Always Fun in The Villages

[Mleeja]

I was out for the afternoon cart ride with the dog and we stopped by the pond next to the first green on Glenview’s Tally Ho course. I heard some yelling and someone from Glenview was telling two guys they could not fish the pond. The discussion became quite heated! One of the guys fishing threw down his pole and started going after the Glenview person. The fishermen’s buddy tried to stop him, and they got into a fight! The two guys got into their cart and drove across the grass onto the MMP without looking for oncoming traffic. They drove north for a few feet and the guy who was trying to fight said something like he wasn’t going to be told he couldn’t fish there and turned the cart around. Again I guess his buddy made him leave because they turned around again and headed north up the MMP.

A couple of observations and thoughts. I have seen people fishing this pond quite often. Also, if the pond is off limits to fishing, why doesn’t Glenview put up a couple of “No Fishing” signs?

Another interesting day in The Villages.

[Bill14564]

From Recreation & Parks Fishing Guidelines: (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/Recreation/images/FishingGuidelines.pdf)

2. Fishermen may fish in any lake, canal or stream, whether natural or man-made, which can be reached without crossing over or trespassing upon any privately owned property or golf courses.

and

FISHABLE POND
Location: Entrance of Glenview Country Club
Where can you fish: Along road (South) side of ponds
Two ponds on golf course cannot be fished

It looks like the Glenview person was correct. The pond next to the green on the north side of the entrance is one of the two ponds that cannot be fished due to being on the golf course.

It is easy to understand why this could be confusing. While "I've done it before and I've seen others doing it" doesn't change the rules, I hope the Glenview person at least tried to appreciate the possibility of a misunderstanding and approached the individual politely.

[vintageogauge]

There are a lot of crazies out there in our fine world, to PO someone for fishing in a pond isn't worth getting stabbed or shot over. Let them go, they most likely would not have come back. There are so many great fishing lakes very near to TV why someone would want to fish in these little retention ponds is beyond me, it's like fishing in a barrel.

[John_W]

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[Laker14]

Just another form of the free entertainment one may get here in TV.

[JohnN]

In the "questionable" areas, a "No Fishing" sign sure seems like a simple fix.

[thevillages2013]

Hmmm. Did they catch anything? Have a stringer?

[Joanne19335]

In the "questionable" areas, a "No Fishing" sign sure seems like a simple fix.

Do you really think a “No Fishing” sign will stop them? Not a chance. An OUT OF ORDER —DO NOT USE sign on an executive golf course restroom was ignored by numerous golfers. They went in, did their business and left. The Ambassadors are responsible for monitoring the restrooms so I had to “manually” flush the toilet several times during my shift. People can read. They just don’t care. Someone else will take care of it.

[Rwirish]

Because signs don’t need to be posted. Just fish in allowed ponds.

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

Ok - I guess I am old. Spent years in big business - lots of acronyms - but they have an online glossary I can go to —- I figured out what TV is - easy - and finally, figured out what OP is —- but what the heck is MMP and PO?

[DaleDivine]

Since I'm golfer and I knew that you cannot fish on the golf courses or walk, jog or ride a bike on the golf courses is widely known. Once when playing Palmer and I was on Riley #9 the finishing hole, a fellow was fishing near the green and the ambassador chased him away. Other than the fact it's a golf course, it's also part of Lake Sumter and there is no fishing in Lake Sumter either. I guess they'll start giving handouts of the do's and don'ts of TV at closing time.

Villages News May 2016

A 19-year-old was jailed after he was caught fishing at a pond at a golf course in The Villages.

Brett Wayne Hill of Leesburg was arrested Thursday night after he was caught fishing at a lake at the Sarasota Golf Course, according to an arrest report from the Sumter County Sheriff’s Office.

Hill had previously been trespassed from all lakes in The Villages. Hill told the deputy he knew he had been forbidden to fish at lakes in The Villages, but decided to do it anyway.

He was arrested on a charge of trespassing and booked at the Sumter County Detention Center. Bond was set at $1,000.

I played Sarasota yesterday (3/28/21) and there were 3 guys fishing by the first and second holes. Two of them had little kids with them.

