Sepsis and Corona Virus 19.

[Taltarzac725]

These two seem very much entwined.

More study is needed though. I have talked to some Villagers and unless they are in the medical field or had a family member die of sepsis they did not know what it was.


Expert: Severe COVID-19 Illness Is Viral Sepsis | HealthLeaders Media (https://www.healthleadersmedia.com/clinical-care/expert-severe-covid-19-illness-viral-sepsis)

Coronavirus (COVID-19) | Sepsis Alliance (https://www.sepsis.org/sepsisand/coronavirus-covid-19/)

Sepsis - Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sepsis/symptoms-causes/syc-20351214)

[graciegirl]

When I was small, I heard it called "blood poisoning".

[manaboutown]

Several men I have known died from sepsis.

[Taltarzac725]

Several men I have known died from sepsis.

Some people close to me died from it or recovered from it.

It is not a word you want to hear from your doctor. That is-- that someone's infection has gone septic. Septic Shock: Symptoms, Causes, Diagnosis, Treatment & More (https://www.healthline.com/health/septic-shock)

[dhdallas]

These two seem very much entwined.

More study is needed though. I have talked to some Villagers and unless they are in the medical field or had a family member die of sepsis they did not know what it was.


Expert: Severe COVID-19 Illness Is Viral Sepsis | HealthLeaders Media (https://www.healthleadersmedia.com/clinical-care/expert-severe-covid-19-illness-viral-sepsis)

Coronavirus (COVID-19) | Sepsis Alliance (https://www.sepsis.org/sepsisand/coronavirus-covid-19/)

Sepsis - Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sepsis/symptoms-causes/syc-20351214)

Isn't the media bad enough at publicizing the worst possible outcomes? Individuals with no background in healthcare or infectious diseases promoting and fanning the public's fears are not helping.

Johns Hopkins Medicine states that septicemia, or sepsis, is the clinical name for blood poisoning by bacteria. It is the body's most extreme response to an infection. Almost any type of infection can lead to sepsis but it is not something that goes hand-in-hand with every case of COVID. Sepsis is more likely to ocurr when patients are in the end stages of any number of diseases especially people with chronic medical conditions, such as diabetes, lung disease, cancer, and kidney disease according to the CDC.

I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

- David H. Dallas, RN, ENT-Paramedic, ASN - Retired

[Taltarzac725]

Isn't the media bad enough at publicizing the worst possible outcomes? Individuals with no background in healthcare or infectious diseases promoting and fanning the public's fears are not helping.

Johns Hopkins Medicine states that septicemia, or sepsis, is the clinical name for blood poisoning by bacteria. It is the body's most extreme response to an infection. Almost any type of infection can lead to sepsis but it is not something that goes hand-in-hand with every case of COVID. Sepsis is more likely to ocurr when patients are in the end stages of any number of diseases especially people with chronic medical conditions, such as diabetes, lung disease, cancer, and kidney disease according to the CDC.

I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

- David H. Dallas, RN, ENT-Paramedic, ASN - Retired

More research is needed. And I have been talking to now practicing doctors and nurses in the Villages over the past few months about sepsis and quite a lot.

Corona Virus and sepsis are closely connected especially with respect to numbers given for deaths from either.

Sepsis and Coronavirus Disease 2019: Common Features and Anti-Inflammatory Therapeutic Approaches (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7467034/)

[Girlcopper]

When I was small, I heard it called "blood poisoning".
Yes, from what I know its a viral blood infection. Could be bacterial too. But, Im no expert

[Carole clausen]

I had pneumonia 5 times, the last time it developed into sepsis. Was quickly put into ICU and stayed there for five days. Dr. Said had I waited a few more hours to come to the hospital there would have been no turning it around. It is very painful and because of it I have damaged lungs. Glad I got my Covid shots!

[JimmyDebbie]

Prior to my retirement almost a year ago, my position was Sepsis Coordinator at the hospital where I worked. I am very familiar with sepsis. Sepsis in itself is basically a bad infection——any kind of infection can lead to sepsis, even something as “simple” as a tooth abscess. So pay attention to any possible infection you may have. Sepsis can affect people of all ages, but is most concerning for people with multiple co-morbidities, the elderly, immunocompromised patients, drug and alcohol addicts, and those who are malnourished (including the homeless), to name a few.

