Two thirds of some units of the US ARMY are refusing mRNA shot ...

[Michread]

- The Associated Press


They are smarter than we think they are! :ho:

[thelegges]

- The Associated Press


They are smarter than we think they are! :ho:

First line responders are doing the same. Those who choose to wait, have their personal reasons, and I respect that. But there are some posters that think 90% of the population is getting the vaccine. Welcome to the new military that gives you choices

[New Englander]

When I was in the US Military you didn't have a choice. You got the vaccines weather you wanted them or not.

[YouNeverKnow]

- The Associated Press


They are smarter than we think they are! :ho:
Article says one third not two thirds. Big difference.

Pentagon Officials Say One In Three Military Troops Are Refusing The Coronavirus Vaccine (https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2021/02/17/pentagon-officials-say-one-in-three-military-troops-are-refusing-the-coronavirus-vaccine/?sh=7d7a7e031ed2)

[Michread]

Article says one third not two thirds. Big difference.

Pentagon Officials Say One In Three Military Troops Are Refusing The Coronavirus Vaccine (https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2021/02/17/pentagon-officials-say-one-in-three-military-troops-are-refusing-the-coronavirus-vaccine/?sh=7d7a7e031ed2)

Nope. Article says one third are AGREEING to get the shot...see today’s Daily Sun A 12

That leaves two thirds of some Army units who are NOT.

[Number 10 GI]

When I was in the US Military you didn't have a choice. You got the vaccines weather you wanted them or not.

I don't remember what flu it was but it was a new one and the vaccine was new and had not been tested very long. We were given no choice, you will take the vaccine. I didn't have a seriously bad reaction to it but I remember feeling pretty lousy for a couple days. The risks of being an involuntary guinea pig! Back then there weren't many things you could opt out of in the military.

[manaboutown]

Times have certainly changed. When I was in basic training in the army in 1965 they lined us up and we received three shots every week. Nobody told us what they were and of course we did not ask.

It could also be fake news...

[Bogie Shooter]

Same article said “ those refusing vaccine eligible for. Immediate deployment”.

[JohnN]

Nope. Article says one third are AGREEING to get the shot...see today’s Daily Sun A 12

That leaves two thirds of some Army units who are NOT.

What article are you reading?? I'd guess anytime a soldier gets a choice, he'll choose opposite what his command might choose.


" About two-thirds of U.S. troops who have been offered the coronavirus vaccine have accepted the jab...

early data” shows about a third of U.S. troops who are able to get a coronavirus vaccine decline to do so"

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

In every article posted including army times the number is in 1/3 with the navy having over 70% vaccinated , the pentagon gives the biggest reason being young people don’t feel the virus threatens them this is no different then the general public where as you move down in ages more won’t take it

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Nope. Article says one third are AGREEING to get the shot...see today’s Daily Sun A 12

That leaves two thirds of some Army units who are NOT.news stories posted on this including all the service news groups it’s one third

[Number 10 GI]

Times have certainly changed. When I was in basic training in the army in 1965 they lined us up and we received three shots every week. Nobody told us what they were and of course we did not ask.

It could also be fake news...

I started basic in Feb 1966. They were vaccinating everyone for potential south east Asia deployment. I remember Plague, Yellow Fever, Cholera, Tetanus, Typhoid, and a few others. I thought I was a pin cushion. Some of those shots really made us feel pretty bad.

[Toymeister]

I was in Afghanistan when COVID19 hit. I can tell you for certain that you will choose to get the shot to avoid the hassle of not having it.

You fly in to Kuwait and you are placed in two weeks of isolation at a minimum depending on flights out. That is 14 days behind chain link with no internet with little to nothing to do. Depending on time of the year it's 120. Sure you have AC in your barracks with 119 of your friends but the novelty is over in four minutes. The AC is not something that your would call comfort cool, that is for certain.

Vaccine = 1 - 3 days in that desert paradise. Believe me you will do damn near anything to avoid any extended stays at Ali Al Saleem or Camp Arifjan, Kuwait.

I don't trust the MSM to understand that the Base Commander is god in theater not some O-5 in the pentagon. S/he sets the rules. S/he says vaccine required, you get the vaccine, no discussion, no democracy.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Nope. Article says one third are AGREEING to get the shot...see today’s Daily Sun A 12

That leaves two thirds of some Army units who are NOT.


From the Forbes article that YouNeverKnow posted. TOPLINE About two-thirds of U.S. troops who have been offered the coronavirus vaccine have accepted the jab, Pentagon officials said Wednesday, raising questions about the safety of the U.S. armed forces as reports of coronavirus outbreaks still plague the military.

I honestly do not understand how the military can allow this. The same for first responders. No one should be able to force you to get the vaccine. On the other hand if you are a first responder and are going to be in close contact with people, you should not be allowed to do your job if you refuse the vaccine. Same for the military. Not getting the vaccine is endangering the lives of your fellow servicemen who live in work in close quarters.

[DonH57]

When I was in the US Military you didn't have a choice. You got the vaccines weather you wanted them or not.

Exactly. I filled up two shot record cards like they were S&H green stamps during my career!:1rotfl:

[graciegirl]

First line responders are doing the same. Those who choose to wait, have their personal reasons, and I respect that. But there are some posters that think 90% of the population is getting the vaccine. Welcome to the new military that gives you choices

It was me that said that and I was proven wrong. Bucco who never lies said it was 72%. I think he is correct.

I can't remember if you have a medical background. I don't. I just read a lot of medical stuff but am very picky from WHERE.

[Two Bills]

What a different world we live in.
In 1956 when I joined military, we were told to report to MO for shots, and in later years when posted abroad, for more.
I am still none the wiser as to what they put into me.
All we were told, was it would stop us popping our clogs from some heathen disease!
As for choice? :1rotfl:

[JoMar]

When I was sent to Puerto Rico I needed a Yellow Fever vaccination. The dispensary in Philly didn't have it so they noted in my records that I didn't have it and would get it in Puerto Rico. It never happened. When I was getting discharged back it Philly and they saw I did not receive it they gave it to me in Philly the day before I was discharged. It was effective, it has protected me against Yellow Fever in PA and now here ever since :)

[Cobullymom]

From the Forbes article that YouNeverKnow posted.

