The New Unrealistic CDC Rules Everyone is Talking About

[OmniTours]

The New Unrealistic CDC Rules Everyone is Talking About

The CDC has a lot of explaining to do! In the new guidelines released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the agency speaks about some measures that will restrict, eliminate, and hinder many of the things that cruise fans hold dear.



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[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'm seeing some older rules, from when cruise lines hadn't been shut down completely yet. I'm also seeing a new rule about masks that was implemented just 2 days ago.

At least not that I've been able to see on the CDC website under news.

Here's the CDC's page, the top new thing dated May 5 is to say that there are new guidelines that allow cruise ships to start simulated voyages, to test out the mechanics of getting everyone sailing again.

Cruise Ship Guidance
| Quarantine | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/cruise/index.html)

If you follow the various links, you learn that all the OTHER rules were implemented when people were still totally unprotected on ships, and some cruiselines were still taking no precautions at all.

I'm not finding anything new other than the guideline for the simulated voyages (which means - not actual voyages).

[billethkid]

Require vaccinated crew and passengers and cut the BS!

[Stu from NYC]

Require vaccinated crew and passengers and cut the BS!

Exactly

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Require vaccinated crew and passengers and cut the BS!

Convince the governor of that. He has FORBIDDEN cruiselines from requiring vaccinations.

[Bucco]

Convince the governor of that. He has FORBIDDEN cruiselines from requiring vaccinations.

Didn't the industry threaten to leave Florida ? Lots of money.

Maybe loading in North Carolina or somewhere.

[drducat]

The problem is only a minority trusts the CDC, WHO or Fauci..Let me add Bill Gates....

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The problem is only a minority trusts the CDC, WHO or Fauci..Let me add Bill Gates....

I guess that means only the people who approach the situation with cautious optimism will be even trying to cruise. I'm good with that.

[Stu from NYC]

Convince the governor of that. He has FORBIDDEN cruiselines from requiring vaccinations.

Since the cruise lines are not US corporations does he even have the power to do this?

[billethkid]

Convince the governor of that. He has FORBIDDEN cruiselines from requiring vaccinations.

But he cannot stop the cruise lines from pulling their ships to other stateside ports or close by islands.

Take a minute and contact his office.
I have....and expect no response...consistent with past attempts on other issues.

[Bucco]

But he cannot stop the cruise lines from pulling their ships to other stateside ports or close by islands.

Take a minute and contact his office.
I have....and expect no response...consistent with past attempts on other issues.

"Miami-based Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings is threatening to keep its ships out of Florida after the governor signed legislation banning businesses from requiring that customers show proof of vaccination against COVID-19."

Cruise giant Norwegian threatens to skip Florida'''s ports - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/wireStory/norwegian-cruise-line-threatens-skip-floridas-ports-77560343?__twitter_impression=true)

[GrumpyOldMan]

The problem is only a minority trusts the CDC, WHO or Fauci..Let me add Bill Gates....

And can you back up the claim that only a minor trusts the CDC? Because I looked around and can find NO evidence of that.

[graciegirl]

The problem is only a minority trusts the CDC, WHO or Fauci..Let me add Bill Gates....

Access Denied (https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-04-07/public-lost-trust-in-cdc-during-covid-crisis-poll)

[GrumpyOldMan]

The CDC has a lot of explaining to do!

The assumption of negative intent does nothing to help convince anyone.

[tophcfa]

It doesn’t seem unrealistic to me to take extra precautions when lots of people are trapped on a floating Petri dish.

[Bucco]

Access Denied (https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-04-07/public-lost-trust-in-cdc-during-covid-crisis-poll)

In the link provided, listed as a reason for trust erosion was the ability to source "disinformation"

Pet project of mine, as you are aware is DISINFORMATION, and the prolific use of it for various reasons.

This country has become it own worst nightmare. We do not even seem to care about dishonesty

[Bill14564]

Require vaccinated crew and passengers and cut the BS!

Get vaccinated to protect yourself then stop worrying about the status of anyone else.]

