New Toyota Camry

[Stu from NYC]

In the market for a new Camry and so far best out the door price is from Courtesy Toyota in Tampa.

82 miles as Crow might fly but wondering if anyone has anything good, bad or indifferent about them.

Thanks
Stu

[JohnN]

I've got a 2005 Camry that runs like a champ. Toyota makes a solid reliable car. I've also got a Honda Accord. When I go looking again, I'll look at those two first.

[VApeople]

best out the door price

Compute the out-the-door price you want to pay. Then go to Phillips Toyota and ask if they will accept that price. If you don't hear a 'YES', then leave.

That is what we did two years ago. They said 'YES' and we bought a RAV4.

[Stu from NYC]

Compute the out-the-door price you want to pay. Then go to Phillips Toyota and ask if they will accept that price. If you don't hear a 'YES', then leave.

That is what we did two years ago. They said 'YES' and we bought a RAV4.

They had the chance, took about 4 emails before we got their sort of out the door price.

[VApeople]

They had the chance, took about 4 emails before we got their sort of out the door price.

It was a waste of time to ask them for their out-the-door price.

As I suggested, compute YOUR out-the-door price and go offer it to them IN PERSON.

Please let us know what happens.

[JohnN]

AAA and AARP offer some auto buying services, so does Sams Club. They may be worth checking out.

[rustyp]

All these out the door pricing strategies end when you have a trade in. In addition your definition of out the door I guaranty will be different then the dealers. I did this last year and after watching umpteen videos I quickly concluded the dealers watch the same videos. Next time I would look into a third party like AAA or whatever.

[manaboutown]

In 2016 I used COSTCO on a BMW in a hot luxury car market in Southern California as Chinese nationals were buying up new condominiums in Irvine and new cars over the telephone. Does Consumers Reports still offer a buying guide/service?

As I understand it a chip shortage is affecting the manufacture of new cars and used car prices are way up. Strange times we live in...

[tophcfa]

I would look up both the Kelly Blue Book and Edmunds fair market value and make sure that if there are in factory to dealer of buyer incentives you also deduct that from the price. Then deduct another 3 or 4 hundred dollars and call them. Tell them if they can match the price that they got a deal. If they give you any BS, hang up. It is not worth taking the long drive to get put in a chair at the salespersons desk and wast hours negotiating while they go back and forth with their "sales manager". Tell them deal or no deal, give them an hour to get back to you, and if they don't call back within an hour meeting your price, move on. That is how we have bought our last several new cars and it works. Good luck.

[village dreamer]

take a look at a hybrid camry, it gets over 50mpg. i have one and love it.

[EdFNJ]

If any dealer says "YES" with no hassle you paid too much. They are trained to make it is as difficult and time consuming as humanly possible. A quick "YES" is always a bad sign. Look for the big smile on their face and you'll know.

[John41]

In the market for a new Camry and so far best out the door price is from Courtesy Toyota in Tampa.

82 miles as Crow might fly but wondering if anyone has anything good, bad or indifferent about them.

Thanks
Stu
Toyota dealers notoriously use underhanded pressure tactics to get you to buy. Keeping your license to get a “copy” and/or your keys while they check out your trade then “can’t find them” while they sweat you out. Make your own copy of your license and go with them to check out your trade keeping your keys in your hand.

[Stu from NYC]

take a look at a hybrid camry, it gets over 50mpg. i have one and love it.

Living here will not drive enough miles to pay for the hybrid.

[Stu from NYC]

Toyota dealers notoriously use underhanded pressure tactics to get you to buy. Keeping your license to get a “copy” and/or your keys while they check out your trade then “can’t find them” while they sweat you out. Make your own copy of your license and go with them to check out your trade keeping your keys in your hand.

My keys and my wallet with license goes where I go.

Pretty sure will buy from Courtesy but was hoping someone had experience with them.

[VApeople]

All these out the door pricing strategies end when you have a trade in.

That is not true.

If we have a trade, we make an OTD offer that includes our trade.

[VApeople]

If any dealer says "YES" with no hassle you paid too much.

I doubt that is true.

I think the managers at car dealers are pros. They know how much money they want for a car. If you offer that amount and then start to walk out, they will follow you outside and accept your offer.

On the other hand, sometimes they just let you leave and do not come after you.

I have had both happen to me more than once.

[retiredguy123]

It was a waste of time to ask them for their out-the-door price.

