Did Justin Thomas win or did Lee Westwood lose the Players

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

On a day when 9 of the top 12 finishers broke 70, Lee Westwood shot 72, three worse than his worst round of the week.

I like Lee Westwood and was rooting for him all week. But he gave it away.

Take nothing away from JT but Westwood controlled his own fate. Thomas didn't.

[5:00somewhere]

Congratulations Justin Thomas....
But take a look at what Lee Westwood's putt was worth on 18? That was a $500,000 putt !
1st: $2,700,000 prize money at The Players
2nd: $1,635,000
3rd: $1,035,000
4th: $735,000
$500.000 DOLLARS solo 2nd place $1,635,000 minus the $1,135,00 he would have received. (He would have split with 2nd $1,635,000,+ 3rd $1,035,000 and + 4th $735,000 place money, divided by 3 players tied for $1,135,000 each)

[tvbound]

Just like all tournaments, and especially the big ones, it's a matter of who can control the internal pressure the most. While I was rooting for Westwood all week and hated to see him get so close and not be able to close it out (again), the 'old guy' has nothing to be ashamed about. As noted, at least that last putt was huge for the wallet. To answer the OP's question - JT won it.

[Polar Bear]

Totally disagree.

He didn’t play well enough to win, but flirting with par on that course on Sunday isn’t giving it away imo. Thomas just beat him and he deserved the win.

[tvbound]

Totally disagree.

He didn’t play well enough to win, but flirting with par on that course on Sunday isn’t giving it away imo. Thomas just beat him and he deserved the win.

Agreed, JT absolutely deserved to win. Considering that he couldn't buy a putt on the front and burned a lot of edges early, yet stayed emotionally steady and didn't let it bother him, his final score was actually higher than it could or should have been.

[retiredguy123]

Obviously, none of this really matters since Thomas won the tournament. But, he did outplay Westwood by 4 strokes in the final round. And, Westwood shot a 72, which was his worst round of the tournament. So, I think the pressure affected his game. Players who win the most tournaments are the ones who can maintain their game under pressure.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Obviously, none of this really matters since Thomas won the tournament. But, he did outplay Westwood by 4 strokes in the final round. And, Westwood shot a 72, which was his worst round of the tournament. So, I think the pressure affected his game. Players who win the most tournaments are the ones who can maintain their game under pressure.

That's another good point. Westwood shot 69-66-68-72. If he had even matched his worst round of the previous 3 he would have won. The average score of the top twelve finishers was 69.2 so a mediocre 69 or 70 by Westwood wins the tournament.

The fact that JT missed a lot putts on the front that Westwood made a boatload of 8-10 footers is completely irrelevant.

While it's true that Thomas beat Westwood by four strokes on Sunday, the fact that Westwood had his worst round of the tournament and was three shots worse than the average of the top twelve finishers is, to me, a collapse by Westwood more than come from behind victory by Thomas. If all of the leaders shot 80 and Thomas shot 72 no one would be talking about how he beat all the leaders by eight shots.

[DeanFL]

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as to "he lost it" or "he won it". I really didn't care in the least. I enjoyed watching it all. A wonderful, beautiful, fantastic, challenging course played under the most perfect conditions. We all know that it's a game on fractions of a centimeter and that emotions are so very difficult to control. In the end was pulling for 4 golfers, and they happened to land into those spots.

It surely was a treat to see Westwood again this week. I love that he has the experience and confidence to maintain the Book and not need second opinions as to shots etc. And Helen is a nice treat on the course. I hope that he does have a win soon, he deserves it. Glad he got 2nd to himself and the $$$.
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[Polar Bear]

... If all of the leaders shot 80 and Thomas shot 72 no one would be talking about how he beat all the leaders by eight shots.
Wow!! Totally disagree with you again, Doc. That would be huge news in the golf world. :D

[rooster49]

JTs two eagles won it for him

[Two Bills]

Thomas won it.
A lot of the caddies had a good four days finacially as well!

[rustyp]

Justin shot 4 under with $2700000 on the line. In my wildest dreams how can that be discredited ? Like that was a walk in the park thing to do ?

[jebartle]

Obviously, none of this really matters since Thomas won the tournament. But, he did outplay Westwood by 4 strokes in the final round. And, Westwood shot a 72, which was his worst round of the tournament. So, I think the pressure affected his game. Players who win the most tournaments are the ones who can maintain their game under pressure.

Especially on #4 for Westwood and Bryson was the game changer.

[blueash]

They showed a graphic on the telecast that reported that the last six times Westwood has been in the final pairing on Sunday he has not won the tournament. So now it's seven in a row. Either he has an issue dealing with pressure or at his age he just runs out of steam on the fourth day. By the way, the last six times Bryson was in the final pairing he won, until the Players.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Wow!! Totally disagree with you again, Doc. That would be huge news in the golf world. :D

I think that you misunderstood what I said. I agree that all the leaders shooting 80 in the final round would be the talk of the golf world. What I'm saying is that no one would be talking about how JT beat Lee Westwood.

Everyone would be talking about a big collapse and that Thomas lucked out.

[mastergolfer]

Shooting 13 under with a $500,000 birdie putt on the 18th is not a give away, JT just won it

[dewilson58]

As in every tourney.................first place won, second placer errors lost it.


Nothing different @ TPC.



