Sheeple

[G.R.I.T.S.]

I had a nice, distanced chat with a lady while waiting in drive thru banking lanes at a local bank. We lamented the difficulty of being understood while wearing a mask. She was in a drive-thru bank lane...alone in her car...wearing a mask...talking to a bank employee via a video screen. She's had BOTH shots and was well past the two-week wait time. She said "you have to" continue wearing a mask. My question: what's the point of frantically finding where one can get a vaccine if we "have to" continue wearing a mask? I, for one, will NOT be wearing a mask once vaccinated and past the waiting period.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

These vaccines don't prevent you from contracting the virus. What they do is use you MRNA to prevent the virus from replicating itself in your body. The virus replicating is what makes you ill. The vaccine prevents you from getting seriously ill and dying. So you can still have the vaccine in your body and transmit it to others.

Since the point of wearing a mask is to prevent the wearer from spreading the virus, a mask is still necessary until everyone that wants to be vaccinated is vaccinated.

Those who refuse the vaccine are risking their lives so it's not the responsibility of every else to keep them safe once they've had the opportunity to get the shots.

[John_W]

...alone in her car...wearing a mask...talking to a bank employee via a video screen

What did she say when you asked, why are you wearing a mask alone in your car by yourself? Did you mention that the bank teller was inside the bank and not in the speaker.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

What did she say when you asked, why are you wearing a mask alone in your car by yourself? Did you mention that the bank teller was inside the bank and not in the speaker.

Merely an observation. I don't confront people regarding their actions. It's still a free (?) country. I merely wonder why the hoopla over a vaccine that purports to protect. She said you "have to" wear a mask. I will continue to do so until after I receive the shots.

[Marathon Man]

Merely an observation. I don't confront people regarding their actions. It's still a free (?) country. I merely wonder why the hoopla over a vaccine that purports to protect. She said you "have to" wear a mask. I will continue to do so until after I receive the shots.

Just call them "Sheeple".

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Merely an observation. I don't confront people regarding their actions. It's still a free (?) country. I merely wonder why the hoopla over a vaccine that purports to protect. She said you "have to" wear a mask. I will continue to do so until after I receive the shots.

You must not have read or understood my previous post so I'll say it differently. The vaccine protects you from getting sick. It doesn't prevent you from getting the virus. A mask prevents you from spreading the virus to others if you have it.

After you've had both shots, you can still contract the virus and you can still give it to others. That is why it's necessary to wear a mask.

Once everyone that wants the vaccine receives it, masks will not longer be necessary.

The vaccine protects you, your mask protects others.

[Mortal1]

unless you cough, sneeze or spit while you talk a mask isn't necessary. And if you do sneeze, cough or spit while you talk do it into your sleeve.

I wear a mask when a business home requests it...otherwise I don't wear one.

[billethkid]

Maybe it is a consideration that most of the population is still NOT vaccinated!!!
:shocked:

[Bilyclub]

We were at the Wesley Chapel Costco yesterday when a woman was not wearing a mask properly in that it was not over her nose. A employee asked her very nicely to wear the mask properly. The lady responded by taking the mask off completely and saying: "Why, does this bother you?" The employee walked away, but we later saw the customer wearing the mask the right way and she was being shadowed by a manager through the store. My feelings were she should have been asked to leave and escorted out, but at least Costco did something to enforce their rules, unlike a lot of stores around TV. A business has the right to set rules for their property and if you don't like them don't go in.

[Garywt]

My understanding is the population is to continue to wear a mask until at least 80% of the population has been vaccinated. In places many stores require a mask to get in the store and if you take it off you are asked to leave.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

You must not have read or understood my previous post so I'll say it differently. The vaccine protects you from getting sick. It doesn't prevent you from getting the virus. A mask prevents you from spreading the virus to others if you have it.

After you've had both shots, you can still contract the virus and you can still give it to others. That is why it's necessary to wear a mask.

Once everyone that wants the vaccine receives it, masks will not longer be necessary.

The vaccine protects you, your mask protects others.

You are correct. I don't understand and not embarrassed to admit it.

[Dayeight99]

The seasonal flu occurs every year. They are all contagious. Where were the masks then? Terrible flu season 2017/2018. No masks. Same 2015 and 2009/2010. No masks. What do you think the real reason is? Aren’t we able to take care of ourselves without government mandating our every move? Use God given common sense in your life. Unfortunately, the Lemmings and Sheople weren’t blessed with such.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The seasonal flu occurs every year. They are all contagious. Where were the masks then? Terrible flu season 2017/2018. No masks. Same 2015 and 2009/2010. No masks. What do you think the real reason is? Aren’t we able to take care of ourselves without government mandating our every move? Use God given common sense in your life. Unfortunately, the Lemmings and Sheople weren’t blessed with such.

I agree. That's why I don't stop at red lights, don't wear my seatbelt, I light up my cigarette wherever I damned well please, I cut in front of you in line (yeah, that's me, every single time), I cough out, why should I ruin my silk sleeved shirt when I can cough on YOUR shirt (or arm, woopsie!). If I need money, I just grab it from your pocket. If I need a place to sleep, I'll break into YOUR house, clock you over the head, and push you off the bed.

Because ain't no government gonna mandate MY every move, no sirree.

[Dayeight99]

Apples vs oranges, Lemming. Thanks for making my point.

[ruralgoddess]

Way to go being selfish and planning not to wear a mask after you're fully vaccinated... I hope people give you a wide berth...

[Pillowtalk]

I have a gentleman who lives in my neighborhood who was diagnosed with Covid and was in Sam’s Club three days after his diagnosis without a mask on. He refuses to wear a mask because it fogs his glasses. These are the type of people you have to worry about.....you are not really safe anywhere.
I will continue to wear a mask until it is safe for everyone (that want’s and is waiting for a vaccine). If people don’t want a vaccine that is their choice, but I will follow the science. These people that don’t care about other people are not only playing Russian Roulette with their lives but with innocents as well.

[sdeikenberry]

unless you cough, sneeze or spit while you talk a mask isn't necessary. And if you do sneeze, cough or spit while you talk do it into your sleeve.

I wear a mask when a business home requests it...otherwise I don't wear one.

Mortal1, you are mistaken. Droplets of moisture are expelled even when talking and breathing. Science my friend...science.

[Leadbone1]

I had a nice, distanced chat with a lady while waiting in drive thru banking lanes at a local bank. We lamented the difficulty of being understood while wearing a mask. She was in a drive-thru bank lane...alone in her car...wearing a mask...talking to a bank employee via a video screen. She's had BOTH shots and was well past the two-week wait time. She said "you have to" continue wearing a mask. My question: what's the point of frantically finding where one can get a vaccine if we "have to" continue wearing a mask? I, for one, will NOT be wearing a mask once vaccinated and past the waiting period.

Right with you on this. First of all I don’t wear a mask hardly ever now. I have had the first shot of the vaccine and getting the second next month. At that point in time I will not be wearing a mask. If someone wants to try to kick me out of a store they’re going to have a problem. It is not a law and people need to stop acting like it is. The degree of paranoid that exist among so many people Is alarming

[bd20166]

welcome to the light

[Tmarkwald]

Right with you on this. First of all I don’t wear a mask hardly ever now. I have had the first shot of the vaccine and getting the second next month. At that point in time I will not be wearing a mask. If someone wants to try to kick me out of a store they’re going to have a problem. It is not a law and people need to stop acting like it is. The degree of paranoid that exist among so many people Is alarming

Any business has the right to refuse service and ask you to leave. Masks are mandatory but you cannot be fined in Florida.

