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Guest
09-08-2010, 04:07 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100907/ap_on_re_as/as_afghanistan

This church's ( Dove World Outreach Center Terry Jones' leadership) plans to burn the Koran on 9/11 makes us here in Central FL look like a bunch of crackers.

Guest
09-08-2010, 04:15 PM
Not so much like crackers as extreme religious zealots. Extreme religion is often very dangerous. ...except for extreme kindness. Hating and hurting can only get back in kind.

The present situation in the world has bred a lot of fear and unfortunately it has polarized people.

Guest
09-08-2010, 05:10 PM
It is reported that a bank has called in the 'church's' mortgage: pay $140,000 now or face foreclosure. No info on timing, whether the call or his (IMHO) bigoted effort came first. Think this might be a fund-raising gimmick?

Guest
09-08-2010, 06:02 PM
Last week all I heard when the discussion was around the mosque in NYC was that the people against it needed to learn tolerance. Even our ppresident said they had the right to build it, but it may not be the best wisdom to do so. The ACLU and our courts have all declared the burning of our flag as free speech, the protests of our fallen soldiers funerals by Westwood Baptist as free speech, burning of the bible as being OK etc etc. The problem is with us, we, as Americans, need to be tolerant. Why is this any different ? Doesn't seem to go both ways.

I don't agree with the burning of the Quran but I don't agree with the other actions I cited above either. However, like it or not, it is a right that is protected by our Constitution.

The more telling information coming out of this is the extent of hatred being shown towards this pastor, not only by Americans, but from the extremists we are at war with. Why aren't they tolerant and show an understanding of our Constitution ? It only seems to be understood when it benefits them.

Guest
09-08-2010, 06:41 PM
This is beyond scary. It's bad enough that there is intolerance in the world, but this act will make things worse. Lives of our military and civilian population will be in danger.

That particular ministry is just as frightening as the militant Muslims. Religious zealots seem to be less tolerant of others....it's their way or the highway so to speak.

Guest
09-08-2010, 09:50 PM
and is too self centered stupid to realize the impact he is making....negative.
In addition to painting a target on his own back and any innocents nearby him.

btk

Guest
09-08-2010, 11:13 PM
I actually heard a soldier on Sean Hannity supporting this guy. His point was that the military is all voluntary and everyone in the military took an oath to protect the Constitution of the United States.

There are a lot of things done in this country I don't agree with, this being one of them, but they are part of living in a free country. Do you want your freedoms revoked ? Who decides what is acceptable and what isn't in terms of freedom of speech ?

I would love to stop the Iman from building the mosque in NYC near ground zero or kick somebody's butt that burns the US flag or ban the people from Westwood Baptist that tried to ruin the funeral of my friend's son who died in Iraq but we don't do that.

Guest
09-09-2010, 06:11 AM
They have the right to express their opinions. Just as I have the right to be dumbfounded that the pastor can't see that he is acting EXACTLY like the people he condemns. He is reducing himself and his flock to their level.

Guest
09-09-2010, 08:50 AM
They have the right to express their opinions. Just as I have the right to be dumbfounded that the pastor can't see that he is acting EXACTLY like the people he condemns. He is reducing himself and his flock to their level.

The local fire department where this church is had a spokeswoman on the local news who said that local law forbids burning of books because of the ink in them. She also suggested that the F.D. would intercede to stop the book burning.

You would think that this would fit in though with the time and place restrictions on free speech. This is sort of like yelling "terrorist with bomb" at a NFL football game. It is extremely stupid and a dangerous thing to do. Plus, it is an action which goes beyond just mere speech.

Guest
09-09-2010, 08:53 AM
to him by covering him and his actions 24/7.
It is a classic for showing exactly where the priorities of the media are.
If it bleeds it leads and if they can help make it bleed they do just that.
Like politicians they have no morals or values or concern for we the people.

btk

Guest
09-09-2010, 09:06 AM
I do not condone the burning of the Quran just as I would not condone the burning of the Torah or Bibles.

