Auto Train

[fcgiii]

We are coming down to look at a house to buy this week and considering the autotrain, bringing one car to leave with a friend when we go back home to finish selling our house.

Any experience with the autotrain? what is the best way to get from the Villages to the Samford train station?

Thanks in advance

[tophcfa]

Looked into it, no dogs was a non starter.

[kathyspear]

A few years back we took the auto train in order to bring a car down for use at our (then) seasonal condo in Pinellas County. We flew back home, though, so we didn't have to get back to Sanford.

The auto train experience beat the heck out of a two-day drive from Philly. We didn't book a sleeper car, just tried to sleep in regular seats. It wasn't fun, but I'm glad we did it. Sometimes the tickets are pricey but we happened to travel at a time when it was fairly inexpensive.

TIP: We got to the station in VA very early, which meant that our car got put on the train early. "First in" means "Last out". We had to wait a couple of hours for our car to be unloaded as a result. If I did it again I would plan to arrive later in the day. After that long (all night) train ride you will want to get your car and get on the road to TV.

Good luck (with your travels AND your house hunting!)

kathy

[John_W]

We took the Autotrain down in 2011 for our LSV, that was in April and we couldn't book a return trip. We made the reservation in February but going north in April was already sold out, so we just drove the car back. January to April is the high season, so April is when all the snowbirds will go north.

We took it again round in August of 2013 for a trip back north. Prices were a big difference. The April trip was $900 each week, we that included an extra $100 for a larger car. The August round-trips was $750 total with a smaller car. Time of the year is important for pricing and lead time in booking. I'm sure those booking to come south in November to January will probably have the same problems we faced in April going north.

The ride is fine. They're identical stations in Sanford Florida and just outside Alexandria Virginia. They very modern and mostly glass and once you know way around, they are both just alike.

After arriving at Sanford, you're be in a sort of residential area in a very congested neighborhood. Go north from train yard and in about 3 blocks you'll be on Hwy 46, it's 4 lanes, very busy congested road. Turn left west bound, you'll soon go under I-4 and past a mall and continue on 46 about 20 miles until the Mount Dora area. When you see an exit for 441 leesburg, take it and 441 will take you right to TV in a sense, probably about 75 minutes total.

Once you're on 441 it is total congestion the entire way. Depends on what area of TV you're going determines when you will leave 441. TV is about 20 miles from south to north, you might turn west on 44, 466A, 466 or 42, depending on where you want to enter TV.

There is one train leaving at identical times from both stations everyday at 4pm, you check in at station about 1pm to 3pm and get your seat assignment. The trains will arrive between 9 and 10am the next morning. Coming back to Florida in 2013 we had breakfast at 6am in the dining car and we got done they said, were ahead of schedule and we should get into Sanford about 8am. Within about an hour the train came to a stop in woods near Palatka Florida. The druggie hangout apparently was the railroad tracks and we ran over two people stoned on the tracks.

The local police came to investigate, a medivac helicopter came in to take one of the victims to the University of Florida Hospital, the two engineers driving the train had to be relieved even though we only had about an hour to go, union rules. We had to wait for a new crew to drive up from Sanford. When it was all done, we got into Sanford about 1pm in the afternoon.

The cars are nice and if you want to see scenery, although a lot of the trip is during nightime, you're in the upper deck so to speak, so you have good visibility from window. Downstairs are places for those in wheel chairs and sleeper type accommodations. For about $300 you get a place downstairs where the seats fold completely flat and there a curtain you can pull all the way around you. I didn't think it was worth it, plus I felt like staying awake. They do have small pillows and blankets for about $15 each, I don't know if you can get to keep them. I went to Walmart beforehand and bought a small pillow for $4 and a small blanket for $4 and took them on the trip and I still have them. There might also be sleeping berths, which I think are $500.

