Another idiot driver in the roundabout - dashcam video

[Lottoguy]

What you see here happens constantly. When will people finally learn the correct way in a roundabout?

Another Idiot Driver In The Villages - YouTube (https://youtu.be/vaLZZf2s1RM)

[njbchbum]

LOL Is the roundabout the only place you see "idiot" drivers? If so, count yourself lucky! Defensive driving should be a routine practice at all times one is driving - not one saved for roundabouts!

[manaboutown]

What an incompetent driver!

[karostay]

Stay alert expect the un expected

[Blueblaze]

Which idiot are you complaining about?

If you look at the arrows on the road, you will see that the right lane is supposed to continue straight (take the exit), while the inner lane has the option of continuing around or exiting. The idiot in the left lane chose to exit, while the outer lane idiot ignored the arrow and continued around the circle. However, I did notice that the idiot in the left lane failed to signal his intent.

I think the circles are designed to work that way to prevent idiots from changing lanes in the circle. Notice the solid lane dividers? That means you're supposed to stay in your lane. How would anyone in the left lane ever get out of the circle if he can't change lanes or cross the outer lane to exit? Notice the dashed lane divider, allowing the left lane to exit the circle? But maybe you were complaining about the outer lane guy?

My understanding is that the outer lane is for taking the first exit -- turning right immediately. At least that's what the Villages sales lady told me when I asked her how the traffic circles are supposed to work.

[VApeople]

My understanding is that the outer lane is for taking the first exit -- turning right immediately.

You are wrong. It is fine to go straight from the right lane. I do it all the time.

[MrFlorida]

I always expect to be cut off in the roundabouts, and I am seldom disappointed.

[Blueblaze]

You are wrong. It is fine to go straight from the right lane. I do it all the time.

I do it too. It's just what the Villages saleslady told me, and the confusing arrows tend to confirm it.

So who was the idiot in the video? The guy in the left lane, for failing to signal?

Personally, I find the idiots who use TOV to complain about their neighbors all the time more annoying than a guy exiting a traffic circle without signalling.

[GrumpyOldMan]

It is an absolute certainty that they are idiots. I mean they could not possibly be 75 years old and never have driven in a round about before. Nope, nope, nope...

[Kenswing]

I always expect to be cut off in the roundabouts, and I am seldom disappointed.
Yep. We've been here three weeks. I quickly learned that while in a roundabout you had better act as if the guy next to you is aiming for you. lol

[Ben Franklin]

When I was living in NJ the answer to the question - who has the right away in a round-about? was - the biggest truck, or the car with the most dents and scratches.

[Polar Bear]

. . .

[rustyp]

Before too many feet are inserted into mouths study this. I would have published the entire pamphlet but the majority wouldn't read it anyway.

89508

[Bogie Shooter]

I do it too. It's just what the Villages saleslady told me, and the confusing arrows tend to confirm it.

So who was the idiot in the video? The guy in the left lane, for failing to signal?

Personally, I find the idiots who use TOV to complain about their neighbors all the time more annoying than a guy exiting a traffic circle without signalling.

“villages saleslady”:1rotfl::1rotfl:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I dunno, it looked like everyone did what they were supposed to do, other than the guy on the inside lane using his signal to indicate he was exiting out of the circle (that would be his RIGHT turn signal, for those who still insist that halfway around the circle is "straight" and 3/4 around the circle is a "left turn" by the way. Every single exit is a RIGHT exit out of the circle.).

Each care was paced safely away from each other car, and everyone went at a nice staggered pace around and out.

[Two Bills]

I dunno, it looked like everyone did what they were supposed to do, other than the guy on the inside lane using his signal to indicate he was exiting out of the circle (that would be his RIGHT turn signal, for those who still insist that halfway around the circle is "straight" and 3/4 around the circle is a "left turn" by the way. Every single exit is a RIGHT exit out of the circle.).

Each care was paced safely away from each other car, and everyone went at a nice staggered pace around and out.

The white car was in the wrong lane.

[stanley]

I dunno, it looked like everyone did what they were supposed to do,

Each care was paced safely away from each other car, and everyone went at a nice staggered pace around and out.

No. The white SUV should've taken either the first or second "exit".
rustyp's attachment in post #13 says it all

Before too many feet are inserted into mouths study this. I would have published the entire pamphlet but the majority wouldn't read it anyway.

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[VApeople]

So who was the idiot in the video?

There was no idiot.

Each driver behaved normally. If you expect anything different, you are dreaming.

Of course, the driver in the right lane should not have gone 3/4 way around the roundabout, but a lot of drivers do that. We should expect it to happen and be prepared for it.

[Topspinmo]

I do it too. It's just what the Villages saleslady told me, and the confusing arrows tend to confirm it.

So who was the idiot in the video? The guy in the left lane, for failing to signal?

Personally, I find the idiots who use TOV to complain about their neighbors all the time more annoying than a guy exiting a traffic circle without signalling.



The guy I left lane only has us to signal IF he going to third exit. He DONT have to signal going straight, going straight is NOT turning. The idiot in right lane if got hit by the person in Left lane would of got the ticket for NOT yielding. You can’t just blunder around to third exit in the right outside lane. It just like turning left on 4 lane road from the right lane.

[davem4616]

hey deal with it, in Boston we never used a turn signal...why would we ever wanna give the enemy any information on what we're planning to do???

It's tough world out there...drive defensively and expect the unexpected

[Malsua]

These circles should simply go to one lane to prevent this confusion. You get in the circle when it's clear, exit when you want. No one crossing in front of anyone else.

[Nucky]

Suppose today was the first time the White SUV was ever on The Villages premises. They are in the outer lane approaching the roundabout then enter the roundabout and realize they want to continue to the next exit in the roundabout just like they did. Would a left-hand blinker applied sooner make what they did correct? Yes or No??

Many people have zero experience with the road conditions that present themself in The Villages. Many places where curbs are placed and not brightly painted are another trouble spot. Curbs are also put in unusual spots throughout the entire operation. That would be on the street and on the Cart Paths.

Whatever. It's gonna be what it's gonna be. NOTHING will ever stop the foolishness we witness daily. The best you can do is protect yourself. Best of Luck to All.

[Polar Bear]

I think a lot of drivers new to The Villages and roundabouts feel like the safest way to travel them is to stick to the outside lane and go slow…no matter which exit they plan to take.

For newbs, I can’t really blame them. And if more experienced drivers follow the important rules of yielding to both lanes in the roundabout and not driving next to any vehicle while in the roundabout, it doesn’t result in a problem.

[JoMar]

These circles should simply go to one lane to prevent this confusion. You get in the circle when it's clear, exit when you want. No one crossing in front of anyone else.

And watch everyone fight for that one lane and watch the traffic back up for blocks. That's why all modern roundabout construction is multi lane. Single lane creates road rage.....heck here, two lane roundabouts create road range.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Ah okay I spaced out on that first exit, it came up basically right after you entered.

This is the hard part though: what would you have done if the white car had come in from that spot, and was planning on going 2 exits away (one further than you)? He'd still be where he was, and you'd still be where you were, and he'd have the right to continue in that lane, and you'd still have the right to exit from your lane.

That's WHY these traffic circles are so harrowing. Because it really doesn't matter what lane you are "supposed" to be in. If I came in from the exit before yours, and I came in on the inner lane, and I'm taking my second exit...and you show up in the outer lane and you're taking YOUR second exit - we're both doing what we are allowed to do. Except - there's that risk that I'm going to try and take that exit I'm allowed to take, while you're still heading toward the exit you're allowed take - and there might just be a potential for a crash unless everyone is going at exactly the right speed, at exactly the right distance from each other, in exactly the right order.

[Bill14564]

Ah okay I spaced out on that first exit, it came up basically right after you entered.

This is the hard part though: what would you have done if the white car had come in from that spot, and was planning on going 2 exits away (one further than you)? He'd still be where he was, and you'd still be where you were, and he'd have the right to continue in that lane, and you'd still have the right to exit from your lane.

