Fenney Rec Center Renovation

[HIgolfers]

I just received a Vmail that Fenney Rec Center will undergo renovations starting Mar 5. Plans include expanding the Fitness Center, adding card and club meeting room and billiards and shuffleboard. How could this Rec Center need renovations so quickly? And who pays for this? There is a link for more info to district.gov website so that tells me our Amenity fees are paying for this?

Is this typical? Developer builds a bare bones facility and then shortly after buildout of that area, expansion, renovation has to be funded by residents?

[vintageogauge]

It was not a bare bones facility, it was used as a sales office for over 3 years and is no longer needed in that capacity. This is not going to be funded by the residents, TV is still in control down here and this renovation was planned from day one.. This is a positive thing happening and you are making it out to be negative.

[Joe V.]

It was not a bare bones facility, it was used as a sales office for over 3 years and is no longer needed in that capacity. This is not going to be funded by the residents, TV is still in control down here and this renovation was planned from day one.. This is a positive thing happening and you are making it out to be negative.

What he said! :bigbow:

[Bogie Shooter]

i just received a vmail that fenney rec center will undergo renovations starting mar 5. Plans include expanding the fitness center, adding card and club meeting room and billiards and shuffleboard. How could this rec center need renovations so quickly? And who pays for this? There is a link for more info to district.gov website so that tells me our amenity fees are paying for this?

Is this typical? Developer builds a bare bones facility and then shortly after buildout of that area, expansion, renovation has to be funded by residents?

wow!

[Goldwingnut]

The developer owns the amenities south of SR44, they are responsible for 100% of the maintenance and operating costs, including ANY expansion costs. If you live south of SR44 your amenity fee is paid to the developer. The developer in turn pays the SLAD (Sumter Landing Amenity Division) and RAD (Recreation Amenities Division) the operating costs incurred by the Recreation Department to staff and operate the facilities for them.

Here's a little secret you may have forgotten since moving into your little bubble, the developer is doing all of this to make a profit! It's a business for them. Profit is not a dirty word, it is the reality that allowed each and every one of us living here to be able to live here, if you think otherwise, you are only fooling yourself.

So, let's get back to the question at hand, who is paying for this expansion? The reality is that the developer is paying for it out of their profits. Some will argue that the residents are paying for this, in a way you are correct, you signed a contract and agreed to pay the amenity fee for as long as you live here, get over it! Did you amenity fee go up because of this? NO. If the majority of the residents asked for this expansion, only then could the amenity fee be raised, read your deed restrictions, this is in there. Since they didn't ask for the expansion, the residents will not be impacted or charged for the expansion.

Are the Amenity Fees from north of SR44 paying for any of this? NO. These funds do not support the amenities south of SR44 because their amenity contracts are owned by either the SLAD or the RAD, NOT THE DEVELOPER. The developer owns the facilities and the amenity contracts with the residents. The residents do not own the amenities, or the amenity fee contracts so the statement by O P that "...our Amenity fee is paying for this" is incorrect, it is not "our" money to spend. The O P's final statement is also both incorrect and little more than biased and unsubstantiated developer bashing.

Take the time to learn how the system works before complaining about it or making false and unfounded statements out of ignorance.

One last thought, you should feed damn lucky that these expansions are being done for you and at no cost to you. The developer has no obligation or requirement to do the expansions and could have just as easily said no to this work and you would have not known the difference.

[Topspinmo]

The developer owns the amenities south of SR44, they are responsible for 100% of the maintenance and operating costs, including ANY expansion costs. If you live south of SR44 your amenity fee is paid to the developer. The developer in turn pays the SLAD (Sumter Landing Amenity Division) and RAD (Recreation Amenities Division) the operating costs incurred by the Recreation Department to staff and operate the facilities for them.

Here's a little secret you may have forgotten since moving into your little bubble, the developer is doing all of this to make a profit! It's a business for them. Profit is not a dirty word, it is the reality that allowed each and every one of us living here to be able to live here, if you think otherwise, you are only fooling yourself.

So, let's get back to the question at hand, who is paying for this expansion? The reality is that the developer is paying for it out of their profits. Some will argue that the residents are paying for this, in a way you are correct, you signed a contract and agreed to pay the amenity fee for as long as you live here, get over it! Did you amenity fee go up because of this? NO. If the majority of the residents asked for this expansion, only then could the amenity fee be raised, read your deed restrictions, this is in there. Since they didn't ask for the expansion, the residents will not be impacted or charged for the expansion.

