New COVID guidelines from CDC - Maybe 2021

[GrumpyOldMan]

I have been following the changing guidelines from CDC and we have reached what I consider a milestone. With only a few special case exceptions, like doctor's offices, hospitals, public transportation, etc. It is no longer recommended to wear masks.

This is a big deal and carries implications for getting people back to work.

If you follow the John Hopkins website for tracking data, you know that the US has been virtually untouched by the latest worldwide surge which has hit some countries with very deadly results. The US on the other hand has continued a slow steady decline in daily cases and daily deaths. (See link below for their new and improved website which also includes vaccination rate data)

We, the world, have now reached 1.38 trillion doses of vaccine administered. The US has administered 268 Million and while the curve is tapering off, we are still administering more every day.

For the first time in over a year, I have hope that we will beat this thing into submission. New variants are coming, but for now, I look forward to taking my wife out to eat at a restaurant.

COVID-19 Map - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html)

[asianthree]

We have been in restaurants since the first day in dining was offered, this year. Playing golf without masks, visiting kids, and grandchildren, for most of 2020, and 2021. Working side by side with over 100 people everyday. So not much different for us. Business can still demand masks.
Disney Started allowed pictures to be taken without masks, first of May. But I think it will be awhile before their mask mandate is lifted.

[GrumpyOldMan]

We have been in restaurants since the first day in dining was offered, this year. Playing golf without masks, visiting kids, and grandchildren, for most of 2020, and 2021. Working side by side with over 100 people everyday. So not much different for us. Business can still demand masks.
Disney Started allowed pictures to be taken without masks, first of May. But I think it will be awhile before their mask mandate is lifted.

I understand. And yes, I do intend to respect any business with a "please wear mask" signs posted.

[John41]

I have been following the changing guidelines from CDC and we have reached what I consider a milestone. With only a few special case exceptions, like doctor's offices, hospitals, public transportation, etc. It is no longer recommended to wear masks.

This is a big deal and carries implications for getting people back to work.

If you follow the John Hopkins website for tracking data, you know that the US has been virtually untouched by the latest worldwide surge which has hit some countries with very deadly results. The US on the other hand has continued a slow steady decline in daily cases and daily deaths. (See link below for their new and improved website which also includes vaccination rate data)

We, the world, have now reached 1.38 trillion doses of vaccine administered. The US has administered 268 Million and while the curve is tapering off, we are still administering more every day.

For the first time in over a year, I have hope that we will beat this thing into submission. New variants are coming, but for now, I look forward to taking my wife out to eat at a restaurant.

COVID-19 Map - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html)

India now the hotbed of 1 out of every 3 new cases of covid 19 thought the epidemic was over for them in February. Don’t count you chickens....

[GrumpyOldMan]

India now the hotbed of 1 out of every 3 new cases of covid 19 thought the epidemic was over for them in February. Don’t count you chickens....

I agree completely.

[Tee4ta]

Finally! I believe the change is only for those who are fully vaccinated. I hope this motivates people who may be on the fence about getting the vaccine.

[donassaid]

Welcome back to living. We have been dining out for months, without masks and without the vaccine. I know, I'm one of those ignorant, selfish people who don't buy into the hysteria over a virus with a 99% survival rate.

[Girlcopper]

Finally! I believe the change is only for those who are fully vaccinated. I hope this motivates people who may be on the fence about getting the vaccine.
Dumb stipulation too. Obviously the ones not vaccinated will say they are. They are the same ones who have cried about wearing a mask this past year so will be the first to pull it off and breath on the rest of us

[camaguey48]

Finally! I believe the change is only for those who are fully vaccinated. I hope this motivates people who may be on the fence about getting the vaccine.
But, but, but. How do we know who is fully vaccinated? Do we carry a "I'm fully vaccinated" ID card? A arm patch? A decal on our car? How do we know? Ask, maybe? That could get a little uncomfortable.

[stanley]

But, but, but. How do we know who is fully vaccinated? Do we carry a "I'm fully vaccinated" ID card? A arm patch? A decal on our car? How do we know? Ask, maybe? That could get a little uncomfortable.

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[Tmarkwald]

But, but, but. How do we know who is fully vaccinated? Do we carry a "I'm fully vaccinated" ID card? A arm patch? A decal on our car? How do we know? Ask, maybe? That could get a little uncomfortable.

Well, I travel to a lot of Federal and State Government Facilities.

The morning I go in, before I am allowed in, I have to sign a form stating that I am either A) fully vaccinated and past the 2 week waiting period, or B) have had a negative COVID test in the past 4 days.

So, here's the thing - they ask, you tell, but you do not have to present proof - yet. They've already said in the near future we'll have to display the vaccine card.

This is one of those things where Florida says no vaccine passport, etc, but the card is not a vaccine passport. It's just an acknowledgement you are vaccinated and the ID number from the vial so they can track in case there is an issue with a batch.

Eventually, there has to be a validation done of some sort. Although the numbers are looking better every day..

[Bill14564]

But, but, but. How do we know who is fully vaccinated? Do we carry a "I'm fully vaccinated" ID card? A arm patch? A decal on our car? How do we know? Ask, maybe? That could get a little uncomfortable.

According to the paper, some restaurant employees and some college students will be learning the answer to that in the near future.

One option: you will be able to know who is not vaccinated because they will be the ones still having symptomatic infections. As long as the hospitals are not overwhelmed, that's okay. Let those who want to bet against a set of loaded dice do so. If they don't want to protect themselves that's their choice but don't punish (limit, restrict, inconvenience, etc) the vaccinated for the choice of the not-vaccinated;

[Bill14564]

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So, here's the thing - they ask, you tell, but you do not have to present proof - yet. They've already said in the near future we'll have to display the vaccine card.

This is one of those things where Florida says no vaccine passport, etc, but the card is not a vaccine passport. It's just an acknowledgement you are vaccinated and the ID number from the vial so they can track in case there is an issue with a batch.

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I truly hope we don't get to the point of parsing words like this. Call it a passport or call it a card or call it my papers, it is all the same. If I am required to carry proof of my medical status (Covid, HIV, Measles, Tuberculosis, Meningitis, Flu, etc) in order to move around the country then my privacy is being invaded and I have lost a freedom.

[Tmarkwald]

According to the paper, some restaurant employees and some college students will be learning the answer to that in the near future.

One option: you will be able to know who is not vaccinated because they will be the ones still having symptomatic infections. As long as the hospitals are not overwhelmed, that's okay. Let those who want to bet against a set of loaded dice do so. If they don't want to protect themselves that's their choice but don't punish (limit, restrict, inconvenience, etc) the vaccinated for the choice of the not-vaccinated;

Agreed

[Mike193534]

If some kind of verification would be needed in the future for proof of covid shots, what stops the need to prove flu shots, measles, etc etc etc, in USA? I know Vaccinations are needed to visit some countries, that is understandable. But what about our HIPA laws? We can’t be forced to release medical information without our approval. And according to local Drs no one can make you get the vaccine or any vaccine for that matter. PS. I got vaccine, but my wife is unable to get it.

[Tmarkwald]

I truly hope we don't get to the point of parsing words like this. Call it a passport or call it a card or call it my papers, it is all the same. If I am required to carry proof of my medical status (Covid, HIV, Measles, Tuberculosis, Meningitis, Flu, etc) in order to move around the country then my privacy is being invaded and I have lost a freedom.

Well, here's where we have the public health emergency and crisis management people get involved..

We don't know what the future will bring. If the numbers continue to drop and, as you said, only those who rolled snake-eyes get infected, and the hospitals don't get over-run, we may see all that go by the wayside.

I am optimistic enough to feel that we are now looking in the rear view mirror on this. Or, rather, vaccinated people are as the chance of a vaccinated person getting an infection is now 9000:180 MILLION, according to the news last night. And the majority of those actually were infected prior to getting the vaccine, so the number is far less.

