business.

To me, that sounds like you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. My goodness, even if you were to be given a guarantee that these mRNA vaccines are perfectly safe and as effective as the efficacy has been reported from the trials, you STILL would not take the vaccine just to prove it is your right to refuse it? Is that what you are saying?

[PugMom]

Utube for medical advice, or explanation, is there a office visit charge? Sorry I listen to the 6 medical professionals who actually know me, and can give professional advice, on facts of the patient, not a general analogy. Most who are refusing are medical professionals themselves.

this is true. several of my heathcare team are NOT getting it, including my dr., or so he says. he also doesn't 'push' the flu shot for me either.

[coffeebean]

No one is being forced to take the COVID-19 vaccination. If you’re doctor recommended not taking the vaccination, I’d suggest getting a second or third opinion from another doctor at another clinic or hospital.

Currently, 29% of the seniors in Florida had at least one vaccination shot, and 16% had both vaccination shot. In a month from now, 42% of seniors will have had at least one vaccination shot, and 29% will have had both vaccination shots. At that rate, it will take about three months to vaccinate all the seniors in Florida.

It’s you’re choice to opt out of the COVID-19 vaccination if you are afraid of the possible bad outcome of taking the vaccination shots. However, you are then accepting the risks and implications of getting COVID-19. But you are also saving vaccination shots for the rest of society, to get their vaccination shots a little quicker.

Eventually, not having the vaccination shot could deny you air travel, cruises, mass transit, and other large crowd gatherings. Perhaps your health insurance costs might increase too. It’s not hard to envision future implementations of not being vaccinated.

If the reasons to not be vaccinated were valid, you would probably have seen a lot more bad reactions to the vaccinations by this time.

I do agree with everything you said in this post. However, I would like to comment on your wording of "bad reactions". I'm just wondering what some folks are considering "bad reactions". Are the body aches, fever, severe headaches, and muscle pain considered "bad reactions"? Not to me. I embraced my kick ass response to that second vaccination shot. My reaction was a signal to me that my immune system is functioning at a high level for the old body I have and I was so thankful to that reaction.

[coffeebean]

Actually, no. That can also happen if enough people are exposed to the virus and their God-given immune systems respond and create and immunity.

Now you sound like that quack, Scott Atlas. It has already been determined that there would be too many deaths if herd immunity is reached naturally. Survival of the fittest would wipe out too much of our population. I can not believe anyone in their right mind would advocate such a thing.

[coffeebean]

Please everybody. Stop. Take it if it feels good. Move along with your lives and mind your business. Give it a rest, please.

You had every right NOT to click on this thread and read it. It's not like it was a secret what this thread is about. I made very clear in the title what the discussion would be. Intelligent discussion should never be quelled so the MYOB suggestion is laughable.

[coffeebean]

Really? You give any consideration that possibly millions will have a long-term adverse reaction such as an auto-immune condition from mRNA running wild in your cells? You have that crystal ball?

Read about how these mRNA vaccines actually work. Please do not offer misinformation. Here you go. Read all about it......

Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html)

[coffeebean]

Let's see, if there have been at least as many asymptomatic cases as there have been confirmed cases (27M) that means about 54M people in the US have been infected so far.

If the current fatality rate among confirmed cases is 1.5% then that means the overall fatality rate including asymptomatic infections is about 0.75%.

If you need 80% of the population to be immune then with 300M people in the US that would be 240M infections.

At a fatality rate of 0.75%, 240M infections would lead to 1,800,000 deaths. Since we are close to 500,000 deaths today, that means only 1,300,000 more people would be expected to die for enough people to be exposed to the virus and their God-given immune systems to respond and give immunity.

So, we can move forward with the vaccine or we can look forward to 1,300,000 more deaths: I know what my choice is.

What I said but without all the stats. Very good. Thank you. I''l say it again......Scott Atlas is a quack!!!

[coffeebean]

Who knows what the "long haul" after effects of the virus are? Additionally, no one knows what the "long haul" effects of the RNA vaccine are?
Seems you are accepting risk either way..

Agree. But......each person must make their own risk assessment and decide if the benefit outweighs the risk.

