Your vaccination is being tracked in a state data base

[coffeebean]

I surely hope this system to track our vaccinations will work as they claim it should. This will eliminate forgery for proof of vaccination.

Tracking the COVID-19 vaccine , from your arm to a CDC database (https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/12/16/covid-19-vaccine-data-supply-chain-software-immunization-registry-tiberius/3879655001/)

[golfing eagles]

I surely hope this system to track our vaccinations will work as they claim it should. This will eliminate forgery for proof of vaccination.

Tracking the COVID-19 vaccine , from your arm to a CDC database (https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/12/16/covid-19-vaccine-data-supply-chain-software-immunization-registry-tiberius/3879655001/)

So does George Orwell!!!

[coffeebean]

So does George Orwell!!!

I guess you believe Vaccine Passports are a bad idea?

[RICH1]

It's in your Permanent Record!

[golfing eagles]

I guess you believe Vaccine Passports are a bad idea?

Horrible idea

[Tom52]

Why are they still calling me to schedule my first dose when I have already had both doses? I would question the accuracy of such a database.

[Two Bills]

Europe is bringing in Vaccine passports to allow free travel.
I expect we in the UK will now have them, as the EU is doing everything it can to stuff us over Brexit, and they would love another excuse to stick one on us.
Once passports start, governments will all jump on the train.
I'm pretty sure it will be mandatory to travel and enter countries in many parts of the world before long.

[Two Bills]

Why are they still calling me to schedule my first dose when I have already had both doses? I would question the accuracy of such a database.

Did you cancel other booking you made?

[stanley]

Horrible idea

Agreed

[Marathon Man]

Why are they still calling me to schedule my first dose when I have already had both doses? I would question the accuracy of such a database.

The answer is easy.

Because they are not looking at CDC to decide if you still need to be on their list. They are simply going down their list of requests for appointments.

[camaguey48]

Agreed
I love to breathe my own carbon dioxide. So healthy.

[JohnN]

Why are they still calling me to schedule my first dose when I have already had both doses? I would question the accuracy of such a database.

Ask the folks who used the state unemployment data base how well that worked.
Color me cynical.

"We're from the government and we're here to help" goes along with jumbo shrimp and honest politician.

[thelegges]

We were comparing white cards the other day. 4 out of 9 cards last name spelled incorrectly. When mentioned at second dose, we were told not to worry. Card is fine. So tracking is the lot# and who gave dose, but correct name is not important.
So I am good with their tracking, it’s not close to the correct spelling.

[Two Bills]

The name may be important one day, if it has to marry up to a passport.

[gdennis317]

As usual, the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing.

Actually, if you registered more than once or at different providers, when your number in line comes up they call, etc. They would have to have access to State site and look each time, doubt that would happen due to time involved.

[JoMar]

Agreed

Assume international travel is not your thing.

[stanley]

Assume international travel is not your thing.

You assume correctly, especially if it means getting vaccinated

[coffeebean]

Horrible idea

I think it's a great idea. I would like to see these passports used for domestic and international travel, cruising and all sorts of venue options where lots of people gather such as concerts, theater shows (can't wait to get Broadway back up and running), sporting events, etc.

What is the harm in having vaccination records that can not be forged? Already, people are talking about forging those cards that we received when we get our shots. Having our vaccinations in a data base will prevent that from happening.

I did not give my SS# when I registered. I did give GMR my driver's license when I received my first shot. To this day, I receive a weekly text asking me how I am feeling after my vaccinations. I'm hopeful that my information is in a data base for future reference.

Why are you opposed? Please don't tell me "big brother is watching". That already is happening.

[coffeebean]

I love to breathe my own carbon dioxide. So healthy.

Just to let you know....this discussion is not about masks. But, just to set your mind at ease..........

Killer COVID-19 Masks? The Truth About Trapped Carbon Dioxide | Hartford HealthCare (https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about-us/news-press/news-detail?articleid=26712&publicId=395)

[coffeebean]

We were comparing white cards the other day. 4 out of 9 cards last name spelled incorrectly. When mentioned at second dose, we were told not to worry. Card is fine. So tracking is the lot# and who gave dose, but correct name is not important.
So I am good with their tracking, it’s not close to the correct spelling.

During that 15 minute observation period, I checked my card to make sure the entered information was correct. If anything needed correction, I would have taken care of it then and there.

[NoMoSno]

We were comparing white cards the other day. 4 out of 9 cards last name spelled incorrectly. When mentioned at second dose, we were told not to worry. Card is fine. So tracking is the lot# and who gave dose, but correct name is not important.
So I am good with their tracking, it’s not close to the correct spelling.
Where I went they had me fill in the name on the card.

[robbroyy]

I notice in a recent NY Daily News article that several US senators, including our former governor, are not getting vaccinated. Will they get diplomatic passports instead of vaccination passports for their foreign travels?

[rmd2]

I think it's a great idea. I would like to see these passports used for domestic and international travel, cruising and all sorts of venue options where lots of people gather such as concerts, theater shows (can't wait to get Broadway back up and running), sporting events, etc.

What is the harm in having vaccination records that can not be forged? Already, people are talking about forging those cards that we received when we get our shots. Having our vaccinations in a data base will prevent that from happening.

I did not give my SS# when I registered. I did give GMR my driver's license when I received my first shot. To this day, I receive a weekly text asking me how I am feeling after my vaccinations. I'm hopeful that my information is in a data base for future reference.

Why are you opposed? Please don't tell me "big brother is watching". That already is happening.