The seats in the upper seating area do recline a good deal. I took the last seats in the row, so that way if I put my seat back all the way it wouldn't bother anyone behind me. As it is, the rows are much further apart, they're nothing like an airplane or a bus. I think it was seats 41 & 42 were the last. Besides arriving early is better for selecting your seats, you also can select your dinner time. Since you're up and about all day, I got hungry early, so we always take 5pm for dinner, you can chose 5, 6 or 7. So arriving late you may find yourself eating at 7pm.

The morning breakfast, the conductor will come through and announce the dining car is open, usually about 6am. Something you may find unusual is that tables seat 4 and if you're only a couple, you sit with strangers. It's usually a neat thing. Once we sat with a young college girl from DC going to school in Orlando at UCF, and was from the middle east and had a turben on her head. Not the kind person I would normally sit with, but we learned a lot. Another time was with a normal looking fellow, but he was a national officer in NRA going to a convention to give a speech. Again, I use to belong NRA and I'm for gun rights, but I'm not big fan of hunting, so that was another interesting time.

They take a picture of your car before loading it, so you cannot make a false claim for damage. If you arrive early, which we always did, your car will probably be one of last to be unloaded, that's about 90 minutes after the train has arrived. You can pay an extra $50 and your car will be off-loaded first. There is no checked baggage, your baggage is in your car and you can bring a small bag with our bathroom supplies, snacks, whatever.

Here's the location of the train station in Sanford.

Google Maps (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sanford,+FL/@28.8159185,-81.3137756,6272m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x88e71300d982f6c5:0x28cf6 ab075e6c438!8m2!3d28.8087842!4d-81.2914469)

Both stations look alive, big seating areas, plenty of glass and big screen TVs with the news channels playing.

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This is how it will look as it gets closer to boarding time. You won't be able to board until 3:30 and it will pull out at 4pm.

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The windows are up high on the second level for good visibility.

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Usually we arrived at the station about 1: 30 to 2:00 we could pick the seats we wanted, the meal time we wanted, no lines like this.

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Typical dining table with tablecloth.

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Your cabin, plenty of room.

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Plenty of legroom, and good tray tables. My biggest complaint is as soon as the train pulls out, you get excited, you want to take it all in, and look out the windows. Everyone around us seemed to want to take out their phones and talk non-stop for a least an hour. I found that extremely annoying.

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If you decide on the Autotrain, then it's the journey and the destination.

[Sensei]

Booked a sleeper....was bunk beds in a tiny closet-sized area... Top bunk put face within inches of the ceiling---could feel my breath.
Breakfast was a small box of cereal with 1/2 pint of tepid milk.

Any trip north to south or south to north will include one or two nights at a real motel.

Sadly, auto-train a disappointment.

[dtennent]

Until we adopted our dog, we used the auto train going both ways. A few points (all before the pandemic)

1) The seats are very roomy so reclining all the way does not severely impact the person behind you. As a veteran overseas traveler, I would say the seats reminded me of the business class seats of 30 years ago.

2) You can bring food/wine/beer in a cooler with you for your consumption along the way. While dinner and breakfast used to be included in the price, I understand they now charge for the meals. The food is basic but certainly not gourmet.

3) I would avoid the seats at either end of the car as people do walk through the cars and you can hear the automatic doors opening and closing.

4) There are power outlets near the seats so you can charge your electronics.

Overall, I found the experience interesting. It saves the wear and tear of driving from Lorton, Va to Stanford.

[Bay Kid]

3 years ago I brought a car home from Florida to VA. 1st train ride. I got the small private room/sleeper. Brought my own booze (allowed) and enjoyed the ride and the food. Don't book too close to the front, engine/whistle noise. Definitely I would get a private room. General seating ( I took a walk back to look) is NOT for me. Looked like a ride on Greyhound on a rough day.

Life is an adventure. Worth a try. I would do it again if needed.

[LuckyS]

I've done it many times and enjoy it! Sure its a very long trip, minimum 18 hours if all goes well. I can do the drive in 12 hours and fly from TV to Reston Va door to door in 5.5 hours. Sure its very pricey especially if you get the sleeper car. But with all that said I enjoy it but that's me, I like trains and enjoy just looking out the window, surfing the web, taking naps, eating and drinking at the bar car or diner (pre-pandemic), bathroom and showers available.