[Girlcopper]

From Recreation & Parks Fishing Guidelines: (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/Recreation/images/FishingGuidelines.pdf)

2. Fishermen may fish in any lake, canal or stream, whether natural or man-made, which can be reached without crossing over or trespassing upon any privately owned property or golf courses.

and

FISHABLE POND
Location: Entrance of Glenview Country Club
Where can you fish: Along road (South) side of ponds
Two ponds on golf course cannot be fished

It looks like the Glenview person was correct. The pond next to the green on the north side of the entrance is one of the two ponds that cannot be fished due to being on the golf course.

It is easy to understand why this could be confusing. While "I've done it before and I've seen others doing it" doesn't change the rules, I hope the Glenview person at least tried to appreciate the possibility of a misunderstanding and approached the individual politely.

He probably didnt approach him very nicely and besides, is the world ending because someone is fishing in a no fishing area? Its not where someone launched a boat and brought 15 friends. Find something more important to poke your nose into

[Kevinwitgen@yahoo.com]

A couple weeks ago I was on my way over the bridge on lake Sumpter, and I thought I was seeing things, but there was a motorized pontoon on the lake with what looked like about 4 guys in it, and they were fishing. I saw poles in their hands. Only time I’ve ever seen that.I thought that was not allowed...

[Cobullymom]

Do you really think a “No Fishing” sign will stop them? Not a chance. An OUT OF ORDER —DO NOT USE sign on an executive golf course restroom was ignored by numerous golfers. They went in, did their business and left. The Ambassadors are responsible for monitoring the restrooms so I had to “manually” flush the toilet several times during my shift. People can read. They just don’t care. Someone else will take care of it.
Having to take an emergency dump while out on a golf course, is not quite the same as picking a fishing hole....

[irishwonone]

Since I'm golfer and I knew that you cannot fish on the golf courses or walk, jog or ride a bike on the golf courses is widely known. Once when playing Palmer and I was on Riley #9 the finishing hole, a fellow was fishing near the green and the ambassador chased him away. Other than the fact it's a golf course, it's also part of Lake Sumter and there is no fishing in Lake Sumter either. I guess they'll start giving handouts of the do's and don'ts of TV at closing time.

Villages News May 2016

A 19-year-old was jailed after he was caught fishing at a pond at a golf course in The Villages.

Brett Wayne Hill of Leesburg was arrested Thursday night after he was caught fishing at a lake at the Sarasota Golf Course, according to an arrest report from the Sumter County Sheriff’s Office.

Hill had previously been trespassed from all lakes in The Villages. Hill told the deputy he knew he had been forbidden to fish at lakes in The Villages, but decided to do it anyway.

He was arrested on a charge of trespassing and booked at the Sumter County Detention Center. Bond was set at $1,000.
John, quick question. You allowed have great knowledge and advice. I’m a runner, golfer,and, athlete. I was wondering if I could run on golf courses at end of day when NO golfers were playing any longer or present. Thanks

[J1ceasar]

Next time call the police . See how fast they respond . Or relax , you r retired.

[kpd3062]

Ok - I guess I am old. Spent years in big business - lots of acronyms - but they have an online glossary I can go to —- I figured out what TV is - easy - and finally, figured out what OP is —- but what the heck is MMP and PO?
MMP-multi modal path
PO-**** off

[Neils]

Irishwonon
If no golfers are on the course, who would complain in you were running on the cart path? Only a few would even know you were there.

[dartag1829]

A couple weeks ago I was on my way over the bridge on lake Sumpter, and I thought I was seeing things, but there was a motorized pontoon on the lake with what looked like about 4 guys in it, and they were fishing. I saw poles in their hands. Only time I’ve ever seen that.I thought that was not allowed...

You can book a charter fishing trip on Sumpter. The boat is docked next to the little tour boat. I think it is a 2 hour trip. On my list of things to do.

[stanley]

Irishwonon
If no golfers are on the course, who would complain in you were running on the cart path? Only a few would even know you were there.

That doesn't make it right. No pedestrians on any of the golf courses, period. This has been hashed out before.

[JSR22]

A couple weeks ago I was on my way over the bridge on lake Sumpter, and I thought I was seeing things, but there was a motorized pontoon on the lake with what looked like about 4 guys in it, and they were fishing. I saw poles in their hands. Only time I’ve ever seen that.I thought that was not allowed...

My husband has gone fishing on that boat several times. It is through Villages rec. He went last Friday and the 4 caught 35 fish.

