mRNA Links on TOTV

[Tmarkwald]

It seems like every thread on anything to do with Covid eventually dissolves into a vaccinated vs non-vaccinated discussion. Many times people quote mRNA misconceptions as the reason. But Anti-vaxxers don't care if it is mRNA or not - they just refuse to get vaccinated regardless of the health risks.

To keep this from evolving into more of the same, here are all the mRNA threads already on TOTV:


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/medical-health-discussion-94/what-know-about-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-315265/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/mrna-vaccines-do-offer-more-immunity-than-natural-infection-319156/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/scientist-who-laid-groundwork-mrna-vaccines-318481/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/mrna-vaccines-not-gene-therapy-317863/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/medical-health-discussion-94/research-summary-safety-efficacy-bnt162b2-mrna-covid-19-vaccine-315075/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/real-truth-about-messenger-rna-318451/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/pfizer-moderna-full-fda-approval-319408/

I don't think we need any more........

[Neils]

Why did you start another thread on the same old topic? Covid is old news thanks to warpspeed

[Tmarkwald]

Why did you start another thread on the same old topic? Covid is old news thanks to warpspeed

I put all the mRNA pasts in one thread since it gets rehashed all the time.

Although saying Covid is old news might be an overstatement........... It may be to you and I, but I can't help commenting when someone quotes false or misleading information gleaned from some crazy site and quoting it like it is gospel...

[Reiver]

So we should post in all of those threads and keep them current?

[Taltarzac725]

It seems like every thread on anything to do with Covid eventually dissolves into a vaccinated vs non-vaccinated discussion. Many times people quote mRNA misconceptions as the reason. But Anti-vaxxers don't care if it is mRNA or not - they just refuse to get vaccinated regardless of the health risks.

To keep this from evolving into more of the same, here are all the mRNA threads already on TOTV:


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/medical-health-discussion-94/what-know-about-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-315265/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/mrna-vaccines-do-offer-more-immunity-than-natural-infection-319156/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/scientist-who-laid-groundwork-mrna-vaccines-318481/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/mrna-vaccines-not-gene-therapy-317863/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/medical-health-discussion-94/research-summary-safety-efficacy-bnt162b2-mrna-covid-19-vaccine-315075/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/real-truth-about-messenger-rna-318451/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/pfizer-moderna-full-fda-approval-319408/

I don't think we need any more........

Thanks for doing that!!

[Two Bills]

Why did you start another thread on the same old topic? Covid is old news thanks to warpspeed

Was that the initiative after bleach speed?:icon_wink:

[Eg_cruz]

It seems like every thread on anything to do with Covid eventually dissolves into a vaccinated vs non-vaccinated discussion. Many times people quote mRNA misconceptions as the reason. But Anti-vaxxers don't care if it is mRNA or not - they just refuse to get vaccinated regardless of the health risks.

To keep this from evolving into more of the same, here are all the mRNA threads already on TOTV:


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/medical-health-discussion-94/what-know-about-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-315265/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/mrna-vaccines-do-offer-more-immunity-than-natural-infection-319156/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/scientist-who-laid-groundwork-mrna-vaccines-318481/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/mrna-vaccines-not-gene-therapy-317863/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/medical-health-discussion-94/research-summary-safety-efficacy-bnt162b2-mrna-covid-19-vaccine-315075/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/real-truth-about-messenger-rna-318451/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/pfizer-moderna-full-fda-approval-319408/

I don't think we need any more........
Why don’t you just stop already. By this time everyone has made their choice so just let it go already.

FYI if you choose to believe in the left media mob good for you, if you choose to believe in big Pharm good for you. I choose not yo believe in either......I go by history with both

“Let it go, Let it go”

[Byte1]

Seems like a desperate plea or attempt to prove to oneself that they made the right decision to get the vaccination. To be honest with you, the more I read about this stuff the more I am wondering whether or not we made the right decision to get the vaccination. AND, I am not sure that making children get the vaccination at this early stage, when the virus is not very dangerous to them in general, is not such a great idea either.
At this point, after reading all the comments on here and listening to all the desperate folks attempting to convince others that they made the right decision to get vaccinated, I have made a preemptive decision to NOT get the booster shot when offered.
I keep hearing such ideas as "mandatory mask wearing" "mandatory vax passports" "madatory vaccination IDs" etc. I have never heard so many folks demanding that the gov MANDATE their opinions and wants in my life. And the free give-aways is getting out of control.
Never has the population of America been so weak minded and spineless, and so dependent on the gov nanny.
Discussing the merits of vaccination is one thing, but to insist that everyone agree with you or be declared stupid, UN-American, UN-patriotic, ignorant, etc. is proving that you do not have the ability to respect other folks' views.
Against my prudent reasoning, I got my shots months ago. Now, I will resume normal living and I will only wear a mask IF I develope a cold or other possible contagious illness. Until this started, I NEVER owned a mask other than one in my workshop for using paint stripper or sanding. I do not care if you want to get the vaccination or not. It's none of my business what you do and I respect your opinion, whether or not I agree with it. Quit trying to force others to reinforce your decision. I will always resist anything from the gov that attempts to FORCE us to do something against the will of a substantial portion of our population.
I applaud the past administration for Warp Speed and it's attempt to provide a solution, but I also applaud any leaders that are allowing their constituents to make their own decisions, such as has been done here in Florida.
Like one very famous person once said "beware of the words: I am from the gov and I am here to help you." paraphrased.

[NotGolfer]

Please....just stop already with these types of threads. It's gone on ad nauseum for over a year. Others here apparently agree!