:shrug:

[stanley]

As in every tourney.................first place won, second placer errors lost it.


Nothing different @ TPC.



:shrug:

It's that simple. I've always said there is no second place...there's a winner and the first looser.

[jbrown132]

On a day when 9 of the top 12 finishers broke 70, Lee Westwood shot 72, three worse than his worst round of the week.

I like Lee Westwood and was rooting for him all week. But he gave it away.

Take nothing away from JT but Westwood controlled his own fate. Thomas didn't.
Lee Westwood did not play bad. The course setup on Sunday at that tournament is always tough. JT was brilliant tee to green. When you go birdie, eagle, birdie, birdie, you deserve to win.

[Polar Bear]

As in every tourney.................first place won, second placer errors lost it.


Nothing different @ TPC.



:shrug:
What a gross oversimplification.

[dewilson58]

What a gross oversimplification.
sorry you think my comment is gross, but it's not in error.

[blueash]

It's that simple. I've always said there is no second place...there's a winner and the first looser.

I didn't notice anything baggy about Westwood's garments. Maybe a little loose but he did need some slack to be able to swing his arms.

[Sailohio]

Congratulations Justin Thomas....
But take a look at what Lee Westwood's putt was worth on 18? That was a $500,000 putt !
1st: $2,700,000 prize money at The Players
2nd: $1,635,000
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I have a hard time considering someone who won $1,635,000 a loser.

[stanley]

I didn't notice anything baggy about Westwood's garments. Maybe a little loose but he did need some slack to be able to swing his arms.

To edit or not to edit...that is the question. :faint:
I've scean more worst spilling then dat :ho:

[Polar Bear]

As in every tourney.................first place won, second placer errors lost it...What a gross oversimplification.sorry you think my comment is gross, but it's not in error.
Come on de. The word “gross” describes the word “oversimplification”, not your post.
And your post is simply your opinion. An opinion can’t be “in error”.

But I can certainly disagree with your opinion, which I do in this instance.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Lee Westwood did not play bad. The course setup on Sunday at that tournament is always tough. JT was brilliant tee to green. When you go birdie, eagle, birdie, birdie, you deserve to win.

You say that the course set up was tough but as I said, nine out of the top twelve broke 70. Westwood hit two balls in the water and several in the trees. He made a boatload of par saving 8-10 foot putts. He was13 under for the first three rounds. That's an average of 4-1/3 under pre round. That means that he was 4-1/3 shots worse in his final round. Even if he was two shots worse and shot 70 he would have won. He played poorly and lost the tournament.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I have a hard time considering someone who won $1,635,000 a loser.

I guarantee that if you told Lee Westwood that he could but had to give up the prize money, he'd take the win. Only people that know nothing about golf talk about the money like this.

[COLTempleton]

I pulled for JT - the American golfer.

[NAB20]

It's that simple. I've always said there is no second place...there's a winner and the first looser.

It is hard to think of someone who took home $1,635,000 (or even $885,000 in Bryson's case) as a looser.

Both Westwood's and Bryson's game really changed at hole 4 on Sunday. Was sorry to see that and was hoping for a rematch of last week. But don't forget about the Westwood's bonus. How many golfers get to kiss their caddy?

[jbrown132]

sorry you think my comment is gross, but it's not in error.
I would love to finish first loser every week. At the end of the season putting $25M or more in my pocket I really would not feel like much of a loser.

[dewilson58]

I would love to finish first loser every week. At the end of the season putting $25M or more in my pocket I really would not feel like much of a loser.
Me 2.
I think he earned $2.7mil in two week.
That's why he was smiling all week.

[Fredman]

JT won period end of story.

[stanley]

JT won period end of story.
Yep...and no matter how you look at it monetarily, Westwood is the first loser

[Inspector Mark]

Tiger would always talk about his plan to just stay in the hunt all weekend. You have to do well all weekend even if you are not doing great because you never know what will happen. Golf over 4 days is a lot like playoffs in other sports. Anyone or team can have a few great days but over time the best usually wins.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I would love to finish first loser every week. At the end of the season putting $25M or more in my pocket I really would not feel like much of a loser.

You have a very different attitude than professional golfers whose goal it is to be the best in the world. The money for most of the top players is secondary. Do you think that Rory Mcllroy is going to be happy with second place prize money in the Masters?

For those of you that don't know, Rory has won the other three majors. A win in the Masters would make him only the sixth player in history to have won all four majors in their career. He'd give away the first place check if he knew that he would win. Rory will make over $200 million from his Nike endorsement alone. He earns on average $50 million a year from playing golf. Do you think that the half million dollar difference between first and second means anything to him?

Yes, many of us would be thrilled to win $25 million in a season but the top golfers in the world today are not interested in another million or two by finishing second. But Tiger Woods is a billionaire. His goal was to beat Jack Nicklaus' record of 18 majors and he's not going to do that. The money if great but I'm sure that he give half of it away for five more majors.

[mike234]

well, Justin is the media darling, isn't he.... he mumbles a homophobic, slur and gets a media pass. nothing to see here, move along, and his family was watching the telecast also
Patrick reed gets an officials ruling, no penalty committed, the rules official on television exonerated him, and said no penalty, but the network announcers continued to howl about his cheating for the entire show. and also his family was watching the telecast also.... this happened about a month ago
I mean, where is the liberal outrage? it is called "double standard". this is the standard for America today.