[crash]

I was out for the afternoon cart ride with the dog and we stopped by the pond next to the first green on Glenview’s Tally Ho course. I heard some yelling and someone from Glenview was telling two guys they could not fish the pond. The discussion became quite heated! One of the guys fishing threw down his pole and started going after the Glenview person. The fishermen’s buddy tried to stop him, and they got into a fight! The two guys got into their cart and drove across the grass onto the MMP without looking for oncoming traffic. They drove north for a few feet and the guy who was trying to fight said something like he wasn’t going to be told he couldn’t fish there and turned the cart around. Again I guess his buddy made him leave because they turned around again and headed north up the MMP.

A couple of observations and thoughts. I have seen people fishing this pond quite often. Also, if the pond is off limits to fishing, why doesn’t Glenview put up a couple of “No Fishing” signs?

Another interesting day in The Villages.

You can only fish ponds you can reach by not crossing private properties. Golf courses are private property. The ponds that are accessible from a road can only be fished from that side and not the side where there are houses.

[crash]

You can book a charter fishing trip on Sumpter. The boat is docked next to the little tour boat. I think it is a 2 hour trip. On my list of things to do.

It is $240 and you can have a maximum of 4 people. You will catch fish and is catch and release.

[jswirs]

I was out for the afternoon cart ride with the dog and we stopped by the pond next to the first green on Glenview’s Tally Ho course. I heard some yelling and someone from Glenview was telling two guys they could not fish the pond. The discussion became quite heated! One of the guys fishing threw down his pole and started going after the Glenview person. The fishermen’s buddy tried to stop him, and they got into a fight! The two guys got into their cart and drove across the grass onto the MMP without looking for oncoming traffic. They drove north for a few feet and the guy who was trying to fight said something like he wasn’t going to be told he couldn’t fish there and turned the cart around. Again I guess his buddy made him leave because they turned around again and headed north up the MMP.

A couple of observations and thoughts. I have seen people fishing this pond quite often. Also, if the pond is off limits to fishing, why doesn’t Glenview put up a couple of “No Fishing” signs?

Another interesting day in The Villages.

There are far too many folks acting like police, of some nature, just can't wait to tell others what they can and can not do. So much for "America's Friendliest Hometown".

[vintageogauge]

That doesn't make it right. No pedestrians on any of the golf courses, period. This has been hashed out before.

But of course this does not apply to the elite individuals that feel rules are made only for others, surely it doesn't apply to them.

[richs631]

There are far too many folks acting like police, of some nature, just can't wait to tell others what they can and can not do. So much for "America's Friendliest Hometown".

I agree. People need to relax and enjoy your retirement. I feel sorry for people who feel the need to complain about everything

[vintageogauge]

There are far too many folks acting like police, of some nature, just can't wait to tell others what they can and can not do. So much for "America's Friendliest Hometown".

Who would be considered not friendly, the person not following the rules and regulations or the person letting them know that they are not following the rules and regulations?

[John_W]

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[jimkerr]

These days, it’s so dangerous to confront people. You’re better off letting staff address the issue.

[Bilyclub]

There are far too many folks acting like police, of some nature, just can't wait to tell others what they can and can not do. So much for "America's Friendliest Hometown".

Did you read what you quoted? "I heard some yelling and someone from Glenview was telling two guys they could not fish the pond. The discussion became quite heated! One of the guys fishing threw down his pole and started going after the Glenview person. "

Somebody from Glenview sounds like a worker from the golf course who has every right to shag trespassers off his employers property.

[Petersweeney]

I like the hamburger thread better

[haysus7]

You could have made a video
I would have enjoyed that

[OhioBuckeye]

I was out for the afternoon cart ride with the dog and we stopped by the pond next to the first green on Glenview’s Tally Ho course. I heard some yelling and someone from Glenview was telling two guys they could not fish the pond. The discussion became quite heated! One of the guys fishing threw down his pole and started going after the Glenview person. The fishermen’s buddy tried to stop him, and they got into a fight! The two guys got into their cart and drove across the grass onto the MMP without looking for oncoming traffic. They drove north for a few feet and the guy who was trying to fight said something like he wasn’t going to be told he couldn’t fish there and turned the cart around. Again I guess his buddy made him leave because they turned around again and headed north up the MMP.

