Anyone else read about the Tea Party

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woman who won the Republican senate primary in Deleware? Apparently she defaulted on her mortgage, failed to pay some of her taxes, and defaulted on her student loans. She also spent a good part of the 80's crusading for sexual abstinence. I guess the only good thing for the GOP is that by comparison, even Palin looks better than her.

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actor, please allow me to make an observation about your post without sounding critical. There are several facts you should double check in the information you submitted. The least of which is the fact that she is a Republican nominee for the open US Senate in Delaware, not Rhode Island.

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Oh, good. I see you caught error. God knows Rhode Island has enough problems without giving them anymore.

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woman who won the Republican senate primary in Deleware? Apparently she defaulted on her mortgage, failed to pay some of her taxes, and defaulted on her student loans. She also spent a good part of the 80's crusading for sexual abstinence. I guess the only good thing for the GOP is that by comparison, even Palin looks better than her.

She has a couple of issues and I'm sure they'll be addressed in the near future, but who's perfect? The fact is that the choice for a Republican Senate candidate was easy when you looked at the record of liberal Republican Mike Castle and his voting record and his association with George Soros etc., etc.
Read an article by brilliant conservative columnist Michelle Malkin and educate yourself to why the Deleware Republican electorate rejected a 10th Senate run for Mike Castle.

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/09/13/the-de-senate-gop-primary-castle-soros-a-health-advisory/

In looking further I see that Christine O'Donnell took nine years to pay off her student loans. This is a story? Here is more education on the Senate Candidate, who if nothing else, is not the dyed in the wool liberal that is Mike Castle.

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2010/09/christine-odonnell-not-perfect-but-not-a-liberal-incumbent-either/

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woman who won the Republican senate primary in Deleware? Apparently she defaulted on her mortgage, failed to pay some of her taxes, and defaulted on her student loans. She also spent a good part of the 80's crusading for sexual abstinence. I guess the only good thing for the GOP is that by comparison, even Palin looks better than her.

I am desperately searching for a point in this post. What is it ? Please explain what you intended with this post ?

If you ignore our Presidents chronic smoking, and drinking beer...ignore his 20 year assocation with a man we know as Jeremiah Wright...ignore his "shady" at best associations in his past...ignore his arrogance and self serving agenda, then why would you get your self in an uproar over that you posted ?

It makes no sense...what are your priorities may I ask...without knowing any facts, I see you are upset because she had financial problems and was a christian. What in the world is your intent ?

PS.....I am assuming that your next post will be about Charlie Rangel....assuming this is not party drivel and you really care about anything beyond your party

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liars, cheaters, tax evaders, deal makers, lechers and whackos, what is the problem?
The opposition gets all cranked up when a real person (or any other threat) shows up.

And what bothers the establishment most of all is an outsider. One who does not know why things in Washington are the way they are and is not beholding to anybody with a bunch of you owe me chits.

Throw all the rocks y'all can gather it is time to oust the establishment and the likes of Odonnel could be just what the doctor ordered.

I find it quite entertaining to watch the cronies of both parties begin to quake when they see there is a real threat to their power base on the horizon.

We the people are finally waking up. And hopefully partisanship goes the way of the cronies, so some can use their capabilities for the good of we the people and not just blindly follow the party patter.

Having hired much corporate talent in my day, the most successful performers were ALWAYS the ones who were from the outside and had the insatiable use of the magic word WHY? That is what Odonnel and the others to come like her will bring.

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about her being a Christian? People on this forum continually blast liberals for all sorts of shortcomings. When the shoe is on the other foot, they get very sensitive. I happen to believe that someone who has been derelict in paying taxes and student loans is someone whose character is questionable. Add that to the fact that she's a tea party supporter and those who support the tea party are supposed to be fiscally responsible, and it seems hypocritical.