And, Europe is now opening up to fully vaccinated Americans and I'm booking a flight to get a bratwurst soon!

[Swoop]

Dumb stipulation too. Obviously the ones not vaccinated will say they are. They are the same ones who have cried about wearing a mask this past year so will be the first to pull it off and breath on the rest of us
For a year we have been told that wearing a mask doesn’t protect you, it protects others. If you have had your shots, if you wear a mask it won’t protect me since you’re already protected. And I shouldn’t need to wear a mask since you don’t need protection from me, because you’re already protected. So why does my “breathing” have you so agitated?!?

[Tmarkwald]

If some kind of verification would be needed in the future for proof of covid shots, what stops the need to prove flu shots, measles, etc etc etc, in USA? I know Vaccinations are needed to visit some countries, that is understandable. But what about our HIPA laws? We can’t be forced to release medical information without our approval. And according to local Drs no one can make you get the vaccine or any vaccine for that matter. PS. I got vaccine, but my wife is unable to get it.

Covid is unique in that it resulted in a Pandemic and the death toll is incredibly high. Plus is it very contagious. So they are writing a new set of rulebooks on this.

You are correct about HIPPA. But, it is your choice whether to take part in whatever activity requires you to provide proof. So, the activity is purely optional.

It's interesting you mention vaccinations to visit other countries. I just found my shot record I had to carry everywhere in the past. I couldn't even board the flight with it.

Airlines are responsible for checking vaccination requirements of your destination before you board. I don't see any of that changing. As more and more countries require Covid vaccinations, it will become second nature for travelers to keep their cards with them.

I have read that each state has a depository of vaccination records that can be used. For what I read, this is how cruise lines will check for vaccine compliance, although you WILL have to sign a release form for them to check the state records. So, you may not need the card at that time.

We're still wearing baby shoes and taking baby steps right now!

[Larchap49]

I truly hope we don't get to the point of parsing words like this. Call it a passport or call it a card or call it my papers, it is all the same. If I am required to carry proof of my medical status (Covid, HIV, Measles, Tuberculosis, Meningitis, Flu, etc) in order to move around the country then my privacy is being invaded and I have lost a freedom.

Thank you. You are so right. The current political climate is all about removing more and more freedoms. Hopefully more of America will wake up to this before America as we knew it in the past is gone forever.

[lkagele]

This is a big deal and carries implications for getting people back to work.

COVID-19 Map - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html)

Doesn't really make sense. It's the vaccines that changed the playing field. If changing the guidelines was the only thing needed to get people back to work; then they should have changed them a year ago.


I think the change in guidelines has more to do with the changing public sentiment than it has to do with science. Even some of the well-known hosts of the opinion programs on the cable news channels are questioning why masks are required. Changing the guidelines, IMO, demonstrates the manipulation the CDC has been conducting on the populace. Think about it. What has changed since November that makes fully vaccinated folks safe today but not back then? If the vaccines are effective (and I believe they are) there's no reason for anyone fully vaccinated to wear a mask at all.

[Tmarkwald]

For a year we have been told that wearing a mask doesn’t protect you, it protects others. If you have had your shots, if you wear a mask it won’t protect me since you’re already protected. And I shouldn’t need to wear a mask since you don’t need protection from me, because you’re already protected. So why does my “breathing” have you so agitated?!?

It gets better -

Latest word from CDC says that vaccinated don't need to wear masks in most situations but that the non-vaccinated should continue wearing them.

And that we may see masks for a long time since some people are now very comfortable wearing them. uhh - not me. LOL

[Looking for next wife]

India has put cables and fencing over some spots in rivers to stop bodies from being thrown into the water and are burning piles and piles of bodies in the street.

I'm so glad our "conspiracy", never got as bad as their" conspiracy".

[MandoMan]

I have been following the changing guidelines from CDC and we have reached what I consider a milestone. With only a few special case exceptions, like doctor's offices, hospitals, public transportation, etc. It is no longer recommended to wear masks.

This is a big deal and carries implications for getting people back to work.

If you follow the John Hopkins website for tracking data, you know that the US has been virtually untouched by the latest worldwide surge which has hit some countries with very deadly results. The US on the other hand has continued a slow steady decline in daily cases and daily deaths. (See link below for their new and improved website which also includes vaccination rate data)

We, the world, have now reached 1.38 trillion doses of vaccine administered. The US has administered 268 Million and while the curve is tapering off, we are still administering more every day.

For the first time in over a year, I have hope that we will beat this thing into submission. New variants are coming, but for now, I look forward to taking my wife out to eat at a restaurant.

COVID-19 Map - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html)

I think you mean 1.38 Billion, not Trillion. That many? That’s impressive!

[Jerseyborn]

If the unvaccinated don't wear masks they are putting only themselves at risk. The likelihood of a vaccinated person getting infected is extremely low

[meridian5850]

But, but, but. How do we know who is fully vaccinated? Do we carry a "I'm fully vaccinated" ID card? A arm patch? A decal on our car? How do we know? Ask, maybe? That could get a little uncomfortable.

Maybe one of these

[Tmarkwald]

We've dropped down to #18 in the fatalities/million as well.

COVID Live Update: 161,923,080 Cases and 3,360,907 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR1oAzCsyWcWf7zUebMjCYLSd0q6B_vO6ANXWZFD Qgo9d50-Yc6O9LJex6k#countries)

And if you look at when we started vaccinations in November, we've led the world ever since in numbers of vaccines given for the population.

All that preplanning starting last July saved millions of lives - we're now shipping excess vaccination doses to India and elsewhere.

Good Job, America!

[Lil GTO]

Been dining out for nearly the whole time since opened back up near a year now.

I’m with you all the way on your philosophy here. Wish there were more folks that could see the truth.


Welcome back to living. We have been dining out for months, without masks and without the vaccine. I know, I'm one of those ignorant, selfish people who don't buy into the hysteria over a virus with a 99% survival rate.

[mlmarr1]

Welcome back to living. We have been dining out for months, without masks and without the vaccine. I know, I'm one of those ignorant, selfish people who don't buy into the hysteria over a virus with a 99% survival rate.

We are not the brainwashed..

[Tmarkwald]

Welcome back to living. We have been dining out for months, without masks and without the vaccine. I know, I'm one of those ignorant, selfish people who don't buy into the hysteria over a virus with a 99% survival rate.

Beside a blatent disregard for others, it doesn't take a math wiz to figure out that a 99% survival rate (many with serious lifelong neurological and other issues) would mean

3.28 MILLION AMERCANS DEAD

Apparently, that is perfectly acceptable to you?

[CFrance]

Dumb stipulation too. Obviously the ones not vaccinated will say they are. They are the same ones who have cried about wearing a mask this past year so will be the first to pull it off and breath on the rest of us
Let them knock themselves out. I'm vaccinated.
Fauci et al said one reason the government lifted the mask mandate was to encourage people to get vaccinated, since the rate of vac is falling. "You can go here, and you can go there, as long as your vaccinated." However, I believe that most of the non vaccinated will take advantage of the new rule and still not get vaccinated. Unless someone's standing at the door asking for vac records (which could be fake anyway), I doubt it will change their minds about vaccinations. They'll go anywhere they want to.

But oh well... Let them infect each other!

[Tmarkwald]

Let them infect each other!

Yep - Darwin, Survival of the Fittest, etc etc ... weed out the weak

[Tmarkwald]

What irritates me are newscasters standing on the street, nobody within 50 feet of them, wearing a mask.

[DAVES]

I have been following the changing guidelines from CDC and we have reached what I consider a milestone. With only a few special case exceptions, like doctor's offices, hospitals, public transportation, etc. It is no longer recommended to wear masks.

This is a big deal and carries implications for getting people back to work.

