Cancer Center

[Number 6]

Today I read in the Daily Sun that the Developer is looking for the residents to pony up $6.4 million to equip the new Cancer Center. I am stunned by that revelation. The reimbursement from the delivery of patient care is expected to cover the cost of the building and equipment. Now they want to be paid twice! Once by the residents, and again by the insurance carriers, mostly Medicare.

Here is how this works. The developer of the center takes out a loan for the building, equipment and working capital. Once they begin seeing patients, they recover the costs and, in this case, make a pretty decent profit. The radiation therapy side of the business is profitable, the medical oncology side, not so much.

When the initial story came out that the Developer was providing the building and was going to run the center independent of the Hospital, I thought it was a pretty good business move. Of course the original cost of $2 million of equipment was laughable. I think at the time I said that you cannot buy a state of the art accelerator for $2 million.

I just cannot believe that they do not have a complete financial feasibility study for this project. They must know what they are doing, though I now have my doubts.

[eremite06]

I am stunned, as well. Kind of reminds me of the bond controversy. I welcome the cancer center, but you think it will benefit Morse to attract more buyers?:shrug:

[Pturner]

Would somebody kindly copy and paste the article. Thanks!

[Bogie Shooter]

Would somebody kindly copy and paste the article. Thanks!
Watch the Daily Sun site....the article will probably be posted there.

http://www.thevillagesdailysun.com/

[graciegirl]

Yesterdays news when I click the link.

Being that the Daily Sun is a vehicle for the developer I doubt that they used the term " pony up".:confused:

I wish I could read what the article said.

[Bogie Shooter]

Yesterdays news when I click the link.

Being that the Daily Sun is a vehicle for the developer I doubt that they used the term " pony up".:confused:

I wish I could read what the article said.
Look again tomorrow.

[EXYZEE40]

It amazed me that the developer, with all his experience and staff, "didn't realize just how expensive either the special construction or special equipment would be."

Also, asking "residents' to raise the $6.3 million dollars needed to equip the state-of-the art facility"-- what about the 'non-residents' from the surrounding areas - will they have access to the facility also?

Yes,it will be great to have this facility -- but today's headlines were one big shock!

[Pturner]

It appears that they do The Daily Sun online differently now. For each section (i.e., "News", "Villages," Sports,") they give you one article from yesterday, one from the day before and one from the day before that. None from today. So it won't appear tomorrow unless it's the one News article they choose. Not cool.

[swrinfla]

I'm slightly disappointed that, so far, postings here imply that, when the Cancer Center was announced to be here, everyone expected it to be totally paid for!

My initial reaction this morning was to think in terms of "how can the various groups I belong to help Villagers to have the very best medical equipment?" I personally intend to devise ways of helping.

The Developer has deep, deep pockets. We all know that. But, I cannot see that it is his/their responsibility to finance the whole d*** thing!

SWR
:beer3:

[dillywho]

I'm slightly disappointed that, so far, postings here imply that, when the Cancer Center was announced to be here, everyone expected it to be totally paid for!

My initial reaction this morning was to think in terms of "how can the various groups I belong to help Villagers to have the very best medical equipment?" I personally intend to devise ways of helping.

The Developer has deep, deep pockets. We all know that. But, I cannot see that it is his/their responsibility to finance the whole d*** thing!

SWR
:beer3:

At last, someone who doesn't think that living here entitles them to a free ride courtesy of the Morses.

I would imagine that it took some doing to get Moffitt to pick here for another center. (I think it called "politics".) That said, I do agree with the other poster that said it will not be for the exclusive use of Villagers and therefore, others should contribute as well.

How soon everyone seems to have forgotten that Morses donated the land for the soon-to-be-open new VA facility. Had they not donated it and simply put more homes/businesses in Villages, vets would still be going elsewhere for everything.

Like I have said, living here is a choice. I, too, choose to help.:beer3:

[gary42651]

The only problem I see about this story, is they didn`t say where we can send a donation....

[Pturner]

At last, someone who doesn't think that living here entitles them to a free ride courtesy of the Morses.

I would imagine that it took some doing to get Moffitt to pick here for another center. (I think it called "politics".) That said, I do agree with the other poster that said it will not be for the exclusive use of Villagers and therefore, others should contribute as well.

How soon everyone seems to have forgotten that Morses donated the land for the soon-to-be-open new VA facility. Had they not donated it and simply put more homes/businesses in Villages, vets would still be going elsewhere for everything.

Like I have said, living here is a choice. I, too, choose to help.:beer3:

I don't think he owes us a free ride either. I just would like to see a copy of the article, so I can understand what this new information is. Maybe it will be online tomorrow.

[Bogie Shooter]

The addition of one word "area" ahead of residents, would have eliminated all the hand wringing posts today.
However, if the info about the equipment being paid for twice is true....then raising money will be very difficult.

[Number 6]

Unbelievable! I am not expecting a free ride. The development of a cancer center is a business activity, and if done correctly is a very profitable one. I expect that the Morses know what they are doing, and will turn a profit on this venture. And I am all for this. So who pays for the land, building, equipment and working capital of a cancer center? It is paid for by the people who use it, more correctly their insurance companies. In the case of a cancer center that is usually Medicare. Medicare reimburses on a use basis, and their payments factor in the cost of the building, equipment, etc..

I have developed cancer centers before and I know how this works. If you really want to make a donation, establish a Foundiation for the uninsured. Cancer treatment is an expensive propisition.

I am truly insulted that anyone took what I wrote as expecting a free ride. Please read my initial post and tell me where I am wrong.

[Bogie Shooter]

Unbelievable! I am not expecting a free ride. The development of a cancer center is a business activity, and if done correctly is a very profitable one. I expect that the Morses know what they are doing, and will turn a profit on this venture. And I am all for this. So who pays for the land, building, equipment and working capital of a cancer center? It is paid for by the people who use it, more correctly their insurance companies. In the case of a cancer center that is usually Medicare. Medicare reimburses on a use basis, and their payments factor in the cost of the building, equipment, etc..

I have developed cancer centers before and I know how this works. If you really want to make a donation, establish a Foundiation for the uninsured. Cancer treatment is an expensive propisition.

I am truly insulted that anyone took what I wrote as expecting a free ride. Please read my initial post and tell me where I am wrong.

Maybe you should consider volunteering your expertise to this project.

[Russ_Boston]

Haven't read the article (since I can't find it) but I would very, very, highly doubt if what you stated isn't exactly what is intended. I would find it hard to believe that either (probably both) Moffit or Morse wouldn't know EXACTLY what the plan was. You don't just announce something this large and then try to figure it out. Not either one's MO.

My 2 Cents.

[dillywho]

Today I read in the Daily Sun that the Developer is looking for the residents to pony up $6.4 million to equip the new Cancer Center. I am stunned by that revelation. The reimbursement from the delivery of patient care is expected to cover the cost of the building and equipment. Now they want to be paid twice! Once by the residents, and again by the insurance carriers, mostly Medicare.

Here is how this works. The developer of the center takes out a loan for the building, equipment and working capital. Once they begin seeing patients, they recover the costs and, in this case, make a pretty decent profit. The radiation therapy side of the business is profitable, the medical oncology side, not so much.