[Rwirish]

I haven’t heard anyone talking about it.

[GeriS]

The New Unrealistic CDC Rules Everyone is Talking About

The CDC has a lot of explaining to do! In the new guidelines released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the agency speaks about some measures that will restrict, eliminate, and hinder many of the things that cruise fans hold dear.



CLICK HERE TO READ MORE (https://www.cruisehive.com/the-new-unrealistic-cdc-rules-everyone-is-talking-about/50551)
Control, control, conrol

[shueburruss]

"Miami-based Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings is threatening to keep its ships out of Florida after the governor signed legislation banning businesses from requiring that customers show proof of vaccination against COVID-19."

Cruise giant Norwegian threatens to skip Florida'''s ports - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/wireStory/norwegian-cruise-line-threatens-skip-floridas-ports-77560343?__twitter_impression=true)

It will be interesting to see if/ how NCL does this. It’s not that easy to just go to other US ports as they might already be busy/ booked with other lines. Also many ships, especially the mega ships are too large to utilize some ports. Using foreign ports may be difficult as again, being busy with other lines as well as would cruisers be will to fly to those ports considering the time and cost? Not saying NCL won’t leave Florida, just considerations as I see them.

[GeriS]

And can you back up the claim that only a minor trusts the CDC? Because I looked around and can find NO evidence of that.
There is plenty of evidence, but you will never get it on tell a vision because you only see what they want you to....programming

[MandoMan]

The New Unrealistic CDC Rules Everyone is Talking About

The CDC has a lot of explaining to do! In the new guidelines released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the agency speaks about some measures that will restrict, eliminate, and hinder many of the things that cruise fans hold dear.



CLICK HERE TO READ MORE (https://www.cruisehive.com/the-new-unrealistic-cdc-rules-everyone-is-talking-about/50551)

Two days ago I signed up for a Bluegrass Cruise on Royal Caribbean for January 2022. If these rules were in place, I wouldn’t go. Also, if I were not vaccinated, I would not go, no matter what mask or distancing rules were in place.

HOWEVER, you failed to mention this proviso in the CDC regulations that were released a few days ago:

“Option in Lieu of a Simulated Voyage
In lieu of conducting a simulated voyage, cruise ship operator responsible officials, at their discretion, may sign and submit to CDC an attestation under 18 U.S.C. § 1001 that 98 percent of crew are fully vaccinated and submit to CDC a clear and specific vaccination plan and timeline to limit cruise ship sailings to 95 percent of passengers who have been verified by the cruise ship operator as fully vaccinated prior to sailing.”

Exactly! The CDC says everything can be back to the way it was IF 95% of the passengers have been vaccinated and 98% of the crew has been vaccinated. So if you want to go on a cruise, great! Go get vaccinated, then you can go. You do not have a right to cruise unvaccinated on a privately owned ship. If you don’t want to get vaccinated, fine, but stay home. Places like Disneyworld and baseball stadiums should also require vaccinations.

Yes, this may keep some passengers from going and so cost the company money. But if the company has these old rules in place with the masks and social distancing, I’m one of many who will cancel. They lose passengers every way. But they lose a lot more money when they can’t sail at all. They’d rather be partly empty than be completely empty. We don’t want a repeat of the nightmare on some cruise ships with COVID cases last year.

[villageuser]

The problem is only a minority trusts the CDC, WHO or Fauci..Let me add Bill Gates....

What was reported is that the majority of people have lost 10% of the amount of confidence they have in the CDC and WHO by 10%. However, the average confidence level is still above 50% (7 in a scale of 0 - 10) which means that the majority of the people still have confidence in those entities; it is the minority who do not trust the CDC, WHO and Fauci. . .

[Eg_cruz]

Convince the governor of that. He has FORBIDDEN cruiselines from requiring vaccinations.
He is stating no business can order that you have to be vaccinated to enter a business.......I happen to 100% agree. We do not need vaccine passports it is ridiculous.

