Mass shootings

[jebartle]

Since Atlanta mass shootings, US has had 45 mass shootings. What will it take to change this trend? Surely to goodness, there is an answer to this problem.

[Aces4]

Since Atlanta mass shootings, US has had 45 mass shootings. What will it take to change this trend? Surely to goodness, there is an answer to this problem.

I think lack of excellent mental health treatment, care and facilities is 95% of the problem.

[kathyspear]

In many cases we find out that the shooter was known to local police and/or FBI. In the FedEx situation the guy had a rifle or some kind of gun taken away from him a year or so ago because he was suicidal. That gun was NOT returned to him. He then went out and bought two more. His name should have been in a database of people who are NOT allowed to purchase firearms. Is there such a database that covers the entire country? If so, is it not updated in a timely manner? I don't know ...

kathy

[Bucco]

PSince Atlanta mass shootings, US has had 45 mass shootings. What will it take to change this trend? Surely to goodness, there is an answer to this problem.

We are much too fractured at present to agree on an answer.

We cannot agree whether we should wear masks during a pandemic that took half a million Americans to their death so not optimistic.

Proposed in Teaxas is a return to the Wild West.....

Texas House approves open carry without a permit for handgun owners - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-gun-law-open-carry-no-permit-handgun/#app)

Of course, mental health is an issue, however, I subscribe to this from an article a few years back...

So many people have said that mental illness is related to mass shootings from disparate political beliefs, for so many decades, and so many different times that it’s easy to just accept the premise without questioning it. This is “illusory truth.”

However: there is no factual link between mental illness and violence against others. In fact, people with mental health disorders are more likely to be victims of a violent crime (up to 10 times more likely than the general population) than the perpetrators. A 2011 meta analysis found that to prevent one homicide of a person unknown to the perpetrator, 35,000 patients with schizophrenia judged to be at high risk of violence would need to be detained. Similarly, few U.S. mass shootings have been committed by people who were “mentally ill;” there is a much stronger correlation with other issues, like domestic violence. Finally, people with mental illness are much more likely to hurt themselves than others. Two-thirds of gun deaths in this country are suicides, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The Dangers of Linking Gun Violence and Mental Illness | Time (https://time.com/5645747/gun-violence-mental-illness/)

Question for gun owners, who always seem to think there is some conspiracy to get them, what does a gun owner need an automatic weapon that kills so many, so quickly.....?

[Madelaine Amee]

It's an American tragedy with no end.

[I'm Popeye!]

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[Bucco]

It's an American tragedy with no end.

Yep, and it is one of a number of them,

Yet wet continue to mock other countries, as if we set the standard for morality, common sense, etc.

[Taltarzac725]

Come at the problem from every direction and find something that works to fix it. More education about mental health would help, more stuff about cyberbullying and person-to-person bullying made available, more realistic discussions about the effects of gun violence on families and communities, etc. Mostly done locally though. There are very good mental health professionals out their and the patients and their families would have an idea who these people are as would the other local health professionals. Get them more involved with helping people cope.

[tvbound]

Since Atlanta mass shootings, US has had 45 mass shootings. What will it take to change this trend? Surely to goodness, there is an answer to this problem.

I'm afraid that horse has long ago left the stall. SCOTUS' decisions over the years have basically ignored the original reason for the 2A (no standing military, so "militia's" needed them) and continues to try and be expanded by those who are in love and obsessed (rightfully called "ammosexuals") with their guns. The idea that weapons used for war are needed by civilians, to potentially fight a modern government military, is simply ludicrous and a red herring. I own a handgun, bolt-action hunting rifle and a shotgun, which is all anyone actually needs. It's hard to think any of the FF's agreeing with, or even imagining, what has happened - since they were alive.

[Taltarzac725]

I'm afraid that horse has long ago left the stall. SCOTUS' decisions over the years have basically ignored the original reason for the 2A (no standing military, so "militia's" needed them) and continues to try and be expanded by those who are in love and obsessed (rightfully called "ammosexuals") with their guns. The idea that weapons used for war are needed by civilians, to potentially fight a modern government military, is simply ludicrous and a red herring. I own a handgun, bolt-action hunting rifle and a shotgun, which is all anyone actually needs. It's hard to think any of the FF's agreeing with, or even imagining, what has happened - since they were alive.

The NRA expanded gun rights in the 1970s very far from what I expect the Founding Fathers wanted.

Violence prone people with some kind of grudge or mental illness caused fixation will use any kind of weapon available to them.

This could have gone badly but did not--

More details on man who led law enforcement on chase into Carson City (https://www.kolotv.com/2021/03/16/police-activity-impacting-traffic-through-washoe-valley-carson-city/)

[Joe V.]