That's WHY these traffic circles are so harrowing. Because it really doesn't matter what lane you are "supposed" to be in. If I came in from the exit before yours, and I came in on the inner lane, and I'm taking my second exit...and you show up in the outer lane and you're taking YOUR second exit - we're both doing what we are allowed to do. Except - there's that risk that I'm going to try and take that exit I'm allowed to take, while you're still heading toward the exit you're allowed take - and there might just be a potential for a crash unless everyone is going at exactly the right speed, at exactly the right distance from each other, in exactly the right order.

In your example, if the vehicle entering second yields to the vehicle already in the circle then their will be no conflict. The vehicle already in the circle, the one in the inner lane, will have time to exit where he wants before the second vehicle reaches the same spot.

[Two Bills]

The whole point of roundabouts is continuous flow, which is why correct lane discipline is paramount.
If all cars enter in the correct lane no car would have to give way.
A roundabout is nothing more than a road junction/crossroad.
Would you turn left from the right hand lane at a normal crossroad?
Same lane discipline at a roundabout.:ho:

[Malsua]

That's why all modern roundabout construction is multi lane. Single lane creates road rage.....heck here, two lane roundabouts create road range.

I know of roundabouts here in NJ that were built in the last few years that are single lane. High volume too. No issues.

[golfing eagles]

The whole point of roundabouts is continuous flow, which is why correct lane discipline is paramount.
If all cars enter in the correct lane no car would have to give way.
A roundabout is nothing more than a road junction/crossroad.
Would you turn left from the right hand lane at a normal crossroad?
Same lane discipline at a roundabout.:ho:

Agree, as long as a car entering the RB yields to cars in BOTH lanes, as they are required to by law. Otherwise you end up with the scenario 2 posts above, where a vehicle going straight after entering the outer lane crosses in front of a vehicle that is in the inner lane that is going straight from his entrance 90 degrees earlier

[thevillages2013]

What you see here happens constantly. When will people finally learn the correct way in a roundabout?

Another Idiot Driver In The Villages - YouTube (https://youtu.be/vaLZZf2s1RM)

I am pretty sure that some never will learn how to drive the roundabouts especially after reading some of these posts. Turn signals in roundabouts are senseless IMO if you are in the correct lane for the exit you take then it is seamless. I see left turn signals in roundabouts when a left can not be made. The big key is that he who is already in the roundabout has the right of way so don’t enter said roundabout until vehicles already in roundabout have passed you NO MATTER WHAT LANE THEY ARE IN.

[dewilson58]

Glass Houses.

[Girlcopper]

[QUOTE=VApeople;1945493]You are wrong. It is fine to go straight from the right lane. I do it all the time.[TE]
And there comes another accident.....SMH.......typical

[Girlcopper]

What you see here happens constantly. When will people finally learn the correct way in a roundabout?

Another Idiot Driver In The Villages - YouTube (https://youtu.be/vaLZZf2s1RM)
Another local nitwit.

[rjsantos592]

Sounds to me like this was staged. How could you possibly know that this "white" car was going to cut in front of you at that distance?

[Two Bills]

Agree, as long as a car entering the RB yields to cars in BOTH lanes, as they are required to by law. Otherwise you end up with the scenario 2 posts above, where a vehicle going straight after entering the outer lane crosses in front of a vehicle that is in the inner lane that is going straight from his entrance 90 degrees earlier

As the main subject was lane discipline, as in the video, I only commented on that.
As for giving way to traffic in both lanes, before entering, that is definitely a bridge to far for many.
It come in the same category as stopping at stop signs, purely advisory!

[toeser]

The driver in the left lane had the right-of-way to exit. His error was not in signaling his turn. Perhaps you need to learn how round-abouts work.

[bonrich]

Left lane, option to take first exit, or continue around the circle to next exit, or go around another time because you missed your exit. The right lane is for first exit safely.

[Rosebud1949]

What you see here happens constantly. When will people finally learn the correct way in a roundabout?

Another Idiot Driver In The Villages - YouTube (https://youtu.be/vaLZZf2s1RM)

If they were used at least you would have had some warning. Turing left INDICATE LEFT TURINING RIGHT INDICATE RIGHT This applies on roundabouts as well as other turns.

The changing lanes in mid roundabout is also dangerous, what are the white guidelines for drivers !!!!!

The whole idea of roundabouts is to keep the traffic moving. WHEN you use them correctly it works. Sadly this is not the only place where IDIOT driving is seen here.

[golfing eagles]

Left lane, option to take first exit, or continue around the circle to next exit, or go around another time because you missed your exit. The right lane is for first exit safely.

No, NO, NO!!!!

NEVER take first exit from left lane. NEVER!!!. First exit is NOT an "option"

Right(outer) lane is for 1st and 2nd exits
Left(inner) lane is for 2nd and 3rd exits.

That is why you should NEVER enter a RB with traffic in EITHER lane.

Signals are nice, but I don't trust anyone with their signal on, anywhere. And for the driver who is stupid enough to come right along side you in a RB, they can't see them anyway.

[Malsua]

No, NO, NO!!!!

NEVER take first exit from left lane. NEVER!!!. First exit is NOT an "option"

Right(outer) lane is for 1st and 2nd exits
Left(inner) lane is for 2nd and 3rd exits.

That is why you should NEVER enter a RB with traffic in EITHER lane.


And this is why if they simply made them 1 lane, this issue goes away.

As OBB said up above, if the white SUV had entered at the 2nd entrance instead of the cammer entrance, they could theoretically be in exactly the same place, at exactly the same time, the only difference is that they entered in a different spot.
In that particular case, they'd be perfectly fine with doing exactly what they did as far as the direction, they still probably failed to yield.

Someone is supposed to yield, and the only way to make the yield crash proof is to...NEVER ENTER a RB with traffic. I.E. then what's the point of having two lanes?

[akerwin1909]

Yep, I was here 18 days and didn’t know that others didn’t know how to drive in the roundabout. I was hit on right side-$6k in damages that my insurance had to pay. Then the woman had the nerve to say it was my fault. Incredible...

[Cassieb]

The driver in the left lane DID NOT have the right of way!!

[akerwin1909]

Yep, I was here 18 days and didn’t know that others didn’t know how to drive in the roundabout. I was hit on right side-$6k in damages that my insurance had to pay. Then the woman had the nerve to say it was my fault. She said I pulled in front of her! Well yeah I did because I had the right of way. Incredible...

[Bill14564]

And this is why if they simply made them 1 lane, this issue goes away.

As OBB said up above, if the white SUV had entered at the 2nd entrance instead of the cammer entrance, they could theoretically be in exactly the same place, at exactly the same time, the only difference is that they entered in a different spot.
In that particular case, they'd be perfectly fine with doing exactly what they did as far as the direction, they still probably failed to yield.

Someone is supposed to yield, and the only way to make the yield crash proof is to...NEVER ENTER a RB with traffic. I.E. then what's the point of having two lanes?

This could not happen if the white SUV yielded to traffic already in the circle before entering at the 2nd entrance.

[golfing eagles]

The driver in the left lane DID NOT have the right of way!!

Yes, he did!

The driver in the left lane was correctly navigating the RB, the driver in the right lane was 100% WRONG for trying to go 270 in the outer lane. Clearly, you need to review the pamphlet on RBs they give to every newbie.

[larrycrilley@gmail.com]

I make it a point to never have another vehicle next to me in a traffic circle. This greatly reduces the chance of colliding with an errant driver. This leaves me an ‘out’ and/or a chance to avoid collision. One can ever tell what other vehicles will be doing.

[GOLFER54]

I always use signals when I cut in front of cars 😀

[Kathryn Putt]

Go back to when learning how to drive: what does the solid line mean and what does the dotted line mean?!?!

[golfing eagles]

Go back to when learning how to drive: what does the solid line mean and what does the dotted line mean?!?!

Hopefully that was a rhetorical question. Hopefully. But then again, the thread is discussing RB driving in TV, so all bets are off:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[donfey]

What you see here happens constantly. When will people finally learn the correct way in a roundabout?