Wow. I had both of my shots with GMR and they never e-mailed me to see how I was feeling afterwards and the thing is I did want to report the problem I had when the first shot went right into a nerve. It's better but I still have some residual problem with that arm and it's been months. The night I had that shot I didn't sleep at all from extreme pain running from my shoulder to my fingertips.

[coffeebean]

I notice in a recent NY Daily News article that several US senators, including our former governor, are not getting vaccinated. Will they get diplomatic passports instead of vaccination passports for their foreign travels?

My guess is anyone who is not vaccinated will have to show proof of negative test or be tested at the venue. Again.....just a guess.

[coffeebean]

Wow. I had both of my shots with GMR and they never e-mailed me to see how I was feeling afterwards and the thing is I did want to report the problem I had when the first shot went right into a nerve. It's better but I still have some residual problem with that arm and it's been months. The night I had that shot I didn't sleep at all from extreme pain running from my shoulder to my fingertips.

Sorry to hear that your injection was improperly administered. I would imagine that is no fault of the vaccine, but the person who gave you the shot.

My husband signed me and himself up for those follow-up checks. He is not sure if it was with the state or the CDC.

[thelegges]

We were comparing white cards the other day. 4 out of 9 cards last name spelled incorrectly. When mentioned at second dose, we were told not to worry. Card is fine. So tracking is the lot# and who gave dose, but correct name is not important.
So I am good with their tracking, it’s not close to the correct spelling.

During that 15 minute observation period, I checked my card to make sure the entered information was correct. If anything needed correction, I would have taken care of it then and there.

Read the post.. it was pointed out to different individuals at site, names were incorrect.
Statement from all involved at vaccine site, was “not to worry” Card is fine.

They asked for a new card with correct name, the answer was “I can cross off and rewrite name, but not give a new card.” For those with incorrect names, scratched off would be worse.

So your thoughts of Taken Care of it Then and There may not have happened. It didn’t for the 4 people we know.
But maybe you have a better handle on changing their minds on a correcting information.

Since the vaccine is not tied to any Government ID. They didn’t take a photo of DL, or Passport, social security card, or write any numbers down from IDs. As far as tracking or proof, a paper card is all there is.
Hospital employees have their records on file in Their system, in HR, so they have verification other than a white card.

However if you are a Veteran, and used a VA facility, that info is in your records. Verification Is in the VA system with Date, Lot number, within minutes. My card is correct, vaccine given at Gainesville VA, and I can pull up the vaccine information if I should ever need it, as can any physician in the VA system.

[Girlcopper]

Horrible idea
Horrible idea to have proof you and others are vaccinated before crowding onto a plane? Maybe for you but I prefer to know that the person next to me is protected like I am. Just common decency

[coffeebean]

We were comparing white cards the other day. 4 out of 9 cards last name spelled incorrectly. When mentioned at second dose, we were told not to worry. Card is fine. So tracking is the lot# and who gave dose, but correct name is not important.
So I am good with their tracking, it’s not close to the correct spelling.

If tracking is being done, it is probably from the information entered on line when people register, not what is written on the card that is given when vaccination is done. IMHO.

[Girlcopper]

We were comparing white cards the other day. 4 out of 9 cards last name spelled incorrectly. When mentioned at second dose, we were told not to worry. Card is fine. So tracking is the lot# and who gave dose, but correct name is not important.
So I am good with their tracking, it’s not close to the correct spelling.
When its mandatory for travel, then what? How are you going to feel about inaccurate spelling then?

[kendi]

Did you cancel other booking you made?

Publix does not take cancelations, they say on website to just not show up.

[GeriS]

I notice in a recent NY Daily News article that several US senators, including our former governor, are not getting vaccinated. Will they get diplomatic passports instead of vaccination passports for their foreign travels?
Maybe because they know what's in it. Info available at the CDC website. You might be surprised, or horrified.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

I don’t trust our Government one bit and we definitely don’t need them tracking us anymore then they already do. Read some history books!

[thelegges]

When its mandatory for travel, then what? How are you going to feel about inaccurate spelling then?

My card is correct, given by the military. I travel with military ID, which my vaccine is tied to my records.
If you read the post, there were 4 people whose white card, that was incorrect. It’s a white card, not tied to any government ID, that I am pretty sure a 5yo with a good scanner and printer can duplicate

[J1ceasar]

Actually federal database

[Swoop]

Horrible idea to have proof you and others are vaccinated before crowding onto a plane? Maybe for you but I prefer to know that the person next to me is protected like I am. Just common decency
Why? If you are protected, why do you feel the need to have all others share your sentiments? I don’t understand the obsession with people demanding that everyone get vaccinated...

[golfing eagles]

Horrible idea to have proof you and others are vaccinated before crowding onto a plane? Maybe for you but I prefer to know that the person next to me is protected like I am. Just common decency

When its mandatory for travel, then what? How are you going to feel about inaccurate spelling then?

Yes, horrible idea. I don't think some people realize what a slippery slope it could become. I find it hard to believe that people are so paralyzed by fear of what in the scheme of things for the last 1000 years is an insignificant virus that they would be willing to sacrifice the freedoms many have fought and died for. And don't tell me 500,000 + died, etc etc., it is still insignificant when put in perspective.

[OhioBuckeye]

Why are they still calling me to schedule my first dose when I have already had both doses? I would question the accuracy of such a database.

Good point Tom!