I honestly do not understand how the military can allow this. The same for first responders. No one should be able to force you to get the vaccine. On the other hand if you are a first responder and are going to be in close contact with people, you should not be allowed to do your job if you refuse the vaccine. Same for the military. Not getting the vaccine is endangering the lives of your fellow servicemen who live in work in close quarters.
So in other words if you carry a certain line of work, your not entitled to freedom of choice? Those are some really strong opinions, and as someone who works in healthcare, I’ll be damned if someone will tell me what I can do for my own life and health...

[Cobullymom]

- The Associated Press


They are smarter than we think they are! :ho:
And the current CDC adverse reactions 500+ reported deaths so far from vaccines, for those who believe there is none..

[hrenner]

Nope. Article says one third are AGREEING to get the shot...see today’s Daily Sun A 12

That leaves two thirds of some Army units who are NOT.

How can you lie like this. This is the quote

TOPLINE About two-thirds of U.S. troops who have been offered the coronavirus vaccine have accepted the jab, Pentagon officials said Wednesday, raising questions about the safety of the U.S. armed forces as reports of coronavirus outbreaks still plague the military.

[matandch]

That’s encouraging. Now all the enemy has to do is send in some covid carriers to infect and immobilize our troops. Defeated without firing a single shot.

[Cobullymom]

And the current CDC adverse reactions 500+ reported deaths so far from vaccines, for those who believe there is none.. here is the latest update...500+ reported deaths..

[MandoMan]

Nope. Article says one third are AGREEING to get the shot...see today’s Daily Sun A 12

That leaves two thirds of some Army units who are NOT.

No, the article says that two-thirds who were OFFERED the vaccine ACCEPTED the vaccine, which means one-third did NOT accept the vaccine. That’s very sad. There was a time when people going into the military were tough and brave and accepted all their shots and their first buzz cut without complaint, though they may have gritted their teeth, and some passed out from getting several vaccines at once. Willing to face a bullet but not a needle? I don’t get it. General Washington required his troops at Valley Forge to accept smallpox inoculation. That was a big deal, much more dangerous than this vaccine. I believe two or three of the soldiers died from their inoculation. But the result was that the rest stayed free of smallpox, a scourge of army life, and lived on. Without the inoculations, we may well have lost that war. I’d tell the troops “Take the vaccine or get a dishonorable discharge.” I guess everywhere we go, there are people who believe conspiracy theories and pseudo-science. Why should military personnel be any different?

[Cheapbas]

here is the latest update...500+ reported deaths..

Please provide the direct web link to this data. The information I get is there are NO direct links between the COVID shot and deaths. Only that there were deaths of people 77 and over who had received the vaccine, but it was not determined those deaths were due to the vaccine.

[woderfulwendy1]

Nope. Article says one third are AGREEING to get the shot...see today’s Daily Sun A 12

That leaves two thirds of some Army units who are NOT.
And you believe The Daily Sun over The Petagon?

[JimJohnson]

Its the me me me mentality.

[camaguey48]

Same article said “ those refusing vaccine eligible for. Immediate deployment”.
To where? As punishment? Is there a new war brewing? We haven't had one in over four years. Hmmmmm.

[coffeebean]

And the current CDC adverse reactions 500+ reported deaths so far from vaccines, for those who believe there is none..

I don't know what to believe. I have seen a couple of posters claim there have been deaths from the mRNA vaccines. I have searched for that information but come up with nothing. Will you please post a link to information that states there have been deaths directly related to the mRNA vaccines. Thanks.

The deaths in Norway in the nursing home were people who were very old and frail and even a fever would have made them die. I don't consider those deaths to be directly related to the vaccines. From what I have read, people over 90 years old were not in trials and those nursing home patients should not have received the vaccines in the first place. This is an article about those deaths in Norway.........

Covid-19: Norway investigates 23 deaths in frail elderly patients after vaccination | The BMJ (https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149)

[coffeebean]

And the current CDC adverse reactions 500+ reported deaths so far from vaccines, for those who believe there is none..

I found this report from the CDC. It says of the over 900 reports of death after the vaccinations, no deaths were directly related to the vaccines. Am I reading this incorrectly???

Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html)

[coffeebean]

here is the latest update...500+ reported deaths..

Does this report include follow up investigation to see if the vaccine actually was directly responsible for the deaths? The article I just posted by the CDC states they always investigate deaths reported and request medical records to do their investigation. NO death was found to be a direct cause from the vaccines. That was my take away from the CDC article I posted.

EDIT: The above quoted comment does not include the graph you posted for some reason. I don't know why that happened.

[jbrown132]

Nope. Article says one third are AGREEING to get the shot...see today’s Daily Sun A 12

That leaves two thirds of some Army units who are NOT.

Who cares!! One third, two thirds. It’s plain and simple. If you want to get the vaccine get it if you don’t then don’t.

[coffeebean]

Potato, potahto, tomato, tomahto, Oh, let's call the whole thing off!

[elevatorman]

I don't know what to believe. I have seen a couple of posters claim there have been deaths from the mRNA vaccines. I have searched for that information but come up with nothing. Will you please post a link to information that states there have been deaths directly related to the mRNA vaccines. Thanks.

The deaths in Norway in the nursing home were people who were very old and frail and even a fever would have made them die. I don't consider those deaths to be directly related to the vaccines. From what I have read, people over 90 years old were not in trials and those nursing home patients should not have received the vaccines in the first place. This is an article about those deaths in Norway.........

Covid-19: Norway investigates 23 deaths in frail elderly patients after vaccination | The BMJ (https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149)

I could not find the chart. This is from the CDC site. Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html) All deaths after Vaccination must be reported to VAERS. The deaths are then investigated to determine if the vaccine caused the death. Go to the part that is headlined
Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination

[Neils]

So in other words if you carry a certain line of work, your not entitled to freedom of choice? Those are some really strong opinions, and as someone who works in healthcare, I’ll be damned if someone will tell me what I can do for my own life and health...

Your choice is your line of work. Do you think all steelworker want to wear the fall restraint harness all day? Or that warehouse people enjoy steel toed boots?