When the initial story came out that the Developer was providing the building and was going to run the center independent of the Hospital, I thought it was a pretty good business move. Of course the original cost of $2 million of equipment was laughable. I think at the time I said that you cannot buy a state of the art accelerator for $2 million.

I just cannot believe that they do not have a complete financial feasibility study for this project. They must know what they are doing, though I now have my doubts.

Perhaps I interpreted what you are saying incorrectly. Maybe the choice of words was not what you really meant.

The quote in the paper by Gary Morse is, "...I committed to finance and construct the building, confident that our residents would come together and raise the money neeeded to buy the equipment....." I don't understand who the "they" are that are expecting to be paid twice for both facility and equipment.

I don't agree with him that our residents need to be alone in raising the equipment monies. As the other poster said, it should have read "area" and not "our".

It sounds like you could lend much to this endeavor with your expertise. It seems that would benefit all, including G. Morse.

[chuckster]

All you supposed "experts" should not sit on the sidelines and put down this opportunity for all local residents. Come on in and donate time and effort at fund raising. Stop the whining and pitch in and help..........It might be you someday who will need cancer treatments. Step up to the plate...........I'm sure we can count on your generous donation.

[bkcunningham1]

I haven't read the article, so I'm not commenting on that part of the discussion. I would like to comment on raising funds for your community.

The area where I'm from in rural Southwest Virginia, in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains and very poor, hosted a golf tournament in June and raised $15,149,183.98 for a charity. That's right over $15 million, with an "M" million.

It is amazing what people can do when they have a vision and work together. The story of the charity they gave the money to is another amazing story.

It is a school/home for disadvantaged children. The private owners have never taken a penny of state or federal funds since it started as an orphanage in 1921.

No one is charged a dime to put their children in the school/home. The children from Mountain Mission School excell. More than 90% of the school�s graduates enroll in colleges.

Sorry to sorta hi-jack the thread. Just wanted to say I'd be willing to help on any fundraisers. The Moffitt Center does actually have a foundation already established for charitable donations. I'm sure you could contact someone there and find out about donations specifically for the new center's needs.

http://www2.tricities.com/news/2010/jun/09/mountain_mission_school_golf_benefit_nets_record-b-ar-233713/

[Midge538]

"Maybe you should consider volunteering your expertise to this project."

Ouch, Morse employees getting a little testy here!

[Bogie Shooter]

"Maybe you should consider volunteering your expertise to this project."

Ouch, Morse employees getting a little testy here!

Midge, way off base here..............not an employee of Morse.
The poster said......I have developed cancer centers before and I know how this works. If you really want to make a donation, establish a Foundiation for the uninsured. Cancer treatment is an expensive propisition.......Please explain why it it wrong to suggest this person get involved in this project?

[Number 6]

Look, I have thought about this. If this is being set up as a non-for-profit corporation, then great, fund raise for equipment. If it is a for profit, like most free standing cancer centers, than my point stands. I guess it is about who ends up owing the center and collecting the patient revenue.

I did not mean to cause all of this, but the salient information on this project needs to be released so that the resdients can understand what they are being asked to pay for.

[graciegirl]

Look, I have thought about this. If this is being set up as a non-for-profit corporation, then great, fund raise for equipment. If it is a for profit, like most free standing cancer centers, than my point stands. I guess it is about who ends up owing the center and collecting the patient revenue.

I did not mean to cause all of this, but the salient information on this project needs to be released so that the resdients can understand what they are being asked to pay for.

You are very well informed medically. Are you a nurse or MD or radiation person or hospital administrator? You don't have to answer, I am just nosey.

Don't be nosey Gracie.
Shame on you.

[bkcunningham1]

Central Florida Health Alliance is a not-for profit family of hospitals according to their website. The Villages Health System and the Leesburg Regional Medical Center are both part of the Central Florida Health Alliance.

When a hospital is classified a "not-for-profit" by the Internal Revenue Service it means that the hospital�s use of its profit, or any excess of revenues over expenses, must be used for the benefit of the hospital.

For-profit companies may use their profits to distribute monies to their owners or shareholders, and they can also reinvest that profit into the business. Non-profits only have the latter choice, that is, they must invest all profits into the business.

Here's a really good article that explains not-for-profit hospitals.

http://www.physiciansnews.com/business/707steinberg.html

[kipp818]

for general information the Moffet Cancer Center is a non-profit organization and is very well thought of.Also -- www.moffitt.org will furnish add'l info.

[bkcunningham1]

Did you know the Leesburg Regional Medical Center got its start in 1955 when the Leesburg Chamber of Commerce started a fund drive that ultimately raised over $800,000 from the community.

This money helped form the Leesburg Hospital Association which opened the Leesburg General Hospital in 1963. Pretty amazing.

[Becky]

My reaction after reading the article was what a great PR department The Villages has! They are asking the troops to gather, have parties for fund raisers, and it is a win for everyone. Everyone will have fun and feel that they are assisting in the new center. I am sure that the Morses have thought this through, and could finance this themselves, but this is a great move!

But we all know that The Villages has a great PR department!

Becky

[Jane52]

I'm appalled at some of the grumbling. Yes, the developer could afford to equip the new cancer center. But by having Villages residents JOIN TOGETHER (instead of just grumbling) to socialize and raise the money, residents will then have a personal interest in both the oncology facility AND the patients who are BLESSED to have such a place close by, during the worst LIFE STORM they've ever had.

Once people work to achieve something together, they have a common bond that will keep them coming back to volunteer, raise more funds for expansion, or simply to visit the center and take pride in what decent people can do IN HARMONY.

CARING is what it takes to fund and manage a facility like this, and the Morse family has indeed been caring. I can't even count the number of times a major donor has set up a Matching Funds program in which they match or double or triple what community donors give. It is motivating!

I smell class envy, and that is the poison that fractures a community instead of uniting it.

"Bitterness is a poison we swallow, hoping our enemy will die." (Unknown)

[jmitchell]

I'm appalled at some of the grumbling. Yes, the developer could afford to equip the new cancer center. But by having Villages residents JOIN TOGETHER (instead of just grumbling) to socialize and raise the money, residents will then have a personal interest in both the oncology facility AND the patients who are BLESSED to have such a place close by, during the worst LIFE STORM they've ever had.

Once people work to achieve something together, they have a common bond that will keep them coming back to volunteer, raise more funds for expansion, or simply to visit the center and take pride in what decent people can do IN HARMONY.

CARING is what it takes to fund and manage a facility like this, and the Morse family has indeed been caring. I can't even count the number of times a major donor has set up a Matching Funds program in which they match or double or triple what community donors give. It is motivating!

I smell class envy, and that is the poison that fractures a community instead of uniting it.

"Bitterness is a poison we swallow, hoping our enemy will die." (Unknown)

I am not sure if class envy is what is driving some of these posts, but I absolutely agree with you about about people working together for a "GOOD" cause! :BigApplause: and I do think that "good thoughts and actions" promote more "good thoughts and actions" ---- sort of like that old hair color commercial... and so on, and so on....

[dillywho]

Good to see that this thread is becoming more and more positive in nature.

There still needs to be input from the entire area that will be affected by this wonderful addition to the medical community, not just Villages residents. Then, they can also take pride in having been a part of making it a reality.

[jmitchell]

Good to see that this thread is becoming more and more positive in nature.