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

The white card I have was hand-scribbled with a smudgey ink pen by a couple people (yes, real official - like someone can’t produce a million of them in one day that look more official than the one I have) — there is no way to validate or really confirm against any ‘golden’ source.
Just my opinion - Covid vaccine data is probably as good as the data used by the CDC to report the ‘cause of death’ data for this past year, probably as accurate as the voting data from the last election, probably as accurate as the data tracked for those entering and leaving the country and certainly as accurate as the data used by those callers I get almost everyday telling me they are from the SSA & my Social Security number has been jeopardized..... :-).

Since I have had the vaccine - I have been contacted by UF and The Villages Health to “‘come-on-in’ for your vaccines!!” Sure, that is nice - but, how is that National or State or CDC database working? Really - what is this telling us ——— it tells us that our government is not able to capture and govern data in a secure, consistent and trusted manner.

I do have my smudgy hand written Covid vaccine card - yeah!!!! Wow — I still have my Original SSN card - and even that was printed - on probably one of the first printers ever made back in the 60s.

[davephan]

I think it’s pretty easy to imagine that the COVID vaccination record will be required to board airlines, cruise ships, and stadium events in the future. The vaccination record card is larger than a credit card, which is pretty brain dead. They should have made the vaccination proof card the same size as a credit card so that it fits in a wallet.

I think that the seniors in Florida are going to top out at 70% to 75% vaccinations. The lower ages will have much more people who decide that they don’t want the vaccination. If and when the airlines, cruise ships, stadiums, and other large crowd events required the proof of vaccinations, those percentages will increase. But there will always be people who refuse the vaccinations.

[Buckeye Bob]

i guess you believe vaccine passports are a bad idea?

yes.

[golfing eagles]

I think it’s pretty easy to imagine that the COVID vaccination record will be required to board airlines, cruise ships, and stadium events in the future. The vaccination record card is larger than a credit card, which is pretty brain dead. They should have made the vaccination proof card the same size as a credit card so that it fits in a wallet.

I think that the seniors in Florida are going to top out at 70% to 75% vaccinations. The lower ages will have much more people who decide that they don’t want the vaccination. If and when the airlines, cruise ships, stadiums, and other large crowd events required the proof of vaccinations, those percentages will increase. But there will always be people who refuse the vaccinations.

Hopefully, the "when" is NEVER.
Just what we need-----a government or a business deciding where, when and how you can travel or attend an event based upon a vaccination database. Maybe George Orwell can add an addendum to 1984.
How about polio vaccine, or measles, or pertussis? How about Hepatitis B? Meningococcus? To answer a previous poster, I don't want to sit next to a person on a plane who has meningococcemia----which is 100x as contagious and 100x as deadly as COVID. I want them to have the same protection I have. But that should NEVER happen, because what is next? Put your political party on your passport, or religion, or sexual preference, or club memberships???? Couldn't ever happen??? That's what Germans thought in 1932.
Again, be very careful about what you wish for.

[GPGuar]

I guess you believe Vaccine Passports are a bad idea?

YES!! its a bad idea!

[merrymini]

If they require proof of a vaccine, how about people who got the virus and carry natural antibodies? How do you prove that? The assumption is that the vaccine will protect you better than your own body’s defense. Not proven at all. So this “proof” would hardly be unbiased and very discriminatory.

[golfing eagles]

If they require proof of a vaccine, how about people who got the virus and carry natural antibodies? How do you prove that? The assumption is that the vaccine will protect you better than your own body’s defense. Not proven at all. So this “proof” would hardly be unbiased and very discriminatory.

Which opens a whole other can of worms regarding vaccine "passport" How long does the immunity from the vaccine last? How long for which vaccine? How long in persons of different ages? or race? or blood type?. Since the vaccine is 95% effective, that means it is ineffective in 1 in 20 vaccinated individuals, but those people will have "proof" of immunity. How long does immunity last after you had and recovered from COVID? Does it depend on the severity of the illness? Your weight? Your eye color???Nobody knows, yet people support putting this garbage on a passport or driver's license and then restricting travel or entry to a stadium on that basis. It is strictly fear driven and has NO BASIS in reality.

[tuccillo]

I could see a point where you would need to carry proof of a positive antibody test (a blood test). That would cover the case of either having had the vaccine or having had contracted the coronavirus. For example, a positive antibody test is one of three options for entry into the US Virgin Islands.


If they require proof of a vaccine, how about people who got the virus and carry natural antibodies? How do you prove that? The assumption is that the vaccine will protect you better than your own body’s defense. Not proven at all. So this “proof” would hardly be unbiased and very discriminatory.

[Buckeye Bob]

Why are idiots like Dr. Fauci telling you to continue to wear 1 or 2 masks even after you've been vaccinated?

[oneclickplus]

I surely hope this system to track our vaccinations will work as they claim it should. This will eliminate forgery for proof of vaccination.

Tracking the COVID-19 vaccine , from your arm to a CDC database (https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/12/16/covid-19-vaccine-data-supply-chain-software-immunization-registry-tiberius/3879655001/)

When the mRNA shot (not a vaccine) you all took causes latent immune deficiencies and / or auto-immune problems, you will wish you were not in that database.

Proudly not taking any COVID-19 shot. Sure, "they" can perhaps limit my access to venues, buses, planes, etc. But, that will all stop when they run out of customers who got the shot (not a vaccine)

Lemmings ... all of you who ... think St Anthony (Fauci) is telling the truth.

[golfing eagles]

I could see a point where you would need to carry proof of a positive antibody test (a blood test). That would cover the case of either having had the vaccine or having had contracted the coronavirus. For example, a positive antibody test is one of three options for entry into the US Virgin Islands.