I also understand that the Mosque location in NYC is guaranteed by our Constitution. What I cannnot get an understanding of, is the reasons given for actions that may certainly take place if done. or for that matter, the actions already taken even before the book burning. We saw in the TV News the burning of the American Flag and the effergy burnings in Afghanistan

Where is the quid pro quo? Our leaders say that these actions will result in more recruiting of radical more radical Islamic Fundamentalists, Jihadists and violence against America. So if the Mosque is located where the Iman wants it, close to Ground Zero, and the FL Pastor does not burn the Quran, what will be the result? Will we see Peace and a reduction in violence? Not likely, based on recent history

Seems to me, that there will only be continued violence in the future and it wont be reduced or eliminated if the Quran is not burned or if the Mosque is built where planned. When will we hear from those we worry about offending, when violence against the West takes place?

To get a better understanding of those we are worried about offending, consider viewing this clip of an interview with a Jihadist on CNN's GPS program. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/09/05/gps.int.jihadi.cnn

Guest
09-09-2010, 10:48 AM
I do not condone the burning of the Quran just as I would not condone the burning of the Torah or Bibles.

I also understand that the Mosque location in NYC is guaranteed by our Constitution. What I cannnot get an understanding of, is the reasons given for actions that may certainly take place if done. or for that matter, the actions already taken even before the book burning. We saw in the TV News the burning of the American Flag and the effergy burnings in Afghanistan

Where is the quid pro quo? Our leaders say that these actions will result in more recruiting of radical more radical Islamic Fundamentalists, Jihadists and violence against America. So if the Mosque is located where the Iman wants it, close to Ground Zero, and the FL Pastor does not burn the Quran, what will be the result? Will we see Peace and a reduction in violence? Not likely, based on recent history

Seems to me, that there will only be continued violence in the future and it wont be reduced or eliminated if the Quran is not burned or if the Mosque is built where planned. When will we hear from those we worry about offending, when violence against the West takes place?

To get a better understanding of those we are worried about offending, consider viewing this clip of an interview with a Jihadist on CNN's GPS program. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/09/05/gps.int.jihadi.cnn

This "Jihadist" probably thinks the CIA is behind the pastor's plan of burning the Koran in Gainesville. What surprises me is that this extreme radicalist "Muslim" Anjem Choudary used to be a lawyer. He seems to blame everything else on the CIA.

Guest
09-09-2010, 11:17 AM
i read a joke today which is apropos here...Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit...Wisdom is not putting one in a fruit salad....just as the mosque supporters have a "right" to build, and just as this pastor has a "right" to burn, widsom would do otherwise.

Guest
09-09-2010, 04:15 PM
The Koran burning stunt has been cancelled. It sounds like the pastor will get a say on the NY City 9/11 site mosque getting moved.

Guest
09-09-2010, 04:28 PM
I have been trying to hold my breath. But I can't. When are you people going to understand that these people are not radical jihadist. They are good Muslims. A good Muslim is one who follows the teachings of the Koran. They are required by their God to be sure that all the world is Muslim. They think that we are infidels. They think that we should be converted or killed. I encourage you to read the Koran. It is very clear and they follow it literally. They are good Muslims. These are the people commanded by their God to spread sharia law throughout the world. That is their intent. Those are their actions. When are we going to learn? Are we idiots? I think not. But we do have to get our heads out of our butts and realize what we are dealing with.

We are told that if this man burns the Koran it will cause problems and upset Muslims throughout the world. I don't necessarily think that it is a wise thing for this person to burn the Koran. But if somebody draws a picture of Mohammed is going to upset Muslims throughout the world. Most recently we have been told that if Muslims are not allowed to build the Ground Zero mosque where they wish to build it, it will upset Muslims throughout the world.

Don't you know when you are being jerked around? Muslims are forcing their way into our society in ways that we do not want them to. We are being told that we must allow them to or we will upset them.

When we going to learn? When are You going to learn?

Just some thoughts.