[Girlcopper]

Seems like a desperate plea or attempt to prove to oneself that they made the right decision to get the vaccination. To be honest with you, the more I read about this stuff the more I am wondering whether or not we made the right decision to get the vaccination. AND, I am not sure that making children get the vaccination at this early stage, when the virus is not very dangerous to them in general, is not such a great idea either.
At this point, after reading all the comments on here and listening to all the desperate folks attempting to convince others that they made the right decision to get vaccinated, I have made a preemptive decision to NOT get the booster shot when offered.
I keep hearing such ideas as "mandatory mask wearing" "mandatory vax passports" "madatory vaccination IDs" etc. I have never heard so many folks demanding that the gov MANDATE their opinions and wants in my life. And the free give-aways is getting out of control.
Never has the population of America been so weak minded and spineless, and so dependent on the gov nanny.
Discussing the merits of vaccination is one thing, but to insist that everyone agree with you or be declared stupid, UN-American, UN-patriotic, ignorant, etc. is proving that you do not have the ability to respect other folks' views.
Against my prudent reasoning, I got my shots months ago. Now, I will resume normal living and I will only wear a mask IF I develope a cold or other possible contagious illness. Until this started, I NEVER owned a mask other than one in my workshop for using paint stripper or sanding. I do not care if you want to get the vaccination or not. It's none of my business what you do and I respect your opinion, whether or not I agree with it. Quit trying to force others to reinforce your decision. I will always resist anything from the gov that attempts to FORCE us to do something against the will of a substantial portion of our population.
I applaud the past administration for Warp Speed and it's attempt to provide a solution, but I also applaud any leaders that are allowing their constituents to make their own decisions, such as has been done here in Florida.
Like one very famous person once said "beware of the words: I am from the gov and I am here to help you." paraphrased.

This is exactly the type of post the OP was referring to. Good for you that youre not getting the booster shot. Your choice, your life.
Now can we end the soap box tales and move onto new topics. Rehashing the old is getting quite boring. Give it up already and move on!!

[PJackpot]

It seems like every thread on anything to do with Covid eventually dissolves into a vaccinated vs non-vaccinated discussion. Many times people quote mRNA misconceptions as the reason. But Anti-vaxxers don't care if it is mRNA or not - they just refuse to get vaccinated regardless of the health risks.

To keep this from evolving into more of the same, here are all the mRNA threads already on TOTV:


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/medical-health-discussion-94/what-know-about-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-315265/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/mrna-vaccines-do-offer-more-immunity-than-natural-infection-319156/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/scientist-who-laid-groundwork-mrna-vaccines-318481/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/mrna-vaccines-not-gene-therapy-317863/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/medical-health-discussion-94/research-summary-safety-efficacy-bnt162b2-mrna-covid-19-vaccine-315075/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/real-truth-about-messenger-rna-318451/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/pfizer-moderna-full-fda-approval-319408/

I don't think we need any more........

Getting vaccinated or not is a personal choice. Why can’t you just leave it at that and move on with your life? If you’ve been vaccinated there is nothing for you to worry about.

[Carlsondm]

The pandemic is still a threat worldwide, albeit lessening. No one forced you to get the COVID vaccine, so stop whining. Darwinian selection will prevail. I for one will be happy to hug grandchildren and get this mess behind us.

[stanley]

Darwinian selection will prevail. I for one will be happy to hug grandchildren and get this mess behind us.

The "Darwin" crap is just as nauseating as all the vaccine threads

[Andyb]

I guess some people are not happy until they get others to make the same mistakes they made. My body, my choice.
Usually, these threads are closed before anyone has a chance to comment, except for the same few people. Not sure how that works, but looks like censorship to me.

[Carlsondm]

The consequences are likely the variants, but one could still contract COVID 19.
The COVID vaccine was not an overnight development. It was the result of years of study. Some of us would have preferred more study on humans, but it was the best available weapon against the virus. Thank God we have an administration that is allowing true scientists to come out of the foxholes and help.

[J1ceasar]

The government mandates lots of things. You have to have a driver's license to drive, you have to pay your taxes, you need a couple of coins to ride the bus etc. The government also mandates that gas mower stops when you release the handle, that's a safety issue. The government mandated no more incandescent bulbs, so yes there were mandates and some of them are very good ones. By the way it's illegal to curse out loud in a government national Park.

[Pat2015]

You stated, “Anti-Vaxers just refuse to get vaccinated regardless of the health risks.” Have you considered that they feel as though getting the vaccine is a health risk? Personal choice for everyone to decide what’s best for themselves. Not for you or anyone to decide what’s best for them.

[Pat2015]

Great post!

[Byte1]

The government mandates lots of things. You have to have a driver's license to drive, you have to pay your taxes, you need a couple of coins to ride the bus etc. The government also mandates that gas mower stops when you release the handle, that's a safety issue. The government mandated no more incandescent bulbs, so yes there were mandates and some of them are very good ones. By the way it's illegal to curse out loud in a government national Park.

None of that is necessarily a positive look at the government.

[jimjamuser]

Why did you start another thread on the same old topic? Covid is old news thanks to warpspeed
Warpspeed was the ONE good element of the MANY bad elements of the EARLY national CLUMSY attempts to protect US citizens from CV. 1st there was "happy talk" that implied that CV did NOT even EXIST. Then there was the "same as the flu" type of downplaying. Then there was the incorrect modeling of how to deal with CV. Reporters and garden guests were seated shoulder-to-shoulder and were FORBIDDEN from wearing masks. This general "downplaying" drifted down to the average US citizen. It could be seen EVEN in the posts of TV Landers on this forum. The "mask aversion" in TV Land continues to this day. But, here is the BIG-TIME "REST of the Story". This early failure of the US to protect its citizens (as ANY country is SUPPOSED to do) - resulted in about 200,000 UNNECESSARY deaths for us Americans. It was TRAGIC!

These UNNECESSARY DEATHS were at around Dec. 2020 - 200,000 out of about 350,000 deaths were preventable had the government strongly supported masks and social distancing before Jan 2021 when the vaccines started to be available to select, elite people. This is provable because at that same time governments that reacted well to the CV problem like S. Korea, Australia, Finland, Norway, and Japan had almost zero deaths. The US and Sweden were the countries that screwed up and had many UNNECESSARY deaths. Warpspeed was the ONLY bright spot in an otherwise DISMAL record that the US had early in the CV Pandemic when US citizens were let down by their OWN government to the tune of 200,000 Americans DEAD!!!!!!!

[Bill14564]

You stated, “Anti-Vaxers just refuse to get vaccinated regardless of the health risks.” Have you considered that they feel as though getting the vaccine is a health risk? Personal choice for everyone to decide what’s best for themselves. Not for you or anyone to decide what’s best for them.

I can feel that the earth is flat but that doesn't make it true.