[Kenswing]

You would think once someone received both of their shots that they would lose their obsession with this topic.

[coffeebean]

3 pages of "expert" key board warriors, stating or defending their "expert" opinion. Does anyone really think they are going to sway someone with their "expert" opinion? Why not get a hobby that helps folks, like volunteering at a hospital, animal shelter, etc, etc. There you can actually do some good. Beating on your keyboard on here for topics like this accomplishes nothing, why waste your time?

You have every right to NOT click on any thread you do not want read. It is your choice.

As for your claim that there are "experts" on this forum......no one on this forum has claimed to be an expert about vaccines or this virus. That is just your and other's rhetoric. I can see that very clearly.

There are those who do divulge that they are health care professionals but even then, health care professionals are not experts unless they are epidemiologists, are infectious disease physicians or actually work with the development of these vaccines.

[coffeebean]

you would think once someone received both of their shots that they would lose their obsession with this topic.

I consider myself passionate, not obsessed.

[Kenswing]

I consider myself passionate, not obsessed.

I liked your first answer before the edit better.. :icon_wink:

[Altavia]

Ahhh you are looking for a study, instead of being in the real world of working in hospitals. You also seem to think it’s only at the facility I am affiliated with. My affiliation is 9 hospitals. The parent company is over 300, not counting off site, outpatient facilities.

As of 2/11, it was the employees choice to be vaccinated. Their reasons are personal, younger staff have different reasoning, than older staff. Plus those who live an organic life, and don’t use any big pharm. When you work since March, actually know you are exposed everyday, not guessing, it’s a different perspective. One is exposed every day in medical facilities, to something, it’s just one more thing on the list

I guess (as of 2/11...) those facilities have no problem having employees choose to maintain a 95% higher risk infecting the most vulurable in their care.

[Hopeful Returnee]

Thanks for sharing this about vaccine side efects.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

You may put down youtube as a source for medical information but you should understand that youtube is only a forum where medical professionals and others state their opinion. I've seen several stories explaining why the temporary side effects are an indication that the vaccine is working.

As far as nurses who are speaking out here, I know many nurses, doctors and others int he medical profession that have been vaccinated. In fact they were the first to get it.

[Byte1]

I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?

Makes one wonder IF a person is truly a medical professional, how do they use the term "face diaper?" I also find it interesting when folks say they are "professionals" at something, and then deny new technology. This technology has been in studies for over ten years. Not enough "thorough testing?" It passed enough testing to get released by the FDA for consumption.
I have not heard of ONE physician that has told his patients NOT to get the vaccination. Of course, I have not interviewed ALL the doctors in the U.S. but I would find it alarming if their nurses are telling their patients not to get the vaccination. I told my doctor that I have not had the flu shot for sixty years and he still said he recommended it. Even though I have never had the flu, he still suggested that I get it, in my "old" age. He did NOT insist I get it, but recommended it.
I would think that with very minute amount of side issues associated with this vaccine, that a nurse would consider it safer than all the other vaccinations that have caused illness and even deaths in this country. But, I guess 300,000 deaths attributed to COVID in this country, does not warrant the emergency use of a "NEW" vaccination.

[Al2014]

I respect everyone's right to decide if they want to get this vaccine or not. I'm somewhat entertained by those who appear to want to campaign for the right thing to do and provide suppport for their decision either way. I'm thankful that I still have the freedom to make my own decisions. I also believe that I am resonsible for my own actions. As for me, I will be getting shot#2 this week at my family doctor's office. I pray that your family remains healthy whichever decisions you make about your health.

[Byte1]

Whether or not you are getting the vaccination is not the issue or even pertinent to the subject. The OP shared a link that explained the side effects of getting the shot. It did not argue getting the shot or not. So, if you are too scared to get the shot, then why are you insisting that everyone else know it? Is it that you wish company in your misery, fear, hysteria?

[Pegasusprt]

This is the latest information from the CDC about the mRNA vaccines. Those folks "on the fence" about taking one of the mRNA vaccines may want to watch this video......

Vaccine side effects are actually a good thing - YouTube (https://youtu.be/F6NKbQzo4aE)

The other side of the story: Error Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/leigh.mason.9659/videos/469707364036720/)

[coffeebean]

I liked your first answer before the edit better.. :icon_wink:
Oh, you saw that, huh? You are quick! ROTFLMAO!