Are the Amenity Fees from north of SR44 paying for any of this? NO. These funds do not support the amenities south of SR44 because their amenity contracts are owned by either the SLAD or the RAD, NOT THE DEVELOPER. The developer owns the facilities and the amenity contracts with the residents. The residents do not own the amenities, or the amenity fee contracts so the statement by O P that "...our Amenity fee is paying for this" is incorrect, it is not "our" money to spend. The O P's final statement is also both incorrect and little more than biased and unsubstantiated developer bashing.

Take the time to learn how the system works before complaining about it or making false and unfounded statements out of ignorance.

One last thought, you should feed damn lucky that these expansions are being done for you and at no cost to you. The developer has no obligation or requirement to do the expansions and could have just as easily said no to this work and you would have not known the difference.

So what you’re saying is “THE amenities FEES ARE PAYING FOR IT. So all living south of 44 are paying for it in roundabout way until the developers sell it to CDD for wrapping profit which residents paid for to begin with, please apologize for calling someone ignorant.

[vintageogauge]

The developer owns the amenities south of SR44, they are responsible for 100% of the maintenance and operating costs, including ANY expansion costs. If you live south of SR44 your amenity fee is paid to the developer. The developer in turn pays the SLAD (Sumter Landing Amenity Division) and RAD (Recreation Amenities Division) the operating costs incurred by the Recreation Department to staff and operate the facilities for them.

Here's a little secret you may have forgotten since moving into your little bubble, the developer is doing all of this to make a profit! It's a business for them. Profit is not a dirty word, it is the reality that allowed each and every one of us living here to be able to live here, if you think otherwise, you are only fooling yourself.

So, let's get back to the question at hand, who is paying for this expansion? The reality is that the developer is paying for it out of their profits. Some will argue that the residents are paying for this, in a way you are correct, you signed a contract and agreed to pay the amenity fee for as long as you live here, get over it! Did you amenity fee go up because of this? NO. If the majority of the residents asked for this expansion, only then could the amenity fee be raised, read your deed restrictions, this is in there. Since they didn't ask for the expansion, the residents will not be impacted or charged for the expansion.

Are the Amenity Fees from north of SR44 paying for any of this? NO. These funds do not support the amenities south of SR44 because their amenity contracts are owned by either the SLAD or the RAD, NOT THE DEVELOPER. The developer owns the facilities and the amenity contracts with the residents. The residents do not own the amenities, or the amenity fee contracts so the statement by O P that "...our Amenity fee is paying for this" is incorrect, it is not "our" money to spend. The O P's final statement is also both incorrect and little more than biased and unsubstantiated developer bashing.

Take the time to learn how the system works before complaining about it or making false and unfounded statements out of ignorance.

One last thought, you should feed damn lucky that these expansions are being done for you and at no cost to you. The developer has no obligation or requirement to do the expansions and could have just as easily said no to this work and you would have not known the difference.

And that's the name of that tune. Thanks for your usual educated explanation Don. By the way they are putting in the street lights and stop signs in Hammock.

[bob47]

The developer owns the amenities south of SR44, they are responsible for 100% of the maintenance and operating costs, including ANY expansion costs. If you live south of SR44 your amenity fee is paid to the developer. The developer in turn pays the SLAD (Sumter Landing Amenity Division) and RAD (Recreation Amenities Division) the operating costs incurred by the Recreation Department to staff and operate the facilities for them.

Here's a little secret you may have forgotten since moving into your little bubble, the developer is doing all of this to make a profit! It's a business for them. Profit is not a dirty word, it is the reality that allowed each and every one of us living here to be able to live here, if you think otherwise, you are only fooling yourself.

So, let's get back to the question at hand, who is paying for this expansion? The reality is that the developer is paying for it out of their profits. Some will argue that the residents are paying for this, in a way you are correct, you signed a contract and agreed to pay the amenity fee for as long as you live here, get over it! Did you amenity fee go up because of this? NO. If the majority of the residents asked for this expansion, only then could the amenity fee be raised, read your deed restrictions, this is in there. Since they didn't ask for the expansion, the residents will not be impacted or charged for the expansion.