DeSantis’ press office on Monday asserted that his recent executive order barring businesses from requiring proof of vaccinated customers extends to cruise lines operating in Florida.
“The Governor’s Executive Order provides that businesses in Florida are prohibited from requiring patrons or customers to provide any documentation certifying COVID-19 vaccination or post-transmission recovery to gain access to, entry upon, or service from the business,” press secretary Cody McCloud said by email. “Therefore, the Executive Order prohibits cruise lines from requiring vaccine passports for their Florida operations.”

[drducat]

What was reported is that the majority of people have lost 10% of the amount of confidence they have in the CDC and WHO by 10%. However, the average confidence level is still above 50% (7 in a scale of 0 - 10) which means that the majority of the people still have confidence in those entities; it is the minority who do not trust the CDC, WHO and Fauci. . .

The polling was conducted May 2020 ..... a year ago..since then the CDC has back pedaled on dozens of statements after being derailed by what "bad data"??

The advice from the CDC is supposed to be sound, the final word. Not ever changing from day today.

The WHO forget them all together...they have not been up front on findings in Wuhan and did not call SARS-CoV-2 (Covid-19) a pandemic until it was too late.

Bill Gates will not willingly fork over the SARS-CoV-2 DNA sequence so other India and other nations can produce more vaccine...it is all about money and control with him at this stage...his excuse is hypocritical.

[nick demis]

It's very simple, this government doesn't care about business. All the cruise lines should abandon the US market and the US can kiss off all the revenues it gets from them. Most people have to fly to a cruise port so now they will just fly to a foreign country and help their economy.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Two days ago I signed up for a Bluegrass Cruise on Royal Caribbean for January 2022. If these rules were in place, I wouldn’t go. Also, if I were not vaccinated, I would not go, no matter what mask or distancing rules were in place.

HOWEVER, you failed to mention this proviso in the CDC regulations that were released a few days ago:

“Option in Lieu of a Simulated Voyage
In lieu of conducting a simulated voyage, cruise ship operator responsible officials, at their discretion, may sign and submit to CDC an attestation under 18 U.S.C. § 1001 that 98 percent of crew are fully vaccinated and submit to CDC a clear and specific vaccination plan and timeline to limit cruise ship sailings to 95 percent of passengers who have been verified by the cruise ship operator as fully vaccinated prior to sailing.”

Exactly! The CDC says everything can be back to the way it was IF 95% of the passengers have been vaccinated and 98% of the crew has been vaccinated. So if you want to go on a cruise, great! Go get vaccinated, then you can go. You do not have a right to cruise unvaccinated on a privately owned ship. If you don’t want to get vaccinated, fine, but stay home. Places like Disneyworld and baseball stadiums should also require vaccinations.

Yes, this may keep some passengers from going and so cost the company money. But if the company has these old rules in place with the masks and social distancing, I’m one of many who will cancel. They lose passengers every way. But they lose a lot more money when they can’t sail at all. They’d rather be partly empty than be completely empty. We don’t want a repeat of the nightmare on some cruise ships with COVID cases last year.

That's all well and good, but DeSantis has ordered cruiseships to NOT require proof of vaccination on ships that sail out of Florida. DeSantis says basically that all commerce that isn't government-owned is welcome to set their own rules for entry and their customers/clients/patients, EXCEPT cruise ships. They are not ALLOWED to require vaccinations or proof of vaccination.

That's what this is all about. Since many countries don't allow you, the passenger, into their country without proof of vaccination, and since deSantis says your ship is not allowed to require proof that you are vaccinated, therefore that ship *cannot* go where you want it to go, as long as it leaves from Florida.

So screw Florida, and sail the ship from somewhere else. And Florida loses all that revenue from overnight stays at port hotels, shopping, shoreline excursions, dining, etc. etc. And some other state will pick up the gravy.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It's very simple, this government doesn't care about business. All the cruise lines should abandon the US market and the US can kiss off all the revenues it gets from them. Most people have to fly to a cruise port so now they will just fly to a foreign country and help their economy.