[Spalumbos62]

Dr. Kirsten Lyke ... from the video ... referring to side effects:

"in general, it's nothing to fear. It's our own immune systems kicking in and doing what it's supposed to do".

Well, everyone's immune system kicks in and does what it's supposed to do WITHOUT getting an mRNA shot (not a vaccine).

Not getting the shot (not a vaccine) ever. It's not a matter of how safe it is or how effective it is. It is a matter of a free American making a personal choice that is no one else's business.


I'm sorry, I don't agree with you...its really not a free American making a free choice...that statement is as irresponsible as a person with AIDS having unprotected sex and not informing the partner. Please people, use your brains.....it really not "all about you"

[Bucco]

The other side of the story: Error Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/leigh.mason.9659/videos/469707364036720/)

This happens so much in this day and age, yet folks flock to be brainwashed.

Chances are super great that what you get on Facebook, or other sites, is going to be a lie, or simply misinformation.

Use Facebook to talk to family but NOTHING ELSE.

Then again there are weak minded and those who are searching to feed their confirmation bias, who suck this up and know nothing as a result of all that work.

There are actually those who either believe what they read on here, or allow it to weigh heavily on their decision.

Does not seem fair to mislead on something this important.

[MrLonzo]

The video is just a long way of saying that experiencing side effects from the vaccine indicates that it's working. What they don't answer is if you DON'T experience any side effects from the vaccine (as in my case), does that mean it's NOT working?

[jimjamuser]

This is the latest information from the CDC about the mRNA vaccines. Those folks "on the fence" about taking one of the mRNA vaccines may want to watch this video......

Vaccine side effects are actually a good thing - YouTube (https://youtu.be/F6NKbQzo4aE)

Was curious to see the "other side of the story" so I clicked on the link. The video has been pulled due to "False Information" and "Checked by independent fact checkers".
Taking the shots is not just a matter of "INDIVIDUAL" choice because it affects American society in particular and LIKELY the whole human race. Sounds too overblown, does it? Maybe like an "end of the world" scenario or a "B" movie? Not so! here is the logic behind my 1st statement - if there are around 30% of the people that refuse the vaccines, like the number in yesterday's thread on the subject, then the US and later the whole world do NOT achieve herd immunity - we have a problem! Houston !!!! WE need herd immunity to drop the CV new cases to near ZERO - then we can use contact tracing to finish off the Virus.

If we don't get BUY-IN from the anti-vaxxers by this summer or fall, then we will ALL be stuck with CV for years. And the VIRUS is not going to stay constant - it has shown already the capability to mutate toward INCREASED transmissibility and deadliness! Getting the vaccine or not is MORE than a casual, individual choice. It involves the possibility of systemic social destruction - basically, a nightmare situation! I am NOT guaranteeing or predicting this nightmare. I am just saying that it is a possibility - the odds of which can not be quantifiable.

Some other things are also going on now. We have both large TV personalities and DARK, obscure small TV networks like OAN that emphasize the side effects of the vaccines and de-emphasize the benefits. Parler gives out propaganda to sway the opinions of the anti-vaxxers. And Russian propaganda bots start the propaganda rolling. We need to be aware of the total downside of anti-vaxxer choice. There is MORE going on here than just American patriotism and preference for unlimited choice. We do not live on the frontier any longer.

[Hplaw]

Thank you...as a nurse of 30 years, totally agree...

I wonder if it is just in the Florida area where you work where people in the medical field are refusing the vaccine. Here in MI, they were vaccinating 1,200 per day at The University of Michigan Medical and the couple of nurses I spoke with during a visit could not wait to get the vaccine and protect themselves and see their family.

[coffeebean]

The video is just a long way of saying that experiencing side effects from the vaccine indicates that it's working. What they don't answer is if you DON'T experience any side effects from the vaccine (as in my case), does that mean it's NOT working?

Every article I have read about side effects or lack of side effects all say that you are still protected even if you have no side effects after the second shot. This is just an example......