[John_W]

Booked a sleeper....was bunk beds in a tiny closet-sized area... Top bunk put face within inches of the ceiling---could feel my breath.
Breakfast was a small box of cereal with 1/2 pint of tepid milk.

Any trip north to south or south to north will include one or two nights at a real motel.

Sadly, auto-train a disappointment.

That's why I didn't get a sleeper, the seats and the big windows was great entertainment, at least I thought so. Even though I found the people on the telephones annoying, I liked being in the general population, so to speak. Not isolated. Maybe that's why you didn't like the train. Plus I was in the Army, it seemed like an adventure.

I had both the cereal and scrambled eggs for breakfast. We had our choice of a couple of items. Which is normally more than I eat for breakfast. Maybe you came late and the eggs were gone.

If I did stay in a motel, South of the Border has always been my favorite place to stay, that's what Pedro Sez!!

Sleeper bunk, you should of taken the bottom.

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In the 50's we traveled to Florida every summer until I was 9 years and then moved to Florida permanent. I remember when South of the Border was only a small motel. Now look!

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Here is South of the Border in the 50's.

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[rjm1cc]

I do not think you can take the auto train back home without a car.

[MickeyStevens]

Speaking of South of the Border we are really relieved when we finally drive past it since we get tired of seeing the signs "Pedro Sez" 100 miles before we get there. One year we got a kick out of the signs but that was the first couple of times.

[John_W]

Speaking of South of the Border we are really relieved when we finally drive past it since we get tired of seeing the signs "Pedro Sez" 100 miles before we get there. One year we got a kick out of the signs but that was the first couple of times.

I loved the billboards as a kid and I still love them, tells me how far I've come.

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What I hate, or really laugh at are the JR Discount Cigarette signs since I quit 15 years ago and don't have any desire.

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With cigarette sales down, they've added books, dolls, towels & jewelry.

https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/09/c3/45/db/j-r-discount-outlet.jpg

[villagetinker]

We took the autotrain several times around 2013, never used a private room as the beds all appeared to be too short for me. I found the reclining chairs to be very comfortable. We brought 4 vehicles down to TV this we, far cheaper than auto transport. I would bring my own blanket and eye mask, as noted above there are lights that turn on and off with the automatic doors. When we went the food was good there was a selection for dinner. I understand there have been cutbacks in the amenties so ask questions and be prepared.

[Stu from NYC]

Have not driven past S of the Border for some years but heard it is now very run down.

Anyone gone there recently?

[Stu from NYC]

Driving from Va to Florida for cruises thought of taking auto train but given the time to get there and wait for train to leave and than delay at last stop on top of relatively slow travel thought driving was just easier.

Now that we are Floridians might take it next time going up to NY to visit relatives.

[JoMar]

We took the Auto Train several times before we moved here. Took the private bedroom with it's own bathroom and shower. Met some very nice folks and having the seclusion was nice. As the years went on the amenities went down and the price has gone up, not sure what today's rate would be. It beats the heck out of driving if you are a point to point got to get there person. If you are a meanderer like us, well lets just say we may take 4 - 5 days to get to PA.

[John_W]

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[Joanne19335]

We are coming down to look at a house to buy this week and considering the autotrain, bringing one car to leave with a friend when we go back home to finish selling our house.

Any experience with the autotrain? what is the best way to get from the Villages to the Samford train station?

Thanks in advance

I took the auto train from Lorton, Virginia when I moved here. I loved it. I cannot remember the best route from Sanford. Just used GPS. About a 45 minute drive.

[taylor111947]

When I moved here 11 years ago, I had two cars and a cat. No pets on the auto train so I flew and my son and his girlfriend took the autotrain with the cars. It couldn’t have been easier.
Now I’m moving back to Philly with one car, no cat and possibly a traveling companion. I’ll definitely look into the autotrain, but probably use a sleeper car if there are two of us.

