The Scientist Who Laid the Groundwork for mRNA Vaccines

[coffeebean]

This is a great and very enlightening story. And, she is a woman! .......

Kati Kariko Helped Shield the World From the Coronavirus - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/health/coronavirus-mrna-kariko.html)

[JohnN]

thanks for posting it.

[coffeebean]

thanks for posting it.

You're welcome!

[Sabella]

This is a great and very enlightening story. And, she is a woman! .......

Kati Kariko Helped Shield the World From the Coronavirus - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/health/coronavirus-mrna-kariko.html)

The New York Times ?

[Tmarkwald]

The New York Times ?

How about this ?

Perseverance paid off.


UPenn COVID vaccine researcher Kariko was dismissed and demoted - On top of Philly news (https://billypenn.com/2020/12/29/university-pennsylvania-covid-vaccine-mrna-kariko-demoted-biontech-pfizer/)
[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/search/research-news/13214/?utm_source=gquery&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=gquery-home]

News: Kati Kariko Helped Shield the World...

There are a lot of references to her and her work on mRNA.

NEW YORK TIMES didn't make this up...

[graciegirl]

Thank you Mr. Bean for this wonderful article. I have copied it immediately to my Facebook page. Not only is she a woman, but a senior citizen. I believe a man could have done this, but assuredly no KID could have.

We owe millions of lives to her and this step will change the course of future medicine.

Thank you wonderful and dedicated ethical scientists. Thank you from my heart.

[Mortal1]

Personally I feel that bringing to light what sex she is doesn't make the story any less amazing and actually keeps reminding everyone that there's a professional difference between women and men when there is usually not. That actually causes more division instead of bringing us closer to unity in the work place and that there isn't any difference in most jobs and their requirements.

[shut the front door]

Personally I feel that bringing to light what sex she is doesn't make the story any less amazing and actually keeps reminding everyone that there's a professional difference between women and men when there is usually not. That actually causes more division instead of bringing us closer to unity in the work place and that there isn't any difference in most jobs and their requirements.

:bigbow:

[coffeebean]

Thank you Mr. Bean for this wonderful article. I have copied it immediately to my Facebook page. Not only is she a woman, but a senior citizen. I believe a man could have done this, but assuredly no KID could have.

We owe millions of lives to her and this step will change the course of future medicine.

Thank you wonderful and dedicated ethical scientists. Thank you from my heart.

You're welcome, Gracie. You are such a hoot. This is Mr. Bean. He is a hoot too..........

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[John41]

This is a great and very enlightening story. And, she is a woman! .......

Kati Kariko Helped Shield the World From the Coronavirus - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/health/coronavirus-mrna-kariko.html)

What annoys me is the university did not restore her to her tenure track. A few administrators need to be given the boot.

[sharham]

Great article. Thanks so much for sharing.

[DAVES]

This is a great and very enlightening story. And, she is a woman! .......

Kati Kariko Helped Shield the World From the Coronavirus - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/health/coronavirus-mrna-kariko.html)


How truly sad. The reason why our nation is so divided. "And she is a woman." Where we are and how we arrived.

[DAVES]

Personally I feel that bringing to light what sex she is doesn't make the story any less amazing and actually keeps reminding everyone that there's a professional difference between women and men when there is usually not. That actually causes more division instead of bringing us closer to unity in the work place and that there isn't any difference in most jobs and their requirements.


That is not so. Women do not think the same as men do. Classic. Everyone will realize it.
A guy does one thing at a time and plans. First I need to do this then that then.............
A woman and I believe it is genetic does multitasking with no realization of a plan.
Simple example. Hang a picture. He, collects the needed stuff hook, hammer. level etc.
If, he is wise, he has her pick the exact spot, knowing that if he decides she will latter tell him it needs to be further left, right up or down. Then, during the job she will say and I also want you to do this do that. Either the this or the that will include painting the wall before you hang the picture.

Together a man and a woman are a powerful team. Each fills in what the other lacks.
Today, we insist on denying reality

[blueash]

Personally I feel that bringing to light what sex she is doesn't make the story any less amazing and actually keeps reminding everyone that there's a professional difference between women and men when there is usually not. That actually causes more division instead of bringing us closer to unity in the work place and that there isn't any difference in most jobs and their requirements.