Are the Amenity Fees from north of SR44 paying for any of this? NO. These funds do not support the amenities south of SR44 because their amenity contracts are owned by either the SLAD or the RAD, NOT THE DEVELOPER. The developer owns the facilities and the amenity contracts with the residents. The residents do not own the amenities, or the amenity fee contracts so the statement by O P that "...our Amenity fee is paying for this" is incorrect, it is not "our" money to spend. The O P's final statement is also both incorrect and little more than biased and unsubstantiated developer bashing.

Take the time to learn how the system works before complaining about it or making false and unfounded statements out of ignorance.

One last thought, you should feed damn lucky that these expansions are being done for you and at no cost to you. The developer has no obligation or requirement to do the expansions and could have just as easily said no to this work and you would have not known the difference.

I don't think what you're saying is strictly accurate because the developer's profits have not been established yet. They will be established when he sells the facilities to some central district. So, it's quite likely that the more he has spent on these facilities, the higher their valuation will be when they are sold.

[HIgolfers]

It was not a bare bones facility, it was used as a sales office for over 3 years and is no longer needed in that capacity. This is not going to be funded by the residents, TV is still in control down here and this renovation was planned from day one.. This is a positive thing happening and you are making it out to be negative.

No, I was asking a question. Thanks for all the responses.

[vintageogauge]

No, I was asking a question. Thanks for all the responses.

And you got an answer.

[CarrieOn]

It was not a bare bones facility, it was used as a sales office for over 3 years and is no longer needed in that capacity. This is not going to be funded by the residents, TV is still in control down here and this renovation was planned from day one.. This is a positive thing happening and you are making it out to be negative.
Heads up..this is going to happen to Everglades as well when the sales areas are no longer needed!! Good for us!! Not who’s paying for this.

[bncuhler@verizon.net]

Don, I have been wondering why there are no directional signs anywhere South of the Turnpike-coming in and out of the tunnels and along the multi-modal paths. All of Meggasin already has signs as does all of the areas between the Turnpike and 44. Is there someone we could contact to remedy this? It’s a safety issue and will be more important once the Water Lily bridge opens. Thank you!

[HoosierPa]

Retired people with too much spare time

[CarrieOn]

I just received a Vmail that Fenney Rec Center will undergo renovations starting Mar 5. Plans include expanding the Fitness Center, adding card and club meeting room and billiards and shuffleboard. How could this Rec Center need renovations so quickly? And who pays for this? There is a link for more info to district.gov website so that tells me our Amenity fees are paying for this?

Is this typical? Developer builds a bare bones facility and then shortly after buildout of that area, expansion, renovation has to be funded by residents?

This is where rumors start & stupid destructive documentaries are made..ugh

[Cobullymom]

The developer owns the amenities south of SR44, they are responsible for 100% of the maintenance and operating costs, including ANY expansion costs. If you live south of SR44 your amenity fee is paid to the developer. The developer in turn pays the SLAD (Sumter Landing Amenity Division) and RAD (Recreation Amenities Division) the operating costs incurred by the Recreation Department to staff and operate the facilities for them.

Here's a little secret you may have forgotten since moving into your little bubble, the developer is doing all of this to make a profit! It's a business for them. Profit is not a dirty word, it is the reality that allowed each and every one of us living here to be able to live here, if you think otherwise, you are only fooling yourself.

So, let's get back to the question at hand, who is paying for this expansion? The reality is that the developer is paying for it out of their profits. Some will argue that the residents are paying for this, in a way you are correct, you signed a contract and agreed to pay the amenity fee for as long as you live here, get over it! Did you amenity fee go up because of this? NO. If the majority of the residents asked for this expansion, only then could the amenity fee be raised, read your deed restrictions, this is in there. Since they didn't ask for the expansion, the residents will not be impacted or charged for the expansion.

Are the Amenity Fees from north of SR44 paying for any of this? NO. These funds do not support the amenities south of SR44 because their amenity contracts are owned by either the SLAD or the RAD, NOT THE DEVELOPER. The developer owns the facilities and the amenity contracts with the residents. The residents do not own the amenities, or the amenity fee contracts so the statement by O P that "...our Amenity fee is paying for this" is incorrect, it is not "our" money to spend. The O P's final statement is also both incorrect and little more than biased and unsubstantiated developer bashing.

