Wear mask after vaccination

[popbaby2]

Please wear a mask and continue precautions after getting your vaccination. You can still get covid-19 and pass it on. You would probably be asymtomatic.
Vaccination
1. WILL NOT Protect you 100%
2. WILL protect you from getting it bad and killing you

Pay attention to the SCIENCE!!!!!

[golfing eagles]

Please wear a mask and continue precautions after getting your vaccination. You can still get covid-19 and pass it on. You would probably be asymtomatic.
Vaccination
1. WILL NOT Protect you 100%
2. WILL protect you from getting it bad and killing you

Pay attention to the SCIENCE!!!!!

And here we have another one. The vaccine will give immunity to about 95% of the people who get it. If you are in the 95%, YOU CANNOT GET THE VIRUS AND YOU CANNOT PASS IT ON
If you are in the 5%, It's like you never were vaccinated.

So again, I'll re-post what I wrote on another COVID thread-----

Why does this idiotic rumor keep spreading????? Again, I challenge ANYONE to cite a reputable source for this nonsense.

Think of it this way-----why would all the "experts" be pushing the vaccines as the method of obtaining herd immunity and ending this pandemic if the vaccines did not confer immunity. Why spend billions on vaccines that only prevent "death" in the 0.3% of the people who would actually die from it. In fact, in a cold-hearted but social Darwinian model, why keep people who can spread the virus alive?

Yet , on just about every COVID thread, some yahoo pops up with the "the vaccine only decreases severity of illness and reduces the chance of death" Use your brains, please.

[Byte1]

And here we have another one. The vaccine will give immunity to about 95% of the people who get it. If you are in the 95%, YOU CANNOT GET THE VIRUS AND YOU CANNOT PASS IT ON
If you are in the 5%, It's like you never were vaccinated.

So again, I'll re-post what I wrote on another COVID thread-----

Why does this idiotic rumor keep spreading????? Again, I challenge ANYONE to cite a reputable source for this nonsense.

Think of it this way-----why would all the "experts" be pushing the vaccines as the method of obtaining herd immunity and ending this pandemic if the vaccines did not confer immunity. Why spend billions on vaccines that only prevent "death" in the 0.3% of the people who would actually die from it. In fact, in a cold-hearted but social Darwinian model, why keep people who can spread the virus alive?

Yet , on just about every COVID thread, some yahoo pops up with the "the vaccine only decreases severity of illness and reduces the chance of death" Use your brains, please.

Thank you. I guess there are those that the glass will always and ALWAYS be half empty.
Must be a lot of idiots out there if they are willing to get TWO shots, with miserable side effects, thinking that if they are around anyone infected that they will get infected but only get a little sick. Some folks should have to wear a sign that warns others that they do not use their brain to function day to day. It must be from Global Warming, I mean Climate Change, or is it Man Made Climate Change? Proof that some folks' wind mills have frozen solid, not just in Texas. :1rotfl:

[Tmarkwald]

And here we have another one. The vaccine will give immunity to about 95% of the people who get it. If you are in the 95%, YOU CANNOT GET THE VIRUS AND YOU CANNOT PASS IT ON
If you are in the 5%, It's like you never were vaccinated.

So again, I'll re-post what I wrote on another COVID thread-----

Why does this idiotic rumor keep spreading????? Again, I challenge ANYONE to cite a reputable source for this nonsense.

Think of it this way-----why would all the "experts" be pushing the vaccines as the method of obtaining herd immunity and ending this pandemic if the vaccines did not confer immunity. Why spend billions on vaccines that only prevent "death" in the 0.3% of the people who would actually die from it. In fact, in a cold-hearted but social Darwinian model, why keep people who can spread the virus alive?

Yet , on just about every COVID thread, some yahoo pops up with the "the vaccine only decreases severity of illness and reduces the chance of death" Use your brains, please.

Yeah, I am getting tired of hearing the nonsense as well. The vaccine 'takes' on about 95% of the people. They cannot get the virus. Period.

As far as masks?

I've said in other pages as well that once everyone who wants the vaccine has it, we can take them off for sure. I'm not running around with a mask on to protect the health of some foolish enough to refuse to get vaccinated. That is Darwin at his greatest.

[Stu from NYC]

Has there been a study that definitely tells us you cannot give someone the virus after taking both shots of the vaccine?

[golfing eagles]

Has there been a study that definitely tells us you cannot give someone the virus after taking both shots of the vaccine?

Several. There is a lingering concern that a vaccinated person could come across the virus and harbor it for a limited period of time in their nasopharynx, those studies concluded that more study is needed.

Keep in mind it takes about 12 days after vaccination to achieve immunity and during that time you can still get and spread COVID, so continue to wear a mask for, lets say 2 weeks after 2nd dose.

[Byte1]

Has there been a study that definitely tells us you cannot give someone the virus after taking both shots of the vaccine?

I've read one from Israel, but I am not an expert or even a medical professional. I have however, stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
From what I got from the Israeli study, ingestion of the virus after being inoculated will kill the virus (spores?) so that you should not be able to contract the disease or communicate it to others.