I Got the COVID-19 Vaccine – Now What? (https://www.avera.org/balance/infectious-disease/i-got-the-covid-vaccine/)

[jimjamuser]

I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?
That so-called "face diaper" is pretty popular in Australia where both CV and the common Flu have been dramatically reduced - especially compared to the US. Surgeons wear "face diapers" in surgery.

[jimjamuser]

This is propaganda. I know of several people who got very very ill after taking it. One almost died. Why would you take a vaccine that just came out, are you the one that purchases a car a new model, and then to find out later on that it was the worst engine that ever was invented or something blew up that you should have waited at least a year until you see how many of them die on the road
Both vaccines and modern cars have improved and their reliability is high!

[jimjamuser]

Dr. Kirsten Lyke ... from the video ... referring to side effects:

"in general, it's nothing to fear. It's our own immune systems kicking in and doing what it's supposed to do".

Well, everyone's immune system kicks in and does what it's supposed to do WITHOUT getting an mRNA shot (not a vaccine).

Not getting the shot (not a vaccine) ever. It's not a matter of how safe it is or how effective it is. It is a matter of a free American making a personal choice that is no one else's business.
That would be fine - but we don't live on the frontier any longer. John Wayne is long gone.

[coffeebean]

This is a comment I originally did not respond to but decided I will respond now. I believe this response is directed at the video I posted in my original post on this thread.....

Originally Posted by GRACEALLEMAN
"This is propaganda. I know of several people who got very very ill after taking it. One almost died."

When you say, "very, very ill", exactly what symptoms did these people have? Were they common side effects of the vaccine such as fever, chills, body aches, muscle aches, severe headache and any of the other well documented side effects and reactions to the mRNA vaccines?

What happened to the person who "almost died"? Was that a reaction to the vaccine or did that severe side effect occur from something unrelated to the vaccine? Did that person who "almost died" report it to the proper authorities so they could investigate the cause of such a severe reaction that almost caused death?

[jimjamuser]

3 pages of "expert" key board warriors, stating or defending their "expert" opinion. Does anyone really think they are going to sway someone with their "expert" opinion? Why not get a hobby that helps folks, like volunteering at a hospital, animal shelter, etc, etc. There you can actually do some good. Beating on your keyboard on here for topics like this accomplishes nothing, why waste your time?
I have the time and enjoy putting my thoughts into words and print. That is the purpose of ANY forum.

[vermonster]

I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?

Sorry, but I must challenge that assertion that I have seen several times. Without doing a complete statistical analysis, just a simple calculation should suffice:
from the front page of the Daily Sun, 29179 deaths in FL/1821937 x 100 = 1.6%.
Moreover, given that deaths lag infections, the death rate is probably closer to 2%. For the age group of most of the people in The Villages, the death rate is multiple times that. So please don't throw statistics around if you don't understand how they work.

[jimjamuser]

I'm sorry, I don't agree with you...its really not a free American making a free choice...that statement is as irresponsible as a person with AIDS having unprotected sex and not informing the partner. Please people, use your brains.....it really not "all about you"
Agreed !

[Dan9871]

from the front page of the Daily Sun, 29179 deaths in FL/1821937 x 100 = 1.6%.
Moreover, given that deaths lag infections, the death rate is probably closer to 2%.

The number you are using as the denominator, 1821937, is the reported number of COVID cases in Florida.

Almost all deaths are reported though they are somewhat delayed. However the CDC says that only about 1 in 5 infections are reported ( Estimated Disease Burden of COVID-19 | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html) ). So 1821937 x 4.6 is a better estimate of the number of actual cases in Florida.

And along with that a better estimate of the fatality rate in Florida is:

100 x 29179 / (1821937 x 4.6 )

Which works out to about 0.4%, or 99.6% survival rate.

[flflowers]

Read about how these mRNA vaccines actually work. Please do not offer misinformation. Here you go. Read all about it......

Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html)

All that sounds great if you did not ever research or study the information on the "other" side. By definition it is not even a "vaccine"......the same protein is also the protein that placenta's are created from...will the immune system attack that developing placenta and cause miscarriage???? worth the risk?