As I suggested, compute YOUR out-the-door price and go offer it to them IN PERSON.

Please let us know what happens.
I agree. Make your out the door price offer, including trade, in person. Hand it to them on a piece of paper, give them 15 minutes, and then leave. It really doesn't matter where you buy the car. You can have it serviced at any dealer.

[SharonW]

Gatorland Toyota

I did all online.. Told them what color/model I wanted and how much I would pay. Took about 2 weeks back and forth. Found the color/model I wanted and got the exact price I offered. Drove up on 12/31, signed the papers and picked up the car.

[mcwood4d]

If the trade in is becoming a complication, consider selling to Carvana. Online offer in 3 minutes which is good for 7 days. They come to you with paperwork and take the car. We did this when we bought our new Ascent since no one would give us a reasonable price for our trade.

[Petersweeney]

Just
Purchased a 2021 RAV4 for 1000 slow stiicker price - Lakeland Toyota gave me KBB value on trade in plus 3000 on top!!!!

[GOLFER54]

Buy a Chevy

[Billy1]

Do you have to drive back to Tampa for warranty repair?

[Pedrocarrasco01@yahoo.com]

In the market for a new Camry and so far best out the door price is from Courtesy Toyota in Tampa.

82 miles as Crow might fly but wondering if anyone has anything good, bad or indifferent about them.

Thanks
Stu
Try DeLuca Toyota in Ocala, show them the “out the door price” and see if they will match it, when you go speak to someone that can make a decision and not a “salesperson”, but go in person, not on the phone

[Stu from NYC]

Do you have to drive back to Tampa for warranty repair?

No can be done at any Toyota dealer.

Gather nobody has done business with Courtesy Toyota.

And there is no trade in for this purchase.

[Kahuna32162]

We just got a "new", low mileage used car delivered to our driveway by Carvana. They also gave us 3K over what area dealer offered for a trade in. You already know you want a Toyota, so why go to a dealership and pay the overhead for their operation just to get a new car?

[Bay Kid]

take a look at a hybrid camry, it gets over 50mpg. i have one and love it.

I have a '19 Camry w/4 cylinder turbo. Over 40 MPG and only 1 battery. Great car.

[MollyJo]

AAA and AARP offer some auto buying services, so does Sams Club. They may be worth checking out.

If you’re not stuck on brand new, Car Max resells the best of the best used autos. I had a 2012 BMW X3 35i 32,460 miles shipped f/Colorado ($600 my dime) to Louisville Ky & it was showroom quality $19,900(no negotiations). Sold me a 5 yr 75,000 mile warranty $2,000, zero deductible & covers everything but oil, tires, brakes, battery. Loving my BMW…

[Girlcopper]

I would look up both the Kelly Blue Book and Edmunds fair market value and make sure that if there are in factory to dealer of buyer incentives you also deduct that from the price. Then deduct another 3 or 4 hundred dollars and call them. Tell them if they can match the price that they got a deal. If they give you any BS, hang up. It is not worth taking the long drive to get put in a chair at the salespersons desk and wast hours negotiating while they go back and forth with their "sales manager". Tell them deal or no deal, give them an hour to get back to you, and if they don't call back within an hour meeting your price, move on. That is how we have bought our last several new cars and it works. Good luck.

Ihave never had an issue buying a new car. I recently bought a 2020 Lincoln Corsair and was trading in my 2018 Honda CRV. I looked up the blue book value, went in, did my test drive and sat down with the sales person. I stated exactly what accessories I wanted and didnt want and said there was no room for negotiations, thats what I wanted. He tried to offer me less for my Honda and I pulled out the print out from the Blue book. I made it clear I was willing to buy on the spot if my requests were met. I got exactly what I wanted for the Honda, didnt listen to any sales pitches and paid a reasonable price for the Lincoln. If you walk in without doing your homework, act meek and wishy washy, they will step all over you.

[chasandvalr]

In the market for a new Camry and so far best out the door price is from Courtesy Toyota in Tampa.

82 miles as Crow might fly but wondering if anyone has anything good, bad or indifferent about them.

Thanks
Stu
A lot of people do not know that CarMax sells new cars. The last 3 cars I have purchased have been from CarMax. They have also been the best place for my trade-in, too. If you purchased a car from them and then later trade for another, they do not charge you tax. They use the tax from the previous purchase. If you buy a car from them and you do not like it, you have a 30 day 1500 mile trial period or you can return it. No questions asked. I just did that on a 2019 Hybrid Camry. You will love dealing with them. NO COMMISSION SALESMEN - everyone on salary.

[Lil GTO]

Reading all these posts makes me chuckle.

As a person that spent a life time in the automotive business having bought and sold over 100 vehicles personally then in my semi retirement from 2013-2018 being a fleet sales manager for a company with 9 franchises it’s amazing what people just do not know about the retail vehicle sales business

So many factors play into what you pay for a new or used vehicle which by the way dealers make a much larger percentage of profit on used cars than they do on new.

Lower volume dealers are likely to need to meet their unit count for the month near the end of the month than higher volume dealers who mostly have that number covered by 3 weeks into the month.

So buying from a smaller dealer can sometimes save you plenty of money if they haven’t met their monthly quota.

If they miss it by just one vehicle they get nothing if they manage to get that last vehicle sold by the business closing of the month it will mean (depending on the average volume of the dealer)
$50,000-500,000 bonus for them.

This is where they make their true profit. So if you’re there the last day and they need to make 1 or several sales to hit the target they will and do regularly lose money on some deals because the loss is offset many times by the gain in making quota

Now if they’ve already made quota no issues they will do business as usual.

Vehicles are in short supply for all brands right now and used cars are at a premium as well.

That said there are still deals to be had. Look for a left over 2020 if it’s been at the dealer for 365 days he now owns the vehicle.

What does that mean? For the first 364 days he is paying a floor plan on the vehicle which depending on his interest rate is likely $8.00-15.00 a month for it to sit on the lot.

On day 365 he must write a check to his bank for the balance of what is owed to the factory for the car so in essence his money is now tied up in the car and dealers do not want to own inventory it’s a sure way to go under and they’ll lose money to get rid of it.

I used to search the inventory daily to see what was aged out because even though they were likely going to lose money on the sale they paid a dollar for everyday the vehicle was on the lot commission which was always 3-4 times the normal sales commission.

So a 500 day poacher paid $500.00 in commission where it would only paid $200-250 as a floor plan vehicle.

Make your deal over the phone and online do not waste time except to pick the vehicle up and take care of payment.

By the way paying cash isn’t something that they want. They make money financing your vehicle they prefer you to finance through them and the longer the term the better for them it is.

Many times there are rebates from the factory for financing through their finance division I.E. Ford Credit.

If you can get another $750.00-2,500.00 finance rebate take it and finance with them then shop for a better rate which the best rates are mostly available through credit unions and you don’t have to belong to the credit union to finance with them.

Refinance the vehicle or pay it off cash if you’re a cash buyer and now you have the rebate that you wouldn’t have been able to get if you paid cash or brought your own financing.

Most progressive dealers have a trade appraisal form you can complete on line.

Take the few minutes to complete it. Pick an advertised special vehicle that suits your needs.

Contact the internet sales department buy sending a request for quote on that vehicle.

You will get your trade range value almost instantly.

Take the stock number of the vehicle you inquired about down when they come back to you ask them to confirm that the vehicle is available when you have numbers that your satisfied with ask the sales person to pull the keys and keep them in his desk and get on your way to make the deal he can only hold those keys 24 hours in most instances.

This will cut out bait and switch.

When he contacts you to let you know the vehicle is available if it is and you want it tell him what your trade appraised at it will be a window of a few thousand dollars to cover the condition of your vehicle. Less if it not so good and more if it is.

Look the vehicle up on KBB and put in trade allowance not resell value you will get a window again.

If their trade allowance falls into that window or higher and you know that your car is in top condition tell them you need the high side of their quote on your trade and that the price advertised on the vehicle of interest is the complete selling price plus tax title and licensing fees.

If they agree then if you want the car give them a $100.00 deposit on a credit card to hold the deal as agreed to you will have all of this in writing via your online communication with them.

You have 3 business days to change your mind they will refund your deposit without argument trust me.

Tell them you want in and out in 90 minutes and if the games start the deal is off.

Head out to make your deal if you get there and if the games start just look the sales person in the rye and say what did I tell you about wasting my time get me a deposit return on my card and then leave.

9 times out of 10 you’ll get the deal as agreed to and be on your way in 90 minutes or less.

Of course look at and drive the car first.

The finance person will try to sell you everything you can imagine and unless you want some of those options just say no to all of them.