Of more concern is the effect on others and the fact that you can still carry the virus to others, yet not have the virus yourself. I think you will get a lot of pushback on this.

Not up to any of us to regulate what other's do, however protecting our fellow man should still be a concern since the mask is not designed to protect you, but rather to protect others.

[tsmall22204]

After vaccination, you can still carry the virus in you nasal passages to others. Masks must continue until a level of immunity is reached. She was wearing the mask to protect others.

[banjobob]

Great comment I agree wholeheartedly. The mask issue is lame if you are vaccinated immunity and otherwise healthy, those with health issues protect yourself but don’t expect the world to conform.

[Tmarkwald]

Once the vaccine is widely available and anyone can get it, we can remove the masks.

There is no reason at all to protect those who refuse to get the vaccine. That is a conscience decision to put their lives at risk.

The rest of humanity doesn't exist to protect those who refuse to protect themselves.

[maggie1]

Right with you on this. First of all I don’t wear a mask hardly ever now. I have had the first shot of the vaccine and getting the second next month. At that point in time I will not be wearing a mask. If someone wants to try to kick me out of a store they’re going to have a problem. It is not a law and people need to stop acting like it is. The degree of paranoid that exist among so many people Is alarming

Unless you're wearing a sign on your chest that reads "I've had my vaccine"., I'll bet people give you a wide birth when they see that you aren't wearing a mask. I believe any business has a right to establish rules for the safety of their customers and wearing a mask during these turbulent times is for the protection of others. How about the "No shirt, no shoes, no service" sign, would you take issue with that? Personally, I would feel a lot better if everyone wore a mask, at least it shows me they care about someone other than themselves.

[Cobullymom]

What did she say when you asked, why are you wearing a mask alone in your car by yourself? Did you mention that the bank teller was inside the bank and not in the speaker.
Thank you, that’s what was more concerning....

[Cobullymom]

After vaccination, you can still carry the virus in you nasal passages to others. Masks must continue until a level of immunity is reached. She was wearing the mask to protect others.
Her car?

[golfing eagles]

These vaccines don't prevent you from contracting the virus. What they do is use you MRNA to prevent the virus from replicating itself in your body. The virus replicating is what makes you ill. The vaccine prevents you from getting seriously ill and dying. So you can still have the vaccine in your body and transmit it to others.

Since the point of wearing a mask is to prevent the wearer from spreading the virus, a mask is still necessary until everyone that wants to be vaccinated is vaccinated.

Those who refuse the vaccine are risking their lives so it's not the responsibility of every else to keep them safe once they've had the opportunity to get the shots.

Legitimate source???

[RDhot]

There is no need to ever wear a mask alone in your car talking to a bank teller through the drive-through. You, for one, should continue to wear your mask after vaccination because you still may be able to transmit disease. Be part of the solution. Don’t be continuing the problem

[RDhot]

Wrong as usual. Talking alone could potentially spread the virus. Continue to be part of the problem though

[RDhot]

Great way to be part of the problem. It’s the people like you… And, any store can make a rule that you have to follow to enter their business. You don’t like it? Go somewhere else. You’re the one with the problem

[merrymini]

I love seeing people wear a mask, while in their vehicle, alone. Protecting their steering wheel?

[Eg_cruz]

I had a nice, distanced chat with a lady while waiting in drive thru banking lanes at a local bank. We lamented the difficulty of being understood while wearing a mask. She was in a drive-thru bank lane...alone in her car...wearing a mask...talking to a bank employee via a video screen. She's had BOTH shots and was well past the two-week wait time. She said "you have to" continue wearing a mask. My question: what's the point of frantically finding where one can get a vaccine if we "have to" continue wearing a mask? I, for one, will NOT be wearing a mask once vaccinated and past the waiting period.
Please research you are not 100% protected from the virus.....YES you can still get Covid after vaccine....YES there are many different strain and variants not protected by the vaccine. YES you can still be a carrier and give someone else the virus.

[JustRita]

When people live in fear, they stop thinking for themselves. They will follow any leader they find no matter where they are going. That’s what scares me.

[Girlcopper]

I had a nice, distanced chat with a lady while waiting in drive thru banking lanes at a local bank. We lamented the difficulty of being understood while wearing a mask. She was in a drive-thru bank lane...alone in her car...wearing a mask...talking to a bank employee via a video screen. She's had BOTH shots and was well past the two-week wait time. She said "you have to" continue wearing a mask. My question: what's the point of frantically finding where one can get a vaccine if we "have to" continue wearing a mask? I, for one, will NOT be wearing a mask once vaccinated and past the waiting period.
Yes, you will be wearing a mask in any place that mandates it. No one ever said the mask comes off once the shot goes in. Apples n oranges when you say why get the vaccine if you still need to wear a mask. One has nothing to do with another.

[Rosie1950]

Right with you on this. First of all I don’t wear a mask hardly ever now. I have had the first shot of the vaccine and getting the second next month. At that point in time I will not be wearing a mask. If someone wants to try to kick me out of a store they’re going to have a problem. It is not a law and people need to stop acting like it is. The degree of paranoid that exist among so many people Is alarming

So if the sign on the door says shirt and shoes required to enter OR no receipts no returns, or any other store policy posted, am I under the impression YOU are King and can decide what store policy you think could possibly pertain to YOU?
Disorderly conduct is an arrest-able offense. Love to be a witness to that big shot.

[Villages Kahuna]

You can still contact the virus and pass it on to others. Then there’s the new variants of the virus about which little is known.

Please, please be considerate of others who may not have been vaccinated. You can get the virus and infect others like me and my wife. Our doctor tells us that with our medical situation infection will have serious results, possibly even a lethal outcome.

[ladyarwen3]

Why are we calling people names? I grew out of that in grade school

[Buckeye Bleau]

The purpose of the mask is primarily a social function for a start to your programming.
In the 1930’s the Japanese knew that one could not successfully invade America, too many home defenders.
The Chinese have said that America needs to be disarmed.
Disarming America when we stand together would be very difficult. Like the story of breaking one twig versus a bundle, divided we fall.
The mask is a symbol in your mind that you cannot trust the other person. This has an impact, don’t roll your eyes.
If you begin distrusting your neighbor and coworker then you will understand when someone rolls up and takes their property.
Maybe you go along with a rumor that they need reprogramming. Maybe you don’t trust them and you get in a dispute, so you turn them in.
The mask is about programming, not the pathogen.
Obey your new Chinese Overlords and wear that mask!

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

unless you cough, sneeze or spit while you talk a mask isn't necessary. And if you do sneeze, cough or spit while you talk do it into your sleeve.

I wear a mask when a business home requests it...otherwise I don't wear one.

Me, too - I do (and have no problem with having to) wear a mask and distance when required.

Otherwise - ANYONE in my home, car or yard is not required to wear a mask or distance. If they wish to - that is ok w/me.

And folks —— there is so much data (that is not governed or standardized in a consistent manner), so many experts and governing bodies - with different numbers, changing recommendations, etc... ... yada yada yada ... But, still feel free to post until you are ‘blue in the face’ .... you are not changing anyone’s mind ..... and someone will *always* be able to find a reliable resource that supports another view - always!

If you want this to consume the short time you have left on this earth - fine, your choice. I choose to live!!! I choose to spend time with friends & family and enjoy living! Because when I take my last breath - I know I will regret it, if I do not.

[Cheryl Barrios]

I agree. That's why I don't stop at red lights, don't wear my seatbelt, I light up my cigarette wherever I damned well please, I cut in front of you in line (yeah, that's me, every single time), I cough out, why should I ruin my silk sleeved shirt when I can cough on YOUR shirt (or arm, woopsie!). If I need money, I just grab it from your pocket. If I need a place to sleep, I'll break into YOUR house, clock you over the head, and push you off the bed.