If your choice is to work in healthcare, then taking a vaccine that helps keep your patients safe seems reasonable.
If you choose not to be vaccinated, that is your choice and right. Just not to keep the same job.

[merrymini]

People who believe there are NO deaths from the vaccine usually are the people who believe EVERYBODY dies when they get the disease. When do we start believing liars like the cdc, who or the media?

[Cobullymom]

Please provide the direct web link to this data. The information I get is there are NO direct links between the COVID shot and deaths. Only that there were deaths of people 77 and over who had received the vaccine, but it was not determined those deaths were due to the vaccine.
Look in the thread, I already did...I posted the CDC page...

[Cobullymom]

Your choice is your line of work. Do you think all steelworker want to wear the fall restraint harness all day? Or that warehouse people enjoy steel toed boots?

If your choice is to work in healthcare, then taking a vaccine that helps keep your patients safe seems reasonable.
If you choose not to be vaccinated, that is your choice and right. Just not to keep the same job.
Worked through AIDS, HIV and many other diseases that was I not vaccinated for and they had a much higher risk of death and I took the risk, to take care of others....no one cared then! Again, how dare anybody tell me what I should do with my body....or my profession....and a fall restraint harness is proven, and has nothing absolutely nothing to do with taking a vaccine....what a ridiculous comparison...

[Cobullymom]

Your choice is your line of work. Do you think all steelworker want to wear the fall restraint harness all day? Or that warehouse people enjoy steel toed boots?

If your choice is to work in healthcare, then taking a vaccine that helps keep your patients safe seems reasonable.
If you choose not to be vaccinated, that is your choice and right. Just not to keep the same job.
Or comparing steel toed boots...smdh

[Cobullymom]

Does this report include follow up investigation to see if the vaccine actually was directly responsible for the deaths? The article I just posted by the CDC states they always investigate deaths reported and request medical records to do their investigation. NO death was found to be a direct cause from the vaccines. That was my take away from the CDC article I posted.

EDIT: The above quoted comment does not include the graph you posted for some reason. I don't know why that happened.
You take away whatever you want and I will take away with what I believe don’t impose your beliefs on me I’m simply showing you the CDC chart

[44Apple]

To anyone, don't want the Covid vaccine? Fine, just don't start whining when you find yourself on a ventilator.

[Cheapbas]

- The Associated Press


They are smarter than we think they are! :ho:

doesn’t make COVID sense to me.

If we want to control the virus, we have to control the variants. If we want to control the variants, we need to manage it coming into the USA. If you’re in the army, I can’t see you leaving without that jab. Maybe the 1/3rd are staying home.

[GeriS]

First line responders are doing the same. Those who choose to wait, have their personal reasons, and I respect that. But there are some posters that think 90% of the population is getting the vaccine. Welcome to the new military that gives you choices
Maybe they've done their research & know what's in it.

[Tankerrich]

To anyone, don't want the Covid vaccine? Fine, just don't start whining when you find yourself on a ventilator.

Perhaps we should close down the internet!

[dhdallas]

Actually one third of the military is refusing the vaccination. The military frowns on thinking for yourself so expect it to be mandatory soon.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/members/dhdallas-118996/albums/cartoons/9203-military-thinking.jpg

[Andyb]

This COVID “vaccine” is not a vaccine, but rather gene therapy. People under 40 have almost a zero chance of dying from it, especially fit service people. I don’t blame them.

[Marine1974]

So your saying all first responders should not be able to do their job if their not going to get vaccinated. What if 2/3 of the first responders refuse and your 911 call doesn’t get
dispatched ? Will you think the same way ?

[Dgodin]

- The Associated Press


They are smarter than we think they are! :ho:
My son, still on active duty, confirmed the shot is optional, which, as anyone familiar with the military knows, is unusual. This is because the shot is under an EUA and not fully FDA approved. You can bet that the shot will be mandatory after full FDA approval, if not before.

If these people were really smart they'd get it now rather than risk losing worldwide deployability later.

[Marine1974]

You can’t just replace 2/3 of the military in a day . And what’s to say recruitment will go down to
1/3 of quotas if a vaccination is required . You think they should
start the draft ?

[Marine1974]

You can’t put 2/3 of the military in the brig can you .

[Swoop]

To anyone, don't want the Covid vaccine? Fine, just don't start whining when you find yourself on a ventilator.
With fewer than 3% of those who get Covid ending up on a ventilator, I don’t see the direct correlation...

[Bill14564]

Please provide the direct web link to this data. The information I get is there are NO direct links between the COVID shot and deaths. Only that there were deaths of people 77 and over who had received the vaccine, but it was not determined those deaths were due to the vaccine.

Look in the thread, I already did...I posted the CDC page...

The table was created through a database search available HERE (https://wonder.cdc.gov/VAERS.html)

Be sure to click on the optional "Adverse Event Description" to see the comments that were entered.

Remember, correlation does not prove causation. Old people die, people with Covid die, many other people die every day. I personally believe there will be cases of the vaccine causing deaths - just logical that it might happen but I absolutely do not believe that every death in this database was caused by the vaccine, particularly when the comments state just that.

[Marine1974]

Eligible for deployment where ?

[linus69]

The way I remember it when I enlisted in the USN it was simply put then that you were now government property and even getting a tattoo was looked at like defacing and endangering govt. property and could get you discharged. We were given no choices on what vaccinations we would accept or not accept. You stood in line and an airgun vaccinator shot it into your arm and you moved down to the next shot station. I don`t see how refusing a shot is any different than deciding what orders you are going to obey or not obey. On a floating city like an Aircraft Carrier or tight quarters like a Submarine how can it work if only part of the crew is protected and others are not, it can`t so I am not buying this.

[RICH1]

It's because they are Tough, and the Vaccine will weaken them!

[RICH1]

The table was created through a database search available HERE (https://wonder.cdc.gov/VAERS.html)

Be sure to click on the optional "Adverse Event Description" to see the comments that were entered.