Yoda

Guest
09-09-2010, 04:49 PM
I have been trying to hold my breath. But I can't. When are you people going to understand that these people are not radical jihadist. They are good Muslims. A good Muslim is one who follows the teachings of the Koran. They are required by their God to be sure that all the world is Muslim. They think that we are infidels. They think that we should be converted or killed. I encourage you to read the Koran. It is very clear and they follow it literally. They are good Muslims. These are the people commanded by their God to spread sharia law throughout the world. That is their intent. Those are their actions. When are we going to learn? Are we idiots? I think not. But we do have to get our heads out of our butts and realize what we are dealing with.

We are told that if this man burns the Koran it will cause problems and upset Muslims throughout the world. I don't necessarily think that it is a wise thing for this person to burn the Koran. But if somebody draws a picture of Mohammed is going to upset Muslims throughout the world. Most recently we have been told that if Muslims are not allowed to build the Ground Zero mosque where they wish to build it, it will upset Muslims throughout the world.

Don't you know when you are being jerked around? Muslims are forcing their way into our society in ways that we do not want them to. We are being told that we must allow them to or we will upset them.

When we going to learn? When are You going to learn?

Just some thoughts.

Yoda

Please read the story, watch the cnn tube video, and then explain to me how screwed up this country and this debate is over mosques, bibles, and Korans, has gotten.

The US Military burned unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan: It is true per CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=JBFcvHdFIcc

Guest
09-09-2010, 04:54 PM
Please read the story, watch the cnn tube video, and then explain to me how screwed up this country and this debate is over mosques, bibles, and Korans, has gotten.

The US Military burned unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan: It is true per CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=JBFcvHdFIcc

like I said.

Yoda

Guest
09-09-2010, 05:16 PM
like I said.

Yoda

I just don't get it. Victims of 911 cannot complain about a mosque near ground zero because that is offensive to Muslims.

Some minister can't burn Koran's because it may offend Muslims.

BUT the US military BURNS BIBLES because they might offend Muslims?

That is NUTS!

Guest
09-09-2010, 05:41 PM
….if this pastor had scheduled a burning of the Koran on Sept. 12, 2001 how many of us would object? I speculate not many at all and we would probably cheer him on. Has the past nine years softened our outlook?

Yes, there are good reasons why he shouldn’t go forward with the burning but fear of retribution, angering Muslims around the world or troop safety shouldn’t be among them. Unfortunately our troops are always in danger while at their Middle East duty stations and our citizens are aware that a homeland attack could occur at any time. A cowering attitude is not the way to go.

We as a nation pledged to “Never Forget”, but the relaxing of our attitudes seems to indicate otherwise.

Guest
09-09-2010, 06:42 PM
muslims burn our flag all over the world, and nothing is said, thats ok
ever hear of a christian church in a muslim area, no, nadda, not allowed, they would burn it to the ground, so we are bound to keep k.i.t.a. and go with the flow, where does it ever stop


from distatesfull and demeaning bob, I am lower than low but politically incorrect!

Guest
09-09-2010, 07:26 PM
According to a recent news release, the pastor will NOT be burning the Quran as planned.

http://www.ocala.com/article/20100909/ARTICLES/100909735&tc=email_newsletter

Guest
09-09-2010, 07:40 PM
But the pastor thinks the imam is abandoning plans for the mosque.

This is a mess.

Guest
09-10-2010, 03:09 PM
I do not feel there is anything to gain from these ministers actions and personally feel it may even be counter-productive.....to burn or not to burn a Koran.....is not going to make one bit of difference in the Muslim world. The Muslim

Guest
09-10-2010, 03:43 PM
I think there is way too much hullabaloo made over this issue. Does anyone think we Americans will score any "brownie points" with the Islamic terrorists if this minister (or any other) has a church bonfire?

For those who think burning a Koran is "scary," I would suggest you pull out footage of burning bodies leaping out of the Twin Towers to their deaths.

I lost a dear friend in DC that day and almost lost another in NYC.