Another Idiot Driver In The Villages - YouTube (https://youtu.be/vaLZZf2s1RM)

Some people think the outside lane is "safest." The diagram in the video, and shown by another poster, is perfect, but it's NOT law. The driver on the outside has "a right" to do what he/she did, but it's neither the safest nor the smartest. Best rules: never be next to another vehicle in the circle, and use your signals.

[stanley]

Some people think the outside lane is "safest." The diagram in the video, and shown by another poster, is perfect, but it's NOT law. The driver on the outside has "a right" to do what he/she did, but it's neither the safest nor the smartest. Best rules: never be next to another vehicle in the circle, and use your signals.

Maybe not "illegal" but certainly reckless and could be cited for such by Johnny Law

[ChicagoNative]

Go back to when learning how to drive: what does the solid line mean and what does the dotted line mean?!?!
Exactly!

[JMintzer]

Sounds to me like this was staged. How could you possibly know that this "white" car was going to cut in front of you at that distance?

Really?

The driver had his dash-cam on (as many drivers do whenever they're driving)...

He did a "voice over" about what happened AFTER THE INCIDENT...

No one knew "that this white car was going to cut in front of you"...

[JMintzer]

Maybe not "illegal" but certainly reckless and could be cited for such by Johnny Law

No, it's illegal... Get in an accident and you'll be the one cited...

[NotGolfer]

Then there are those who say, "up north-where we lived they did it a different way!" This isn't "where you're from". Laws and rules may be different. People bring their habits with them and sometimes have to re-learn the hard way. I've heard some, who said "up north" they never stopped at stop signs or used their signals---they just gunned it and went like heck. IF everyone did the circles like the OP indicated just think---we'd not have this discussion. BTW....notice when they all approached the circle--there was already a car in it and THAT car nearly came to a stop. That too is a no-no!!

[golfing eagles]

Some people think the outside lane is "safest." The diagram in the video, and shown by another poster, is perfect, but it's NOT law. The driver on the outside has "a right" to do what he/she did, but it's neither the safest nor the smartest. Best rules: never be next to another vehicle in the circle, and use your signals.

OK, from the Florida DMV for the written exam:

Driving Through A Multi-lane Roundabout
Driving through a multi-lane roundabout is trickier than driving through a single-lane roundabout since you have to select the right lane depending on the exit you plan to take. Most two-lane roundabouts allow traffic in the right lane to turn right and go straight through the roundabout, while traffic in the left lane must go straight, turn left or return in the direction it came from. Most of the multi-lane roundabouts will have lane use control signs that will help you choose the right lane.

1

Approaching the roundabout.
Slow down and select the appropriate lane, depending on the exit you are planning to take. You must select the lane in advance while it is still allowed by pavement markings. Yield to any pedestrians crossing the street.

2

Yield to traffic already on the roundabout,
wait for a gap and enter it. You must enter the correct lane.

3

Signal your intent to exit the roundabout
as soon as you pass the street before your exit. If you are driving in the left lane, be aware of other vehicles that may be on your right.

4

Yield to any pedestrians that may be crossing the street.
Yeild to pedestrians and exit the intersection.


Roundabout Traffic Rules For Cyclists
In most cases, bicyclists should dismount and walk their bicycles across the pedestrian crosswalk just like any other pedestrian. This is a safer option that should be chosen by most cyclists.

Roundabouts for Cyclists
Experienced cyclists may choose to cycle through the roundabout, obeying traffic rules just like any driver. You must yield to pedestrians and vehicles that are already on the roundabout. Ride in the middle of the lane so drivers will not be tempted to pass you. Avoid driving through multi-lane roundabouts, drivers traveling through the roundabout may not see you in their mirrors.

I've included the last part for all our cyclists who think it is OK to blow through the yield signs in a pack of 20.

[mike234]

if you think is ever going to end, you are wrong. these people will run you over, and not even care, or remember the next day.
if you don't drive defensively, get ready for a loaner car.

[Petersweeney]

What you see here happens constantly. When will people finally learn the correct way in a roundabout?

Another Idiot Driver In The Villages - YouTube (https://youtu.be/vaLZZf2s1RM)

I wonder if someone followed you around all day and filmed
You doing something stupid then posted it on the internet..... you would call that guy a big jerk ...

[debb3c]

There’s YouTube videos that show how to drive around them, I make sure I don’t drive beside anyone, or that I can see their rear end.

[debb3c]

I agree, no one should call anyone names, it’s hurtful and definitely not helpful. The real reason someone would put someone down is to try to make themselves look taller. It doesn’t work

[Pinball wizard]

I found this video quite good.

Navigating a 2 lane roundabout (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEhNboz5GPk)

[charmed59]

The easiest way to think about is to imagine taking the circle median away. You now have a four way intersection with two lanes. When entering the intersection the left lane is for turning left, going straight, or making a U turn. The right lane is for turning right or going straight.

The thing that amazes me the most is you will see cars going 3 exits around in the outside lane all the time. Yet most of the time, just like in the video, people shake their heads and drive on with out a scratch. Despite folks not understanding the circles we have very few accidents.

[markandjane]

Which idiot are you complaining about?

If you look at the arrows on the road, you will see that the right lane is supposed to continue straight (take the exit), while the inner lane has the option of continuing around or exiting. The idiot in the left lane chose to exit, while the outer lane idiot ignored the arrow and continued around the circle. However, I did notice that the idiot in the left lane failed to signal his intent.

I think the circles are designed to work that way to prevent idiots from changing lanes in the circle. Notice the solid lane dividers? That means you're supposed to stay in your lane. How would anyone in the left lane ever get out of the circle if he can't change lanes or cross the outer lane to exit? Notice the dashed lane divider, allowing the left lane to exit the circle? But maybe you were complaining about the outer lane guy?

My understanding is that the outer lane is for taking the first exit -- turning right immediately. At least that's what the Villages sales lady told me when I asked her how the traffic circles are supposed to work.

Mmm, I think you need to look at the video again before you start throwing insults. The white car can go right or straight, but not left. The car with the camera can go left or go straight, and he went straight. He's not required to signal to go straight...not sure what your eyes were looking at.

[mmorrison123]

Nice graphic from the pamphlet. One thing that you can see is that none of the routes through the circle cross any solid or dashed lane markers (except for the ones to enter the circle. Is so simple. Don’t cross solid lines. If you must cross a dashed line you must give right it way to any vehicles already in the lane on the other side of the dashed line. It’s no different in a circle than anywhere else on the road.

[Maxsan]

All good except Moyer loop and penellis at Morris. Getting off at Moyer loop (by fire station) is tricky, on,y one exit road, two lanes!

[chuckandbernice]

You must always be aware of what the painted lines on the road are telling you just as you would at traffic lights as to which lane to take. Sometimes there are no signs to warn you in advance. Of course sometimes the lines are wrong such as the arrows near St Timothy's on Paige Place that would have you turn left into the golf course fairway.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Cut and Paste.
If you intend to travel through the roundabout and continue straight ahead, it can be appropriate to use either lane to enter and travel through the roundabout. The only concern in this case is that you should make sure you stay in the same lane throughout and also be sure to use your turn signal when you are ready to exit. If you are exiting from the inside lane, be careful that there isn’t a vehicle in the outside lane that intends to keep circling. Not everyone is aware of this guideline, so be careful in these situations.

[OhioBuckeye]

You know no matter what the rules of the road is or in this case rules of the roundabout is, people make up their own rules as they go. It’s a mess when some roundabout sometimes have 10 to 15 cars going around in roundabouts at once. No matter who’s fault it is they’re going to say it’s the other guys fault. I got my way of doing it & it works for me. This has always been a issue, just be careful. It never hurts or takes 10 sec. to keep going around the roundabout until your senior moment passes. Don’t hurry be safe!

[BlackhawksFan]

How to drive the circle. Watch for the double lane circle at the end.

How to Drive in a Traffic Circle - Aceable 360 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/l_eNraXP-wc)

[Bogie Shooter]

Only 109 more posts for a new record on a roundabout thread.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/how-navigate-roundabouts-155158/?highlight=roundabouts 178 posts

[Joe C.]