[Byte1]

Several. There is a lingering concern that a vaccinated person could come across the virus and harbor it for a limited period of time in their nasopharynx, those studies concluded that more study is needed.

Keep in mind it takes about 12 days after vaccination to achieve immunity and during that time you can still get and spread COVID, so continue to wear a mask for, lets say 2 weeks after 2nd dose.

Correct me if I am mistaken, but my understanding from new sources indicate that after the first shot, one is effectively immune up to around 80%. If true, that would mean that the second shot (booster?) would greatly enhance one's immunity. And I also saw the revised time to boosted immunity after the second shot as about 12 days.

Like I said before, I can only base my information on what I have read and what little I can comprehend of the technical details.

By the way, did you see the Israeli study of their nasal spray? They have been testing it here in the U.S. and it looks to be 99.99% effective in KILLING the virus if inhaled via the nostril. If so, it may also be a game changer for the morphing virus as it is "supposed" to kill all viruses when they come into contact with the spray. The spray is supposed to be some substance that turns into a protecting gel that coats the inside of the nose. Hey, I can only describe it as I see it, not being a medical professional.

[Stu from NYC]

We have had the first does of vaccine and the second in 7 days. Will give it a few weeks after that and than will start going to shows so we can finally enjoy the entertainment.

At the moment it appears we will continue to wear the masks but for how long, who knows/

[Tmarkwald]

Has there been a study that definitely tells us you cannot give someone the virus after taking both shots of the vaccine?

Scientific studies suggest that taking two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines is very important for achieving the antibody response to provide protection and create lasting immunity.


https://healthmatters.nyp.org/covid-19-vaccines-and-immunity/

[coffeebean]

And here we have another one. The vaccine will give immunity to about 95% of the people who get it. If you are in the 95%, YOU CANNOT GET THE VIRUS AND YOU CANNOT PASS IT ON
If you are in the 5%, It's like you never were vaccinated.

So again, I'll re-post what I wrote on another COVID thread-----

Why does this idiotic rumor keep spreading????? Again, I challenge ANYONE to cite a reputable source for this nonsense.

Think of it this way-----why would all the "experts" be pushing the vaccines as the method of obtaining herd immunity and ending this pandemic if the vaccines did not confer immunity. Why spend billions on vaccines that only prevent "death" in the 0.3% of the people who would actually die from it. In fact, in a cold-hearted but social Darwinian model, why keep people who can spread the virus alive?

Yet , on just about every COVID thread, some yahoo pops up with the "the vaccine only decreases severity of illness and reduces the chance of death" Use your brains, please.

GE.....you know I value your expertise, but I'm sort of confused by this. Everything I have read about these mRNA vaccines states that no moderate to severe disease has been reported in anyone who has been fully vaccinated and has waited the two weeks after the second shot. In other words, it is reported that there have been no hospitalizations in people who have been fully vaccinated and no reported deaths directly related to the mRNA vaccines.

My understanding, which may be totally wrong so I'm referring to you for guidance, is that everyone who is vaccinated benefits from the mRNA vaccines in that they are protected from severe disease and death. I did not take those efficacy percentages to mean that 5% of totally vaccinated people have no protection at all and it is if they were not vaccinated at all. This statement dismays me.

I was eager to be vaccinated so I would feel assured that at least I won't die of Covid directly or even be hospitalized with severe disease. What you have said has dashed that feeling of security for me.

[coffeebean]

Has there been a study that definitely tells us you cannot give someone the virus after taking both shots of the vaccine?

This new information has come from Israel who is using the Pfizer vaccine exclusively. I saw Dr. Fauci on TV nearly two weeks ago say that this new evidence is showing that fully vaccinated people are not transmitting the virus to others. Dr. Fauci said this may be because a fully vaccinated person has a low viral load in their naso -pharynx and can not transmit the virus to others. More study has to be done so this claim can be verified. I thought this was great news when I heard Dr. Fauci give us this information. I'm very encouraged.

To me, this means that if it is determined that fully vaccinated people can not transmit the disease, the masks can come off and distancing will not be as critical as it is now. That is just my gut feeling and nothing is written in stone.

Also, coming from the CDC with this news that was made available from Israel, is this......

CDC Says Fully Vaccinated People Do Not Need to Quarantine | Health.com (https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/cdc-vaccine-quarantine)

IMHO, this is all the more reason for as many people to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity safely.

[coffeebean]

Correct me if I am mistaken, but my understanding from new sources indicate that after the first shot, one is effectively immune up to around 80%. If true, that would mean that the second shot (booster?) would greatly enhance one's immunity. And I also saw the revised time to boosted immunity after the second shot as about 12 days.

Like I said before, I can only base my information on what I have read and what little I can comprehend of the technical details.

By the way, did you see the Israeli study of their nasal spray? They have been testing it here in the U.S. and it looks to be 99.99% effective in KILLING the virus if inhaled via the nostril. If so, it may also be a game changer for the morphing virus as it is "supposed" to kill all viruses when they come into contact with the spray. The spray is supposed to be some substance that turns into a protecting gel that coats the inside of the nose. Hey, I can only describe it as I see it, not being a medical professional.