Remember, correlation does not prove causation. Old people die, people with Covid die, many other people die every day. I personally believe there will be cases of the vaccine causing deaths - just logical that it might happen but I absolutely do not believe that every death in this database was caused by the vaccine, particularly when the comments state just that.
Many had underlying conditions! Some didn't know they had. I guess the older we get the more susceptible we are to medical issues..... interesting that the WHO recently found over 13 Strains of this Virus in Dec of 2019...How long did Foreign Intelligence know about this! The crime is in the Cover-up.

[dtennent]

here is the latest update...500+ reported deaths..

These are reports of death after the vaccine was administered. It does not conclude that the vaccine is the cause of death. Here is a quote from the CDC website on the Vaccine Reporting Event Reporting system.

A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.

From the following link, the CDC says that 52 million doses have been administered through Feb 14 with 934 deaths after the vaccine. (See Above). This means there were 0.018% deaths and those weren't confirmed to be caused by the vaccine.

Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html)

Sounds like the vaccine is very safe to me.

[Swoop]

Does this report include follow up investigation to see if the vaccine actually was directly responsible for the deaths? The article I just posted by the CDC states they always investigate deaths reported and request medical records to do their investigation. NO death was found to be a direct cause from the vaccines. That was my take away from the CDC article I posted.

EDIT: The above quoted comment does not include the graph you posted for some reason. I don't know why that happened.
The CDC also stated that only 6% of the recorded Covid deaths occurred in people without other pre existing conditions. In fact the vast majority had four or more comorbidities. So is “your take” on this the same? That the majority of Covid recorded deaths were not directly caused by the virus?

[blueash]

here is the latest update...500+ reported deaths..

Thank you for posting the chart in post # 23. That chart is from the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System. The law requires a report be made for any event that occurs after a vaccination. The report must be made even if the vaccination is not believed to be the cause of the adverse event, it simply is used to trigger investigation. Death is a mandated event to be reported. In any population of older people, those getting the vaccines to date, there will be deaths. So far 64 million doses have been given in the US.

Now as to your claim that there are 500+ reported deaths. You are wrong because you didn't read the chart carefully. The chart you are showing displays all the reported deaths from all vaccines, not just Covid vaccines. In fact the chart shows 196 reported deaths from the Pfizer and 173 from the Moderna product, or 369 deaths.

I don't see a date on your chart, but even if the data is a week old, and the reports take some time to make it onto the data, is it surprising that 400 people might have died within 2 weeks of a vaccination? The average daily death rate in the US is 7000 per day, all ages included. So in a 2 week period almost 100,000 Americans die.

Nothing on the chart you posted says that the deaths were caused by vaccination. But even if it were vaccine related, a disease that has killed 1.8% of identified cases [500,000 /28,000,000] is far more dangerous than a vaccine that kills 0.00058% of its recipients [369/64000000]

Further the CDC has published its analysis of all adverse events during the early period of vaccination, for shots given Dec 14 to Jan 13. There were ~14 million doses given and 113 reported deaths, mostly in Long term care facilities. In that highly at risk of death due to age and disease, the death rate following vaccine was 0.000807142 % and the CDC report (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7008e3.htm) says:
A total of 113 deaths were reported to VAERS, including 78 (65%) among LTCF residents; available information from death certificates, autopsy reports, medical records, and clinical descriptions from VAERS reports and health care providers did not suggest any causal relationship between COVID-19 vaccination and death.

In summary, the number you cited was wrong, the implication you made that vaccines have been shown to cause deaths is unsupported and per the CDC wrong, and even if the vaccines did kill every person whose death is temporally related to vaccination, it would still be safer by 1000's percent than not getting vaccinated.

[blueash]

These are reports of death after the vaccine was administered. It does not conclude that the vaccine is the cause of death. Here is a quote from the CDC website on the Vaccine Reporting Event Reporting system.

A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.

From the following link, the CDC says that 52 million doses have been administered through Feb 14 with 934 deaths after the vaccine. (See Above). This means there were 0.018% deaths and those weren't confirmed to be caused by the vaccine.

Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html)

Sounds like the vaccine is very safe to me.

That is the update from two months of vaccine administration. You however made a small decimal point error. The correct percent is 0.0018% reported, one tenth of what you wrote.

[blueash]

I'd like to add a comment on those attacking the OP for the statement

Two thirds of some units of the US ARMY are refusing mRNA shot

This is what happens if you don't post a link
The statement is true because is says "some units"

Thousands of service members saying no to Covid vaccine (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/thousands-service-members-saying-no-covid-vaccine-n1258214)

[Tmarkwald]

I was in Afghanistan when COVID19 hit. I can tell you for certain that you will choose to get the shot to avoid the hassle of not having it.

You fly in to Kuwait and you are placed in two weeks of isolation at a minimum depending on flights out. That is 14 days behind chain link with no internet with little to nothing to do. Depending on time of the year it's 120. Sure you have AC in your barracks with 119 of your friends but the novelty is over in four minutes. The AC is not something that your would call comfort cool, that is for certain.

Vaccine = 1 - 3 days in that desert paradise. Believe me you will do damn near anything to avoid any extended stays at Ali Al Saleem or Camp Arifjan, Kuwait.

I don't trust the MSM to understand that the Base Commander is god in theater not some O-5 in the pentagon. S/he sets the rules. S/he says vaccine required, you get the vaccine, no discussion, no democracy.

Yep, that's reality in a nutshell. Since Damn near every Deployable location and country week probably require it, articles like this are Pulp Fiction and may even have a political spin.

[Tmarkwald]

I think 'refusing' is an inaccurate term in the military.

Plus, there's this scenario where you are given a choice of postings.. Hawaii or Montana in the winter. Vaccine gets you Hawaii.......

Just a thought.... because whenever you move around in the military there is a list of required vaccines. Pretty much sure covid will be on that list....

[Johnsocat]

Your choice is your line of work. Do you think all steelworker want to wear the fall restraint harness all day? Or that warehouse people enjoy steel toed boots?

If your choice is to work in healthcare, then taking a vaccine that helps keep your patients safe seems reasonable.
If you choose not to be vaccinated, that is your choice and right. Just not to keep the same job.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I understood the shot only protects you from getting I'll from the virus, but doesnt keep you from carrying it or giving it to others. I believe that is why they say to continue wearing mask and social distancing?
Therefore, unless you actively have the virus, anyone, in any profession should have no reason not to go to work, especially if those around them have had the shots, as they are protected.