When diagnosed early, sepsis is very treatable with fluids and appropriate antibiotics. The problem comes about as sepsis progresses along a continuum into severe sepsis and septic shock. The mortality rate increases as sepsis progresses. The difficulty that often occurs comes from the fact that sepsis can progress very rapidly and in its early stages may not always be identified as sepsis. Many times, by the time a sepsis patient arrives to an emergency room, sepsis has already passed the earlier stages, unidentified, and is progressing down the more dangerous path.

It is important to identify and treat sepsis in its earliest stages. The worse it becomes, more and more vital organs begin to shut down. Pay attention to early symptoms such as fever, elevated heart rate, faster breathing than normal —- all of these can be symptoms of any kind of infection, whether it is bacterial or viral (as in the case of Covid or flu). There are certain lab tests that can also help in the diagnosis of sepsis (such as elevated lactic acid, elevated creatinine and others). Obtaining appropriate lab work is but another reason for the importance of being seen by a healthcare provider early on when sepsis is suspected. It is much better to suspect sepsis and investigate early than to ignore or disregard even mild symptoms. Sepsis can be treated if diagnosed early and it’s progression stopped. Suspect sepsis, save lives!

[DAVES]

Isn't the media bad enough at publicizing the worst possible outcomes? Individuals with no background in healthcare or infectious diseases promoting and fanning the public's fears are not helping.

Johns Hopkins Medicine states that septicemia, or sepsis, is the clinical name for blood poisoning by bacteria. It is the body's most extreme response to an infection. Almost any type of infection can lead to sepsis but it is not something that goes hand-in-hand with every case of COVID. Sepsis is more likely to ocurr when patients are in the end stages of any number of diseases especially people with chronic medical conditions, such as diabetes, lung disease, cancer, and kidney disease according to the CDC.

I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

- David H. Dallas, RN, ENT-Paramedic, ASN - Retired


It is perhaps a symptom of panic. We are seeing it everywhere. The vaccines, to heck with everyone I'm getting a vaccine. Truth, I too am guilty. We won an appointment and got our second dose last week. I am, I have, am I more at risk than others? Reality, I did not give up my appointment for someone else. I am not aware of anyone who did.
My excuse? My justification?

[Taltarzac725]

Sepsis | UF Health, University of Florida Health (https://ufhealth.org/sepsis)

I know three people who live or visit our Villages' block who got Corona Virus 19 and recovered from it. They are fine.

Others I have heard of died from Corona Virus 19 here in the Villages. My cousin died from Corona Virus on January 6, 2021 but he lived outside of the Villages on the West Coast of Florida near Ft. Myers.

Sepsis is something we should always be on the lookout for especially after we overcome this COVID 19 challenge.

[Taltarzac725]

Prior to my retirement almost a year ago, my position was Sepsis Coordinator at the hospital where I worked. I am very familiar with sepsis. Sepsis in itself is basically a bad infection——any kind of infection can lead to sepsis, even something as “simple” as a tooth abscess. So pay attention to any possible infection you may have. Sepsis can affect people of all ages, but is most concerning for people with multiple co-morbidities, the elderly, immunocompromised patients, drug and alcohol addicts, and those who are malnourished (including the homeless), to name a few.

When diagnosed early, sepsis is very treatable with fluids and appropriate antibiotics. The problem comes about as sepsis progresses along a continuum into severe sepsis and septic shock. The mortality rate increases as sepsis progresses. The difficulty that often occurs comes from the fact that sepsis can progress very rapidly and in its early stages may not always be identified as sepsis. Many times, by the time a sepsis patient arrives to an emergency room, sepsis has already passed the earlier stages, unidentified, and is progressing down the more dangerous path.