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about her being a Christian? People on this forum continually blast liberals for all sorts of shortcomings. When the shoe is on the other foot, they get very sensitive. I happen to believe that someone who has been derelict in paying taxes and student loans is someone whose character is questionable. Add that to the fact that she's a tea party supporter and those who support the tea party are supposed to be fiscally responsible, and it seems hypocritical.

You know,your disgust and attitude about this forum is really really messing up any kind of logic you may have.

I thought your comment about preaching on "spent a good part of the 80's crusading for sexual abstinence." was reflecting on her christian ideals...you will have to further explain why this upsets you so much then because that is what I got out of it.....you take a different view I assume ?

This was your second criticism and you only had two that I saw...."Apparently she defaulted on her mortgage, failed to pay some of her taxes, and defaulted on her student loans." I was under the impression that the President of the United States applauded folks almost every day for pulling themselves up from problems....is that not right ?

Now....I also will assume since this lady was the subject of your wrath for the two reasons you gave and I quoted that you support Mr Rangel who writes the tax codes with his tax evasions ? That seems quite strange to me...a young lady who just won the nomination is upsetting you for fiscal problems, but Rangel does not...hmmmmm...go figure !

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nothing more than to see Rangle defeated. I'm hoping that the House censures him, etc. It doesn't really upset me that she crusaded for sexual abstinence. It does however amuse me that she equated masturbation with adultery.

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actor, seriously, I have tried to find information about the accusations against her. Can you give me the links to the information you provided about Christine O'Donnell.

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actor, seriously, I have tried to find information about the accusations against her. Can you give me the links to the information you provided about Christine O'Donnell.

today. All you have to do is google her with some key words attached to her name and you will see many news stories and an interesting wikipedia article. These aren't all liberal news outlets doing a hatchet job either.

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No, I mean were you able to find any evidence to back up the things you said about her.

I found this. The video was on the Rachel Maddow show. I wish I could find the original MTV show that she was on when she was what, 16? :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2GkMNCNvBQ

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her taxes, student loans and mortgage was reported on CNN and other outlets today. I'm sure if you do a little digging, you can find everything you want to know.

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I'm not the one that posted this actor. I just wish you had dug a little more before you posted is all I'm saying. I guess it's just my personality to ask questions and not believe everything I read without looking a little deeper.

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And btw, while I'm digging, what taxes is she suppose to have not paid?

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I'm not the one that posted this actor. I just wish you had dug a little more before you posted is all I'm saying. I guess it's just my personality to ask questions and not believe everything I read without looking a little deeper.

and look. It's all there.

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And btw, while I'm digging, what taxes is she suppose to have not paid?

check out this article on themoderatevoice.com

http://themoderatevoice.com/85438/what-in-gods-name-are-conservatives-supporting-christine-odonnell-for/

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nothing more than to see Rangle defeated. I'm hoping that the House censures him, etc. It doesn't really upset me that she crusaded for sexual abstinence. It does however amuse me that she equated masturbation with adultery.

It sure did upset you....you posted it on a political forum as some sort of indicator at least in your mind, and again....why did you post it at all is my question....will you be on here posting for every candidate in the next month and half that has accusations hurled at them ?

Wow..you are sure going to be busy...let me give you some advice....have links and proof before you start to throw stones...not political jive ! If you have an opinion, state it...and I am still not sure what your opinion is...you simply came on here, picked one winning candidate and threw a few stones. I know you feel this forum is slanted but you do know, I assume that Democrats are in power in every branch of government and that they have controlled congress now for over FOUR years and we are in trouble. Yes, I am afraid that would equate to criticizing them,

Then when you add a President who has not told the truth (Please do yourself a favor and dont challenge that one..think transparency...think no pork..think no politics) you have a situation that would allow for folks to be upset with the people in power.

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check out this article on themoderatevoice.com

http://themoderatevoice.com/85438/what-in-gods-name-are-conservatives-supporting-christine-odonnell-for/

Thank you actor. That is what I meant.

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about her being a Christian? People on this forum continually blast liberals for all sorts of shortcomings. When the shoe is on the other foot, they get very sensitive. I happen to believe that someone who has been derelict in paying taxes and student loans is someone whose character is questionable. Add that to the fact that she's a tea party supporter and those who support the tea party are supposed to be fiscally responsible, and it seems hypocritical.

Really ? it was reported last week by the Washington Post that 41 aides at the White House owe over 800K in back taxes and that there is 9.3 million in back taxes due from employee working on Capitol Hill. Also, it certainly didn't seem to be too big a deal when the Dems confirmed Geithner to be, of all things, in charge of Treasury.

Are you saying all of this is OK because this administration never purported itself to be fiscally responsible ?

Maybe you should find out why she was late with taxes and student loans before condemning her.

You liberals are oh so compassionate.

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woman who won the Republican senate primary in Deleware? Apparently she defaulted on her mortgage, failed to pay some of her taxes, and defaulted on her student loans. She also spent a good part of the 80's crusading for sexual abstinence. I guess the only good thing for the GOP is that by comparison, even Palin looks better than her.

I think that it is very fortunate that the Democrat that she is going to be running against is an avowed and admitted Marxist.

I wonder who will be the worst candidate. One with a questionable background or one with a well-known background.

Yoda

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Yoda those are wise words. Of course I would expect nothing less from you.

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Isn't questionable a planted word to conveniently categorize this person.
What has been released about her past thus far as negative does not even raise a blip on any scale of ethics that measures the incumbents in Washington. And like Rangle, they manage to get re-elected.

Let's just watch in the coming weeks how she handles herself. Even today I think she did well by honestly responding that, to paraphrase, I had the courage to speak up and defend what I believed. That was then, I was 20, I am now 40 and I will stand and defend what I believe.

Well handled in my opinion.

I just do not believe the dems will risk too much stone throwing from their glass houses.

btk

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I think that it is very fortunate that the Democrat that she is going to be running against is an avowed and admitted Marxist.

I wonder who will be the worst candidate. One with a questionable background or one with a well-known background.

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please post a link supporting or substantiate in some way your position that Coons ia an avowed Marxist. I'd be interested in reading more on this. Thanks.

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please post a link supporting or substantiate in some way your position that Coons ia an avowed Marxist. I'd be interested in reading more on this. Thanks.


I assume the below would carry as much weight as all the other things you seem to care about...maybe not ! It goes back in time...but oh, thats ok with you....

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36726.html

An article Democrat Chris Coons wrote for his college newspaper may not go over so well in corporation-friendly Delaware, where he already faces an uphill battle for Vice President Joe Biden’s old Senate seat.

The title? “Chris Coons: The Making of a Bearded Marxist.”


"“My friends now joke that something about Kenya, maybe the strange diet, or the tropical sun, changed my personality; Africa to them seems a catalytic converter that takes in clean-shaven, clear-thinking Americans and sends back bearded Marxists,” Coons wrote, noting that at one time he had been a “proud founding member of the Amherst College Republicans.”

“[I]t is only too easy to return from Africa glad to be American and smugly thankful for our wealth and freedom,” added Coons. “Instead, Amherst had taught me to question, so in turn I questioned Amherst, and America.”

Dave Hoffman, a Coons campaign spokesman, said the title of the article was designed as a humorous take-off on a joke Coons’s college friends had made about how his time outside the country had affected his outlook.

Hoffman said the trip to Kenya helped lead to Coons’s decision to become a Democrat. "

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I would also hope that this might give some credence to my message to you...FORGET THE PARTY. They ALL have skeletons in their closet, Dem or Rep......look for what is best for this country ! Stop spreading the party message and look at both sides !

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The current liberal media outrage at the election of O'Donnell is just the latest tactic by the liberal media, which has become an arm of the Democrat party, to minimize the effect of the Tea Party backed Republicans by labeling them as some sort of wacko. If they can say this often enough before November they hope it gets some traction in the mind of the uniformed voter. The Democrats desperately need scads of uniformed voters.

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I assume the below would carry as much weight as all the other things you seem to care about...maybe not ! It goes back in time...but oh, thats ok with you....

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36726.html

An article Democrat Chris Coons wrote for his college newspaper may not go over so well in corporation-friendly Delaware, where he already faces an uphill battle for Vice President Joe Biden’s old Senate seat.

The title? “Chris Coons: The Making of a Bearded Marxist.”


"“My friends now joke that something about Kenya, maybe the strange diet, or the tropical sun, changed my personality; Africa to them seems a catalytic converter that takes in clean-shaven, clear-thinking Americans and sends back bearded Marxists,” Coons wrote, noting that at one time he had been a “proud founding member of the Amherst College Republicans.”

“[I]t is only too easy to return from Africa glad to be American and smugly thankful for our wealth and freedom,” added Coons. “Instead, Amherst had taught me to question, so in turn I questioned Amherst, and America.”

Dave Hoffman, a Coons campaign spokesman, said the title of the article was designed as a humorous take-off on a joke Coons’s college friends had made about how his time outside the country had affected his outlook.

Hoffman said the trip to Kenya helped lead to Coons’s decision to become a Democrat. "




and he went from an avowed conservative to a Democrat. Gee, what an awful thing. Certainly worse than not meeting your obligation to pay your taxes, student loans, your mortgage, previous campaign debts, outstanding college bills for 12 years after leaving school, and more. More of her financial shenanigans will emerge I'm sure.

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this time from the Weekly Standard, a very conservative publication.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/citing-mental-anguish-christine-odonnell-sought-69-million-gender-discrimination-lawsuit-again?page=2

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"I would also hope that this might give some credence to my message to you...FORGET THE PARTY. They ALL have skeletons in their closet, Dem or Rep......look for what is best for this country ! Stop spreading the party message and look at both sides !"

Instead of defending or denegrating one party or the other, formulate what YOU think is right, then proceed accordingly. The old school "establishment" thinking just does not work anymore. Both parties need a flushing that is why elect no incumbents is not a party thrust but a message to the establishment.

Try it. You will like it. It does take more effort to formulate one's own sincere beliefs and then fit them to a candidate or a party or parties. Parroting party lines does not work....either party. And we the people are FINALLY figuring that out.

btk

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Here's my take on the Delaware Senate race.

I can see the points made by many in the Republican Party who didn't want Christine O'Donnell to win because of her chances of beating Coons don't seem very likely.

What the Republicans don't seem to get is that the people are fed up with the establishment. They voted on principal and not party.

She has the chance to take away a Senate seat that has been anointed by the Dems as their own and it is being held for Joe Biden's son, much like the Kennedy throne.

The Democrats, with Harry Reid in the lead, want Coons (whom Reid called "his pet," a very liberal Progressive to have this seat and they will slander, whine, twist and shout about anyone in their way in order to get that seat.

Coons and his family business, W.L. Gore and Associates (his stepfather is the chairman and his mother is an executive), has received millions of taxpayers money for their business because of earmarks from Joe Biden. (see link below).

Keep in mind he is the County Executive.

On January 08, 2010 President Obama awarded $2.3 billion of the economic stimulus money for new clean-tech manufacturing jobs. Guess who got a chunk of our money, Building Efficiency and Energy Management - W.L. Gore & Associates, Inc. "is producing an advanced membrane for high efficiency fuel cells for buildings and vehicles. The company’s products can help enable lower-cost fuel cells for use in electric vehicles or to power homes and businesses. They are also manufacturing an advanced turbine filter to improve the performance of gas turbines to produce greater outputs at lower cost and reduce greenhouse gas emissions."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/president-obama-awards-23-billion-new-clean-tech-manufacturing-jobs



I hope she does win for several reasons. I hope she wins to gain a conservative voice in the Senate and she defeats another Progressive whose goals are to socialize this country and destroy the US Constitution. And I hope she wins to show all of Washington that the American public is fed up with party politics and business as usual in Washington.

Coons is a Progressive.

Say what you want about someone having a tough time with their taxes or their college tuition payments. O'Donnell was raised in a family with with 1 brother and 4 sisters. The girls shared a bedroom and their dad worked three jobs to support the family. Maybe she wasn't born with a silver spoon in her mouth and a trustfund to pay for her education. Maybe she's made some horrible mistakes. Who hasn't.

Everybody can scream and talk all they want to about stopping the lobbyists and special interest from controlling Washington. Coons is a career Washinton Lobbyist with an Ivy League education. It just seems like you are talking out of both sides of your mouth when you turn around and assaut and insult an American with financial issues who is trying to get elected to public office in this free country.

I thought that was part of what makes this country great. Does anyone else think is is strange that she gets beaten up by any liberal when she is an ordinary person who has faced every problem Obama and the Progressives say they are trying to fix...mortgage problems, banking problems, student loan problems, financial difficulties...you name it, the issues she is being criticized for having are the very issues liberals and Progressives say they are taking our money to correct. So should be the poster child for the Progressives.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:uljV7rNr1kEJ:php.delawareonline.com/state/requests.php%3Frecipient%3D%26legislator%3DBiden%2 6description%3D+W.+L.+Gore+biden&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a


http://blogs.babble.com/famecrawler/2010/09/14/christine-odonnell-my-father-worked-three-jobs-now-under-fire-for-financial-woes/

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that means you want to destroy the constitution. That's one of the problems with people on the far right or the far left. You are prone to extreme hyperbole and actually believe these statements.

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So actor, do you consider yourself a Progressive?

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and he went from an avowed conservative to a Democrat. Gee, what an awful thing. Certainly worse than not meeting your obligation to pay your taxes, student loans, your mortgage, previous campaign debts, outstanding college bills for 12 years after leaving school, and more. More of her financial shenanigans will emerge I'm sure.


You are truly one of the party faithful. They will and should be proud of your allegiance !!

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So actor, do you consider yourself a Progressive?

consider myself progressive, however, on most I'm a moderate. I was a lifelong liberal who voted for GWB in 04 and McCain in 08. My least favorite president ever is Carter. Clinton is my favorite. As I've gotten older I'm becoming more conservative. I really dislike extremes on both sides. Leftwingers who think Bush was behind 9/11 and the Iraq war in order to enhance Cheney's portfolio, as well as birthers who believe Obama is a Muslim who wants to destroy the constitution.

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Wasn't it just last week that one of the political-thread regulars begged "liberals" to post here. Oh, please "liberals," please post on political. We won't attack you. Scouts honor. Why if anyone tries, I'll rush to your defense. Please "liberals," oh, please, please, "liberals," please post here.
Was this poster just trying to bait "liberals" so regulars could rush to criticize and "re-educate" them. :confused:



Surely not.


Then along comes Actor with criticism of O'Donnell. and wham!


And my first thought was, gee, of all the politicians, I'm surprised some of the regulars here like O'Donnell. Why? Because they are, um, because they are, um, ok are you ready?



Because they are master baiters. :1rotfl:

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Wasn't it just last week that one of the political-thread regulars begged "liberals" to post here. Oh, please "liberals," please post on political. We won't attack you. Scouts honor. Why if anyone tries, I'll rush to your defense. Please "liberals," oh, please, please, "liberals," please post here.
Was this poster just trying to bait "liberals" so regulars could rush to criticize and "re-educate" them. :confused:



Surely not.


Then along comes Actor with criticism of O'Donnell. and wham!


And my first thought was, gee, of all the politicians, I'm surprised some of the regulars here like O'Donnell. Why? Because they are, um, because they are, um, ok are you ready?



Because they are master baiters. :1rotfl:

Your point is well taken, EXCEPT for the obscene reference at the end !!!

I was the one you refer to and I believe that there were in fact a few good discussions created by and sustained by those who are somewhat liberal (PLEASE, as in life do not expect everyone to agree with you).

I questioned the motivation behind the post, and in fact DID NOT DEFEND Ms O'Donnell..I simply wanted to know why it was posted.

I think your last line, the obscene reference is validation for the fact that many cannot come on here without either criticizing the posters, the forum, or making a crude remark in a feeble attempt at humor.

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Regardless the party. So why is there the continuing insistence to debate EVERYTHING in terms of one party or the other?

So she trumped the establishment. Good for her. She is a real person....at this point.

Now let's just watch how the opposition, another establishment cronie does against her. Of course the DNC and the dem candidate will dig into the fly specs of her past to discredit her.

Let's demand a full disclosure of his past back to when he was 20 something as well as his cronism/establishment track record.

He knows why things should stay the same.....business as usual in Washington.....she does not.

btk

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Hi Bucco,

It was an attempt at levity. I'm a big fan of the double entendre, although admittedly they are often "off color," as was my "feeble" one here. I'm sorry it offended you, and sorry if it offended others too. I often try to be funny and often don't succeed.

P

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It was a limp attempt P. You petered out on that joke. Sorry.

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It was a limp attempt P. You petered out on that joke. Sorry.

Good ones, BK. ;)

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Wasn't it just last week that one of the political-thread regulars begged "liberals" to post here. Oh, please "liberals," please post on political. We won't attack you. Scouts honor. Why if anyone tries, I'll rush to your defense. Please "liberals," oh, please, please, "liberals," please post here.
Was this poster just trying to bait "liberals" so regulars could rush to criticize and "re-educate" them. :confused:



Surely not.


Then along comes Actor with criticism of O'Donnell. and wham!


And my first thought was, gee, of all the politicians, I'm surprised some of the regulars here like O'Donnell. Why? Because they are, um, because they are, um, ok are you ready?



Because they are master baiters. :1rotfl:

As I understand, your post is meant in a humorous way, but to give a serious response I'd like to point out that the original post was a personal attack and continued vilification of Christine O'Donnell by Actor. All responses to his original personal attacks on O'Donnell, which were nothing of policy or substance but just an attack on her an her character, were in the way of showing that she won because of the extremely flawed Republican that is Mike Castle; meaning he is a liberal at best. All subsequent responses by Actor were continued personal attacks and not a view of the election in any sense with any reflection on the mood of the electorate.
To repeat; all personal attacks were directed at Christine O'Donnell in this post and all political explanations were given by TOTV conservatives. I don't really see one personal attack on Actor, do you?

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As I understand, your post is meant in a humorous way, but to give a serious response I'd like to point out that the original post was a personal attack and continued vilification of Christine O'Donnell by Actor. All responses to his original personal attacks on O'Donnell, which were nothing of policy or substance but just an attack on her an her character, were in the way of showing that she won because of the extremely flawed Republican that is Mike Castle; meaning he is a liberal at best. All subsequent responses by Actor were continued personal attacks and not a view of the election in any sense with any reflection on the mood of the electorate.
To repeat; all personal attacks were directed at Christine O'Donnell in this post and all political explanations were given by TOTV conservatives. I don't really see one personal attack on Actor, do you?


You could call my posts AN ATTACK I suppose, but not meant to be...being more sarcastic than anything because it just struck me as somewhat crazy to simply come on and post, what I guess comes from Dem talking points because I cannot FATHOM a reason to post what was posted.

If it was taken as a personal attack, Iam sorry

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and he went from an avowed conservative to a Democrat. Gee, what an awful thing. Certainly worse than not meeting your obligation to pay your taxes, student loans, your mortgage, previous campaign debts, outstanding college bills for 12 years after leaving school, and more. More of her financial shenanigans will emerge I'm sure.

it seems to me that her "financial shenanigans"were well known to the electorate prior to the primary. I agree that she is going to have to handle this. But there is no way that it is a dealbreaker. The people do not want to elect someone who is going to vote for every spending bill that the Democrats and Pres. can come up with.

Yoda

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I may have to thank Actor for starting this thread, because as I'm reading about O'Donnell I'm liking her more and more. Even this article in Politico made me smile.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42348.html

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As I understand, your post is meant in a humorous way, but to give a serious response I'd like to point out that the original post was a personal attack and continued vilification of Christine O'Donnell by Actor. All responses to his original personal attacks on O'Donnell, which were nothing of policy or substance but just an attack on her an her character, were in the way of showing that she won because of the extremely flawed Republican that is Mike Castle; meaning he is a liberal at best. All subsequent responses by Actor were continued personal attacks and not a view of the election in any sense with any reflection on the mood of the electorate.
To repeat; all personal attacks were directed at Christine O'Donnell in this post and all political explanations were given by TOTV conservatives. I don't really see one personal attack on Actor, do you?

as a personal attack when someone posts information you consider negative about one of far right's candidates. When you and your fellow conservatives slander the President, or Speaker Pelosi, it's ok. Once again, you show how hypocritical you are.

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When you and your fellow conservatives slander the President, or Speaker Pelosi, it's ok. Once again, you show how hypocritical you are.

http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/S/Slander.aspx
The US Supreme Court defined slander as:
"... slander ... may be divided into five classes, as follows: (1.) Words falsely spoken of a person which impute to the party the commission of some criminal offence involving moral turpitude, for which the party, if the charge is true, may be indicted and punished. (2.) Words falsely spoken of a person which impute that the party is infected with some contagious disease, where, if the charge is true, it would exclude the party from society; or (3.) Defamatory words falsely spoken of a person, which impute to the party unfitness to perform the duties of an office or employment of profit, or the want of integrity in the discharge of the duties of such an office or employment. (4.) Defamatory words falsely spoken of a party which prejudice such party in his or her profession or trade. (5.) Defamatory words falsely spoken of a person, which, though not in themselves actionable, occasion the party special damage.
"Certain words, all admit, are in themselves actionable, because the natural consequence of what they impute to the party is damage, as if they import a charge that the party has been guilty of a criminal offence involving moral turpitude, or that the party is infected with a contagious distemper, or if they are prejudicial in a pecuniary sense to a person in office or to a person engaged as a livelihood in a profession or trade; but in all other cases the party who brings an action for words must show the damage he or she has suffered by the false speaking of the other party."

Sorry, Honestly haven't seen any SLANDER of POTUS or Speaker.

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It attempts to categorize any disagreement or non support of the party or it's issues as something bad/negative.

One can disagree and be wrong but if that is what they believe that is what they believe.....slander....I don't think anything in this forum has ever qualified for such an allegation.

btk

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as a personal attack when someone posts information you consider negative about one of far right's candidates. When you and your fellow conservatives slander the President, or Speaker Pelosi, it's ok. Once again, you show how hypocritical you are.

Again the personal attack comes from the Liberal; you. Show me one post I've made that is slanderous of the President. I've never posted anything about him except for ideological or policy disputes.


P.S. Thanks for the slander primer you posted; I appreciate it and hope the meaning of these words are not lost on the intended reader.

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I may have to thank Actor for starting this thread, because as I'm reading about O'Donnell I'm liking her more and more. Even this article in Politico made me smile.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42348.html

Read this.

www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/odonnell-mice-human-brains/

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Also, slander is usually not something you can bring charges against if it deals with a public figure unless it is done with "actual malice" The Supreme Court ruled on this in 1964 in the case New York Times v Sullivan.

Actual malice means that the person making the statement knew the statement to be false, or issued the statement with reckless disregard as to its truth.

