Electric carts charging stations

[cemlopez]

With the tremendous growth of The Villages and the long distances from the different amenities, I think it is about time that electric charging stations be installed at strategic locations. (a good example is the softball fields at Everglades, if you live around CR466 or North of it, it is impossible to make the round trip with out running out of power).
Just something to think about.

[jebartle]

Behind Outback in SS.

[kathyspear]

Behind Outback in SS.

Are you saying there are charging stations for electric carts in that area? Thx.

kathy

[njbchbum]

With the tremendous growth of The Villages and the long distances from the different amenities, I think it is about time that electric charging stations be installed at strategic locations. (a good example is the softball fields at Everglades, if you live around CR466 or North of it, it is impossible to make the round trip with out running out of power).
Just something to think about.

Who do you expect will pay for the chargers, their installation and maintenance and for the amount of power that is supplied?

[CWGUY]

Behind Outback in SS.

:icon_wink: Do you mean the Outback in Rolling Acres Plaza?

[Fredman]

With the tremendous growth of The Villages and the long distances from the different amenities, I think it is about time that electric charging stations be installed at strategic locations. (a good example is the softball fields at Everglades, if you live around CR466 or North of it, it is impossible to make the round trip with out running out of power).
Just something to think about.

Buy gas then there is no problem

[dewilson58]

With the tremendous growth of The Villages and the long distances from the different amenities, I think it is about time that electric "carts should not be sold" .
:popcorn:

[villagetinker]

I am guessing a deal could be worked out with the local power company for the installation, and then the power would have to be supplied with additional cost to cover the installation and maintenance. These would be credit card activated, and would automatically turn off when disconnected. So the next question would be are people willing to pay a premium for these charging stations. This should be a interesting discussion.

[Jima64]

If you were to measure the amount of electricity to charge your cart it isn't that much. Of course the initial cost of stations would be but the Villages can afford this, you would think and hav a system to pay for charging. I would use this facility for the convenience.

[Regor]

With carts not having FAST charging systems, it could take hours to charge them. Also some carts take charges at different voltages. If it was just a normal 120 outlet, you would have to bring your charger with.

[Velvet]

Have a battery station where you exchange the battery. You pay only for the charge in a fully charged battery. You swap out the batteries, a lithium battery is not that heavy. Like a vending machine for batteries. Swapping stations are already in practice in Taiwan for scooters (Yamaha).

[Bogie Shooter]

I cannot understand why The Villages should have to provide.......even if they could afford it.

[n8xwb]

Sounds like a silly idea to me! Most carts use standard lead/acid automotive type batteries. To my knowledge, there is no fast, supercharger application similar to what tesla offers for this type of application!

[Joe V.]

If you were to measure the amount of electricity to charge your cart it isn't that much. Of course the initial cost of stations would be but the Villages can afford this, you would think and hav a system to pay for charging. I would use this facility for the convenience.

The Villages can afford this. You were being sarcastic, right? And who is "The Villages."

[DeanFL]

Who do you expect will pay for the chargers, their installation and maintenance and for the amount of power that is supplied?

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simple. The Federal Government - because with the "Infrastructure Bill" being discussed, why not include some $$$ for TV Electric Cart chargers?

President Joe Biden is prioritizing a national EV charging network under his $2 trillion infrastructure bill, promising to have at least 500,000 of the devices installed across the U.S. by 2030. Estimates are $50Billion.
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[Bjeanj]

If you were to measure the amount of electricity to charge your cart it isn't that much. Of course the initial cost of stations would be but the Villages can afford this, you would think and hav a system to pay for charging. I would use this facility for the convenience.

That sounds a bit fast and easy with someone else’s money. So many questions related to this issue.
Who is “The Villages”
Is there a CDD that would want to front the cost.
Ratio of electric carts to gas carts.
How long does it take to charge a cart.
How many chargers in one location.
Etc etc

[njbchbum]

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simple. The Federal Government - because with the "Infrastructure Bill" being discussed, why not include some $$$ for TV Electric Cart chargers?

President Joe Biden is prioritizing a national EV charging network under his $2 trillion infrastructure bill, promising to have at least 500,000 of the devices installed across the U.S. by 2030. Estimates are $50Billion.
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Love your sense of humor! Do you think the OP wants to wait until 2030? lol

[Mortal1]

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simple. The Federal Government - because with the "Infrastructure Bill" being discussed, why not include some $$$ for TV Electric Cart chargers?

President Joe Biden is prioritizing a national EV charging network under his $2 trillion infrastructure bill, promising to have at least 500,000 of the devices installed across the U.S. by 2030. Estimates are $50Billion.
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are paying for this bill for many years to come and I personally don't wish my hard earned cash to pay for someone else's charging station. If you need a charging station then add a surcharge to those using electric vehicles to pay for it.

[JoMar]

are paying for this bill for many years to come and I personally don't wish my hard earned cash to pay for someone else's charging station. If you need a charging station then add a surcharge to those using electric vehicles to pay for it.