Take the time to learn how the system works before complaining about it or making false and unfounded statements out of ignorance.

One last thought, you should feed damn lucky that these expansions are being done for you and at no cost to you. The developer has no obligation or requirement to do the expansions and could have just as easily said no to this work and you would have not known the difference.
Love this guy...thank you!

[Cobullymom]

I don't think what you're saying is strictly accurate because the developer's profits have not been established yet. They will be established when he sells the facilities to some central district. So, it's quite likely that the more he has spent on these facilities, the higher their valuation will be when they are sold.
And is there a problem with that? Not sure of your point...

[NY2TV]

The post was not making false statements or rumors. It was a question. Why is that a bad thing? If anyone is being negative here, it is the posters who are jumping all over this.

[merrymini]

I am always amazed at people who want improvements, whether in a community like this or not, and expect it to be FREE. I am always amazed that people think that a business should be run as a charity and scold them for making a PROFIT. I am amazed that people want these handouts from the government and think that it is FREE. You must always pay the piper and that bill will be passed to your grandchildren. Thank you granny/grandad!

[pkfavreau2]

Also noticed cracks in corners in one rec room. Maybe the foundation needs work too.

[Girlcopper]

I just received a Vmail that Fenney Rec Center will undergo renovations starting Mar 5. Plans include expanding the Fitness Center, adding card and club meeting room and billiards and shuffleboard. How could this Rec Center need renovations so quickly? And who pays for this? There is a link for more info to district.gov website so that tells me our Amenity fees are paying for this?

Is this typical? Developer builds a bare bones facility and then shortly after buildout of that area, expansion, renovation has to be funded by residents?
You have bare bones info. This has been planned. Plus, you ask who is paying then you say the amenity fees are paying. Seems you need to get the facts straight before complaining

[elevatorman]

The developer owns the amenities south of SR44, they are responsible for 100% of the maintenance and operating costs, including ANY expansion costs. If you live south of SR44 your amenity fee is paid to the developer. The developer in turn pays the SLAD (Sumter Landing Amenity Division) and RAD (Recreation Amenities Division) the operating costs incurred by the Recreation Department to staff and operate the facilities for them.

Here's a little secret you may have forgotten since moving into your little bubble, the developer is doing all of this to make a profit! It's a business for them. Profit is not a dirty word, it is the reality that allowed each and every one of us living here to be able to live here, if you think otherwise, you are only fooling yourself.

So, let's get back to the question at hand, who is paying for this expansion? The reality is that the developer is paying for it out of their profits. Some will argue that the residents are paying for this, in a way you are correct, you signed a contract and agreed to pay the amenity fee for as long as you live here, get over it! Did you amenity fee go up because of this? NO. If the majority of the residents asked for this expansion, only then could the amenity fee be raised, read your deed restrictions, this is in there. Since they didn't ask for the expansion, the residents will not be impacted or charged for the expansion.

Are the Amenity Fees from north of SR44 paying for any of this? NO. These funds do not support the amenities south of SR44 because their amenity contracts are owned by either the SLAD or the RAD, NOT THE DEVELOPER. The developer owns the facilities and the amenity contracts with the residents. The residents do not own the amenities, or the amenity fee contracts so the statement by O P that "...our Amenity fee is paying for this" is incorrect, it is not "our" money to spend. The O P's final statement is also both incorrect and little more than biased and unsubstantiated developer bashing.

Take the time to learn how the system works before complaining about it or making false and unfounded statements out of ignorance.

One last thought, you should feed damn lucky that these expansions are being done for you and at no cost to you. The developer has no obligation or requirement to do the expansions and could have just as easily said no to this work and you would have not known the difference.
Am I right to say that the $160 Amenity fee the people south of 44 belongs to the developer? If the developer can supply the amenities for less than this fee the remainder goes into his pocket? This is a question I honestly do not know.

[Syd2008]

Thank you as always GoldWingNut!!

[Bill32]

And you got an answer.

Ha..that will teach you to never post anything negative...kick....kick....kick.... " Welcome to the Villages"

[richs631]

The developer owns the amenities south of SR44, they are responsible for 100% of the maintenance and operating costs, including ANY expansion costs. If you live south of SR44 your amenity fee is paid to the developer. The developer in turn pays the SLAD (Sumter Landing Amenity Division) and RAD (Recreation Amenities Division) the operating costs incurred by the Recreation Department to staff and operate the facilities for them.