That is great news about the nasal spray if, in fact, it really does work as you described. However, just wondering if this "gel" that will form inside the nose will make a a bit difficult to breathe. Inquiring minds want to know.

[coffeebean]

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[coffeebean]

Golfing Eagles.....Please read paragraph 1 of this article. It explains how the efficacy percentages work for the mRNA vaccines. This is what I have thought all along how the protective immunity works for fully vaccinated people.......

https://healthmatters.nyp.org/covid-19-vaccines-and-immunity/

[Velvet]

This is what the article says:

“1. The vaccines are 95% effective and may help reduce the severity of the disease.

In Phase 3 studies, both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines were found to be 95% effective in the early months after the vaccine. Put simply, “If there were 100 people who would have gotten COVID, it prevented 95 of them from getting it, but it didn’t prevent all 100,” says Dr. Marks. “It definitely provides some protection, but it’s not perfect.”

The good news is that early data found that those who did contract COVID-19 after receiving the vaccine did not develop a severe form of the disease. “So even if it doesn’t completely prevent illness, the study data shows that it does reduce the severity,” says Dr. Marks.”

Without the actual numbers, these statements are a bit vague and can be interpreted differently. My understanding is that 95% of the people who were vaccinated did not get Covid, but 5% did. And those who did get Covid after they were fully inoculated, had “reduced severity”. So they did not die (in my language).



If there is a different interpretation I’d like to hear it.

[popbaby2]

And here we have another one. The vaccine will give immunity to about 95% of the people who get it. If you are in the 95%, YOU CANNOT GET THE VIRUS AND YOU CANNOT PASS IT ON
If you are in the 5%, It's like you never were vaccinated.

So again, I'll re-post what I wrote on another COVID thread-----

Why does this idiotic rumor keep spreading????? Again, I challenge ANYONE to cite a reputable source for this nonsense.

Think of it this way-----why would all the "experts" be pushing the vaccines as the method of obtaining herd immunity and ending this pandemic if the vaccines did not confer immunity. Why spend billions on vaccines that only prevent "death" in the 0.3% of the people who would actually die from it. In fact, in a cold-hearted but social Darwinian model, why keep people who can spread the virus alive?

Yet , on just about every COVID thread, some yahoo pops up with the "the vaccine only decreases severity of illness and reduces the chance of death" Use your brains, please.

I'm not a yahoo. After vaccination, you have a 95% chance of being immune. But you can still get it (5% change) and pass it on, but its likely to be milder. As per this article posted by someone else.
https://healthmatters.nyp.org/covid-19-vaccines-and-immunity/

Another article:
Episode #23 - I am vaccinated, what next? (https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/media-resources/science-in-5/episode-23---i-am-vaccinated-what-next?gclid=CjwKCAiA1eKBBhBZEiwAX3gql6U24Wkfq8jyOVe CNY28VPHUazBGOluq-SzBNrX4pzTTkJgzmOtG1RoCaCUQAvD_BwE)

[coffeebean]

This is what the article says:

“1. The vaccines are 95% effective and may help reduce the severity of the disease.

In Phase 3 studies, both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines were found to be 95% effective in the early months after the vaccine. Put simply, “If there were 100 people who would have gotten COVID, it prevented 95 of them from getting it, but it didn’t prevent all 100,” says Dr. Marks. “It definitely provides some protection, but it’s not perfect.”

The good news is that early data found that those who did contract COVID-19 after receiving the vaccine did not develop a severe form of the disease. “So even if it doesn’t completely prevent illness, the study data shows that it does reduce the severity,” says Dr. Marks.”

Without the actual numbers, these statements are a bit vague and can be interpreted differently. My understanding is that 95% of the people who were vaccinated did not get Covid, but 5% did. And those who did get Covid after they were fully inoculated, had “reduced severity”. So they did not die (in my language).



If there is a different interpretation I’d like to hear it.

I agree with your interpretation. That is how I see it. I figure, now that I'm fully vaccinated, if I do contract Covid, I'm in that unlucky 5%. But being unlucky is not all THAT bad because I won't have severe disease so I won't need hospitalization and I won't die directly from Covid.

I don't want to be naive to think that there won't be deaths but just not directly from Covid. Deaths from heart attacks, cancer and all sort of co-morbidites could do anyone in but it won't be a direct result from Covid. My opinion, of course.

[Stu from NYC]

I agree with your interpretation. That is how I see it. I figure, now that I'm fully vaccinated, if I do contract Covid, I'm in that unlucky 5%. But being unlucky is not all THAT bad because I won't have severe disease so I won't need hospitalization and I won't die directly from Covid.

I don't want to be naive to think that there won't be deaths but just not directly from Covid. Deaths from heart attacks, cancer and all sort of co-morbidites could do anyone in but it won't be a direct result from Covid. My opinion, of course.

Hopefully sooner rather than later they can tell if we are in the unlucky 5%.

[shut the front door]

According to the government... If I get vaccinated: 💉💉💉

1.- Can I stop wearing the mask?
Government Response - No

2.- Can they reopen restaurants, pubs, bars etc and everyone work normally?
Government Response - No

3.- Will I be resistant to covid?
Government Response - Maybe, but we don't know exactly, it probably won't stop you getting it

4.- At least I won't be contagious to others anymore?
Government Response - No you can still pass it on, possibly, nobody knows.