People will always argue about who is right or what is correct. Nobody will ever be happy.
But you can't argue this: When you get behind the steering wheel, you should be knowledgeable about driving.

AND ...... I believe that anyone over 65 (me included), should take and pass a physical road test every year when they re-register their vehicle.

[golfing eagles]

You know no matter what the rules of the road is or in this case rules of the roundabout is, people make up their own rules as they go. It’s a mess when some roundabout sometimes have 10 to 15 cars going around in roundabouts at once. No matter who’s fault it is they’re going to say it’s the other guys fault. I got my way of doing it & it works for me. This has always been a issue, just be careful. It never hurts or takes 10 sec. to keep going around the roundabout until your senior moment passes. Don’t hurry be safe!

Wow, I didn't realize YOU get to make up YOUR own way of navigating a RB!. Just wondering how YOUR way works out for everybody else?

[Topspinmo]

hey deal with it, in Boston we never used a turn signal...why would we ever wanna give the enemy any information on what we're planning to do???

It's tough world out there...drive defensively and expect the unexpected

News flash nobody else in country does either. So, Bostonite’s aren’t special. :)

[Topspinmo]

People will always argue about who is right or what is correct. Nobody will ever be happy.
But you can't argue this: When you get behind the steering wheel, you should be knowledgeable about driving.

AND ...... I believe that anyone over 65 (me included), should take and pass a physical road test every year when they re-register their vehicle.

Disagree, it everybody or nobody testing every year.

[Topspinmo]

You know no matter what the rules of the road is or in this case rules of the roundabout is, people make up their own rules as they go. It’s a mess when some roundabout sometimes have 10 to 15 cars going around in roundabouts at once. No matter who’s fault it is they’re going to say it’s the other guys fault. I got my way of doing it & it works for me. This has always been a issue, just be careful. It never hurts or takes 10 sec. to keep going around the roundabout until your senior moment passes. Don’t hurry be safe!

But, if you get into accident it’s law enforcement that has the last say. So, it’s better to know the rules.

[Topspinmo]

Only 109 more posts for a new record on a roundabout thread.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/how-navigate-roundabouts-155158/?highlight=roundabouts 178 posts


I’ll add to that, if it makes you happy:)

[Topspinmo]

Some people think the outside lane is "safest." The diagram in the video, and shown by another poster, is perfect, but it's NOT law. The driver on the outside has "a right" to do what he/she did, but it's neither the safest nor the smartest. Best rules: never be next to another vehicle in the circle, and use your signals.

So you saying traffic laws when navigating a roundabout are wrong. It’s only unsafe when don’t follow the signs and law.

[Topspinmo]

Go back to when learning how to drive: what does the solid line mean and what does the dotted line mean?!?!

Follow signs and rule of roundabout, cause for most of there was no roundabout’s when we learned how to drive.

[airstreamingypsy]

To me, the car that's a whisker ahead, may turn in front of me. It may not supposed to, but I expect they might....... it's worked for me so far.

[Lottoguy]

You are NOT supposed to change lanes in the roundabout. That is why you get into the correct lane before you enter it. There is a SIGN telling you the correct lane to be in.

[DaleDivine]

All good except Moyer loop and penellis at Morris. Getting off at Moyer loop (by fire station) is tricky, only one exit road, two lanes!
I agree with Maxsan, coming out of Pinellas pl gate going towards Sarasota and Walmart
is a totally different situation. Going from two lanes on Pinellas Pl to one lane on Moyer, people on the inside lane have to continue around and the outside lane has the option to exit on Moyer. I see people on the inside lane cut other drivers off almost daily going through this RB.
:ohdear::pray::ohdear:

[Lottoguy]

The guy in the left land was doing it correctly. It's amazing to see how many people have no clue on how to navigate a roundabout. This is why you watch that person on your right carefully.

[Marty94]

All good except Moyer loop and penellis at Morris. Getting off at Moyer loop (by fire station) is tricky, on,y one exit road, two lanes!

The Pinellas roundabout is indeed problematic. Many times cars exiting Pinellas gate (which is two lanes) heading toward the firehouse start in the left lane and then decide to exit on the opposite side which indeed is one lane. You have to be prepared that if you are in the right lane, the car to your left is going to cut you off.

[DaleDivine]

I had a friend going through the RB at Pinellas Pl and Buena Vista. She was on Buena Vista in the right lane and made the same move the white SUV did in the OP's video.
The car on the inside hit her and she was given a ticket for cutting in front of the other driver.
:popcorn::popcorn:

[Lottoguy]

A $30.00 dashcam would have ended that argument right away. Buy one asap!

[Bogie Shooter]

I had a friend going through the RB at Pinellas Pl and Buena Vista. She was on Buena Vista in the right lane and made the same move the white SUV did in the OP's video.
The car on the inside hit her and she was given a ticket for cutting in front of the other driver.
:popcorn::popcorn:

Confirmation!

[gladesratt1]

Would like to know what brand of Dash Cam do you have? Looking to get one, and yours seems to have an excellent picture.
Thanks.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I know of roundabouts here in NJ that were built in the last few years that are single lane. High volume too. No issues.

We have some traffic circles in Connecticut, and there's never been issues with them. They're all single-lane circles.

[golfing eagles]

The Pinellas roundabout is indeed problematic. Many times cars exiting Pinellas gate (which is two lanes) heading toward the firehouse start in the left lane and then decide to exit on the opposite side which indeed is one lane. You have to be prepared that if you are in the right lane, the car to your left is going to cut you off.

You mean proceed legally 180 degrees through the RB in the left(inner) lane, not "cut you off" You have no more right to exit there than the other driver does. This is why you should never drive side by side in a RB. But point taken---this is a design fault of this RB, IMHO.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

All good except Moyer loop and penellis at Morris. Getting off at Moyer loop (by fire station) is tricky, only one exit road, two lanes!

Same with Morse to Paige Place.

[Polar Bear]

…you should never drive side by side in a RB…
Bingo. Solves 99% of all roundabout problems. :)

[rmd2]

And this is why if they simply made them 1 lane, this issue goes away.

As OBB said up above, if the white SUV had entered at the 2nd entrance instead of the cammer entrance, they could theoretically be in exactly the same place, at exactly the same time, the only difference is that they entered in a different spot.
In that particular case, they'd be perfectly fine with doing exactly what they did as far as the direction, they still probably failed to yield.

Someone is supposed to yield, and the only way to make the yield crash proof is to...NEVER ENTER a RB with traffic. I.E. then what's the point of having two lanes?

If they made them one lane we would be backed up 3 blocks long at these round abouts.

[jimjamuser]

It is an absolute certainty that they are idiots. I mean they could not possibly be 75 years old and never have driven in a round about before. Nope, nope, nope...
I wonder if anyone ever tried this solution........merge all the 2 lanes into 1 lane BEFORE they get to a round-a-bout. Then have only 1 lane inside the round-about. Some will say that this will cause very big backups. Then, if there are long backups, that means that there probably needs to be a 4-way traffic light installed. So, in conclusion, use round-a-bouts ( to save the cost of traffic lights) on roads with ONLY light traffic. I welcome other out-of-the-box ideas.

[Two Bills]

I wonder if anyone ever tried this solution........merge all the 2 lanes into 1 lane BEFORE they get to a round-a-bout. Then have only 1 lane inside the round-about. Some will say that this will cause very big backups. Then, if there are long backups, that means that there probably needs to be a 4-way traffic light installed. So, in conclusion, use round-a-bouts ( to save the cost of traffic lights) on roads with ONLY light traffic. I welcome other out-of-the-box ideas.

I would suggest, that suggestion stays in the box!

[jfkilduff]

Careful who u call an idiot that maneuver is allowed in TV. However I agree if you’re in the right hand lane u should exit at first exit. Left lane vehicle has a choice. That’s the correct way to navigate a roundabout

[golfing eagles]

Careful who u call an idiot that maneuver is allowed in TV. However I agree if you’re in the right hand lane u should exit at first exit. Left lane vehicle has a choice. That’s the correct way to navigate a roundabout

No, that "maneuver" of going around 270 degrees in the outer lane is NOT ALLOWED, which does in fact make that driver "an idiot". You can exit from the right(outer) lane at EITHER the first or second exit. Left(inner) lane vehicle should exit at the second or third exit. No one should enter when a vehicle is in EITHER lane

That’s the correct way to navigate a roundabout

[Blueblaze]

Mmm, I think you need to look at the video again before you start throwing insults. The white car can go right or straight, but not left. The car with the camera can go left or go straight, and he went straight. He's not required to signal to go straight...not sure what your eyes were looking at.