[graciegirl]

- The Associated Press


They are smarter than we think they are! :ho:

They are indeed disappointing if this is true.(??????)

Makes me wonder a lot of things. Times change.

The Vaccine is safe and if you are older can save your life. If you are younger getting it can save someone else's life.

Our military has always been the bravest and ready to put out every effort for the greater good.

[MikeE72!]

If you do not take the vaccine and get Covid, what is the percentage of survival?

[jimjamuser]

First line responders are doing the same. Those who choose to wait, have their personal reasons, and I respect that. But there are some posters that think 90% of the population is getting the vaccine. Welcome to the new military that gives you choices
There is a good chance that if we do NOT get 80 to 85 % of the US population vaccinated, then CV will be with us FOREVER. And as shown by CV's propensity to mutate, with more victims/hosts to work with, then our FUTURE Plague will make our current problem - just a "walk in the park".

[Swoop]

If you do not take the vaccine and get Covid, what is the percentage of survival?
Your age and your current state of health will impact your survival rate. But based on the overall numbers, the survival rate of those who get the virus is 99%.

[jimjamuser]

Article says one third not two thirds. Big difference.

Pentagon Officials Say One In Three Military Troops Are Refusing The Coronavirus Vaccine (https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2021/02/17/pentagon-officials-say-one-in-three-military-troops-are-refusing-the-coronavirus-vaccine/?sh=7d7a7e031ed2)
That sounds more like reality. Yet a 66% vaccination rate probably isn't good enough for the strong herd immunity that could eliminate the CV as a large problem. Dr. Fauci said that 80 to 85 % was needed. Hopefully, a lot of people just don't want to be the 1st to get the shot and will get it later after they see no terrible side effects. Then we may get a higher % vaccination rate.

[stebooo]

Opening sentence says 2/3 agreeing.

[gzink]

I think the reason they have a choice is that this is not formally FDA approved. Rather, the vaccines have Emergency Use Authorization. If/when vaccines get formal approval troops would no longer have a choice.

[cherylncliff]

About a third of those offered the vaccine have turned it down, according to Maj. Gen. Jeff Taliaferro, the Joint Staff’s vice director for operations.

[graciegirl]

So in other words if you carry a certain line of work, your not entitled to freedom of choice? Those are some really strong opinions, and as someone who works in healthcare, I’ll be damned if someone will tell me what I can do for my own life and health...

If I were in the hospital lying there hoping to be safe and we were chatting late at night as some nice medical people do sometimes with people who can't sleep, and you told me you had elected not to get the vaccine, I would lose a great deal of faith in almost everything you do there in the hospital. Every medical person in my little world, and I literally have six nurse friends all named Karen, two named Sandee and six others with other monikers and we chat on Facebook and they are all planning to get the vaccine against Covid-19 or have done so...

Can you tell us if you have an anaphylactic response to something in the vaccine, or you wonder about long time after effects??? Or perhaps you are very young, in your twenties or thirties?

[graciegirl]

This COVID “vaccine” is not a vaccine, but rather gene therapy. People under 40 have almost a zero chance of dying from it, especially fit service people. I don’t blame them.

Why do you say it's "GENE THERAPY". Gene therapy is a valid treatment for some diseases. At University of Cincinnati, some years ago, they were able to alter a cell and have it "piggyback" on a cold virus into the lungs of a person with Cystic Fibrosis. It altered some lung cells in such a way to help the patient live longer.

I believe that this vaccine challenges the body's own defenses in the regular way and soon your macrophages, your soldiers, are lining up to attack it and in some cases making you sick doing it. I consider my bodies response to the second shot just that. I was tired, had headaches and ghost pains that "bit" me here and there. A very typical response to your body recognizing an invader and getting ready for it.

[AOCMVA]

Because the Covid vaccine was not fully tested and has EMERGENCY APPROVAL ONLY, military personelli are not required to participate at this time. Once fully tested completely and fully approved (With no emergency approval) they will all be required to get the vaccine.

[sipops]

Reports of death to VAERS following vaccination do not necessarily mean the vaccine caused the death. However, if you die in a car accident it is Covid related. Follow the money.

[graciegirl]

Why do you say it's "GENE THERAPY". Gene therapy is a valid treatment for some diseases. At University of Cincinnati, some years ago, they were able to alter a cell and have it "piggyback" on a cold virus into the lungs of a person with Cystic Fibrosis. It altered some lung cells in such a way to help the patient live longer.

I believe that this vaccine challenges the body's own defenses in the regular way and soon your macrophages, your soldiers, are lining up to attack it and in some cases making you sick doing it. I consider my bodies response to the second shot just that. I was tired, had headaches and ghost pains that "bit" me here and there. A very typical response to your body recognizing an invader and getting ready for it.

As I was saying;

This is a fairly good explanation as to how the vaccine works. (I don't see any money to follow)

Understanding How COVID-19 Vaccines Work | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/how-they-work.html)

[jimjamuser]

- The Associated Press


They are smarter than we think they are! :ho:
I disagree with the whole army or military being eligible to receive the vaccine. The CDC recommends hospital workers 1st and then over 75, then over 65. Older people have the highest potential to clog up our hospitals, so I agree with the CDC. The military personnel are relatively young and healthy - I would think that logically they should be relatively last to receive a shot? States are changing CDC guidelines and the military also. It goes against medicine and science. The vaccine rollout seems arbitrary and confused.

[Velvet]

OP, you are wrong. Please read the news again.

HAWAII NEWS:

As many military personnel receive the coronavirus vaccine, 1 in 3 decide to opt out.

[asianthree]

I disagree with the whole army or military being eligible to receive the vaccine. The CDC recommends hospital workers 1st and then over 75, then over 65. .

Well if the Naval Ship, has a 80% Covid positive, and unable to perform, and there was a issue, a solution is available.

Just recruit all the 65 to 85yo to replace them. Nothing like life experience, and a Covid shot, to keep our country safe

[jimjamuser]

People who believe there are NO deaths from the vaccine usually are the people who believe EVERYBODY dies when they get the disease. When do we start believing liars like the cdc, who or the media?
I believe the CDC because I believe in Science and NOT conspiracy lies.