A couple of observations and thoughts. I have seen people fishing this pond quite often. Also, if the pond is off limits to fishing, why doesn’t Glenview put up a couple of “No Fishing” signs?

Another interesting day in The Villages.

Why signs, with golf balls flying around who in there right mind would want to fish, besides if they allowed fishing who would be liable if someone got hit with a golf ball on a GOLF COURSE, the person fishing. It’s TV golf course & it’s up to them to allow fishing or not. To me it doesn’t make any sense to put up signs when it’s a golf course not a fishing hole. I don’t fish or play golf. All I’m saying is there’s lots of places to fish instead of making a golf course your private fishing hole!

[Mhollowaygleasom]

MMP= Multimodal Path
PO= Your guess is as good as mine, lol.

[Roron123]

All lakes can be fished in except any ponds “on the golf course”

[stanley]

All lakes can be fished in except any ponds “on the golf course”

It's really not that hard to find the correct info

• Fishermen may fish in
any lake, canal or stream,
whether natural or manmade, which can be reached
without crossing over
or trespassing upon any
privately owned property or
golf courses.

https://www.districtgov.org/departments/Recreation/images/FishingMapAndInfo.pdf

This link should be bookmarked by everyone, residents and the "other" people. It sure would answer a lot of questions before arguing here on TOTV

Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/)

[rmd2]

[QUOTE=Mleeja;1922227]
A couple of observations and thoughts. I have seen people fishing this pond quite often. Also, if the pond is off limits to fishing, why doesn’t Glenview put up a couple of “No Fishing” signs?

Oh yeah, Great Idea! We should put up a couple of No Fishing sign at that tiny pond. Then we would need to put up No Fishing signs at every retention pond in The Villages. Or several at each pond to make sure it can be seen by everyone. If some pool of water didn't have a sign then the fishermen could say "There is no sign that says you can't fish". That's all we would need - ugly signs everywhere!

[larbud]

There are a lot of crazies out there in our fine world, to PO someone for fishing in a pond isn't worth getting stabbed or shot over. Let them go, they most likely would not have come back. There are so many great fishing lakes very near to TV why someone would want to fish in these little retention ponds is beyond me, it's like fishing in a barrel.
Well gee,There you have it..

[butlerperkins@gmail.com]

2021 0329 Monday @ 12:46
Pray tell, why would anyone want to fish in a pond that assuredly receives runoff from the golf course greens? The fertilizers, the pesticides, etc. surely would be enough of a deterrent.

[Pairadocs]

From Recreation & Parks Fishing Guidelines: (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/Recreation/images/FishingGuidelines.pdf)

2. Fishermen may fish in any lake, canal or stream, whether natural or man-made, which can be reached without crossing over or trespassing upon any privately owned property or golf courses.

and

FISHABLE POND
Location: Entrance of Glenview Country Club
Where can you fish: Along road (South) side of ponds
Two ponds on golf course cannot be fished

It looks like the Glenview person was correct. The pond next to the green on the north side of the entrance is one of the two ponds that cannot be fished due to being on the golf course.

It is easy to understand why this could be confusing. While "I've done it before and I've seen others doing it" doesn't change the rules, I hope the Glenview person at least tried to appreciate the possibility of a misunderstanding and approached the individual politely.

Seem to me EVERYONE involved in this could have handled it differently ! To quote Louisiana senator John Kennedy: "our nation has plenty of youth, what we NEED is a fountain of SMART" ! Glenview employee was probably doing what he/she was told to do and did not want to appear to not follow orders. The men fishing were probably older (?) than the employee, but obviously of the mind set so many here have: I have SEEN others doing it, therefore I will too ! Too bad, like so many confrontations I've seen in restaurants, at the pools, at the dog parks, at events and festivals.... 99% or more could easily be avoided with a "fountain of sense". This incident in one of those. A "no fishing" sign would be a BIG step toward prevention, but some will continue to argue of course. Personally, I have seen so many grandparents (I assume they are the grandparents) overseeing the children fishing there over the years I could not even estimate the large numbers. People are really on edge. Just this past weekend a relative who lives in the Hot Springs Villages (Arkansas) was sitting quietly in one of the dog parks when an argument broke out over the size of the dog of one individual and IF it met the qualification to be on the "small dog" side (no SCALE there for residents to weigh their pets to make sure they are under 40#). It got heated, very heated, and one pulled a GUN on the other ! No shooting but, enough to make my relative "re-think" about the dog park being some distance from the nearest police and how quickly things you never expect can develop !