[TheMoyers]

We are coming down to look at a house to buy this week and considering the autotrain, bringing one car to leave with a friend when we go back home to finish selling our house.

Any experience with the autotrain? what is the best way to get from the Villages to the Samford train station?

Thanks in advance


Yes, we have taken the auto train 5 or 6 times, and enjoy it. Sort of an adventure. You have choices of accommodations from a private sleeper to sitting up all night in a common area. Ask the agent when you call to describe all options. Some do not have private restrooms. We have always taken the sleeper compartment. They are small, but adequate for one night. Food service was surprisingly good. Attitude of the crew was also quite good. Ride gets a bit bouncy at several locations along the route, so most folks don't sleep thru the night.

Driving takes about 90 minutes to TV. If you like highways, use the FL Turnpike, if not, a combination of 441 and 44.

[Bill297]

You are correct. You must have an auto, motorcycle, truck to be on the auto train.

[lindaelane]

I took the autotrain to arrive in The Villages when I moved here. It was nice, but one problem: scratches. My car had many small scratches when it got off the train that were not there before. This was unsightly and had an effect on the car's value when I traded it in. I was the first to get on the train, so being at the front might have effected things. Autotrain supposedly will do something if they damage your car, I think, but you would need proof of damage, probably photos from every angle before boarding, perhaps with the site in the background to prove where taken? If you can put on a car cover, you will probably be OK, but I am not 100 percent certain these can be put on the car before boarding...I think they have to drive your car on and off. On the other hand, I assume the train would not continue to run if it were known that most cars sustain significant damage in the way mine did.

[Foxmd]

We take autotrain every year and get bedroom with private bath. I believe autotrain runs at half capacity since pandemic started.

[EileenRo]

We took the auto train and arrived in The Villages Sunday. We booked a handicapped sleeper. Prior to this trip we booked a bedroom sleeper. The trip is awful. The sleeper cars are dated with original fixtures. The bunks are narrow and the top bunk inches from the ceiling. We bring our own food because on our first trip the food was terrible. Although they did deliver it to our room due to COVID. We pay extra to unload our car first. The train cuts the trip in half but will certainly consider driving.

[Blackbird45]

I've taken the auto train a couple of times.
It was a necessity, I did not want to spend the time driving from N.Y.
Dinner was fine, I booked a room for my wife and myself.
Let me be honest we booked a small broom closet.
If you take the train it will take you a couple of days to recover.
If you have the time drive.

[NY2TV]

A few years back we took the auto train in order to bring a car down for use at our (then) seasonal condo in Pinellas County. We flew back home, though, so we didn't have to get back to Sanford.

The auto train experience beat the heck out of a two-day drive from Philly. We didn't book a sleeper car, just tried to sleep in regular seats. It wasn't fun, but I'm glad we did it. Sometimes the tickets are pricey but we happened to travel at a time when it was fairly inexpensive.

TIP: We got to the station in VA very early, which meant that our car got put on the train early. "First in" means "Last out". We had to wait a couple of hours for our car to be unloaded as a result. If I did it again I would plan to arrive later in the day. After that long (all night) train ride you will want to get your car and get on the road to TV.

Good luck (with your travels AND your house hunting!)

kathy

I have been told, and can attest by experience, that the time you arrive has no correlation to the order the cars get off. You can pay extra to have your car off early, but other than that, there is no set order.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I do not think you can take the auto train back home without a car.

But you could always take Amtrak or fly back.

[Gullwing]

Don’t get to the station after 2, you won’t be loaded on that days train.