I can feel that humans were put on this earth by an advanced alien civilization but that doesn't make it true,

I can feel the moon is made out of cheese but that doesn't make it true.

Others can feel that the vaccine is a health risk but that doesn't make it true. (NOTE: for some few individuals, any vaccine is a health risk and this one is no different)

Most people currently have a choice to be vaccinated and that's the way things ought to be but there are consequences to those choices (maybe for the vaccinated, definitely for the unvaccinated).

[heenables]

If anyone ever wanted to test and see how well the sheep follow instructions it is now clear to see. Amazing to see all the regurgitated comments. There are people on here that were 100% ready to wear masks for the next 2 years and some were ready to double and triple mask... That's the science. Now you follow the science that changed overnight and go gallivanting without one. It's actually pretty comical to watch. Mind your own business and I will mind mine. Pretty sure some are incapable of that but it's what people actually want at this time. Oh and also you will never know if the person next to you at the grocery store who isn't wearing a mask is vaccinated or not and I know that you will be thinking about it for at least the next year and it angers you. It shouldn't because it's none of your business. Enjoy your day :-)

[Spalumbos62]

Great post!


I happen to think it is a good post.
I particularly like the person who said, my body, my decision.. and went on and on about the gov overstepping....if he doesn't want to be vaccinated..its his business....blah,blah blah
Yet he mentioned he got his vaccine.....too funny
He's mad at the government...but first in line with his arm stuck out.

Everyone that says...its my business if I get the shot or not...is it? No, I don't think so. Not if you want to join in on life with the rest of us....taking cruises, flying, movies, dinners in restaurants. If you choose to cease doing these things...then yes...your business,your lonely life.
But please people stop talking out of two sides of your mouth...you are not children stop acting as such.
Biden's "consequences" comment was not a threat...he was just stating the obvious of what I just posted.

And yes, this info popping up once a week or so is a great thing...so we all can stay informed.

[petiteone]

Any and all information is appreciated. As a retired MD, I'm always alarmed by those who don't want to see important sources being listed and relisted. Knowledge is power. If you don't want to be educated, don't read the posts.

[jimjamuser]

Why don’t you just stop already. By this time everyone has made their choice so just let it go already.

FYI if you choose to believe in the left media mob good for you, if you choose to believe in big Pharm good for you. I choose not yo believe in either......I go by history with both

“Let it go, Let it go”
Other countries did NOT make mask-wearing, social distancing, and vaccination into a BIG DEAL. To them, it was simply an ordinary, although important public health problem. Other countries did NOT let it become EMOTIONAL - they did NOT let it DIVIDE them!

I wonder why that was? WHY were WE divided? Hmmmmmmm - maybe some foreign actor that hates the US and has access to cyber hackers and bots would want to spread propaganda throughout America to weaken and divide us? Then that propaganda would be spread and magnified by our own TV channels until we end up with 60% of the US thinking one way about everything and 40% thinking the propaganda way. Hmmmmmmm - just thinking out loud!

[Hifred]

Making your own choice is good if your decision does hurt another person. What you say about choice and the government is not reasonable if someone is spreading a virus that can kill me. I wouldn't pat the past administration on the back. If everyone was masking up last February then it never would have gotten as bad as it did. You are mandated to wear a seat belt to save lives. Do you? Then why fight wearing a mask during a pandemic? You said you would wear one if you were sick. With Covid last year people were spreading it and some didn't even know they had it because there was asymptomatic spread. Talk of the Villages let's people provide political beliefs when they are conservative ones. Such as those thanking the past administration for warp speed but doesn't allow those to discuss why we weren't prompted to follow health and safety measures or why there was insufficient testing to identify and stop the spread of the virus back in February 2020. Or why there were critical shortages of medical masks and hospital supplies. If Talk of the Villages removes this post then remove the ones thanking operation Warp Speed. The drug companies were working on finding a vaccine back in November 2019. I know because I have children who are senior researchers for a major drug company. It had nothing to do with the last administration that actually made it more difficult for these companies by commandeering much needed supplies for research. Plane loads of supplies bought by drug companies for research were taken by the federal government in March 2020 slowing vaccine development not helping it.


Seems like a desperate plea or attempt to prove to oneself that they made the right decision to get the vaccination. To be honest with you, the more I read about this stuff the more I am wondering whether or not we made the right decision to get the vaccination. AND, I am not sure that making children get the vaccination at this early stage, when the virus is not very dangerous to them in general, is not such a great idea either.
At this point, after reading all the comments on here and listening to all the desperate folks attempting to convince others that they made the right decision to get vaccinated, I have made a preemptive decision to NOT get the booster shot when offered.
I keep hearing such ideas as "mandatory mask wearing" "mandatory vax passports" "madatory vaccination IDs" etc. I have never heard so many folks demanding that the gov MANDATE their opinions and wants in my life. And the free give-aways is getting out of control.
Never has the population of America been so weak minded and spineless, and so dependent on the gov nanny.
Discussing the merits of vaccination is one thing, but to insist that everyone agree with you or be declared stupid, UN-American, UN-patriotic, ignorant, etc. is proving that you do not have the ability to respect other folks' views.
Against my prudent reasoning, I got my shots months ago. Now, I will resume normal living and I will only wear a mask IF I develope a cold or other possible contagious illness. Until this started, I NEVER owned a mask other than one in my workshop for using paint stripper or sanding. I do not care if you want to get the vaccination or not. It's none of my business what you do and I respect your opinion, whether or not I agree with it. Quit trying to force others to reinforce your decision. I will always resist anything from the gov that attempts to FORCE us to do something against the will of a substantial portion of our population.
I applaud the past administration for Warp Speed and it's attempt to provide a solution, but I also applaud any leaders that are allowing their constituents to make their own decisions, such as has been done here in Florida.
Like one very famous person once said "beware of the words: I am from the gov and I am here to help you." paraphrased.

