What's good for the goose, is good for the gander!

[LianneMigiano]

Just wondering if any villa neighborhood has been able to petition the Developer for color changes (to TV pallet colors) when all in their neighborhoods are ONE IDENTICAL COLOR? I believe 75% of the homes in our neighborhoods must sign in order to pass. Even the US Senate can't pass anything - and THEIR threshold is 60%! Why the outrageous % required - and "...without competent, substantial evidence to support their decision" (as they are alleging regarding the SS apartments - in today's Daily Sun)!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Just wondering if any villa neighborhood has been able to petition the Developer for color changes (to TV pallet colors) when all in their neighborhoods are ONE IDENTICAL COLOR? I believe 75% of the homes in our neighborhoods must sign in order to pass. Even the US Senate can't pass anything - and THEIR threshold is 60%! Why the outrageous % required - and "...without competent, substantial evidence to support their decision" (as they are alleging regarding the SS apartments - in today's Daily Sun)!

Well hm, let's look at your analogy. It makes no sense, the two situations don't compare.

With the government, you're dealing with 50 individual states, and everyone living in each of those states, almost 300 MILLION people, and their representatives needing to come up with solutions where at least 60% of them can actually agree on something.

With the Villages neighborhoods, you're dealing with ONE neighborhood, or a singular, confined, limited selection of neighborhoods, whose representatives need to appease just a few hundred people total.

If you want to seriously believe that the two compare, let's all gripe about cell phone service, and demand that only one carrier provide service to all residents, for the same price with the same plan. You only need 60% of the residents to agree, before you force everyone else to change their plan to the decided one.

[graciegirl]

Just wondering if any villa neighborhood has been able to petition the Developer for color changes (to TV pallet colors) when all in their neighborhoods are ONE IDENTICAL COLOR? I believe 75% of the homes in our neighborhoods must sign in order to pass. Even the US Senate can't pass anything - and THEIR threshold is 60%! Why the outrageous % required - and "...without competent, substantial evidence to support their decision" (as they are alleging regarding the SS apartments - in today's Daily Sun)!

I like the way things are. I don't want the inmates to run the asylum. Most everyone THINKS they have good color sense.

[JohnN]

I think it's 90% of the neighborhood vote.

Ours had a vote last year and it failed, wasn't even close.

Our neighborhood is not "all one color". There are probably 8 or 10 shades and variations within the same color palette. I check my color vs. several of my neighbords and, yep, they're all different.

I'd driven around prior to that and looked at some neighborhoods where it had passed.
To be honest, there were some bad-ugly villa colors in there, IMHO.

But if you want to change the colors in yours, go for it.

[Bogie Shooter]

Isn’t this a District issue and not the Developer?
Or maybe ARC?

[Carla B]

Where is John W. when we need him and all the photos he posted? As I recall, his villa neighborhood got permission to vary the colors and a limited color palette was presented to them. The difference in the original paint color vs. the tint he chose was stunning.

Maybe if you could get the color pallet that was allowed in his neighborhood and present to your villa residents you might be able to get approval. I'm not sure but his villa may have been in Tamarind Grove.

[twoplanekid]

Read my posting on the colors south of 44 and the comments provided in colors,colors.colors

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/colors-colors-colors-316923/

[Goldwingnut]

Yes, this has been done in many neighborhoods. The 75% number is intentionally high to ensure the neighbors are in agreement as it can have a significant impact on the subdivision/neighborhood. From the information I've see, the changes either pass with 90%+ approval by the neighborhoods or fall way short. The petition is brought to the responsible CDD for approval, the developer isn't involved except in the cases where one or more of the supervisors is land owner elected (one seat in CDD-12 and all of CDD-13 I believe is the correct count).

[Topspinmo]

I like the way things are. I don't want the inmates to run the asylum. Most everyone THINKS they have good color sense.


Do you live in CYVs? Yes they can be changed if enough resident’s want it. Some of these old all pink CYV’s are IMO worse that lawn ornaments.

[La lamy]

Bring on the colors!!! So happy to be living in the historic part where people are still allowed to be as eccentric as they want. I was just down in Chitty Chatty Village this week and the 'Stepford wives' vibe of sameness is so prevalent. But there sure are gorgeous homes down there.

[DaleDivine]

In our CYV we had to petition 75% approval to have our driveways painted. And only two color options. It's hard to track down some of the individuals that are snowbirds or just owners who bought their CYV as investment rental property and didn't want to be involved. :shocked::shocked:

[rustyp]

Just wondering if any villa neighborhood has been able to petition the Developer for color changes (to TV pallet colors) when all in their neighborhoods are ONE IDENTICAL COLOR? I believe 75% of the homes in our neighborhoods must sign in order to pass. Even the US Senate can't pass anything - and THEIR threshold is 60%! Why the outrageous % required - and "...without competent, substantial evidence to support their decision" (as they are alleging regarding the SS apartments - in today's Daily Sun)!

Our lake association up north is set up such as a covenant change requires 75% approval vote to change. A bylaw change requires a simple majority vote. The color pallet falls under covenants in our association. I believe this is a common practice.

If you give it some thought you may see making it hard to change a covenant is not such a bad thing. A simple majority has a much higher probability of frequent changes. Example - a simple majority can change the color but you are now required to paint the home the new color at your expense. I doubt you would want this to happen often.

[DAVES]

Just wondering if any villa neighborhood has been able to petition the Developer for color changes (to TV pallet colors) when all in their neighborhoods are ONE IDENTICAL COLOR? I believe 75% of the homes in our neighborhoods must sign in order to pass. Even the US Senate can't pass anything - and THEIR threshold is 60%! Why the outrageous % required - and "...without competent, substantial evidence to support their decision" (as they are alleging regarding the SS apartments - in today's Daily Sun)!