It is important to identify and treat sepsis in its earliest stages. The worse it becomes, more and more vital organs begin to shut down. Pay attention to early symptoms such as fever, elevated heart rate, faster breathing than normal —- all of these can be symptoms of any kind of infection, whether it is bacterial or viral (as in the case of Covid or flu). There are certain lab tests that can also help in the diagnosis of sepsis (such as elevated lactic acid, elevated creatinine and others). Obtaining appropriate lab work is but another reason for the importance of being seen by a healthcare provider early on when sepsis is suspected. It is much better to suspect sepsis and investigate early than to ignore or disregard even mild symptoms. Sepsis can be treated if diagnosed early and it’s progression stopped. Suspect sepsis, save lives!

This is very helpful. Thanks for posting this. There was a death in my immediate family from sepsis on December 5, 2020. It developed out of C.diff. C. diff (Clostridioides difficile) | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/cdiff/index.html)

[Gulfcoast]

The actress Tanya Roberts, age 65, (Charlie's Angels, That 70's Show) died from complications resulting from an untreated urinary tract infection. She had just walked her dog when she came home and collapsed. From what I've heard, infections can go from bad to worse in a hurry if you don't seek treatment early enough. She didn't have Covid as far as I know but I have heard of others who have had the combo of advanced urinary tract infection + Covid not end well.

[allsport]

While you are quick to jump on the bandwagon of this is not serious, it is important to note there are more than 525,000 people dead so that hardly qualifies as rare issues. Sepsis can hit anyone as evidenced in the 70's of toxic shock syndrome from use of tampons by young healthy women. It is not limited to end stage co-morbidities and can strike young healthy people, there are multiple examples of death resulting. Credentials are only important when they are backed by an in-depth scientific study that far exceeds basic degrees.

[Two Bills]

Isn't the media bad enough at publicizing the worst possible outcomes? Individuals with no background in healthcare or infectious diseases promoting and fanning the public's fears are not helping.

Johns Hopkins Medicine states that septicemia, or sepsis, is the clinical name for blood poisoning by bacteria. It is the body's most extreme response to an infection. Almost any type of infection can lead to sepsis but it is not something that goes hand-in-hand with every case of COVID. Sepsis is more likely to ocurr when patients are in the end stages of any number of diseases especially people with chronic medical conditions, such as diabetes, lung disease, cancer, and kidney disease according to the CDC.

I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

- David H. Dallas, RN, ENT-Paramedic, ASN - Retired

Yet you, with no virology qualification advise people to not get vaccinated!
Just because you were a RN and a paramedic does not make you an expert on Covid or vaccinations.
You are spouting your unqualified opinion, so are no better than those you decry!

[Taltarzac725]

Sepsis and the Death of Muhammad Ali: Learn the Warning Signs - Abington - Jefferson Health (https://www.abingtonhealth.org/healthy-living/health-news/library/articles-related-to-general-health/sepsis-and-the-death-of-muhammad-ali-learn-the-warning-signs/#:~:text=When%20severe%20sepsis%20becomes%20the,it %20can%20result%20in%20amputation).

Muhammad Ali died of sepsis. Found this out when I was researching sepsis.

[grfmus03]

Interesting segment on 60 Minutes last night regarding a drug used for OCD symptoms that had a positive effect on people who contracted Covid 19. The drug helped to avoid/lessen sepsis in the individuals.


COVID-19 drug studies look at repurposed drugs - YouTube (https://youtu.be/SBjCfhai83U)

[RICH1]

Interesting segment on 60 Minutes last night regarding a drug used for OCD symptoms that had a positive effect on people who contracted Covid 19. The drug helped to avoid/lessen sepsis in the individuals.


COVID-19 drug studies look at repurposed drugs - YouTube (https://youtu.be/SBjCfhai83U)
Saw that segment... no doubt that Drug should be used for all Covid patients! Fluoxetine Is the drug!

[Boomer]

Prior to my retirement almost a year ago, my position was Sepsis Coordinator at the hospital where I worked. I am very familiar with sepsis. Sepsis in itself is basically a bad infection——any kind of infection can lead to sepsis, even something as “simple” as a tooth abscess. So pay attention to any possible infection you may have. Sepsis can affect people of all ages, but is most concerning for people with multiple co-morbidities, the elderly, immunocompromised patients, drug and alcohol addicts, and those who are malnourished (including the homeless), to name a few.