There still needs to be input from the entire area that will be affected by this wonderful addition to the medical community, not just Villages residents. Then, they can also take pride in having been a part of making it a reality.

I agree. I don't know if this happens often or at all since we are not in TV YET... we will not be moving into our new home until Oct. 12 :a040:, but it would be great to involve "all" the surrounding communities in the fundraising effort!

This may already be happening -- there may be some joint effort going on. Since I am in VA still, it's hard to keep up.

[Russ_Boston]

Isn't the bottom line "we are ASKED" to join the effort? No one is holding a hammer over anyone's head. It's not a requirement that we will see in some sort of tax bill.

[bimmertl]

Gary Morse is quoted in the article "I committed to finance and construct the building, confident that our residents would come together and raise the money needed to buy the equipment. We didn't realize just how expensive either the special construction or special equipment would be."

Does anyone believe Morse and his band of accountants etc. had no idea how "expensive" this undertaking would be?

How can he be confident the residents would raise the money to buy the equipment and fund the special construction he allegedly didn't know the cost of?

[dillywho]

Gary Morse is quoted in the article "I committed to finance and construct the building, confident that our residents would come together and raise the money needed to buy the equipment. We didn't realize just how expensive either the special construction or special equipment would be."

Does anyone believe Morse and his band of accountants etc. had no idea how "expensive" this undertaking would be?

How can he be confident the residents would raise the money to buy the equipment and fund the special construction he allegedly didn't know the cost of?

Why is it that Morse is always in the wrong regardless of what he does? He didn't have to build or continue to build this place, but he did/does. Who do you suppose took/takes all the risk with that endeavor? He had absolutely no guarantee that people would come. It's called speculation. He didn't have to furnish the land for the new VA clinic, but he did. He didn't have to campaign to get Moffitt to expand here instead of somewhere else. Projects get underestimated everyday by many, many, many executives and bands of accountants. It happens. He could have taken his profits and run long ago, but he didn't. Why is that?

I didn't see anything in the paper or in your quote where he said anything about anyone else funding the construction part, just the equipment.

Please reread Russ Boston's post. That pretty much says it. No one is forced to move or stay here for that matter, either. No one is being forced to contribute one thing. Once again, it is a choice. Anybody that does not contribute will not be denied the services when it is up and running just because they didn't/couldn't.

If you find something better, better go for it. We're stayin' put.:beer3:

[bimmertl]

Why is it that Morse is always in the wrong regardless of what he does? He didn't have to build or continue to build this place, but he did/does. Who do you suppose took/takes all the risk with that endeavor? He had absolutely no guarantee that people would come. It's called speculation. He didn't have to furnish the land for the new VA clinic, but he did. He didn't have to campaign to get Moffitt to expand here instead of somewhere else. Projects get underestimated everyday by many, many, many executives and bands of accountants. It happens. He could have taken his profits and run long ago, but he didn't. Why is that?

I didn't see anything in the paper or in your quote where he said anything about anyone else funding the construction part, just the equipment.

Please reread Russ Boston's post. That pretty much says it. No one is forced to move or stay here for that matter, either. No one is being forced to contribute one thing. Once again, it is a choice. Anybody that does not contribute will not be denied the services when it is up and running just because they didn't/couldn't.

If you find something better, better go for it. We're stayin' put.:beer3:

Simple question, do you believe he "didn't realize" the costs involved of the special construction or equipment prior to making the committment?

[Challenger]

Just like the "poor" -- the conspiracy theorists will always be with us. People sure do hate success in others. We just bought a villa and will be snowbirds for a while, Have bought and built 7 homes and see very little to be exercised about in TV. Maybe we have too many people with so much time on their hands that they get pleasure out of looking for the worst in every situation-(Bonds,medical facilities etc,) I am not a pollyanna and have a good bit of experience in owning, financing, and developing RE. I think that we have a great situation in TV. I also think that we should stay dilligent and be involved in our own governance as much as possible.

[bkcunningham1]

If I'm not mistaken Joe Gorman, president of The Villages Property Owners Association, campaigned and campaigned hard to have the cancer center located in TV. The original plan was for a facility associated with Moffitt to be only in Leesburg. Thanks to Mr. Gorman and his group, the plan was changed for Moffitt to be associated with both locations.

http://www.poa4us.org/cancercenter.html

[Number 6]

Gracie-
Eight years in the middle of my career working for a company that developed free standing cancer centers. They were all investor owned.

The simple question here is who owns the center; CFHA or Mr. Morse. One is not for profit and the other is for profit. Nothing wrong with either. I have asked CFHA for a clairfication.

[Bogie Shooter]

Simple question, do you believe he "didn't realize" the costs involved of the special construction or equipment prior to making the committment?
Don't see the answer to that making any difference either way. Its still a personal choice....to give or not give.

[Pturner]

Darn, the article wasn't in the online edition of the Daily Sun today. I'd love to know more about the project.

[bkcunningham1]

Here's another article where Joe Gorman is quoted. There are two pages to the aritcle, so keep scrolling down past the little Google ads.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-07-31/news/os-lk-cancer-center-leesburg-villages20100731_1_mammoth-senior-community-cancer-facilities-cancer-patients

[marianne237]

You know what? I don't care who pays for it. Just get it here, soon. Was just diagnosed in June and I'm looking forward to getting good care, going into remission and leading a happy life afterwards.

[Bogie Shooter]

You know what? I don't care who pays for it. Just get it here, soon. Was just diagnosed in June and I'm looking forward to getting good care, going into remission and leading a happy life afterwards.
Thats what we all should be thinking.
A survivor.

[jmitchell]

You know what? I don't care who pays for it. Just get it here, soon. Was just diagnosed in June and I'm looking forward to getting good care, going into remission and leading a happy life afterwards.

Marianne237,

My and my husband's thoughts and prayers are with you! Take good care of yourself because no one cares about your survival and quality of life as much as you do. Find the best care you can and enjoy every minute, even the tough ones. My husband is 2 years cancer free. He sees the doctor every 3 months and every 3 months they tell us the same thing -- that it is very likely to come back -- but every 3 months he proves them wrong! What do they know about his SPIRIT anyway ;-) Stay STRONG and fill your life with LOVE and JOY.

[Pturner]

Marianne237,

My and my husband's thoughts and prayers are with you! Take good care of yourself because no one cares about your survival and quality of life as much as you do. Find the best care you can and enjoy every minute, even the tough ones. My husband is 2 years cancer free. He sees the doctor every 3 months and every 3 months they tell us the same thing -- that it is very likely to come back -- but every 3 months he proves them wrong! What do they know about his SPIRIT anyway ;-) Stay STRONG and fill your life with LOVE and JOY.

I could not say it any better. Marianne, I send my prayers and best wishes!

[ldj1938]

As two time survivor of CA where do I take my check? If YOU ever have cancer you will want the best treatment possible. Based on what I have read Moffitt is one of the best. I did receive treatment at Mayo in Jacksonville, but since I am on medicare they said please don't come back! As for the support of the local community I'm not sure what the average income is in the area, but I would guess most Villagers are much better off financially. I will contribute and volunteer as needed. Thank you Gary Morse!

[spk7951]

Marianne237,

My and my husband's thoughts and prayers are with you! Take good care of yourself because no one cares about your survival and quality of life as much as you do. Find the best care you can and enjoy every minute, even the tough ones. My husband is 2 years cancer free. He sees the doctor every 3 months and every 3 months they tell us the same thing -- that it is very likely to come back -- but every 3 months he proves them wrong! What do they know about his SPIRIT anyway ;-) Stay STRONG and fill your life with LOVE and JOY.

I know exactly what you are going through and completely agree. When my wife was diagnosed with Multiple Myeloma in 2005 she had a stem cell transplant and was told the odds were she would be cancer free for 2 to 5 yrs. She also goes for a checkup every 3 months and is now just weeks away from reaching 5yrs being cancer free. We made the decision to retire early and it has been a godsend for her as she is enjoying every minute of it. The prospect of a treatment center close by as compared to what she/we had to endure in CT when she was going through treatment is very important to us but we also hold out hope that she never has to go through that process again. Best wishes.

[graciegirl]

I know exactly what you are going through and completely agree. When my wife was diagnosed with Multiple Myeloma in 2005 she had a stem cell transplant and was told the odds were she would be cancer free for 2 to 5 yrs. She also goes for a checkup every 3 months and is now just weeks away from reaching 5yrs being cancer free. We made the decision to retire early and it has been a godsend for her as she is enjoying every minute of it. The prospect of a treatment center close by as compared to what she/we had to endure in CT when she was going through treatment is very important to us but we also hold out hope that she never has to go through that process again. Best wishes.

Here is a heartfelt hug for you both.

Gracie

[djl8412]

:loco:
When Mr. Morse declared his intent to establish a Villages Health Care System and network, I had a very uneasy feeling. With the request for area residents to help fund the Moffit cancer facility I feel even more uneasy. It doesn't pass the smell test. There is no way I can believe that with all his development experience both residential and commercial that he would be caught off guard by costs of building and equiping such a facility. Coupled with the fact that most or all the players in this health network system are either current or former execs. in The Villages operating family. I would dare to suggest this is all a monopoly. After all, there are high-placed employees of CDDs (the local government) who also profit from the developer.

Let me save others the keyboard time by stating that, yes, I am cynical and, yes, disgruntled. I didn't originate the phrase "money is the root of all evil" but I sure believe it.

[duffysmom]

djl, the quote is "the LOVE of money is the root of all evil."
I for one am thrilled to be a part of the community supporting our new Moffitt Center. Sign me up. Personally I don't care about Morse's motives; having a world class cancer center a cart ride away is priceless. My thanks to Joe Gorman and the Morse family.:MOJE_whot: My prayers go out to all survivors. We all need to live as though today is our last day.

[bkcunningham1]

djl8412, very respectively, if you research and read articles that were written years ago when the proposal was first thrown around; the intent was always for the willing residents to help defray about $2 million in costs. Also, very respectively, the phrase isn't money is the root of all evil.

The originator of the phrase is Paul writing to Timothy, (I Timothy 6:1)

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

[Russ_Boston]

Thanks BK - I love finding the root of our popular sayings.

Never knew that was a bible reference.

Now if I just knew where "When the s&*$ hits the fan" originated! :)

[Russ_Boston]

But seriously...

Just wondering how those who are cynical feel that Morse could make money on this? Even if the majority of the $ were from donations how does that benefit Gary Morse? Maybe just having a prestigious center like Moffit in TV as a draw for future sales and commercial sites?

Am I just being naive? Sounds like a win (Moffit gets a new center with donated land etc in a senior RE development with 100K people), a win (we TV residents get a well known cancer center a golf cart ride away), and a win (for Morse to taut).

[bkcunningham1]

Thanks BK - I love finding the root of our popular sayings.

Never knew that was a bible reference.

Now if I just knew where "When the s&*$ hits the fan" originated! :)

That may be in The Book of Revelation around the time of the Second Coming. I'll have to research it Russ and get back with you on that one. LOL

[Shirleevee]

Good to see that this thread is becoming more and more positive in nature.

There still needs to be input from the entire area that will be affected by this wonderful addition to the medical community, not just Villages residents. Then, they can also take pride in having been a part of making it a reality.


Who do we make our check out to?

[Bogie Shooter]

Thanks BK - I love finding the root of our popular sayings.

Never knew that was a bible reference.

Now if I just knew where "When the s&*$ hits the fan" originated! :)

Who would have thought....Google found the answer. (PS: this site is not censored)
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/407950.html

[Russ_Boston]

Who would have thought....Google found the answer. (PS: this site is not censored)
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/407950.html


No real answer there - just guesses. Usually these things have some real origin and then are used in slang.


Like:

maybe they used to use fans in horse barns until...

or maybe

latrines were aired out using fans until...

[spk7951]

Here is a heartfelt hug for you both.

Gracie


Thanks much, we appreciate it.

[barb1191]

Does anyone recall about seven or eight years ago when there was talk about TV hospital plans to expand? During that time there was also discussion on Sumter County residents paying for this. Don't recall the details but do recall the issue being bandied around, in fact it was on the agenda to vote yea or nay. Obviously, it didn't get any support from the residents since the hospital was a satellite of the Leesburg Medical Center and not owned solely by TV.

Any comments? Have not researched this here in TOTV, so if there's some who can contribute to, or correct, my vague memory, please do.

Point being, this sounds more like deja vous in pitching for the residents to contribute, once again.

[Pturner]

Thanks BK - I love finding the root of our popular sayings.

Never knew that was a bible reference.

Now if I just knew where "When the s&*$ hits the fan" originated! :)

If the expression ever morphs into "when the es and star dollar hits the fan," we'll know where it originated.

[bkcunningham1]

A story in the Tuesday edition of TV's Daily Sun tells a heartwarming story of a family who lost their wife, mother, sister, dauther, daughter-in-law, et al, to cancer.

In order to help raise funds and support the new cancer center, the family is sponsoring a fundraising concert, Doo Wop Under the Stars, on Oct. 21 at the Polo Fields. Charlie Thomas� The Drifters is the featured entertainment.

If you go to the Daily Sun website and look under News and then Local you will see the story.

Tickets are on sale at The Villages Box Office.

[BigLew]

to my understanding, "donations"to for profit enterprises are called investments. What percentage of the profit do the benefactors get? Since Morse is "financing the construction" I would guess that unless he is donating back the interest, he will profit. The operation of the center will generate a profit. The moral thing to do would be to ask for investors, but I strongly understand why a person who has been impacted by cancer might want to donate.By the way, you all like bread, I am building a bakery could you find it in your hearts to donate $200,000 for the equipment? :-)

[barb1191]

BINGO!!!!! Exactly right on BigLew :agree:

[Russ_Boston]

BINGO!!!!! Exactly right on BigLew :agree:

I have a good idea:

DON'T DONATE THEN!!!!


No one is forcing you or anyone else. No one is being duped.

[ldj1938]

to my understanding, "donations"to for profit enterprises are called investments. What percentage of the profit do the benefactors get? Since Morse is "financing the construction" I would guess that unless he is donating back the interest, he will profit. The operation of the center will generate a profit. The moral thing to do would be to ask for investors, but I strongly understand why a person who has been impacted by cancer might want to donate.By the way, you all like bread, I am building a bakery could you find it in your hearts to donate $200,000 for the equipment? :-)

I suspect your bread may taste a little bitter!:throwtomatoes:

[dillywho]

For the life of me, I can't understand why some people spend so much time worring about what the Morse family does or does not make. I have enough on my own plate without concerning myself with anyone else's business. Russ has it right....not one person is being forced to donate nor will they be forced to go there for treatment once it is built. Again, I don't know of anyone who has been forced to move here or to stay here. If there is a better deal than here, then go for it.

Sorry, don't mean to sound tacky but the constant complaining about the Morse family and their money gets kinda old.

On a side note, wasn't it pointed out earlier in this thread that the hospital system and Moffitt Cancer Centers are not-for-profit entities?

[barb1191]

I have a good idea:

DON'T DONATE THEN!!!!


No one is forcing you or anyone else. No one is being duped.

Chill, Russ. Where did I write about being "forced" to donate? With all due respect, you're entitled to your opinion and I as well am entitled to express my opinion, even if it may not please you.

I happen to be a cancer patient and have contributed much to the cause. You're missing the point.....completely.

[mulligan]

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[Russ_Boston]

You're missing the point.....completely.


Then please explain the point you are trying to make by agreeing with BigLew's comment.

I'll listen intently to your opinion.

I guess I don't see the problem with a developer donating about 2M to the cause and a cancer center asking for donations to build out the rest. Donate, don't donate, it's your choice.

What is the issue?


FYI: This is from the Moffit Center website: Moffitt Cancer Center is a not-for-profit institution. http://www.moffitt.org/about This was mentioned in an earlier post.

You can have an opinion but let's get the facts right before we accuse people of trying to profit from this venture. And I don't mean just you Barb but you agreed with those who expressed such an opinion (read BigLew's point about investments which you agreed with. BINGO was your word).

[barb1191]

Russ....

This has become "nasty" and I didn't expect personal insults for rendering my opinion. Let's just leave it that we will agree to disagree.

[Indydealmaker]

Number 6: You are asking valid questions. Questions which should have already been answered by a better explanation as to why a "For Profit" corporation should need donations. Why not sell shares rather than seek donations? While it would be fantastic to have this facility here, the marketing value of this is huge for the Developer working toward a final build-out of The Villages. Since this venture is apparently not a charity, the "donation" route seems a bit weird.

After further reading on the internet, it appears that the cancer center foundation is considered a charitable organization. Obviously this information has not been communicated and documented well enough in the newspaper and in this forum. So to modify my earlier statement that the donation route seems weird; it does not seem weird once everyone understands the the cancer center is a charity. I am guessing that this is all you were looking for earlier when you first asked your question.

[Indydealmaker]

Just a dose of reality. A not for profit corporation is simply a legal entity. Trust me. There are plenty of profits and plenty of retained funds earning huge investment income. Never confuse a not for profit corporation with a charity. This does not make them bad. They are just not a charity. However, it does appear that the cancer center is a charity.

[Indydealmaker]

Barb1191, I have only been here a couple of months, but am I correct in observing that anyone simply "questioning" any actions by the Morse Family is tantamount to treason? From what I have read in this thread tonight, no one has accused the developer of anything "shady", yet some of the responses seem seriously disproportionate to the questions.

[Russ_Boston]

From what I have read in this thread tonight, no one has accused the developer of anything "shady", yet some of the responses seem seriously disproportionate to the questions.

I agree Barb - nothing personal.

Bottom line for me: Bringing a Mofitt cancer center to town has NO downside. If Morse makes money out of it indirectly then who cares? If donations are needed to bring it here then so be it. I hope I never need the center but it only enhances my reasons why I feel like TV is THE retirement center in the US.

[Taj44]

Barb1191, I have only been here a couple of months, but am I correct in observing that anyone simply "questioning" any actions by the Morse Family is tantamount to treason? From what I have read in this thread tonight, no one has accused the developer of anything "shady", yet some of the responses seem seriously disproportionate to the questions.

I agree. Some people really get bent out of shape when anything about the Developer or The Villages is questioned. I've had people in this forum tell me I should leave The Villages, because I voiced dissatisfaction with some element of our life here. Just plain foolishness, IMHO. I ignore them. Questioning things is a good thing - it can make for positive change, and in the case of the Morse family, I think it keeps them on their toes. Nothing wrong with that.

[jannd228]

Chill, Russ. Where did I write about being "forced" to donate? With all due respect, you're entitled to your opinion and I as well am entitled to express my opinion, even if it may not please you.

I happen to be a cancer patient and have contributed much to the cause. You're missing the point.....completely.

the Morse family seem to have their fingers in many profitable pies

[graciegirl]

the Morse family seem to have their fingers in many profitable pies

You are right. It is delicious to see that they can run things with all of the adverbs that make it profitable. Free enterprise is the backbone of this country. They are doing it without grants, government assistance and have done it for a long while. (Three generations)

I get annoyed when their success is questioned for no good reason. Sometimes, many times, hard work, smart risks, careful planning, and did I say hard work is rewarded with financial success. But, they could have done all this a lot less nicely and made a lot more money.

They fly beneath the radar and none of us truly know them. They fall into a place where they are undoubtably not Mother Teresa nor Attilla the Hun.

Even if I didn't buy here, I would have to say they know damn well how to run a business.

I don't know why they would want to bring a cancer center here other than to just make more money.. Naw.... They could still sell those houses without it, they have sold those houses without it for years. Maybe they have a vision of a wonderful life for older adults that no one on this planet has ever created before.

God save the king.

[dillywho]

Once again, your wisdom is right on. I, too, just cannot understand the obsession with the Morse family and their money. I am just grateful that they are willing to share. As you pointed out, they sure don't have to do it.

[zcaveman]

I think the cancer center is a good addition to TV and I will donate to the cause through the various clubs.

For the naysayers, think of the good it will bring to the cancer patients in TV. No more long trips to Tampa or Jacksonville for treatments.

I used to have to drive someone 30 miles a day for treatment.

Isn't this better?

[bimmertl]

The florida CDD statute was written by devlopers, for developers. To say Morse et al are profitable without government assistance is absurd. Without the Florida CDD statute, Morse could not have made his fortune. So all the CDD's in Florida rely on the statute they wrote, to rake in their profits.

Here's an old article lending some insight into the issue.

http://www.jimleusner.com/Stories/IT_TAKES_A_VILLAGE.htm

If you think Morse has nothing to hide, when they recently settled the lawsuit against them for close to $50 million, they insisted on a confidentially agreement which prevented the plaintiffs from discussing just what they discovered that led to the settlement.

The old adage "ignorance is bliss" certainly rings true for a lot of Villagers.

[same]

For the folks that choose not to support the world class cancer center. ...Instead of a check, just send in a card saying that if you get cancer, you would rather drive to Tampa for treatment.

[Russ_Boston]

The florida CDD statute was written by devlopers, for developers. To say Morse et al are profitable without government assistance is absurd. Without the Florida CDD statute, Morse could not have made his fortune. So all the CDD's in Florida rely on the statute they wrote, to rake in their profits.

Here's an old article lending some insight into the issue.

http://www.jimleusner.com/Stories/IT_TAKES_A_VILLAGE.htm

If you think Morse has nothing to hide, when they recently settled the lawsuit against them for close to $50 million, they insisted on a confidentially agreement which prevented the plaintiffs from discussing just what they discovered that led to the settlement.

The old adage "ignorance is bliss" certainly rings true for a lot of Villagers.