The NRA expanded gun rights in the 1970s very far from what I expect the Founding Fathers wanted.

There were no restrictions on gun ownership (or even artillery) at the founding of the country. So the founders seem to disagree with your "enlightened" comment.

[Bucco]

Replacing the current federal government with one responsible to the people.

Pretty sure the people elect who they want in government and the checks and balances allowed in the constitution are great protections.

A country of laws and not men.....pretty basic stuff

[Joe V.]

Pretty sure the people elect who they want in government and the checks and balances allowed in the constitution are great protections.
:rolleyes:

How is that law and order working out in Chicago, Portland, Baltimore, Minneapolis, Seattle, I can go on.

[Taltarzac725]

There were no restrictions on gun ownership (or even artillery) at the founding of the country. So the founders seem to disagree with your "enlightened" comment.

National Rifle Association'''s Change on Gun Control in 1970s | Time (https://time.com/4431356/nra-gun-control-history/)

Try research.

[Bucco]

National Rifle Association'''s Change on Gun Control in 1970s | Time (https://time.com/4431356/nra-gun-control-history/)

Try research.

Tal, you are asking a lot of some folks to READ AND RESEARCH.

Some have completely done away with thinking....consequences and taking accountability for YOURSELF are used ONLY to describe others.

[Joe V.]

National Rifle Association'''s Change on Gun Control in 1970s | Time (https://time.com/4431356/nra-gun-control-history/)

Try research.

Try research? Cut and paste a link from a left leaning publication is your research? Not playing the link game. I can put up as many as you can blowing you out of the water.

Gun controls are an infringement on the God given right enshrined in the constitution. Nothing you , nor anyone else can say, no matter how much you think you know, can change this.

I have spent enough time now on this thread. I will continue watching posted ignorant views for my continued entertainment.

BTW: The NRA has been clawing back infringements of freedom for many years now and they have done an excellent job.

[tophcfa]

Since Atlanta mass shootings, US has had 45 mass shootings. What will it take to change this trend? Surely to goodness, there is an answer to this problem.

Easy answer, but it won’t happen. Get rid of social media.

[davem4616]

I think lack of excellent mental health treatment, care and facilities is 95% of the problem.

what he said

[Bucco]

Easy answer, but it won’t happen. Get rid of social media.

I am in agreement totally.

[Taltarzac725]

Easy answer, but it won’t happen. Get rid of social media.

How many of the recent mass shooters spent a lot of time on social media? I doubt many did.

And there is this. Social Media Helps After Mass Shootings. It Also Fuels Them | Time (https://time.com/5646317/mass-shootings-social-media/)

[Bucco]

Since Atlanta mass shootings, US has had 45 mass shootings. What will it take to change this trend? Surely to goodness, there is an answer to this problem.

I apologize for allowing myself to be redirected in areas that your thread did not intend. I do apologize.

I posted once in response, and being steered away maybe cleared up for me some things.

It appears that some confuse gun laws to curtail massacres in shopping malls, etc., by guns that can kill many in seconds with P issues and demonstrations that go astray. I do not think that was your intent, but putting those aside, last week was pretty clear...

A Quinnipiac University poll released Thursday morning showed that about nine in 10 Americans (89%) support requiring background checks for all gun buyers, while 8% opposed that.

Researchers asked about several specific gun control measures.

74% support allowing the police or family member to petition a judge to take away guns from someone who may be at risk for violent behavior
52% support a nationwide ban on the sale of assault weapons
51% support nationwide ban on sale of high-capacity ammo magazines that hold more than 10 bullets
Just under half of Americans, 45%, feel that gun violence is a crisis in the United States. 41% think gun violence is a problem but not a crisis, while 12% think it's not a problem at all


Poll reveals Americans''' sentiment on several gun control measures, according to Quinnipiac University - ABC13 Houston (https://abc13.com/mass-shooting-gun-violence-control-background-checks-for-buyers/10519062/)

But propose any of these, you will be accused of any things......none of which apply.

[Joe V.]

Dood. Sit down. Relax. Remember: the US GOVERNMENT has access to firethrowers, actual machine guns, tanks, various and sundry missile weapons including live grenades, mines, and nuclear bombs. Do you REALLY believe your AR-15 is any match for the US military? Seriously? You really need to just find a nice beach somewhere and have a pina colada. And please for the love of whatever deity you choose to believe in, put your gun down. That's a pretty unhinged post of someone with profound anger issues. Your post sets a good example of the kind of mentality that should not be permitted to possess a firearm. Ever.

The only state that outright bans flame throwers is MD.

Flamethrower Rights - Jordan Law (https://www.jordanlawfl.com/flamethrower-rights/)



And one may own a machine gun if one possess a FFL.