[Pairadocs]

There are a lot of crazies out there in our fine world, to PO someone for fishing in a pond isn't worth getting stabbed or shot over. Let them go, they most likely would not have come back. There are so many great fishing lakes very near to TV why someone would want to fish in these little retention ponds is beyond me, it's like fishing in a barrel.

What wise wise words in an ever more dangerous world. Just posted an incident this past weekend about a relative who lives in the Villages of Hot Springs, just sitting in the dog park and a person had a GUN pulled on them in an argument over if a dog was a pound or two over, or under, the weight specified for the "small dog" side of the park. My relative didn't know if she should run, get under the bench (not much cover, but a flight thought), or just sit there and possibly get shot with stray bullets. Thankfully, the gun was only used to "intimidate", no shot was fired, but really.... people are crazy and everywhere, even in retirement resort communities like hers in Arkansas and ours in Florida.

[kathyspear]

It is $240 and you can have a maximum of 4 people. You will catch fish and is catch and release.

I don't see the point of spending hours to catch fish that you have to throw back. What am I missing?

kathy

[DaleDivine]

There are far too many folks acting like police, of some nature, just can't wait to tell others what they can and can not do. So much for "America's Friendliest Hometown".

Sometimes it's not trying to tell them what they can't do.
It's just trying to keep them from getting into trouble.
:ohdear::ohdear:

[jswirs]

Sometimes it's not trying to tell them what they can't do.
It's just trying to keep them from getting into trouble.
:ohdear::ohdear:

If that were the case those "police types" would be kind, diplomatic and use the proper tone of voice, or "inflection". NOT what I have seen and heard. I believe what is happening here is "What comes round goes round", meaning, they, themselves have been rudely corrected for some sort of minor error. All said IMHO.

[Tmcbryan]

Country Club Courses are private property. No access unless playing paid for golf.
Executive courses belong to the District, access is allowed. On the other hand walking running biking on those course can only be done when golfers are not out there, not very common except after full darkness.

[Bilyclub]

Country Club Courses are private property. No access unless playing paid for golf.
Executive courses belong to the District, access is allowed. On the other hand walking running biking on those course can only be done when golfers are not out there, not very common except after full darkness.

You must have missed the threads from people who live next to executive golf courses about non golfers on the courses after hours. There might be people out there , but they are trespassing too, or so I'm told.

[eremite06]

It's called a sport. You catch a ball and throw it back too.

[JimJohnson]

Boom! We love it here. Thank you Villages Developers.

[Topspinmo]

He probably didnt approach him very nicely and besides, is the world ending because someone is fishing in a no fishing area? Its not where someone launched a boat and brought 15 friends. Find something more important to poke your nose into


Agree, I see crap against rules about everyday. I’m in no position of legal authority and not worth arguing over or risk fist fight. Let people of authority uphold rules.

[Topspinmo]

Why signs, with golf balls flying around who in there right mind would want to fish, besides if they allowed fishing who would be liable if someone got hit with a golf ball on a GOLF COURSE, the person fishing. It’s TV golf course & it’s up to them to allow fishing or not. To me it doesn’t make any sense to put up signs when it’s a golf course not a fishing hole. I don’t fish or play golf. All I’m saying is there’s lots of places to fish instead of making a golf course your private fishing hole!

Well, it wouldn’t be the golfer’s

[Topspinmo]

2021 0329 Monday @ 12:46
Pray tell, why would anyone want to fish in a pond that assuredly receives runoff from the golf course greens? The fertilizers, the pesticides, etc. surely would be enough of a deterrent.

Majority fish for the sport and don’t keep the fish to eat, especially retention pond and on golf courses. It’s called catch and release which in rule in ALL villages water retention ponds.

[stanley]

Country Club Courses are private property. No access unless playing paid for golf.
Executive courses belong to the District, access is allowed. On the other hand walking running biking on those course can only be done when golfers are not out there, not very common except after full darkness.

You are so, so wrong about the Exec's

[Pairadocs]

Just another form of the free entertainment one may get here in TV.