Because ain't no government gonna mandate MY every move, no sirree.

I know you are saying this in jest simply to try to ridicule the poster who you included in your response. However, with that said, your behavior will probably cause you severe harm if not death too. Especially when you break into someone's house.

[Tmarkwald]

Legitimate source???

Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov %2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fvaccines%2Fvaccine-benefits%2Ffacts.html)

[Spalumbos62]

The seasonal flu occurs every year. They are all contagious. Where were the masks then? Terrible flu season 2017/2018. No masks. Same 2015 and 2009/2010. No masks. What do you think the real reason is? Aren’t we able to take care of ourselves without government mandating our every move? Use God given common sense in your life. Unfortunately, the Lemmings and Sheople weren’t blessed with such.


You make no sense and being rude isn't necessary! Please use your God given sense....2020 we have to wear masks...no flu...isn't that amazing. I know you think it's all about you...but its not.
Getting the shot gives you protection...wearing mask is prevention for others...ie; your grand children, your friends, your spouse...you know..the people you supposedly love.

[RoadToad]

unless you cough, sneeze or spit while you talk a mask isn't necessary. And if you do sneeze, cough or spit while you talk do it into your sleeve.

I wear a mask when a business home requests it...otherwise I don't wear one.

What about spittle particles ejected from their mouths as they speak?

You know, the little "spits" from english phonics.

Masking seems prudent to me.

[RICH1]

Well stated ! You are spot on and factually correct 100 percent! Thank you for posting this!

[RICH1]

These vaccines don't prevent you from contracting the virus. What they do is use you MRNA to prevent the virus from replicating itself in your body. The virus replicating is what makes you ill. The vaccine prevents you from getting seriously ill and dying. So you can still have the vaccine in your body and transmit it to others.

Since the point of wearing a mask is to prevent the wearer from spreading the virus, a mask is still necessary until everyone that wants to be vaccinated is vaccinated.

Those who refuse the vaccine are risking their lives so it's not the responsibility of every else to keep them safe once they've had the opportunity to get the shots.
You are spot on sir! Thank you for posting Facts !

[Serendipatti]

Because you still have a 5% or greater chance of still carrying and shedding the virus and passing it on to others who haven't been vaccinated or had the virus and have an immunity. The vaccine does not stop you from getting the virus, it just stops you from getting sick and/or dying from it. You need to keep wearing it until everyone who wants one has been vaccinated or that there's proof of herd immunity.

[DAVES]

I had a nice, distanced chat with a lady while waiting in drive thru banking lanes at a local bank. We lamented the difficulty of being understood while wearing a mask. She was in a drive-thru bank lane...alone in her car...wearing a mask...talking to a bank employee via a video screen. She's had BOTH shots and was well past the two-week wait time. She said "you have to" continue wearing a mask. My question: what's the point of frantically finding where one can get a vaccine if we "have to" continue wearing a mask? I, for one, will NOT be wearing a mask once vaccinated and past the waiting period.

Re: covid 19
We are dealing with a new situation. The book is a new one being written now.
Answers are basically opinions. It is not big deal to wear a mask unless we choose to make it one. Far as being vaccinated and then not needing to wear a mask. First of all it is not proven that people who have had the vaccine cannot spread covid 19. Also,
would we find random stops to show your papers acceptable. Perhaps when you go to a store etc. It is just an easy solution to a messy problem.

[Serendipatti]

You're right, 2017-2018 was a horrible year for flu deaths in the US but the number was 61,000 in comparison to the almost 500,000 SO FAR in the US for Covid-19 deaths. NO comparison.

[Rosebud1949]

I agree. That's why I don't stop at red lights, don't wear my seatbelt, I light up my cigarette wherever I damned well please, I cut in front of you in line (yeah, that's me, every single time), I cough out, why should I ruin my silk sleeved shirt when I can cough on YOUR shirt (or arm, woopsie!). If I need money, I just grab it from your pocket. If I need a place to sleep, I'll break into YOUR house, clock you over the head, and push you off the bed.

Because ain't no government gonna mandate MY every move, no sirree.

This is the USA 2021 FOLKS READ IT AND WEEP. i WILL DO NOTHING FOR MY COUNTRY

[golfing eagles]

You're right, 2017-2018 was a horrible year for flu deaths in the US but the number was 61,000 in comparison to the almost 500,000 SO FAR in the US for Covid-19 deaths. NO comparison.

Unfortunately, there is no comparison in how the cause of death is reported.

In 30+ years of practice, I never once signed a death certificate with "Influenza" listed as the cause, and neither did most doctors.

Now, there is a financial incentive to list COVID on the DC and on hospital bills.

So, I wonder how many fewer "COVID" deaths we would have if they were counted the way we traditionally count influenza deaths, and how many more influenza deaths if there were the same financial incentive for the influenza diagnosis. A hint of this lies in the almost ridiculous low number of influenza cases this year. (and NO, it's not because people are wearing a mask)

[golfing eagles]

Re: covid 19
We are dealing with a new situation. The book is a new one being written now.
Answers are basically opinions. It is not big deal to wear a mask unless we choose to make it one. Far as being vaccinated and then not needing to wear a mask. First of all it is not proven that people who have had the vaccine cannot spread covid 19. Also,
would we find random stops to show your papers acceptable. Perhaps when you go to a store etc. It is just an easy solution to a messy problem.

As in Checkpoint Charlie?????? Maybe we can find some very old Gestapo officers hiding in Paraguay to man them, maybe some skinhead Nazis.. Heil!

Amazing how quickly some people want to give up their freedoms due paranoia

[golfing eagles]

Because you still have a 5% or greater chance of still carrying and shedding the virus and passing it on to others who haven't been vaccinated or had the virus and have an immunity. The vaccine does not stop you from getting the virus, it just stops you from getting sick and/or dying from it. You need to keep wearing it until everyone who wants one has been vaccinated or that there's proof of herd immunity.

That line just keeps getting repeated and repeated on TOTV. I've challenged those that are repeating it to name a source---and guess what---zero, nada, zippo. What the article that they are distorting actually said is that it is unknown whether the vaccine prevents the nose and throat from harboring the virus, so more study is needed.. BIG DIFFERENCE THERE

[allenpegg1@gmail.com]

But why wear a mask if you're alone in a car ANYTIME - or if you're speaking to a bank teller behind a full glass partition thru a speaker?

[golfing eagles]

But why wear a mask if you're alone in a car ANYTIME - or if you're speaking to a bank teller behind a full glass partition thru a speaker?

Paranoia. Terror. Ignorance. Sub-normal intelligence. Brainwashed by media.

Take your pick. Last time this question was posted there were a ton of lame excuses that all started with "I'm not afraid, but....." In reality, they are all afraid. And that's OK, do what you want to feel safe. But you are deluding yourself if you think wearing a mask in your car does anything to prevent COVID. And you are even more delusional if you are denying your fear.

[GPGuar]

After vaccination, you can still carry the virus in you nasal passages to others. Masks must continue until a level of immunity is reached. She was wearing the mask to protect others.

Who the heck was she protecting if she's alone in her car with no one around her? At some point it just gets a little silly!:1rotfl:

[mneumann02]

unless you cough, sneeze or spit while you talk a mask isn't necessary. And if you do sneeze, cough or spit while you talk do it into your sleeve.

I wear a mask when a business home requests it...otherwise I don't wear one.

I realize pointing out your statement is incorrect will do no good, but here goes anyway. Post #6 briefly explains the science behind wearing a mask. In addition, CDC, WHO and numerous other health organizations have documented cases of the virus being transmitted by talking, talking loudly and singing.

