Third Stimulus Check Is a Scam For Some

[FG111]

President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

There are two purposes for stimulus checks. One is to help those that need help. The second purpose and the reason that it's called a stimulus is that the hope is that those that don't need the money will splurge on something thereby giving businesses an added boost.

[Mortal1]

*yawn* you're preaching to the choir pal. Our take come is < $40k and we're doing just grand without the handout/payoff.

[CWGUY]

President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.



:ohdear: Go back and read your first sentence again...... it's not Villagers that are scamming us! :duck:

[jebartle]

Its strange how we get our panties in a wade when giving stimulus to those helping to bump the economy, but when we need to give tax breaks to the wealthy, no problem. Hmmmm!

[Joe V.]

President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.

You are free to return yours.

[FG111]

You are free to return yours.

I don't qualify and if I did, I'd be ashamed to receive this ill-gotten freebie unless I truly needed it. Many people receiving this stimulus, especially "some" living in The Villages, don't need this money and this freebie will only increase inflation for the rest of us.

[Joe V.]

I don't qualify and if I did, I'd be ashamed to receive this ill-gotten freebie unless I truly needed it. Many people receiving this stimulus, especially "some" living in The Villages, don't need this money and this freebie will only increase inflation for the rest of us.

Good for you. Pat yourself on the back! I am sure you double pay income tax too, out of your concern. I, for one, believe my taxes paid are way too much. The federal government is out of control. Anything the people can claw back from them is a good thing.

[Ben Franklin]

There are two purposes for stimulus checks. One is to help those that need help. The second purpose and the reason that it's called a stimulus is that the hope is that those that don't need the money will splurge on something thereby giving businesses an added boost.

Our stimulus money will put to work a company that installs vinyl floors, a furniture store, and another company to install a new air conditioner. I call that a win-win.

[graciegirl]

Its strange how we get our panties in a wade when giving stimulus to those helping to bump the economy, but when we need to give tax breaks to the wealthy, no problem. Hmmmm!

That always makes me want to bite. I have noticed a good many people who live in The Villages were very poor to begin with and many worked two jobs, or 16 hour days and were on call every vacation in their life. Maybe they aren't WEALTHY but some have enough to be envied, and that is what happens, they are envied. It didn't just fall on them or get willed to them. I wonder what those folks who envy the financially comfortable say to their kids, hmmm. Do your homework, don't miss school, work toward your goal. Don't waste your money, get ahead, be a success, but for God's sake don't come home and tell me you are the CEO of a huge company.........

[Stu from NYC]

The part that bothers me is the govt just keeps borrowing to spend money they do not have and has no intention of ever paying it back.

At some point it will be time to pay the piper.

[DeanFL]

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$1.9 Trillion divided by 330 milllion = $5,700 for each american.
ALL Americans, including children - EVERYONE.

That's how much EACH of us, even those NOT getting the $1400 will owe to pay for Bill.
We much consider that much, if not all, of these $1.9 TRILLION be be DEBT. Owed by EVERY taxpayer. And of course THAT does not include the interest $$ to be paid over the decades upon decades.

Pile THAT onto the current Federal debt of $28 TRILLION ($85,000 for EVERY single American.

Am I worried for ME? Not really. Am I worried for our Kids, Grandkids, Great+++Grandkids? Yep. Pile on the debt Washington (BOTH parties). It's only money.

And as The USA will no doubt get weaker financially - China, well you know the story.
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[Ben Franklin]

The part that bothers me is the govt just keeps borrowing to spend money they do not have and has no intention of ever paying it back.

At some point it will be time to pay the piper.

"Yes, debt has to be repaid when it comes due. But maturing debt can be replaced with newly issued debt. Rolling over the debt in this manner means that it need never be “paid back.” Indeed, it may even grow over time in line with the scale of the economy’s operations as measured by population or GDP."
Source:
Does the National Debt Matter?| St. Louis Fed (https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/regional-economist/fourth-quarter-2020/does-national-debt-matter)

[Garywt]

Anyone receiving money meets the guidelines the government set up it is no ones concern other than that. I have not received any payments but my kids have and I am very thankful for that.

[FG111]

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$1.9 Trillion divided by 330 milllion = $5,700 for each american.
ALL Americans, including children - EVERYONE.

That's how much EACH of us, even those NOT getting the $1400 will owe to pay for Bill.
We much consider that much, if not all, of these $1.9 TRILLION be be DEBT. Owed by EVERY taxpayer. And of course THAT does not include the interest $$ to be paid over the decades upon decades.

Y todos ustedes, gringos, pueden chuparme los huevos mientras los hispanos se apoderan de este país.


Pile THAT onto the current Federal debt of $28 TRILLION ($85,000 for EVERY single American.

Am I worried for ME? Not really. Am I worried for our Kids, Grandkids, Great+++Grandkids? Yep. Pile on the debt Washington (BOTH parties). It's only money.

And as The USA will no doubt get weaker financially - China, well you know the story.
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Agree with you 99%. We are different in that no generation will ever repay these loans. The debt rating for the US will be equal to that of Venezuela and remember my words, in a few years you will see run-a-way inflation and this country's primary language will be Spanish and the Chinese will be our landlords.

[Pairadocs]

President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.

I was thinking exactly the opposite: that the many hard working people who consistently passed up luxury vacations (or ANY vacation), cooked at home, didn't go shop for "in" brands at "upscale" stores, or buy the latest phone, boat, or auto, but instead made an interim payment in addition to their monthly mortgage payments, who made coffee and put it in a thermos for the morning commute and passed on the $5 coffee at S.B.'s, who paid back every cent they owed on students loans, and have never in their lives failed to pay their income taxes (unlike a number of IRS and other government employees, and that's certainly NOT a reflection on the many ethical retired government employees who live in our community, just a reference to the well publicized fact that a very high percentage of tax cheats work for the government compared to the population in general), and who never had the latest model of Niki shoes, cellular phones, or the largest home TV set, they are exactly the ones who ( if our government is just going to hand out "free" money for no real reason) should be getting the money. I am not one of them but sure wish I'd had their wisdom and forethought. They are the ones that made it possible for politicians to spend like "drunken sailors" as they say, no accountability at all. Usually the ones who get nothing are the ones who work hard, do without, and contribute the most.

[tophcfa]

The real scam is the $350 billion in the package that is going to bail out irresponsible state and local governments like Chicago, California and Connecticut because of many years of poor fiscal management. There financial problems existed long before Covid and now they are getting bailed out on the backs of responsible tax payers. Very sad. As far as the $2,800 stimulus my wife and I recently received, we will be needing at least that to cover the ever increasing price of gas and oil since the new administration has taken over.

[dewilson58]

, we will be needing at least that to cover the ever increasing price of gas and oil since the new administration has taken over.
:bigbow:

[Topspinmo]

President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.