These items are more profitable than the vehicle sale so if you buy windshield protection for $350.00 you’ve already bought one windshield and the dealer made $125.00 from you on the policy etc.

Car buying can be painless and you can get the best deal without wasting time and being frustrated.

Also remember this people your dealer has tremendous overhead and profit on new cars is much lower this last 20 years than it was when we were young.

The factories make the bulk of the money and that’s how they offer their big rebates on slow movers or vehicles that are heavy in inventory when they want to offer them the dealer has nothing to do with factory rebates and cannot control the amount or when they begin and end and certainly not which vehicles they are offered on.

Happy buying.

Dan the car man


I doubt that is true.

I think the managers at car dealers are pros. They know how much money they want for a car. If you offer that amount and then start to walk out, they will follow you outside and accept your offer.

On the other hand, sometimes they just let you leave and do not come after you.

I have had both happen to me more than once.

[rustyp]

No can be done at any Toyota dealer.

Gather nobody has done business with Courtesy Toyota.

And there is no trade in for this purchase.


Now you are in position to ask for out the door pricing over the internet so as to compare one dealer Vs. another. If you have negotiated the out the door price with an unseen trade in you are going to have a tough time getting KBB or better when you bring them the trade in. Make sure to ask what they consider out the door pricing. I did this last year on a 2020 Camry. I can ball park for you what I found. About $3K under sticker without a trade. Now add tax, title, and documentation. After the dust settled I was able to push three dealers to within a couple hundred dollars of each other. I can't speak for what is happening now with the chip shortage. Remember when dealers were marking up over sticker for fuel efficient cars when gas was being rationed to even and odd days ? As I stated on an earlier post I would try a third party like AAA, Costco, Etc. Dealers know these third parties know the routine better than you - a person buying a car once every few years. I invested way to much effort and had great frustration playing "their" game.

[OhioBuckeye]

I would look up both the Kelly Blue Book and Edmunds fair market value and make sure that if there are in factory to dealer of buyer incentives you also deduct that from the price. Then deduct another 3 or 4 hundred dollars and call them. Tell them if they can match the price that they got a deal. If they give you any BS, hang up. It is not worth taking the long drive to get put in a chair at the salespersons desk and wast hours negotiating while they go back and forth with their "sales manager". Tell them deal or no deal, give them an hour to get back to you, and if they don't call back within an hour meeting your price, move on. That is how we have bought our last several new cars and it works. Good luck.

Good point, & very well put! Don’t waste your whole day bartering with a dealer. Remember there’s lots of dealers out there.

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[Stu from NYC]

Try DeLuca Toyota in Ocala, show them the “out the door price” and see if they will match it, when you go speak to someone that can make a decision and not a “salesperson”, but go in person, not on the phone

No reason to go there.

As a matter of fact sent an email to them yesterday afternoon, we had stopped by a few months ago and did a test drive.

Salesman called me told him price that would get him the business. Called back a bit later after talking to his manager and said due to current shortages cannot "give" cars away so would not give me the price.

Than suggested I go there and look at their inventory. Told him that was a waste of time if they did not want to give me the price.

[MandoMan]

AAA and AARP offer some auto buying services, so does Sams Club. They may be worth checking out.

So does Consumer Reports. For a tiny fee they will tell you what you should pay for the car you want and send your needs to many dealers to see if they have one they will sell at that price. I think it is like $20.

[Canabarrybarb]

Courtesy Toyota, yes I just bought a new Sienna from them last month after doing a lot of internet shopping. Got what I consider a good and competitive deal by negotiating on email and then just drove down to sign the papers and pick up the car. Nate Auvil went out to the lot and did a FaceTime walk around of the vehicle in advance and then we did a test drive once we arrived at the dealership.

[msilagy]

I was in the market for a new car between the Camry and Lexus ES 250 - both use regular unleaded but I thought the Lexus ES 250 outweighed the Camry in ride, performance, and leather interior. A bit more expensive but worth it

[retiredguy123]

I would not try to buy a car with phone calls and emails. Visit the dealership, test drive a car, let them inspect your trade, and give you their out-the-door price. Then, go home. Come back in a day or so with your out-the-door, take it or leave it price, your checkbook, and the title to your trade-in vehicle. If your offer is reasonable and presented properly, I think most dealers will accept it. No need to negotiate a price with the dealer.

[New Englander]

Living here will not drive enough miles to pay for the hybrid.