5.- If we vaccinate all children, will school resume normally?
Government Response - No

6.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?
Government Response - No

7.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop disinfecting my hands?
Government Response - No

8.- If I vaccinate myself and my grandfather, can we hug each other?
Government Response - No

9.- Will cinemas, theatres and stadiums be reopened normally thanks to vaccines?
Government Response - No

10.- Will the vaccinated be able to gather?
Government Response - No

11.- What is the real benefit of vaccination?
Government Response - The virus won't kill you.

12.- Are you sure it won't kill me?
Government Response - No

13.- If statistically the virus won't kill me anyway ... Why would I get vaccinated?"
Government Response - To protect others.

14.- So if I get vaccinated, the others are 100% sure I'm not infecting them?
Government Response - No

So to summarise, the Covid19 vaccine...

Does not give immunity.
Does not eliminate the virus.
Does not prevent death.
Does not guarantee you won’t get it.
Does not prevent you from getting it.
Does not stop you passing it on
Does not eliminate the need for travel bans.
Does not eliminate the need for business closures.
Does not eliminate the need for lockdowns.
Does not eliminate the need for masking.

So...what the heck is it actually doing? 🤦🏼*♂️🤷🏼*♂️

[coffeebean]

According to the government... If I get vaccinated: 💉💉💉

1.- Can I stop wearing the mask?
Government Response - No

2.- Can they reopen restaurants, pubs, bars etc and everyone work normally?
Government Response - No

3.- Will I be resistant to covid?
Government Response - Maybe, but we don't know exactly, it probably won't stop you getting it

4.- At least I won't be contagious to others anymore?
Government Response - No you can still pass it on, possibly, nobody knows.

5.- If we vaccinate all children, will school resume normally?
Government Response - No

6.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?
Government Response - No

7.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop disinfecting my hands?
Government Response - No

8.- If I vaccinate myself and my grandfather, can we hug each other?
Government Response - No

9.- Will cinemas, theatres and stadiums be reopened normally thanks to vaccines?
Government Response - No

10.- Will the vaccinated be able to gather?
Government Response - No

11.- What is the real benefit of vaccination?
Government Response - The virus won't kill you.

12.- Are you sure it won't kill me?
Government Response - No

13.- If statistically the virus won't kill me anyway ... Why would I get vaccinated?"
Government Response - To protect others.

14.- So if I get vaccinated, the others are 100% sure I'm not infecting them?
Government Response - No

So to summarise, the Covid19 vaccine...

Does not give immunity.
Does not eliminate the virus.
Does not prevent death.
Does not guarantee you won’t get it.
Does not prevent you from getting it.
Does not stop you passing it on
Does not eliminate the need for travel bans.
Does not eliminate the need for business closures.
Does not eliminate the need for lockdowns.
Does not eliminate the need for masking.

So...what the heck is it actually doing? 🤦🏼*♂️🤷🏼*♂️

This post looks mighty familiar to me. In fact, I believe I have already responded to this post in another thread.

My response is.....you won't die. That is a pretty good benefit from the vaccine.

[tsmall22204]

So many experts. So much contradiction. I feel the best advice comes from the medical EXPERTS.

[Cobullymom]

Please wear a mask and continue precautions after getting your vaccination. You can still get covid-19 and pass it on. You would probably be asymtomatic.
Vaccination
1. WILL NOT Protect you 100%
2. WILL protect you from getting it bad and killing you

Pay attention to the SCIENCE!!!!!
Oh lord here we go again...as if we all need another dictating what to do with our lives...I thankfully get up everyday and go about my life, and have since all of this started...I am still alive and kicking. No vaccines, working daily, and enjoying life...

[Buckeye Bleau]

Awesome, going to all this trouble, investment and possible negative affects for a pathogen with what, a 98% recovery rate?
Brilliant!

[Petersweeney]

Amen sister

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

Please wear a mask and continue precautions after getting your vaccination. You can still get covid-19 and pass it on. You would probably be asymtomatic.
Vaccination
1. WILL NOT Protect you 100%
2. WILL protect you from getting it bad and killing you

Pay attention to the SCIENCE!!!!!

I truly feel sorry for you - to live with a head full of pure negativity and sorrow. I pray you find something, someone to help you thru your negative life and thoughts.

It is going to be a beautiful - sunny day - Spend time laughing and enjoying time with friends and family!!!! Watch the birds and wildlife play by the ponds!!! Enjoy gathering at the great events we have here at the Villages!!! Take that trip to visit your grandchildren or a friend you haven’t seen for years!!! Believe me, when the time comes - and you are really unable to do anything - you will have no regrets - only wonderful memories!!!

It is a great day to live and enjoy interacting - or just spending the day enjoying life by yourself.