That's great. Just make sure you provide proof of vaccination THERE - because many countries won't let you off the airplane without it.

[Girlcopper]

It doesn’t seem unrealistic to me to take extra precautions when lots of people are trapped on a floating Petri dish.
Agree. The neurovirus has sickened thousands of people over the years. Why would you want to add another virs to a ship where people act like they are invinsible

[oneclickplus]

The New Unrealistic CDC Rules Everyone is Talking About

The CDC has a lot of explaining to do! In the new guidelines released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the agency speaks about some measures that will restrict, eliminate, and hinder many of the things that cruise fans hold dear.



CLICK HERE TO READ MORE (https://www.cruisehive.com/the-new-unrealistic-cdc-rules-everyone-is-talking-about/50551)

It is one thing to require a mask for shopping, public transit or other "necessary" tasks. But there is no way that I will ever spend thousands of $$ to enjoy myself and then be expected to follow any rules regarding masks, distancing, etc. In other words, you will never see me and many others (including my entire family) walking around a cruise ship with a mask on. There are just too many other enjoyable activities that the CDC mafia does not control.

[msilagy]

I totally agree with....Eliminate any self-serve food or drink options, such as buffets, salad bars, and drink stations. This limits the use of shared serving utensils, handles, buttons, or touchscreens .....as many people have gotten sick over the years and outbreaks on ships have occurred because of what is stated. However you know that the 6 ft distancing and all the mask wearing will not be adhered to - it's not in the real world on land in restaurants now and many venues. At first it may be strict but that will lessen over the months when COVID is less and less and possibly we get herd immunity. As they say don't get your shorts in a bunch over this!

[Villages Kahuna]

Yep, I’m really impressed by criticism of the recommended travel restrictions issued by the CDC by a travel agent. I’m sure your qualifications equal those of the doctors and epidemiology experts at the CDC.

TOTV readers should be reminded that as of this morning less than 1/3 of Americans have been vaccinated.

[oneclickplus]

Get vaccinated to protect yourself then stop worrying about the status of anyone else.]

Exactly. To paraphrase the governor, if you're been vaccinated, ACT LIKE IT.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It is one thing to require a mask for shopping, public transit or other "necessary" tasks. But there is no way that I will ever spend thousands of $$ to enjoy myself and then be expected to follow any rules regarding masks, distancing, etc. In other words, you will never see me and many others (including my entire family) walking around a cruise ship with a mask on. There are just too many other enjoyable activities that the CDC mafia does not control.

That's fine. No one is forcing you to go on a cruise. You can stay home and enjoy yourself in the comfort of familiar terrain, sans mask, sans vaccine. That is 100% allowable, no one is taking that away from you.

HOWEVER - if you want to go to "this" store, or visit "that" doctor, or go on "that" cruise, you have to respect THEIR rules. And if their rules say wear a mask, you have to wear a mask at THEIR establishment.

[oneclickplus]

That's fine. No one is forcing you to go on a cruise. You can stay home and enjoy yourself in the comfort of familiar terrain, sans mask, sans vaccine. That is 100% allowable, no one is taking that away from you.

HOWEVER - if you want to go to "this" store, or visit "that" doctor, or go on "that" cruise, you have to respect THEIR rules. And if their rules say wear a mask, you have to wear a mask at THEIR establishment.

Well, thanks for repeating pretty much exactly what I wrote. I am willing to follow the BS rules but I won't spend voluntary vacation $$ and be subject to those BS rules. Not sure what the point of your post was since you are saying the same thing. I didn't say I was being forced. I was pointing out the loss of my business due to those rules.

[Byte1]

Yes, open up the cruise lines and close down the restaurants...???????????????

[jbrown132]

Require vaccinated crew and passengers and cut the BS!

That’s a slippery slope. If people are afraid to go because there is no requirement to be vaccinated then don’t go. It’s a free country, or at least it use to be.

[Hiltongrizz11]

Convince the governor of that. He has FORBIDDEN cruiselines from requiring vaccinations.

As he SHOULD!

[Astron]

Convince the governor of that. He has FORBIDDEN cruiselines from requiring vaccinations.
He cannot over rule the Federal Government as this involves maritime regulations and international trade; cruise ships are foreign flagged vessels. This is up to the Centers for Disease Control and the United States Coast Guard.

[Fisherman]

The way I see it is no matter who mandates the rules, it is the cruise lines business and their employees that dictates their decisions. Not sure, legally, what control DeSantis has over federally owned US ports. The CDC guidelines are just that. I had a cruise planned for the Baltics on a luxury cruise line in September. The cruise line cancelled our cruise last week. Six of the nine countries have their borders closed. They are doing a test run on one ship in the Mediterranean in August to see what happens. They said they may sail that one ship as long as their are no outbreaks. They said all passengers and crews, 100 % must be vaccinated. Most countries they will visit have a mask mandate. This is a world wide dilemma. Like everything else, a new frontier that needs to be dealt with an abundance of caution. I personally, would not board a ship unless everyone was vaccinated. It would eliminate 95% of the risk of an outbreak and avoid the need to wear a mask or social distancing. Still have to look at the risk once you get off the ship in the ports you visit. Maybe the cruise lines should market their sailings with itineraries that are “vaccinated” only passengers and other itineraries where “ unvaccinated passengers” only. What a great way to test whether it really matters or not! Then everybody will be happy and they capture 100% of future cruisers business!

[Arl]

Sorry i don’t agree people should decide if they want the vaccine or not.
It should not be mandatory. This vaccine is experimental and some people have allergies
To many things so should not be forced on anyone. For those who chose to have it
that’s fine but for those who chose not to should also be fine.

[Pat2015]

I totally agree with....Eliminate any self-serve food or drink options, such as buffets, salad bars, and drink stations. This limits the use of shared serving utensils, handles, buttons, or touchscreens .....as many people have gotten sick over the years and outbreaks on ships have occurred because of what is stated. However you know that the 6 ft distancing and all the mask wearing will not be adhered to - it's not in the real world on land in restaurants now and many venues. At first it may be strict but that will lessen over the months when COVID is less and less and possibly we get herd immunity. As they say don't get your shorts in a bunch over this!

The CDC guidelines are overly restrictive for a ship full of vaccinated people, and no one wants to do grab and go food, sit at the pool with a mask on, or take bits of food with mask wearing in between while having a three course dinner in the dining room on a cruise ship. If it’s the intent of the CDC to keep the industry shut down, then these measures will certainly accomplish that goal. I will get on a cruise ship again when these rules are lifted.

[tuccillo]

The vaccine is not mandatory; nobody is forcing you be vaccinated. However, you may soon find traveling outside the US and it's territories to be more difficult, or nearly impossible, without a vaccination. I fully understand why things will be moving in this direction: cruise lines and foreign countries do not want the burden of providing healthcare in case you develop COVID. Things are going to be different from now on.

Sorry i don’t agree people should decide if they want the vaccine or not.
It should not be mandatory. This vaccine is experimental and some people have allergies
To many things so should not be forced on anyone. For those who chose to have it
that’s fine but for those who chose not to should also be fine.

[Darield]

It doesn’t seem unrealistic to me to take extra precautions when lots of people are trapped on a floating Petri dish.

It's a matter of free choice. It's also a matter of precautions that are so restrictive that no one can enjoy themselves. If a vaccine is effective against the virus and vaccines are now available to everyone, then it's a personal choice to take a vacation on a cruise ship. They are not trapped, they chose it!

The same goes with masks. Since we all have access to get vaccinated, those who choose not to wear a mask, shouldn't have to. Those who make a personal choice not to get vaccinated should be allowed to make that choice. We should all be able to accept the consequences of our personal decisions. It feels as if the government is being restrictive to the point of absurdity. The politicalization of our freedom of choice feels scary and many feel that our personal freedoms are being threatened.

[billethkid]

It's a matter of free choice. It's also a matter of precautions that are so restrictive that no one can enjoy themselves. If a vaccine is effective against the virus and vaccines are now available to everyone, then it's a personal choice to take a vacation on a cruise ship. They are not trapped, they chose it!

The same goes with masks. Since we all have access to get vaccinated, those who choose not to wear a mask, shouldn't have to. Those who make a personal choice not to get vaccinated should be allowed to make that choice. We should all be able to accept the consequences of our personal decisions. It feels as if the government is being restrictive to the point of absurdity. The politicalization of our freedom of choice feels scary and many feel that our personal freedoms are being threatened.

It would then follow that those who choose not to get vaccinated will not object to cruise lines (or any other business) that requires vaccination to participate.

Same as "requiring" a passport.
NO PASSPORT.....NO GET ON SHIP!!

[billyb1950]

Convince the governor of that. He has FORBIDDEN cruiselines from requiring vaccinations.

I'm not so sure he has FORBIDDEN a requirement for vaccinations, masks, or any other PPE. He leaves it to the private sector to determine their own precautions and rules. Isn't the cruise business a private entity?

[Indydealmaker]

And can you back up the claim that only a minor trusts the CDC? Because I looked around and can find NO evidence of that.

Try reading Gracie's post #13.

[hrenner]

Read the research
Trust has fallen, but still a big Majority trust CDC.

[Joe C.]

Only congress can pass laws.. The CDC can recommend rules and regulations, but I don't believe that they can ENFORCE them. Now if these asinine regulations on cruise lines are too much, then maybe the cruise lines should move their port headquarters to the Bahamas and include airfare from Florida to the Bahamas in their prices. Then they wouldn't be subject to those rules.
Or better yet, maybe Uncle Sam should DEFUND THE CDC !!! Wouldn't that be great !

[Pat2015]

Dr. Fauci is a national treasure. And people that knock him probably never did 1/10 of the hard work that he has done to improve American health and world health. Better to blame the sun for rising in the morning than to knock Dr. Fauci.
He is also the same guy in Feb 2020 that said that COVID wasn’t going to be a problem in our country, and he April 2020 says no one should be wearing a mask. He was wrong about COVID yet still leads the effort here in the US and is paid more than the President to offer his opinions that have been wrong.

[jimjamuser]

It's very simple, this government doesn't care about business. All the cruise lines should abandon the US market and the US can kiss off all the revenues it gets from them. Most people have to fly to a cruise port so now they will just fly to a foreign country and help their economy.
Which government does NOT care about business? ALL governments, all over the world care about their business sector. Economics means everything to even China and Russia. Wall St. does NOT miss a beat no matter which party is in power in the Federal Government. In fact, a little know fact is that on average the US stock market, historically, has done better under Democratic leadership. Don't believe me - check it out!!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Yep, I’m really impressed by criticism of the recommended travel restrictions issued by the CDC by a travel agent. I’m sure your qualifications equal those of the doctors and epidemiology experts at the CDC.

TOTV readers should be reminded that as of this morning less than 1/3 of Americans have been vaccinated.
Yes, pre-CV "normal" reality is STILL a long way away. People can pretend, and hope, and whine, But there are STILL more questions than answers - and very little co-operation. And a lot of bad behavior and deniers.

[jimjamuser]

The cdc and who have no credibility because they lie. Once you lie, like they did, and that includes fauci, why should I ever believe anything they say going forward? These shots are experimental and have not had the test of time or any of the other precautions normally given to new procedures. Florida has done very well under the current administration.
Florida could do better! And Dr. Fauci is a national treasure!

[jimjamuser]

He is also the same guy in Feb 2020 that said that COVID wasn’t going to be a problem in our country, and he April 2020 says no one should be wearing a mask. He was wrong about COVID yet still leads the effort here in the US and is paid more than the President to offer his opinions that have been wrong.
Science changes. It is a new CV. It will keep changing. There are no easy solutions and facts for everybody to cling to and grasp desperately at.