[Tmarkwald]

I loved the billboards as a kid and I still love them, tells me how far I've come.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1d/c3/00/1dc300a2d98dcea7b021fa48ef201472.jpg

What I hate, or really laugh at are the JR Discount Cigarette signs since I quit 15 years ago and don't have any desire.

https://fastly.4sqi.net/img/general/600x600/b-TA_68jbrnDM3XpDR_olZSbydQBzc02mSyVG7r-j68.jpg

With cigarette sales down, they've added books, dolls, towels & jewelry.

https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/09/c3/45/db/j-r-discount-outlet.jpg

they got rid of everything except cigars and cigarettes 5 years ago .... all 3 Carolina locations

[Tmarkwald]

Checking Tripadvisor, they have 301 reviews and most of the latest ones from 2020 are only 2 or 3 stars out of 5. Probably like most of the hospitality industry, the pandemic has put a hurt on them. I'm sure travel to Florida is way down.

SOUTH OF THE BORDER - Prices & Motel Reviews (Hamer, SC) - Tripadvisor (https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g54263-d124797-Reviews-or5-South_of_the_Border-Hamer_South_Carolina.html)

They're missing the opportunity to advertise it as a fountain of youth. If I stayed there I would feel fifty years younger, like I was back in my 20s again, because it has a 1960s to 70s vibe.

https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/0f/78/b2/e2/south-of-the-border.jpg

South of the Border has been run down for many years. But they don't seem to be affected much by the pandemic. Went by there 4 times in the past month and still the same as last year.

[Tmarkwald]

We are coming down to look at a house to buy this week and considering the autotrain, bringing one car to leave with a friend when we go back home to finish selling our house.

Any experience with the autotrain? what is the best way to get from the Villages to the Samford train station?

Thanks in advance

AMTRAK just started a sale for March on autotrain - $9 per person and a sleeper is $109 depending on the date. A full bedroom is $249. YMMV

[PennBF]

These notes bring back memories of my traveling by train from NY to North Carolina and the ride then. It was during WWII and I was around 8 years old. My father was an Officer in the Air Force and transferred from NY to a base in Wilmington,NC. We came down by
train, like a "Troop Train". No air conditioning, many many stops in the heat, could not get off and it was packed. Forget food. Now the ride from FL to Va is with breakfast, air conditioning, your car is with you, you can actually get a cabin and some complain? Wow,
have we become spoiled. :a040:

[Mfrench]

I came down by auto train and it was great! I’m glad I got a little room to sleep in. The drive from Sanford is very direct and easy. It takes about 45 minutes.

[RosemarySoso]

I do auto train each October and leave the car in TV until we leave in the Spring. I enjoy the roomette by myself. For two, it’s tight. For someone to complain about the breakfast!!! All I can say is “come on, man!”

[024engine]

The more in advance you book, the less expensive it is. Trip to Sanford about an hour. Must be there two hours prior to departure to load your car. They used to have free meals. You must now purchase them. The trip from Sanford to Lorton, Va is about 16 hours.

[Tmarkwald]

The more in advance you book, the less expensive it is. Trip to Sanford about an hour. Must be there two hours prior to departure to load your car. They used to have free meals. You must now purchase them. The trip from Sanford to Lorton, Va is about 16 hours.

If you gat a room, all meals are included, though...

[Jerry Leinsing]

You can pay a few bucks for ‘first unload’. We were glad we did. Also got a sleeper. Best deal

[Joebrads]

As a retired Amtraker we ride the auto train often. It's not a bad trip at all, however.... In the world of covid the diner cars are not available at least not to coach passengers, not sure about sleeping car passengers since they don't let me ride there. Breakfast is a "grab and go" and is included. Dinner is available in a cafe car but it's rather pricey. We pack sandwiches.
There is no predictable relationship between when your car is loaded and when it is unloaded as they separate the car carriers differently at the two locations. the only way to guarantee getting your car early is to pay extra for a priority spot.
Enjoy the journey.

[DAVES]

We are coming down to look at a house to buy this week and considering the autotrain, bringing one car to leave with a friend when we go back home to finish selling our house.

Any experience with the autotrain? what is the best way to get from the Villages to the Samford train station?