Here's a little secret you may have forgotten since moving into your little bubble, the developer is doing all of this to make a profit! It's a business for them. Profit is not a dirty word, it is the reality that allowed each and every one of us living here to be able to live here, if you think otherwise, you are only fooling yourself.

So, let's get back to the question at hand, who is paying for this expansion? The reality is that the developer is paying for it out of their profits. Some will argue that the residents are paying for this, in a way you are correct, you signed a contract and agreed to pay the amenity fee for as long as you live here, get over it! Did you amenity fee go up because of this? NO. If the majority of the residents asked for this expansion, only then could the amenity fee be raised, read your deed restrictions, this is in there. Since they didn't ask for the expansion, the residents will not be impacted or charged for the expansion.

Are the Amenity Fees from north of SR44 paying for any of this? NO. These funds do not support the amenities south of SR44 because their amenity contracts are owned by either the SLAD or the RAD, NOT THE DEVELOPER. The developer owns the facilities and the amenity contracts with the residents. The residents do not own the amenities, or the amenity fee contracts so the statement by O P that "...our Amenity fee is paying for this" is incorrect, it is not "our" money to spend. The O P's final statement is also both incorrect and little more than biased and unsubstantiated developer bashing.

Take the time to learn how the system works before complaining about it or making false and unfounded statements out of ignorance.

One last thought, you should feed damn lucky that these expansions are being done for you and at no cost to you. The developer has no obligation or requirement to do the expansions and could have just as easily said no to this work and you would have not known the difference.

With all due respect Goldwing nut, they only asked a question and never made any accusations. Why all the disparaging remarks. I agree with your answers but your remarks make you sound like the developers lawyer. Lighten up.

[hrydzik]

Well said. Thank you.

[Bogie Shooter]

Also noticed cracks in corners in one rec room. Maybe the foundation needs work too.

Posters on TOTV cannot really do anything about your observation. Perhaps you should contact the Rec Dept...................

[GPGuar]

With all due respect Goldwing nut, they only asked a question and never made any accusations. Why all the disparaging remarks. I agree with your answers but your remarks make you sound like the developers lawyer. Lighten up.

I agree Goldwing nut sounds just a little bit harsh to the op's post. But thanks Goldwing nut for the correct answer.

[Goldwingnut]

Don, I have been wondering why there are no directional signs anywhere South of the Turnpike-coming in and out of the tunnels and along the multi-modal paths. All of Meggasin already has signs as does all of the areas between the Turnpike and 44. Is there someone we could contact to remedy this? It’s a safety issue and will be more important once the Water Lily bridge opens. Thank you!

Most of the signage, areas north of SR44, was updated last year thought actions by the PWAC and AAC. South of SR44 the MMPs are still under control/construction by the developer, so PWAC/AAC has no say. We've pushed back for more standardization south of SR44 but have gotten little traction. More directional signs are needed, but at this point it is up to the developer to install them. Contact the District Office Customer Service center at 352-753-4508 and let them know your concerns, this will be forwarded to the developer by the District staff.

[Goldwingnut]

Am I right to say that the $160 Amenity fee the people south of 44 belongs to the developer? If the developer can supply the amenities for less than this fee the remainder goes into his pocket? This is a question I honestly do not know.

Correct, they may make a profit from the amenity fees they collect south of SR44. The profit only starts to happen when nearly all the homes are sold, until then they have all the costs to shoulder but not all of the revenue from the sold home amenity fees. The first few years the amenities in the new areas are a loss for that portion of their business.

[bncuhler@verizon.net]

Thanks, Don!

[Goldwingnut]

With all due respect Goldwing nut, they only asked a question and never made any accusations. Why all the disparaging remarks. I agree with your answers but your remarks make you sound like the developers lawyer. Lighten up.

I agree Goldwing nut sounds just a little bit harsh to the op's post. But thanks Goldwing nut for the correct answer.

Really no harsher than the negative tone taken by the OP. Yes, there were questions asked but they were heavily laced with negative inuendo and a hint of wrongdoing by the developer. As others have said, this was always in the plans. Just like buying a Big Mac at McDonalds, you don't own the store just because you bought lunch there.

Even if the amenities are sold to one of the central districts, the residents still have no ownership rights BUT we all then do have a say at what happens and what changes through our representatives on the AAC and PWAC.