I knew those various Business Law courses I had to take in college would come in handy someday :)

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OK, I read it. It's a leftist blog, but I read it. I didn't read anything in there that has anything to do with how Miss O'Donnell would perform as Senator based on these allegations. I read a mocking of her moral beliefs. I guess that's enough for the pickers of straws.

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OK, I read it. It's a leftist blog, but I read it. I didn't read anything in there that has anything to do with how Miss O'Donnell would perform as Senator based on these allegations. I read a mocking of her moral beliefs. I guess that's enough for the pickers of straws.

this.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42141.html

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this.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42141.html

I guess we'll have to see how this all shakes out. If there's validity to Murray's tale then I'm sure it'll be picked up by the major media outlets and aired. If it the action of a disgruntled worker, that may come out, or this tale will be largely ignored.
In the end it'll be her against the self-described "bearded Marxist". I have an idea how this is going to turn out.

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enough to sort out the oppositions increasing efforts to discredit her. However, they should hold their own to the same standard (:1rotfl:).

I think she has a very good chance to win. If the reasons for voting for a person are to vote for her because the other guy is unacceptable (you know the standard used when so many did not vote for McCain) then she surely will win.

This will be a contest of the establishment VS whoever is running.
We know that if Christ just won the primary there would be all kinds of smear being put up.....eh?
Watch what they do not what they say.

btk

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$9.3 million in overdue taxes owed:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/09/AR2010090907023.html

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$9.3 million in overdue taxes owed:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/09/AR2010090907023.html

This is incredible in it's content and the fact that it was posted 5 minutes after BillyTheKid postes about such a scenario.
The people who write the laws and sic the IRS on the American public are significantly in tax arrears. You can't make this stuff up.
Good post BK.

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I guess we'll have to see how this all shakes out. If there's validity to Murray's tale then I'm sure it'll be picked up by the major media outlets and aired. If it the action of a disgruntled worker, that may come out, or this tale will be largely ignored.
In the end it'll be her against the self-described "bearded Marxist". I have an idea how this is going to turn out.

tongue in cheek reference, and you know it. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. You think she's a good candidate who would be an asset to the country as a US senator. I think she is a nutcase and pathological liar who has been derelict in meeting her financial responsibilities, among many other things that have been included in recent press reports in both the liberal as well as conservative press.

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tongue in cheek reference, and you know it. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. You think she's a good candidate who would be an asset to the country as a US senator. I think she is a nutcase and pathological liar who has been derelict in meeting her financial responsibilities, among many other things that have been included in recent press reports in both the liberal as well as conservative press.

I really only think she has to be better than Coons. A conservative, albeit one with issues, has to be better than a dyed-in-the-wool progressive liberal to help win back the America I used to know. This is where we really differ, I imagine; because I think you'd like Obama's vision to continue and I'd like to reverse it a.s.a.p.

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the liars, the thieves (like Rangle), the lechers, the tax evaders, etc are OK?

If you would use the same microscope you (borrowed from the media et al) and used it on the incumbents....how many would get an OK from you (the media et al)?

Just google last weeks efforts by the WH, Obama and the media to discredit John Boehner. He has been around for some time so why is he, too also a target of the current administrations wagging tongue and finger?

BECAUSE HE TOO IS A THREAT.

Y'all are entitled, however, what is becoming more obvious as each day goes by, anything or anybody that is a threat to the current establishment (either party) but especially the current congress and WH occupants....it matters not who or what the person is or has done....the objective is to dis-credit.

What happened to running and defending on current accomplishments as a reason for being counted. Since the WH is light on that category it is not used in any of the campaigning.

Yes it is normal politics, but significantly more amplified and abused by the current administration. Business as usual.

btk

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that I wish Rangle had been defeated, and it would be fine with me if he is expelled from the House. In all fairness, this administration does nothing that prior administrations haven't done to discredit the opposition. Is the system broken? Yes it is. Do I want to see changes? Yes I do. As I've said before, I'm not a fan of the extremists in either party.