My favorites are the work crews (mostly landscape, mowers) who use the restrooms at the neighborhood pools to WASH themselves, including their FEET (have some pix of 3 in rest room at same time as they come our barefoot carrying their BOOTS ! Also saw group jump from back of a pickup and do same thing at pool across from Arnold Palmer restaurant. Often swim in Ashland neighborhood pool after dinner and before it closes, often no one else there. Back a few months, last fall, woman comes into pool area with work scrubs on. Didn't come in golf cart, came in fairly old model of Toyota. Went into restroom, removed scrubs, put on swim suit, and walked to shower. I was thinking WOW, someone actually is courteous enough to SHOWER before using our community pools as bath tubs, good for her, seldom see that ! But no, she got out body wash and shampoo and proceeded to take an entire body shower AND wash her hair.... soap running off all over..... as some on here always say, "trying to understand some people is like trying to smell a color or a number !" Homeless ? Living in that car ? Doubt it, the scrubs and name tag (didn't get a look, I was swimming laps since pool was empty) made it obvious she had a job. Maybe it saves on water bill to just use Villages facilities like the workers I see doing same thing quite often really.

[stanley]

My favorites are the work crews (mostly landscape, mowers) who use the restrooms at the neighborhood pools to WASH themselves, including their FEET (have some pix of 3 in rest room at same time as they come our barefoot carrying their BOOTS ! Also saw group jump from back of a pickup and do same thing at pool across from Arnold Palmer restaurant..

There is no pool at Palmer

[MaxCat]

My favorites are the work crews (mostly landscape, mowers) who use the restrooms at the neighborhood pools to WASH themselves, including their FEET (have some pix of 3 in rest room at same time as they come our barefoot carrying their BOOTS ! Also saw group jump from back of a pickup and do same thing at pool across from Arnold Palmer restaurant. Often swim in Ashland neighborhood pool after dinner and before it closes, often no one else there. Back a few months, last fall, woman comes into pool area with work scrubs on. Didn't come in golf cart, came in fairly old model of Toyota. Went into restroom, removed scrubs, put on swim suit, and walked to shower. I was thinking WOW, someone actually is courteous enough to SHOWER before using our community pools as bath tubs, good for her, seldom see that ! But no, she got out body wash and shampoo and proceeded to take an entire body shower AND wash her hair.... soap running off all over..... as some on here always say, "trying to understand some people is like trying to smell a color or a number !" Homeless ? Living in that car ? Doubt it, the scrubs and name tag (didn't get a look, I was swimming laps since pool was empty) made it obvious she had a job. Maybe it saves on water bill to just use Villages facilities like the workers I see doing same thing quite often really.

I don't understand the need to be so judgmental. And the various references to things that supposedly deem others as "undesirable" -- i.e. came in a fairly late model Toyota -- oh, the horror of that (sarcasm) -- So what if a landscape worker uses the restroom, so what if they want to wash their feet, so what if they want to put on a bathing suit and wash off under a shower -- maybe it is as simple as wanting to get the things they come in contact with while doing landscaping work off their skin as soon as possible so it doesn't irritate -- why is an assumption of homelessness and too cheap to pay for their water bill come to mind first? They are people and they are keeping our community beautiful -- humans sometimes need to use a restroom. Geez. Give them a break.

[Joe V.]

I don't understand the need to be so judgmental. And the various references to things that supposedly deem others as "undesirable" -- i.e. came in a fairly late model Toyota -- oh, the horror of that (sarcasm) -- So what if a landscape worker uses the restroom, so what if they want to wash their feet, so what if they want to put on a bathing suit and wash off under a shower -- maybe it is as simple as wanting to get the things they come in contact with while doing landscaping work off their skin as soon as possible so it doesn't irritate -- why is an assumption of homelessness and too cheap to pay for their water bill come to mind first? They are people and they are keeping our community beautiful -- humans sometimes need to use a restroom. Geez. Give them a break.

Well, they are neither residents or guests. So I suppose rules never apply, to anything.

[Bilyclub]

Washing your feet in a sink meant for hands is indeed gross and crosses the line.

[RICH1]

Bottom line, no one really knows the Rules!

[Topspinmo]

I don't see the point of spending hours to catch fish that you have to throw back. What am I missing?

kathy

Sport

[Mosells]

My guess is no.