Her gender is extremely important to her story. The presumption in her field was, and likely still is, that a woman can't do it as well as a man. It is very important to over and over again point out the prejudice of that notion. It is very notable that those who continuous decry cases where the success of a woman or a POC is highlighted almost always are white males who have internalized our sadly not yet past cultural bias in their favor.

Just this week a national opinionator told his viewers that if woman and POC were given special consideration on entering flight training there would be plane crashes and people would die as a result, because of course those inferior people can't apparently be adequately trained and the system in place to only promote capable people from the training program does not exist in his presentation to his gullible viewers who have internalized white supremacy.

Mortal1 is correct that there is no REAL professional difference but there is an enormous perceived difference and that perception will only be changed by story after after story pointing out the contributions of not white males to the betterment of our world.

[blueash]

That is not so. Women do not think the same as men do. Classic. Everyone will realize it.
A guy does one thing at a time and plans. First I need to do this then that then.............
A woman and I believe it is genetic does multitasking with no realization of a plan.
Simple example. Hang a picture. He, collects the needed stuff hook, hammer. level etc.
If, he is wise, he has her pick the exact spot, knowing that if he decides she will latter tell him it needs to be further left, right up or down. Then, during the job she will say and I also want you to do this do that. Either the this or the that will include painting the wall before you hang the picture.

Together a man and a woman are a powerful team. Each fills in what the other lacks.
Today, we insist on denying reality

Maybe you need to read the linked article to see how a woman can do one thing at a time and plan. To see how this woman was focused for decades on RNA function. To see how she wasn't in the lab so she could make interior decorating or paint selections. It might actually educate you that it is not a man who gets the task done with the little lady helping with making it look nice, up or down left or right. You may not realize it but your posting is exactly the kind of misogyny needs to go away.

In your estimation, a man can hang a picture without a woman who is only there to micromanage the trivia. A woman certainly could not have hung the picture herself as she is too busy multitasking, which you seem to think is the same as can't focus on a plan for the job.

[CaptainMeso]

I’m very new to TOTV. Is there a man vs woman problem in TV (I’ve seen many references to it) or do I just keep seeing posts from coffeebean ?

[Tmarkwald]

It's from the NYT so it's credibility is immediately in question.

Normally I'd agree in principle.

Except that there are a LOT of other sources.

[Worldseries27]

i’m very new to totv. Is there a man vs woman problem in tv (i’ve seen many references to it) or do i just keep seeing posts from coffeebean ?
the issue is that the citizens of planet earth are having a difficult time, due to many, world societal & parochial issues, to look above the fray. All great scientists & others have one common link, their humanity.
Every einstein et al had a set of parents, grandparents etc. What was their particular iq ?
To dwell on race, sex, creed etc is a step backwards in understanding and perfecting our humanity. 🌎 out.

[toeser]

This is a great and very enlightening story. And, she is a woman! .......

Kati Kariko Helped Shield the World From the Coronavirus - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/health/coronavirus-mrna-kariko.html)

Thank you. That was a fascinating story. I particularly liked:

"Chinese scientists posted the genetic sequence of the virus ravaging Wuhan in January 2020, and researchers everywhere went to work. BioNTech designed its mRNA vaccine in hours; Moderna designed its in two days."

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I’m very new to TOTV. Is there a man vs woman problem in TV (I’ve seen many references to it) or do I just keep seeing posts from coffeebean ?

Coffeebean is neither male nor female. The seed of a coffee cherry (known as the bean) is hermaphrodite.

Most people have no problem with this. So it's not a "this vs. that problem" at all.

[Luisa]

Great story. Doesn’t matter woman or man. Don’t want to take away from the importance of the story, but I like to take up for the underdog and that has become men.

[jimjamuser]

That is not so. Women do not think the same as men do. Classic. Everyone will realize it.
A guy does one thing at a time and plans. First I need to do this then that then.............
A woman and I believe it is genetic does multitasking with no realization of a plan.
Simple example. Hang a picture. He, collects the needed stuff hook, hammer. level etc.
If, he is wise, he has her pick the exact spot, knowing that if he decides she will latter tell him it needs to be further left, right up or down. Then, during the job she will say and I also want you to do this do that. Either the this or the that will include painting the wall before you hang the picture.