When diagnosed early, sepsis is very treatable with fluids and appropriate antibiotics. The problem comes about as sepsis progresses along a continuum into severe sepsis and septic shock. The mortality rate increases as sepsis progresses. The difficulty that often occurs comes from the fact that sepsis can progress very rapidly and in its early stages may not always be identified as sepsis. Many times, by the time a sepsis patient arrives to an emergency room, sepsis has already passed the earlier stages, unidentified, and is progressing down the more dangerous path.

It is important to identify and treat sepsis in its earliest stages. The worse it becomes, more and more vital organs begin to shut down. Pay attention to early symptoms such as fever, elevated heart rate, faster breathing than normal —- all of these can be symptoms of any kind of infection, whether it is bacterial or viral (as in the case of Covid or flu). There are certain lab tests that can also help in the diagnosis of sepsis (such as elevated lactic acid, elevated creatinine and others). Obtaining appropriate lab work is but another reason for the importance of being seen by a healthcare provider early on when sepsis is suspected. It is much better to suspect sepsis and investigate early than to ignore or disregard even mild symptoms. Sepsis can be treated if diagnosed early and it’s progression stopped. Suspect sepsis, save lives!

The actress Tanya Roberts, age 65, (Charlie's Angels, That 70's Show) died from complications resulting from an untreated urinary tract infection. She had just walked her dog when she came home and collapsed. From what I've heard, infections can go from bad to worse in a hurry if you don't seek treatment early enough. She didn't have Covid as far as I know but I have heard of others who have had the combo of advanced urinary tract infection + Covid not end well.



Thank you to both of you for sharing factual information that could save a life. This thread could turn out to be of real importance.

Long before Covid. . .

For those who have older family members and friends in their lives, it is crucial to be aware of the fact that a urinary tract infection in an older person can present as a quick onset of dementia.

As a hovering daughter, I caught this symptom immediately. I remember saying to my dad’s doctor, “Are we ever going to get Dad’s sharp brain back?”

His doctor told me, “Just wait.” (He knew it was a UTI, did a direct admit to the hospital, and hooked him up to IV antibiotics — fast.)

It was like a miracle. Dad quickly came around to his old witty self and even remembered the things he had said as the infection began to take hold of his system.

I do not normally share much personal information on TOTV, but this is important enough for me to go ahead and talk about because Dad could have died from a damned UTI. (I think he would want me to let others know to be aware.)

I have since known of this to happen with others. The first thing I always say when hearing about sudden dementia symptoms is, “Please get medical attention immediately. It could be a UTI.”

Boomer

[Taltarzac725]

Fluvoxamine: Finding a possible early treatment for COVID-19 in a 40-year-old antidepressant - 60 Minutes - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fluvoxamine-antidepressant-drug-covid-treatment-60-minutes-2021-03-07/)

This has some good information. I was watching game shows last night so missed the show on 60 Minutes. It does mention COVID 19 and sepsis.

[Chall]

I had a burst appendix in Nov. that caused sepsis. Had 5 surgeries and had colon and bowel resections. Almost 3 months to recover. Feel glad to be here!

[Taltarzac725]

I had a burst appendix in Nov. that caused sepsis. Had 5 surgeries and had colon and bowel resections. Almost 3 months to recover. Feel glad to be here!

Glad to hear you recovered.

[Taltarzac725]

Atonement (2007) - Rotten Tomatoes (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/atonement)

One of the major characters in this movie dies from sepsis.

filmboards.com - When did Robbie Get Septicemia? (https://filmboards.com/board/t/When-did-Robbie-Get-Septicemia%3F-714622/)

[Carla B]

The first time I heard of sepsis was while reading the book "Blood and Money", several years ago. It is a fascinating true crime account by Tom Thompson, and took place in Houston in the late 1960's. A socialite, Joan Robinson Hill, daughter of Ash Robinson, a local oil tycoon, was married to plastic surgeon, Dr. John Hill, who was unfaithful. I recall that she contracted sepsis and died. Her father blamed Dr. Hill for causing her death by introducing sepsis to her system. The story goes that he hired goons to shoot and kill Hill at home in front of his young son and new wife. At that time I lived in Houston and vividly recall the exact place where I was when the news broke. Ash Robinson and his hired cast of characters were later tried.