If you follow the John Hopkins website for tracking data, you know that the US has been virtually untouched by the latest worldwide surge which has hit some countries with very deadly results. The US on the other hand has continued a slow steady decline in daily cases and daily deaths. (See link below for their new and improved website which also includes vaccination rate data)

We, the world, have now reached 1.38 trillion doses of vaccine administered. The US has administered 268 Million and while the curve is tapering off, we are still administering more every day.

For the first time in over a year, I have hope that we will beat this thing into submission. New variants are coming, but for now, I look forward to taking my wife out to eat at a restaurant.

COVID-19 Map - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html)

An endless debate. Truth, REALITY, I don't know or particularly care why some people think it is such a big deal. I do wonder about posters. Imagine if anything REALLY was wrong.

In terms of posts, endless debate about driving, round a bouts, speed. Masks, if it is a thurs and the sun is up you must wear a mask? Or perhaps it should be tied to the tides?
Simple, people can handle it. Wear a mask. Now our great leaders. You will need to check the day of the week and the tide chart.

Vaccinated? Will we now demand people carry proof they have been vaccinated? Will we not object to random police stops demanding to see your paperwork? Self responsibility?
Read any of the threads about round a bouts, speed etc. Chance of self responsibility working is zero in the real world.

[John41]

India has put cables and fencing over some spots in rivers to stop bodies from being thrown into the water and are burning piles and piles of bodies in the street.

I'm so glad our "conspiracy", never got as bad as their" conspiracy".

I think that this pandemic is just a warning of things to come as gain of function research and techniques like CRISPR make the risk of a plague almost inevitable. Let’s use this opportunity to develop methods to identify, isolate and control the spread of man made viruses. Ignore what has happened at our future perils.

[Mhollowaygleasom]

While it’s wonderful the US has relaxed mask and social distancing guidelines, have the EXPERTS truly provided new information?
The efficacy of the vaccines remains the same, degree of illness, hospitalization and death also remain the same. The term of the studies is longer but without additional findings.
Just what am I missing?
Those who opt out of being vaccinated will continue to walk among us. It’s not like anyone can visually recognize a vaccinated vs unvaccinated individual. In some instances, the honor system surrounding the unvaccinated of masking and social distancing is not and will not be followed.
There is no right or wrong answer in choosing to vaccinate or not. It is a personal choice and frankly no one else’s business. It’s also their right to follow or not follow guidelines.
This is where it gets sticky for me. There hasn’t been any new information with regard to masking or not. This time last year, FL also saw a decrease in new cases.
Variants and mutations of COVID are now present. Many fully vaccinated people will be due for their booster in the next few months and there is no mention of how it will be rolled out.
The TV commercials, news and presidential clips currently being presented display a return to normalcy for vaccinated individuals. Is it wishful thinking on our leaders part that those unvaccinated will suddenly rush to get vaccinated? At this time, about 1/3 of the US is vaccinated, a far cry from heard immunity.
Just what has changed? I’m not entirely sure.
On a personal level, I would love to return to normal without masks or social distancing. On an intellectual level, I’m not quite there yet. No, I’m not living in fear. I am however questioning the integrity of those providing new regulations without new scientific evidence.
We all make choices on a daily basis based on our personal needs and beliefs. To follow CDC guidelines or not will most likely continue to be a personal choice and one of great contention.
Bottom line, do what’s right for you and stop worrying about what others are doing and live YOUR best life.

[LianneMigiano]

I believe it was 7 members of a baseball team (Yankees?) who came down with Covid after being vaccinated! Keep your eyes and ears open. I'm not taking off my mask for a while!!!!!!:boom:

[LianneMigiano]

By The Associated Press
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — New York Yankees shortstop Gleyber Torres tested positive for Covid-19 despite being fully vaccinated and having previously contracted the coronavirus during the offseason.

Torres is among eight so-called breakthrough positives among the Yankees — people who tested positive despite being fully vaccinated.

[Hifred]

Your post left off one important point. Those who are not vaccinated are supposed to wear masks. I was at an activity in one of the rec centers when a person who was not wearing a mask said to the group, "I need to have more patience with people telling me I need to get vaccinated." Then she went on about not believing in vaccinations. All non vaccinated people need to wear a mask. This is why. No vaccine is 100% including the measles vaccine. There are different Covid vaccines and the best is 95% effective. That means theoretically 5 out of 100 people if exposed will still have a breakthrough infection. What protects those 5 is that the people around them if vaccinated are not spreading the illness. For example there was a measles outbreak in the U.S. between 1989 - early 1991 due to a rise in anti vaccination sentiment. There were 27,000 cases of measles in the U.S. in the year 1990 alone with approximately 123 preschoolers dying. If someone doesn't want to take the vaccine then they need to be aware they can carry and spread the virus even if they are not experiencing symptoms. Hence, the reason they need to wear a mask.

[Tmarkwald]

By The Associated Press
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — New York Yankees shortstop Gleyber Torres tested positive for Covid-19 despite being fully vaccinated and having previously contracted the coronavirus during the offseason.

Torres is among eight so-called breakthrough positives among the Yankees — people who tested positive despite being fully vaccinated.

A statistical anomaly for sure!

Of the more than 95 million people in the United States who were fully vaccinated, only 9,245 — or 0.01 percent — have been infected with the coronavirus.

Just over a quarter of those people never had symptoms;

132 people, or 1 percent of the breakthrough infections, died.

Twenty of those deaths were in asymptomatic people or probably not related to COVID-19.

So, 132 out of nearly 100 Million...

Here’s what breakthrough infections reveal about COVID-19 vaccines | Science News (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-vaccines-breakthrough-infections-variants)

[MDLNB]

India now the hotbed of 1 out of every 3 new cases of covid 19 thought the epidemic was over for them in February. Don’t count you chickens....
Yes, and India still has leprosy too. India is a dirty and nasty place with way too dense of a population.

[MDLNB]

Dumb stipulation too. Obviously the ones not vaccinated will say they are. They are the same ones who have cried about wearing a mask this past year so will be the first to pull it off and breath on the rest of us


And the polls show that it will be those that have been vaccinated that will be the last and most hesitant to remove their masks. If you do not believe in science, and do not have confidence in the very vaccination that you demand others to to take, there is no credibility in your argument.

I got my shots, like a good lil serf and now I act as if I am protected from the virus. If everyone on here that has been vaccinated feels that they are still vulnerable, perhaps I was a bit too hasty in getting my vaccination and should rethink this whole matter of vaccination.

[MDLNB]

An endless debate. Truth, REALITY, I don't know or particularly care why some people think it is such a big deal. I do wonder about posters. Imagine if anything REALLY was wrong.

In terms of posts, endless debate about driving, round a bouts, speed. Masks, if it is a thurs and the sun is up you must wear a mask? Or perhaps it should be tied to the tides?
Simple, people can handle it. Wear a mask. Now our great leaders. You will need to check the day of the week and the tide chart.

Vaccinated? Will we now demand people carry proof they have been vaccinated? Will we not object to random police stops demanding to see your paperwork? Self responsibility?
Read any of the threads about round a bouts, speed etc. Chance of self responsibility working is zero in the real world.


Good point. They scream about rights when it comes to stop and frisk for possible deadly guns in the hands of punks and criminals, but when it comes to demanding proof of vaccination, all RIGHTS are abandoned and the Constitution is trashed.

[MDLNB]

News Flash! No one is demanding that you remove your masks. If you are scared, you are still allowed to wear your mask. Do you really care if you are labeled as one that has not been vaccinated? Do you really think that anyone that has not been vaccinated is going to wear their masks, anyway? Wear you mask if you feel the need for a a placebo/safety blanket. If you believe that a mask is going to protect you, go for it. Carry a rabbit foot too, because between the mask and a rabbit's foot you should be able to function in society.

[Spalumbos62]

By The Associated Press
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — New York Yankees shortstop Gleyber Torres tested positive for Covid-19 despite being fully vaccinated and having previously contracted the coronavirus during the offseason.