Considering the major auto manufacturers are eliminating gas vehicles from their lines and moving to electric and autonomous driving vehicles I suspect there will be surcharges on fuel to make up the lost tax revenue.

Also, Fenney to SS and back is about 40 miles, what kind of electric cart are you driving that can't handle that distance? And how many of those trips do you intend to make?

[Joe V.]

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simple. The Federal Government - because with the "Infrastructure Bill" being discussed, why not include some $$$ for TV Electric Cart chargers?

President Joe Biden is prioritizing a national EV charging network under his $2 trillion infrastructure bill, promising to have at least 500,000 of the devices installed across the U.S. by 2030. Estimates are $50Billion.
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The federal government are taxpayers. My, we are just made of printed money borrowed to pay off debit, which itself was borrowed to pay off debt, ad so on and on.

[Garywt]

In general it takes 8+ hours to charge so overnight works best. If you charge only 2 hours at a time the batteries will lose a lot of the storage power and you will not be able to go far.

[tuccillo]

About half the states charge fees for electric vehicles to make up the lost gasoline tax revenue because they aren't buying gasoline anymore.

Considering the major auto manufacturers are eliminating gas vehicles from their lines and moving to electric and autonomous driving vehicles I suspect there will be surcharges on fuel to make up the lost tax revenue.

Also, Fenney to SS and back is about 40 miles, what kind of electric cart are you driving that can't handle that distance? And how many of those trips do you intend to make?

[Homer49]

With the tremendous growth of The Villages and the long distances from the different amenities, I think it is about time that electric charging stations be installed at strategic locations. (a good example is the softball fields at Everglades, if you live around CR466 or North of it, it is impossible to make the round trip with out running out of power).
Just something to think about.

Not true for all electric carts. I’m surprised by how many folks in TV are unaware of the improvements in electric carts that have come from use of lithium battery technology. We recently made a 31-mile round trip from our home in Marsh Bend (near Everglades) to Spanish Springs and used a little less than 50% of our battery capacity. 30-minutes of charging will provide an hour of run time, and there’s no battery maintenance or battery fade (and they have an 8-yr warranty). Only downside is initial expense.

[chet2020]

Considering the major auto manufacturers are eliminating gas vehicles from their lines and moving to electric and autonomous driving vehicles I suspect there will be surcharges on fuel to make up the lost tax revenue.

Also, Fenney to SS and back is about 40 miles, what kind of electric cart are you driving that can't handle that distance? And how many of those trips do you intend to make?

Automakers are moving to electric cars because they are cheaper to operate. It's cheaper to drive X miles with a battery than the same distance with gasoline ($10-$15K cheaper over 15 years). Also, fewer moving parts with a battery. Electric engines are inevitable, whether you believe in climate change or not, and they are going to power lawn mowers and everything else.

Anyway, back to the OP, I believe part of his point was that if TV is going to continue to expand and profit, they ought to provide charging stations. TV is expanding right now well south of Fenney. However, new electric carts are claiming 100 mile ranges, so the range will become less of an issue over time.

[Markers333]

You’re wrong there, my cart is Lithium goes a good 60 miles and has an on board charger, takes 2 hrs for almost full charge

[thevillages2013]

What about those solar panels that came out a few years back that mounted on the roof of the golf cart. If they actually work ( and it’s a sunny day) your cart can be charging while you are playing softball, shopping ,etc...

[Uphillputt330]

First of all I think the electric golf cart manufacturers should standardize on a voltage and FAST charge system. It’s in their best interest. Perhaps reaching out to whatever trade association exists for these manufacturers?

Second the Districts could Bid out to private companies to install chargers in strategic locations where the private companies could charge to recoup their costs of the chargers and electric. Districts would have to control the prices charged for by the private companies to make this work.

Getting this to work is in everyone’s best interest.

[pattycakes60]

:eek:With the tremendous growth of The Villages and the long distances from the different amenities, I think it is about time that electric charging stations be installed at strategic locations. (a good example is the softball fields at Everglades, if you live around CR466 or North of it, it is impossible to make the round trip with out running out of power).
Just something to think about.

Just buy a portable charger and take with you, that would solve your problem, our fees do not need to go up anymore to support something else.

[dewilson58]

:eek:

Just buy a portable charger and take with you, that would solve your problem, our fees do not need to go up anymore to support something else.

& then steal electricity from???.............

[Flflyer]

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simple. The Federal Government - because with the "Infrastructure Bill" being discussed, why not include some $$$ for TV Electric Cart chargers?

President Joe Biden is prioritizing a national EV charging network under his $2 trillion infrastructure bill, promising to have at least 500,000 of the devices installed across the U.S. by 2030. Estimates are $50Billion.
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If you are running Lithium batteries it should not be a problem if they are sized right.

[Flflyer]

Not true for all electric carts. I’m surprised by how many folks in TV are unaware of the improvements in electric carts that have come from use of lithium battery technology. We recently made a 31-mile round trip from our home in Marsh Bend (near Everglades) to Spanish Springs and used a little less than 50% of our battery capacity. 30-minutes of charging will provide an hour of run time, and there’s no battery maintenance or battery fade (and they have an 8-yr warranty). Only downside is initial expense.