I'll ask again, maybe a little more politely:

What does this statement you made have to do with the Moffitt cancer center coming to town?

I'd like you to state whether you are for it or against it. And if you are against it then why?

At least we can debate the issue intelligently if you state your case and not just rail against Morse.

[SALYBOW]

I am a registered radiation therapist. I worked for 28 Years in Cancer Therapy. When a treatment center was built the entity that owned it also furnished it. Of course, they may have gotten help to do it. I am not sure.
I do know that the Treatment centers generated a lot of income for the owner. The radiation department particularly does.
I was thrilled to hear of the Moffet Center moving here. It is a name I am not familiar with, but they say it is quite big in the South. I would imagine the Moffet Center might be wondering what's up with this approach to funding as well. Might they lose confidence with their decision to come here?
As far as "chipping in" to equip the center I have a few questions. If the Villagers provide money for equiptment, do we also get money from the profits. If so. this may be a pretty good deal for us. I would be interested in increasing my meager living allowance for sure. :clap2:
When you ask the question should we expect the Morses to fund everything. my answer would be a resounding NO. We should expect thsoe who will reap the profits from the center to equip it. It is as simple as that.

[Russ_Boston]

Sally - I would guess that being not for profit the idea is to basically break even for tax reasons. Yes the employees get paid well and they put profits back into the business but the bottom line is limited and there is no pay out to shareholders or the like (re:TV'ers). I work for two not for profit companies right now.

At least that is my understanding.

On the web:

Ownership is the quantitative difference between for- and not-for-profit organizations. For-profit organizations can be privately owned and may re-distribute taxable wealth to employees (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker) and shareholders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shareholders). By contrast, not-for-profit organizations do not have owners. They have controlling members or boards, but these people cannot sell their shares to others or personally benefit in any taxable way.
While they are able to earn a profit, more accurately called a surplus, such earnings must be retained by the organization for its self-preservation, expansion and future plans. Earnings may not benefit individuals or stake-holders.

[Chi-Town]

First of all, it is great that we are going to have a cancer center affilliated with Moffitt. Originally, there was only going to be a facility adjacent to the Leesburg Regional Medical Center. Gary Morse stepped up to get a facility here. So it's a win-win for LRMC and The Villages Health System. Per the Central Florida Health Alliance both facilities will be leased and they will be tenants in the buildings.

So it would be interesting to see the plan of the developer for the Leesburg center. A large hospital that I called on with Cardinal Health opened a heart hospital on their grounds, and I don't remember community donations being necessary to equip it. BTW, the hospital is enjoying a nice return on its investment. As Russ mentioned since this hospital is also not for profit the monies are used to further the charter of the hospital.

[beartrack]

I had made up my mind that I was not going to comment on this thread even though I am greatly disturbed by many of the comments that have been made here, especially the ones concerning profit and loss. Frankly, I don't care who, or what makes whatever. Good luck to them. After I read the post from Kathiel about the Passing of Steve from NY. And knowing what many of my friends and family members have gone through, I felt that I needed to make a comment.

If any of the folks that are concerned over profits, ever find themselves lying on a table under a radiation machine or sitting in a chemo chair once a week for six months while the staff there is pumping your body full of poison that they describe as a cocktail, I promise you that the last thing you will be thinking about how much money some people may or may not be making. I also promise you that you will say a special prayer for the outstanding treatment that you will be recieving at The Moffit center, and for the people that brought to your doorstep one of the most respected world class cancer centers in The USA.

I do not pretend to be as articulate as others that post here but, this one is from the heart. So please, go easy on me.

Thank you to the Morse family and anyone else that had the forsight to bring The Moffit center to us. Many, Many thanks.

[pauld315]

I have also refrained from commenting on this since I do not yet live there but I am in a family that has experienced cancer multiple times. My wife has had breast cancer twice and I know just how hard it is for the patient and the families. We are very fortunate because we live within 20 miles of 3 fantastic world renowned cancer centers. However, over the years I met many people not so fortunate and they had to travel hundreds of miles to get the same level of care my wife could get. It is very hard going through cancer treatments and the travel can not only be a hardship but also very expensive. So, to get a world class cancer not for profit center to settle near the Villages is a blessing for the residents and those who live nearby.

6.4 million dollars for approximately 100,000 residents translates to about 64 dollars per resident. I know there are a lot of very skilled people who reside in TV who could figure out how to raise that amount of money pretty easily. It might take a few golf tournaments or other events but it seems like it could be done with all the facilities available in TV. It would cost more for a hotel room and gas to drive to Tampa one time than 64 dollars per person. To give those of you who may not be familiar with some of the treatments, my wife once spent 21 days in the hospital for a stem cell transplant. Amazing science which is done by harvesting your own stem cells before treatment begins, high dosage chemotherapy which kills your bone marrow and then reintrducing your own stem cells to bring you back to life. Imagine the expense or burden that would put on a family that lived 80 miles away. I have seen the burden firsthand and you are very lucky that Mofffit will operating a center near TV.

[pauld315]

As far as "chipping in" to equip the center I have a few questions. If the Villagers provide money for equiptment, do we also get money from the profits. If so. this may be a pretty good deal for us. I would be interested in increasing my meager living allowance for sure. :clap2:
When you ask the question should we expect the Morses to fund everything. my answer would be a resounding NO. We should expect thsoe who will reap the profits from the center to equip it. It is as simple as that.

To be crystal clear, Moffitt is a non profit organization.

http://www.moffitt.org/about

[graciegirl]

I had made up my mind that I was not going to comment on this thread even though I am greatly disturbed by many of the comments that have been made here, especially the ones concerning profit and loss. Frankly, I don't care who, or what makes whatever. Good luck to them. After I read the post from Kathiel about the Passing of Steve from NY. And knowing what many of my friends and family members have gone through, I felt that I needed to make a comment.

If any of the folks that are concerned over profits, ever find themselves lying on a table under a radiation machine or sitting in a chemo chair once a week for six months while the staff there is pumping your body full of poison that they describe as a cocktail, I promise you that the last thing you will be thinking about how much money some people may or may not be making. I also promise you that you will say a special prayer for the outstanding treatment that you will be recieving at The Moffit center, and for the people that brought to your doorstep one of the most respected world class cancer centers in The USA.

I do not pretend to be as articulate as others that post here but, this one is from the heart. So please, go easy on me.

Thank you to the Morse family and anyone else that had the forsight to bring The Moffit center to us. Many, Many thanks.

Beautifully, articulately and sincerely said, Beartrack. Thank you. I have been there myself but watching our daughter undergo cancer treatment was far worse. I would do anything to help bring an excellent cancer hospital to this place.

[skip0358]

I applaud the previous posts for being honest and sharing their own dealings with this dreaded illness. I to had family that went thru this. To think that approx. 100,000 people will be living here before long lets face it theres a good chance many of our own neighbors will need these facilities. If donations or fundraisers are needed so what. We can ban together and get the job done. We will benefit from this center being in our community. And I to say thanks to the Morse Family for getting this center here.

[beartrack]

Thank you Graciegirl, I knew that you would understand. If there are still some out there that feel that they want to continue to whine about profit and loss statements, this is America and that is their right. But, the rest of us need to get to work and raise the money. I want our cancer center to be the best that it can be. The benchmark for all communities in our country. Just one more reason to be a proud Villager.