[Joorn59]

I believe I will wear a mask at the market and other enclosed places. I’ve not only not gotten COVID but also haven’t had any colds, the flu.

[GPGuar]

Unfortunately, there is no comparison in how the cause of death is reported.

In 30+ years of practice, I never once signed a death certificate with "Influenza" listed as the cause, and neither did most doctors.

Now, there is a financial incentive to list COVID on the DC and on hospital bills.

So, I wonder how many fewer "COVID" deaths we would have if they were counted the way we traditionally count influenza deaths, and how many more influenza deaths if there were the same financial incentive for the influenza diagnosis. A hint of this lies in the almost ridiculous low number of influenza cases this year. (and NO, it's not because people are wearing a mask)
:bigbow:

[stebooo]

Don't forget your dog poops in my yard only once

[graciegirl]

Unfortunately, there is no comparison in how the cause of death is reported.

In 30+ years of practice, I never once signed a death certificate with "Influenza" listed as the cause, and neither did most doctors.

Now, there is a financial incentive to list COVID on the DC and on hospital bills.

So, I wonder how many fewer "COVID" deaths we would have if they were counted the way we traditionally count influenza deaths, and how many more influenza deaths if there were the same financial incentive for the influenza diagnosis. A hint of this lies in the almost ridiculous low number of influenza cases this year. (and NO, it's not because people are wearing a mask)

What "financial incentive" are you speaking of and paid to who for what???

[golfing eagles]

What "financial incentive" are you speaking of and paid to who for what???

When hospitals bill the third party payers, your stay has to fit into one of hundreds of DRG's (Diagnostic Related Groups), which in turn determines reimbursement. Attending physicians are asked to put down every diagnosis their patient had, then specialized "coders" arrange them in the order that gleans the most dollars. The primary reason for the hospital stay should be listed first, but these people take a lot of "poetic license" The last I talked to my ex-partners, adding COVID to the list of diagnoses was worth an additional $13,000 to the hospital, and that's a medium size hospital in Central NY, so probably more in a big city hospital where the reimbursement for each DRG is higher due to higher overhead costs. So the short answer to your question is paid by insurers or Medicare to hospitals for listing COVID as a diagnosis.
There is an anecdote circulating in the medical community that a young victim of a fatal motorcycle crash was brought to the hospital DOA. They tested the corpse for COVID and then put that as a diagnosis. True or not, I have no idea, but certainly not outside the realm of possibility. My daughter in law got sick just 3 days ago with abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea, possible bleeding and a BP of 60/20. The first thing Wake Forrest medical did was test for COVID!!! What a joke!!! there are a lot of things I would like to know from lab testing in this case, but COVID status is not at the top of the list. But it's clear that it's worthwhile for them to test EVERYONE that comes to the hospital, and it is not solely to isolate the positive patients

[Byte1]

The woman wishes to wear a mask alone in her car and talk through it to a person dozens of feet away, behind a protective window. I am surprised that she is able to leave her home. I wonder if she wears a mask when talking on the phone.

For those that suggest that one must wear the mask after waiting the prescribed time after receiving the second dose, I'm sorry but in my case, I have no plan to continue to wear a mask after the shots. If the vaccine is not good enough to protect me from the virus, then I don't see why I even got it to begin with.
I read a study conducted by the Israelis that is still on-going for an undetermined time, that indicates (so far) that vaccinated subjects did NOT carry or transmit the virus to others. I prefer to believe their study and adjust my actions accordingly. If I am not able to transmit the virus to others once I am vaccinated, I see no reason to continue to wear the mask just because it makes others feel more secure. On the other hand, if you feel that you might transmit the invisible demon virus to others, than by all means continue to wear your safety diaper. I am not going to tell anyone that wishes to be safe to ignore their worries.
I have thought of having a T shirt made up that says "Have shots, but stay 6ft away anyway." The Israeli study seems to indicate that once a virus spore is inhaled into the vaccinated system, it is attacked and destroyed. Thus, one is unable to transmit it to others. Some wish to think that the vaccination makes your infection less serious, but that you still get sick. I prefer to think that if I go to trouble of getting vaccinated, that I will be inoculated against COVID. If it turns out that like the ever persistent FLU, that it does not protect one against infection, then I will not get any boosters in the future, if offered. I see no reason to have foreign matter injected into me for a half-@ssed effort to reduce the effects of the virus. Now, that's just my opinion and I have no wish to influence anyone else's decision to get the vaccine. Like I said, I am waiting for my second dose. If I am wrong, then I have only lost a few hours to the effort of obtaining the vaccination.

Be careful, stay safe and enjoy life. You only get one ride so make it a fun one.

[Byte1]

So if the sign on the door says shirt and shoes required to enter OR no receipts no returns, or any other store policy posted, am I under the impression YOU are King and can decide what store policy you think could possibly pertain to YOU?
Disorderly conduct is an arrest-able offense. Love to be a witness to that big shot.

I do not know of any store that displays the sign that enforces it. When I shop, I always see folks without masks, and they pay at the register without anyone commenting on their lack of mask. Sorry, but there will be less and less folks wearing a mask now that there is a vaccination, whether or not they get it. Personally, I do not make it my problem that they are not wearing a mask.

[Byte1]

What about spittle particles ejected from their mouths as they speak?

You know, the little "spits" from english phonics.

Masking seems prudent to me.

Have you always worn a mask? If not, why? Give people some space if you fear their germs. I don't like folks in my face either, but I am not going to wear a mask unless a business requests it. And then, I may still consider it depending on whether or not I have one available. Once I have the vaccination, I will consider myself "safe." At least, until someone proves otherwise. If I believed otherwise, I would not have bothered with the shots.

[Byte1]

Yes, you will be wearing a mask in any place that mandates it. No one ever said the mask comes off once the shot goes in. Apples n oranges when you say why get the vaccine if you still need to wear a mask. One has nothing to do with another.

I disagree. It IS related. We have never had a time where we were told to wear a mask in a store, until now. Once vaccinated, I will no longer wear a mask in a store unless requested. And then, still maybe not. No one is enforcing it. Why in the world would I wear a mask if I felt there was proof that I am safe from harming others? I have no intention of contributing to the idea of mandated mask wearing in America.

[jimjamuser]

I had a nice, distanced chat with a lady while waiting in drive thru banking lanes at a local bank. We lamented the difficulty of being understood while wearing a mask. She was in a drive-thru bank lane...alone in her car...wearing a mask...talking to a bank employee via a video screen. She's had BOTH shots and was well past the two-week wait time. She said "you have to" continue wearing a mask. My question: what's the point of frantically finding where one can get a vaccine if we "have to" continue wearing a mask? I, for one, will NOT be wearing a mask once vaccinated and past the waiting period.
That 'FRONTIER MENTALITY' is what got us (the US) in this dilemma in the 1st place. Your government started letting you down about this time (Feb) last year. You paid taxes, but were let down to the tune of about 150,000 deaths and similar hospitalizations and cases. Your taxpayer-funded CDC will tell you when the time to stop wearing masks and distancing and indoor activities should begin. Trust the SCIENCE!

You would NOT or should NOT leave a bomb shelter until you hear the ALL CLEAR signal. The VIRUS is mutating as we read this and may determine our behavior more the vaccine, which MAY (?) be wasted in people's bloodstream. We don't know - until we KNOW for sure!

[jimjamuser]

What did she say when you asked, why are you wearing a mask alone in your car by yourself? Did you mention that the bank teller was inside the bank and not in the speaker.
That is neither humorous nor informative!