Thanks in advance

My two cents worth.
Coming down to look at a house to buy. Not sure how to read that. You have decided where, what model, price etc etc etc. Just be sure you are not locking yourself in due to time etc.
Far as the auto train. An adventure we did not use. Coming to the villages to shop? We did it three times before we bought. Our drive from our former location was 24 hours and I drove it as my wife does not drive. We? I did not drive it until we had bought. I loaded my car with stuff that I did not want on the moving van and drove with a packed car. Stuff I moved in my car, was mostly heavy stuff and valuable, irreplaceable stuff. Long distance movers although they will not directly say it that way charge you by weight and it is fixed by their contract. Aside, unless they give you a false estimate and then later tell you you owe more than quoted, you will find all of the interstate movers will in the end charge about the same per 100 pounds.

We used commercial airlines before we bought. Old info perhaps, we did it eight years ago. Airfare was $99 NY to Florida and auto rental was ???? $20 or so a day. To drive?
the tolls, the gas, the wear on your car. meals, one or two night in hotels far more expensive.

Leaving your car with a friend? A few days is a good friend. A few months, even a good friend might regret it. If, it is a long term situation, check on the proper way to store a car that is not being used. Long term, the battery will drain, rust can form inside the engine, brakes etc etc etc.

Moving your car on auto train. Not sure if you choose to move stuff in your trunk it is keeping with auto train rules or secure. Most cars, at least my car, the same key is used in the ignition as the doors and trunk. Most cars, at least mine have a fold down rear seat.
Just as you can/I can fold the back seat down to increase the cargo area. With the ignition key anyone can get into my trunk.

Best of luck.

[DAVES]

These notes bring back memories of my traveling by train from NY to North Carolina and the ride then. It was during WWII and I was around 8 years old. My father was an Officer in the Air Force and transferred from NY to a base in Wilmington,NC. We came down by
train, like a "Troop Train". No air conditioning, many many stops in the heat, could not get off and it was packed. Forget food. Now the ride from FL to Va is with breakfast, air conditioning, your car is with you, you can actually get a cabin and some complain? Wow,
have we become spoiled. :a040:

No question things have changed. I just heard as also an ex New Yorker. As kids NY was the most populated state in the Union. Today by far it is California, Next is Texas, while I've been to Texas a few times, I would never have guessed it was number two, Florida is now number three and New York is number four. Air conditioning is the reason. As kids,
Florida is was hot, humid and loaded with mosquitoes. We coulda bought land dirt cheap.
Soulda, clulda mighta. Hum, remember all the scandals of people selling and that was underwater or nonexistant.

We/I sometimes wonder as people think crime etc etc etc was, is a recent invention.

[meme5x]

Interesting.. can you get auto train from St Louis? Approximately how much does it cost and can you load up car? Thank You

[John_W]

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[Pairadocs]

We are coming down to look at a house to buy this week and considering the autotrain, bringing one car to leave with a friend when we go back home to finish selling our house.

Any experience with the autotrain? what is the best way to get from the Villages to the Samford train station?

Thanks in advance

Have friends with home in the V's who have used it for years, would not do anything else. Just took it again last week, binge watched Netflix, good dinner with wine included. will be back in a few months again on Auto Train. If you would like to see every detail from auto loading to the actual trip, there are many fine videos on UTube that show everything about the trip. Only way I know of to get to Sanford is to drive there or try to hire a private driver to take you, don't know of any shuttle service on a regular basis.

[Laurel Maryland]

Go to the Amtrak website and check their prices. For a limited time only, fares from Lorton Virginia to Sanford Florida are as low as $9 one way PLUS the price of your car. If you can purchase your tickets now and travel during the promotional ime period, you can save a bundle. I take the Autotrain all the time - love it. Be aware that Amtrak no longer provides meals to passengers traveling coach. A few years ago they provided a decent dinner to ALL passengers, regardless of class of travel, but no more.

[fcgiii]

That is true. We tried to book it without a car as we are 5 minutes from the Lorton VA station and Amtrak said it was a no no.