[BigLew]

1. I didn't say the center is a bad thing
2. I didn't say I give a hoot as to whether or not the Morse's make money on it
3. I did say if you feel strongly about it then donate
4. I had life saving major surgery to replace my heart and the equipment was paid for in part by the $1.2 million that my insurance paid them. I have donated time to Heart charities as well as giving years worth of time to the MS association (no one in my family has MS) and other organizations......the request is still for a private marketing purpose and is still ludicrous. You can now use as many CAPITAL LETTERS as you wish to be rude Russ.

[Russ_Boston]

1. I didn't say the center is a bad thing
2. I didn't say I give a hoot as to whether or not the Morse's make money on it
3. I did say if you feel strongly about it then donate
4. I had life saving major surgery to replace my heart and the equipment was paid for in part by the $1.2 million that my insurance paid them. I have donated time to Heart charities as well as giving years worth of time to the MS association (no one in my family has MS) and other organizations......the request is still for a private marketing purpose and is still ludicrous. You can now use as many CAPITAL LETTERS as you wish to be rude Russ.

Sorry if you thought it was rude - that was not my intent - I apologize. The capital letters were to emphasize my main points. I know they mean 'to yell' in cyberspace but that was not what I wanted.

But why do you care if it is for private marketing purpose if you don't care that Morse makes money? Isn't that what the private purpose is that you are referring to? A guestion for you or anyone else who worries about Morse's motive: What if I told you that I had a plan that would make you 100K. But I then told you that I was making 1M from this same plan? Would you turn it down? (Assume everything is legal etc.)

Again I ask: If I'm wrong please provide more information about why I'm wrong. I'll read it and research it.

There is NO (there I go again) downside. If TV becomes more desirable because of Moffitt then maybe the demand for our homes remains high. That's a good thing for all of us including Morse. Not to mention the actual benefit by having the center in our own backyard.

My final post in this thread.

[villages07]

I do not routinely donate large sums to the big, national charities. They just seem to spend so much of their income on further fundraising while spending a relatively smaller percentage of funds on the cause/cure they were intended for. How many mailing labels, greeting cards, and calendars can one really use????

The whole concept of a world class Cancer center inside the Villages is awe-inspiring, even moreso now having heard the stories of many TOTV'ers and SteveFromNY's son.

I still intend to research their business plan and fundraising structure, but, definitely will send them a generous donation far beyond the per capita figures they have been discussing. It appears to me that the vast majority of funds raised will go directly to equipping/supporting the center and not to further fundraising. A good cause, indeed, with significant local impact.

[laryb]

We have a family friend in Florida who, after a flight up north 2 years ago, developed a huge mass in his leg. The doctors back home told him that it was a very rare type of cancer in it's later stages,and that the prognosis was not good. His own doctor consulted with a doctor in Boston who in turn referred him to a doctor at the Moffitt Center inTampa. They not only saved his leg, but he has been cancer free since and has continued with his landscaping business. I've had cancer twice myself, and luckily, it was very treatable, (and if there is such a thing, one of the better ones to have if you're going to get it) but I still have to go for tests yearly. Personally, to have a facility of that stature in TV would be fantastic. If the price of $64 PP is accurate, that's a small price to pay to me. I'd pay more just for the peace of mind and the convenience, and if the Morse's make out, I think I'm still coming out ahead.

[graciegirl]

Proud to know all of you.

[BigLew]

sorry I mistook emphasis for a cyber shout, as for the rest I refer you back to my points 1 & 2. I never said Morse making money on it was a concern, he's putting money up and will make a nice bit in return, that's called business.I dislike that the builder, working from a place of trust, asks the public to pay for his business venture. I did not say do not donate, I will repeat that for those who don't understand after the third repetition, please donate if you have emotional or moral ties to cancer, that is normal for any new health facility, but do not put amounts of imagined donations from every one of your customers (yes that is what we are, TV customers) in full paged ads as if it is a given that we will finance a private profitable enterprise (not for profit is far from non-profit) because you asked us to, like so many Stepford Wives.
it is that ad and only that ad and its presentation that is objectionable, its just not worth saying anything else on this subject.

[graciegirl]

Many of us are off campus and can't read the paper.

[2BNTV]

My mothers side of the family have died from cancer and my remaining aunt has had cancer but survive it, (she is 94).

From a personal perspective, I for one would be grateful to know that a cancer treatment is a short ride away rather than have to add an additional burden of having to travel 30 plus minutes.

Please don't jump on me but I thought one of the posts from a newspaper said "area" residents. TV residents are not the only ones to have to donate to this cancer center.

Maybe I'm missing something but I would not like to have to something like this happen to me and not have available resources close by. Isn't ones health more important than money?

Man plans, GOD laughs.

[BigLew]

Please don't jump on me but I thought one of the posts from a newspaper said "area" residents. TV residents are not the only ones to have to donate to this cancer center.


nobody "has to" donate.
The center will be built whether or not you donate.;)

[NJblue]

I never said Morse making money on it was a concern, he's putting money up and will make a nice bit in return, that's called business.I dislike that the builder, working from a place of trust, asks the public to pay for his business venture.
I'll admit that I have only perused this discussion, and perhaps I missed it, but, is there any proof that Morse will make any money on this? As I understand it, Moffett is a non-profit out of Tampa. It sounds like Morse has agreed to donate a building to have Moffett come to TV. It also appears that Morse is throwing his PR machine behind a drive to get additional donations to buy the expensive equipment that is needed.

What I have failed to see so far, is the linkage between our donations for equipment, and profits for Morse. Unless Morse is some sort of behind-the-scenes "owner" of the Moffett Center, can't his donations of building and PR effort be just that - donations? To me it sounds more akin to a rich person saying he will make a huge donation to a charity to match smaller donations made by the general public. Were Danny Thomas' motivations put to such scrutiny for what he did for St. Judes?

[pauld315]

we will finance a private profitable enterprise (not for profit is far from non-profit) because you asked us to, like so many Stepford Wives.
it is that ad and only that ad and its presentation that is objectionable, its just not worth saying anything else on this subject.

What is the difference between a not for profit and non profit organization ? When I go to Wikipedia, it provides one definition for both terms.

A non-profit organization (abbreviated as NPO, also known as a not-for-profit organization)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit_organization


Moffit's website clearly states they are a not for profit organization

http://www.moffitt.org/about

[Chi-Town]

From what I gather The Cancer Center that is being built as a second wing tower addition at the Sharon Morse Medical Office Building will be leased to the Central Florida Health Alliance.

[duffysmom]

:BigApplause:I consider it a privilege to contribute to the Moffitt Center; as for profits, anyone in need of treatment will profit. Kudos Mr. Morse, not only have you provided me with a lifestyle beyond my wildest dreams, you now provide me with the means to live a long and happy life. :BigApplause:

[graciegirl]

From what I gather The Cancer Center that is being built as a second wing tower addition at the Sharon Morse Medical Office Building will be leased to the Central Florida Health Alliance.

Is that the place targeted for the Moffitt Center? I have been mispelling Moffit. Central Florida Health Alliance (?!!)....Here in Cincinnati the names and "alliances" of hospitals keep being shifted around, it is so confusing, now Jewish hospital is owned by the Catholic something something. You have to be on your toes to know who is who and what is what.