Of course, your antibodies won't last forever, so possible here today, gone tomorrow. So how often would you like people to be tested?

[kbogli]

We got our shots through Lake County at the Old Sears store in the Mall. When we went in for blood work at our Dr this week they had the info for both shots in our records, so information is being passed on.

[golfing eagles]

Why are idiots like Dr. Fauci telling you to continue to wear 1 or 2 masks even after you've been vaccinated?

Fauci is hardly an "idiot". So......first question----For how long have you been board certified in Internal Medicine and Infectious Disease and run the NIH ID division???? Oh, I thought so, therefore I doubt you have the credentials to call him an "idiot"
I know him, have had dinner with him several times and he is one of the brightest physicians on the planet. His recent actions have probably been influenced by both the political picture and the rapidly changing body of knowledge regarding COVID.

As far as the masks go, when people are in the grocery store or in a crowd, how do you or the store management know who has been vaccinated and who hasn't? Or do you subscribe to the "idiotic" thought that everyone should carry proof of vaccination on them?

[Kwenner]

Why should anyone be forced to prove vaccination? More importantly why should anyone be forced to be a Guinea pig for something untested and unproven!

[Taltarzac725]

We got our shots through Lake County at the Old Sears store in the Mall. When we went in for blood work at our Dr this week they had the info for both shots in our records, so information is being passed on.

I have a friend that got hers and her house mate's there a few days ago.

Mine is moderna which got in a rolling car parade at St. Vincent de Paul Catholic Church in Wildwood through Safe Restart. Received a CDC card with my birthday, name and the date of the shot and its type. This is a two shot deal.

This one really hurts by the way. Shoulder is still rather sore and was numb for a while.

[tuccillo]

I know the jury is still out on how long the antibodies last. I would not be surprised to see a requirement for an annual test for some types of travel once more data is available. The issue of variants of the virus is another issue. Just to be clear, it is not what I want or what I like. I am not qualified to specify requirements. I am speculating on what might actually come to pass and, in the case of the US Virgin Islands, is currently one of the three options for entry.


Of course, your antibodies won't last forever, so possible here today, gone tomorrow. So how often would you like people to be tested?

[davephan]

Hopefully, the "when" is NEVER.
Just what we need-----a government or a business deciding where, when and how you can travel or attend an event based upon a vaccination database. Maybe George Orwell can add an addendum to 1984.
How about polio vaccine, or measles, or pertussis? How about Hepatitis B? Meningococcus? To answer a previous poster, I don't want to sit next to a person on a plane who has meningococcemia----which is 100x as contagious and 100x as deadly as COVID. I want them to have the same protection I have. But that should NEVER happen, because what is next? Put your political party on your passport, or religion, or sexual preference, or club memberships???? Couldn't ever happen??? That's what Germans thought in 1932.
Again, be very careful about what you wish for.

I think it’s going to happen soon. It’s good and bad. The good is it will probably make large crowd gatherings safer, maybe. The bad, it’s closer to Nazi Germany, where people are demanding to see “your papers”!

[Taltarzac725]

I think it’s going to happen soon. It’s good and bad. The good is it will probably make large crowd gatherings safer, maybe. The bad, it’s closer to Nazi Germany, where people are demanding to see “your papers”!

You need to show an ID to buy liquor and/or tobacco products. Think the cut off is if you look under 40 you need to show one.

I do not see a problem having to show a CDC vaccination card to board a plane, train or ship.

[DIver0258]

Was going to make a joke but thought better of it. A vaccine passport in just another name for a vaccination record to travel to certain areas. This is nothing new. I think folks are getting their dander up over wording.

[coffeebean]

Why? If you are protected, why do you feel the need to have all others share your sentiments? I don’t understand the obsession with people demanding that everyone get vaccinated...

One reason....... for our country to achieve herd immunity SAFELY.

[Bill14564]

We got our shots through Lake County at the Old Sears store in the Mall. When we went in for blood work at our Dr this week they had the info for both shots in our records, so information is being passed on.

Did you provide your insurance information when you were vaccinated? I know my insurance tracks any interaction I have with the medical profession.

[Nordy]

If I am vaccinated I don't care who else is or isn't. WAKE UP America.

[graciegirl]

As usual, the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing.

Actually, if you registered more than once or at different providers, when your number in line comes up they call, etc. They would have to have access to State site and look each time, doubt that would happen due to time involved.

HOWSOMEEVER..........together they are doin' good getting the vaccine out in Florida. I love that Desantis uses private business and the Feds sent Fema. Daughter used Fema, no appointment, two hours wait, had to stand way too close and friendly to others in line. Husband and I used the one across from Fresh Market, No wait, done in car, extremely well handled. I vote for private enterprise.

[Buckeye Bob]

Fauci is hardly an "idiot". So......first question----For how long have you been board certified in Internal Medicine and Infectious Disease and run the NIH ID division???? Oh, I thought so, therefore I doubt you have the credentials to call him an "idiot"
I know him, have had dinner with him several times and he is one of the brightest physicians on the planet. His recent actions have probably been influenced by both the political picture and the rapidly changing body of knowledge regarding COVID.

As far as the masks go, when people are in the grocery store or in a crowd, how do you or the store management know who has been vaccinated and who hasn't? Or do you subscribe to the "idiotic" thought that everyone should carry proof of vaccination on them?