[PugMom]

I guess some people are not happy until they get others to make the same mistakes they made. My body, my choice.
Usually, these threads are closed before anyone has a chance to comment, except for the same few people. Not sure how that works, but looks like censorship to me.

they get closed because people can't follow forum rules. before you know it certain themes are thrown around & then the insults start. what was a forum for community discussion becomes just another mass-media thread found almost anywhere in publications today. personally, i couldn't attack another forum member in such ways

[jimjamuser]

Seems like a desperate plea or attempt to prove to oneself that they made the right decision to get the vaccination. To be honest with you, the more I read about this stuff the more I am wondering whether or not we made the right decision to get the vaccination. AND, I am not sure that making children get the vaccination at this early stage, when the virus is not very dangerous to them in general, is not such a great idea either.
At this point, after reading all the comments on here and listening to all the desperate folks attempting to convince others that they made the right decision to get vaccinated, I have made a preemptive decision to NOT get the booster shot when offered.
I keep hearing such ideas as "mandatory mask wearing" "mandatory vax passports" "madatory vaccination IDs" etc. I have never heard so many folks demanding that the gov MANDATE their opinions and wants in my life. And the free give-aways is getting out of control.
Never has the population of America been so weak minded and spineless, and so dependent on the gov nanny.
Discussing the merits of vaccination is one thing, but to insist that everyone agree with you or be declared stupid, UN-American, UN-patriotic, ignorant, etc. is proving that you do not have the ability to respect other folks' views.
Against my prudent reasoning, I got my shots months ago. Now, I will resume normal living and I will only wear a mask IF I develope a cold or other possible contagious illness. Until this started, I NEVER owned a mask other than one in my workshop for using paint stripper or sanding. I do not care if you want to get the vaccination or not. It's none of my business what you do and I respect your opinion, whether or not I agree with it. Quit trying to force others to reinforce your decision. I will always resist anything from the gov that attempts to FORCE us to do something against the will of a substantial portion of our population.
I applaud the past administration for Warp Speed and it's attempt to provide a solution, but I also applaud any leaders that are allowing their constituents to make their own decisions, such as has been done here in Florida.
Like one very famous person once said "beware of the words: I am from the gov and I am here to help you." paraphrased.
Someone is showing lots of love for Ronald Reagan - who was very good at delivering a speech because he was an ACTOR primarily - he could read a script really well.

Now as far as MANDATES go.......I guess you NEVER click on your seat belt because that is one of those DASTARDLY government mandates. I guess you don't want your life saved and your family and friend's lives. And I guess that when Russia sends a missile at central Florida that you will singlehandedly shoot it down with your Red Rider BB gun or some other weapon. That's right! Who needs ANY government? We should ALL of us just NOT pay any income tax. That will show those nasty government lazy jerks!

[Pat2015]

I can feel that the earth is flat but that doesn't make it true.

I can feel that humans were put on this earth by an advanced alien civilization but that doesn't make it true,

I can feel the moon is made out of cheese but that doesn't make it true.

Others can feel that the vaccine is a health risk but that doesn't make it true. (NOTE: for some few individuals, any vaccine is a health risk and this one is no different)

Most people currently have a choice to be vaccinated and that's the way things ought to be but there are consequences to those choices (maybe for the vaccinated, definitely for the unvaccinated).

As I said, their choice and it’s not for you or anyone else to put people down that don’t agree with you. Everyone getting vaccinated is participating in the ongoing clinical study and it’s a personal choice to not participate!

[jimjamuser]

This is exactly the type of post the OP was referring to. Good for you that youre not getting the booster shot. Your choice, your life.
Now can we end the soap box tales and move onto new topics. Rehashing the old is getting quite boring. Give it up already and move on!!
If everyone is so bored, then why are they reading the posts. Just some kind of "vicarious thrill"?

[jimjamuser]

Getting vaccinated or not is a personal choice. Why can’t you just leave it at that and move on with your life? If you’ve been vaccinated there is nothing for you to worry about.
That is wrong. How many times have I and scientists said that the virus will go to the unvaccinated people and besides KILLING some of them - it will use them to multiply and get stronger through variants until it could defeat our current vaccines or worse become so deadly that it kills off 20% of the human race. This is a definite POSSIBILITY. Why play Russian roulette with this deadly Pandemic???? Man up, mask up, and get the damn shot! The variants in India, S. Africa, and Brazil are killing children. Please Google this and forget the liberal vs conservative BS. We are ALL humans. It IS a HUMAN problem - not a left vs right problem. GET REAL!

[drducat]

Some horses can be taken to water, but they will NOT drink.

Right....and I won't drink salt water just because I am thirsty!

[drducat]

That is wrong. How many times have I and scientists said that the virus will go to the unvaccinated people and besides KILLING some of them - it will use them to multiply and get stronger through variants until it could defeat our current vaccines or worse become so deadly that it kills off 20% of the human race. This is a definite POSSIBILITY. Why play Russian roulette with this deadly Pandemic???? Man up, mask up, and get the damn shot! The variants in India, S. Africa, and Brazil are killing children. Please Google this and forget the liberal vs conservative BS. We are ALL humans. It IS a HUMAN problem - not a left vs right problem. GET REAL!

There are theories that variants are coming from those that are vaccinated....

[jimjamuser]

There are theories that variants are coming from those that are vaccinated....
That's a beauty. I NEVER heard THAT before. But, I bet that it started with V. Putin and spread to the dark, propaganda-type TV channels here in the US. Note: they were NOT here in 1950 through 1980 when the US was a more patriotic, less divided country - and we hated the Russian dictators! Now we orbit toward them. Beware fascism it creeps up on you and is delivered by creeps!

[oneclickplus]

It seems like every thread on anything to do with Covid eventually dissolves into a vaccinated vs non-vaccinated discussion. Many times people quote mRNA misconceptions as the reason. But Anti-vaxxers don't care if it is mRNA or not - they just refuse to get vaccinated regardless of the health risks.

To keep this from evolving into more of the same, here are all the mRNA threads already on TOTV:


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/medical-health-discussion-94/what-know-about-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-315265/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/mrna-vaccines-do-offer-more-immunity-than-natural-infection-319156/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/scientist-who-laid-groundwork-mrna-vaccines-318481/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/mrna-vaccines-not-gene-therapy-317863/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/medical-health-discussion-94/research-summary-safety-efficacy-bnt162b2-mrna-covid-19-vaccine-315075/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/real-truth-about-messenger-rna-318451/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/pfizer-moderna-full-fda-approval-319408/

I don't think we need any more........