[stebooo]

And the developer has a lot more money sincethey haven't built a championship golf course south of brownwood.

[Jacob85]

Actually it was a sales office that had to be converted to a regular rec center so that should be a sufficient answer

[Nick B]

Gotta love folks that defend the developer like a family member. It's a reaction to make them feel better about getting taken.

[CWGUY]

And the developer has a lot more money sincethey haven't built a championship golf course south of brownwood.

:ohdear: Wrong.

[CWGUY]

Gotta love folks that defend the developer like a family member. It's a reaction to make them feel better about getting taken.

:1rotfl: No, that's you. Me, I love the folks that bash and hate the Developer like a red headed step-child every chance they get. It's a reaction to make them feel better about not educating themselves on how the place operates. Some did little or no due diligence before buying. :ohdear:

[Bogie Shooter]

And the developer has a lot more money sincethey haven't built a championship golf course south of brownwood.

You are so out of the loop.......

[Bogie Shooter]

Gotta love folks that defend the developer like a family member. It's a reaction to make them feel better about getting taken.

:1rotfl: No, that's you. Me, I love the folks that bash and hate the Developer like a red headed step-child every chance they get. It's a reaction to make them feel better about not educating themselves on how the place operates. Some did little or no due diligence before buying. :ohdear:

I agree with CW!
BTW Nick if you feel you got taken what is keeping you here?

[cjhosler]

The developer owns the amenities south of SR44, they are responsible for 100% of the maintenance and operating costs, including ANY expansion costs. If you live south of SR44 your amenity fee is paid to the developer. The developer in turn pays the SLAD (Sumter Landing Amenity Division) and RAD (Recreation Amenities Division) the operating costs incurred by the Recreation Department to staff and operate the facilities for them.

Here's a little secret you may have forgotten since moving into your little bubble, the developer is doing all of this to make a profit! It's a business for them. Profit is not a dirty word, it is the reality that allowed each and every one of us living here to be able to live here, if you think otherwise, you are only fooling yourself.

So, let's get back to the question at hand, who is paying for this expansion? The reality is that the developer is paying for it out of their profits. Some will argue that the residents are paying for this, in a way you are correct, you signed a contract and agreed to pay the amenity fee for as long as you live here, get over it! Did you amenity fee go up because of this? NO. If the majority of the residents asked for this expansion, only then could the amenity fee be raised, read your deed restrictions, this is in there. Since they didn't ask for the expansion, the residents will not be impacted or charged for the expansion.

Are the Amenity Fees from north of SR44 paying for any of this? NO. These funds do not support the amenities south of SR44 because their amenity contracts are owned by either the SLAD or the RAD, NOT THE DEVELOPER. The developer owns the facilities and the amenity contracts with the residents. The residents do not own the amenities, or the amenity fee contracts so the statement by O P that "...our Amenity fee is paying for this" is incorrect, it is not "our" money to spend. The O P's final statement is also both incorrect and little more than biased and unsubstantiated developer bashing.

Take the time to learn how the system works before complaining about it or making false and unfounded statements out of ignorance.

One last thought, you should feed damn lucky that these expansions are being done for you and at no cost to you. The developer has no obligation or requirement to do the expansions and could have just as easily said no to this work and you would have not known the difference.
You are absolutely correct...on all points. People would much rather complain that get the facts.

[cjhosler]

It was not a bare bones facility, it was used as a sales office for over 3 years and is no longer needed in that capacity. This is not going to be funded by the residents, TV is still in control down here and this renovation was planned from day one.. This is a positive thing happening and you are making it out to be negative.
Completely agree. Some people just aren’t happy unless they’re complaining.

[CWGUY]

And the developer has a lot more money sincethey haven't built a championship golf course south of brownwood.

:icon_wink: Instead of hating you might try thinking about what you said.

1. The Villages is in the middle of building a new course at the south end. That's a fact.

2. This is not a fact.... but I have heard it costs approx. 1 million dollars a hole to build a golf course. I really don't know or care. Now, how many homes are on an average hole on a golf course? What is the average premium on each of these building lots? Now do you still think they are making money by not building as much golf as before? I think they are losing money. Oh and don't forget something they know that you probably don't.....golf is on the decline in the US in a big way. Try Google and ask how many golf courses are closing each year?