Do your research and you will find that lithium batteries can be bought for at or near the same price as a good quality gel, agm or flooded batteries.

[Sandy and Ed]

And who says that the charge would be free?? It would be a revenue stream for whomever installed the charging station

[noslices1]

With the tremendous growth of The Villages and the long distances from the different amenities, I think it is about time that electric charging stations be installed at strategic locations. (a good example is the softball fields at Everglades, if you live around CR466 or North of it, it is impossible to make the round trip with out running out of power).
Just something to think about.

The easy answer is to get a gas cart.

[Aviator1211]

My relion lithium batteries charge fast and come with their own small lightweight charger that can be mounted in the cart. All that is needed is a 120V outlet. And the cost of electricity is trivial (about one-tenth the cost of gas). And if I want more range someday, I just add another battery.

Clean, quiet, efficient. What more could one ask for?

[jimkerr]

Electric carts are terrible. Gas is the best way to go. They get great gas mileage too!

[SeaCros]

Not sure it will ever happen. I think there are more gas carts in TV than electric. Maybe someone can contact Elon to see if hes making a Tesla golf cart. ;-). That may be the only way to see charging stations

[Bill1701]

I'm sure they will look into this right after they start the free trolley service.

[pablo cruze]

1, DC fast chargers won't help lead acid charging and aren't necessary for the small li-ion batteries in carts. They can charge almost to full capacity in a short time with a standard 110 outlet using the on board charger. This is the smartest configuration for a village cart.

2. If there were available 110 outlets at in the parking lots near the restaurants or squares, it would benefit the lead battery carts if the drivers brought their own charger. But more so will be forward thinking for those cart owners who are also forward thinking by going with li-ion.

3. The cost of kw is low. The benefit to the villages would be less noise, less dirty exhaust from smelly gas carts, maybe less automobile traffic.

4. Perhaps an app or credit card system could be installed if the villages developer is hurting for revenue. Business owners may set up a "validation ticket" type system to provide a few watt-hrs to customers.

5. The most forward thinking idea would be to provide level 2 charging for electric vehicles, such as the Mustang Mach-e.
These chargers provide 30 miles of range per hr on the plug.

Sorry that I haven't thrown in any opinions - only facts and ideas.

[pablo cruze]

Not true for all electric carts. I’m surprised by how many folks in TV are unaware of the improvements in electric carts that have come from use of lithium battery technology. We recently made a 31-mile round trip from our home in Marsh Bend (near Everglades) to Spanish Springs and used a little less than 50% of our battery capacity. 30-minutes of charging will provide an hour of run time, and there’s no battery maintenance or battery fade (and they have an 8-yr warranty). Only downside is initial expense.

Li ion conversion from lead will shave off 200 to 250 lbs.

[Windguy]

Buy gas then there is no problem

Well, except for the noise and pollution. The fumes in the tunnels are terrible.

[pablo cruze]

Electric carts are terrible. Gas is the best way to go. They get great gas mileage too!

No. No. No.

[Larchap49]

With the tremendous growth of The Villages and the long distances from the different amenities, I think it is about time that electric charging stations be installed at strategic locations. (a good example is the softball fields at Everglades, if you live around CR466 or North of it, it is impossible to make the round trip with out running out of power).
Just something to think about.

If your cart won't make that trip without recharging then you should replace the batteries because the range of good batteries is much farther than that

[DavidStockhausen]

Buy a Star Sirius, 50-60 miles per charge, problem solved.

[TandHSTAR@AOL.com]

Have a battery station where you exchange the battery. You pay only for the charge in a fully charged battery. You swap out the batteries, a lithium battery is not that heavy. Like a vending machine for batteries. Swapping stations are already in practice in Taiwan for scooters (Yamaha).

swap out batteries? I don't know about your electric golf cart mine had 8 batteries. not sure that would work. Scooters only take maybe one or two batteries.

[stanley]

:eek:

Just buy a portable charger and take with you, that would solve your problem, our fees do not need to go up anymore to support something else.




& then steal electricity from???.............

.........the postal stations of course............where have you been? :icon_wink:

[richs631]

With the tremendous growth of The Villages and the long distances from the different amenities, I think it is about time that electric charging stations be installed at strategic locations. (a good example is the softball fields at Everglades, if you live around CR466 or North of it, it is impossible to make the round trip with out running out of power).
Just something to think about.

Truth be said, if any electric car can’t make the round trip from north of 466 to Everglades softball field then electric cars are doomed in the US

[Smith811]

The Villages should not have to pay for charging stations because you won’t buy a gas cart and want to drive a long distance.
How do you buy an automobile? I buy the one that meets my requirements. I buy my golf cart the same way.

[J1ceasar]

That's probably the funniest suggestion yet. It's always the government. Who do you think gives the government all that money? It's you and me silly

[Lindaws]

Don’t buy elecreic

[Joe C.]

There are always people who want "something for nothing".
They want to have their cart charged for free. How about filling up my gasoline golf cart while I'm parked?
Electric golf carts aren't pollution free. Instead of spouting pollutants out their tail pipe, they spout it out at the powerplant's system.