Insults? I was merely using the OP's own language to ask him which "idiot" he was complaining about. There seemed to be plenty of blame to go around, including the guy who thought it was a good idea to film his neighbors so he could ridicule them online.

But I'm truly sorry if I came off insulting. I was going for "ironic". I guess I hoped that echoing the OP's own language might cause people to realize that it's not necessary to be insulting in order to educate (although I don't think education was what the OP had on his mind when he posted this thread about "idiots"!).

Frankly, as I've already said, I get a little tired of all the threads created for the sole purpose of complaining about our neighbors. I thought this was supposed to be "America's Friendliest Hometown".

[jmaccallum]

Before too many feet are inserted into mouths study this. I would have published the entire pamphlet but the majority wouldn't read it anyway.

89508

If you are not supposed to continue around the circle from the outer lane, then why is there an arrow pointing leftward in the outer lane by the number 7 on the picture, and a dotted white line as you approach that point in the outer lane? Of course I agree with everybody else: When in the Circle, Watch Out!

[golfing eagles]

If you are not supposed to continue around the circle from the outer lane, then why is there an arrow pointing leftward in the outer lane by the number 7 on the picture, and a dotted white line as you approach that point in the outer lane? Of course I agree with everybody else: When in the Circle, Watch Out!

For the people who entered at the 3 o'clock position and are permitted to go straight across in the right lane. Just another reason not to enter a RB if there is traffic in EITHER lane

[JMintzer]

Insults? I was merely using the OP's own language to ask him which "idiot" he was complaining about. There seemed to be plenty of blame to go around, including the guy who thought it was a good idea to film his neighbors so he could ridicule them online.

Who did that?

Film his neighbors so he could ridicule them?

He posted a clip from his dashcam, something many people use as a form of protection.

He then simply added a voiceover to a clip that showed someone doing something stupid...

You can find dashcam videos all over youtube showing idiots being idiots...

[mike234]

you actually film people doing this?
do you also film bad parking?
do you film deed violations?
people filming other people can be dangerous....
maybe you are the one reporting bad things to the paper?

[Barborv]

I rent my place when I'm not in TV. I keep the round about pamphlet on the hallway table and on the coffee table in the living room.

[thevillages2013]

Left lane, option to take first exit, or continue around the circle to next exit, or go around another time because you missed your exit. The right lane is for first exit safely.

Totally wrong ! Left or inside lane is NEVER for the first exit

[golfing eagles]

Totally wrong ! Left or inside lane is NEVER for the first exit

Wish I had said that! Oh, wait a minute, I did. (post #39)

[Marathon Man]

No, that "maneuver" of going around 270 degrees in the outer lane is NOT ALLOWED, which does in fact make that driver "an idiot". You can exit from the right(outer) lane at EITHER the first or second exit. Left(inner) lane vehicle should exit at the second or third exit. No one should enter when a vehicle is in EITHER lane

That’s the correct way to navigate a roundabout

Not allowed by what? The law? Notice all those signs are green? That means information, not traffic law. From a legal stand point, once you are in a roundabout, does it matter where you came from?

We should all be following the green signs. But, does "not allowed" apply?

[golfing eagles]

Not allowed by what? The law? Notice all those signs are green? That means information, not traffic law. From a legal stand point, once you are in a roundabout, does it matter where you came from?

We should all be following the green signs. But, does "not allowed" apply?

See my post #56, from the Florida DMV.

[jimjamuser]

I would suggest, that suggestion stays in the box!
OK, that's an opinion, but it would have been more polite to explain WHY it was such a bad idea. The round-a-bouts have ALWAYS been problems and will ALWAYS be problems. They only seem to work well when traffic density is low. Therefore, all suggestions for change should be considered. I always liked one-way streets like the way Washington D.C. was set up. For example, it MIGHT (?) work to have all 4 lanes of Morse go (say ) SOUTH and all 4 lanes of Buena Vista go (say) NORTH. Then the smaller east / west roads could also be made one way. I believe that one-way roads tend to have fewer accidents.

[MizJodi]

Is there anywhere in the US where it is legal to make a left hand turn from the right hand lane?

[Jeanne wilson]

Roundabouts should only have one lane, to turn from the left lane and make a right turn is asking for an accident. In Ohio, they are one lane.

[rustyp]

10000+ views so far. Roundabouts never seem to loose the luster no matter how many "Sumter County Sherriff" pamphlets are published. No problem - don't argue here - argue your standpoint to the Sherriff Deputy that hands you the traffic violation. I'm too lazy tonight to research but my guess is dog poop is still the number one thread.

[dewilson58]

10000+ views so far. Roundabouts never seem to loose the luster no matter how many "Sumter County Sherriff" pamphlets are published. No problem - don't argue here - argue your standpoint to the Sherriff Deputy that hands you the traffic violation. I'm too lazy tonight to research but my guess is dog poop is still the number one thread.

We need a poop pamphlet.

[JMintzer]

you actually film people doing this?
do you also film bad parking?
do you film deed violations?
people filming other people can be dangerous....
maybe you are the one reporting bad things to the paper?

Did you bother to read the thread before passing judgement?

Once again, many people drive w/a "dash-cam" mounted to their front mirror. They are quite popular in parts of Europe due the the explosion of people causing accidents and then trying to blame the other party. It's a huge problem over there...

So, to explain what happened (once again), the OP was driving, minding his own business, when this happened right in front of him.

Since he was driving with his dash-cam on ( a smart move, IMHO), he caught the infraction on his dash-cam...

He then added a voice over, explaining what had happened and posted it here...

If you think he was actually following people, just to videotape them, maybe your paranoia meter needs an adjustment...

[JMintzer]

OK, that's an opinion, but it would have been more polite to explain WHY it was such a bad idea. The round-a-bouts have ALWAYS been problems and will ALWAYS be problems. They only seem to work well when traffic density is low. Therefore, all suggestions for change should be considered. I always liked one-way streets like the way Washington D.C. was set up. For example, it MIGHT (?) work to have all 4 lanes of Morse go (say ) SOUTH and all 4 lanes of Buena Vista go (say) NORTH. Then the smaller east / west roads could also be made one way. I believe that one-way roads tend to have fewer accidents.

Washington DC was set up by L'Enfant while taking Mushrooms... I'm positive about that...

A grid system, with multiple, randomly placed wagon wheel like circles, with just a sprinkling of diagonal avenues, thrown in for sh!ts and giggles...

[Malsua]

Did you bother to read the thread before passing judgement?

Once again, many people drive w/a "dash-cam" mounted to their front mirror. They are quite popular in parts of Europe due the the explosion of people causing accidents and then trying to blame the other party. It's a huge problem over there...

So, to explain what happened (once again), the OP was driving, minding his own business, when this happened right in front of him.

Since he was driving with his dash-cam on ( a smart move, IMHO), he caught the infraction on his dash-cam...

He then added a voice over, explaining what had happened and posted it here...

If you think he was actually following people, just to videotape them, maybe your paranoia meter needs an adjustment...

I've been running dash cams in my cars since that Russian Meteor in 2013.

Driving north from TV last week I caught this on the dash cam. It's a 4k dashcam so there's a lot of real estate to work with and any movement is done post processing in Adobe Premiere.
Vehicle Fire, Interstate 95 North Bound, somewhere in South Carolina. 5-8-21 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/MzpyY66IArY)

Shooting star and flash on one trip back from the Airport on my Dashcam.
Shooting Star and flash - YouTube (https://youtu.be/5XOHP_P_ePM) Look in the upper right in the early part.

Another one here:
Shooting Star - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxy4YOYHYj8)

I've got a ton more dashcam videos on my channel. I also post BBQ and other things.

[Polar Bear]

…The round-a-bouts have ALWAYS been problems and will ALWAYS be problems...
If that’s your opinion, of course you are entitled to it and it is true for you. But it is far from fact and has been proven wrong by many studies.

[I'm Popeye!]

Here is the problem, which gives the right to that white SUV driver to cross the broken line.
The lane-line should be a solid white line not a broken line, IMHO.

[Joe C.]

The dotted line allows the driver to change lanes (go left), but the onus is on that driver to be sure that the other lane is clear for him to make the change. Anytime a driver makes a lane change, he puts himself in the “liability zone “.

[Bill14564]

Here is the problem, which gives the right to that white SUV driver to cross the broken line.
The lane-line should be a solid white line not a broken line, IMHO.

The broken line enables drivers entering from the right to continue straight. The driver in the white car, who entered previously and not from the right, must go straight and exit the circle.

As has been explained in several posts before, it really is NOT/NOT that hard to understand. The rules are logical and are clearly marked on every entrance to every circle in the Villages. Many of these comments seem to be struggling hard to find justifications for bad habits.

[BlackhawksFan]

News flash nobody else in country does either. So, Bostonite’s aren’t special. :)

It's Bostonian's.

[JMintzer]

It's Bostonian's.

https://s7.sears.com/is/image/SearsTransformstage/Bostonian_Shoes_600x400?$Dynamic_Media$

[Polar Bear]

Here is the problem, which gives the right to that white SUV driver to cross the broken line.
The lane-line should be a solid white line not a broken line, IMHO.
Nope. The dashed line is proper. The driver in the right lane is allowed to go straight through the roundabout.

[I'm Popeye!]

Here is the problem, which gives the right to that white SUV driver to cross the broken line.
The lane-line should be a solid white line not a broken line, IMHO.

Nope. The dashed line is proper. The driver in the right lane is allowed to go straight through the roundabout.

That's exactly what I said, "give the White car the right to cross the line". Again, the broken line should be a solid line to keep cars from turning into oncoming traffic.
Please read carefully what others write.

[Lottoguy]

No the broken line is for those entering the roundabout from the far ride road entry.

[Lottoguy]

Then that means the person entering from the far right road can only go right immediately.

[Bill14564]

That's exactly what I said, "give the White car the right to cross the line". Again, the broken line should be a solid line to keep cars from turning into oncoming traffic.
Please read carefully what others write.

Good advice. If you were to take your own advice you would have seen:

The broken line enables drivers entering from the right to continue straight. The driver in the white car, who entered previously and not from the right, must go straight and exit the circle.



and

Nope. The dashed line is proper. The driver in the right lane is allowed to go straight through the roundabout.

Again: The rules are simple and are posted at every entry to all circles in the Villages (all that I have been through anyway).

[PugMom]

I always expect to be cut off in the roundabouts, and I am seldom disappointed.

ikr! just expect it & be aware that it MAY happen

[Two Bills]

OK, that's an opinion, but it would have been more polite to explain WHY it was such a bad idea. The round-a-bouts have ALWAYS been problems and will ALWAYS be problems. They only seem to work well when traffic density is low. Therefore, all suggestions for change should be considered. I always liked one-way streets like the way Washington D.C. was set up. For example, it MIGHT (?) work to have all 4 lanes of Morse go (say ) SOUTH and all 4 lanes of Buena Vista go (say) NORTH. Then the smaller east / west roads could also be made one way. I believe that one-way roads tend to have fewer accidents.

Roundabouts are not a problem, they are a positive in getting cars from A to B quicker.
The problem is lazy drivers who cannot be bothered to learn the rule of the road, and make up their own rules.
The rest of the world has no problems with them.
Just Villagers!!

[golfing eagles]

Here is the problem, which gives the right to that white SUV driver to cross the broken line.
The lane-line should be a solid white line not a broken line, IMHO.

And if he had just entered the RB and was going 180 degrees straight through? You would then have him crossing a SOLID white line.

[PugMom]

hey deal with it, in Boston we never used a turn signal...why would we ever wanna give the enemy any information on what we're planning to do???

It's tough world out there...drive defensively and expect the unexpected

Boston has/had some of THE most confusing traffic patterns, & some of the most daring drivers i'd ever seen :icon_wink:

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Let's not be so quick to trash the "idiot driver." The driver crossed a broken white line.

This is from stateofFlorida.com:

"Broken white lines separate lines of traffic going in the same direction. They may be crossed with care."

If the line were solid where the white SUV crossed lanes, you would be correct.

[stanley]

.............and round and round we go...........................

Pun intended

[LiverpoolWalrus]

...

[JMintzer]

Let's not be so quick to trash the "idiot driver." The driver crossed a broken white line.

This is from stateofFlorida.com:

"Broken white lines separate lines of traffic going in the same direction. They may be crossed with care."

If the line were solid where the white SUV crossed lanes, you would be correct.


Pretty sure that "traffic going in the same direction" doesn't include "making a left turn from the right lane"...

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo View Post
News flash nobody else in country does either. So, Bostonite’s aren’t special.

It's Bostonian's.

Actually it's Bostonians.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Pretty sure that "traffic going in the same direction" doesn't include "making a left turn from the right lane"...

OK, got ya. Busted!

[LiverpoolWalrus]

The purple elephant in the living room...the real rule breaker that nobody likes to talk about because of the large number of golf carts here... is how many TV golf cart drivers don't know (or ignore) the rule that they must yield to cars when they merge with ongoing traffic. But that's another story. When I'm driving, I yield to golf carts just to keep the peace, though, and avoid an accident.

[Topspinmo]

Is there anywhere in the US where it is legal to make a left hand turn from the right hand lane?


You mean I can cross two or three lane with unbroken lines separating them to make left turn? After all the lines are unbroken? Or do I have merge safely well before my left turn to proper lane and then turn?

I also haven’t seen anywhere in this country either.

[Number 10 GI]

Roundabouts are not a problem, they are a positive in getting cars from A to B quicker.
The problem is lazy drivers who cannot be bothered to learn the rule of the road, and make up their own rules.
The rest of the world has no problems with them.
Just Villagers!!

You forget that the people living in TV all came from somewhere else in the world.

[Topspinmo]

Ah okay I spaced out on that first exit, it came up basically right after you entered.

This is the hard part though: what would you have done if the white car had come in from that spot, and was planning on going 2 exits away (one further than you)? He'd still be where he was, and you'd still be where you were, and he'd have the right to continue in that lane, and you'd still have the right to exit from your lane.

That's WHY these traffic circles are so harrowing. Because it really doesn't matter what lane you are "supposed" to be in. If I came in from the exit before yours, and I came in on the inner lane, and I'm taking my second exit...and you show up in the outer lane and you're taking YOUR second exit - we're both doing what we are allowed to do. Except - there's that risk that I'm going to try and take that exit I'm allowed to take, while you're still heading toward the exit you're allowed take - and there might just be a potential for a crash unless everyone is going at exactly the right speed, at exactly the right distance from each other, in exactly the right order.


Simple the car entering HAS to YIELD to traffic IN the roundabout. You don’t get to pull out in right outside lane just cause the no traffic in the outside lane. The car in the inside lane maybe going straight threw why have to yield to ALL traffic in roundabout.

[Topspinmo]

Sounds to me like this was staged. How could you possibly know that this "white" car was going to cut in front of you at that distance?
No. If you got through three roundabouts you WILL see it.

[EdFNJ]

Just another video to get YouTube Hits. Who cares if someone is in the wrong lane (despite the fact it seems they were not). Really ... who cares? That won't be the first or the last time a driver may (or may not) have been in the wrong lane. If you want more laughs just watch failarmy.com.

[Topspinmo]

And this is why if they simply made them 1 lane, this issue goes away.

As OBB said up above, if the white SUV had entered at the 2nd entrance instead of the cammer entrance, they could theoretically be in exactly the same place, at exactly the same time, the only difference is that they entered in a different spot.
In that particular case, they'd be perfectly fine with doing exactly what they did as far as the direction, they still probably failed to yield.