The book went out of print but I see it has now been revived and is available on Amazon. I plan to buy and read it again.

[Taltarzac725]

Tanya Roberts died from urinary tract infection that caused sepsis (https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/actress-tanya-roberts-died-urinary-tract-infection-turned-sepsis-n1253191)

Tanya Roberts passed from sepsis due to a urinary tract infection.

Thank you to both of you for sharing factual information that could save a life. This thread could turn out to be of real importance.

Long before Covid. . .

For those who have older family members and friends in their lives, it is crucial to be aware of the fact that a urinary tract infection in an older person can present as a quick onset of dementia.

As a hovering daughter, I caught this symptom immediately. I remember saying to my dad’s doctor, “Are we ever going to get Dad’s sharp brain back?”

His doctor told me, “Just wait.” (He knew it was a UTI, did a direct admit to the hospital, and hooked him up to IV antibiotics — fast.)

It was like a miracle. Dad quickly came around to his old witty self and even remembered the things he had said as the infection began to take hold of his system.

I do not normally share much personal information on TOTV, but this is important enough for me to go ahead and talk about because Dad could have died from a damned UTI. (I think he would want me to let others know to be aware.)

I have since known of this to happen with others. The first thing I always say when hearing about sudden dementia symptoms is, “Please get medical attention immediately. It could be a UTI.”

Boomer

[Gulfcoast]

Thank you to both of you for sharing factual information that could save a life. This thread could turn out to be of real importance.

Long before Covid. . .

For those who have older family members and friends in their lives, it is crucial to be aware of the fact that a urinary tract infection in an older person can present as a quick onset of dementia.

As a hovering daughter, I caught this symptom immediately. I remember saying to my dad’s doctor, “Are we ever going to get Dad’s sharp brain back?”

His doctor told me, “Just wait.” (He knew it was a UTI, did a direct admit to the hospital, and hooked him up to IV antibiotics — fast.)

It was like a miracle. Dad quickly came around to his old witty self and even remembered the things he had said as the infection began to take hold of his system.

I do not normally share much personal information on TOTV, but this is important enough for me to go ahead and talk about because Dad could have died from a damned UTI. (I think he would want me to let others know to be aware.)

I have since known of this to happen with others. The first thing I always say when hearing about sudden dementia symptoms is, “Please get medical attention immediately. It could be a UTI.”

Boomer

Thank you for sharing your story. Out of curiosity, how were you able to recognize that your dad had a urinary tract infection? Was he complaining of discomfort? Did he have a fever? I realize that the sudden onset of dementia in your dad had you running him to the doctor but what made the doctor know right away it was a UTI?

I think that sometimes people are on pain killers for various reasons and those can deaden the sensation of a UTI. They don't realize that they have one until they are peeing blood or spiking a fever.

[Boomer]

. . .tmi

[Taltarzac725]

The first time I heard of sepsis was while reading the book "Blood and Money", several years ago. It is a fascinating true crime account by Tom Thompson, and took place in Houston in the late 1960's. A socialite, Joan Robinson Hill, daughter of Ash Robinson, a local oil tycoon, was married to plastic surgeon, Dr. John Hill, who was unfaithful. I recall that she contracted sepsis and died. Her father blamed Dr. Hill for causing her death by introducing sepsis to her system. The story goes that he hired goons to shoot and kill Hill at home in front of his young son and new wife. At that time I lived in Houston and vividly recall the exact place where I was when the news broke. Ash Robinson and his hired cast of characters were later tried.

The book went out of print but I see it has now been revived and is available on Amazon. I plan to buy and read it again.

Joan Robinson Hill - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Robinson_Hill)

That is quite interesting.