[Mulliganguy]

I have lead acid batteries and from Hillsborough to Red/Gray Fox was 11 miles. Came back via the chitty chatty bridge and home from there was around 33 miles and no problem. Had plenty of charge left.

[mydavid]

With the tremendous growth of The Villages and the long distances from the different amenities, I think it is about time that electric charging stations be installed at strategic locations. (a good example is the softball fields at Everglades, if you live around CR466 or North of it, it is impossible to make the round trip with out running out of power).
Just something to think about. I don't see it, people siting in their golf carts a few hours why it charges enough so you can get home.

[Rodneysblue]

If you were to measure the amount of electricity to charge your cart it isn't that much. Of course the initial cost of stations would be but the Villages can afford this, you would think and hav a system to pay for charging. I would use this facility for the convenience.

So with this thinking they should provide free gas for our golf cars.

[Astron]

Sorry that I haven't thrown in any opinions - only facts and ideas.

I am stunned! I have only been on Talk of the Villages for only a few months, but was unaware that a comment containing only purely factual evidence would be an acceptable post! Based on the threads I have read, I thought posts and comments had to be only opinion based! I surmised that facts, especially ones that disproved anyone’s opinions, were discouraged and should used with great restraint!
Facts!? Wow, this could change everything!
😉😇

[beeneyra]

That's a great idea. I think 10 dollars each 30 minutes is a fair price. We need to come up with an adapter we can purchase so it can work with all brands of carts. Maybe a selector switch to chose the correct voltage. My cart is 36volts where some are 48volts and even higher. Be nice to be able to top off the batteries with water after charging as well. I don't like the acid getting on my garage floor.

[Waltdisney4life]

Love the idea you should have to use your credit card to be charged one dollar per minute now charging this way the person who uses it should pay for it

[merrymini]

The villages missed the boat not putting in chargers for electric carts. I keep my cart fully charged and can go any where with my batteries. The gas carts stink, no matter what anyone says. Just go through a tunnel and you can barely catch your breath for the fumes. They are terrible polluters too. There are no emission checks on golf carts unlike cars. I will pay for my electric and you can pay for your gas, thank you.

[rwfisher1969]

Charging stations could be just like Tesla's charging stations. They are set up with credit card readers. You pay for the power that you charge to your batteries.

[DeanFL]

Well, except for the noise and pollution. The fumes in the tunnels are terrible.

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we NEVER seem to hear about this issue from 'environmentalists'. The co2 pollution from small gasoline engines is awful - case in point our tunnels. There is NO pollution controls on these engines - gas carts, lawn equipment etc etc.

We are not necessarily 'Green' but do have an elec cart and I do my own lawn with batt/elec mower & equipment. We made these decisions because 1) we didn't like the noise/jerkiness/smell of gas carts when moving to TV 7 years ago. 2) batt lawn equip is so easy to use and quiet.

I would consider an EV auto, but our ICE MB has low mileage and we love it.

This all said, if our Tomberlin batt/elec cart croaked and we need a replacement - I would be tempted to go with latest quiet gas cart - but would still put a Lithium batt cart up first...
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[jmaccallum]

With the tremendous growth of The Villages and the long distances from the different amenities, I think it is about time that electric charging stations be installed at strategic locations. (a good example is the softball fields at Everglades, if you live around CR466 or North of it, it is impossible to make the round trip with out running out of power).
Just something to think about.

I’m not sure about charging stations, either, because of the time it takes to charge a cart. Overnight is best.

I think a lot of people are afraid of electric carts (oh my gosh, what if I run out of juice, I’m stranded!) Newer electric carts are drastically improved.

I have a 72 volt EZGO with lead acid batteries (lithium came out just after I bought it). I can go from SS to Brownwood 3 times easy in one day, and still be above 1/4 charge when done. My cart is faster than most gas carts. (though I don’t speed). My cart doesn’t slow down on the SS bridge like most gas carts (torque is amazing). My cart is quiet (doesn’t sound like a lawn mower) And my cart doesn’t stink (just go through any tunnel if you think gas carts don’t). I pay 2 cents a mile vs. 6 cents for a gas cart. And I charge my cart overnight about every 2 or 3 days. My batteries are now almost 4 years old performing as they did new, and I check water every other month. IMHO the newer electric carts are better. And I’m glad to see the cart shops offering more and more versions. Try one out, I think you’d really be surprised.

[Sherry8bal]

You should buy a gas golf cart instead. I love it when these companies make statements like "you can go 60 miles on a charge". Actually NO YOU CAN'T. You can only go 30 miles IF you want to get back home. 30 miles in The Villages any more is nothing.

Buy a gas golf cart and you can go anywhere!! They are cheaper to run in the long term because you don't have to keep replacing all those batteries!

[DAVES]

Have a battery station where you exchange the battery. You pay only for the charge in a fully charged battery. You swap out the batteries, a lithium battery is not that heavy. Like a vending machine for batteries. Swapping stations are already in practice in Taiwan for scooters (Yamaha).