This posting has no meaning whatsoever and offers nothing positive. There is no merit to discussing (arguing) whether mRNA shots (not a vaccine) will cause problems in the future or not. You don't "win" by posting the most links that assert "safety" and "approval" of same. You also don't "win" by declaring that your "experts" are better / smarter / more trustworthy than other "experts". Some experts are louder than others and some are being suppressed by the media / social censors. "Approved" talking heads does not mean that they are correct. All that matters is what actually happens in the next 6-18 months or even later.

I'm not vaccinated and I'm staying that way. Ditto with my entire family. I know with 100% certainty how the mRNA shot (not a vaccine) will affect us ... It won't have any effect at all. My wife is on the front lines taking care of the elderly / sick every day. Like me, she keeps her vitamin C, D and zinc levels up. She has definitely been exposed to Covid-19 multiple times. This includes a 6-hour ride in an enclosed vehicle with an infected person right next to her in the car. Her employer mandates testing multiple times per week. She has yet to show a positive result. Her immune system is doing its job just fine. Same with me. I sleep with her every night and I remain negative. We do not wear masks and don't give a sh!t about distancing. (6 feet was a made up number anyway). Since she tests negative, she is NOT an "asymptomatic spreader" as some have suggested. Can't spread what you don't have. An asymptomatic spreader is someone WITH the virus but without symptoms. Her testing is showing that either she is not catching the virus or her God-given immune system is doing so well that it can't grab hold.

All that matters is what actually happens in the future. Only the future will reveal that; not some post by you or anyone else.

So, rather than continually bringing up posts suggesting who is correct and who is not, just sit and wait. Let's just see what the world looks like a little further down the road; when the human testing is finished.

Perhaps it will be us "unvaccinated" that will get a passport to take cruises and go to sports stadiums, etc. A lot of retailers just opened up nationwide with no mask required for the "fully vaccinated". How are those passports working out? There is no checking and there isn't going to be. The fact is that anywhere that a "fully vaccinated" person can go mask less, so can anyone else. I personally applaud that. It's about damn time.

[Two Bills]

There are theories that variants are coming from those that are vaccinated....


All your theories are are straight out of the conspiracy playbook.
India hadn't started vaccinating when their variant was discovered.
You belong with the looney tunes who claim the virus came from phone masts and the 5G broadband rollout.

[stanley]

It IS a HUMAN problem - not a left vs right problem. GET REAL!

Why don't you "get real" and give it up. There are those that will not get vaccinated now matter how much you preach.

[GeriS]

Remember last summer when the CDC quietly admitted that only 6% of Covid deaths were specifically from Covid and that the other 94% had an average of two comorbidities, which were the true cause of death?

They've now changed it again to 5% and an average of FOUR comorbidities for the remaining 95%.

So lets break this down...

The "total claim" for Covid 19 deaths in the US is currently at 568,000.

5% of 568,000 is 28,400 people who have died from Covid-19 in the United States in 15 months.

That breaks down to 63 people per day, or just over one person per state.

For reference, almost 3,300 people die PER DAY in AUTO ACCIDENTS.

Meaning that over the past 15 months an American citizen has been 52 times more likely to die in an auto accident than of Covid-19. Yet many people don't even wear a seatbelt or think twice about their safety when driving.

What's the difference?

MANUFACTURED FEAR BY THE MSM.

That would be the same MSM who is complicit in the 28,400 deaths that Covid actually caused after they lied to the American people and demonized hydroxychloroquine, which has close to a 99% success rate in treating Covid when administered correctly and on time.

This is also the same MSM who covered for Cuomo, Whitmer, Newsome and other governors who are responsible for the murder of THOUSANDS of sick nursing home patients that were illegally grouped together in order to inflate the death count.

They will stop at nothing to keep this lie going, as they've shown time and time again since the beginning.

"Pandemic" and "empty hospitals" don't add up. Its that simple.

Covid-19 was the greatest hoax ever perpetuated on mankind.

[Bill14564]

Remember last summer when the CDC quietly admitted that only 6% of Covid deaths were specifically from Covid and that the other 94% had an average of two comorbidities, which were the true cause of death?

They've now changed it again to 5% and an average of FOUR comorbidities for the remaining 95%.

So lets break this down...

The "total claim" for Covid 19 deaths in the US is currently at 568,000.

5% of 568,000 is 28,400 people who have died from Covid-19 in the United States in 15 months.

That breaks down to 63 people per day, or just over one person per state.

For reference, almost 3,300 people die PER DAY in AUTO ACCIDENTS.

Meaning that over the past 15 months an American citizen has been 52 times more likely to die in an auto accident than of Covid-19. Yet many people don't even wear a seatbelt or think twice about their safety when driving.

What's the difference?



<more rant and conspiracy deleted>



<yawn>

I think you will find, if you look, that the number of auto accident deaths in the *US* is about 38,000 per year. here (https://www.nsc.org/road-safety/safety-topics/fatality-estimates) and here (https://www.asirt.org/safe-travel/road-safety-facts/)

There were more than 500,000 additional deaths in 2020 than in 2017, 2018, or 2019. You can throw around the terms "of Covid" and "with Covid" all you want but the fact remains that due to Covid 500,000 people in the US died who otherwise would not have.

To me, it's *that* simple.

[GPGuar]

I happen to think it is a good post.
I particularly like the person who said, my body, my decision.. and went on and on about the gov overstepping....if he doesn't want to be vaccinated..its his business....blah,blah blah
Yet he mentioned he got his vaccine.....too funny
He's mad at the government...but first in line with his arm stuck out.

Everyone that says...its my business if I get the shot or not...is it? No, I don't think so. Not if you want to join in on life with the rest of us....taking cruises, flying, movies, dinners in restaurants. If you choose to cease doing these things...then yes...your business,your lonely life.
But please people stop talking out of two sides of your mouth...you are not children stop acting as such.
Biden's "consequences" comment was not a threat...he was just stating the obvious of what I just posted.

And yes, this info popping up once a week or so is a great thing...so we all can stay informed.
You still don’t get it... (probably never will), if you are vaccinated against covid then you need not worry about the person next to you. There’s a very slim chance of ever catching it with the vaccine so why should you care if someone chooses not to? Stop worrying about other people and start living again. Stop following all the sheep! Just breathe!

[jimjamuser]

This posting has no meaning whatsoever and offers nothing positive. There is no merit to discussing (arguing) whether mRNA shots (not a vaccine) will cause problems in the future or not. You don't "win" by posting the most links that assert "safety" and "approval" of same. You also don't "win" by declaring that your "experts" are better / smarter / more trustworthy than other "experts". Some experts are louder than others and some are being suppressed by the media / social censors. "Approved" talking heads does not mean that they are correct. All that matters is what actually happens in the next 6-18 months or even later.

I'm not vaccinated and I'm staying that way. Ditto with my entire family. I know with 100% certainty how the mRNA shot (not a vaccine) will affect us ... It won't have any effect at all. My wife is on the front lines taking care of the elderly / sick every day. Like me, she keeps her vitamin C, D and zinc levels up. She has definitely been exposed to Covid-19 multiple times. This includes a 6-hour ride in an enclosed vehicle with an infected person right next to her in the car. Her employer mandates testing multiple times per week. She has yet to show a positive result. Her immune system is doing its job just fine. Same with me. I sleep with her every night and I remain negative. We do not wear masks and don't give a sh!t about distancing. (6 feet was a made up number anyway). Since she tests negative, she is NOT an "asymptomatic spreader" as some have suggested. Can't spread what you don't have. An asymptomatic spreader is someone WITH the virus but without symptoms. Her testing is showing that either she is not catching the virus or her God-given immune system is doing so well that it can't grab hold.

All that matters is what actually happens in the future. Only the future will reveal that; not some post by you or anyone else.

So, rather than continually bringing up posts suggesting who is correct and who is not, just sit and wait. Let's just see what the world looks like a little further down the road; when the human testing is finished.

Perhaps it will be us "unvaccinated" that will get a passport to take cruises and go to sports stadiums, etc. A lot of retailers just opened up nationwide with no mask required for the "fully vaccinated". How are those passports working out? There is no checking and there isn't going to be. The fact is that anywhere that a "fully vaccinated" person can go mask less, so can anyone else. I personally applaud that. It's about damn time.
Whenever I hear CV and vitamin C, D, and zinc in the same sentence, I know that misinformation and/or conspiracy theories are coming next. Medical science about CV is going to be bent into a pretzel to push out someone's strongly held personal opinion.

[jimjamuser]

This posting has no meaning whatsoever and offers nothing positive. There is no merit to discussing (arguing) whether mRNA shots (not a vaccine) will cause problems in the future or not. You don't "win" by posting the most links that assert "safety" and "approval" of same. You also don't "win" by declaring that your "experts" are better / smarter / more trustworthy than other "experts". Some experts are louder than others and some are being suppressed by the media / social censors. "Approved" talking heads does not mean that they are correct. All that matters is what actually happens in the next 6-18 months or even later.

I'm not vaccinated and I'm staying that way. Ditto with my entire family. I know with 100% certainty how the mRNA shot (not a vaccine) will affect us ... It won't have any effect at all. My wife is on the front lines taking care of the elderly / sick every day. Like me, she keeps her vitamin C, D and zinc levels up. She has definitely been exposed to Covid-19 multiple times. This includes a 6-hour ride in an enclosed vehicle with an infected person right next to her in the car. Her employer mandates testing multiple times per week. She has yet to show a positive result. Her immune system is doing its job just fine. Same with me. I sleep with her every night and I remain negative. We do not wear masks and don't give a sh!t about distancing. (6 feet was a made up number anyway). Since she tests negative, she is NOT an "asymptomatic spreader" as some have suggested. Can't spread what you don't have. An asymptomatic spreader is someone WITH the virus but without symptoms. Her testing is showing that either she is not catching the virus or her God-given immune system is doing so well that it can't grab hold.

All that matters is what actually happens in the future. Only the future will reveal that; not some post by you or anyone else.

So, rather than continually bringing up posts suggesting who is correct and who is not, just sit and wait. Let's just see what the world looks like a little further down the road; when the human testing is finished.

Perhaps it will be us "unvaccinated" that will get a passport to take cruises and go to sports stadiums, etc. A lot of retailers just opened up nationwide with no mask required for the "fully vaccinated". How are those passports working out? There is no checking and there isn't going to be. The fact is that anywhere that a "fully vaccinated" person can go mask less, so can anyone else. I personally applaud that. It's about damn time.
It just sounds strange and illogical that you are going to stop a Global Pandemic that has KILLED about 600,000 US citizens with a couple of vitamin pills and a zinc pill. That is NOT logical. If it were TRUE then, worldwide all scientists would have already tested and run trials for this miracle cure - and they would be heralding that TRUTH from the mountaintops. Why would some obscure couple in TV Land be the ONLY people in this big, wide world to have this SPECIAL KNOWLEDGE? It JUST does NOT pass the LAUGHABLE test.

[jimjamuser]

This posting has no meaning whatsoever and offers nothing positive. There is no merit to discussing (arguing) whether mRNA shots (not a vaccine) will cause problems in the future or not. You don't "win" by posting the most links that assert "safety" and "approval" of same. You also don't "win" by declaring that your "experts" are better / smarter / more trustworthy than other "experts". Some experts are louder than others and some are being suppressed by the media / social censors. "Approved" talking heads does not mean that they are correct. All that matters is what actually happens in the next 6-18 months or even later.

I'm not vaccinated and I'm staying that way. Ditto with my entire family. I know with 100% certainty how the mRNA shot (not a vaccine) will affect us ... It won't have any effect at all. My wife is on the front lines taking care of the elderly / sick every day. Like me, she keeps her vitamin C, D and zinc levels up. She has definitely been exposed to Covid-19 multiple times. This includes a 6-hour ride in an enclosed vehicle with an infected person right next to her in the car. Her employer mandates testing multiple times per week. She has yet to show a positive result. Her immune system is doing its job just fine. Same with me. I sleep with her every night and I remain negative. We do not wear masks and don't give a sh!t about distancing. (6 feet was a made up number anyway). Since she tests negative, she is NOT an "asymptomatic spreader" as some have suggested. Can't spread what you don't have. An asymptomatic spreader is someone WITH the virus but without symptoms. Her testing is showing that either she is not catching the virus or her God-given immune system is doing so well that it can't grab hold.