[jimjamuser]

Perhaps we should close down the internet!
I would be up for stopping the excessive LIES on various internet sites and a TV channel.

[jimjamuser]

So your saying all first responders should not be able to do their job if their not going to get vaccinated. What if 2/3 of the first responders refuse and your 911 call doesn’t get
dispatched ? Will you think the same way ?
That logic scenario can be flipped around - how would a person feel if they were in a car accident and then was INFECTED with CV from a 1st responder?

[jimjamuser]

You can’t just replace 2/3 of the military in a day . And what’s to say recruitment will go down to
1/3 of quotas if a vaccination is required . You think they should
start the draft ?
I am in favor of a draft for about 20 to 30 % of the military. The reason being that an all-volunteer army is MORE likely to try to overthrow a government than a partial civilian and drafted army. We have seen some strange things in recent years, so don't think the US is invulnerable to takeover.

[jimjamuser]

With fewer than 3% of those who get Covid ending up on a ventilator, I don’t see the direct correlation...
Those 3 % do and we have more deadly mutations coming. Why play Russian Roulette with CV when the vaccinations can create a REAL herd immunity?

[jimjamuser]

It's because they are Tough, and the Vaccine will weaken them!
That's a classic!

[dwhite5773]

When I was in the US Military you didn't have a choice. You got the vaccines weather you wanted them or not.
It’s because the vaccine is only authorized as an Emergency Use by the FDA. Once it is officially authorized and not as Emergency Use, trust me it will be administered to the US Military without question!

[jimjamuser]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I understood the shot only protects you from getting I'll from the virus, but doesnt keep you from carrying it or giving it to others. I believe that is why they say to continue wearing mask and social distancing?
Therefore, unless you actively have the virus, anyone, in any profession should have no reason not to go to work, especially if those around them have had the shots, as they are protected.
I believe that the newest research says that if vaccinated you do NOT give it to others.

[Love2Swim]

To anyone, don't want the Covid vaccine? Fine, just don't start whining when you find yourself on a ventilator.

And don't allow them in jobs where they can infect people who haven't been vaccinated.

[dwhite5773]

I am in favor of a draft for about 20 to 30 % of the military. The reason being that an all-volunteer army is MORE likely to try to overthrow a government than a partial civilian and drafted army. We have seen some strange things in recent years, so don't think the US is invulnerable to takeover.
Where in gods name would you ever get a stat that a all volunteer military is MORE likely too overthrow the government? ������ WTF?

[jimjamuser]

Well if the Naval Ship, has a 80% Covid positive, and unable to perform, and there was a issue, a solution is available.

Just recruit all the 65 to 85yo to replace them. Nothing like life experience, and a Covid shot, to keep our country safe
With good luck and the CV not mutating too much or effectively, most everyone that wants a vaccine in the US will have one according to Dr. Fauci by July 31st. So, it is UNLIKELY that the US will be engaged in an all-out conflict that soon. And even if (BIG IF) 80% of a carrier had CASES, many of those troops could still function in their jobs in an emergency. What we don't want is a situation in the US where hospitals are overcrowded and NOT functioning. That is why the CDC made their recommendation for hospital staff and then older Americans to get their shots EARLY. A DOMESTIC Hospital crowding problem is more LIKELY than a carrier absolutely NEEDING to engage in a war effort.

[asianthree]

:popcorn:With good luck and the CV not mutating too much or effectively, most everyone that wants a vaccine in the US will have one according to Dr. Fauci by July 31st. So, it is UNLIKELY that the US will be engaged in an all-out conflict that soon. And even if (BIG IF) 80% of a carrier had CASES, many of those troops could still function in their jobs in an emergency. What we don't want is a situation in the US where hospitals are overcrowded and NOT functioning. That is why the CDC made their recommendation for hospital staff and then older Americans to get their shots EARLY. A DOMESTIC Hospital crowding problem is more LIKELY than a carrier absolutely NEEDING to engage in a war effort.

Sooo you don’t think the military is a first responder?

When u were working at a healthcare facility, didn’t they handle correctly, and make a new Covid ward, when space was needed? Or were u in NY where the mismanaged fiasco was ever present.

[jimjamuser]

Where in gods name would you ever get a stat that a all volunteer military is MORE likely too overthrow the government? ������ WTF?
Mr. WTF, in God's name MANY countries have been overthrown by their military. Many countries have been overthrown by internal citizen voting (maybe corrupted) and internal revolution. The Russian communist revolution and the Cuban revolution. Do you expect me to provide a percentage of those military overthrows which happened under volunteer armies or those under drafted armies - and also combinations thereof? I will, of course, gladly comply. It may take me about 2 weeks once I get my powerful computers fully engaged and programmed up. Thank you for the challenge!

[jimjamuser]

:popcorn:

Sooo you don’t think the military is a first responder?

When u were working at a healthcare facility, didn’t they handle correctly, and make a new Covid ward, when space was needed? Or were u in NY where the mismanaged fiasco was ever present.
The small part of the Army and Army Reserves that are Medical personnel ARE 1st responders. But that is like 2% or less. I think they should be given the vaccine early. And NYC was an EARLY outlier where the Europeans should NOT have been allowed to travel to the US. It has little or zero to do with my opinion about old vs young people getting shots to avoid Hospital overcrowding.

[petiteone]

I don't remember what flu it was but it was a new one and the vaccine was new and had not been tested very long. We were given no choice, you will take the vaccine. I didn't have a seriously bad reaction to it but I remember feeling pretty lousy for a couple days. The risks of being an involuntary guinea pig! Back then there weren't many things you could opt out of in the military. A reaction means you were building antibodies better than most. That's good! (I'm a retired MD).

[Jean G]

Since sterility in young people is a known possible side effect from the vaccines, I am praying my son refuses the vaccines also.

[Velvet]

I hear the vaccine also makes you grow wings, that’s why I’m getting mine. ;)

WEBMD HEALTH NEWS
Why COVID Vaccines are Falsely Linked to Infertility

[44Apple]

Since sterility in young people is a known possible side effect from the vaccines, I am praying my son refuses the vaccines also.


Need a footnote for that one. Here come the UFOs.