Someone is supposed to yield, and the only way to make the yield crash proof is to...NEVER ENTER a RB with traffic. I.E. then what's the point of having two lanes?


Well, when the model T was around we had one lanes. Millions of vehicles later? Multi-lanes.

[Topspinmo]

I wonder if someone followed you around all day and filmed
You doing something stupid then posted it on the internet..... you would call that guy a big jerk ...

I see you like learning experiences.

[Topspinmo]

Nice graphic from the pamphlet. One thing that you can see is that none of the routes through the circle cross any solid or dashed lane markers (except for the ones to enter the circle. Is so simple. Don’t cross solid lines. If you must cross a dashed line you must give right it way to any vehicles already in the lane on the other side of the dashed line. It’s no different in a circle than anywhere else on the road.


Roundabout have different rules. The dash line are for the left lane to exit straight or entering roundabout it you need to merge to left lane. They are NOT for the right lane that entered the roundabout. If you enter in the right lane you have to exit at the first or second exit. If you get hit cause you didn’t yield going to third exit you will in most cases be tickete?

[Topspinmo]

10000+ views so far. Roundabouts never seem to loose the luster no matter how many "Sumter County Sherriff" pamphlets are published. No problem - don't argue here - argue your standpoint to the Sherriff Deputy that hands you the traffic violation. I'm too lazy tonight to research but my guess is dog poop is still the number one thread.


Just shows how few really take the time to learn and negotiate roundabout properly.

[golfing eagles]

The purple elephant in the living room...the real rule breaker that nobody likes to talk about because of the large number of golf carts here... is how many TV golf cart drivers don't know (or ignore) the rule that they must yield to cars when they merge with ongoing traffic. But that's another story. When I'm driving, I yield to golf carts just to keep the peace, though, and avoid an accident.

That's not a hard and fast rule of any kind. The rules of merging apply--- the vehicle merging (in this case the cart) has to yield the right of way to the non-merging vehicle (in this case the car). BUT......the relative positions of both vehicles figure in. A cart does not need to "yield" to a car that is a quarter of a mile away from the merge point, nor 500 feet, nor 200 feet. If the cart has a reasonable lead position, it may merge. This is especially true since most merge points have a yellow speed limit sign that slows cars down to 20 in the merge zone. Therefore, if you are ahead of a car going 20 in a cart, that car should NEVER be closing the distance between you. However, as we all know, many cars will try to race a cart to the merge point to be "first".

[Topspinmo]

To me, the car that's a whisker ahead, may turn in front of me. It may not supposed to, but I expect they might....... it's worked for me so far.

Well, if you in wrong lane and you hit that whisker you’ll get the ticket. I know person that got hit in rear corner going to third exit buy car in left lane going straight and the outside ( right) lane driver got the ticket.

[Topspinmo]

OK, that's an opinion, but it would have been more polite to explain WHY it was such a bad idea. The round-a-bouts have ALWAYS been problems and will ALWAYS be problems. They only seem to work well when traffic density is low. Therefore, all suggestions for change should be considered. I always liked one-way streets like the way Washington D.C. was set up. For example, it MIGHT (?) work to have all 4 lanes of Morse go (say ) SOUTH and all 4 lanes of Buena Vista go (say) NORTH. Then the smaller east / west roads could also be made one way. I believe that one-way roads tend to have fewer accidents.

Roundabout only problem for people who won’t learn and follow rules of navigating roundabout. That’s the PROBLEM.

[Topspinmo]

Roundabouts should only have one lane, to turn from the left lane and make a right turn is asking for an accident. In Ohio, they are one lane.

See you still have that model T driving attitude.

This is not Kansas (ohio) Toto. :)

[golfing eagles]

See you still have that model T driving attitude.

This is not Kansas (ohio) Toto. :)

At least we don't have to jump into this:

The Craziest Roundabout in Europe - Arc de Triomphe in Paris - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2RCPpdmSVg)

[Polar Bear]

1) When approaching the roundabout, yield to BOTH lanes before you enter;

2) When in the roundabout, never drive next to another vehicle.

All problems solved. :)

[Malsua]

1) When approaching the roundabout, yield to BOTH lanes before you enter;

2) When in the roundabout, never drive next to another vehicle.

All problems solved. :)

It's almost as if having just a single lane would solve these issues. :a040:

[Polar Bear]

It's almost as if having just a single lane would solve these issues. :a040:
And present a whole new set of problems you do not want to deal with. :a040:

[JMintzer]

Actually it's Bostonians.


https://media.tenor.com/images/303a86814b295a12571845417a559068/tenor.gif

[Topspinmo]

I am just amazed how many really don’t know rules when approaching, entering, and exiting roundabout.:shocked:

[Two Bills]

You forget that the people living in TV all came from somewhere else in the world.

True.
Shame they left the ability to to follow simple instructions behind!:icon_wink:

[Two Bills]

Only 109 more posts for a new record on a roundabout thread.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/how-navigate-roundabouts-155158/?highlight=roundabouts 178 posts

Nearly there!

[Malsua]

And present a whole new set of problems you do not want to deal with. :a040:

Funny, but I have lived in NJ for the past 25 years and driven in Europe quite a lot over the last 15. I can think of only one circle anywhere near me that has two lanes. It also has a stop light. The circle is intersection is 287/202/206 in Somerville. It's also only kinda 2 lanes. At one spot it drops to one lane, so if you're in the wrong one, you have to merge out.

I also have gone through probably 100 circles around SW Germany where we have a facility so I get there frequently. All of them are single lane. There are a couple near our England facility in Slough that typically have 4-6 cars in the roundabout continuously all day. It is quite busy. I don't see all these massive queues you folks keep talking about. Single lane.

[l2ridehd]

A roundabout is nothing but a traffic light replacement. Treat it the same as the light at Morse and 466a. Always yield if someone IN EITHER LANE is in the circle. If you want to go right enter in the right lane. If you want to turn left enter in the left lane. If you want to go straight thru, either lane work. Same as a traffic light. So simple even an idiot should be able to do it.

[Two Bills]

Funny, but I have lived in NJ for the past 25 years and driven in Europe quite a lot over the last 15. I can think of only one circle anywhere near me that has two lanes. It also has a stop light. The circle is intersection is 287/202/206 in Somerville. It's also only kinda 2 lanes. At one spot it drops to one lane, so if you're in the wrong one, you have to merge out.

I also have gone through probably 100 circles around SW Germany where we have a facility so I get there frequently. All of them are single lane. There are a couple near our England facility in Slough that typically have 4-6 cars in the roundabout continuously all day. It is quite busy. I don't see all these massive queues you folks keep talking about. Single lane.

The majority are single lane highways in the first place not, two or three lanes into one.
In UK you will seldom see a two or three lane highway funneled into a single lane on an approach to a roundabout.
If that were the case, the narrowing is way back from the junction.
Our roundabouts are two three lanes, and in some cases flowing left and right, (Hemel Hemstead) yet we have no problems negotiating them 'cos we 'follow the science!!':icon_wink:

[golfing eagles]

A roundabout is nothing but a traffic light replacement. Treat it the same as the light at Morse and 466a. Always yield if someone IN EITHER LANE is in the circle. If you want to go right enter in the right lane. If you want to turn left enter in the left lane. If you want to go straight thru, either lane work. Same as a traffic light. So simple even an idiot should be able to do it.


Look at the previous 159 posts and see if you can come up with an idiot percentage!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Malsua]

Our roundabouts are two three lanes, and in some cases flowing left and right, (Hemel Hemstead) yet we have no problems negotiating them 'cos we 'follow the science!!':icon_wink:

The really complicated ones have lights. I know the one outside of the Copthorne Hotel where we have stayed frequently is, to put it mildly, insane. I will drive two miles out of my way to avoid it. That particular one is a circle pierced by four lanes and has 2-3 lanes circling in a whirly gig of chaotic motion. It's not because I can't figure it out, I have actually gone on it a bunch of times, it's because I'm usually jet lagged and now I'm on the opposite side of the road. I can just go the opposite way and not have to deal with trying to re-wire my brain to go the other way. It really messes up your instincts and takes a day or two and a good night sleep to get it sorted.