:agree:

[Mhollowaygleasom]

Recently purchased a new RAV4 at Phillips, with no trade. Visited many dealers and got the best deal from them.
The market is currently a bit crazy but we found the vehicle we wanted. Remember to check the dealer package which is added to the price.
This can increase the sticker price by several thousand and only costs dealer a few hundred. We deducted that amount plus a few hundred from sticker and sealed the deal. They will try to work you over but stand your ground and let them know you will walk if the price can’t be met.
It’s also best to purchase a car closer to the end of the month as they are more willing to deal. The dealerships must meet manufacturer numbers or lose important incentives and status. It’s very important for them to attain their numbers.
Best of luck, wherever you purchase from.

[bioman419]

Yes......DO NOT buy a Camry.......cheap and very noisy cabin

[Stu from NYC]

Yes......DO NOT buy a Camry.......cheap and very noisy cabin

Been driving Camrys for past 30 years and very happy with them.

My 2011 is a bit noisy and will do a test drive to see how they hopefully fixed that.

[Villages Kahuna]

Consider leasing a Camry. You’ll pay less than $200 a month in lease payments and get a new one every three years. Because the leases are typically financed by Toyota Finance, the lease cost should be very similar across all Toyota dealers. But I if the cheapest dealer has the car you want in inventory, that may be the place to start.

[NancyLee]

AAA and AARP offer some auto buying services, so does Sams Club. They may be worth checking out.
Also Consumer Reports Car Buying Service. This is where we always go first. BTW, Honda and Toyota are the best!

[New Englander]

Consider leasing a Camry. You’ll pay less than $200 a month in lease payments and get a new one every three years. Because the leases are typically financed by Toyota Finance, the lease cost should be very similar across all Toyota dealers. But I if the cheapest dealer has the car you want in inventory, that may be the place to start.

$200 a month for a Camry, but how much $$$ do you have to put down to get $200 a month?

[NancyLee]

I agree. Make your out the door price offer, including trade, in person. Hand it to them on a piece of paper, give them 15 minutes, and then leave. It really doesn't matter where you buy the car. You can have it serviced at any dealer.
As I said earlier, we use Consumer Reports Car Buying Service. Also, we never discuss trade in until we get a confirmation on the price. Mixing in the trade in will just confound things.

[Villages Kahuna]

$200 a month for a Camry, but how much $$$ do you have to put down to get $200 a month? Watch the ads on TV, they always say what the required downpayment is. Or call or visit the dealership and ask.

[NancyLee]

We just got a "new", low mileage used car delivered to our driveway by Carvana. They also gave us 3K over what area dealer offered for a trade in. You already know you want a Toyota, so why go to a dealership and pay the overhead for their operation just to get a new car?
What kind of warrantee did they give you?

[Tnbrewer]

A lot of people do not know that CarMax sells new cars. The last 3 cars I have purchased have been from CarMax. They have also been the best place for my trade-in, too. If you purchased a car from them and then later trade for another, they do not charge you tax. They use the tax from the previous purchase. If you buy a car from them and you do not like it, you have a 30 day 1500 mile trial period or you can return it. No questions asked. I just did that on a 2019 Hybrid Camry. You will love dealing with them. NO COMMISSION SALESMEN - everyone on salary.
Great car u got! I was a mechanic on cars trucks and B52’s
Fleet MGR 4 33yrs after above I know about vehicle cost
I owned a 2009 Camry Hybrid to drive all over FL and seGA.
130K miles I put on it. 1 12 volt battery after 8 years 1 set of tires 1 set of brake pads. I replaced spark plugs at 100k they still looked good.
I averaged 36 mpg in town 41 on freeway often stuck in traffic on I 95 or I 4.
Changed oil every 5k
in 2018 I moved to TV some one else in TV is still driving it.
It’s the cheapest operating cost of any vehicle I have owned, even the last 450 vehicles I managed the last 2 years I worked in FL or the 1000’s I have managed the cost and repairs of in my career. I had 42 mechanics working for me.
If you want a regular car and you r not polluting the planet it’s the best per my experience. It rides great to boot.
Used ones are a bargain and a better vehicle than the plain 4 or 6 traditional gas engine.
IMHO
I know a thing or 2 as I have done a 1002 or more on vehicles.
Also you can by any new vehicle for 2 to 5k less than MSRP
I did it last August Honda RTLE 43k msrp for 37k - 18k for 16 Subaru

[EdFNJ]

I doubt that is true.