Together a man and a woman are a powerful team. Each fills in what the other lacks.
Today, we insist on denying reality
That was just "good old BOY PROPAGANDA"!!!!! And it is an insult to women at a time when they are trying to recover from losing more income than similar men due to the CV Pandemic. Men always say that it is a team thing between a wife and a husband - but somehow the husband ASSUMES (?) that HE is the team CAPTAIN. The whole post was just old thinking that has NOT evolved from the 1950s. That's a shame - the world has moved on and now values both genders equally. Can TV Land really be THAT backward?????

[oldtimes]

That is not so. Women do not think the same as men do. Classic. Everyone will realize it.
A guy does one thing at a time and plans. First I need to do this then that then.............
A woman and I believe it is genetic does multitasking with no realization of a plan.
Simple example. Hang a picture. He, collects the needed stuff hook, hammer. level etc.
If, he is wise, he has her pick the exact spot, knowing that if he decides she will latter tell him it needs to be further left, right up or down. Then, during the job she will say and I also want you to do this do that. Either the this or the that will include painting the wall before you hang the picture.

Together a man and a woman are a powerful team. Each fills in what the other lacks.
Today, we insist on denying reality

That is an absolutely ridiculous stereotype. There are left brain and right brain thinkers in both sexes. That is why women can equal or exceed their counterparts in traditionally male dominated professions. I have met many women who hang their own pictures and men who don’t know how to use a hammer and level.

[jimjamuser]

Her gender is extremely important to her story. The presumption in her field was, and likely still is, that a woman can't do it as well as a man. It is very important to over and over again point out the prejudice of that notion. It is very notable that those who continuous decry cases where the success of a woman or a POC is highlighted almost always are white males who have internalized our sadly not yet past cultural bias in their favor.

Just this week a national opinionator told his viewers that if woman and POC were given special consideration on entering flight training there would be plane crashes and people would die as a result, because of course those inferior people can't apparently be adequately trained and the system in place to only promote capable people from the training program does not exist in his presentation to his gullible viewers who have internalized white supremacy.

Mortal1 is correct that there is no REAL professional difference but there is an enormous perceived difference and that perception will only be changed by story after after story pointing out the contributions of not white males to the betterment of our world.
The way I see it is that you are BOTH correct. Good job BOTH of you.

[jimjamuser]

I’m very new to TOTV. Is there a man vs woman problem in TV (I’ve seen many references to it) or do I just keep seeing posts from coffeebean ?
More likely it is a problem for old people all around the country. Look at the Television that molded our minds way back in the day. Look at Ricky and Lucy. Ricky earned the $ by being talented, debonair, and famous. What was Lucy - just arm candy - and an airhead at that. All doctors were male. Nurses were subordinates, like in "Mash" in the early 1950s. Cowboys carried guns. Cowgirls carried babies and cooked. Look at Hollywood movies - Marilyn Monroe was NOT famous for her acting like James Dean. "Thelma and Louise" was so unique in 1991 because the "heroes" were 2 women and still was a popular, money-making movie.

[coffeebean]

My goodness. I honestly did not think those words I uttered about the scientist's gender would spark such a controversy. That was not my intention at all. I was more interested in getting her compelling story told.

[Tmarkwald]

My goodness. I honestly did not think those words I uttered about the scientist's gender would spark such a controversy. I was more interested in getting her compelling story told.

I wouldn't worry about it. Most people took the article as intended.
But, as always, some people just like to find reasons to argue, complain, or cause controversy.
Just bored, I guess..

[Tmarkwald]

rather than repost again and again, here is the thread....

[coffeebean]

rather than repost again and again, here is the thread....

No link in your post.

[Tee4ta]

That is not so. Women do not think the same as men do. Classic. Everyone will realize it.
A guy does one thing at a time and plans. First I need to do this then that then.............
A woman and I believe it is genetic does multitasking with no realization of a plan.
Simple example. Hang a picture. He, collects the needed stuff hook, hammer. level etc.
If, he is wise, he has her pick the exact spot, knowing that if he decides she will latter tell him it needs to be further left, right up or down. Then, during the job she will say and I also want you to do this do that. Either the this or the that will include painting the wall before you hang the picture.

Together a man and a woman are a powerful team. Each fills in what the other lacks.
Today, we insist on denying reality


As a medical professional who has spent a great deal of my career in research labs, I couldn’t disagree more…

[Topspinmo]

I’m very new to TOTV. Is there a man vs woman problem in TV (I’ve seen many references to it) or do I just keep seeing posts from coffeebean ?


No, just certain posters. You can say the sky blue today and few will disagree.