Some things are simply not worthy of caring about.

[dmcguff33]

Speaking of color changes...could the developer please change the blue color at Liberty Park. It is so dated and ugly. A grey blue would look so much nicer and current. Am I the only one who dislikes this blue??

[Tmarkwald]

Speaking of color changes...could the developer please change the blue color at Liberty Park. It is so dated and ugly. A grey blue would look so much nicer and current. Am I the only one who dislikes this blue??

I have to agree. It looks like a 1970's amusement park. Ugly...

[Deep Creek Local]

Yes, Villa de la vista North successfully did this. Took a LOONG time to get done.

[Don Ferguson]

I live in Greenbriar Villas (CYV's), and we have the color choices for repainting. A volunteer from our social club took the petition door-to-door, with the proposed color choices, so that residents could see that approval would not be a disaster. We got approval very quickly. Take a ride through our area. It is quite pleasing with the variations of color.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Bring on the colors!!! So happy to be living in the historic part where people are still allowed to be as eccentric as they want. I was just down in Chitty Chatty Village this week and the 'Stepford wives' vibe of sameness is so prevalent. But there sure are gorgeous homes down there.

Preach on, Sister. As long as it's maintained, the mildew and mold power-washed off every so often, I'm happy to see juuuust about any color at all on a neighbor's house. We even have a lavender colored house on the next street over. It's not what I would ever pick, but I'm grateful that it's allowed.

Do you live near the "infamous red house?" That's a landmark. When we get visitors we always tell them to turn when they get to "the red house" and they ask how they know they're at it and we tell them they'll know it when they see it, and they can't miss it.

GORGEOUS house by the way. It's hard to believe it's a double-wide under the shingles and eaves and gables.

[Retiring]

I didn’t know there are areas where house color is not controlled. This would explain a lot. A few days before my design week I spent couple days driving around TV looking at house colors. My hope is that couple colors would stand out, I would take down the address, allowing me to check off that box. I did see some hideous colors. One was blue, but such a dark blue you would swear it was black. Also, several garage doors and shutters painted black. Fluorescent lime green was not appealing. Personally when I see these color choices, I really want to get to know the person living there. They must be rather unique and maybe fun to know. As for my house color choices I went with my bland taste of neutral colors, again.

I am the first house on my block, both sides of the street, curious what my neighbors will choose. I pray the house next to me is not an eccentric color. I don’t want to give directions, “I’m between the black house and the hot pink house.” God, please let my neighbors be as bland and boring as I am. :pray:

[LianneMigiano]

Our lake association up north is set up such as a covenant change requires 75% approval vote to change. A bylaw change requires a simple majority vote. The color pallet falls under covenants in our association. I believe this is a common practice.

If you give it some thought you may see making it hard to change a covenant is not such a bad thing. A simple majority has a much higher probability of frequent changes. Example - a simple majority can change the color but you are now required to paint the home the new color at your expense. I doubt you would want this to happen often.

The petition only allows THOSE WHO WISH TO to make the change - it does NOT REQUIRE everyone to make the change! That's why the 75% takes away everyone's freedom of choice to modify colors into the beautiful pallet choices the Developer suggests.

[LianneMigiano]

Ours are all dull, ugly gray.

[Garywt]

We are in Villas and houses are all different colors. It is in our deed restrictions that you cannot paint the same color as your neighbor so no 2 house next to each other can be the same color.

When we first moved in someone petitioned to enclose the front entry and it passed quickly.

[rustyp]

We are in Villas and houses are all different colors. It is in our deed restrictions that you cannot paint the same color as your neighbor so no 2 house next to each other can be the same color.

When we first moved in someone petitioned to enclose the front entry and it passed quickly.

The petition only allows THOSE WHO WISH TO to make the change - it does NOT REQUIRE everyone to make the change! That's why the 75% takes away everyone's freedom of choice to modify colors into the beautiful pallet choices the Developer suggests.

Yes I understand - I was responding to why a covenant requires such high agreement with a hypothetical example (I don't know all the facts of your case for sure) to change VS what you were relating to our federal government. In our own governments different laws or regulations do require different amount of consensus. Some even require constitutional amendments. Thus my reference to 75% required for a covenant change VS simple majority to change a bylaw in our association. It could be a good thing or bad. FYI our covenants in my lake home reside in our deeds and the bylaws reside on a piece of paper authored by the association. My experience if it was important enough to be a covenant the 75% rule in the long run is probably your friend. Helps to protect against the squeaky wheel gets the oil syndrome.

Also ref Gary's post about no two adjacent homes can be the same color. Other CYV neighborhood the houses are the same color. Point - What seems like a no brainer could have aspects one does not immediately realize. Better to go slow than sorry.

I also don't understand your statement about allowing us to chose the color in the developer's' pallet. I'm going out on a limb here but each neighborhood probably has their own pallet. Are you referring to some other pallet different than that allocated to your neighborhood ?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Where my parents live, their HOA will dictate when the painting must be done. If they agree to repeat the same color of the house as it already is, the HOA will provide the service and cover the expense. If they wish to paint it any of the other FOUR colors available (yes, that's it. Just four colors in their entire community, it's sad), they have to pay the entire cost.

The roofs have the same deal - except there's no choice on color. They're all terra cotta roof tiles.

[collie1228]

When I moved into our villa neighborhood eight years ago, there was one home color permitted, and the homes had various shades of that color, which frankly looked ridiculous. We have an HOA comprised of the 80 villas in our neighborhood, and the board of directors of the HOA did some research and petitioned residents to approve two complimentary base colors and four trim colors. The petition was approved by a majority of the residents and presented to the Architectural Review Committee for final approval. It was approved and in the seven years since then, most houses have been painted with the approved colors. It took a little work, but the neighborhood looks pretty nice.