I have a very old book. about 1910 or so, trying to sell people on the use of electric trucks for deliveries in cities. They had exactly that idea used in some of those ancient trucks. The batteries would be mounted on a removable rack. You would disconnect the rack and replace it with a charged one. So much old stuff is new again.

[Curtisbwp]

I had an electric cart for to years. Now i own a yamaha gas cart and i love it. Problem solved.

[Joe V.]

I have a very old book. about 1910 or so, trying to sell people on the use of electric trucks for deliveries in cities. They had exactly that idea used in some of those ancient trucks. The batteries would be mounted on a removable rack. You would disconnect the rack and replace it with a charged one. So much old stuff is new again.

And how long did that exercise in futility last? Not a whole lot of demand I suspect.

[stanley]

I have a very old book. about 1910 or so, trying to sell people on the use of electric trucks for deliveries in cities. They had exactly that idea used in some of those ancient trucks. The batteries would be mounted on a removable rack. You would disconnect the rack and replace it with a charged one. So much old stuff is new again.

And how long did that exercise in futility last? Not a whole lot of demand I suspect.

Read "Internal Combustion" by Edwin Black

[stanley]

I will pay for my electric and you can pay for your gas, thank you.

You're welcome

[stebooo]

I think it's time people think through there purchase of gas vs electric. This is the problem with electric. It's not my or the developer to put in charging station. It's your responsibility to make sure you are charged up at HOME.

[Joe V.]

Read "Internal Combustion" by Edwin Black

I actually tried, a year or so ago when trapped by the Covid panic. Way to much conspiracy theory for me. Suspected sourcing also.

[stanley]

I actually tried, a year or so ago when trapped by the Covid panic. Way to much conspiracy theory for me. Suspected sourcing also.

Interesting nonetheless I think

[Bilyclub]

My totally unscientific perusing of posts on TOTV by electric cart owners shows they tend to be zealots intent on forcing their ways on the majority of cart owners who happen to have gas carts. :blahblahblah::boom:

[mrf6969]

With the tremendous growth of The Villages and the long distances from the different amenities, I think it is about time that electric charging stations be installed at strategic locations. (a good example is the softball fields at Everglades, if you live around CR466 or North of it, it is impossible to make the round trip with out running out of power).
Just something to think about.
On a full overnight charge with 6 or 8 batteries you can get a good 35-50 miles. Why worry?

[mrf6969]

The villages missed the boat not putting in chargers for electric carts. I keep my cart fully charged and can go any where with my batteries. The gas carts stink, no matter what anyone says. Just go through a tunnel and you can barely catch your breath for the fumes. They are terrible polluters too. There are no emission checks on golf carts unlike cars. I will pay for my electric and you can pay for your gas, thank you.
No, thank you! I will run my Yamaha Fuel Injected Quite Tech with piece of mind all over The Villages several times on ONE tank of gas, thank you....

[TNLAKEPANDA]

I sure hope that they will be pay fast charge stations... not free because nothing is actually FREE!

[wisbad1]

If you were to measure the amount of electricity to charge your cart it isn't that much. Of course the initial cost of stations would be but the Villages can afford this, you would think and hav a system to pay for charging. I would use this facility for the convenience.
You can pay for it when you use it, simple.

[wisbad1]

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simple. The Federal Government - because with the "Infrastructure Bill" being discussed, why not include some $$$ for TV Electric Cart chargers?

President Joe Biden is prioritizing a national EV charging network under his $2 trillion infrastructure bill, promising to have at least 500,000 of the devices installed across the U.S. by 2030. Estimates are $50Billion.
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Hahah!

[curtmcgee]

Why should we pay for your energy. You're not paying for my gas.

[nevjudbaker]

I think the charging stations are a great idea.



With the tremendous growth of The Villages and the long distances from the different amenities, I think it is about time that electric charging stations be installed at strategic locations. (a good example is the softball fields at Everglades, if you live around CR466 or North of it, it is impossible to make the round trip with out running out of power).
Just something to think about.

[dewilson58]

On a full overnight charge with 6 or 8 batteries you can get a good 35-50 miles. Why worry?

That's the issue.............is it 35 miles, or is it 50 miles, or only 28 today. That's the worry. :MOJE_whot:

[Bjeanj]

I don't see it, people siting in their golf carts a few hours why it charges enough so you can get home.

You’re not wrong. What am I going to do for xx period of time while my electric cart charges?

I use my electric cart for local trips and golfing, and if I’m going to go a certain distance, I’ll take our gas cart.

And if it’s raining or cold, I take my car.

[Velvet]

What about taking extra charged batteries with you? To extend the range or as back up.

[stanley]

I don't see it, people siting in their golf carts a few hours why it charges enough so you can get home.

Have a TiKi bar with entertainment at these "charging stations":coolsmiley::coolsmiley:

[CWGUY]

What about taking extra charged batteries with you? To extend the range or as back up.