Torres is among eight so-called breakthrough positives among the Yankees — people who tested positive despite being fully vaccinated.



Yes....they only tested positive....no symptoms....only problem is the person hanging out with them that is not vaccinated...that's basically it...stop crying wolf...unnecessary!

[graciegirl]

I believe it was 7 members of a baseball team (Yankees?) who came down with Covid after being vaccinated! Keep your eyes and ears open. I'm not taking off my mask for a while!!!!!!:boom:

Had you thought that those seven may have been jammed in a booth with a server who was contagious and they were incubating the germ before they got vaccinated?

The very first people that I knew here in The Villages to get Covid-19 were two sisters who went with ten neighbors to Orange Blossom Garden to eat to celebrate St. Patrick's day, a year ago March. Six out of the ten got sick. My friends, sisters, one ended up in the hospital on a ventilator, her sister was so sick at home that at one time she had to be brought to emergency to be re-hydrated. They said the server appeared to have a sniffling sneezing cold.

I think it will take years to evaluate and give precise answers to all of our questions about Covid-19. Each must do what they feel comfortable doing. I am thinking that I hope that no one who sees me maskless thinks I don't care. This was one nasty year for all of us.

[golfing eagles]

By The Associated Press
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — New York Yankees shortstop Gleyber Torres tested positive for Covid-19 despite being fully vaccinated and having previously contracted the coronavirus during the offseason.

Torres is among eight so-called breakthrough positives among the Yankees — people who tested positive despite being fully vaccinated.

And 4 of my neighbors left for a trip last week, all fully vaccinated, and 3 of the 4 tested positive, nobody sick, went to another site and tested negative. This either means the test does (and always has) sucked, or the test is picking up some RNA sequence of the vaccine.(which I doubt). But testing positive if you are not sick pretty much means nothing, especially if you are vaccinated and around others that are also. My mask is OFF unless REQUIRED. Not "requested", not "pretty please" but REQUIRED

[Tmarkwald]

and 4 of my neighbors left for a trip last week, all fully vaccinated, and 3 of the 4 tested positive, nobody sick, went to another site and tested negative. This either means the test does (and always has) sucked, or the test is picking up some rna sequence of the vaccine.(which i doubt). But testing positive if you are not sick pretty much means nothing, especially if you are vaccinated and around others that are also. My mask is off unless required. Not "requested", not "pretty please" but required


yes !

[Brynnie]

Welcome back to living. We have been dining out for months, without masks and without the vaccine. I know, I'm one of those ignorant, selfish people who don't buy into the hysteria over a virus with a 99% survival rate.

That 99% survival rate is not necessarily applicable to people with comorbidities (cancer, heart disease, diabetes), who may be dining in that restaurant, too. How about a little consideration for them?

[Tmarkwald]

That 99% survival rate is not necessarily applicable to people with comorbidities (cancer, heart disease, diabetes), who may be dining in that restaurant, too. How about a little consideration for them?

Really? You know, of you run in front of a truck you might get hit.

So the driver should drive slower just in case someone jumps out?

Ok, anyway, you have to provide for your own health safety. Not I, not the neighbor, nor the guy down the road.

To tell people to wear a mask 'in case' someone who is highly at risk decides to come party is ridiculous.

[Bucco]

Really? You know, of you run in front of a truck you might get hit.

So the driver should drive slower just in case someone jumps out?

Ok, anyway, you have to provide for your own health safety. Not I, not the neighbor, nor the guy down the road.

To tell people to wear a mask 'in case' someone who is highly at risk decides to come party is ridiculous.

Ok...we got it. You know all. Why do have to post lies and misinformation. Your point was made with do sarcasm, and cut.

Misleading is a symptom.....why not tell the truth

We should tell the world about you......how lucky we are to have your intelligent, empathetic, comments to lead us

[stanley]

We should tell the world about you......how lucky we are to have your intelligent, empathetic, comments to lead us

Ya know.....I could say...pot meet kettle.............but I won't.

[Tmarkwald]

Ya know.....I could say...pot meet kettle.............but I won't.

The is a distinct difference between empathetic and stupidity.

Read about it

[EdFNJ]

At this point in time since so many of us have been vaccinated my feelings are if the anti-vaxers, non-vaxers and others who just don't care want to run around with their masks off because no one is checking and if they are unlucky enough and get very sick or become flaccid for the rest of their lives :) that's their concern not mine. If a store requests a mask be worn, whether it matters or not because I was vaccinated, I will do it as a courtesy to those who work there whether it medically means diddly or not. It's simply courtesy. Sometimes what goes around comes around (no pun intended).

[golfing eagles]

At this point in time since so many of us have been vaccinated my feelings are if the anti-vaxers, non-vaxers and others who just don't care want to run around with their masks off because no one is checking and if they are unlucky enough and get very sick or become flaccid for the rest of their lives :) that's their concern not mine. If a store requests a mask be worn, whether it matters or not because I was vaccinated, I will do it as a courtesy to those who work there whether it medically means diddly or not. It's simply courtesy. Sometimes what goes around comes around (no pun intended).

Sorry, but my thoughts are that a store that wants its customers to wear a mask should put out the sign "masks REQUIRED". Being fully vaccinated, I will ignore any sign that simply say "requested" or "please wear". This is NOT rude, like it would be if invited to a house party where the host requests masks be worn, it is a business, and therefore can REQUIRE masks if they so choose.

[EdFNJ]

Sorry, but my thoughts are that a store that wants its customers to wear a mask should put out the sign "masks REQUIRED". Being fully vaccinated, I will ignore any sign that simply say "requested" or "please wear". This is NOT rude, like it would be if invited to a house party where the host requests masks be worn, it is a business, and therefore can REQUIRE masks if they so choose. You are correct, technically REQUIRES not REQUESTS. Target still says REQUIRED (as of Today) and we were the last 2 days and 25% were not. Thinking about it though, even if they "request" that generally means they want you to but they don't want to start fights with the tyranny and freedom folks so that's how they wiggle out of confrontation..

[MDLNB]

That 99% survival rate is not necessarily applicable to people with comorbidities (cancer, heart disease, diabetes), who may be dining in that restaurant, too. How about a little consideration for them?


Why?

[coffeebean]

Welcome back to living. We have been dining out for months, without masks and without the vaccine. I know, I'm one of those ignorant, selfish people who don't buy into the hysteria over a virus with a 99% survival rate.

Maybe so but the 1% might kill ya.

[coffeebean]

But, but, but. How do we know who is fully vaccinated? Do we carry a "I'm fully vaccinated" ID card? A arm patch? A decal on our car? How do we know? Ask, maybe? That could get a little uncomfortable.

Yup. You CAN ask. Check it out here............

No, it’s not a HIPAA violation to ask if someone is vaccinated | ABC27 (https://www.abc27.com/news/health/coronavirus/vaccination-frustration/no-its-not-a-hipaa-violation-to-ask-if-someone-is-vaccinated/)

[coffeebean]

.....

All I see in your avatar is her absolutely gorgeous bewitching eyes.

[coffeebean]

Covid is unique in that it resulted in a Pandemic and the death toll is incredibly high. Plus is it very contagious. So they are writing a new set of rulebooks on this.

You are correct about HIPPA. But, it is your choice whether to take part in whatever activity requires you to provide proof. So, the activity is purely optional.

It's interesting you mention vaccinations to visit other countries. I just found my shot record I had to carry everywhere in the past. I couldn't even board the flight with it.

Airlines are responsible for checking vaccination requirements of your destination before you board. I don't see any of that changing. As more and more countries require Covid vaccinations, it will become second nature for travelers to keep their cards with them.

I have read that each state has a depository of vaccination records that can be used. For what I read, this is how cruise lines will check for vaccine compliance, although you WILL have to sign a release form for them to check the state records. So, you may not need the card at that time.

We're still wearing baby shoes and taking baby steps right now!

Is our governor aware of this practice that will be taking place for cruise lines to gain access to our vaccine records? Seems he does not want the cruise lines or any business to check for proof of vaccine. If that is the case, how will Floridians travel to countries that require proof of vaccine? Seems our governor is not a chess player and has no clue what he has proposed with his new law.

[Byte1]

Finally! I believe the change is only for those who are fully vaccinated. I hope this motivates people who may be on the fence about getting the vaccine.

Why would it make a difference? Now, they can continue to go about their business without worrying about the vaccinated giving them a hard time for not wearing their masks. You cannot force anyone to be vaccinated. They have their reasons for not getting the shots. Just like you have your reasons for getting the shots. It's still a free country.

[Byte1]

Dumb stipulation too. Obviously the ones not vaccinated will say they are. They are the same ones who have cried about wearing a mask this past year so will be the first to pull it off and breath on the rest of us

If you are vaccinated, you shouldn't care whether they "breath on" you. You either had enough confidence in the vaccine or you don't.

[coffeebean]

Doesn't really make sense. It's the vaccines that changed the playing field. If changing the guidelines was the only thing needed to get people back to work; then they should have changed them a year ago.


I think the change in guidelines has more to do with the changing public sentiment than it has to do with science. Even some of the well-known hosts of the opinion programs on the cable news channels are questioning why masks are required. Changing the guidelines, IMO, demonstrates the manipulation the CDC has been conducting on the populace. Think about it. What has changed since November that makes fully vaccinated folks safe today but not back then? If the vaccines are effective (and I believe they are) there's no reason for anyone fully vaccinated to wear a mask at all.

More people are vaccinated. That could be the reason for the new guidance. I think so. We aren't at herd immunity yet so that is the reason why only vaccinated people can take the masks off safely. Those who are not vaccinated yet act like they are by not wearing masks, are more vulnerable to contracting Covid. Good luck to those folks who are not protected.

[coffeebean]

Beside a blatent disregard for others, it doesn't take a math wiz to figure out that a 99% survival rate (many with serious lifelong neurological and other issues) would mean

3.28 MILLION AMERCANS DEAD

Apparently, that is perfectly acceptable to you?

People love to spout off the this virus is 99% survivable but when you get down to it, that is a whole hell of a lot of people. And......to think of those that do survive with transplanted lungs, and all sorts of long haul side effects, that 99% survival rate does not seem so great.

But......there is hope for the Covid long haulers. Seems the mRNA vaccines give many long haulers relief from their long haul side effects. Now, isn't that special???? (think of Dana Carvey when you read that.)

[GrumpyOldMan]

If you are vaccinated, you shouldn't care whether they "breath on" you. You either had enough confidence in the vaccine or you don't.

If you wear a seat belt you might as well drive 120mph through the Villages, why not, you should trust your seat belt.

[coffeebean]

What irritates me are newscasters standing on the street, nobody within 50 feet of them, wearing a mask.

What I would like to see is the people on The Today Show move closer together on set. I know they are all vaccinated because they all received their first shots on camera so they could set a good example to the American people. Now lets show everyone that they trust the vaccine and move closer together. Same with Kelly and Ryan. What is stopping them from getting closer together? They do that trick photography with the camera to make it look like they are sitting close together but they are really very well separated.

If everyone is vaccinated, they should show their confidence in the vaccines.

[GrumpyOldMan]

What I would like to see is the people on The Today Show move closer together on set. I know they are all vaccinated because they all received their first shots on camera so they could set a good example to the American people. Now lets show everyone that they trust the vaccine and move closer together. Same with Kelly and Ryan. What is stopping them from getting closer together? They do that trick photography with the camera to make it look like they are sitting close together but they are really very well separated.

If everyone is vaccinated, show they should show their confidence in the vaccines.

Everyone is doing it, it must be a conspiracy.

[Byte1]

If you wear a seat belt you might as well drive 120mph through the Villages, why not, you should trust your seat belt.

what's that got to do with the virus? Is the seat belt advertised as saving you if you crash doing 120mph? I guess some folks can't have a discussion without using extremes.

[Byte1]

Maybe so but the 1% might kill ya.

So could food poisoning.

[GrumpyOldMan]

what's that got to do with the virus? Is the seat belt advertised as saving you if you crash doing 120mph? I guess some folks can't have a discussion without using extremes.

Extremes are only valid when used against vaccines? I see almost every post against vaccines saying once vaccinated you CAN NOT spread the virus, you CAN NOT get the virus, and on and on. Absolutes fly frequently on this forum

My example was to say seat belts, air bags, crash cages all safety features that help you survive a crash. The same is true of the vaccine, it helps, nothing is 100%. But many litte things helping is better than NOTHING.

[Villageswimmer]

What irritates me are newscasters standing on the street, nobody within 50 feet of them, wearing a mask.

Why should that irritate you? Who cares?

[Byte1]

Why should that irritate you? Who cares?

Actually, it does make it difficult to understand them. Even when COVID was at it's peak (if possible) a broadcaster standing at a distance should be able to take off his/her mask in order to communicate with the public. I do not give credibility to anyone saying it's dangerous, yet they will stand in a combat zone with rockets exploding all around them, showing how brave they are. Just my opinion, but I understand the ludicrous idea of a newsperson feeling they must wear a mask to deliver three lines of supposed news.

[Gulfcoast]

what's that got to do with the virus? Is the seat belt advertised as saving you if you crash doing 120mph? I guess some folks can't have a discussion without using extremes.

A better analogy: My neighbor got a DUI, therefore I shouldn't drive, either (even though I have a perfect driving record and never drink).

If you have gotten your vaccination, you are safe! You won't be getting the virus from anyone else.Time to stop worrying about what others are doing and live your life.

[Justus]

That 99% survival rate is not necessarily applicable to people with comorbidities (cancer, heart disease, diabetes), who may be dining in that restaurant, too. How about a little consideration for them?

You know...I was at a breakfast shop in TV on Saturday. A fully masked woman was standing in line by our table as we were eating. She suddenly pulled her mask off, sneezed on me and my food, then replaced her mask. Two weeks ago, I saw a fully masked man at the coffee/condiment bar. He pulled up his mask, licked his entire row of fingers, and proceeded to handle all items within his reach - with those fingers. That same day, another fully masked woman and her fully masked husband came in to sit at the table next to us. Before taking their seats, she pulled a large bottle of disinfectant from her purse and wiped down every surface. Halfway through her meal, she pulled her mask off and sneezed loudly into the open air, then replaced her mask. So DO please preach the line of how "considerate and caring of others" all the "maskers" are compared to those of us who choose to breathe.

[GrumpyOldMan]

You know...I was at a breakfast shop in TV on Saturday. A fully masked woman was standing in line by our table as we were eating. She suddenly pulled her mask off, sneezed on me and my food, then replaced her mask. Two weeks ago, I saw a fully masked man at the coffee/condiment bar. He pulled up his mask, licked his entire row of fingers, and proceeded to handle all items within his reach - with those fingers. That same day, another fully masked woman and her fully masked husband came in to sit at the table next to us. Before taking their seats, she pulled a large bottle of disinfectant from her purse and wiped down every surface. Halfway through her meal, she pulled her mask off and sneezed loudly into the open air, then replaced her mask. So DO please preach the line of how "considerate and caring of others" all the "maskers" are compared to those of us who choose to breathe.

Would you please provide a link, reference, or anything that confirms anyone has ever said ALL maskers are considerate or others?

Nothing like painting with a broad brush.

[GrumpyOldMan]

A better analogy: My neighbor got a DUI, therefore I shouldn't drive, either (even though I have a perfect driving record and never drink).

If you have gotten your vaccination, you are safe! You won't be getting the virus from anyone else.Time to stop worrying about what others are doing and live your life.

My concern for others has nothing to do with my being vaccinated. It is my belief that we as a society should all do our part to help solve problems that affect all of us.