[JMintzer]

Look at the previous 159 posts and see if you can come up with an idiot percentage!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I'm estimating a solid 50%... (and I'm being generous...)

[CFrance]

No, NO, NO!!!!

NEVER take first exit from left lane. NEVER!!!. First exit is NOT an "option"

Right(outer) lane is for 1st and 2nd exits
Left(inner) lane is for 2nd and 3rd exits.

That is why you should NEVER enter a RB with traffic in EITHER lane.

Signals are nice, but I don't trust anyone with their signal on, anywhere. And for the driver who is stupid enough to come right along side you in a RB, they can't see them anyway.
Everyone should print this out and tape it to their sun visor. It's the clearest, most correct explanation of roundabout rules. And the part about yielding to both lanes is most important, and the one that people ignore the most.

[Two Bills]

The really complicated ones have lights. I know the one outside of the Copthorne Hotel where we have stayed frequently is, to put it mildly, insane. I will drive two miles out of my way to avoid it. That particular one is a circle pierced by four lanes and has 2-3 lanes circling in a whirly gig of chaotic motion. It's not because I can't figure it out, I have actually gone on it a bunch of times, it's because I'm usually jet lagged and now I'm on the opposite side of the road. I can just go the opposite way and not have to deal with trying to re-wire my brain to go the other way. It really messes up your instincts and takes a day or two and a good night sleep to get it sorted.

Actually the Highway dept. are putting traffic lights on many roundabouts these days.
Really frustrating to sit and wait for green when the old system worked perfectly well.
Still, some jobsworth has earned an 'innovation' bonus!
PS. Do you work for Mars? That's the only good thing to come out of Slough apart from the A4!

[CFrance]

Yep, I was here 18 days and didn’t know that others didn’t know how to drive in the roundabout. I was hit on right side-$6k in damages that my insurance had to pay. Then the woman had the nerve to say it was my fault. Incredible...
I'm interested to know... who got ticketed? It should have been her, but you never know these days. Some sheriff's officers have given out incorrect information in the past.

[CFrance]

10000+ views so far. Roundabouts never seem to loose the luster no matter how many "Sumter County Sherriff" pamphlets are published. No problem - don't argue here - argue your standpoint to the Sherriff Deputy that hands you the traffic violation. I'm too lazy tonight to research but my guess is dog poop is still the number one thread.
It's a tossup. People are anal about roundabouts and dog poop.
(See what I did there?)

[CFrance]

It's Bostonian's.
It's Bostonians.

[Lottoguy]

Then that means if you wanted a SOLID white line in that spot then all the cars coming from the far right road (St. Charles) can only go right all the time.

[Psacc0]

Ah okay I spaced out on that first exit, it came up basically right after you entered.

This is the hard part though: what would you have done if the white car had come in from that spot, and was planning on going 2 exits away (one further than you)? He'd still be where he was, and you'd still be where you were, and he'd have the right to continue in that lane, and you'd still have the right to exit from your lane.

That's WHY these traffic circles are so harrowing. Because it really doesn't matter what lane you are "supposed" to be in. If I came in from the exit before yours, and I came in on the inner lane, and I'm taking my second exit...and you show up in the outer lane and you're taking YOUR second exit - we're both doing what we are allowed to do. Except - there's that risk that I'm going to try and take that exit I'm allowed to take, while you're still heading toward the exit you're allowed take - and there might just be a potential for a crash unless everyone is going at exactly the right speed, at exactly the right distance from each other, in exactly the right order.
If the white car was entering from the right (3 o’clock) you’re correct, he can go straight. However, he cannot enter while the dash cam car is coming. All cars in the roundabout (both lanes) have the right of way. Once no one is coming, he can enter the roundabout and go on across to the far exit (9 o’clock).

[DavidCovid]

In my opinion, in order to minimize a crash within the roundabout it may be beneficial for the traffic engineers to draw on the pavement, on each lane at the moment a vehicle enters the roundabout and mark the path each lane can travel. Example - If a vehicle enters the roundabout from the right lane, the line will follow either a direct straight path or the ability to turn right.

[Bill14564]

In my opinion, in order to minimize a crash within the roundabout it may be beneficial for the traffic engineers to draw on the pavement, on each lane at the moment a vehicle enters the roundabout and mark the path each lane can travel. Example - If a vehicle enters the roundabout from the right lane, the line will follow either a direct straight path or the ability to turn right.

Sort of like the markings on the green signs posted at the entry to each roundabout in the Villages?

[rustyp]

Before too many feet are inserted into mouths study this. I would have published the entire pamphlet but the majority wouldn't read it anyway.

89508

:popcorn:

Remember way back to post #13 ?

[Malsua]

Actually the Highway dept. are putting traffic lights on many roundabouts these days.
Really frustrating to sit and wait for green when the old system worked perfectly well.
Still, some jobsworth has earned an 'innovation' bonus!
PS. Do you work for Mars? That's the only good thing to come out of Slough apart from the A4!

It's been a couple years since I've been to the facility in Slough, but no, it's not Mars. That building shut down as a production facility and is just a sales office now so I probably will have no reason to go back. Our main EU production facility is in Brebach Germany, near Saarbrucken. We have offices all over the world though and probably 6 in Germany alone.

I do love driving on the Autobahn. Had this Fiesta ST rental a couple years ago. This is a Fiesta body with a rally suspension and a real motor with around 210hp. It does indeed hit the limiter at 223kph.

[Number 10 GI]

Funny, but I have lived in NJ for the past 25 years and driven in Europe quite a lot over the last 15. I can think of only one circle anywhere near me that has two lanes. It also has a stop light. The circle is intersection is 287/202/206 in Somerville. It's also only kinda 2 lanes. At one spot it drops to one lane, so if you're in the wrong one, you have to merge out.

I also have gone through probably 100 circles around SW Germany where we have a facility so I get there frequently. All of them are single lane. There are a couple near our England facility in Slough that typically have 4-6 cars in the roundabout continuously all day. It is quite busy. I don't see all these massive queues you folks keep talking about. Single lane.

Was driving in Barcelona, Spain a number of years ago, there were a few round abouts that had 4 lanes.

[CFrance]

Was driving in Barcelona, Spain a number of years ago, there were a few round abouts that had 4 lanes.
The one around the Arc de Triomphe in Paris has 7 lanes and 12 entrances. And traffic entering it have the right-of-way.

The Craziest Roundabout in Europe - Arc de Triomphe in Paris - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2RCPpdmSVg)

[Two Bills]

The one around the Arc de Triomphe in Paris has 7 lanes and 12 entrances. And traffic entering it have the right-of-way.

The Craziest Roundabout in Europe - Arc de Triomphe in Paris - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2RCPpdmSVg)

The amazing thiing is it works, and during rush hour, is basically controlled by pedestrians using the pedestrian crossings in the side streets

[nn0wheremann]

What you see here happens constantly. When will people finally learn the correct way in a roundabout?

Another Idiot Driver In The Villages - YouTube (https://youtu.be/vaLZZf2s1RM)
You are the idiot. He was in the roundabout before you so he had right of way. You further violated when you attempted to pass him in the roundabout. You get the roundabout Bozo Of The Week award. Just be glad you did not try that stuff in Chicago.

[golfing eagles]

You are the idiot. He was in the roundabout before you so he had right of way. You further violated when you attempted to pass him in the roundabout. You get the roundabout Bozo Of The Week award. Just be glad you did not try that stuff in Chicago.

That nonsense wins today's official:

[Two Bills]

You are the idiot. He was in the roundabout before you so he had right of way. You further violated when you attempted to pass him in the roundabout. You get the roundabout Bozo Of The Week award. Just be glad you did not try that stuff in Chicago.

:ohdear:

[hal195z]

If you are in the right lane when entering a traffic circle you may exit at the first or second option. If you are in the left lane you may exit at the second or third exit or continue to the fourth exit thus making a U-turn and going back the way you came. Using your turn signal when exiting a traffic circle is a very good idea but is not a law here in Florida. Look out!!!