I think the managers at car dealers are pros. They know how much money they want for a car. If you offer that amount and then start to walk out, they will follow you outside and accept your offer.

On the other hand, sometimes they just let you leave and do not come after you.

I have had both happen to me more than once. My former brother-in-law was a car salesman for many years. It's true. Sure, maybe there is an exception here or there for a car that has been on the lot for way to long and their interest charges are accruing but generally speaking it's true. When you offer a price and they say "sure" and give you a big (before covid) wet kiss then ask you if it was as good for you as it was for them you know it's true ... and it usually is. There is NO WAY you will ever know what a dealer has into a vehicle. You can read all the lists and articles and books ..... and check for all the promos and holdbacks and whatever else but you will never know.


Hey, just to clarify. "Paid too much" didn't mean you didn't get a decent deal. Some people just don't care what they pay as long as the dealer says "it's below cost" but a "good deal" never means you got the best deal. The #1 dealer favorite is "No haggle pricing."

[EdFNJ]

A lot of people do not know that CarMax sells new cars. The last 3 cars I have purchased have been from CarMax. They have also been the best place for my trade-in, too. If you purchased a car from them and then later trade for another, they do not charge you tax. They use the tax from the previous purchase. That's nothing special (sales tax). When you buy any car with a trade-in or in your case an exchange you NEVER pay sales tax on entire value. The trade in value is deducted from the next vehicle and you only pay sales tax on the difference IF IT COST MORE. It the replacement is the same as the original value, 0 tax, if it's less you get a refund if it's more you only pay the on the difference. Just like exchanging a pair of pants from Macy's, you're refunded the tax you paid and apply it to the next pair of pants. :)

That something you have to consider when you buy a new (or used) car and sell yours privately. You lose that sales tax advantage unless of course you get that much more for your private sale to cover the tax delta. If your private sale is for example $15,000 you are going to pay around $1050 more on tax alone for the new car depending of course on what the dealer would give you for yours. SOMETIMES a private sale isn't worth the hassle when you take sales tax (and aggravation) into consideration.

[rustyp]

Consider leasing a Camry. You’ll pay less than $200 a month in lease payments and get a new one every three years. Because the leases are typically financed by Toyota Finance, the lease cost should be very similar across all Toyota dealers. But I if the cheapest dealer has the car you want in inventory, that may be the place to start.

Correct - I've been to this movie. What a joke to advertise a lease payment per month and have the down payment in the fine print. Fact if you but down around $13000 - $14000 you can lease a Camry for $0 per month for 36 months. Dealer A is advertising $229 per month and dealer B advertising $129 per month for 36 month lease. These are real TV ads in our area right now. What's wrong with this picture ?

[NoMoSno]

There is NO WAY you will ever know what a dealer has into a vehicle. You can read all the lists and articles and books ..... and check for all the promos and holdbacks and whatever else but you will never know.

When I buy a Ford using the "A" plan it's $200 over dealer cost.
A couple weeks after the sale Ford sends the break down, showing their cost.

[bilcon]

They had the chance, took about 4 emails before we got their sort of out the door price.


Who buys a car with emails. I wouldn't even answer anyone who emailed me for a price if I was a dealer. Go in person. I just bought a used car for my granddaughter at Phillips Toyota and was very happy with the price and salesman, Ashley Lake. Up front, no hard sell.

[DavidCovid]

A piece of advice and in my humble opinion.
NOW is NOT the time to purchase a new / used vehicle. There is a significant
shortage of retail cars available to the retail customer.
Fix the car you have now and wait until new vehicle inventory increases which
may be a year from now. You wont get a great deal from any dealer now on
any vehicle. Sellers market.

[Stu from NYC]

Who buys a car with emails. I wouldn't even answer anyone who emailed me for a price if I was a dealer. Go in person. I just bought a used car for my granddaughter at Phillips Toyota and was very happy with the price and salesman, Ashley Lake. Up front, no hard sell.

Welcome to the computer age.

Everyone I asked to quote did quote me and think I did very well purchasing car today with a price just over 5500 under MSRP.

If Toyota dealers were close to each other would have visited dealers but decided it was not practical.

BTW took multiple emails before Phillips gave me an out the door price and they were several thousand higher than what I paid.

[JMintzer]

Who buys a car with emails.

I did, when I bought my Acura TL, waaaay back in 2004...