I know, I am just one of those, "I got mine, so screw you" liberals.

[Justus]

Would you please provide a link, reference, or anything that confirms anyone has ever said ALL maskers are considerate or others?

Nothing like painting with a broad brush.

Nice try. This is supposed to be intimidating how?

[charmed59]

But, but, but. How do we know who is fully vaccinated? Do we carry a "I'm fully vaccinated" ID card? A arm patch? A decal on our car? How do we know? Ask, maybe? That could get a little uncomfortable.

It’s on the honor system. We need to trust our fellow citizens will do the honorable thing.

[Gulfcoast]

My concern for others has nothing to do with my being vaccinated. It is my belief that we as a society should all do our part to help solve problems that affect all of us.

I know, I am just one of those, "I got mine, so screw you" liberals.

Drunk driving is a societal problem. Time to hand over all our driver's licenses and give up our cars. You know that would make no sense.

Neither did shutting down schools to "keep kids safe". Now there could be as many as 3 million children who haven't attended school online or in person in over a year.

We have to use common sense. Certainly making sure that the most vulnerable get top priority for receiving the vaccine was a good, common sense move.

Demanding that all others follow suit, whether they've already had the virus or not, is not reasonable. They are not at great risk from the virus to begin with and the vaccine is not without potential side effects, some of them pretty serious.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Nice try. This is supposed to be intimidating how?

I don't see anything about my post that should be construed as intimidating. It certainly was not intended that way.

I read an article about how to make people, not like you the other day, it was based on people assuming negative intent in other people's comments.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Drunk driving is a societal problem. Time to hand over all our driver's licenses and give up our cars. You know that would make no sense.

Neither did shutting down schools to "keep kids safe". Now there could be as many as 3 million children who haven't attended school online or in person in over a year.

We have to use common sense. Certainly making sure that the most vulnerable get top priority for receiving the vaccine was a good, common sense move.

Demanding that all others follow suit, whether they've already had the virus or not, is not reasonable. They are not at great risk from the virus to begin with and the vaccine is not without potential side effects, some of them pretty serious.

No, we DONT have to use common sense. Children can not get into public schools without being vaccinated because it puts other people at risk. Putting other people are risk is a reasonable thing to make illegal. Like drunk driving, speeding, etc. Active choices that endanger other people.

This has nothing to do with limiting YOUR rights, it has to do with people making choices that put other peoples live at risk

[Gulfcoast]

No, we DONT have to use common sense. Children can not get into public schools without being vaccinated because it puts other people at risk. Putting other people are risk is a reasonable thing to make illegal. Like drunk driving, speeding, etc. Active choices that endanger other people.

This has nothing to do with limiting YOUR rights, it has to do with people making choices that put other peoples live at risk

Florida kids have had the option of attending their physical schools or distance learning since August. Most of the kids in my county returned to their physical schools well before a Covid vaccine was available. So, yes, while there are certain childhood vaccinations that are required to attend school, a flu vaccine and a Covid vaccine are not among them.

No common sense would be along the lines of putting Covid patients into nursing homes with vulnerable elderly people. Everyone knows better than that, right?

Florida kids did just fine attending their physical schools. It made good common sense for them to go back exactly when they did.

[Swoop]

No, we DONT have to use common sense. Children can not get into public schools without being vaccinated because it puts other people at risk. Putting other people are risk is a reasonable thing to make illegal. Like drunk driving, speeding, etc. Active choices that endanger other people.

This has nothing to do with limiting YOUR rights, it has to do with people making choices that put other peoples live at risk

The vaccines currently required for school children are to prevent diseases that are dangerous to children. Covid is not...
In fact Covid is not dangerous to most Americans who are not overweight/obese and have multiple other existing health issues - according to the CDC...

[Tmarkwald]

Covid vaccine is mandatory for nearly every university and rapidly becoming mandatory for every school district. Mandatory vaccinations are upheld by the U S Supreme Court.

[Bay Kid]

My Granddaughter has been in school all year. All of the older members of my family have been vaccinated. Life should get back to normal. If you are not vaccinated by now be careful, but let the rest of the world be set free from govern control.

[Tmarkwald]

My Granddaughter has been in school all year. All of the older members of my family have been vaccinated. Life should get back to normal. If you are not vaccinated by now be careful, but let the rest of the world be set free from govern control.

agreed, that's exactly the right way to put it!

[coffeebean]

What I would like to see is the people on The Today Show move closer together on set. I know they are all vaccinated because they all received their first shots on camera so they could set a good example to the American people. Now lets show everyone that they trust the vaccine and move closer together. Same with Kelly and Ryan. What is stopping them from getting closer together? They do that trick photography with the camera to make it look like they are sitting close together but they are really very well separated.

If everyone is vaccinated, they should show their confidence in the vaccines.

Quoting myself here. The Today Show people are back to sitting close together at their desk on set. They are fully vaccinated and are now following the CDC guidelines for fully vaccinated people. I'm very happy to see this.

Now for Kelly and Ryan. Can't wait to see if they will be sitting close together on set.

[coffeebean]

You know...I was at a breakfast shop in TV on Saturday. A fully masked woman was standing in line by our table as we were eating. She suddenly pulled her mask off, sneezed on me and my food, then replaced her mask. Two weeks ago, I saw a fully masked man at the coffee/condiment bar. He pulled up his mask, licked his entire row of fingers, and proceeded to handle all items within his reach - with those fingers. That same day, another fully masked woman and her fully masked husband came in to sit at the table next to us. Before taking their seats, she pulled a large bottle of disinfectant from her purse and wiped down every surface. Halfway through her meal, she pulled her mask off and sneezed loudly into the open air, then replaced her mask. So DO please preach the line of how "considerate and caring of others" all the "maskers" are compared to those of us who choose to breathe.

My only response to these scenarios you mentioned are that people are CLUELESS. They have no idea why they are even wearing a mask. OR.....they feel their mask is solely protecting them. Again.......hopelessly CLUELESS!

[coffeebean]

It’s on the honor system. We need to trust our fellow citizens will do the honorable thing.

Hate to say it but, this is laughable.

[Tmarkwald]

Hate to say it but, this is laughable.

Yeah, especially considering we had someone on here talking about how they were going to falsify a document to show they were vaccinated when in fact they were not.

There should be fines and consequences for anyone that does this. Lifetime bans from airlines and cruiselines, stores, etc. Plus remuneration to people and companies affected by their dishonesty.

[Bill14564]

Yeah, especially considering we had someone on here talking about how they were going to falsify a document to show they were vaccinated when in fact they were not.

There should be fines and consequences for anyone that does this. Lifetime bans from airlines and cruiselines, stores, etc. Plus remuneration to people and companies affected by their dishonesty.

Who might that be, other unvaccinated people?

Better idea: Forget documentation, protect yourself and stay out of other people's medical decisions.

[stanley]

Quoting myself here. The Today Show people are back to sitting close together at their desk on set. They are fully vaccinated and are now following the CDC guidelines for fully vaccinated people. I'm very happy to see this.

.

Thank God! Now I can get back to living

[stanley]

Yeah, especially considering we had someone on here talking about how they were going to falsify a document to show they were vaccinated when in fact they were not.

There should be fines and consequences for anyone that does this. Lifetime bans from airlines and cruiselines, stores, etc. Plus remuneration to people and companies affected by their dishonesty.

Yeah.....that's why we need to get tatoo'd or chipped :blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

[golfing eagles]

Yeah.....that's why we need to get tatoo'd or chipped :blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

I prefer the chip idea. That way, not only will the government (and every teenage hacker) know your vaccination status, but also your location at all times, where you shop, what movies you go to, what church/temple/mosque you attend, if you go to a gun range, what speed you drive at, and your heart rate during sex-----all the stuff that was encouraged by the 4th amendment :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Tmarkwald]

Yeah.....that's why we need to get tatoo'd or chipped :blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:



lol

[Tmarkwald]

Forget documentation, protect yourself and stay out of other people's medical decisions.