[coffeebean]

All that sounds great if you did not ever research or study the information on the "other" side. By definition it is not even a "vaccine"......the same protein is also the protein that placenta's are created from...will the immune system attack that developing placenta and cause miscarriage???? worth the risk?

No, not worth the risk to a pregnancy. So......be vaccinated when not pregnant. Any woman of child bearing age should have a pregnancy test before vaccination. Just my opinion, of course but it makes sense to me.

[chet2020]

All that sounds great if you did not ever research or study the information on the "other" side. By definition it is not even a "vaccine"......the same protein is also the protein that placenta's are created from...will the immune system attack that developing placenta and cause miscarriage???? worth the risk?

mRNA is not a protein. The active ingredient in the vaccine is not a protein. But please, do tell the story of how the protein in the vaccine (that's not there) is somehow the exact same protein that placentas are created from (and that's assuming placentas consist of just one protein, which is false).

BTW, if you're 65+ years old, and you're main concern is how the vaccine might affect the placenta in case of pregnancy, call me reckless, but I'm going to say go ahead and get that vaccine.

[Cobullymom]

I wonder if it is just in the Florida area where you work where people in the medical field are refusing the vaccine. Here in MI, they were vaccinating 1,200 per day at The University of Michigan Medical and the couple of nurses I spoke with during a visit could not wait to get the vaccine and protect themselves and see their family.
Well thank Goodness I don’t live in Michigan where they have been locked down without evidence that it works, I have seen my family daily here in Florida so it’s a non issue...

[Altavia]

Keep in mind those who refuse the vaccine effectively have a 95% higher risk of transmitting disease.

[Byte1]

Keep in mind those who refuse the vaccine effectively have a 95% higher risk of transmitting disease.

True, BUT only if they have been exposed to the virus. The chances of being around someone that is infected is? And then the chances of you carrying the virus after being exposed to it is? Most of us have not been around anyone that had the virus in the past year. Of course, it is what it is. Those of us with the vaccination can feel confident that we will survive the pandemic, whereas those that refuse the vaccination will have to constantly be on the defensive about how they live a limited lifestyle. They will undoubtedly be alarmed if someone coughs around them or seems a bit feverish. Not a fun way to live.

[PersonalChoice]

Only healthy people were recruited for CV-19 vaccine trials? Animal testing was halted because the animals were dying? Also, pharmaceutical companies are given immunity from any possible adverse side effects including death? I think I'll wait awhile longer.

[terrild53]

Utube for medical advice, or explanation, is there a office visit charge? Sorry I listen to the 6 medical professionals who actually know me, and can give professional advice, on facts of the patient, not a general analogy. Most who are refusing are medical professionals themselves.
I agree that people should get their medical questions answered by Doctors, Nurse Practitioners or Physician Assistants and not the internet or You Tube. Medical providers go to college& med school for years, we spend time, years, training in hospitals, clinics & with Private physicians to learn all we can about providing medical care for our patients. When people believe their “internet education” over what we qualified providers know & have experience dealing with is an insult. There is so much misinformation out there. Talk with a qualified medical professional and get the true facts.

[terrild53]

However, if the person or people someone is around had asymptomatic Covid, then those unvaccinated folks can and do get exposed. People think because they have not had symptoms of illness that they are fine is a fallacy. I personally have chosen to get the vaccine to reduce my risk of getting ill. But it is not a guarantee due to
the variants out there. Being cautious is still recommended.

[Byte1]

Dr. Kirsten Lyke ... from the video ... referring to side effects:

"in general, it's nothing to fear. It's our own immune systems kicking in and doing what it's supposed to do".

Well, everyone's immune system kicks in and does what it's supposed to do WITHOUT getting an mRNA shot (not a vaccine).

Not getting the shot (not a vaccine) ever. It's not a matter of how safe it is or how effective it is. It is a matter of a free American making a personal choice that is no one else's business.