[RICH1]

Please wear a mask and continue precautions after getting your vaccination. You can still get covid-19 and pass it on. You would probably be asymtomatic.
Vaccination
1. WILL NOT Protect you 100%
2. WILL protect you from getting it bad and killing you

Pay attention to the SCIENCE!!!!!
I am only 64 and obviously waiting patiently to receive my vaccine. Thank you to those mask wearing people. I choose to take the side of caution for just a little longer. Everyone is a tough guy and invincible until you get the Covid and are praying to God so you can breathe! I was one of them ....

[banjobob]

Thank you for posting some common sense. Those with their hair on fire about masks and the “science” should read the statistics on the virus death risk by age group. Most that do have it are only slightly sick for a few days with loss of smell or taste lasting a little longer. If you have serious health issues stay away from crowds and protect yourself ,others will enjoy their lives without the alarmists rants.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

I've read one from Israel, but I am not an expert or even a medical professional. I have however, stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
From what I got from the Israeli study, ingestion of the virus after being inoculated will kill the virus (spores?) so that you should not be able to contract the disease or communicate it to others.

I believe it's the Pfizer vaccine that is showing this protection. There's no data on Moderna. Still, my plans are to ditch the mask after the appropriate time period, unless I must enter an establishment that "requires" a mask.

[nick demis]

Please wear a mask and continue precautions after getting your vaccination. You can still get covid-19 and pass it on. You would probably be asymtomatic.
Vaccination
1. WILL NOT Protect you 100%
2. WILL protect you from getting it bad and killing you

Pay attention to the SCIENCE!!!!!

Which science? The same one that is now saying 2 + 2 doesn't necessarily equal 4? Thank God I am still asleep and not woke.

[nick demis]

I truly feel sorry for you - to live with a head full of pure negativity and sorrow. I pray you find something, someone to help you thru your negative life and thoughts.

It is going to be a beautiful - sunny day - Spend time laughing and enjoying time with friends and family!!!! Watch the birds and wildlife play by the ponds!!! Enjoy gathering at the great events we have here at the Villages!!! Take that trip to visit your grandchildren or a friend you haven’t seen for years!!! Believe me, when the time comes - and you are really unable to do anything - you will have no regrets - only wonderful memories!!!

It is a great day to live and enjoy interacting - or just spending the day enjoying life by yourself.

Some people just want to spend the rest of their lives worrying with their heads buried in the sand. I don't try to stop you so don't demand that I do the same. Me, I want to enjoy life to it's fullest. That is one of the reasons we moved here.

[Leadbone1]

Please wear a mask and continue precautions after getting your vaccination. You can still get covid-19 and pass it on. You would probably be asymtomatic.
Vaccination
1. WILL NOT Protect you 100%
2. WILL protect you from getting it bad and killing you

Pay attention to the SCIENCE!!!!!

This may be your science but it is not the science. I hardly ever wear a mask now and I can guarantee you once I’ve had my second shot in about 10 days and after the 14 day waiting period I will not be wearing a mask anywhere. If someplace tries to ask me to leave I will point out that they legally have no basis to do so. I don’t think it’ll happen as it is not happening now. There is no law mandating that. 95% of us are ready to get back to normal living. Then there’s always the 5% like you.

[GeriS]

Please wear a mask and continue precautions after getting your vaccination. You can still get covid-19 and pass it on. You would probably be asymtomatic.
Vaccination
1. WILL NOT Protect you 100%
2. WILL protect you from getting it bad and killing you

Pay attention to the SCIENCE!!!!!
Yes, pay attention to science. Everything you say is wrong.

[GeriS]

According to the government... If I get vaccinated: 💉💉💉

1.- Can I stop wearing the mask?
Government Response - No

2.- Can they reopen restaurants, pubs, bars etc and everyone work normally?
Government Response - No

3.- Will I be resistant to covid?
Government Response - Maybe, but we don't know exactly, it probably won't stop you getting it

4.- At least I won't be contagious to others anymore?
Government Response - No you can still pass it on, possibly, nobody knows.

5.- If we vaccinate all children, will school resume normally?
Government Response - No

6.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?
Government Response - No

7.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop disinfecting my hands?
Government Response - No

8.- If I vaccinate myself and my grandfather, can we hug each other?
Government Response - No

9.- Will cinemas, theatres and stadiums be reopened normally thanks to vaccines?
Government Response - No

10.- Will the vaccinated be able to gather?
Government Response - No

11.- What is the real benefit of vaccination?
Government Response - The virus won't kill you.

12.- Are you sure it won't kill me?
Government Response - No

13.- If statistically the virus won't kill me anyway ... Why would I get vaccinated?"
Government Response - To protect others.

14.- So if I get vaccinated, the others are 100% sure I'm not infecting them?
Government Response - No

So to summarise, the Covid19 vaccine...

Does not give immunity.
Does not eliminate the virus.
Does not prevent death.
Does not guarantee you won’t get it.
Does not prevent you from getting it.
Does not stop you passing it on
Does not eliminate the need for travel bans.
Does not eliminate the need for business closures.
Does not eliminate the need for lockdowns.
Does not eliminate the need for masking.

So...what the heck is it actually doing? 🤦🏼*♂️🤷🏼*♂️
You are exactly right. What is it doing? Destroying our economy, businesses, peoples livelihoods, interactions with others. They used to put masks on slaves you know. If you can get enough people to be dependent on the government, you have complete control. You'd better do your research somewhere other than the MSM to find out what's in them.

[Leadbone1]

Why would you pay any attention to what the government says as they have been all over the place since this started. We are adults and need to do what we feel. Over the last year I almost never wear a mask anywhere and I guarantee you once I have my second shot of the vaccine, my mask will go in the trash for good. I’m not gonna walk around looking like an idiot for the rest of my life. Just heard on epidemiologists yesterday morning on TV say that 95% of the masks that people are wearing are worthless and nothing more than a psychological Comfort. I’m done with all of it

[Girlcopper]

And here we have another one. The vaccine will give immunity to about 95% of the people who get it. If you are in the 95%, YOU CANNOT GET THE VIRUS AND YOU CANNOT PASS IT ON
If you are in the 5%, It's like you never were vaccinated.

So again, I'll re-post what I wrote on another COVID thread-----

Why does this idiotic rumor keep spreading????? Again, I challenge ANYONE to cite a reputable source for this nonsense.

Think of it this way-----why would all the "experts" be pushing the vaccines as the method of obtaining herd immunity and ending this pandemic if the vaccines did not confer immunity. Why spend billions on vaccines that only prevent "death" in the 0.3% of the people who would actually die from it. In fact, in a cold-hearted but social Darwinian model, why keep people who can spread the virus alive?

Yet , on just about every COVID thread, some yahoo pops up with the "the vaccine only decreases severity of illness and reduces the chance of death" Use your brains, please.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Well stated. If some people feel the vaccine isnt worth it, then, dont get it and take your chances. The mask wearing is still mandated in stores because there is no way to announce that you had the vaccine. Even if they made a huge button you could wear stating, I was vaccinated, people would then complain about that. Ive already heard people arguing with workers in stores that they will not wear a mask because they were vaccinated. Stop acting like a spoiled child. Just wear the mask until its no longer mandated and stop the, it violates my rights, garbage.

[MandoMan]

Thank you. I guess there are those that the glass will always and ALWAYS be half empty.
Must be a lot of idiots out there if they are willing to get TWO shots, with miserable side effects, thinking that if they are around anyone infected that they will get infected but only get a little sick. Some folks should have to wear a sign that warns others that they do not use their brain to function day to day. It must be from Global Warming, I mean Climate Change, or is it Man Made Climate Change? Proof that some folks' wind mills have frozen solid, not just in Texas. :1rotfl:

The vast majority of people have no side effects at all except for soreness at the injection site. I watched my girlfriend’s father die of COVID-19. (In FaceTime.) it was the worst three weeks of his life. And he didn’t go on a respirator. His wife nearly died. But now she has to go from a big fancy house to a nursing home.

[ithos]

So many experts. So much contradiction. I feel the best advice comes from the medical EXPERTS.

Which "medical experts"?

Highly regarded and credentialed medical professionals have conflicting opinions. Which ones do you believe?

The biggest problem that I have with the lockdown fanatics is their complete and total disregard for the unintended consequences of depriving citizens of their employment, education and liberty. It has resulted in more suicides, depression, domestic violence, bankruptcies, overdoses and student failures.


In the first quarter of 2020, one school district in Charles County, Maryland, saw a 72.7% increase in failing grades for students enrolled in high school, WTOP reported. Forty-two percent of students in Houston received at least one failing grade in this school year's first grading period, The Associated Press reported. This past year, secondary schools in Salt Lake City saw a 600% increase in the number of failing students, according to The Salt Lake Tribune.

US students failing at record levels; experts are wondering what to do (https://www.insider.com/us-students-failing-grades-during-pandemic-experts-torn-2020-12)

[Niferlou06]

We are in this mess together; so it's not just about one person....


"Even after both doses, it’s important to continue to take precautions.
Although getting vaccinated is an important step in protecting people from COVID-19, it does not mean they can stop practicing precautions such as masking, social distancing, and hand hygiene. Those measures are still critical as we continue to battle the pandemic. “Right now there’s so much COVID circulating, getting the vaccines doesn’t mean you can go back to life as before,” says Dr. Marks. “I think it’s important to continue to take all the recommended precautions, so you can protect yourself and others. Until we really get a decrease in the COVID that’s circulating, all of that remains necessary.”

[ldivens]

The science has been wrong the entire time. You have a 99.9% chance of recovery. If you are at risk stay home. Worry, fear and isolation are killing people and making them get Covid. That is science as well, many reports do your own research.

[kendi]

I've read one from Israel, but I am not an expert or even a medical professional. I have however, stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
From what I got from the Israeli study, ingestion of the virus after being inoculated will kill the virus (spores?) so that you should not be able to contract the disease or communicate it to others.

If you ingest the virus the acids in your stomach will kill it. There was never a concern with that. Inhaling into the lungs or contamination through the eyes (which is connected to your nasal passage) was/is the issue.

[merrymini]

Just shut up about the virus and the masks, ENOUGH!

[Waltdisney4life]

Sell the fear !!!