I don't claim to be the expert however, you didn't respond to my question. Why do you have to wear 1 or 2 masks after being vaccinated regardless of who you're with?
I'm really impressed that you know him and have even had dinner with him several times. 🤭🤭

[golfing eagles]

I don't claim to be the expert however, you didn't respond to my question. Why do you have to wear 1 or 2 masks after being vaccinated regardless of who you're with?
I'm really impressed that you know him and have even had dinner with him several times. 🤭🤭

I thought I did, but perhaps I should explain further. It's going to be April soon, about 50-60% of Florida seniors will be vaccinated, and a much lower percentage of those under 40. You go into the grocery store, you don't need a mask because you've been vaccinated, but how does anyone know that? Then the next person who has not been vaccinated takes his mask off. Now what? You can see the confusion and turmoil this
would create, so the powers that be said everyone needs to wear a mask until they give the all clear signal. I agree with that, since there would be more injury and death from fights in the store than from COVID.
Since masks only have value in certain limited situations, double masking is the equivalent of twice nothing is still nothing (except in those limited situations). Probably some grad student got a grant to study double masking so now it's the gospel truth:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[SallyJ48]

Go to Vaccine Adverse Reaction on your PC and report it yourself

[SallyJ48]

Even after 2 vaccines you are only partially protected. You can still get covid (altho a milder case) and carry and spread covid. Keep wearing the mask

[Mrprez]

One less thing for me to keep up with.

[golfing eagles]

Even after 2 vaccines you are only partially protected. You can still get covid (altho a milder case) and carry and spread covid. Keep wearing the mask

Just so very wrong. Please don't post what you know nothing about.

[coffeebean]

Why are idiots like Dr. Fauci telling you to continue to wear 1 or 2 masks even after you've been vaccinated?

We are all waiting to hear if vaccinated people can not transmit the virus. At this point in time, there is some evidence that vaccinated people MAY NOT transmit the virus but there are no conclusive results about that. So......because there is a possibility that fully vaccinated people may transmit the virus if they are infected, we continue to wear masks to protect those folks who are not vaccinated yet.

Then there are those variants we have to deal with. The more this virus spreads, the virus will just mutate more. These mutations can be mitigated if everyone will continue to mask up.

I can not wait for the day that the directive comes from the CDC that vaccinated people no longer have to wear masks because there is no chance they can infect others. I will ditch my masks so fast your head will spin. Until that day, I continue to mask up.

I assume you didn't get the memo and neither did Rand Paul! He looked like a fool sparring with Dr. Fauci. Seriously.

[coffeebean]

We got our shots through Lake County at the Old Sears store in the Mall. When we went in for blood work at our Dr this week they had the info for both shots in our records, so information is being passed on.

That is what I want to hear. I have no doubt the information is being taken from your registration record, not the white card that was filled out by hand.

[coffeebean]

Why should anyone be forced to prove vaccination? More importantly why should anyone be forced to be a Guinea pig for something untested and unproven!

In answer to your first question......so this damn virus does not spread to the point where natural herd immunity will surpass the safe herd immunity that vaccination affords us as a population.

In answer to your second, more important question......the mRNA vaccines have been tested by thousands of "heroes" in the trials. (they are not guinea pigs as you call them. You should be ashamed of yourself for saying that). As for being unproven? Really? So far the real life efficiency of the mRNA vaccines seem to be about on par with the efficacy in lab trials. THAT is epic!!!!! Millions of people world wide have been inoculated with these vaccines and so far, the vaccines appear to be working like a charm. Folks who are fully vaccinated but contract Covid are faring very well with either no symptoms or mild symptoms. Also, those folks have not transmitted the disease to others but that is still being tested and needs to be proven. Waiting at this point for the official test results about that though.

If you think what I have to say is a bunch of BS, do some research. That's what I have done. I feel as though I certainly made the right decision to be vaccinated for myself, my loved ones, my friends, and my community.

[coffeebean]

I think it’s going to happen soon. It’s good and bad. The good is it will probably make large crowd gatherings safer, maybe. The bad, it’s closer to Nazi Germany, where people are demanding to see “your papers”!

Do you feel the same way when you have to show your passport for international travel?

[coffeebean]

Did you provide your insurance information when you were vaccinated? I know my insurance tracks any interaction I have with the medical profession.

I did not give insurance information or SS#. The information I gave was name, address, email and phone numbers.

[emb2458]

Not working. Still getting notices and calls to get our vaccination. We have had both

[coffeebean]

If I am vaccinated I don't care who else is or isn't. WAKE UP America.

Are you not concerned about our country achieving safe herd immunity? That will protect those who are unable to be vaccinated because of medical issues.

As for protecting the anti-vaxxers.........they are NOT my concern.

[coffeebean]

I thought I did, but perhaps I should explain further. It's going to be April soon, about 50-60% of Florida seniors will be vaccinated, and a much lower percentage of those under 40. You go into the grocery store, you don't need a mask because you've been vaccinated, but how does anyone know that? Then the next person who has not been vaccinated takes his mask off. Now what? You can see the confusion and turmoil this
would create, so the powers that be said everyone needs to wear a mask until they give the all clear signal. I agree with that, since there would be more injury and death from fights in the store than from COVID.
Since masks only have value in certain limited situations, double masking is the equivalent of twice nothing is still nothing (except in those limited situations). Probably some grad student got a grant to study double masking so now it's the gospel truth:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

golfing eagles..... I'm impressed that you have dined with Dr. Fauci and am so glad to hear you admire him.