Sounds more like a Religious call. I am a "free American making a personal choice" and I am getting the shots to protect my spouse. Even though I am a Free American, I had little choice in this matter. The protection of my spouse is more important than posturing on principle. It really IS your choice, but saying one is a "free American" and that is your choice, is redundant. WE are all "free Americans" and we are using scientific evidence and stats to justify giving a minute amount of trust to the gov. Remember, we ARE the government technically. Your statement that our immune system will fight the virus is correct to a certain extent. Younger folks have an immunity system that can cope with the dangerous virus, but as you get older, not so much. I consider myself in good condition when it comes to immunity. I don't catch the flu and I don't get the flu shot. However, right now I do not consider the flu to be life threatening to my spouse. Dangerous, maybe. The virus on the other hand, would likely be deadly to my spouse. I am using my common sense and science to make the decision to get my COVID shots to protect the ones I care for. I doubt it would kill me, but it might kill them. I would have a hard time explaining to my kids how my "freedom" was more important than their mother. I may not like the idea of having a foreign substance injected into my body, but I am reasoning that even with the odds of me ever catching the virus is on my side, this shot will hedge my bet even more.
Your choice. I am just giving my reasoning for why I am getting the shot. No one is forcing you to get the shot. That is your "freedom." Our government is not insisting anyone get the shot. They are OFFERING the shot to you. I don't blame you for being hesitant of gov. motivations. On the other hand, are you hesitant when it comes to taking their COVID relief checks? Do you also refuse those, base on your "free American" ideology?

[Altavia]

True, BUT only if they have been exposed to the virus. The chances of being around someone that is infected is? And then the chances of you carrying the virus after being exposed to it is? Most of us have not been around anyone that had the virus in the past year. Of course, it is what it is. Those of us with the vaccination can feel confident that we will survive the pandemic, whereas those that refuse the vaccination will have to constantly be on the defensive about how they live a limited lifestyle. They will undoubtedly be alarmed if someone coughs around them or seems a bit feverish. Not a fun way to live.

My comment was directed at medical workers refusing the vaccine adding risk to their patients.

[coffeebean]

Keep in mind those who refuse the vaccine effectively have a 95% higher risk of transmitting disease.
BUT.......the scientists are still not sure if vaccinated people can still transmit the virus. This is the reason vaccinated people are told to continue to wear masks and social distance.

[coffeebean]

Only healthy people were recruited for CV-19 vaccine trials? Animal testing was halted because the animals were dying? Also, pharmaceutical companies are given immunity from any possible adverse side effects including death? I think I'll wait awhile longer.

You do that. Hope you stay well.

[coffeebean]

I agree that people should get their medical questions answered by Doctors, Nurse Practitioners or Physician Assistants and not the internet or You Tube. Medical providers go to college& med school for years, we spend time, years, training in hospitals, clinics & with Private physicians to learn all we can about providing medical care for our patients. When people believe their “internet education” over what we qualified providers know & have experience dealing with is an insult. There is so much misinformation out there. Talk with a qualified medical professional and get the true facts.

Unless you feel the people in the video in the OP lied about their credentials, why not listen to what they have to say?

[flflowers]

mRNA is not a protein. The active ingredient in the vaccine is not a protein. But please, do tell the story of how the protein in the vaccine (that's not there) is somehow the exact same protein that placentas are created from (and that's assuming placentas consist of just one protein, which is false).

BTW, if you're 65+ years old, and you're main concern is how the vaccine might affect the placenta in case of pregnancy, call me reckless, but I'm going to say go ahead and get that vaccine.
I apologize for misquoting....mRNA "blocks" the protein that helps formation of human placenta.....

[Bay Kid]

I only know one person that died from taking the vaccine. I don't know anyone that died from the virus.

[coffeebean]

I only know one person that died from taking the vaccine. I don't know anyone that died from the virus.

So sorry to hear that. I haven't read about any reported deaths directly attributed to the vaccine. Is this news that is being kept from the public?

[Mleechu333@gmail.com]

Ditto!
BTW, as of today, 2/17, is the Groveland vaccine site still giving second injections to first come, first serve patients?

[Bay Kid]

So sorry to hear that. I haven't read about any reported deaths directly attributed to the vaccine. Is this news that is being kept from the public?

It was sad but now they are trying to say he wasn't healthy. Go tell.

[coffeebean]

It was sad but now they are trying to say he wasn't healthy. Go tell.

It seems every death after a person was vaccinated that I have read about has had reports that the vaccine was not directly related to the death or that the people who died were very old and frail. What to believe???