Here's one - There Aren't Enough Golfers To Keep All Of The U.S. Courses In Business : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2019/06/05/730057491/there-arent-enough-golfers-to-keep-all-of-the-u-s-courses-in-business)

[laboutj]

I agree with CW!
BTW Nick if you feel you got taken what is keeping you here?

Agreed. If there are so many unhappy people that do nothing but complain, I'm sure you could sell and move someplace else and make a tidy profit on their home. It is America, you are free to go.

[CWGUY]

Agreed. If there are so many unhappy people that do nothing but complain, I'm sure you could sell and move someplace else and make a tidy profit on their home. It is America, you are free to go.

:agree: And I like to say " I-95 has a North bound lane too!" :1rotfl:

[vintageogauge]

With all due respect Goldwing nut, they only asked a question and never made any accusations. Why all the disparaging remarks. I agree with your answers but your remarks make you sound like the developers lawyer. Lighten up.

The OP is more like a statement at the end with the ? seeming to be asking why? A very negative statement and he probably doesn't even live in Fenney.

[FenneyFanatic]

I have two problems with the plan. First, there is no sign of the cafe we all love so much. Secondly, you have to walk through the room with the pool tables to get to the lanai. That is very distracting.. However, I am confident that it will look amazing when completed. I know the developer has created a remarkable environment here and rather than cast ill-informed aspersions, I choose to revel in my good fortune to have a home in such a beautiful place.

[vintageogauge]

Gotta love folks that defend the developer like a family member. It's a reaction to make them feel better about getting taken.

I don't always defend the developer but in this case I am, they are making improvements that those of us living in Fenney and soon to be built Hammock will enjoy for years. We bought in Fenney when it first opened and I never felt like I was taken, as a matter of fact the deals that we early buyers got down here will most likely never be available again. Many of the early homes in Fenney are being sold at up to 60% more than the original cost in less than 4 years, that is not "getting taken" and I thank the developer for giving us that opportunity.

[FenneyFanatic]

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[Dilligas]

This is where rumors start & stupid destructive documentaries are made..ugh
If your amenity fees were increased, your question is valid....without an increase, you are stirring the pot. I don't understand why people move to TV for the lifestyle and then complain and want to change TV to something similar to what they left somewhere else. The Developer has had a vision for 40 years and has enhanced that vision as time went on...everything has gotten better. The Developer has a business and will make a profit, or else pack it up. We don't want the latter.

[graciegirl]

Gotta love folks that defend the developer like a family member. It's a reaction to make them feel better about getting taken.

I was looking back at your previous posts and found this;

"Comic Sans MS"]Posted By Nick B[/B]
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[UAlways makes me laugh villagers brag about be paying ,$400,000 for a house and shop at discount store[/U].

I have always found a correlation to having a little extra money and shopping for bargains and savings.

I am a careful consumer and I do not feel in any way "taken" by living here in The Villages. On the other hand I am constantly amazed at how the Morses appear to try to continue to improve things as time goes on.

[mulligan]

All that being said, when you consider the current size, and potential for growth, would it not be time to consider withdrawing from all 3 counties, liquidate the CDD's , and incorporate as a town/city or perhaps even a county ??? I would think it would be worth considering.

[Bogie Shooter]

all that being said, when you consider the current size, and potential for growth, would it not be time to consider withdrawing from all 3 counties, liquidate the cdd's , and incorporate as a town/city or perhaps even a county ??? I would think it would be worth considering.

no, no, no!

[Pricey]

It was not a bare bones facility, it was used as a sales office for over 3 years and is no longer needed in that capacity. This is not going to be funded by the residents, TV is still in control down here and this renovation was planned from day one.. This is a positive thing happening and you are making it out to be negative.

It seems that re-purposing a set of sales offices to provide better space usage for residents was a good idea, and planning in advance for that change as well as any necessary expansion to the premises was thoughtful and constructive.

I've been to the beautiful Everglades Recreation Center, and it also has sales offices. I can easily see those rooms being re-purposed in the future to benefit the residents.

Zooming to the north end of TV, I sometimes passed by some beautiful buildings near Spanish Springs. I only just drove right to the front of them and it's the La Hacienda Recreation Center facilities! OhMyGoodness, this facility is available to me - just like all the others.