Their medical decisions can adversely affect many people.

Think of quarantines cause by a breakout at a resort, on a cruiseship, a community, even an flight.

All because somebody selfishly put themselves ahead of others.

[Byte1]

Seems to me that a lot of folks are presuming that anyone that is not vaccinated is infected and contagious. How do you all get the idea that anyone not vaccinated is putting you in danger? I have my shots but I went a year and a half living pretty much normally without being vaccinated. Of course, I am sure that some of you will automatically accuse me of being asymptomatic, right? So much mass hysteria. How this country survived this long is a miracle. Obviously, our parents were stronger than the present generations. Some folks need the gov to mandate seat belts on your office chairs.

[Bill14564]

Their medical decisions can adversely affect many people.

Think of quarantines cause by a breakout at a resort, on a cruiseship, a community, even an flight.

All because somebody selfishly put themselves ahead of others.

Breakouts among what group? Vaccinated people are already protected. Get a vaccination and you won't be part of any breakout. You can't prevent those in charge from overreacting (we've seen many examples in the last year) but quarantining vaccinated people to protect against a breakout that is statistically impossible seems foolish.

In no way would I condone falsifying documents. In my perfect world there would be no documents to falsify. That said, I would rather take the risk that someone might "selfishly put themselves ahead of others" than give up my right to privacy.

[Tmarkwald]

Breakouts among what group? Vaccinated people are already protected. Get a vaccination and you won't be part of any breakout. You can't prevent those in charge from overreacting (we've seen many examples in the last year) but quarantining vaccinated people to protect against a breakout that is statistically impossible seems foolish.

In no way would I condone falsifying documents. In my perfect world there would be no documents to falsify. That said, I would rather take the risk that someone might "selfishly put themselves ahead of others" than give up my right to privacy.

I agree - I was not inferring a breakout amongst vaccinated people - that is a statistical impossibility. I meant a breakout amongst the foolish, which in turn affects everyone in the larger group.

That is why said forced quarantine due to a breakout. I am not worried - I had Covid before we knew what it was - Dec/Jan 2020 and had antibodies confirmed in April and vaccinated early this year.... But I don't want to be stuck somewhere because some selfish people decided to falsify documents and not wear masks.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Seems to me that a lot of folks are presuming that anyone that is not vaccinated is infected and contagious. How do you all get the idea that anyone not vaccinated is putting you in danger? I have my shots but I went a year and a half living pretty much normally without being vaccinated. Of course, I am sure that some of you will automatically accuse me of being asymptomatic, right? So much mass hysteria. How this country survived this long is a miracle. Obviously, our parents were stronger than the present generations. Some folks need the gov to mandate seat belts on your office chairs.maybe you weren’t around during polio before the shots when people listened to every rumor about ways to get it and pools, movie theaters and other public places were sometimes closed , or the early days of AIDS when gay people were attacked , many disowned by families and again rumors of all different things you could catch it from and on a lighter note but just as ridiculous the fights about fluoride being put in the water and the experts telling us how bad it was . If the internet had been around then I thing we wouldn’t have enough dentists to fix the amount of cavities people would have and I’m sure we wouldn’t have been able to get rid of polio because so many would claim I have a constitution right to be a fool

[Gulfcoast]

Their medical decisions can adversely affect many people.

Think of quarantines cause by a breakout at a resort, on a cruiseship, a community, even an flight.

All because somebody selfishly put themselves ahead of others.

Umm, the only people catching the virus would be the like minded unvaccinated passengers so why are you worried about this?

[Tmarkwald]

Umm, the only people catching the virus would be the like minded unvaccinated passengers so why are you worried about this?

Because health authorities won't care - they'll throw you into quarantine as well.

[coffeebean]

Umm, the only people catching the virus would be the like minded unvaccinated passengers so why are you worried about this?

There are more concerns than un-vaccinated people catching the virus. Those who are not vaccinated will continue to perpetuate the pandemic by allowing the virus to continue to mutate and create new variants. The current vaccines which have been used to inoculate millions of people globally, may be rendered useless. Booster shots may be in every vaccinated person's future because of people who will not be vaccinated for what ever reason they have.

[Tmarkwald]

Umm, the only people catching the virus would be the like minded unvaccinated passengers so why are you worried about this?

Ok, case in point - You're on a cruise / you're in a resort for a weeklong vacation.

There are 5000 people with you - this is a 100% vaccinated activity.

All safe, no masks, no social distancing.

A large number of unvaccinated people have false documentation and there is an outbreak.

Everyone goes into lockdown. Your vacation is ruined and they force-quarantine you for 21 days.

That's why we worry about the unvaccinated. Because their selfishness just ruined everything.

[Gulfcoast]

Ok, case in point - You're on a cruise / you're in a resort for a weeklong vacation.

There are 5000 people with you - this is a 100% vaccinated activity.

All safe, no masks, no social distancing.

A large number of unvaccinated people have false documentation and there is an outbreak.

Everyone goes into lockdown. Your vacation is ruined and they force-quarantine you for 21 days.

That's why we worry about the unvaccinated. Because their selfishness just ruined everything.

I get what you are saying but I wouldn't travel to a destination that required Covid vaccinations and instituted lock downs. That is not my idea of a vacation.

I'll go to the places that aren't crazy. If you look at how many unvaccinated people have been going to work and to school over the past year you would realize that mass Covid quarantines are stupid and completely unnecessary.

[Tmarkwald]

I get what you are saying but I wouldn't travel to a destination that required Covid vaccinations

That's your decision - not a problem.

I will always err on the side of caution and choose 100% vaccinated areas for my vacation - for the forseeable future.

[Gulfcoast]

That's your decision - not a problem.

I will always err on the side of caution and choose 100% vaccinated areas for my vacation - for the forseeable future.

You will have limited options, but to each their own.

Again, I'm not going to go to a place that is subject to mass Covid quarantines. Your vacation could be wrecked at any moment and you might be stuck in a place for weeks past your expected departure date. No thank you.

I'd rather risk catching Covid, thank you very much.

[coffeebean]

Ok, case in point - You're on a cruise / you're in a resort for a weeklong vacation.

There are 5000 people with you - this is a 100% vaccinated activity.

All safe, no masks, no social distancing.

A large number of unvaccinated people have false documentation and there is an outbreak.

Everyone goes into lockdown. Your vacation is ruined and they force-quarantine you for 21 days.

That's why we worry about the unvaccinated. Because their selfishness just ruined everything.
Have you been on the cruise forums? This scenario is rampant with extremely negative comments towards un-vaccinated people. The cruising public does not want un-vaccinated people on a cruise ship with them, myself included. I'm not fearful for my safety and health as I'm protected by the mRNA vaccine. I do not want to have to deal with the consequences if there is a Covid outbreak on board with un-vaccinated people. Any Covid outbreak on board could be the ruination of the cruise industry.

[Swoop]

Have you been on the cruise forums? This scenario is rampant with extremely negative comments towards un-vaccinated people. The cruising public does not want un-vaccinated people on a cruise ship with them, myself included. I'm not fearful for my safety and health as I'm protected by the mRNA vaccine. I do not want to have to deal with the consequences if there is a Covid outbreak on board with un-vaccinated people. Any Covid outbreak on board could be the ruination of the cruise industry.
Nine members of the NY Yankees organization who had previously received the vaccine are now in quarantine for testing positive...

[Aloha1]

India now the hotbed of 1 out of every 3 new cases of covid 19 thought the epidemic was over for them in February. Don’t count you chickens....

India never had the epidemic until now. They are going thru what the US went through this past winter and last spring.

[coffeebean]

Nine members of the NY Yankees organization who had previously received the vaccine are now in quarantine for testing positive...