Are you saying that those who are fully vaccinated can not transmit the virus to others if, they are infected? Has that been determined yet? I've heard Dr. Fauci say that there is evidence the viral load is low in fully vaccinated people but he has yet to announce that vaccinated people can not transmit the virus to others. Have I missed that directive?

[NoMoSno]

For as long as the vaccines have been in trials and available to the public seems they should know by now if a vaccinated person can transmit the virus.
The CDC says 3' not 6' distancing is fine now....

[coffeebean]

For as long as the vaccines have been in trials and available to the public seems they should know by now if a vaccinated person can transmit the virus.
The CDC says 3' not 6' distancing is fine now....

Isn't the 3' distancing just for kids in the classroom? In fact, the adult teachers in the same classroom are recommended to keep a 6' distance from others.

[Dayeight99]

So I guess we should have seasonal flu vaccine passports every year since every flu is contagious and many people die each year from the flu.

[shut the front door]

golfing eagles..... I'm impressed that you have dined with Dr. Fauci and am so glad to hear you admire him.

Are you saying that those who are fully vaccinated can not transmit the virus to others if, they are infected? Has that been determined yet? I've heard Dr. Fauci say that there is evidence the viral load is low in fully vaccinated people but he has yet to announce that vaccinated people can not transmit the virus to others. Have I missed that directive?

Sweetie, while it may be a goal in life to reply more times in a thread than anyone else, you are wasting your time trying to question a medical professional who has more medical knowledge in his pinky than. Well, we all know the rest.
Post away. Bless your heart.

[coffeebean]

So I guess we should have seasonal flu vaccine passports every year since every flu is contagious and many people die each year from the flu.

The seasonal flu has not caused a global pandemic but I suspect you already know that.

[coffeebean]

Governor DeSantis does not approve of vaccine passports. I'm surprised by this as I thought he is supposed to assure the safety of Floridians........

Florida won’t require COVID-19 ‘vaccine passports,’ governor says (https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/03/18/florida-wont-require-covid-19-vaccine-passports-governor-says/#//)

[coffeebean]

Sweetie, while it may be a goal in life to reply more times in a thread than anyone else, you are wasting your time trying to question a medical professional who has more medical knowledge in his pinky than. Well, we all know the rest.
Post away. Bless your heart.

As far as I'm aware, I'm not your sweetie. BTW.....do I win a prize?

[bpascani]

You get a verification card dated and signed after each shot. You keep that with you (but your pcp or whoever gave the shot to you has it on file as well). I also made a hard copy of it, and have a picture of it on my cell phone

[Byte1]

I could see a point where you would need to carry proof of a positive antibody test (a blood test). That would cover the case of either having had the vaccine or having had contracted the coronavirus. For example, a positive antibody test is one of three options for entry into the US Virgin Islands.

An antibody test will NOT work with these vaccinations.

[Byte1]

A lot of speculation and supposition going on here. I include myself in that statement.
I do not want to see a vaccination card for this supposed "pandemic" as a requirement for travel. I have no intention of traveling again, but I still do not wish to see limits put on travel freedoms. In my opinion, the more power you give to the gov. the more you move toward being dependent on the gov. A weakness.
I do not know whether anyone has my medical record regarding my vaccination. However, I do know that Publix had my private insurance information without me giving it to them. They had my wife's correct address, but still had my old address. I didn't have to provide them with much information, and yet they already had it.
After having my second shot weeks ago, I am still receiving calls from multiple registration sites. Since I did not keep an account of all the places we registered, I simply and patiently explain to each one the we no longer need to be on their list. Whether or not a record is kept and whether or not they should check to see if we have been vaccinated is of no concern to me. A minute of my time to update them on the phone does not hinder my activities.
Regarding the wearing of masks after being vaccinated, I do not wear it because I want to make other folks comfortable or to protect anyone else. I wear one solely because the business has posted the requirement before entering. I do not feel it is my responsibility to comfort others that do not yet have the vaccination by subjecting myself to their selfish interest. I am not hurting them by not wearing a mask. It is their problem if they get too close to me, and should stay home if they fear for their lives. My research (right or wrong) of the ability to pass on the virus once you are vaccinated, gives me the opinion that I won't. Even so, if I know that I am pretty much immune, thanks tot he vaccination I see no reason for me to continue to wear my mask. I would say that I do not care about others and their feelings, but that would suggest that I know the other folks that might be offended. I went to the trouble of obtaining my vaccination when my wife got hers, even though I do not think that I would have ever been infected. Just my opinion (right or wrong). If others do not work as hard to get vaccinated, then do not blame me for not empathizing with them. If I do not know you, then I guess it won't bother me if you pass from the virus. I do not know the folks that die from the flu, or get hit by another car while traveling on Rt75, or fall off a ladder. I am just being honest about it. As far as I am concerned, I have done my duty by getting vaccinated. Now, it is up to you to protect yourself. It is not my job to protect you. And if you think it is the gov's job to protect you from yourself, then you are a very needy person.
I want less gov interference in my life, not more.
And as far as suggesting that everyone has to show vaccination evidence to travel overseas, that is a fallacy. I have traveled most of my life and lived overseas, and rarely if ever had to prove my vaccination status. Of course, there may have been some visa requirements for vaccination documentation, but not every country cared enough to check. And I NEVER had to show it to fly internationally or domestic.
Do I worry about the person sitting next to me on a plane? I might give it a brief thought. I also trust my fate in a plane to get me safely to my destination. I know there is a great probability that at least one person has a contagious illness on a plane. I just hope that when I travel that my inherent immunity will protect me. If I am being careless, well I must be pretty lucky or blessed because it has worked for me for over 70 years.
I am not my brother's keeper so don't expect me to agree with your need for a gov nanny. If that makes me a horrible person, that seems to be your problem, not mine. I am not asking anyone to protect me, so don't expect me to worry about your protection. If you wish to wear a mask for the rest of your lives, there is no law prohibiting that practice that I know of. Just do not attempt to make such a mandate for me. I now only wear a mask in businesses that mandate it. If you have a problem with that, then stay your distance and we will both be happy.