I'm constantly blown away by all the thoughtfully created and well-appointed Recreation Centers. I use several of the Recreation Centers regularly, for swimming and lounging, water volleyball, club activities, playing pool, etc.

It's definitely worth every penny to have bought our retirement home here!

[Pricey]

Gotta love folks that defend the developer like a family member. It's a reaction to make them feel better about getting taken.

I dunno.
Where I came from (way out west) condo homeowner fees go upward of $450 PER MONTH and that's for just your one facility. I appreciate the well maintained variety and availability of the dozens and dozens and dozens of choices here.
For me, it's a bargain.

[Number 10 GI]

Agreed. If there are so many unhappy people that do nothing but complain, I'm sure you could sell and move someplace else and make a tidy profit on their home. It is America, you are free to go.

Apparently there is a Utopia some where that all the complainers are judging TV against. My advice to them is to move to that "Utopia" and tell the rest of us just how wonderful it is and what we are missing.

[Number 10 GI]

All that being said, when you consider the current size, and potential for growth, would it not be time to consider withdrawing from all 3 counties, liquidate the CDD's , and incorporate as a town/city or perhaps even a county ??? I would think it would be worth considering.

I seriously doubt it would be legally possible to create a new county out of the counties that TV is located in.
Create a city government and watch your "fees" for living in that city go through the roof. The only thing a politician is good for is raising taxes for pet projects that will buy votes to keep them in office.

[graciegirl]

All that being said, when you consider the current size, and potential for growth, would it not be time to consider withdrawing from all 3 counties, liquidate the CDD's , and incorporate as a town/city or perhaps even a county ??? I would think it would be worth considering.

And then you have all of the problems that occur in places like Ocala and Jacksonville and Daytona and none of the benefits and low crime we have here.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

[Marathon Man]

Gotta love folks that defend the developer like a family member. It's a reaction to make them feel better about getting taken.

Gotta love people that criticize those that are happy and satisfied with their lives. Trying to make themselves feel better about not be happy and satisfied.

[Bogie Shooter]

Gotta love folks that defend the developer like a family member. It's a reaction to make them feel better about getting taken.

I don’t feel like I was taken, do you?

[Topspinmo]

It seems that re-purposing a set of sales offices to provide better space usage for residents was a good idea, and planning in advance for that change as well as any necessary expansion to the premises was thoughtful and constructive.

I've been to the beautiful Everglades Recreation Center, and it also has sales offices. I can easily see those rooms being re-purposed in the future to benefit the residents.

Zooming to the north end of TV, I sometimes passed by some beautiful buildings near Spanish Springs. I only just drove right to the front of them and it's the La Hacienda Recreation Center facilities! OhMyGoodness, this facility is available to me - just like all the others.

I'm constantly blown away by all the thoughtfully created and well-appointed Recreation Centers. I use several of the Recreation Centers regularly, for swimming and lounging, water volleyball, club activities, playing pool, etc.

It's definitely worth every penny to have bought our retirement home here!

So where was the fenney regional rec center built?

[Topspinmo]

:ohdear: Wrong.

Well, they may not have in hand, but it’s in the bush and it sprouting roots.

[Topspinmo]

And then you have all of the problems that occur in places like Ocala and Jacksonville and Daytona and none of the benefits and low crime we have here.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

That might change after all the apartments being built just outside the bubble get filled?

[cypress]

Wow. All this jabbering and the only thing I'm thinking is that I will miss the coffee shop that will not be returning after the renovation.

[vintageogauge]

Wow. All this jabbering and the only thing I'm thinking is that I will miss the coffee shop that will not be returning after the renovation.

Are you really, I mean really sure there won't be a coffee shop at the Rec. Center? Or are you just interpreting the drawings released showing the new interior?

[cypress]

Are you really, I mean really sure there won't be a coffee shop at the Rec. Center? Or are you just interpreting the drawings released showing the new interior?

Woman behind the counter told us today that it will be gone and she will be going back to Fenney Grill to work.

[Altavia]

There will be a Reveille coffee shop at Magnolia Plaza.

Menus | Reveille Cafe (https://reveillecafe.com/menus/)

[Topspinmo]

Wow. All this jabbering and the only thing I'm thinking is that I will miss the coffee shop that will not be returning after the renovation.

Most rec centers I’ve been offer coffee back in kitchen. Why would fenney rec center be different?