You don’t have to accept it. They can’t pick and choose. Based on IRS income. Some people live within there means and are frugal and some are far above there means and indebtedness.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

*yawn* you're preaching to the choir pal. Our take come is < $40k and we're doing just grand without the handout/payoff.

The businesses you spend your unwanted stimulus money on will be glad you chose to help keep their employees employed.

[retiredguy123]

"Yes, debt has to be repaid when it comes due. But maturing debt can be replaced with newly issued debt. Rolling over the debt in this manner means that it need never be “paid back.” Indeed, it may even grow over time in line with the scale of the economy’s operations as measured by population or GDP."
Source:
Does the National Debt Matter?| St. Louis Fed (https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/regional-economist/fourth-quarter-2020/does-national-debt-matter)
Yes, the debt can be replaced with new debt, as long as the U.S. has a good credit rating. But, at some point, a bad credit rating will prevent the debt from being replaced, or the interest rate will greatly increase, creating even more debt, and eventual economic collapse.

[Lindsyburnsy]

If the govt. had to pick through those that are retired, with pensions, paid off houses and money to spare, it would take forever and those that are in dire need of the check would have to wait that much longer. Just like Social Security and Medicare, there is fraud, but it wouldn't be a good idea not to give it to those that need it. Personally, I took my check and called a small, locally owned cleaning company to clean all of the ductwork in the house. I probably wouldn't have done that without that stimulus check. Basically, the money went right back in the economy, as it is intended to do. People can also just donate it to a charity, if they don't need it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The real scam is the $350 billion in the package that is going to bail out irresponsible state and local governments like Chicago, California and Connecticut because of many years of poor fiscal management. There financial problems existed long before Covid and now they are getting bailed out on the backs of responsible tax payers. Very sad. As far as the $2,800 stimulus my wife and I recently received, we will be needing at least that to cover the ever increasing price of gas and oil since the new administration has taken over.
Yeah if only Connecticut had refused to fork over hundreds of millions every year to the Fed, which allocated it to states like Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Alabama, we wouldn't have so much waste.

[Stu from NYC]

Yes, the debt can be replaced with new debt, as long as the U.S. has a good credit rating. But, at some point, a bad credit rating will prevent the debt from being replaced, or the interest rate will greatly increase, creating even more debt, and eventual economic collapse.

You beat me to it.

At some point the govt will either act responsibly or their will be an economic collapse.

Ratio of debt to the GNP keeps getting higher and higher.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

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$1.9 Trillion divided by 330 milllion = $5,700 for each american.
ALL Americans, including children - EVERYONE.

That's how much EACH of us, even those NOT getting the $1400 will owe to pay for Bill.
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That's not how government money works. The USA doesn't live in a vacuum. There are countries that owe our country hundreds of billions of dollars. We have an actual revenue stream. Yes we've added to the National debt. And yes I feel we need to start trimming some of the fat soon.

Right now though we're recovering from [politics politics politics] and a pandemic that no one could prepare for and put many of those people who used to earn too much to qualify for the stimulus are out of jobs. Thousands of businesses nationwide have closed their doors for good. Thousands have filed for bankruptcy, and put their employees out of work. I'm sorry it's such a GD inconvenience for you. Maybe try living in a country that has a government dictate what you may or may not own, and then you won't have to worry about feeling like somone getting a hand up is getting a single penny more than they "deserve."

[Stu from NYC]

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YIKES! what brought THAT on? I responded stating Facts Facts Facts and more facts. ????
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It didnt fit the narrative of how she thinks the world works. At some point guess I should apologize for working all day and going to school at night and sacrificing when we are younger in hopes of living a better lifestyle down the road.

Nah dont think I will.

[Topspinmo]

Yes, the debt can be replaced with new debt, as long as the U.S. has a good credit rating. But, at some point, a bad credit rating will prevent the debt from being replaced, or the interest rate will greatly increase, creating even more debt, and eventual economic collapse.


Depends on who doing the rating and can they be brought off?:)

[Two Bills]

I always thought oil and gas prices were set by supply and demand, and not by governments.
In early 2020 oil prices crashed because of the pandemic, when demand was at rock bottom.
Demand has now risen beyond production, so price goes through the roof.
Soon oil producers will step up production to take advantage of the high price, then when the glut of the stuff comes, prices will drop.
It's a never ending cycle.
I don't see anything political in it.

[Rylee]

It’s a STIMULUS check. Go spend it locally to help businesses. Complain about where 90%of the rest of the money went.

[swooner]

President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.
Simple answer is don’t bitch about it and spend it with local businesses, or donate it to a soup kitchen or give it to someone less fortunate than you are.

[HORNET]

People should stay out of other peoples business

[HORNET]

Great answer

[RICH1]

I don't qualify and if I did, I'd be ashamed to receive this ill-gotten freebie unless I truly needed it. Many people receiving this stimulus, especially "some" living in The Villages, don't need this money and this freebie will only increase inflation for the rest of us.
Read the Stimulus Bill Language ! After seeing how many Billions of dollars are spent on "Pork" you will graciously cash your check! The Kentucky Horse Racing industry and L'Oréal were beneficiaries of the previous Bill....

[HORNET]

Amen

[graciegirl]

That's not how government money works. The USA doesn't live in a vacuum. There are countries that owe our country hundreds of billions of dollars. We have an actual revenue stream. Yes we've added to the National debt. And yes I feel we need to start trimming some of the fat soon.

Right now though we're recovering from [politics politics politics] and a pandemic that no one could prepare for and put many of those people who used to earn too much to qualify for the stimulus are out of jobs. Thousands of businesses nationwide have closed their doors for good. Thousands have filed for bankruptcy, and put their employees out of work. I'm sorry it's such a GD inconvenience for you. Maybe try living in a country that has a government dictate what you may or may not own, and then you won't have to worry about feeling like somone getting a hand up is getting a single penny more than they "deserve."

From the book that some people really believe. They really believe this. I really believe that no matter how little anyone makes, they can and should always put back money, even if it is only a dollar a week. YES, and that goes for anyone even in business. And that goes for the guy that owns a dry cleaner who bought himself a new Lexus. And they don't go out to eat, they save a little every week. Then people wouldn't go under in a crisis, at least for awhile. I don't want to give a "hand up" to someone who didn't live like I lived all of my life and I still live. Instead of saving money when some gets a windfall, they buy expensive makeup. I don't want to give money to them. No I don't.

[La lamy]

I also think there's a lot of waste in these stimulus checks. I think it should go to people who can show they've lost wages from the pandemic shutdowns.

[tsmall22204]

Your math is so wrong. Your assumptions are incorrect. Your accusations are insulting. Who are you to determine who should and who should not get the funds.
Sit back, relax, you are worried about something that is not within your control.

[PugMom]

The real scam is the $350 billion in the package that is going to bail out irresponsible state and local governments like Chicago, California and Connecticut because of many years of poor fiscal management. There financial problems existed long before Covid and now they are getting bailed out on the backs of responsible tax payers. Very sad. As far as the $2,800 stimulus my wife and I recently received, we will be needing at least that to cover the ever increasing price of gas and oil since the new administration has taken over.
:clap2::bigbow::clap2:

[Girlcopper]

I don't qualify and if I did, I'd be ashamed to receive this ill-gotten freebie unless I truly needed it. Many people receiving this stimulus, especially "some" living in The Villages, don't need this money and this freebie will only increase inflation for the rest of us.
Oh please!

[Eileenrush]

For the record I didn't write this but its pretty funny.

Government Stimulus Package', Explained:

It is a slow day in the small TEXAS town of Pumphandle, and streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is living on credit. A tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel, and lays a $100 bill on the desk saying he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs to pick one for the night.

As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to the pig farmer. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his supplier, the Co-op. The guy at the Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer her "services" on credit. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel owner. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the traveler will not suspect anything.

At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves. No one produced anything. No one earned anything... However, the whole town is now out of debt and now looks to the future with a lot more optimism......

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how a 'Stimulus package' works! Are you stimulated,yet !!

[J1ceasar]

So true I'm in the same boat. However that being said they were so many other things wrong with the stimulus package do you know that out of 1.9 trillion dollars only 480 million was actually a stimulus check. If the entire amount was a stimulus check and we each beginning about $5,000 per person. Also I always hear let's make the income tax fair I e raise it for people making more money, well why was this not giving up proportionately to those making less? So that may be those making under $50,000 would get 10,000, those between 50 and 100 we get $5,000, those between 100 and 150,000 we get just $1,000. And if it was so damn important why did it take almost 12 months between the 2nd and 3rd checks, well we really do know why but I can't talk about it on here

[Girlcopper]

Your math is so wrong. Your assumptions are incorrect. Your accusations are insulting. Who are you to determine who should and who should not get the funds.
Sit back, relax, you are worried about something that is not within your control.
Totally agree. Since the poster didnt qualify for the check and would be ashamed to take it anyway, I guess problem solved for them. Now let the rest of do what we want without comments from someone who doesnt even have a dog in this fight

[J1ceasar]

Absolutely correct in that this will will just add to the inflation we have. I really believe there should be a simple law saying any time of politician wants to spend money that is over and above the revenue it comes out of their pocket as a tax first and then he comes out of their capital. Trouble is a billion here a billionaire that really adds up

[PugMom]

Yeah if only Connecticut had refused to fork over hundreds of millions every year to the Fed, which allocated it to states like Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Alabama, we wouldn't have so much waste.

Ct has been in trouble for years since rowland worked out that MASSIVE sweetheart deal with the unions, primarily teacher's union that went to cover pensions & other fees. it's the elephant in the room that no one dare speak of. every year our taxes went up, one reason they said, to cover education. --right- meanwhile parents/teacher were picking our own pockets to cover basic supplies like kleenex & sticky notes. funding went to the unions as opposed to the students & imo that's ONE of the many reasons the state went under-& now the middle-class is gone. they have either super-wealthy, or impoverished, & now, here we are.

[PugMom]

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$1.9 Trillion divided by 330 milllion = $5,700 for each american.
ALL Americans, including children - EVERYONE.

That's how much EACH of us, even those NOT getting the $1400 will owe to pay for Bill.
We much consider that much, if not all, of these $1.9 TRILLION be be DEBT. Owed by EVERY taxpayer. And of course THAT does not include the interest $$ to be paid over the decades upon decades.

Pile THAT onto the current Federal debt of $28 TRILLION ($85,000 for EVERY single American.

Am I worried for ME? Not really. Am I worried for our Kids, Grandkids, Great+++Grandkids? Yep. Pile on the debt Washington (BOTH parties). It's only money.

And as The USA will no doubt get weaker financially - China, well you know the story.
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i read a good portion of the stimulus is going to foreign countries

[coconutmama]

The real scam is the $350 billion in the package that is going to bail out irresponsible state and local governments like Chicago, California and Connecticut because of many years of poor fiscal management. There financial problems existed long before Covid and now they are getting bailed out on the backs of responsible tax payers. Very sad. As far as the $2,800 stimulus my wife and I recently received, we will be needing at least that to cover the ever increasing price of gas and oil since the new administration has taken over.

The price of gas fluctuates based on many factors. During the last administration was no exception. For example: In Aug of 2018 it was over $3 how quick we forget & how quick we blame

[Fisherman]

Everyone has a different situation. If everyone could take one minute to realize that politics is not a part of the equation, you would understand all the different scenarios that are taking place right here in The Villages. How about all the widows and widowers here. Example, my husband died unexpectedly. We both worked hard and long to save for retirement. We paid in to Social Security and our employers did as well. Thank God we maximized our 401Ks and IRA’s to supplement SS. Then one dies and your SS income gets cut in half. You get theirs or yours which ever is higher. Now that is reality!! If you do not need the money, why don’t you donate it to the many families or local businesses that do. Send me your check, because my dream retirement changed drastically the day I lost my spouse and their are so many, just like me. Just look around your neighborhood and you will see how many of us are here. Our income level as individuals, was less than $75K. We have the same expenses as a couple, the same amenities fees, electric, phone, TV, golf fees etc. we do the best we can, living alone and trying to go on. The stimulus checks help some and they are a bonus for others. Everyone should use the money depending on their needs. Put it back in to the economy and it will grow.

[Cheapbas]

You are correct, not everyone here needs it. So as mentioned, stimulate the economy or donate it. Help a charity who helps families who lost big time in this pandemic and if that’s not available there’s always little kids with cancer.

[dewilson58]

You are correct, not everyone here needs it. So as mentioned, stimulate the economy or donate it. Help a charity who helps families who lost big time in this pandemic and if that’s not available there’s always little kids with cancer.
:bigbow:

[Mohawksin]

I don't qualify and if I did, I'd be ashamed to receive this ill-gotten freebie unless I truly needed it. Many people receiving this stimulus, especially "some" living in The Villages, don't need this money and this freebie will only increase inflation for the rest of us.

>> I don't qualify << Since the checks were to go to "everybody" would you please share with us why you don't qualify?

[dewilson58]

>> I don't qualify << Since the checks were to go to "everybody" would you please share with us why you don't qualify?
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Probably income level.
:shrug:

[Bill Torres]

Agree with you 99%. We are different in that no generation will ever repay these loans. The debt rating for the US will be equal to that of Venezuela and remember my words, in a few years you will see run-a-way inflation and this country's primary language will be Spanish and the Chinese will be our landlords.
I’m glad I am bilingual.

[cegallup]

"Yes, debt has to be repaid when it comes due. But maturing debt can be replaced with newly issued debt. Rolling over the debt in this manner means that it need never be “paid back.” Indeed, it may even grow over time in line with the scale of the economy’s operations as measured by population or GDP."
Source:
Does the National Debt Matter?| St. Louis Fed (https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/regional-economist/fourth-quarter-2020/does-national-debt-matter)If people think we can just keep printing / borrowing money ad infinitum, they DO NOT really understand Economics. Euphoria ends when the chickens come home.

[jbrown132]

President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.

The real scam is the 91% of the money form the American Rescue Plan the government is going to spend that has nothing to do what so ever with COVID relief. If they were really interested in helping people and stimulating the Economy they could have given $10K to everybody in the form of debit cards which could have been used to pay mortgages, rent or to go out and buy goods and services that would help employ people. In the end we probably would have saved a trillion dollars. This is typical of Washington. Throw the people a bone then pay off all your friends and supporters.

[Cipris58]

*yawn* you're preaching to the choir pal. Our take come is < $40k and we're doing just grand without the handout/payoff.

You can always pass it on to more fortunate.

[Jerry Leinsing]

Then when all you well off donate your stimulus checks to the Wildwood Soup Kitchen and all the local pantries around the villages, you will fead your poor neighborhoods and get a nice tax deduction next year. I love America!

[dewilson58]

I for one are sick and tired of those bashing people in the villages who have money. I worked two f-in jobs my whole life, paid more than my fair share of taxes and saved so I could enjoy retirement. If you have a F-in problem talk to the idiots you voted into office. I’m not apologizing for my wealth. I worked for it. And for those who bash me get up off your a$$ and get a job
Enjoy your retirement, you have earned it.
There are all levels of success............the American way.
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[bilcon]

"Any man who thinks he can be prosperous and happy by letting the government support him should take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford

[DaleDivine]

:bigbow::bigbow:
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[jbrown132]

I always thought oil and gas prices were set by supply and demand, and not by governments.
In early 2020 oil prices crashed because of the pandemic, when demand was at rock bottom.
Demand has now risen beyond production, so price goes through the roof.
Soon oil producers will step up production to take advantage of the high price, then when the glut of the stuff comes, prices will drop.
It's a never ending cycle.
I don't see anything political in it.

That doesn’t explain why before the pandemic gas was selling for two dollars a gallon. It’s was called energy independent.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

So true I'm in the same boat. However that being said they were so many other things wrong with the stimulus package do you know that out of 1.9 trillion dollars only 480 million was actually a stimulus check. If the entire amount was a stimulus check and we each beginning about $5,000 per person. Also I always hear let's make the income tax fair I e raise it for people making more money, well why was this not giving up proportionately to those making less? So that may be those making under $50,000 would get 10,000, those between 50 and 100 we get $5,000, those between 100 and 150,000 we get just $1,000. And if it was so damn important why did it take almost 12 months between the 2nd and 3rd checks, well we really do know why but I can't talk about it on here

The 2nd and 3rd checks took a year because the previous administration felt that was what was needed at the time. Just like they felt that almost $2T was needed to provide massive tax cuts for the wealthy and very successful corporations. You know, the ones they said would save jobs, add millions of new jobs, and provide bonuses to employees. The ones that MOST employees never saw a dime of.

[JMintzer]

I always thought oil and gas prices were set by supply and demand, and not by governments.
In early 2020 oil prices crashed because of the pandemic, when demand was at rock bottom.
Demand has now risen beyond production, so price goes through the roof.
Soon oil producers will step up production to take advantage of the high price, then when the glut of the stuff comes, prices will drop.
It's a never ending cycle.
I don't see anything political in it.

Oil production (at least in the US) is most certainly political. The recent EOs banning offshore drilling will decrease production and increase demand.

Decreasing fracking will do the same for Natural Gas prices...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

>> I don't qualify << Since the checks were to go to "everybody" would you please share with us why you don't qualify?

They don't go to everybody. In fact, fewer people qualify this time around, because they lowered the income threshold to qualify. I have to wonder if some of you even took 5 minutes to skim the section summaries of the bill, or if you just bought whatever hyperbolic vomitus some random political correspondent chose to spew into the camera.

[SacDQ]

The money given away is your money. When they create a unheard of amount of spending out of thin air you are handed the bill to cover the cost in INFLATION 💰💰💰

[merrymini]

The government is burying us in debt and sent most of it to clean up the mess is debt ridden states and abroad. Only a small fraction is going to Americans. Disgusting power play.

[DeanFL]

They don't go to everybody. In fact, fewer people qualify this time around, because they lowered the income threshold to qualify. I have to wonder if some of you even took 5 minutes to skim the section summaries of the bill, or if you just bought whatever hyperbolic vomitus some random political correspondent chose to spew into the camera.
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Did YOU "even took 5 minutes to skim the section summaries of the bill" to actually see where so much of the $1.9 is REALLY going? Hmm, did you???

On that point, wait until the "Infrastruture Bill" - reportedly going to be $3 TRILLION - will be going to. Two words come to mind. Pork and Earmarks.
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[rmd2]

I always thought oil and gas prices were set by supply and demand, and not by governments.
In early 2020 oil prices crashed because of the pandemic, when demand was at rock bottom.
Demand has now risen beyond production, so price goes through the roof.
Soon oil producers will step up production to take advantage of the high price, then when the glut of the stuff comes, prices will drop.
It's a never ending cycle.
I don't see anything political in it.

Did you miss the part about the pipeline and oil independence? That's why gas was $1.88 a year ago.

[JanetMM]

Our stimulus money will put to work a company that installs vinyl floors, a furniture store, and another company to install a new air conditioner. I call that a win-win.

In addition to all that your money will help the company that manufactures the vinyl floor, that makes the furniture, that ships the furniture and on. That is stimulating, isn’t it?

[lpkruege1]

Why is everyone worried about what someone else is getting? Worry more about what other countries are getting and who is going to have to pay this money back.

[meridian5850]

I don't qualify and if I did, I'd be ashamed to receive this ill-gotten freebie unless I truly needed it. Many people receiving this stimulus, especially "some" living in The Villages, don't need this money and this freebie will only increase inflation for the rest of us.

We haven't needed any of the stimulus checks, so we decided at the outset to donate to favorite charities, spend it locally, and significantly overtip when dining out. I'm sure a great many of villagers have done the same.

Also, regarding your inflation claim - since the stimulus checks only made up 9% of the spending package, I'm pretty sure the other 91% of that pork spending will affect inflation to a much greater extent.

[OrlandoAl]

I sent a thank you note to my grandchildren for the $2800.

[DAVES]

President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.

There is a tremendous difference between what we are told and REALITY. Checks for lost income due to Corona virus. Retired people here and everywhere, getting checks.
HUH, they are not working. Can't get to work due to corona virus? Pure insanity.

Where is this money coming from-the printing press. Sooner or later people, the world will realize the dollar is a nice print job. The full faith and credit of the United States.
I don't think anyone does not wonder about the full faith and credit of the United States and it's declining value.

[Bill14564]

That doesn’t explain why before the pandemic gas was selling for two dollars a gallon. It’s was called energy independent.

Was it selling for under $2/gallon?

This chart (https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/pdf/sec9_6.pdf) shows otherwise. I see no reason to doubt its accuracy but if there is a better source of information I would be interested in it.

[daddys55]

President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.

Don't worry with the gas prices and taxes going up you will pay it back ten fold

[Jokomo]

The real scam is the $350 billion in the package that is going to bail out irresponsible state and local governments like Chicago, California and Connecticut because of many years of poor fiscal management. There financial problems existed long before Covid and now they are getting bailed out on the backs of responsible tax payers. Very sad. As far as the $2,800 stimulus my wife and I recently received, we will be needing at least that to cover the ever increasing price of gas and oil since the new administration has taken over.

The Federal Deficit was $439 billion in 2015. You’re aiming at the wrong enemy.

[jebartle]

i read a good portion of the stimulus is going to foreign countries

Please fact check.

[blueash]

Did you miss the part about the pipeline and oil independence? That's why gas was $1.88 a year ago.

Oh please, what foolishness you've been fed. The cancelled "pipeline" is not built and has not moved a single drop of crude. Its existence sometime in the future or its cancellation has exactly ZERO influence on the price of oil today. Same with the claim posted that the executive actions cancelling drilling permits which have not been issued and have produced nothing has no influence on the price of oil today. The US exports oil to over 100 different countries. This has not changed since Jan 20th. The big increase in US oil production happened under the administration that was in office from 2009 to 2017. I know you don't hear that from some news sources which continuously tell you how terrible the energy policy has been.

Gas was 1.88 a year ago because the country and the world were shutting down. Demand was down as no one knew how deep the economic consequences of Covid were going to be. Now things are improving, so demand is up. This is so simple even Fox News should understand it. But when their experts later claim that no reasonable person should believe them, I can't find fault with your falling victim to such misinformation.

[Carlsondm]

The economy is in trouble and families are hurting. The stimulus will help many to survive, and help others to stimulate the economy slightly. It is only a bump to help the worker bees. I am not getting a check and never have, but I am not against helping others. I know some who are giving their checks to others .. caregivers. Please don’t prejudge.

We all need too ‘bump’ out of this pandemic and return to a semblance of normalcy.
Florida is still a viral playground. Wait 2-4 weeks and note the effects of spring breaks.

[BlackhawksFan]

Look my family (we aren't Villagers but it's in my backyard) unfortunately is one who needs this help. Both my brother and I lost our jobs last year and we struggle to stay afloat making a mortgage payment, taxes, utilities, my car payment, auto insurance, groceries. It's tough but we're here and we have each other to lean on.

I'm really glad some of you don't need the money. Do what Winston said, put it back into our community. Get take out, tip well. Buy something you always wanted. Many businesses of all sizes are struggling too and by putting that money out there you help them feed their families.

This isn't a political issue, it's an American issue and I'm glad the government is helping our own when we need it.

[jebartle]

The real scam is the 91% of the money form the American Rescue Plan the government is going to spend that has nothing to do what so ever with COVID relief. If they were really interested in helping people and stimulating the Economy they could have given $10K to everybody in the form of debit cards which could have been used to pay mortgages, rent or to go out and buy goods and services that would help employ people. In the end we probably would have saved a trillion dollars. This is typical of Washington. Throw the people a bone then pay off all your friends and supporters.

Please please fact check.

[jebartle]

Oil production (at least in the US) is most certainly political. The recent EOs banning offshore drilling will decrease production and increase demand.

Decreasing fracking will do the same for Natural Gas prices...

hmmm! As a bonus it might, just might, help climate change.

[justjim]

There are two purposes for stimulus checks. One is to help those that need help. The second purpose and the reason that it's called a stimulus is that the hope is that those that don't need the money will splurge on something thereby giving businesses an added boost.

Spot on with this comment. Don’t you just love the myth that everyone living in The Villages is rich! Many of us worked for 40 years, avoided spending what we earned on “instant gratification”, saved all that we could for our retirement years, paid our taxes and now live comfortably in The Villages, FL. If that makes us rich, then so be it.

[OhioBuckeye]

President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.

FG111 - I agree, also all the other FREE things. Wonder how long it’ll be before the U.S. goes bankrupt!

[dewilson58]

Spot on with this comment. Don’t you just love the myth that everyone living in The Villages is rich! Many of us worked for 40 years, avoided spending what we earned on “instant gratification”, saved all that we could for our retirement years, paid our taxes and now live comfortably in The Villages, FL. If that makes us rich, then so be it.
Rich is more than money.

[jebartle]

The government is burying us in debt and sent most of it to clean up the mess is debt ridden states and abroad. Only a small fraction is going to Americans. Disgusting power play.

Please, do us all a favor, and read the stimulus bill, and then, maybe then, we will all be better informed, and not pass on misinformation.

[fraurose]

You don’t have an idea what this is about !
I would say educate yourself on this matter.

[Two Bills]

Did you miss the part about the pipeline and oil independence? That's why gas was $1.88 a year ago.

What pipeline?
The rate was so low because demand was not there.

[Cheiro]

President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.

The stimulus is just that, to stimulate the economy and the vast majority of folks who will receive it will truly need it. As for those who do not need the money, they have a couple of choices. They can always return it, or better yet, donate it to a worthy charity. A charity will certainly be able to spend the money and stimulate the economy.

[Petersweeney]

Someone bought my old golf cart with their family’s stimulus check and I coupled it with my family’s stimulus check to stimulate my credit card company to the tune of 8400 - now I’m not going to complain.

[Two Bills]

Did you miss the part about the pipeline and oil independence? That's why gas was $1.88 a year ago.

What pipeline?
The rate was so low because demand was not there.

[fraurose]

I 100 percent agree with you !
Hopefully there will read this.

[yabbadu]

President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.

Just give yours back.......Easy peasy:bigbow:

[Marty94]

In addition to all that your money will help the company that manufactures the vinyl floor, that makes the furniture, that ships the furniture and on. That is stimulating, isn’t it?

I think that depends on where those products are made. So many of our available products are made in China. Personally, I don’t think a country that is responsible for a pandemic should be rewarded, but many folks will be using their stimulus checks to purchase Chinese products and that I don’t support.

I also don’t support money going to prisoners. The argument to give them money was on the premise that they have families that might need that money, but I would counter-argue that family member may qualify on their own and many do not have families.

When my brother was attacked a few years ago by a meth head and left disabled, he refused to let his injuries get the best of him. He worked hard to regain the ability to walk and went back to work as soon as he could. He still suffers from his injuries. His assailant is still in prison. He will get a stimulus check; my brother who is faithfully paying his taxes will not. Our government made the decision to give checks to prisoners. I do not support this and I do not see how anyone in good conscience could do so.

[jebartle]

We haven't needed any of the stimulus checks, so we decided at the outset to donate to favorite charities, spend it locally, and significantly overtip when dining out. I'm sure a great many of villagers have done the same.

Also, regarding your inflation claim - since the stimulus checks only made up 9% of the spending package, I'm pretty sure the other 91% of that pork spending will affect inflation to a much greater extent.

Have you read the bill? Define pork please, federal "pork" is on the way for Florida. A little compassion goes a long way for folks that are less fortunate. Sometimes saving any amount of money is impossible with illness and unexpected circumstances. I know that the Villages has more compassion than is displayed on this post.

[Ptmckiou]

It’s not a scam. It’s called a “stimulus” for a reason. Do your part, and SPEND IT! That is the whole point. Flood the economy with money and get things rolling again. Concentrate on the 95% that need it, and not the 5% that don’t. Most Americans are extremely thankful for the additional help.

[Two Bills]

Oil production (at least in the US) is most certainly political. The recent EOs banning offshore drilling will decrease production and increase demand.

Decreasing fracking will do the same for Natural Gas prices...

I am sure the Oil Industry is all about politics, but I was replying to a post regarding the present rise in oil prices.
Which over the last year was due to basic supply and demand, which was worldwide and not anything to do with politics.
Future price rises may be affected by political decisions in the USA. I leave that to the Wall Street Traders to speculate on!

As foot note.
Gas in the UK is today is $8.18 a gallon.
Diesel today is $8.66 a gallon!

[Love2Swim]

Agree with you 99%. We are different in that no generation will ever repay these loans. The debt rating for the US will be equal to that of Venezuela and remember my words, in a few years you will see run-a-way inflation and this country's primary language will be Spanish and the Chinese will be our landlords.

:1rotfl:

[Love2Swim]

It’s not a scam. It’s called a “stimulus” for a reason. Do your part, and SPEND IT! That is the whole point. Flood the economy with money and get things rolling again. Concentrate on the 95% that need it, and not the 5% that don’t. Most Americans are extremely thankful for the additional help.

:bigbow:

[amsajeti]

leave 100 200 300 dollar tips. make some ones day. it will make you feel good

[tvbound]

That always makes me want to bite. I have noticed a good many people who live in The Villages were very poor to begin with and many worked two jobs, or 16 hour days and were on call every vacation in their life. Maybe they aren't WEALTHY but some have enough to be envied, and that is what happens, they are envied. It didn't just fall on them or get willed to them. I wonder what those folks who envy the financially comfortable say to their kids, hmmm. Do your homework, don't miss school, work toward your goal. Don't waste your money, get ahead, be a success, but for God's sake don't come home and tell me you are the CEO of a huge company.........

Sorry, but for tens of millions of hard working Americans, "envy" has absolutely nothing to do with it. Just a continued disgust with giving tax cuts to those who need it the absolute least (and those who see no problem with this inequity), while those who need it the most - get nothing more than crumbs. Because we are more fortunate than most, we don't have a problem with contributing more than most.

[blueash]

The real scam is the 91% of the money form the American Rescue Plan the government is going to spend that has nothing to do what so ever with COVID relief..

This is a bald faced lie circulating on social media and spread by people who do not take the time to actually do anything even approaching a fact check. 9% of the bill was for vaccines, testing, and contact tracing, and other public health measures. But that is not the only Covid relief provided. So read the bill, or read the summary or read a fact check. Here are a few fact checks on your lie:

Fact check: Breaking down spending in the COVID-19 relief bill (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/02/fact-check-breaking-down-spending-covid-19-relief-bill/6887487002/) this one is before the Senate made a few changes.

PolitiFact | Budd says 9% of stimulus targets COVID, the rest is 'not even' related (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/01/ted-budd/budd-says-9-stimulus-targets-covid-rest-not-even-r/) again before the final bill language

FactChecking Cruz's Partisan Spin on COVID-19 Bill - FactCheck.org (https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/factchecking-cruzs-partisan-spin-on-covid-19-bill/)

By the way, where did the $1,400 per person figure originate that is provided by this third stimulus program? In Dec 2020 the second stimulus program passed and was signed by Trump. It included a $600 per person check. He went on twitter and TV (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps-call-for-2000-stimulus-checks-hailed-by-critics-pelosi-aoc-sanders)and complained that it should have been $2000 per person (https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/president-trump-calls-on-congress-to-amend-covid-19-bill-with-2k-checks).

Congress accepted his suggestion and took his $2000 per person figure, subtracted the $600 paid in December 2020 and agreed to pay the difference of $1400 with this law. How quickly people forget or get brainwashed into forgetting.

[Cindy619]

Don't need it? Give it away! It's fun... :)

[blueash]

From pairadocs never in their lives failed to pay their income taxes (unlike a number of IRS and other government employees, and that's certainly NOT a reflection on the many ethical retired government employees who live in our community, just a reference to the well publicized fact that a very high percentage of tax cheats work for the government compared to the population in general)

I tried to find any online statement (https://www.google.com/search?q=tax+cheats+%22work+for+the+government%22&biw=1600&bih=757&ei=gVVbYPDPEcWSwbkP4N2fyA8&oq=tax+cheats+%22work+for+the+government%22&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQghEKABMgUIIRCgAToHCAAQRxC wAzoFCCEQqwJQoJ8BWMK3AWCyvQFoAXACeACAAYQBiAG4A5IBA zEuM5gBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwiwlNCrmsnvAhVFSTABHeDuB_k4FBDh1QMIDQ&uact=5) supporting your "well publicized fact" and found none. Perhaps you'd like to come back and give a few links to that well publicized fact.

[algi45]

Scamming? Strong words, though irrelevant. The law is the law. Those who are receiving the checks are entitled per act of congress.

[tvbound]

From pairadocs

I tried to find any online statement (https://www.google.com/search?q=tax+cheats+%22work+for+the+government%22&biw=1600&bih=757&ei=gVVbYPDPEcWSwbkP4N2fyA8&oq=tax+cheats+%22work+for+the+government%22&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQghEKABMgUIIRCgAToHCAAQRxC wAzoFCCEQqwJQoJ8BWMK3AWCyvQFoAXACeACAAYQBiAG4A5IBA zEuM5gBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwiwlNCrmsnvAhVFSTABHeDuB_k4FBDh1QMIDQ&uact=5) supporting your "well publicized fact" and found none. Perhaps you'd like to come back and give a few links to that well publicized fact.

A whole lot of people seem to be allergic to actual facts and prefer to just run with anything said, that supports their own uninformed opinion. It's much appreciated that you, and a few others, actually provide links to facts and the truth.

[allsport]

If you did not yell about the tax cut for the rich, this has zero credibility.

[Stu from NYC]

If you did not yell about the tax cut for the rich, this has zero credibility.

The problem with your statement is the "rich" do spend a lot that helps to create jobs and also invests in business that also helps to create jobs.

A lot of what the govt does in taking money from us is they spend it very wastefully.

[conman5652@aol.com]

You must not believe that this rescue package is needed. The stimulus check is give the economy a quick start to get people back work. As for republicans be fiscal conservatives. Don’t go there. That boat sales when Bush took over after Clinton left office and so did balance budgets

[Lil GTO]

The way I see it the government has taken hundreds of thousands of dollars from me in my 55+ years of working if they want to give me some of my own money back so be it.

President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Sorry, but for tens of millions of hard working Americans, "envy" has absolutely nothing to do with it. Just a continued disgust with giving tax cuts to those who need it the absolute least (and those who see no problem with this inequity), while those who need it the most - get nothing more than crumbs. Because we are more fortunate than most, we don't have a problem with contributing more than most.


Can you give me some examples of these tax cuts for the rich?

[sanman8285]

That is not a fair assumption. what about the people that actually save the money did right by themselves to afford a house paid off cash and live on an income that they worked for that they pay taxes for what about the people that are collecting the stimulus money have not worked a day in their life and are driving $80,000 cars and not paying rent or mortgage?

[aallbrand]

No way for Government to help only who need so yes in helping those in need some will benefit who should not. This is chump change in comparison to crooked and disorganized ear marks and government contracts wasted over the last 50 years. Lets be happy that government wasted some money on those who actually pay taxes

[Cheryl Barrios]

Its strange how we get our panties in a wade when giving stimulus to those helping to bump the economy, but when we need to give tax breaks to the wealthy, no problem. Hmmmm!

I am on a fixed income that includes a small pension and $156 from SS each month. Because of that, I get nothing from the government for stimulus. Could I use the money to stimulate the economy? Yes, just as much if not more than the next guy. Does it make me angry that I don't get it because I have a pension check even though it is small and SS? Yes. I have worked my entire life - and worked hard. Just because of this I get nothing. I don't like handouts but so many are getting them that don't need them that I'd like to get my fair share. I would appreciate lower taxes or no income taxes just as much.

[jimjamuser]

President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.
I personally would have LOWERED the cut-off AGI to 1/2 that or even $50K for an individual. I would give those under $50K more than $ 14,000. So, I agree that the MOST needy should get the stimulus checks. Unfortunately, the government has to do stimulus in broad strokes. There is no computer program that could perfectly calculate which individuals have the most NEED - yearly AGI is a broad brush that is easy for the government to use. The important thing is that RENTERS were about to be thrown out into the street and the government needed to react QUICKLY. There may be, in the near future, some relief from CV because of the increase in vaccine shots distribution. Hopefully, that brings back jobs. And this stimulus could help the economy to stabilize. It had to be done and I would NOT have voted against it!

[golfing eagles]

I am on a fixed income that includes a small pension and $156 from SS each month. Because of that, I get nothing from the government for stimulus. Could I use the money to stimulate the economy? Yes, just as much if not more than the next guy. Does it make me angry that I don't get it because I have a pension check even though it is small and SS? Yes. I have worked my entire life - and worked hard. Just because of this I get nothing. I don't like handouts but so many are getting them that don't need them that I'd like to get my fair share. I would appreciate lower taxes or no income taxes just as much.

OK, but your "small pension" must total $73,128/ year since you only get $1872/year in SS and stimulus checks were given out this time to those with income under $75,000. Then please define "fair share". Do you believe you paid your "fair share" of taxes all your life?

[jimjamuser]

There are two purposes for stimulus checks. One is to help those that need help. The second purpose and the reason that it's called a stimulus is that the hope is that those that don't need the money will splurge on something thereby giving businesses an added boost.
It is a known economic principle that stimulus money given to any higher-income folks often is NOT spent! That money has less "velocity" or good effect on the economy. It is put into savings accounts or gold or some other non-productive-to-the-economy holding place.

[golfing eagles]

I personally would have LOWERED the cut-off AGI to 1/2 that or even $50K for an individual. I would give those under $50K more than $ 14,000. So, I agree that the MOST needy should get the stimulus checks. Unfortunately, the government has to do stimulus in broad strokes. There is no computer program that could perfectly calculate which individuals have the most NEED - yearly AGI is a broad brush that is easy for the government to use. The important thing is that RENTERS were about to be thrown out into the street and the government needed to react QUICKLY. There may be, in the near future, some relief from CV because of the increase in vaccine shots distribution. Hopefully, that brings back jobs. And this stimulus could help the economy to stabilize. It had to be done and I would NOT have voted against it!

However, this was intended as a STIMULUS check, NOT a welfare check. That being said, I would have gone one step further than you. The checks should only go to those whose income was adversely affected by COVID. NOT to those already mooching off the taxpayer on perpetual welfare, NOT to those retired and living off investments that haven't changed. These are the people who will spend the $$$ and stimulate the economy. I struggled to give away the last 2 $600 payments to workers, now I'm stuck with $1400 to give away. I didn't want it, I don't need it, but I'm glad the government put it in my hands so I can direct it to those that do need it, since the government is basically clueless.

[golfing eagles]

It is a known economic principle that stimulus money given to any higher-income folks often is NOT spent! That money has less "velocity" or good effect on the economy. It is put into savings accounts or gold or some other non-productive-to-the-economy holding place.

That may be the first thing you ever posted that I agree with :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

That is worth repeating, great post! Kudos!

Since you agree with that statement, perhaps you could tell Dr. Boogie just what tax breaks for "the wealthy" the OP was referring to?

[Doug526]

If it comes out of my Taxes then well deserved. Government is Ruining Our Country and many don’t care or not smart enough to see the waste in the Bill.

[jimjamuser]

Good for you. Pat yourself on the back! I am sure you double pay income tax too, out of your concern. I, for one, believe my taxes paid are way too much. The federal government is out of control. Anything the people can claw back from them is a good thing.
The federal government is NOT "out of control". It did what it is supposed to do in this case. The federal government is DESIGNED to protect and help its citizens, especially in a crisis. Could any of us by ourselves have built our interstate road system? Or any of the BIG scientific and medical miracles of modern America. Hating on Government is like a dog biting the hand that feeds him!

[jimjamuser]

The part that bothers me is the govt just keeps borrowing to spend money they do not have and has no intention of ever paying it back.

At some point it will be time to pay the piper.
Wrong - and especially when we are in a low-interest environment. Telling people to now worry about the "boogeyman of national debt" is just a scare tactic. Now is the PERFECT time to borrow!

[jimjamuser]

"Yes, debt has to be repaid when it comes due. But maturing debt can be replaced with newly issued debt. Rolling over the debt in this manner means that it need never be “paid back.” Indeed, it may even grow over time in line with the scale of the economy’s operations as measured by population or GDP."
Source:
Does the National Debt Matter?| St. Louis Fed (https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/regional-economist/fourth-quarter-2020/does-national-debt-matter)
Correct!

[DeanFL]

Wrong - and especially when we are in a low-interest environment. Telling people to now worry about the "boogeyman of national debt" is just a scare tactic. Now is the PERFECT time to borrow!
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huh???? That's like telling your wife (if you have one) "Hey Honey - since auto loans are only 4.5% I'm going to the Rolls Royce dealer and get that new one I'm dreaming of. I know that this will be our fifth new car costing over $200K each. Don't worry about the Millions we owe on other things. When we go, our kids will take care of our debts. OK? And since mortgages are so low too, let's get that mansion you had your eyes on. INTEREST RATES ARE SO LOW! NOW is the PERFECT TIME TO BORROW!!!


Say what????
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[Stu from NYC]

Wrong - and especially when we are in a low-interest environment. Telling people to now worry about the "boogeyman of national debt" is just a scare tactic. Now is the PERFECT time to borrow!

The problem is it is very likely we will be getting some inflation and that will drive interest rates way up and compound the problem.

Govt spending is often very wasteful and there are too many things in this law that will not help us get back to where we all want to be.

Paying people more than they can make in the job they had before is not going to be putting people back to work.

[CWGUY]

I am on a fixed income that includes a small pension and $156 from SS each month. Because of that, I get nothing from the government for stimulus. Could I use the money to stimulate the economy? Yes, just as much if not more than the next guy. Does it make me angry that I don't get it because I have a pension check even though it is small and SS? Yes. I have worked my entire life - and worked hard. Just because of this I get nothing. I don't like handouts but so many are getting them that don't need them that I'd like to get my fair share. I would appreciate lower taxes or no income taxes just as much.

:confused: I'm confused again. The income cutoff for a single tax payer is $75,000. You state you get no stimulus because you have a small pension and $156 from SS each month.
You do know $75,000 is $6250 a month or over $1400 a week.The Florida Poverty Level for 2020 was $12,760 for 1 and $26,200 for a family of 4 (approx. 1/3 of your income). I feel like I'm missing something here. I believe you..... again I just don't understand. $156 a month times 12 is less than $2000. How does one have a pension over $73,000 and get such a small SS check? I guess it's possible. :)

[CWGUY]

OK, but your "small pension" must total $73,128/ year since you only get $1872/year in SS and stimulus checks were given out this time to those with income under $75,000. Then please define "fair share". Do you believe you paid your "fair share" of taxes all your life?

:bigbow: Sorry didn't see your post in time..... too busy scratching my head. :icon_wink:

[bobdeb]

The real scam is the $350 billion in the package that is going to bail out irresponsible state and local governments like Chicago, California and Connecticut because of many years of poor fiscal management. There financial problems existed long before Covid and now they are getting bailed out on the backs of responsible tax payers. Very sad. As far as the $2,800 stimulus my wife and I recently received, we will be needing at least that to cover the ever increasing price of gas and oil since the new administration has taken over.

Well stated. It's a travesty.

My dad had a saying. "You make your bed, and you lie in it." Meaning, decisions were made this past November that will be dealt with for generations to come. You decide what that means for better or for worse.

Thankfully, I won't be around much longer to see the adverse repercussions.

The folks making these poorly thought out decisions are not directly impacted by them. They are living off the backs of tax paying Americans.

[Rosebud1949]

President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act on March 11. Provisions in the bill authorize another round of $1,400 stimulus checks for each eligible person ($2,800 for couples).

There are 1000's of couples living in The Villages with a paid-off house, no debt, tons of money in the bank, free paid medical insurance and as long as their gross adjusted yearly income is under $150,000, the couple will receive $2,800 in free US tax dollars. This is on top of the two prior stimulus checks they have received in the past six months.

I honestly believe those folks who need the money should be helped, but this stimulus money was not meant for people who didn't need it and for those people living in The Villages that meet this criteria and don't need the stimulus money are just scamming the rest of us.

Many should try living on $1000 per month, even though the house is paid for. Everything costs us just the same as the "rich folk" you talk about. Prices have tripled in 14 years. Workmen wont come out for less than $80-100 an hour. I admit I dont see how anyone living on more than 40K here need stimulus. It is greed. Perhaps you and I are old fashioned, or the exception to the rule of "Live within your means".

[jebartle]

That is not a fair assumption. what about the people that actually save the money did right by themselves to afford a house paid off cash and live on an income that they worked for that they pay taxes for what about the people that are collecting the stimulus money have not worked a day in their life and are driving $80,000 cars and not paying rent or mortgage?

That would be a stretch! Unless, of course, you have personal knowledge, maybe you gave birth to this individual.

[retiredguy123]

Wrong - and especially when we are in a low-interest environment. Telling people to now worry about the "boogeyman of national debt" is just a scare tactic. Now is the PERFECT time to borrow!
If that is true, then why raise taxes? Just borrow all the money you want to spend and leave the tax rate where it is.

[Joe V.]

The federal government is NOT "out of control". It did what it is supposed to do in this case. The federal government is DESIGNED to protect and help its citizens, especially in a crisis. Could any of us by ourselves have built our interstate road system? Or any of the BIG scientific and medical miracles of modern America. Hating on Government is like a dog biting the hand that feeds him!

Says you. The entire COVID relief bill is the real scam. A pittance to Americans tens of millions to foreign governments. The Federal Government has grown out of control of the people since the 60s. I know, I can just here you say, well a stronger fed authority works in NZ.

[tvbound]

Can you give me some examples of these tax cuts for the rich?

I easily could, but I won't. I'm not going to be baited into a subject that is banned here and it only takes a very simple search, which most anyone can do, to find the examples.

[Joe V.]

I easily could, but I won't. I'm not going to be baited into a subject that is banned here and it only takes a very simple search, which most anyone can do, to find the examples.



LOL. You replied to a post you agreed to in this thread with "A whole lot of people seem to be allergic to actual facts and prefer to just run with anything said, that supports their own uninformed opinion. It's much appreciated that you, and a few others, actually provide links to facts and the truth. "

Now you refuse to do what you complimented someone did. Hypocritical actions.

Run, run, run, run .... runaway.