[golfing eagles]

Do you feel the same way when you have to show your passport for international travel?

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take away everything that you have."

[coffeebean]

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take away everything that you have."

I'm not sure if you answered by question with this reply.

[golfing eagles]

I'm not sure if you answered by question with this reply.

Just a generalization about giving up some measure of freedom for some measure of (perceived) safety. How about a highway analogy?:

Some people drive 65 on a 70 interstate and stay in the right lane
Some people set their cruise control to 75
Some people want to go 95 and weave all over the place
And then a few bozos park themselves in the left lane at 55 because THEY feel that is fast enough

So, the 65 drivers want a state trooper every 1/2 mile to ticket anyone going 70.01
The 75 drivers don't care because they figure they'll never get a ticket for 75
The 95 drivers want no LEOs on the road, and if they do show up would like them to focus on ticketing the bozo going 55 in the left lane
And the 55 driver wants to change all the speed limits

Attitudes toward vaccine passports are pretty much the same thing

[Altavia]

An antibody test will NOT work with these vaccinations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/02/12/covid-vaccine-antibody-test/


How about an antibody test to determine if the vaccine was effective?

The CDC discourages antibody testing for assessing immunity after getting the vaccine. In clinical trials, the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines were shown to protect people against the virus 95 percent of the time and 94 percent of the time, respectively. But that does not mean everyone who gets the vaccine would test positive for antibodies, Murphy said.

Commercial antibody tests may not be searching for the same antibodies that the vaccine triggers. Someone who has had the vaccine and is immune to the virus may still test negative for certain antibodies, Murphy explained.

Mutated virus may reinfect people already stricken once with covid-19, sparking debate and concerns.

In any case, Murphy added, antibodies are only part of a person’s immune system response. Some studies have shown that protective T cells, a white blood cell that helps protect against disease, have been elevated in some patients with covid, even though the patients had no detectable antibodies.

“After the vaccines, a lot people are going to get antibody testing — ‘Oh, I want to see if it’s working.’ It actually has very little correlation,” he said. “Many people will test negative on the antibody test, and that does not mean the vaccine didn’t work.”

[coffeebean]

Just a generalization about giving up some measure of freedom for some measure of (perceived) safety. How about a highway analogy?:

Some people drive 65 on a 70 interstate and stay in the right lane
Some people set their cruise control to 75
Some people want to go 95 and weave all over the place
And then a few bozos park themselves in the left lane at 55 because THEY feel that is fast enough

So, the 65 drivers want a state trooper every 1/2 mile to ticket anyone going 70.01
The 75 drivers don't care because they figure they'll never get a ticket for 75
The 95 drivers want no LEOs on the road, and if they do show up would like them to focus on ticketing the bozo going 55 in the left lane
And the 55 driver wants to change all the speed limits

Attitudes toward vaccine passports are pretty much the same thing

Thanks for your interesting explanation. BTW....I set the cruise control to 75.

[golfing eagles]

Thanks for your interesting explanation. BTW....I set the cruise control to 75.

I would have guessed that. BTW, so do I.

[tuccillo]

Not true. What is true is that the blood based antibody test can be unreliable as a means of determining whether the individual has sufficient antibodies to prevent disease.

An antibody test will NOT work with these vaccinations.

[Byte1]

Not true. What is true is that the blood based antibody test can be unreliable as a means of determining whether the individual has sufficient antibodies to prevent disease.

Twist it the way you will, but the way I see it is that the vaccines are not producing antibodies, therefore the test would be moot. What do you base your "not true" upon? Are you saying that the vaccines are creating antibodies and that they can be tested for? I don't know about the J&J vaccine. Maybe that one can create antibodies. I am sure that one of our "experts" can enlighten us.

[JoMar]