[kendi]

Why would you pay any attention to what the government says as they have been all over the place since this started. We are adults and need to do what we feel. Over the last year I almost never wear a mask anywhere and I guarantee you once I have my second shot of the vaccine, my mask will go in the trash for good. I’m not gonna walk around looking like an idiot for the rest of my life. Just heard on epidemiologists yesterday morning on TV say that 95% of the masks that people are wearing are worthless and nothing more than a psychological Comfort. I’m done with all of it

Totally agree that 95% of masks are worthless.

[Jerseyborn]

From my nephew (ER physician in Massachusetts):

Interesting tidbits on covid 19

Studies pending peer review (per Fauci) show the following:

Pfizer and Moderna are effective vs SA and UK variants. SA may have less antibody that’s effective, but it’s still effective nonetheless.

The vaccine lowers risk of death by 99%. With half a million Americans dead from this, that’s enormous. It prevents the disease at a 95% clip. There are many, many people who didn’t die but have long term effects from covid. 95% prevention should limit the long hauler syndrome. And those who get the disease who’ve been vaccinated carry a far lower viral load as to potentially not be contagious. That would also lend credence to the theory that if you get the vaccine, you’re not going to be a “silent carrier”, something that hasn’t been debunked as of yet.

Very intrigued to see the data on this, but if the above is true and stands up to scrutiny, then my expectation is that we have the vehicle to stop this pandemic and eventually get back to normal. It will take a long time to do so as the manufacturing of the vaccine is taking time and the delivery on a state by state basis has been rocky. No data yet on how long the immunity from the vaccine lasts and I kinda don’t want to find that out anytime soon (that means that test subjects still show antibody to this day and onward).

Side effects have been limited to immediate post injection illness and usually resolve 24 hours post injection. I haven’t seen many case reports of autoimmune processes which have been reported at incredibly low rates with seasonal flu vaccines.

My only advice to everyone is we are in the home stretch, get your vaccine as quickly as you can and stay distanced until that time. Wait until two weeks post vaccine #2 and go from there. For now, us vaccinated need to mask up until the data is clear, reviewed and there’s a consensus on lack of transmission, but I expect that very soon. I look forward to a day when we don’t have to have covid on the brain for normal activities. Stay safe all

[irishwonone]

Thank you. So glad to never read about caronavirus again.

[Fuzzy]

Please wear a mask and continue precautions after getting your vaccination. You can still get covid-19 and pass it on. You would probably be asymtomatic.
Vaccination
1. WILL NOT Protect you 100%
2. WILL protect you from getting it bad and killing you

Pay attention to the SCIENCE!!!!!

Seriously, I wish people would keep their opinions and the science they wish to follow off this site.

[Two Bills]

We're having Chicken en croûte for dinner today!

[lkagele]

I'm not a yahoo. After vaccination, you have a 95% chance of being immune. But you can still get it (5% change) and pass it on, but its likely to be milder. As per this article posted by someone else.

Well, you may not be a yahoo but you certainly sound like a spokesman for some of the teacher's unions. We refuse to work until the entire world is vaccinated. It's not safe for the kids unless we get full pay while not working, billions of unnecessary tax dollars in the coming years and the elimination of all private and charter schools. It's for the kids.......

As far as I'm concerned, these teacher unions are nothing more than cowards and child abusers.

[Heyitsrick]

Have there been any studies on whether any of these vaccines prevent the "we've been trying to reach you about your car's extended warranty" calls? So far, masks and distancing haven't helped.

[rlcooper70]

People - if you are vaccinated you are not getting a severe case ... you are protected. Relax. The rumors are not real.

[Bill14564]

The science has been wrong the entire time. You have a 99.9% chance of recovery. If you are at risk stay home. Worry, fear and isolation are killing people and making them get Covid. That is science as well, many reports do your own research.

What science has been wrong the whole time? What do you base that on (studies, numbers, papers, anything other than facebook)?

Where did you get the 99.9% chance of recovery number? Please post a link to the source.

[Spalumbos62]

Just shut up about the virus and the masks, ENOUGH!

You do realize that people just pass by your childish rants with humor..not with you, but at you.

[capecoralbill]

My understanding,.................................... .............. , is that everyone who is vaccinated benefits from the mRNA vaccines in that they are protected from severe disease and death.
I did not take those efficacy percentages to mean that 5% of totally vaccinated people have no protection at all and it is if they were not vaccinated at all.


Coffeebean, You said what i was trying to formulate from my readings, thankyou for summarizing and putting it into words for Me!
This is 'golfing eagles' incorrect interpretation of the vaccine's efficacy in his post #2 above, here's what 'g e' wrote:

""And here we have another one. The vaccine will give immunity to about 95% of the people who get it. If you are in the 95%, YOU CANNOT GET THE VIRUS AND YOU CANNOT PASS IT ON
If you are in the 5%, It's like you never were vaccinated.""

I wish 'g e' would to reply to your polite post.