:ohdear: You do know an 8 volt Trojan Battery weights more than 60 lbs. and a 48 volt cart takes 6 of them..... right? Do the math. :icon_wink:

[dadspet]

My Electric cart can get me as far as I want to go without any problem. I have no need or wouldn't want to spend the time recharging at some public charge station. When I get my next electric cart it will be lithium like more and more autos will be. But if you want for some reason to go from the north end to the south end by golf cart (not a clue why you would want to do that but what ever ) - think about a getting a gas cart they will become a real bargain as they start depreciating more as more Villagers see the light (no noise or smell, smooth and go as far as 90% of the Villagers want to go) and convert to Electric cart and sell their gas carts. Hopefully they will still be selling gas in the near future!:pray:
Oh did I mention I have no bias or preconceived ideas so everything I pontificate can be taken as gospel !

[BiPartisan]

Why don't they also put in free gas stations as well? They(?) can afford it.

With the tremendous growth of The Villages and the long distances from the different amenities, I think it is about time that electric charging stations be installed at strategic locations. (a good example is the softball fields at Everglades, if you live around CR466 or North of it, it is impossible to make the round trip with out running out of power).
Just something to think about.

[Bilyclub]

I'm just wandering if you go faster than the legal speed limit how much more does that drain your batteries? I'm used to seeing Teslas doing the speed limit or less on the interstates that aren't in metropolitan areas.

[tuccillo]

The power required to overcome air resistance goes as the cube of the velocity. Small increases in speed can result in a large increase in the amount of power needed. The difference between going 60 mph and 70 mph is about 1.6x.

I'm just wandering if you go faster than the legal speed limit how much more does that drain your batteries? I'm used to seeing Teslas doing the speed limit or less on the interstates that aren't in metropolitan areas.

[Velvet]

I was thinking of lithium batteries the vending machine does the lifting for you. These batteries are available for other vehicles like boats as well.

[Randyj66]

Why wouldn't you all think about public electric transportation! After all it's already in place in most of the areas that you moved from. Humble yourselves and ride a bus! It won't kill you! Talk about relieving congestion! Wow what a great idea!

[EdFNJ]

Won't work because electric carts use multiple types of charging connections. Plus they take hours to charge.

[jebartle]

On a full overnight charge with 6 or 8 batteries you can get a good 35-50 miles. Why worry?

I agree, but who wants to ride 50 miles in a bumpy cart, get in a car, save the cart ride for shorter trips.

[golfing eagles]

Why wouldn't you all think about public electric transportation! After all it's already in place in most of the areas that you moved from. Humble yourselves and ride a bus! It won't kill you! Talk about relieving congestion! Wow what a great idea!

Think about lugging 6 bags of groceries and a 50# bag of dog food on "public electric transportation", especially in the rain. Go right ahead and "humble" yourself and "relieve congestion"--- one less car on the road in my way! Wow, what a great idea!

PS: Your bus will be 4 hours late as it needs to get charged:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Neils]

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[dewilson58]

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Well said.

[Two Bills]

I will just keep using my gas guzzling lump of a car, and leave all the battery worries to the kids and grandkids.
"Fire up the Quatro!"

[graciegirl]

Yes I understand all that has been said on this thread. I know that the golf carts sitting motionless next to the cart paths in the last fifteen years have mostly been electric ones. Back then I could more easily walk home. Not so much now. When we are being green, we have to be realistic too. I suggest recycling, reusing, repurposing. Like wear your older clothes and pull up the weeds if it makes you feel better than using herbicide. Use a bread bag for your leftover sandwiches instead of a nice clean new plastic bag. Quit lecturing and be a little more practical. There is nothing worse than an uninformed person on Climate Change, unless it is an overzealous Greenie.

[MSchad]

Have a battery station where you exchange the battery. You pay only for the charge in a fully charged battery. You swap out the batteries, a lithium battery is not that heavy. Like a vending machine for batteries. Swapping stations are already in practice in Taiwan for scooters (Yamaha).
And who swaps the batteries for those who can’t do it themselves? Who mans the stations? How do your dead batteries get recharged? Need to pay for more than just the charge in the swapped batteries.

[MSchad]

I cannot understand why The Villages should have to provide.......even if they could afford it.

Because the Villages are supposed to supply everything forever (sarcasm).
People don’t seem to realize the developer is a private, for profit business. They need to talk to the CDD’s that actually run things after development is completed.

[Velvet]

And who swaps the batteries for those who can’t do it themselves? Who mans the stations? How do your dead batteries get recharged? Need to pay for more than just the charge in the swapped batteries.

There is a vending type machine with the batteries. Mechanical arms change the battery. It takes yours, and puts new ones in place. You sign up for the service annually. Since you get different fully charged batteries each time, you do not need to buy new batteries every 8 years. No one mans the station it is self serve. This is already in practice for various vehicles such as scooters and segways in some countries.

[jarodrig]

Have a battery station where you exchange the battery. You pay only for the charge in a fully charged battery. You swap out the batteries, a lithium battery is not that heavy. Like a vending machine for batteries. Swapping stations are already in practice in Taiwan for scooters (Yamaha).

You obviously know nothing about electric golf carts.......