[Chi-Town]

Is that the place targeted for the Moffitt Center? I have been mispelling Moffit. Central Florida Health Alliance (?!!)....Here in Cincinnati the names and "alliances" of hospitals keep being shifted around, it is so confusing, now Jewish hospital is owned by the Catholic something something. You have to be on your toes to know who is who and what is what.
Yes graciegirl, the cancer-care centers (The Villages and Leesburg) will be a partnership with Moffitt and the Central Florida Health Alliance which consists of Leesburg Regional Medical Center and The Villages Health System.

[BigLew]

I'll admit that I have only perused this discussion, and perhaps I missed it, but, is there any proof that Morse will make any money on this? As I understand it, Moffett is a non-profit out of Tampa. It sounds like Morse has agreed to donate a building to have Moffett come to TV. It also appears that Morse is throwing his PR machine behind a drive to get additional donations to buy the expensive equipment that is needed.

What I have failed to see so far, is the linkage between our donations for equipment, and profits for Morse. Unless Morse is some sort of behind-the-scenes "owner" of the Moffett Center, can't his donations of building and PR effort be just that - donations? To me it sounds more akin to a rich person saying he will make a huge donation to a charity to match smaller donations made by the general public. Were Danny Thomas' motivations put to such scrutiny for what he did for St. Judes?

then peruse more carefully because yes, you missed it. And to those who keep thinking that non profit means they don't make money, non profit does not mean that you can't give multimillion dollar bonuses to the board chilout

[graciegirl]

then peruse more carefully because yes, you missed it. And to those who keep thinking that non profit means they don't make money, non profit does not mean that you can't give multimillion dollar bonuses to the board chilout

And...lest we miss the point here. We will have a cancer center associated with Moffit that we don't have to drive to Tampa to use.

When it is your life you are talking about, you want the best treatment money can buy.

And hoping not to be insensitive to your post Lew, I do care that people aren't goudging me, but I expect for money to be made on most things I use.

[NJblue]

then peruse more carefully because yes, you missed it. And to those who keep thinking that non profit means they don't make money, non profit does not mean that you can't give multimillion dollar bonuses to the board chilout

OK, maybe my perusal skills are not as good as yours, but other than allegations that Morse will make money on this, is there any proof that he will. Even if Moffett makes money, does that mean that Morse will make money? Please point to the specific post that proves this point.

[barb1191]

OK, maybe my perusal skills are not as good as yours, but other than allegations that Morse will make money on this, is there any proof that he will. Even if Moffett makes money, does that mean that Morse will make money? Please point to the specific post that proves this point.

The developer is not donating the building, he's leasing the building to Moffit et al. Leasing is obviously big profits to the developer. Just to clarify is all this means to me and not to belittle the developer.

[NJblue]

The developer is not donating the building, he's leasing the building to Moffit et al. Leasing is obviously big profits to the developer. Just to clarify is all this means to me and not to belittle the developer.
In which post was this established? Depending upon the terms, leasing may or may not be big profits. Unless you are privy to the contract, you really can't tell how profitable it may be. But, how does this translate to profits for the developer for the equipment that is to be donated? Isn't that the crux of the argument here? That is, some question why they should donate for the purchase of the equipment if the developer will be making money on the use of the equipment.

[Chi-Town]

Here is a link to an article from the Daily Commercial which is a newspaper that serves Lake and Sumter Counties. Pretty detailed information.

http://www.dailycommercial.com/localnews/story/073010Moffitt-

[SALYBOW]

:doh:
I am glad to read all the new info on this issue. When I thought of the Moffitt Center as a for profit treatment center, I felt that asking the residents to chip in was a bit much, especially when you divide $6.4 million by 80,000. Coming from a condo assn. I was afraid it might be an assessment. :22yikes: Now I learned that there is a foundation being established and events are being planned to raise the money. This is a legitimate, in fact an intelligent way to raise the money.
I may be in the minority that feels that if the Morse family earned their money by legitimate means, I feel no envy. America was founded as a capatalistic economy. I am so pleased that they created rhis type of lifestyle for us, and they keep it affordable for most, that I don't begrudge them a dime. I imagine since the toll that cancer has taken on their family this project is very close to their hearts.
In Cincinnati I worked with The Tri Health foundation to improve patient care in many areas. I will gladly do what I can here as well. Cincinnati also has a family that was in to every thing and made money hand over fist. This family also does many altruistic projects. I don't know of anyone who holds it against them that they are all on the richest people in Cincy list every year.
I thank God often for people who share their wealth for the common good. :angel:OK, off my soap box.:duck:

[graciegirl]

:doh:
I am glad to read all the new info on this issue. When I thought of the Moffitt Center as a for profit treatment center, I felt that asking the residents to chip in was a bit much, especially when you divide $6.4 million by 80,000. Coming from a condo assn. I was afraid it might be an assessment. :22yikes: Now I learned that there is a foundation being established and events are being planned to raise the money. This is a legitimate, in fact an intelligent way to raise the money.
I may be in the minority that feels that if the Morse family earned their money by legitimate means, I feel no envy. America was founded as a capatalistic economy. I am so pleased that they created rhis type of lifestyle for us, and they keep it affordable for most, that I don't begrudge them a dime. I imagine since the toll that cancer has taken on their family this project is very close to their hearts.
In Cincinnati I worked with The Tri Health foundation to improve patient care in many areas. I will gladly do what I can here as well. Cincinnati also has a family that was in to every thing and made money hand over fist. This family also does many altruistic projects. I don't know of anyone who holds it against them that they are all on the richest people in Cincy list every year.
I thank God often for people who share their wealth for the common good. :angel:OK, off my soap box.:duck:

Sal, You are a treasure. I am heading down that way to hug you on the tenth of October.

[Number 6]

Way back in post #1 I thought that Mr. Morse was going to truly devleop the cancer center to avoid CFHA having to file a CON. Now I just don't know, and CFHA is not replying to my requests for information. By develop, I mean finance and own the facility. He would therefor be able to bill and collect patient revenue. If the demographics are what I think they are, it is a very profitible enterprise. If he is, in fact, leasing space to CFHA and they are the owners, that is a different story somewhat. Mr. Morse will be able to collect rent (at fair market value) and whe will turn a fair profit. No problem there. If the equipment is donated to CFHA, then they will save about $125,000 per month in expenses. The center will be very profitable for CFHA. I do notice that the developer of the Leesburg facility is not asking for any donations as of yet.
I have not heard of CFHA filing for a CON (certificate of need) for either facillity.
Let's just see how this plays out.

[Russ_Boston]

I said I wasn't going to comment further on this but..


Huh? You don't really think Morse is collecting patient revenue do you? Moffitt is the cancer center (not their first rodeo). Morse is the lessor, nothing more. Moffitt is the lessee.

I'd be astonished if it were anything different.

[SALYBOW]

Sal, You are a treasure. I am heading down that way to hug you on the tenth of October.

Can't wait to finally meet you. :pepper2:

[Number 6]

Russ, not to be hypertechnical, but Moffitt is not the lessee, CFHA is, I think. But that is really my question. I wish someone would make this clear. As I said, I thought they were going the private development route to avoid having to file a CON. We shall see.

[Russ_Boston]

Yes I stand corrected. I think it is a joint venture.