[Gulfcoast]

He was not on painkillers so that wasn’t it. Actually, what happened was we had just been at his house, left, and returned later with dinner. He had been fine just 2 hours before.

In just that short time, something had gone haywire. He had spiked a fever, but even more scary was that he was not himself. There had been no previous symptoms that he had mentioned. He had seemed fine and then BAM.

His doc was always very good about calling back and when I reported not only the fever but the unusual behavior, we were told to get him over to the hospital immediately for a direct admit. (The behavior was that he went back in time to when he was a kid and talked to me about things he had done decades ago as if they were happening in real time.)

I had no idea it was a UTI. The symptoms came on so fast. A fever is one thing, but that behavior was something else.

We have known 2 others this happened to. In one case, the woman was thinking someone else was her husband who had died years before. In that case, she was in an assisted living and the nurse there knew immediately to check for a UTI.

I have learned that if an older person starts suddenly behaving oddly, it is really important to get immediate medical attention.

Once you see this happen and find yourself being thankful for a UTI that could be treated, you will remember it whenever you hear about a sudden onset of dementia-like symptoms.

Boomer

Thank you. Does your dad live nearby you in TV? It's wonderful that you have been able to be so on top of things with him.

[jimjamuser]

It is perhaps a symptom of panic. We are seeing it everywhere. The vaccines, to heck with everyone I'm getting a vaccine. Truth, I too am guilty. We won an appointment and got our second dose last week. I am, I have, am I more at risk than others? Reality, I did not give up my appointment for someone else. I am not aware of anyone who did.
My excuse? My justification?
That sounded racked by guilt!

[jimjamuser]

While you are quick to jump on the bandwagon of this is not serious, it is important to note there are more than 525,000 people dead so that hardly qualifies as rare issues. Sepsis can hit anyone as evidenced in the 70's of toxic shock syndrome from use of tampons by young healthy women. It is not limited to end stage co-morbidities and can strike young healthy people, there are multiple examples of death resulting. Credentials are only important when they are backed by an in-depth scientific study that far exceeds basic degrees.
"Killed by a Tampon", not something you would want to be etched into your gravestone.

[jimjamuser]

Yet you, with no virology qualification advise people to not get vaccinated!
Just because you were a RN and a paramedic does not make you an expert on Covid or vaccinations.
You are spouting your unqualified opinion, so are no better than those you decry!
True that. ! Way to go Bill. 2 Bills are better than 1.

[Spalumbos62]

"Killed by a Tampon", not something you would want to be etched into your gravestone.

Sometimes people say the stupidest, most childish things...hoping to get a laugh...this is one of them.

[Boomer]

Edited out. Point made.

[Taltarzac725]

Can COVID-19 cause sepsis? | Ohio State Medical Center (https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/can-covid19-cause-sepsis)

I added another link about sepsis and Corona Virus 19.

Hopefully there will be more developments in this area with more research.

[newgirl]

My father died of it, happens all the time in hospitals after surgery.

[newgirl]

My father died of it, happens all the time in hospitals after surgery. He got peritonitis first from a colon blockage and then sepsis and antibiotics kept him alive for a long time but every time they tried to lower the strength of the antibiotic he would code. Finally, we just took him home to die a respectable death since his stomach skin was tearing from inside pouring bowel outside his body. Hardest decision I have ever had to make. I knew he would never recover...

[rwfisher1969]

Isn't the media bad enough at publicizing the worst possible outcomes? Individuals with no background in healthcare or infectious diseases promoting and fanning the public's fears are not helping.

Johns Hopkins Medicine states that septicemia, or sepsis, is the clinical name for blood poisoning by bacteria. It is the body's most extreme response to an infection. Almost any type of infection can lead to sepsis but it is not something that goes hand-in-hand with every case of COVID. Sepsis is more likely to ocurr when patients are in the end stages of any number of diseases especially people with chronic medical conditions, such as diabetes, lung disease, cancer, and kidney disease according to the CDC.

I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

- David H. Dallas, RN, ENT-Paramedic, ASN - Retired

You are better off trying to draw blood from a stone than trying to get others from suffering from "The sky is falling" syndrome! :1rotfl: