Atomic car

[Juliewaters]

We are thinking about purchasing an atomic car as it looks and sounds like a great golf cart. Just wondering what you guys think about the atomic car. The one we want is a lithium powered electric cart.
Would appreciate any input you have
Thank you
Julie

[Topspinmo]

My neighbor has one, it’s got A/C and heat. He really likes it. But he only uses it to got to store which about mile and half away.

[twoplanekid]

Another to look at as it is similar would be the Crown view golf carts located behind Russell Stover shop off of 44 across the bridge west of Wildwood. I own one that is identical to the CR-4 crown only a 2019. The range of mine with regular sealed batteries is 60 miles per charge.

Crown View I | Crown Golf Carts (https://www.crowncarts.com/all-new-crown-view)

[John_W]

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[Juliewaters]

Thanks very much

[DeanFL]

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It always astounds me when I see the prices of new golf carts here. We have a 2010 Tomberlin with 9,000 miles now. And we plan to simply maintain/repair it until WE croak. When I see new carts at about $10K UP - the Atomic is $15K???

Even this year - a BRAND NEW CAR base price is a bit more than that. There are quite a few NEW cars with all the safety features +++ for $15K-$18KMSRP. There must be such a HUGE profit margin in golf carts. EVERY individual component of a golf car vs "regular car" HAS TO BE so much cheaper to manufacture - example, GC engine vs car, transmission, suspension, interior, even wheels/tires.

Here's an example of one of those New Cars>

2021 Nissan Versa
Base price: $15,855
Fuel Economy EPA combined/city/highway: 30/27/35 mpg
Warranty: 5-year/60,000-mile powertrain and 3-year/36,000-mile limited warranty

The Nissan Versa is a safe bet both in terms of safety and finances. The Versa comes standard with front and rear automated emergency braking, automatic high-beams, and lane-departure warning. It also uses a larger 7.0-inch touchscreen for infotainment. A 122-hp inline-four powers the front wheels with a standard five-speed manual transmission.
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[Malsua]

.There must be such a HUGE profit margin in golf carts.
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You're missing the scale of it.

Nissan built and sold 1.5 million cars in 2017 and 2018. The industry as a whole is somewhere north of 18 million in the US alone and 100million globally.

All manufacturers of all carts sold were under 100,000 units in 2017. Club car has a sales of $105,000,000. Sounds like a lot until you realize the average new cart is around $18,000-20000, putting the total sales at under 6000 units. You don't get the same discount on parts for 6000 pieces as you do for 1.5 million + 20% for repairs.

While I don't doubt they make profit, it's probably not Simon Bar Sinister level of profits.

[Mortal1]

You get what you pay for...so if you buy a less expensive cart don't be surprised if it doesn't live up to your expectations.

[DeanFL]

You're missing the scale of it.

Nissan built and sold 1.5 million cars in 2017 and 2018. The industry as a whole is somewhere north of 18 million in the US alone and 100million globally.

All manufacturers of all carts sold were under 100,000 units in 2017. Club car has a sales of $105,000,000. Sounds like a lot until you realize the average new cart is around $18,000-20000, putting the total sales at under 6000 units. You don't get the same discount on parts for 6000 pieces as you do for 1.5 million + 20% for repairs.

While I don't doubt they make profit, it's probably not Simon Bar Sinister level of profits.
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of course... the volume/cost re individual "parts" are certainly not comparable.

BUT There is NO WAY that the individual (in my example) Nissan Versa CAR engine and transmission has the same material and labor cost VERSUS the little engine and 'belt transmission' in a Yamaha or such GOLF CART.

I could provide many more examples - assembly by assembly - CAR vs CART that blows away the 'unit volume' argument. Please - 'sinister'?
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[Road-Runner]

If I thought I'd get away with it I'd buy a clean used Prius, swap out the badges for 'EZ GO' and ride the cart paths in air conditioned comfort.... the wife told me NO.

[Malsua]

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of course... the volume/cost re individual "parts" are certainly not comparable.

BUT There is NO WAY that the individual (in my example) Nissan Versa CAR engine and transmission has the same material and labor cost VERSUS the little engine and 'belt transmission' in a Yamaha or such GOLF CART.

I could provide many more examples - assembly by assembly - CAR vs CART that blows away the 'unit volume' argument. Please - 'sinister'?
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I happen to work in a factory, at least for another week. I also work with suppliers, globally. I can tell you that the first part costs all the money. Each subsequent part is dirt cheap, to the point that packaging, storage and shipment becomes a substantial portion of the cost.

Once you are tooled up and the machines start, each additional piece cost approaches zero. Furthermore, when you work with countries that manipulate their currency, you get insane imbalances.

As to sinister, Simon Bar Sinister is a cartoon character. He would do all these evil plots to steal all the money and rule the world. He was always defeated by Underdog.

[DeanFL]

I happen to work in a factory, at least for another week. I also work with suppliers, globally. I can tell you that the first part costs all the money. Each subsequent part is dirt cheap, to the point that packaging, storage and shipment becomes a substantial portion of the cost.

Once you are tooled up and the machines start, each additional piece cost approaches zero. Furthermore, when you work with countries that manipulate their currency, you get insane imbalances.

As to sinister, Simon Bar Sinister is a cartoon character. He would do all these evil plots to steal all the money and rule the world. He was always defeated by Underdog.

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so, this means -still- that with all the information and data that I COULD supply to you, that a $15,500 (or so) brand new Yamaha Golf Cart (or Atomic, etc) has the same cost/content as that 2021 Nissan Versa that I had shown? So that little single-cylinder Yamaha engine & belt transmission total manufacturing cost is the same for Yamaha as it is for that Nissan hi-tech 4 cylinder modern engine with all the latest computer-controlled devices, and complex transmission? ...So the 140,000th Nissan engine and drive train is "Dirt Cheap"???? I could provide so many more other examples - such as the gasoline tank for the Yamaha vs the Nissan. How about the windows? Safety- glass expensive windshield, rear window, 4 side windows - power - motors/switches. Automotive instrument panel - oh, heck I'll stop right there...c'mon! the CONTENT of that 2021 Yamaha or Atomic or whatever make golf car simply CANNOT compare to a similarly-MSRP-priced AUTOMOBILE. If you state that compiling the "factory costs" of ALL the components for that new golf cart is the SAME for that Automotive vehicle, please....
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[canyonblue]

so, this means -still- that with all the information and data that I COULD supply to you, that a $15,500 (or so) brand new Yamaha Golf Cart (or Atomic, etc) has the same cost/content as that 2021 Nissan Versa that I had shown?


Bottom line. Can you drive that Nissan Versa on the golf course? The price argument ends there.

[DeanFL]

Bottom line. Can you drive that Nissan Versa on the golf course? The price argument ends there.

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have no idea what the point of this is. ???

The 'argument' was SOLELY re the actual COST (and subsequent profit) of a new golf cart vs a new automobile. period.
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[canyonblue]

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have no idea what the point of this is. ???
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The POINT is there is no comparison. It's like talking about the price of a lawnmower verses a power washer. Yes there is a HUGE profit margin in golf carts, because there can be.

[DeanFL]

The POINT is there is no comparison. It's like talking about the price of a lawnmower verses a power washer. Yes there is a HUGE profit margin in golf carts, because there can be.

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I disagree, there is a comparison. Go back to the original POINT. All I said was the re profit margin between VEHICLES. I believe some are arguing for argument's sake here.

You made my original point - "Yes there is a HUGE profit margin in golf carts, because there can be."
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