[Kenswing]

That is neither humorous nor informative!
Kind of like 98% of your posts.. :1rotfl:

[jimjamuser]

I agree. That's why I don't stop at red lights, don't wear my seatbelt, I light up my cigarette wherever I damned well please, I cut in front of you in line (yeah, that's me, every single time), I cough out, why should I ruin my silk sleeved shirt when I can cough on YOUR shirt (or arm, woopsie!). If I need money, I just grab it from your pocket. If I need a place to sleep, I'll break into YOUR house, clock you over the head, and push you off the bed.

Because ain't no government gonna mandate MY every move, no sirree.
Good logic as to why the frontier mentality needs to be left behind on old John Wayne movies. Not applicable to modern, REAL, interconnected social life.

[jimjamuser]

Great comment I agree wholeheartedly. The mask issue is lame if you are vaccinated immunity and otherwise healthy, those with health issues protect yourself but don’t expect the world to conform.
Conforming may require laws - like seat belt laws.

[jimjamuser]

Unless you're wearing a sign on your chest that reads "I've had my vaccine"., I'll bet people give you a wide birth when they see that you aren't wearing a mask. I believe any business has a right to establish rules for the safety of their customers and wearing a mask during these turbulent times is for the protection of others. How about the "No shirt, no shoes, no service" sign, would you take issue with that? Personally, I would feel a lot better if everyone wore a mask, at least it shows me they care about someone other than themselves.
There is a certain love of humanity shown by the mask-wearers. Just ask yourself, Would Jesus wear a mask?

[jimjamuser]

You can still contact the virus and pass it on to others. Then there’s the new variants of the virus about which little is known.

Please, please be considerate of others who may not have been vaccinated. You can get the virus and infect others like me and my wife. Our doctor tells us that with our medical situation infection will have serious results, possibly even a lethal outcome.
I hope that you and yours make it through this Pandemic - your posts are among the MOST thoughtful!

[jimjamuser]

Why are we calling people names? I grew out of that in grade school
It became sanctioned by our behavior-modeling leaders about 5 years ago - I noticed!

[jimjamuser]

The purpose of the mask is primarily a social function for a start to your programming.
In the 1930’s the Japanese knew that one could not successfully invade America, too many home defenders.
The Chinese have said that America needs to be disarmed.
Disarming America when we stand together would be very difficult. Like the story of breaking one twig versus a bundle, divided we fall.
The mask is a symbol in your mind that you cannot trust the other person. This has an impact, don’t roll your eyes.
If you begin distrusting your neighbor and coworker then you will understand when someone rolls up and takes their property.
Maybe you go along with a rumor that they need reprogramming. Maybe you don’t trust them and you get in a dispute, so you turn them in.
The mask is about programming, not the pathogen.
Obey your new Chinese Overlords and wear that mask!
Incredibly strange logic - to twist mask-wearing into a Communist plot! I am in awe with the darkness of it.

[graciegirl]

There is a certain love of humanity shown by the mask-wearers. Just ask yourself, Would Jesus wear a mask?

Whether or not you have a religious connection...that isn't funny or even witty.

[jimjamuser]

Unfortunately, there is no comparison in how the cause of death is reported.

In 30+ years of practice, I never once signed a death certificate with "Influenza" listed as the cause, and neither did most doctors.

Now, there is a financial incentive to list COVID on the DC and on hospital bills.

So, I wonder how many fewer "COVID" deaths we would have if they were counted the way we traditionally count influenza deaths, and how many more influenza deaths if there were the same financial incentive for the influenza diagnosis. A hint of this lies in the almost ridiculous low number of influenza cases this year. (and NO, it's not because people are wearing a mask)
Everybody knows that Australia studied why the Flu was about non-existent in their country. Their conclusion was that it was due to wearing masks against CV. Just Google it. It is the same for other countries.

[jimjamuser]

That line just keeps getting repeated and repeated on TOTV. I've challenged those that are repeating it to name a source---and guess what---zero, nada, zippo. What the article that they are distorting actually said is that it is unknown whether the vaccine prevents the nose and throat from harboring the virus, so more study is needed.. BIG DIFFERENCE THERE
The US government is NOT giving vaccine shots away for just a whim. Phizer and Moderna studied it and submitted the results - which were YES, they do prevent hospitalizations and DEATH. Your death is prevented as society moves toward herd-immunity. You want that. What more do you expect - a lifetime supply of 9 irons in addition to a FREE ticket to LIFE.

[jimjamuser]

Paranoia. Terror. Ignorance. Sub-normal intelligence. Brainwashed by media.

Take your pick. Last time this question was posted there were a ton of lame excuses that all started with "I'm not afraid, but....." In reality, they are all afraid. And that's OK, do what you want to feel safe. But you are deluding yourself if you think wearing a mask in your car does anything to prevent COVID. And you are even more delusional if you are denying your fear.
Yes, and I despise all the "delusional" name calling!

[jimjamuser]

Don't forget your dog poops in my yard only once
I hope that that made sense to someone?

[Aloha1]

I guess jimmyjam's drive by posting is done for the day. Thanks for playing.

[golfing eagles]

I guess jimmyjam's drive by posting is done for the day. Thanks for playing.

Yes, and he left a trail of triple bogeys in his wake. I hope someday he gets something right. He's bound to , if only by random chance. I won't bother refuting his nonsense point by point today.

[jimjamuser]

When hospitals bill the third party payers, your stay has to fit into one of hundreds of DRG's (Diagnostic Related Groups), which in turn determines reimbursement. Attending physicians are asked to put down every diagnosis their patient had, then specialized "coders" arrange them in the order that gleans the most dollars. The primary reason for the hospital stay should be listed first, but these people take a lot of "poetic license" The last I talked to my ex-partners, adding COVID to the list of diagnoses was worth an additional $13,000 to the hospital, and that's a medium size hospital in Central NY, so probably more in a big city hospital where the reimbursement for each DRG is higher due to higher overhead costs. So the short answer to your question is paid by insurers or Medicare to hospitals for listing COVID as a diagnosis.
There is an anecdote circulating in the medical community that a young victim of a fatal motorcycle crash was brought to the hospital DOA. They tested the corpse for COVID and then put that as a diagnosis. True or not, I have no idea, but certainly not outside the realm of possibility. My daughter in law got sick just 3 days ago with abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea, possible bleeding and a BP of 60/20. The first thing Wake Forrest medical did was test for COVID!!! What a joke!!! there are a lot of things I would like to know from lab testing in this case, but COVID status is not at the top of the list. But it's clear that it's worthwhile for them to test EVERYONE that comes to the hospital, and it is not solely to isolate the positive patients
And it is "CLEAR" to me that the Hospital did the RIGHT / CORRECT thing to test for CV. I hope that they would since we are in a WORLDWIDE pandemic and people in the US are the #1 spreaders of the disease. A more infectious and deadly variant has taken hold all over the US, so only by testing can Scientists do contact tracing and mapping to stop it. It is a NEW world for DOCTORS after CV and MOST (?) will want to embrace all the knowledge and statistics that they can find and create. Why complain when Science moves on? Plus for the most cynical of reasons - hospitals do NOT want to be sued for misdiagnosing a patient that has CV symptoms. That would be bad for ALL Doctors' reputations. We would NOT want that? would we?

[jimjamuser]

I disagree. It IS related. We have never had a time where we were told to wear a mask in a store, until now. Once vaccinated, I will no longer wear a mask in a store unless requested. And then, still maybe not. No one is enforcing it. Why in the world would I wear a mask if I felt there was proof that I am safe from harming others? I have no intention of contributing to the idea of mandated mask wearing in America.
The proof of "not harming others" is NOT fully researched yet. I have heard research that says a fully vaccinated person can still spread it to others. More study is needed by everyone. You may WANT to believe something, but that does NOT make it true!

[jimjamuser]

Kind of like 98% of your posts.. :1rotfl:
Thank you!

[Byte1]

Yes, and he left a trail of triple bogeys in his wake. I hope someday he gets something right. He's bound to , if only by random chance. I won't bother refuting his nonsense point by point today.

More like a trail of a dog with the runs. :doggie:

[jimjamuser]

Whether or not you have a religious connection...that isn't funny or even witty.
I AM connected directly to the BIG man/woman in the sky. Thank you for noticing!

[jimjamuser]

I guess jimmyjam's drive by posting is done for the day. Thanks for playing.
The day is not YET over Grasshopper. Thank you for noticing!

[jimjamuser]

Yes, and he left a trail of triple bogeys in his wake. I hope someday he gets something right. He's bound to , if only by random chance. I won't bother refuting his nonsense point by point today.
Another day, another refute.

[Byte1]

Solution:
They have about perfected an instant COVID test that will be sold over the counter. If you want proof that I am safe, hand me one of those and I will gladly indulge you for a minute before advising you to mind your own business and to social distance somewhere else. I am an Independent and thus, need no gov nanny or little tattletalers interfering in my business. If that excites you, then I suggest retiring to your safe room with all your little stuffed animals. About the only reaction to someone that I do not know falling ill is "that's a shame." If I am not infected, then I have no need to satisfy some weak minded and dependent whiner's whims. You should assume that a person that is out and about is safe, not infected. There is no reason to believe that everyone you see is infected. If my rather blunt nature bothers you, then that is totally on you.

And a little side note to unnamed poster that insisted on using "what would Jesus do?" Jesus would not be wearing a mask. He would be healing the BELIEVERS. I might also mention that believers are quoted in the Bible as being able to handle poisonous serpents and drink poison and survive. Best not to attempt to use someone's beliefs to win at a discussion. No matter how you frame your response, you can be right or you can be wrong. We are expressing our opinions.

[golfing eagles]

Another day, another refute.

Didn't even break a sweat, child's play!

[Byte1]

The proof of "not harming others" is NOT fully researched yet. I have heard research that says a fully vaccinated person can still spread it to others. More study is needed by everyone. You may WANT to believe something, but that does NOT make it true!

Works the other way around also. I believe what I know is true, therefore I will act according. If anyone has a problem with that, they can complain to someone that might give a ------------ (you can fill in the blank). Like I said, someone's theory does not make it true. I would rather go on years of testing, than some political medical expert's OPINION or guess. Just because he has no studies to prove his theory does not make someone else's experience and years of testing wrong.

My T shirt will say "VACCINATED, but still stay away from me." Not my fault if you violate my personal space and find out that you are right and I am wrong. It will all be on you. Consider it a "No Trespassing" sign.

Don't think that my kind and giving nature means that I am a door mat.

[golfing eagles]

And it is "CLEAR" to me that the Hospital did the RIGHT / CORRECT thing to test for CV. I hope that they would since we are in a WORLDWIDE pandemic and people in the US are the #1 spreaders of the disease. A more infectious and deadly variant has taken hold all over the US, so only by testing can Scientists do contact tracing and mapping to stop it. It is a NEW world for DOCTORS after CV and MOST (?) will want to embrace all the knowledge and statistics that they can find and create. Why complain when Science moves on? Plus for the most cynical of reasons - hospitals do NOT want to be sued for misdiagnosing a patient that has CV symptoms. That would be bad for ALL Doctors' reputations. We would NOT want that? would we?

1) Priorities, priorities. You don't stick your head out the window to check the weather after the tornado hits. It's fine to test for COVID, but not while a patient may be bleeding out

2) How many hospitals have you run??? Since I only ran one, you may have me beat:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[coffeebean]

I have a gentleman who lives in my neighborhood who was diagnosed with Covid and was in Sam’s Club three days after his diagnosis without a mask on. He refuses to wear a mask because it fogs his glasses. These are the type of people you have to worry about.....you are not really safe anywhere.
I will continue to wear a mask until it is safe for everyone (that want’s and is waiting for a vaccine). If people don’t want a vaccine that is their choice, but I will follow the science. These people that don’t care about other people are not only playing Russian Roulette with their lives but with innocents as well.

Did Sam's Club allow this guy to remain in the store without a mask? They should have escorted him out if he refused to wear a mask.

[golfing eagles]

Did Sam's Club allow this guy to remain in the store without a mask? They should have escorted him out if he refused to wear a mask.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

[coffeebean]

Mortal1, you are mistaken. Droplets of moisture are expelled even when talking and breathing. Science my friend...science.

Very true. You can see your "breath" when in a cold climate. You can not see your breath in a warm climate but it is there, just like in a cold climate. That is really the easiest way to explain to anyone who can not grasp the concept.

[coffeebean]

Right with you on this. First of all I don’t wear a mask hardly ever now. I have had the first shot of the vaccine and getting the second next month. At that point in time I will not be wearing a mask. If someone wants to try to kick me out of a store they’re going to have a problem. It is not a law and people need to stop acting like it is. The degree of paranoid that exist among so many people Is alarming

But......if the store has a policy that they want their patrons to wear masks, then it is their right to ask you to leave. Their property, their rules.

[coffeebean]

Once the vaccine is widely available and anyone can get it, we can remove the masks.

There is no reason at all to protect those who refuse to get the vaccine. That is a conscience decision to put their lives at risk.

The rest of humanity doesn't exist to protect those who refuse to protect themselves.

I agree with this POV. I refuse to protect an anti-vaxxer by having to wear a mask. It is their choice not to be vaccinated and at any given point in time that the vaccine is available to anyone who wants the vaccine, that is when my mask comes off for good.

To those who can not be vaccinated for a medical issue, I feel it is up to the individual at that point to protect themselves when out and about in public. That is when N95 masks should be used for protection of the wearer. Also, those who can not be vaccinated for medical issues should be responsible for themselves to keep their distance from others. If not going to crowded events, then that is what they must do to protect themselves.

Call me selfish if you feel I'm selfish. All I can say is I have adhered 100% to CDC guidelines ever since this pandemic began and I look forward to going through life without having to cover my face and socially distance from others. That time is not here yet but I will wait patiently to hear from our experts when that time is here.

[stanley]

I AM connected directly to the BIG man/woman in the sky. Thank you for noticing!

Right...............this coming from a person that at one time called ALL of the lawn care people here "low life scum", "crack heads" "theifs" "losers that can't do anything else"................What would Jesus say to that?
That post, along with the replies were deleted after you got crap for that generalization. I wish it was still accessible, it was a doozie!
You are a hypocrite, plain and simple.

[coffeebean]

Please research you are not 100% protected from the virus.....YES you can still get Covid after vaccine....YES there are many different strain and variants not protected by the vaccine. YES you can still be a carrier and give someone else the virus.

Not according to this news report. And.....there are others but I'm just linking this one......

Pfizer, Moderna vaccines can protect against coronavirus variant, lab studies suggest - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/17/health/pfizer-vaccine-south-africa-variant/index.html)

[coffeebean]

Please research you are not 100% protected from the virus.....YES you can still get Covid after vaccine....YES there are many different strain and variants not protected by the vaccine. YES you can still be a carrier and give someone else the virus.

95% is pretty good in my book. I'll take 95% vaccine protection vs ZERO PERCENT. I have no idea how my own immune system will fair against this virus so I don't trust it. I can't recall the last time I was ill with any type of illness, even a common cold. I still do not trust my immune system against the Covid virus but then I'm not so young anymore.

[coffeebean]

Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov %2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fvaccines%2Fvaccine-benefits%2Ffacts.html)

I have linked this in another thread. Great info and it is from the CDC. But......too bad there are some folks out there that do not trust the CDC. I'm not one of them, however.

[coffeebean]

Unfortunately, there is no comparison in how the cause of death is reported.

In 30+ years of practice, I never once signed a death certificate with "Influenza" listed as the cause, and neither did most doctors.

Now, there is a financial incentive to list COVID on the DC and on hospital bills.

So, I wonder how many fewer "COVID" deaths we would have if they were counted the way we traditionally count influenza deaths, and how many more influenza deaths if there were the same financial incentive for the influenza diagnosis. A hint of this lies in the almost ridiculous low number of influenza cases this year. (and NO, it's not because people are wearing a mask)

Were those deaths listed as pneumonia if the person died with influenza?

[coffeebean]

Paranoia. Terror. Ignorance. Sub-normal intelligence. Brainwashed by media.

Take your pick. Last time this question was posted there were a ton of lame excuses that all started with "I'm not afraid, but....." In reality, they are all afraid. And that's OK, do what you want to feel safe. But you are deluding yourself if you think wearing a mask in your car does anything to prevent COVID. And you are even more delusional if you are denying your fear.

I'm going to paraphrase a scenario here but one poster made this excuse some time ago. See if you can understand her reasoning......

The poster said she had to pick up her 90 year old mother in the car to bring her to the doctor. She figured if she was asymptomatic for Covid, breathing in an enclosed car would have all those Covid viruses all over the place in the car. Then, her 90 year old mother was going to get into a car that had a bunch of Covid viruses floating around.

I understand, all she had to do was open all the windows in the car and all those virus particles would have flown out the windows and not had been a problem for her 90 year old Mom. But...........what if it was 95 degrees outside and her 90 year old Mom could not tolerate such high temperature without becoming ill. So, she had to keep the car windows closed as she drove to pick up her Mom. That is why she wore a mask in her car all by herself.

Thoughts?

[coffeebean]

The woman wishes to wear a mask alone in her car and talk through it to a person dozens of feet away, behind a protective window. I am surprised that she is able to leave her home. I wonder if she wears a mask when talking on the phone.

For those that suggest that one must wear the mask after waiting the prescribed time after receiving the second dose, I'm sorry but in my case, I have no plan to continue to wear a mask after the shots. If the vaccine is not good enough to protect me from the virus, then I don't see why I even got it to begin with.
I read a study conducted by the Israelis that is still on-going for an undetermined time, that indicates (so far) that vaccinated subjects did NOT carry or transmit the virus to others. I prefer to believe their study and adjust my actions accordingly. If I am not able to transmit the virus to others once I am vaccinated, I see no reason to continue to wear the mask just because it makes others feel more secure. On the other hand, if you feel that you might transmit the invisible demon virus to others, than by all means continue to wear your safety diaper. I am not going to tell anyone that wishes to be safe to ignore their worries.
I have thought of having a T shirt made up that says "Have shots, but stay 6ft away anyway." The Israeli study seems to indicate that once a virus spore is inhaled into the vaccinated system, it is attacked and destroyed. Thus, one is unable to transmit it to others. Some wish to think that the vaccination makes your infection less serious, but that you still get sick. I prefer to think that if I go to trouble of getting vaccinated, that I will be inoculated against COVID. If it turns out that like the ever persistent FLU, that it does not protect one against infection, then I will not get any boosters in the future, if offered. I see no reason to have foreign matter injected into me for a half-@ssed effort to reduce the effects of the virus. Now, that's just my opinion and I have no wish to influence anyone else's decision to get the vaccine. Like I said, I am waiting for my second dose. If I am wrong, then I have only lost a few hours to the effort of obtaining the vaccination.

Be careful, stay safe and enjoy life. You only get one ride so make it a fun one.

Dr. Fauci did say on a news cast that there is growing evidence that vaccinated people do not transmit the virus to others. I surely hope this is proven without a doubt. I found this article and there are others with a Google search.....

Dr. Fauci Just Said the COVID Vaccine Could Also Protect You From This (https://bestlifeonline.com/fauci-vaccine-transmission-news/)

[golfing eagles]

Were those deaths listed as pneumonia if the person died with influenza?

They were listed as pneumonia if the person had pneumonia. People don't usually die directly from influenza (or COVID). They die from pneumonia, or sepsis, or CHF

I'm going to paraphrase a scenario here but one poster made this excuse some time ago. See if you can understand her reasoning......

The poster said she had to pick up her 90 year old mother in the car to bring her to the doctor. She figured if she was asymptomatic for Covid, breathing in an enclosed car would have all those Covid viruses all over the place in the car. Then, her 90 year old mother was going to get into a car that had a bunch of Covid viruses floating around.

I understand, all she had to do was open all the windows in the car and all those virus particles would have flown out the windows and not had been a problem for her 90 year old Mom. But...........what if it was 95 degrees outside and her 90 year old Mom could not tolerate such high temperature without becoming ill. So, she had to keep the car windows closed as she drove to pick up her Mom. That is why she wore a mask in her car all by herself.

Thoughts?

It's a one off story. It doesn't explain the hundreds of people I've seen driving alone with a mask

[amexsbow]

It has been reported recently that Congressman Ben Dover has proposed passing a bill called "Reshaping America from behind." The Bill would require all citizens to attend training for the proper response to Government edicts. A position paper has been prepared and enforcement will be led by a new
Federal Agency which will have to ability to force compliance by any means necessary.

[carhirsch]

Bingo

[stanley]

It has been reported recently that Congressman Ben Dover has proposed passing a bill called "Reshaping America from behind." The Bill would require all citizens to attend training for the proper response to Government edicts. A position paper has been prepared and enforcement will be led by a new
Federal Agency which will have to ability to force compliance by any means necessary.


I see what you did there

[golfing eagles]

It has been reported recently that Congressman Ben Dover has proposed passing a bill called "Reshaping America from behind." The Bill would require all citizens to attend training for the proper response to Government edicts. A position paper has been prepared and enforcement will be led by a new
Federal Agency which will have to ability to force compliance by any means necessary.

Thank you sir, may I have another?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[jimjamuser]

Solution:
They have about perfected an instant COVID test that will be sold over the counter. If you want proof that I am safe, hand me one of those and I will gladly indulge you for a minute before advising you to mind your own business and to social distance somewhere else. I am an Independent and thus, need no gov nanny or little tattletalers interfering in my business. If that excites you, then I suggest retiring to your safe room with all your little stuffed animals. About the only reaction to someone that I do not know falling ill is "that's a shame." If I am not infected, then I have no need to satisfy some weak minded and dependent whiner's whims. You should assume that a person that is out and about is safe, not infected. There is no reason to believe that everyone you see is infected. If my rather blunt nature bothers you, then that is totally on you.

And a little side note to unnamed poster that insisted on using "what would Jesus do?" Jesus would not be wearing a mask. He would be healing the BELIEVERS. I might also mention that believers are quoted in the Bible as being able to handle poisonous serpents and drink poison and survive. Best not to attempt to use someone's beliefs to win at a discussion. No matter how you frame your response, you can be right or you can be wrong. We are expressing our opinions.
Superheroes that are super independent of all earthly social bounds, might consider living on a frontier in Alaska or Siberia. CV has clarified the idea that we are ALL dependent on each other AND our government We ALL need Science and medicine to help us to stay ALIVE. And we NEED help from our fellow man/woman. And we NEED to give help - like a simple thing like wearing a mask AND by modeling to others the wearing of masks. Those that dislike government involvement and "so-called" overreach are just begging that same government that MUST protect its citizens to step in and requires something (Mask-wearing and CDC guidelines), which is exactly what those same people DON'T want. Funny how that works!

Ask Not what the country can do for you - what can YOU do for the country in this trying pandemic? Wonder if John F. Kennedy would model mask-wearing?

[NoMoSno]

Superheroes that are super independent of all earthly social bounds, might consider living on a frontier in Alaska or Siberia. CV has clarified the idea that we are ALL dependent on each other AND our government We ALL need Science and medicine to help us to stay ALIVE. And we NEED help from our fellow man/woman. And we NEED to give help - like a simple thing like wearing a mask AND by modeling to others the wearing of masks. Those that dislike government involvement and "so-called" overreach are just begging that same government that MUST protect its citizens to step in and requires something (Mask-wearing and CDC guidelines), which is exactly what those same people DON'T want. Funny how that works!

Ask Not what the country can do for you - what can YOU do for the country in this trying pandemic? Wonder if John F. Kennedy would model mask-wearing?
Yet our government is allowing thousands of illegal immigrants to cross the southern border daily with no testing, contact tracing, or vaccinations and bringing in the deadly brazilian varient you speak of.
They don't seem to be protecting it's citizens very well.

[jimjamuser]

Works the other way around also. I believe what I know is true, therefore I will act according. If anyone has a problem with that, they can complain to someone that might give a ------------ (you can fill in the blank). Like I said, someone's theory does not make it true. I would rather go on years of testing, than some political medical expert's OPINION or guess. Just because he has no studies to prove his theory does not make someone else's experience and years of testing wrong.

My T shirt will say "VACCINATED, but still stay away from me." Not my fault if you violate my personal space and find out that you are right and I am wrong. It will all be on you. Consider it a "No Trespassing" sign.

Don't think that my kind and giving nature means that I am a door mat.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to know the FACTS about CV because the Virus is MUTATING. It is a fluid SITUATION, which takes constant research and flexible updates and a flexible audience for that information. As far as a "kind and giving nature"......Oh Lordy, Lordy......bite that tongue that feeds you.

[jimjamuser]

1) Priorities, priorities. You don't stick your head out the window to check the weather after the tornado hits. It's fine to test for COVID, but not while a patient may be bleeding out

2) How many hospitals have you run??? Since I only ran one, you may have me beat:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Are we talking "puppy dog" hospitals? I like those. They are cute!

[coffeebean]

1) Priorities, priorities. You don't stick your head out the window to check the weather after the tornado hits. It's fine to test for COVID, but not while a patient may be bleeding out

2) How many hospitals have you run??? Since I only ran one, you may have me beat:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Was that one the Nassau County Medical Center?

[jimjamuser]

Did Sam's Club allow this guy to remain in the store without a mask? They should have escorted him out if he refused to wear a mask.
I agree! if wearing a mask fogs his glasses, he should wear contact lenses.

[coffeebean]

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

I know you are just joshin'.

[jimjamuser]

I agree with this POV. I refuse to protect an anti-vaxxer by having to wear a mask. It is their choice not to be vaccinated and at any given point in time that the vaccine is available to anyone who wants the vaccine, that is when my mask comes off for good.

To those who can not be vaccinated for a medical issue, I feel it is up to the individual at that point to protect themselves when out and about in public. That is when N95 masks should be used for protection of the wearer. Also, those who can not be vaccinated for medical issues should be responsible for themselves to keep their distance from others. If not going to crowded events, then that is what they must do to protect themselves.

Call me selfish if you feel I'm selfish. All I can say is I have adhered 100% to CDC guidelines ever since this pandemic began and I look forward to going through life without having to cover my face and socially distance from others. That time is not here yet but I will wait patiently to hear from our experts when that time is here.
Dr. Fauci said, "by Christmas". He also said that it is difficult to predict with quantitative accuracy exactly when. And the Virus is NOT stopping evolving just because some people have gotten their shots. It is a fluid situation.

[coffeebean]

They were listed as pneumonia if the person had pneumonia. People don't usually die directly from influenza (or COVID). They die from pneumonia, or sepsis, or CHF



It's a one off story. It doesn't explain the hundreds of people I've seen driving alone with a mask

Thank you for responding to me. I understand the scenario I gave you was a one off. But.....what do you think if that scenario was a reality?

[coffeebean]

It has been reported recently that Congressman Ben Dover has proposed passing a bill called "Reshaping America from behind." The Bill would require all citizens to attend training for the proper response to Government edicts. A position paper has been prepared and enforcement will be led by a new
Federal Agency which will have to ability to force compliance by any means necessary.

Do you think there will be a bill for Reshaping My Behind in America? Hope so.

[NoMoSno]

Superheroes that are super independent of all earthly social bounds, might consider living on a frontier in Alaska or Siberia. CV has clarified the idea that we are ALL dependent on each other AND our government We ALL need Science and medicine to help us to stay ALIVE. And we NEED help from our fellow man/woman. And we NEED to give help - like a simple thing like wearing a mask AND by modeling to others the wearing of masks. Those that dislike government involvement and "so-called" overreach are just begging that same government that MUST protect its citizens to step in and requires something (Mask-wearing and CDC guidelines), which is exactly what those same people DON'T want. Funny how that works!

Ask Not what the country can do for you - what can YOU do for the country in this trying pandemic? Wonder if John F. Kennedy would model mask-wearing?

Yet our government is allowing thousands of illegal immigrants to cross the southern border daily with no testing, contact tracing, or vaccinations and bringing in the deadly Brazilian variant you speak of.
They don't seem to be protecting its citizens very well.

What no response to my post?

[jimjamuser]

Right...............this coming from a person that at one time called ALL of the lawn care people here "low life scum", "crack heads" "theifs" "losers that can't do anything else"................What would Jesus say to that?
That post, along with the replies were deleted after you got crap for that generalization. I wish it was still accessible, it was a doozie!
You are a hypocrite, plain and simple.
I feel GREAT that I was remembered. I did not delete that myself. And I DO rant sometimes, but I am in good company here. Some things I may have said may have been taken out of context. I pointed out that many, not all lawn people SPEED around TV Land. I suggested that community services monitor their speed more closely. I just HOPE that they do NOT kill some slow pedestrian, which is ALL of us at some time during the day. I pointed out that it was known to real Police that SOME, not all, have been implicated in informing local criminals of temporarily vacated property that are ripe for ROBBERY. So, I was trying to help inform other Villagers to be wary. If I be attacked for that, then so be it!

[stanley]

I feel GREAT that I was remembered. I did not delete that myself. And I DO rant sometimes, but I am in good company here. Some things I may have said may have been taken out of context. I pointed out that many, not all lawn people SPEED around TV Land. I suggested that community services monitor their speed more closely. I just HOPE that they do NOT kill some slow pedestrian, which is ALL of us at some time during the day. I pointed out that it was known to real Police that SOME, not all, have been implicated in informing local criminals of temporarily vacated property that are ripe for ROBBERY. So, I was trying to help inform other Villagers to be wary. If I be attacked for that, then so be it!

The Mods deleted it. Your original post was way off base, don't try to sugar coat it. Of course I remember, rarely do I forget hypocrites.

[jimjamuser]

Not according to this news report. And.....there are others but I'm just linking this one......

Pfizer, Moderna vaccines can protect against coronavirus variant, lab studies suggest - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/17/health/pfizer-vaccine-south-africa-variant/index.html)
The latest tonight from Dr. Fauci is that BOTH Phizer and Moderna vaccines have MUCH lower efficacy ( 60% ) when dealing with the S. African CV variant. Better results against other variants.