And on the horrible day, one of my most vivid memories was seeing the thousands of Muslim men and young boys dancing for joy in the streets while burning our American flag.

Personally, I think the Koran burnings is a stupid idea because in the long run all it will accomplish is to garner more sympathy and support for the Ground Zero Mosque.

So, while I wouldn't light a match.....I wouldn't put out the fire either.

Annabelle

Guest
09-10-2010, 04:25 PM
I saw an interview with Pastor Jones. He actually said that he thought the moderate Muslims should join him in the burning (this was before reports of it's cancellation) to protest the radicals.

So, Pastor Jones, if someone decides to burn Bibles to protest Catholic priests raping children, will you join and burn Bibles?

Guest
09-10-2010, 06:08 PM
I saw an interview with Pastor Jones. He actually said that he thought the moderate Muslims should join him in the burning (this was before reports of it's cancellation) to protest the radicals.

So, Pastor Jones, if someone decides to burn Bibles to protest Catholic priests raping children, will you join and burn Bibles?

Describe a moderate Muslim please?

Yoda

Guest
09-10-2010, 06:22 PM
I saw an interview with Pastor Jones. He actually said that he thought the moderate Muslims should join him in the burning (this was before reports of it's cancellation) to protest the radicals.

So, Pastor Jones, if someone decides to burn Bibles to protest Catholic priests raping children, will you join and burn Bibles?

The local news mentioned that Pastor Jones when asked if he had even read the Koran, he said no.

Guest
09-10-2010, 06:30 PM
Originally published June 18, 2007

"Christians in Gaza Fear for Their Lives as Muslims Burn Bibles and Destroy Crosses."

"A Catholic priest said that Hamas Muslim extremists burned bibles and destroyed crosses. There have been many attacks against Christians in Gaza over the last few months. Many Christians living in Gaza now fear for their lives and have expressed a desire to leave."


Where was the outrage?

Guest
09-10-2010, 06:34 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/article653160.ece

Guest
09-10-2010, 07:15 PM
Of course there were the crusades.

If ya wanna really worry about stuff.

And I don't want to worryl

But I do.

Guest
09-11-2010, 08:20 AM
Originally published June 18, 2007

"Christians in Gaza Fear for Their Lives as Muslims Burn Bibles and Destroy Crosses."

"A Catholic priest said that Hamas Muslim extremists burned bibles and destroyed crosses. There have been many attacks against Christians in Gaza over the last few months. Many Christians living in Gaza now fear for their lives and have expressed a desire to leave."


Where was the outrage?

Right here in this country, but the media and liberal organizations are determined to depict anyone who is opposed to the Ground Zero mosque as "extremist." The burning of the Koran does mean that we want to murder anyone who practices Islam ......only that we who are outraged that the very possibility a mosque could be built at ground zero when NOTHING has been erected to honor those Americans whose life was cut short by hate-filled people who happened to belong to a religion that condones violence. Of course not all Muslims are terrorists, but with the exception of a brave few, basically the Muslims in this country have shown little "outrage" after 9-11 nor for the proposed mosque at Ground Zero. Silence speaks volumes.

Annabelle

Guest
09-11-2010, 08:39 AM
I saw an interview with Pastor Jones. He actually said that he thought the moderate Muslims should join him in the burning (this was before reports of it's cancellation) to protest the radicals.

So, Pastor Jones, if someone decides to burn Bibles to protest Catholic priests raping children, will you join and burn Bibles?

Just a thought to make you consider something else in your long attended diatribes against Catholic priests; which I don't deny, some have been guilty of of what you say.
Do you know how many children are raped by the elders and imams in the Muslim world? Do you think that these oppressors of women are more kind to their congregants that western priests?
Of course with the immense stigma associated with rape victims in the Muslim world the victim almost never reveals themselves, as they will be the ones punished.
I would think that people who exist under the 5th century reality of these people are far more likely to have their personal rights trampled. Excuse me, what personal rights? I lost my head for a moment.