[Velvet]

This is for the future... and I agree I have a lot to learn about electric golf carts, I’m just visualizing the future. Good luck with the charging station.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

are paying for this bill for many years to come and I personally don't wish my hard earned cash to pay for someone else's charging station. If you need a charging station then add a surcharge to those using electric vehicles to pay for it.

I never wanted my hard-earned cash to pay for someone else's kids' public education, or someone living in a different state using the roads in my state, or snow plows to plow a road I don't personally ever use...

But there's a price to pay for being civilized. And I'm willing to pay that price in exchange for civilization.

Your mileage may vary.

As for the topic itself - charging stations - there are charging stations up north, they're not all over the place but they're not rare either. Mostly for electric cars. There ARE people here in the Villages who drive electric cars. And there ARE people who live outside the Villages who drive electric cars into the Villages.

Unfortunately because of the "me" mentality around here, it's not going to be practical to set up charging stations courtesy of the government. They'll have to be set up as a pay-per-use system. If I know the person ahead of me is PAYING for that electricity I'm not as likely to whine about them taking too long because MY electricity is more urgent than theirs.

They'd need to set up a whole bank of them though, and require that the credit card remain inserted in the machine until the person is ready to drive away. Otherwise people will just park, charge, and leave their carts there while they go shopping.

[tuccillo]

Nope, that is not typically how electric chargers for cars work. Typically, you are charged per kWh or the number of minutes you are charging or per kWh and then a penalty if you stay connected once you are charged. You pay many chargers via an app that is linked to a credit card.



They'd need to set up a whole bank of them though, and require that the credit card remain inserted in the machine until the person is ready to drive away. Otherwise people will just park, charge, and leave their carts there while they go shopping.

[Northwoods]

Why wouldn't you all think about public electric transportation! After all it's already in place in most of the areas that you moved from. Humble yourselves and ride a bus! It won't kill you! Talk about relieving congestion! Wow what a great idea!

I have no issue riding a bus. Where do I catch one in the Villages to go from one Square to the other? Or to go from my Village to Publix? I'd be happy to do that. (Although carrying those grocery bags from the drop-off point to my house in the summer might be an issue).

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

They couldn't just have electrical outlets. There would have to be several chargers for the different models of golf carts.

Someone might eventually invent a charger that would work with all carts and simply have different plugs and a switch to turn to your cart's make and model.

Since the federal government is so interested in protecting the environment by subsidizing the manufacture of electric vehicles, maybe they could pay to have something invented and installed. That way we could start getting rid of all the noisy, gas guzzling, polluting gas golf carts.

Of course, there is also the problem with carts taking hours to charge. That would also have to be solved. But all the government seems to have plenty of money. Maybe they should do a study.

[DeanFL]

They couldn't just have electrical outlets. There would have to be several chargers for the different models of golf carts.

Someone might eventually invent a charger that would work with all carts and simply have different plugs and a switch to turn to your cart's make and model.
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We have a 48V Tomberlin - they have an 'onboard charger system'. It uses regular 120V and a regular cord/plug. When back from using we simply 'plug it in' with a heavy duty extension cord from the regular outlet in the wall 3' away in the garage.

Not sure how other mfrs do theirs...
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[mulligan]

They couldn't just have electrical outlets. There would have to be several chargers for the different models of golf carts.

Someone might eventually invent a charger that would work with all carts and simply have different plugs and a switch to turn to your cart's make and model.

Since the federal government is so interested in protecting the environment by subsidizing the manufacture of electric vehicles, maybe they could pay to have something invented and installed. That way we could start getting rid of all the noisy, gas guzzling, polluting gas golf carts.

Of course, there is also the problem with carts taking hours to charge. That would also have to be solved. But all the government seems to have plenty of money. Maybe they should do a study.

You don't just "have" charging outlets. Who will pay? The government. That's MY tax money you're spending foolishly. It will cost trillions to wire the country.

[tuccillo]

No, they can have "regular" electric outlets. Golf carts use a regular 120V 3 prong plug (a 5-15 plug, IIRC) on a 15 or 20 amp circuit (AC). They either have external or internal chargers that convert AC to DC current. Golf carts with external chargers would need to bring their charger with them. Unlike electric cars, I don't believe there is any standardization on direct DC charging (that would bypass the AC to DC conversion in the external or internal charger) of golf carts plus you would need some battery management hardware. I don't see the motivation for such a thing since electric golf carts have a pretty good range, certainly enough for getting around The Villages, there is no time urgency on charging since you can charge overnight at home, and charging at home is easy via the ubiquitous 120V 3 prong outlet. When you find yourself with insufficient range then you need to buy new batteries.

They couldn't just have electrical outlets. There would have to be several chargers for the different models of golf carts.

[Ben Franklin]

You don't just "have" charging outlets. Who will pay? The government. That's MY tax money you're spending foolishly. It will cost trillions to wire the country.
I know lots of people who don't use the Rec centers, or golf, but they still have to pay the monthly fee. Wouldn't this be the same thing?