Have any of them been hospitalized? I rest my case.

[stanley]

Have any of them been hospitalized? I rest my case.

Is that really the point?

[Swoop]

Have any of them been hospitalized? I rest my case.

You just agreed with a post about only traveling with vaccinated people to avoid inconveniencing yourself on a trip. Yet here is a fully vaccinated group where 9 people tested positive and had to be quarantined...
I rest MY case...

[Gulfcoast]

Have any of them been hospitalized? I rest my case.

If this happened on a cruise ship, would it matter? The point is they tested positive even after being vaccinated.

One thing about the Covid 19 test is that 1) false positives are a well known and documented issue 2) Coronaviruses in general, not just Covid 19 can get you a positive test.

So you could have an outbreak of a cold virus on the ship and, whether it was Covid-19 or not, you could still potentially wind up quarantined in your cabin for weeks on end.

Maybe that is risk worth taking to you. As for me, I refuse to cruise on any ship or go to any place that mandates the vaccine.

[coffeebean]

Is that really the point?

IMHO, yes, that is the point. Just this morning there was discussion of the nine Yankees who have had breakthrough infections after all being fully vaccinated with J&J vaccine. It is being reported that the vaccine is doing its job. None of the effected Yankees have become ill, let alone needing hospitalization. Yes, that most certainly is the point.

[coffeebean]

You just agreed with a post about only traveling with vaccinated people to avoid inconveniencing yourself on a trip. Yet here is a fully vaccinated group where 9 people tested positive and had to be quarantined...
I rest MY case...

My point is that hospitalization will not be necessary. That is a big deal when on a cruise ship in the middle of the ocean.

[stanley]

The "point" is nine people on the same team got the "virus".....after being vaccinated. What are the chances of that? It could be the norm that "nobody" is or wants to talk about.

[coffeebean]

If this happened on a cruise ship, would it matter? The point is they tested positive even after being vaccinated.

One thing about the Covid 19 test is that 1) false positives are a well known and documented issue 2) Coronaviruses in general, not just Covid 19 can get you a positive test.

So you could have an outbreak of a cold virus on the ship and, whether it was Covid-19 or not, you could still potentially wind up quarantined in your cabin for weeks on end.

Maybe that is risk worth taking to you. As for me, I refuse to cruise on any ship or go to any place that mandates the vaccine.

The risk of having a Covid outbreak is less if everyone one board is vaccinated. That is how I see it and yes, I will take that risk. I most certainly will not cruise with known un-vaccinated people. The risk of Covid outbreak is much higher among un-vaccinated and the risk of needing to hospitalize people is greater.

[coffeebean]

The "point" is nine people on the same team got the "virus".....after being vaccinated. What are the chances of that? It could be the norm that "nobody" is or wants to talk about.

Sorry to say but the J&J vaccine does not have near the efficacy in trials or the extremely high real life efficiency of mRNA vaccines. mRNA vaccines are protective against the variants so far. I don't know how the J&J vaccine is fairing with variants.

[tuccillo]

Not really true. Comparisons of efficacy between the 3 vaccines is not really valid, particularly when comparing the J&J with either Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna. The definition of a "positive" case is different for the 3 Phase 3 trials. Also, the J&J Phase 3 trial occurred much later than Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Phase 3 trials. In addition, the J&J Phase 3 trial included a much different population, some of which possibly may have been exposed to variants that were not present during the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna trials.

As I already explained to you, the efficacy is essentially the reduction in the probability that you will develop COVID if exposed to the virus when compared to the unvaccinated. For all 3 vaccines with Emergency Use Authorization, the reduction in the probability is large. More important, the probability of developing a severe case of COVID that requires hospitalization and possibly causing death is near zero for all three vaccines. Breakthrough statistics are still in flux but the numbers are incredibly low.

Sorry to say but the J&J vaccine does not have near the efficacy in trials or the extremely high real life efficiency of mRNA vaccines. mRNA vaccines are protective against the variants so far. I don't know how the J&J vaccine is fairing with variants.

[Bill14564]

The "point" is nine people on the same team got the "virus".....after being vaccinated. What are the chances of that? It could be the norm that "nobody" is or wants to talk about.

Interesting thought.

What if we assume that either the tests are so sensitive (or error prone) that they can pick up signatures of the virus even when there is so little that it will not harm the carrier and cannot infect anyone else? The only way these nine cases were discovered was through administering a test when there were no signs that a test was necessary. Had they been Villagers they would not have been tested and would have continued with their daily lives with no one being harmed. It is possible that if Covid tests were administered to everyone in the crowd at the squares last night there would be several positive results too. Perhaps the testing protocols needs to change or the levels required to be labeled a "positive" test need to be adjusted.

One way to prevent a quarantine on a cruise is don't look for trouble without a reason to; don't administer Covid tests to individuals showing no symptoms.

If a Covid test is performed on a symptomatic individual and comes back positive, assume the unfortunate person is part of the 0.008% (or whatever the current low number is) and isolate the symptomatic individual. Assume the rest of the passengers are in the 99.992% group and let the cruise continue. If a true outbreak occurs, meaning there are several symptomatic individuals, only then would additional measures need to be taken.

I do understand the fear of being inconvenienced by a poorly-considered, mass quarantine. I am far more worried about an overreaction by the cruise line or the health officials than I am of Covid, "acting out of an abundance of caution" truly frightens me.

[Gulfcoast]

The risk of having a Covid outbreak is less if everyone one board is vaccinated. That is how I see it and yes, I will take that risk. I most certainly will not cruise with known un-vaccinated people. The risk of Covid outbreak is much higher among un-vaccinated and the risk of needing to hospitalize people is greater.

I think you miss the point. Any coronavirus, not just COVID-19, can trigger a positive result. You could literally have an outbreak of a cold on the ship and wind up quarantined in your cabin for weeks because of false positive tests.

When you submit to government overreach, you take your chances.

[Gulfcoast]

Interesting thought.

What if we assume that either the tests are so sensitive (or error prone) that they can pick up signatures of the virus even when there is so little that it will not harm the carrier and cannot infect anyone else? The only way these nine cases were discovered was through administering a test when there were no signs that a test was necessary. Had they been Villagers they would not have been tested and would have continued with their daily lives with no one being harmed. It is possible that if Covid tests were administered to everyone in the crowd at the squares last night there would be several positive results too. Perhaps the testing protocols needs to change or the levels required to be labeled a "positive" test need to be adjusted.

One way to prevent a quarantine on a cruise is don't look for trouble without a reason to; don't administer Covid tests to individuals showing no symptoms.

If a Covid test is performed on a symptomatic individual and comes back positive, assume the unfortunate person is part of the 0.008% (or whatever the current low number is) and isolate the symptomatic individual. Assume the rest of the passengers are in the 99.992% group and let the cruise continue. If a true outbreak occurs, meaning there are several symptomatic individuals, only then would additional measures need to be taken.

I do understand the fear of being inconvenienced by a poorly-considered, mass quarantine. I am far more worried about an overreaction by the cruise line or the health officials than I am of Covid, "acting out of an abundance of caution" truly frightens me.

Exactly! Good post.

[coffeebean]

I think you miss the point. Any coronavirus, not just COVID-19, can trigger a positive result. You could literally have an outbreak of a cold on the ship and wind up quarantined in your cabin for weeks because of false positive tests.

When you submit to government overreach, you take your chances.

Are you saying that these Covid tests are not specific for the Covid virus? I've always thought these Covid tests are not accurate as there are too many false positives. Are these false positives because they are detecting corona viruses that cause the common cold? Yikes. That is truly ludicrous.

One cruise line, NCL, is requiring fulling vaccinated crew and passengers. I do not think NCL is requiring Covid testing, just the vaccine. But.....having said that, there are countries for ports of call that do require a Covid test. This could be a huge problem if people have a common cold and test positive on a Covid test. That just sucks!