All that matters is what actually happens in the future. Only the future will reveal that; not some post by you or anyone else.

So, rather than continually bringing up posts suggesting who is correct and who is not, just sit and wait. Let's just see what the world looks like a little further down the road; when the human testing is finished.

Perhaps it will be us "unvaccinated" that will get a passport to take cruises and go to sports stadiums, etc. A lot of retailers just opened up nationwide with no mask required for the "fully vaccinated". How are those passports working out? There is no checking and there isn't going to be. The fact is that anywhere that a "fully vaccinated" person can go mask less, so can anyone else. I personally applaud that. It's about damn time.
It is clear that we have one person that is NOT going to have their mind changed. Not going to even be put into a vaccine-hesitant group, but rather a special anti-anti-anti-anti-vaccine group. What IS possible IS that the wife in this example may be EXTREMELY LUCKY. Or there is a REMOTE possibility that she has some DNA trait or DNA strand that fights against CV. If so I hope that medical research will find out IF that is true. Meanwhile, here in Earth#1, I will put vitamins and zinc as a cure for CV in the same category as using ultra-violet light, using bleach, and also believing in alien abductions!

[jimjamuser]

This posting has no meaning whatsoever and offers nothing positive. There is no merit to discussing (arguing) whether mRNA shots (not a vaccine) will cause problems in the future or not. You don't "win" by posting the most links that assert "safety" and "approval" of same. You also don't "win" by declaring that your "experts" are better / smarter / more trustworthy than other "experts". Some experts are louder than others and some are being suppressed by the media / social censors. "Approved" talking heads does not mean that they are correct. All that matters is what actually happens in the next 6-18 months or even later.

I'm not vaccinated and I'm staying that way. Ditto with my entire family. I know with 100% certainty how the mRNA shot (not a vaccine) will affect us ... It won't have any effect at all. My wife is on the front lines taking care of the elderly / sick every day. Like me, she keeps her vitamin C, D and zinc levels up. She has definitely been exposed to Covid-19 multiple times. This includes a 6-hour ride in an enclosed vehicle with an infected person right next to her in the car. Her employer mandates testing multiple times per week. She has yet to show a positive result. Her immune system is doing its job just fine. Same with me. I sleep with her every night and I remain negative. We do not wear masks and don't give a sh!t about distancing. (6 feet was a made up number anyway). Since she tests negative, she is NOT an "asymptomatic spreader" as some have suggested. Can't spread what you don't have. An asymptomatic spreader is someone WITH the virus but without symptoms. Her testing is showing that either she is not catching the virus or her God-given immune system is doing so well that it can't grab hold.

All that matters is what actually happens in the future. Only the future will reveal that; not some post by you or anyone else.

So, rather than continually bringing up posts suggesting who is correct and who is not, just sit and wait. Let's just see what the world looks like a little further down the road; when the human testing is finished.

Perhaps it will be us "unvaccinated" that will get a passport to take cruises and go to sports stadiums, etc. A lot of retailers just opened up nationwide with no mask required for the "fully vaccinated". How are those passports working out? There is no checking and there isn't going to be. The fact is that anywhere that a "fully vaccinated" person can go mask less, so can anyone else. I personally applaud that. It's about damn time.
Cute pet mouse! The next to last paragraph reads, just SIT and WAIT. I might endorse that strategy IF ONLY I believed that the Covid Virus would promise (pinky swear) that it would never, never mutate and start NEW, more dangerous variants ever again. Sitting and waiting COULD be a death sentence for (who knows) many thousands or millions of HUMAN BEINGS worldwide! And on WHOSE advice? (some obscure lucky couple in TV Land)??????

[drducat]

All your theories are are straight out of the conspiracy playbook.
India hadn't started vaccinating when their variant was discovered.
You belong with the looney tunes who claim the virus came from phone masts and the 5G broadband rollout.

If you bother to go through NIH website...you will find all the conspiracy and Russia hoax theories all published as science.

[stanley]

It is clear that we have one person that is NOT going to have their mind changed. Not going to even be put into a vaccine-hesitant group, but rather a special anti-anti-anti-anti-vaccine group.

:wave:

Oh and just for your basic info.........I am not "anti vaccine"......I am anti this "vaccine". Thanks for thinking about me

[jimjamuser]

You still don’t get it... (probably never will), if you are vaccinated against covid then you need not worry about the person next to you. There’s a very slim chance of ever catching it with the vaccine so why should you care if someone chooses not to? Stop worrying about other people and start living again. Stop following all the sheep! Just breathe!
Unfortunately, we are ALL aboard this one big cruise boat called the US of A - and we will ALL sink or capsize and drown TOGETHER depending on how we deal with the CV Pandemic in the future. And the anti-vaxxers and the hesitant-vaxxers are blowing holes into the US of A boat's hull! And I see NO end to this Pandemic in sight!
Stay stubborn and proud - you anti-vaxxers - you have ALREADY killed thousands of Americans!

[stanley]

Unfortunately, we are ALL aboard this one big cruise boat called the US of A - and we will ALL sink or capsize and drown TOGETHER depending on how we deal with the CV Pandemic in the future. And the anti-vaxxers and the hesitant-vaxxers are blowing holes into the US of A boat's hull! And I see NO end to this Pandemic in sight!
Stay stubborn and proud - you anti-vaxxers - you have ALREADY killed thousands of Americans!

Such visuals.
Always with the negative waves.

Kelly's Heroes Oddball Negative Waves - YouTube (https://youtu.be/Wu2ug--bFPI)

[Joe V.]

Unfortunately, we are ALL aboard this one big cruise boat called the US of A - and we will ALL sink or capsize and drown TOGETHER depending on how we deal with the CV Pandemic in the future. And the anti-vaxxers and the hesitant-vaxxers are blowing holes into the US of A boat's hull! And I see NO end to this Pandemic in sight!
Stay stubborn and proud - you anti-vaxxers - you have ALREADY killed thousands of Americans!

You are way out of control! Seek help, stat

[bobdeb]

Why don’t you just stop already. By this time everyone has made their choice so just let it go already.

FYI if you choose to believe in the left media mob good for you, if you choose to believe in big Pharm good for you. I choose not yo believe in either......I go by history with both

“Let it go, Let it go”

Yes. Agreed. For the love of God let it go...

[bobdeb]

Why don't you "get real" and give it up. There are those that will not get vaccinated now matter how much you preach.

I agree. Please give it up for the love of God. Oh, but they are so much more logical, and enlightened and considerate and superior and practical and pontifical... and tiresome nags.

[graciegirl]

Unfortunately, we are ALL aboard this one big cruise boat called the US of A - and we will ALL sink or capsize and drown TOGETHER depending on how we deal with the CV Pandemic in the future. And the anti-vaxxers and the hesitant-vaxxers are blowing holes into the US of A boat's hull! And I see NO end to this Pandemic in sight!
Stay stubborn and proud - you anti-vaxxers - you have ALREADY killed thousands of Americans!

Will you please stop?

[graciegirl]

:wave:

Oh and just for your basic info.........I am not "anti vaccine"......I am anti this "vaccine". Thanks for thinking about me

Will you please stop?

[coffeebean]

This posting has no meaning whatsoever and offers nothing positive. There is no merit to discussing (arguing) whether mRNA shots (not a vaccine) will cause problems in the future or not. You don't "win" by posting the most links that assert "safety" and "approval" of same. You also don't "win" by declaring that your "experts" are better / smarter / more trustworthy than other "experts". Some experts are louder than others and some are being suppressed by the media / social censors. "Approved" talking heads does not mean that they are correct. All that matters is what actually happens in the next 6-18 months or even later.

I'm not vaccinated and I'm staying that way. Ditto with my entire family. I know with 100% certainty how the mRNA shot (not a vaccine) will affect us ... It won't have any effect at all. My wife is on the front lines taking care of the elderly / sick every day. Like me, she keeps her vitamin C, D and zinc levels up. She has definitely been exposed to Covid-19 multiple times. This includes a 6-hour ride in an enclosed vehicle with an infected person right next to her in the car. Her employer mandates testing multiple times per week. She has yet to show a positive result. Her immune system is doing its job just fine. Same with me. I sleep with her every night and I remain negative. We do not wear masks and don't give a sh!t about distancing. (6 feet was a made up number anyway). Since she tests negative, she is NOT an "asymptomatic spreader" as some have suggested. Can't spread what you don't have. An asymptomatic spreader is someone WITH the virus but without symptoms. Her testing is showing that either she is not catching the virus or her God-given immune system is doing so well that it can't grab hold.

All that matters is what actually happens in the future. Only the future will reveal that; not some post by you or anyone else.

So, rather than continually bringing up posts suggesting who is correct and who is not, just sit and wait. Let's just see what the world looks like a little further down the road; when the human testing is finished.

Perhaps it will be us "unvaccinated" that will get a passport to take cruises and go to sports stadiums, etc. A lot of retailers just opened up nationwide with no mask required for the "fully vaccinated". How are those passports working out? There is no checking and there isn't going to be. The fact is that anywhere that a "fully vaccinated" person can go mask less, so can anyone else. I personally applaud that. It's about damn time.

"The lady (or gentleman) doth protest too much, me thinks".

[stanley]

Will you please stop?

When someone obviously calls me out.....no.....
but thanks for caring

[Byte1]

You are way out of control! Seek help, stat

:thumbup:

[stanley]

"The lady (or gentleman) doth protest too much, me thinks".

I don't read anything about "protesting" at all in that post.
Please post any line to the contrary..thanks

[coffeebean]

I don't read anything about "protesting" at all in that post.
Please post any line to the contrary..thanks

I LOVE that line from Hamlet. Seems to me the entire post was one big protestation.

OK. How about this?.......... "Have some cheese with your whine".

[stanley]

I LOVE that line from Hamlet. Seems to me the entire post was one big protestation.

OK. How about this?.......... "Have some cheese with your whine".

When someone's got nothing


:ohdear::ohdear:
:blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

[drstevens]

This posting has no meaning whatsoever and offers nothing positive. There is no merit to discussing (arguing) whether mRNA shots (not a vaccine) will cause problems in the future or not. You don't "win" by posting the most links that assert "safety" and "approval" of same. You also don't "win" by declaring that your "experts" are better / smarter / more trustworthy than other "experts". Some experts are louder than others and some are being suppressed by the media / social censors. "Approved" talking heads does not mean that they are correct. All that matters is what actually happens in the next 6-18 months or even later.

I'm not vaccinated and I'm staying that way. Ditto with my entire family. I know with 100% certainty how the mRNA shot (not a vaccine) will affect us ... It won't have any effect at all. My wife is on the front lines taking care of the elderly / sick every day. Like me, she keeps her vitamin C, D and zinc levels up. She has definitely been exposed to Covid-19 multiple times. This includes a 6-hour ride in an enclosed vehicle with an infected person right next to her in the car. Her employer mandates testing multiple times per week. She has yet to show a positive result. Her immune system is doing its job just fine. Same with me. I sleep with her every night and I remain negative. We do not wear masks and don't give a sh!t about distancing. (6 feet was a made up number anyway). Since she tests negative, she is NOT an "asymptomatic spreader" as some have suggested. Can't spread what you don't have. An asymptomatic spreader is someone WITH the virus but without symptoms. Her testing is showing that either she is not catching the virus or her God-given immune system is doing so well that it can't grab hold.

All that matters is what actually happens in the future. Only the future will reveal that; not some post by you or anyone else.

So, rather than continually bringing up posts suggesting who is correct and who is not, just sit and wait. Let's just see what the world looks like a little further down the road; when the human testing is finished.

Perhaps it will be us "unvaccinated" that will get a passport to take cruises and go to sports stadiums, etc. A lot of retailers just opened up nationwide with no mask required for the "fully vaccinated". How are those passports working out? There is no checking and there isn't going to be. The fact is that anywhere that a "fully vaccinated" person can go mask less, so can anyone else. I personally applaud that. It's about damn time.

Go to Just a moment... (http://www.thecovidblog.com) before it is blocked

[bobdeb]

"Intellectual capacity is no guarantee against being dead wrong."

- Carl Sagan