[44Apple]

A reaction means you were building antibodies better than most. That's good! (I'm a retired MD).

I'm hoping the opposite is not true!

[jimjamuser]

Since sterility in young people is a known possible side effect from the vaccines, I am praying my son refuses the vaccines also.
When a person gets sick and dies from CV. That DEATH also renders them sterile to the best of MY knowledge. Possibly a DNA sample should be placed in extreme cold storage.

[jimjamuser]

I hear the vaccine also makes you grow wings, that’s why I’m getting mine. ;)

WEBMD HEALTH NEWS
Why COVID Vaccines are Falsely Linked to Infertility
Good one! Kudos.

[blueash]

Since sterility in young people is a known possible side effect from the vaccines, I am praying my son refuses the vaccines also.

This is completely false. Cite your source Jean. You are spreading a dangerous lie. You need to learn to research your claims. Your son should get the vaccine and not listen to his mother on this topic.

[coffeebean]

Well if the Naval Ship, has a 80% Covid positive, and unable to perform, and there was a issue, a solution is available.

Just recruit all the 65 to 85yo to replace them. Nothing like life experience, and a Covid shot, to keep our country safe

That made me chuckle. Point made, however. Well done!

[coffeebean]

I believe that the newest research says that if vaccinated you do NOT give it to others.

I heard that too, from Dr. Fauci's mouth, actually. He said there is growing evidence that the viral load of vaccinated people is very low and they will not be able to transmit the disease to others. I'm waiting for definite determination about this. If it is proven that vaccinated people can not transmit the disease, then masking will no longer be necessary for those folks who have been vaccinated.

As it is now, the new guideline is that a vaccinated person 2 weeks after the second shot does NOT have to quarantine if that vaccinated person is exposed to someone with Covid. That is great news and in line the "new evidence" that vaccinated people will not transmit the disease to others.

This is fantastic news for reaching herd immunity as long as enough people agree to be vaccinated. We could really put an end to this pandemic safely though vaccination.

[coffeebean]

Since sterility in young people is a known possible side effect from the vaccines, I am praying my son refuses the vaccines also.
Really? I have not heard this. Please post a link to this information. Thanks.

[Marty94]

There was an article in the Army Times yesterday that discussed this issue. It referenced a House Armed Services Committee hearing and implied that one third of DoD personnel have turned down the vaccine. It didn’t break down the numbers for each service branch nor did it differentiate between active duty military, reserve, national guard, civil service employees, and contractors. All are, however, accounted for in Covid statistics as DoD personnel.

The Army Times article titled, ‘Mandatory COVID-19 vaccination unlikely so long as supply remains low, Army health official says’, written by Kyle Rempfer, goes on to say, “There are a lot of reasons why soldiers may not be taking the vaccine, including a personal choice related to one’s medical history, unease with the vaccine’s approval process or disqualification by a physician, according to Army Inspector General Lt. Gen. Leslie Smith. “Or it could be that they just want to wait to see how others react to the vaccine,” Smith said Monday at the town hall. “It also could be that they simply missed their appointment. Individuals can also formally decline to get the vaccine without offering a reason at all.” In addition the article states, “Experts believe the vaccines are safe for women trying to become pregnant in the short- or long-term, but there’s still limited data about the safety for people who are pregnant or lactating, since those cases weren’t studied in the original vaccine trials.”

Thus, there are many reasons that DoD personnel are not getting immunized, but there are several facts that the article and perhaps other media outlets didn’t mention and took out of context from this hearing. First, when asked about the specific percentage of active duty military getting the vaccine, MGen Taliaferro stated in the hearing, “Acceptance rates are in the two thirds territory.” He went on to say that the “military had to prove they could operate in a pre-vaccine environment and have demonstrated they are fully capable of operating in a Covid environment.” When asked if troops were deployable, he confirmed they are deployable even if not vaccinated. “Readiness ratings have stayed at historic norms.” When asked specifically if troops were refusing the vaccine, he was very careful to state only an approximate acceptance rate because at present the vaccine is voluntary. If it were mandatory or a precondition of deployment, then you would have an actual refusal rate. In addition, he stated DoD is following the tiered approach. They do not have enough product to provide to everyone in DoD at this time.

My takeaway is that while committee members wanted to criticize the military for not making the vaccine mandatory, the military officers present did a great job by not engaging in this exchange and instead explained that military readiness has NOT been degraded, that they have adapted and overcome without the vaccine. If you have time, listen to the hearing. It’s available online. It gives you a tremendous appreciation for all the amazing work that DoD has done concerning Covid, from research to setting up mobile vaccine sites. Further, the military is following CDC guidelines for distribution. Not all active duty military are front line, operational or even mission essential forces. Many are young, healthy and very low risk. Many are attending schools or in training pipelines. Rep. Mark Green of Tennessee, physician and former US Army Major reminded the committee that there were laws in place that specifically prevented using experimental drugs on troops and the Covid vaccine is still experimental. I, for one, have tremendous respect for their approach. So take some time and listen to the hearing. Our military forces are simply the best in the world.

Full Committee Hearing: “Update on the Department of Defense’s Evolving Roles and Mission in Response to the COVID-19 Pandemic” - Hearings - House Armed Services Committee - Democrats (https://armedservices.house.gov/hearings?ID=FED6BC76-897D-4ED8-90E5-FAB967A55500)

[graciegirl]

Many had underlying conditions! Some didn't know they had. I guess the older we get the more susceptible we are to medical issues..... interesting that the WHO recently found over 13 Strains of this Virus in Dec of 2019...How long did Foreign Intelligence know about this! The crime is in the Cover-up.

I think you have incorrect information. Not even the WHO (World Health Organization) was aware of Covid-19 in December of 2019. That is when deaths from an unusual form of pneumonia were first being noticed in in China.

COVID-19 pandemic - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic)

[Tmarkwald]

Since sterility in young people is a known possible side effect from the vaccines, I am praying my son refuses the vaccines also.

Please provide references showing the proof

[coffeebean]

Please provide references showing the proof

This article claims the vaccines DO NOT cause infertility.........

The Covid-19 Vaccine Does Not Cause Infertility. Here’s Why People Think It Does. (https://www.forbes.com/sites/ninashapiro/2021/12/27/the-covid-19-vaccine-does-not-cause-infertility-heres-why-people-think-it-does/?sh=2095716668f5)

[joelfmi]

I am hearing a lot of bad reactions to the virus vaccinations injection some were life threating. which I hope are not true.

[Bucco]

I am hearing a lot of bad reactions to the virus vaccinations injection some were life threating. which I hope are not true.

I am sure you simply forgot to include some reference as to your source for this information.

Nobody would be so irresponsible and immature as to post something like this without good solid credibility.

[Tmarkwald]

I am hearing a lot of bad reactions to the virus vaccinations injection some were life threating. which I hope are not true.


there have been very few reaction in the 125 million that have had the vaccine, none life threatening or fatal. It is turning out to be the safest vaccine produced..

[Two Bills]

I am hearing a lot of bad reactions to the virus vaccinations injection some were life threating. which I hope are not true.:ohdear:

Wife and I had our second Pfizer shots on 5th of January.
Allthough we both feel fine, we are a little concerned about the Brussel Sprouts now growing from our ears.
Tests have shown we should have a lovely crop of onions about September! :icon_wink:

[Tmarkwald]

I'm hoping the opposite is not true!

No, that seems to be the norm. The more reaction, the more antibodies.

[Tmarkwald]

There's more good news on the Covid-19 front as new cases in the U.S. are down 73% since the peak on January 11 and cases in Canada are down 67% since the peak on January 9.

The Canadian cruise ban was retaliation for the Biden administration shutting down the Keystone XL pipeline project on the president's first day in office, prompting Alberta's premier, Jason Kenney, to call on prime minister Justin Trudeau to enact "proportional economic consequences" for the decision. A columnist for the Toronto-based National Post even suggested Canada "kneecap the Alaska cruise industry" by forbidding them from making stops in Canada, which would "decimate whole swaths of the American cruise industry."

The new, one-shot vaccine from Johnson & Johnson was approved by the FDA this past weekend and will be put to use immediately alongside the vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna. Merck will help produce the J&J vaccine and the expectation now is that every American adult who wants a vaccine will be able to get it by the end of May.

My Mid June the US could possibly be 100% Mask-Free.

[HRDave]

I was in Afghanistan when COVID19 hit. I can tell you for certain that you will choose to get the shot to avoid the hassle of not having it.

You fly in to Kuwait and you are placed in two weeks of isolation at a minimum depending on flights out. That is 14 days behind chain link with no internet with little to nothing to do. Depending on time of the year it's 120. Sure you have AC in your barracks with 119 of your friends but the novelty is over in four minutes. The AC is not something that your would call comfort cool, that is for certain.

Vaccine = 1 - 3 days in that desert paradise. Believe me you will do damn near anything to avoid any extended stays at Ali Al Saleem or Camp Arifjan, Kuwait.

I don't trust the MSM to understand that the Base Commander is god in theater not some O-5 in the pentagon. S/he sets the rules. S/he says vaccine required, you get the vaccine, no discussion, no democracy.

And so it should be. I’m sure the PLA or Russian Military do not give troops a choice. The US Military needs discipline, not political correctness! 😎

[Number 10 GI]

I would be up for stopping the excessive LIES on various internet sites and a TV channel.

If you eliminated all the lies on the internet and television you would be staring at a blank screen. There is no such thing as unbiased news.

[Bucco]

If you eliminated all the lies on the internet and television you would be staring at a blank screen. There is no such thing as unbiased news.

THAT IS NOT TRUE IN MY OPINION.

You have BIASED NEWS READERS AND WATCHERS who will not believe what they do not want to believe.

This is not new to us. Been like this for many many years. It is just that now we have become so divided and open to lies that as we watch or read anything, our internal bias tells us that is uncomfortable.

That is the reason for the various websites, etc who peddle is strictly lies and conspiracy theories. This kind of stuff used to be reserved for National Enquirer type agencies, but is now common and accepted by those who wish to do so.

There are many unbiased reporting of the NEWS and since human beings put this together they will err at times but not with facts.

Nobody should accept anything as gospel until you investigate the journalistic standards and practices of anyone you want to trust.

We never had to do that before but with the influx of folks who are "comfortable" liars, and successfully have avoided "consequences" for lying, actually get rewarded for it, we are stuck. Folks always speak of the "old days"....back when......but liars did not have their own networks, and those who wished to indulge in such things were restricted to the grocery store check out lines.

With the advent of the internet, the responsibility of the reader is vital.

I can find you truths with great ease, not MY truth, but THE TRUTH, based strictly on facts and nothing else. It is much more difficult to do that, and finding lies to fit what we want is so much easier.

[Number 10 GI]

Worked through AIDS, HIV and many other diseases that was I not vaccinated for and they had a much higher risk of death and I took the risk, to take care of others....no one cared then! Again, how dare anybody tell me what I should do with my body....or my profession....and a fall restraint harness is proven, and has nothing absolutely nothing to do with taking a vaccine....what a ridiculous comparison...

As far as I know there is no vaccine to protect you from AIDS or HIV. Flu shots have been proven to protect people from the different influenza viruses just like the safety equipment required in certain professions has been effective in reducing on the job injuries or death. You have made the ridiculous comparison.
When I did my first tour of duty in South Korea I was required to have a Yellow Fever, Cholera, Tetanus, and Plague booster shots before deployment. Just a couple months in country there was a Cholera outbreak among the Koreans in my area that killed a lot of people. On my compound there were many Korean civilian workers in the dining facilities, motor maintenance facilities, grounds keeping and building repair. Were we not vaccinated for these diseases Cholera could have been introduced by these workers and caused deaths in the military units stationed there. I was quite happy to have had the vaccine for it. If you were working in a hospital in this area in Korea would you not think it was necessary for you to be vaccinated for Cholera to prevent possible infection onto one of your patients?

[Byte1]

The military never gave you a choice before. Guess we have a new age, "progressive" military now. Oh well, they are allowing cross dressers now. And I thought Kinger on Mash was just comedy. Now we have real life comedy in the armed forces. Maybe they will do away with firearms and arm our military with paint ball weapons.