[Mfrench]

You are stating that the vaccines will stop the virus from killing us??? How about the people who have died after getting a vaccination? Two friends of mine were told by their doctor that they must be vaccinated at a hospital since people have died from heart attacks after being vaccinated because they didn’t have access to resuscitation equipment. There are so many different , constantly changing , stories floating around that we don’t know who to believe! Who told you that people who get the vaccine can still get the virus and spread it to others? Fauci has changed his stories over and over again!! First he tells us not to bother wearing a mask because they don’t stop the virus from getting through them, then he says wear a mask to make people feel safer and now he tells us to wear two masks!! And you trust the information coming from this so-called professional??? How about the 50 medical establishments in Florida that were caught falsifying the number of covid deaths to qualify for higher Medicare payments? ( They classified deaths from auto and motorcycle accidents , heart attacks, cancer deaths and more as deaths from covid!!). When challenged, the constant excuse was “ clerical errors”. Why have the number of reported flu cases and deaths dropped to nearly zero?? Could it be they are also are being classified as covid cases and deaths? Financial profit is a strong incentive to falsify information. No wonder so many people have lost trust in any covid information coming from the mouths of so-called medical “professionals”. You may have received some of this misinformation as well.

[jimjamuser]

And here we have another one. The vaccine will give immunity to about 95% of the people who get it. If you are in the 95%, YOU CANNOT GET THE VIRUS AND YOU CANNOT PASS IT ON
If you are in the 5%, It's like you never were vaccinated.

So again, I'll re-post what I wrote on another COVID thread-----

Why does this idiotic rumor keep spreading????? Again, I challenge ANYONE to cite a reputable source for this nonsense.

Think of it this way-----why would all the "experts" be pushing the vaccines as the method of obtaining herd immunity and ending this pandemic if the vaccines did not confer immunity. Why spend billions on vaccines that only prevent "death" in the 0.3% of the people who would actually die from it. In fact, in a cold-hearted but social Darwinian model, why keep people who can spread the virus alive?

Yet , on just about every COVID thread, some yahoo pops up with the "the vaccine only decreases severity of illness and reduces the chance of death" Use your brains, please.
I agree with about 90% of what was said there. But, I believe that some people have been found the got their vaccine and had the necessary antibodies and then sometime later caught more CV and ended up in a hospital. I remember hearing that on one of the "normal news" TV channels. It apparently does not happen to many people. And there is still some uncertainty as to whether a fully vaccinated person can NOT spread CV. Most likely that IS true but, last I heard Medical Science was STILL researching it. That's why Dr. Fauci did NOT that to be absolutely true. He seemed to WANT to say it, but, he seemed to want more research done. He knows that his opinions get so much media coverage that he must NOT make educated guesses. The Japanese apparently have done extensive research on BOTH of these questions. The question of how long protection lasts is, also, still being researched. And the US may (?) get hit with one or more of the new variants. So, in summary, much is still unknown about the CV Pandemic.

[dboyd29]

Aw, it’s so nice to hear from the sheep. COVID COVID COVID, without COVID most people on this thread would have no reason to live. Their entire existence revolves around COVID. Meanwhile the non sheep are living life to its fullest, having fun, smiling without a mask, conversing with other human being while using common sense.
The sheep remind me of an earlier time in which leaders of a country said get on this train we are going to take you to a safe place. Life will be better there.

[Tmarkwald]

According to the government... If I get vaccinated: 💉💉💉

So, right there, with that first statement, you've quoted the government. NOT medical experts - the government agenda.

That kinda takes credibility off the table.

[jimjamuser]

Thank you. I guess there are those that the glass will always and ALWAYS be half empty.
Must be a lot of idiots out there if they are willing to get TWO shots, with miserable side effects, thinking that if they are around anyone infected that they will get infected but only get a little sick. Some folks should have to wear a sign that warns others that they do not use their brain to function day to day. It must be from Global Warming, I mean Climate Change, or is it Man Made Climate Change? Proof that some folks' wind mills have frozen solid, not just in Texas. :1rotfl:
This post is hard to understand. Is the idea to advocate that people do NOT get a 2nd SHOT of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine? If so, that is not wonderful advice. And the Texas windmills froze up because unlike the standard further north, Texas was too cheap to buy freeze-proof graphite/ fiberglass BLADES or have blades with heating elements installed. Texas screwed up!

[coffeebean]

Oh lord here we go again...as if we all need another dictating what to do with our lives...I thankfully get up everyday and go about my life, and have since all of this started...I am still alive and kicking. No vaccines, working daily, and enjoying life...

We are in the middle of a 100 year event known as a global pandemic. It is natural for people to discuss everything related to this as it effects our lives.

Honestly, rather than complaining about the subject matter that is very compelling to many folks, just don't click on the thread. Easy peasy.

[coffeebean]

I truly feel sorry for you - to live with a head full of pure negativity and sorrow. I pray you find something, someone to help you thru your negative life and thoughts.

It is going to be a beautiful - sunny day - Spend time laughing and enjoying time with friends and family!!!! Watch the birds and wildlife play by the ponds!!! Enjoy gathering at the great events we have here at the Villages!!! Take that trip to visit your grandchildren or a friend you haven’t seen for years!!! Believe me, when the time comes - and you are really unable to do anything - you will have no regrets - only wonderful memories!!!

It is a great day to live and enjoy interacting - or just spending the day enjoying life by yourself.

Your attitude is the reason we are all in this mess. Thanks.