A lot of speculation and supposition going on here. I include myself in that statement.
I do not want to see a vaccination card for this supposed "pandemic" as a requirement for travel. I have no intention of traveling again, but I still do not wish to see limits put on travel freedoms. In my opinion, the more power you give to the gov. the more you move toward being dependent on the gov. A weakness.
I do not know whether anyone has my medical record regarding my vaccination. However, I do know that Publix had my private insurance information without me giving it to them. They had my wife's correct address, but still had my old address. I didn't have to provide them with much information, and yet they already had it.
After having my second shot weeks ago, I am still receiving calls from multiple registration sites. Since I did not keep an account of all the places we registered, I simply and patiently explain to each one the we no longer need to be on their list. Whether or not a record is kept and whether or not they should check to see if we have been vaccinated is of no concern to me. A minute of my time to update them on the phone does not hinder my activities.
Regarding the wearing of masks after being vaccinated, I do not wear it because I want to make other folks comfortable or to protect anyone else. I wear one solely because the business has posted the requirement before entering. I do not feel it is my responsibility to comfort others that do not yet have the vaccination by subjecting myself to their selfish interest. I am not hurting them by not wearing a mask. It is their problem if they get too close to me, and should stay home if they fear for their lives. My research (right or wrong) of the ability to pass on the virus once you are vaccinated, gives me the opinion that I won't. Even so, if I know that I am pretty much immune, thanks tot he vaccination I see no reason for me to continue to wear my mask. I would say that I do not care about others and their feelings, but that would suggest that I know the other folks that might be offended. I went to the trouble of obtaining my vaccination when my wife got hers, even though I do not think that I would have ever been infected. Just my opinion (right or wrong). If others do not work as hard to get vaccinated, then do not blame me for not empathizing with them. If I do not know you, then I guess it won't bother me if you pass from the virus. I do not know the folks that die from the flu, or get hit by another car while traveling on Rt75, or fall off a ladder. I am just being honest about it. As far as I am concerned, I have done my duty by getting vaccinated. Now, it is up to you to protect yourself. It is not my job to protect you. And if you think it is the gov's job to protect you from yourself, then you are a very needy person.
I want less gov interference in my life, not more.
And as far as suggesting that everyone has to show vaccination evidence to travel overseas, that is a fallacy. I have traveled most of my life and lived overseas, and rarely if ever had to prove my vaccination status. Of course, there may have been some visa requirements for vaccination documentation, but not every country cared enough to check. And I NEVER had to show it to fly internationally or domestic.
Do I worry about the person sitting next to me on a plane? I might give it a brief thought. I also trust my fate in a plane to get me safely to my destination. I know there is a great probability that at least one person has a contagious illness on a plane. I just hope that when I travel that my inherent immunity will protect me. If I am being careless, well I must be pretty lucky or blessed because it has worked for me for over 70 years.
I am not my brother's keeper so don't expect me to agree with your need for a gov nanny. If that makes me a horrible person, that seems to be your problem, not mine. I am not asking anyone to protect me, so don't expect me to worry about your protection. If you wish to wear a mask for the rest of your lives, there is no law prohibiting that practice that I know of. Just do not attempt to make such a mandate for me. I now only wear a mask in businesses that mandate it. If you have a problem with that, then stay your distance and we will both be happy.

All our parents raised us differently.

[Tmarkwald]

Why should anyone be forced to prove vaccination? More importantly why should anyone be forced to be a Guinea pig for something untested and unproven!

You DO realize that this vaccine has been around and tested for over 10 years? This is the SARS and MERS vaccine. The only difference is that Covid is a derivative of SARS. Its official name is SARS-CoV-2.

I think testing over a 10+ year period is sufficient and there is no doubt the vaccine is well-proven ..

[Tmarkwald]

Twist it the way you will, but the way I see it is that the vaccines are not producing antibodies, therefore the test would be moot. What do you base your "not true" upon? Are you saying that the vaccines are creating antibodies and that they can be tested for? I don't know about the J&J vaccine. Maybe that one can create antibodies. I am sure that one of our "experts" can enlighten us.

CDC states you may produce antibodies.

Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html)

[Tmarkwald]

are you not concerned about our country achieving safe herd immunity? That will protect those who are unable to be vaccinated because of medical issues.

As for protecting the anti-vaxxers.........they are not my concern.

bravo!

[Tmarkwald]

So I guess we should have seasonal flu vaccine passports every year since every flu is contagious and many people die each year from the flu.

Flu - 30,000 a year
Covid - over 600,000 a year

Pointless commentary. Lot of contagious diseases out there. Covid is a game changer. Vaccinate or stay home. I do not care.

[Tmarkwald]

So does George Orwell!!!

Very True! And Darwin will take care of the anti-vaxxers who don't get the vaccine.

[Swoop]

You DO realize that this vaccine has been around and tested for over 10 years? This is the SARS and MERS vaccine. The only difference is that Covid is a derivative of SARS. Its official name is SARS-CoV-2.

I think testing over a 10+ year period is sufficient and there is no doubt the vaccine is well-proven ..
There is no vaccine for either SARS or MERS. They attempted to come up with vaccines for them but were unsuccessful. While it is true that they are both Coronaviruses, it is also true that without a vaccine SARS ceased in just under two years and the MERS outbreak lasted just under three years.

[golfing eagles]

Very True! And Darwin will take care of the anti-vaxxers who don't get the vaccine.

DO NOT quote me out of context!!!!!!!

That reference was to the nazification of travel by requiring vaccine passports, NOT about getting the vaccine, which everyone should.

[Two Bills]

Here in UK. the over 70's, front line carers, and the vulnerable have been informed they will probably be getting a booster jab around September.
This is to give better protection against recent varients, namely the South African, and the one from Brazil.
Evidently the Pfizer, and Astra Zenica vaccines are able to cope with the UK (Kent) variant.

[blueash]

I logged in just to clarify a couple things. The first few posts mention the CDC's tracking. The information being passed to the CDC has all of its personal identifying information removed. The CDC will not have your name and will not be able to verify your vaccination status.

Almost every state for many many years has had a state wide vaccine registry. I dealt with those in Ohio [click Here (https://ohioimpactsiis.org/siisprod/)] and Florida [click HERE (http://www.floridahealth.gov/programs-and-services/immunization/information-for-healthcare-providers/providing-records-to-patients/index.html)] which were very similar. The state collected names and date of birth plus some other data such as vaccinating office for every vaccine given in public health clinics and voluntarily from private offices. This data was very useful for school vaccine records and for patients who moved often and did not retain their vaccine records as I could look at the child's records and know what shots had been given and what was needed. The Covid data is piggy-backing on this system and is nothing new.