[tophcfa]

I know lots of people who don't use the Rec centers, or golf, but they still have to pay the monthly fee. Wouldn't this be the same thing?

Not the way I see it. When people choose to become Village homeowners, they had full knowledge they would be required to pay a monthly amenity fee regardless of their use of such amenities. When people choose to buy a gas vehicle versus electric, they did not sign up to subsidize those that bought electric.

[Ben Franklin]

Not the way I see it. When people choose to become Village homeowners, they had full knowledge they would be required to pay a monthly amenity fee regardless of their use of such amenities. When people choose to buy a gas vehicle versus electric, they did not sign up to subsidize those that bought electric.

Would you have objected if that was already included in the amenity fee before you moved here? We've been subsidizing the gas and oil industries since forever? Do you object to that? Even though it's a different government entity, it's still our taxes.

[RI401]

I have solar panels on mine up north and charge controller. I have an inverter too that powers ac stuff at the house if the power goes out. I assume you have more sunshine here than in Rhode Island.

[graciegirl]

Would you have objected if that was already included in the amenity fee before you moved here? We've been subsidizing the gas and oil industries since forever? Do you object to that? Even though it's a different government entity, it's still our taxes.

That's a reach.

[tuccillo]

A strawman argument.

Would you have objected if that was already included in the amenity fee before you moved here? We've been subsidizing the gas and oil industries since forever? Do you object to that? Even though it's a different government entity, it's still our taxes.

[Neils]

With the tremendous growth of The Villages and the long distances from the different amenities, I think it is about time that electric charging stations be installed at strategic locations. (a good example is the softball fields at Everglades, if you live around CR466 or North of it, it is impossible to make the round trip with out running out of power).
Just something to think about.

We can have a new coal fired power plant built between the prison and the quarry to provide the power needed for all the new cart and car chargers that will soon be plugged in.
Or we could choose to have rolling power blackouts during the summer months like Calif already does now.

[Ben Franklin]

That's a reach.

How so? I pay for the electricity at the Rec centers for people to play cards, exercise, pool, etc. Our national and state taxes also pay to subsidize the oil and gas industries. In 2019 we subsidized the oil and gas industry, $20 Billion. What's the difference between our taxes paying for national subsidies and the taxes we pay as local, recreational fees?

Electric IS the future, whether we like it or not. I imagine the time will come when electric stations will be the norm.

[Retiring]

With the tremendous growth of The Villages and the long distances from the different amenities, I think it is about time that electric charging stations be installed at strategic locations. (a good example is the softball fields at Everglades, if you live around CR466 or North of it, it is impossible to make the round trip with out running out of power).
Just something to think about.

I don’t think you’re asking for “free” charging of your cart. I know you wouldn’t want all villagers to pay for your cart usage. If you are looking for a free charge than I assume you are in favor of “free” gas stations to pay for my cart usage. Let’s leave the nanny state outside TVs boundary. But I commend the effort.

If TV can make money selling power at various locations than I’m for it. If I must subsidize YOUR choice of electric cart, that’s a big fat…

[Topspinmo]

Love your sense of humor! Do you think the OP wants to wait until 2030? lol


Some of us can’t want that long:popcorn:

[Topspinmo]

How so? I pay for the electricity at the Rec centers for people to play cards, exercise, pool, etc. Our national and state taxes also pay to subsidize the oil and gas industries. In 2019 we subsidized the oil and gas industry, $20 Billion. What's the difference between our taxes paying for national subsidies and the taxes we pay as local, recreational fees?

Electric IS the future, whether we like it or not. I imagine the time will come when electric stations will be the norm.

IMO the fossil fuel industry get subsidized cause the government makes more on gallon gas than oil companies. Even the state’s make more. We are not paying for residents to get to rec centers. It’s on their dime.

[mulligan]

I know lots of people who don't use the Rec centers, or golf, but they still have to pay the monthly fee. Wouldn't this be the same thing?

NO They didn't have to buy here.

[Bay Kid]

Free gas. Free electric. One day everything will be free.

[Ben Franklin]

For those who know the future. I leave you this video.

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[Topspinmo]

I know lots of people who don't use the Rec centers, or golf, but they still have to pay the monthly fee. Wouldn't this be the same thing?


and that’s there choice not to use what available under the amenities they pay. Nobody ever going to get everything they want.

[Topspinmo]

For those who know the future. I leave you this video.

This South Korean Bike Highway Has A 20-Mile Solar Roof (https://www.fastcompany.com/3048661/this-south-korean-bike-highway-has-a-20-mile-solar-roof)

Isn’t SK about the size of Marion county? :)

[Topspinmo]

Why wouldn't you all think about public electric transportation! After all it's already in place in most of the areas that you moved from. Humble yourselves and ride a bus! It won't kill you! Talk about relieving congestion! Wow what a great idea!

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There no buses throughout the villages and the one’s I seen coming from leesburg are diesel. IMO it’s not in place in most areas of the United States.

[rjm1cc]

Well if someone thinks this is a good idea maybe they can get permission to build stations around the villages and recoup their investment from the people charging their carts. My guess is there won't be any takers.