It was the easiest, least stressful car purchase I ever made...

[rustyp]

Welcome to the computer age.

Everyone I asked to quote did quote me and think I did very well purchasing car today with a price just over 5500 under MSRP.

If Toyota dealers were close to each other would have visited dealers but decided it was not practical.

BTW took multiple emails before Phillips gave me an out the door price and they were several thousand higher than what I paid.

I think you did very well if $5500 under msrp was w/o anything but tax and title. What dealer gave you that deal.

[Ecuadog]

Welcome to the computer age.

Everyone I asked to quote did quote me and think I did very well purchasing car today with a price just over 5500 under MSRP.

If Toyota dealers were close to each other would have visited dealers but decided it was not practical.

BTW took multiple emails before Phillips gave me an out the door price and they were several thousand higher than what I paid.

Congrats. Good for you, Stu. Was it Courtesy Toyota Of Brandon then?

[DavidCovid]

Welcome to the computer age.

Everyone I asked to quote did quote me and think I did very well purchasing car today with a price just over 5500 under MSRP.

If Toyota dealers were close to each other would have visited dealers but decided it was not practical.

BTW took multiple emails before Phillips gave me an out the door price and they were several thousand higher than what I paid.

If possible, can you block out any personal information and show us a copy of the dealer price list with all the cost associated with your Camry purchase as some of us can use this information in order to possibly obtain even yet a better deal on a new Camry. Please list ( if possible ) all the fee's and final cost. Thxs:bigbow:

[Stu from NYC]

I think you did very well if $5500 under msrp was w/o anything but tax and title. What dealer gave you that deal.

Added to that was safety package and dealer profit and tax and title and tags.

[Stu from NYC]

Congrats. Good for you, Stu. Was it Courtesy Toyota Of Brandon then?

Yes it was. Huge facility they say they are the largest Toyota dealer in the state.

Biggest by far of any dealership we have been too.

[rustyp]

Added to that was safety package and dealer profit and tax and title and tags.

Great but here is the $64K question. How much was the safety package and dealer profit ?

[rustyp]

Great but here is the $64K question. How much was the safety package and dealer profit ?

Come on Stu. You are leaving us with half a story. If you had to pay dealer profit and safety package then you didn't get $5500 under MSRP. Also what is a safety package? And did you really want it or was it the typical Florida car dealer trick we install that automatically on every car that comes in our lot. My instinct says my previous post of about $3000 under MSRP is looking more realistic after the progressive disclosures settle.

[retiredguy123]

Added to that was safety package and dealer profit and tax and title and tags.
The MSRP would already include the dealer profit.

[Stu from NYC]

The MSRP would already include the dealer profit.

The sales rep claimed (but I did not believe him) that overall the dealership was losing money on the selling price before the end of the month adjustments from Toyota.

[Stu from NYC]

Come on Stu. You are leaving us with half a story. If you had to pay dealer profit and safety package then you didn't get $5500 under MSRP. Also what is a safety package? And did you really want it or was it the typical Florida car dealer trick we install that automatically on every car that comes in our lot. My instinct says my previous post of about $3000 under MSRP is looking more realistic after the progressive disclosures settle.

The cost to me included $ 1429 for convenience package, which I had to get to the blind spot monitoring package and an LED Interior Light Upgrade, plus $ 427 for title and plates, plus sales tax and $ 104 for assorted taxes.

This was told to me by other dealers so was getting stuck with these charges no matter what.

Would have done better but the computer chip shortage is certainly reducing the supply of new cars.

[rustyp]

The cost to me included $ 1429 for convenience package, which I had to get to the blind spot monitoring package and an LED Interior Light Upgrade, plus $ 427 for title and plates, plus sales tax and $ 104 for assorted taxes.

This was told to me by other dealers so was getting stuck with these charges no matter what.

Would have done better but the computer chip shortage is certainly reducing the supply of new cars.

Have you thought of being a car salesman ? You are doing a great job avoiding the simple question - HOW MUCH UNDER THE MSRP STICKER ON THE LEFT REAR WINDOW FROM TOYOTA NOT COURTESY DID YOU PAY WITHOUT INCLUDING TAX, TAGS, AND TITLE ? It obviously was not $5500.

[Stu from NYC]

Have you thought of being a car salesman ? You are doing a great job avoiding the simple question - HOW MUCH UNDER THE MSRP STICKER ON THE LEFT REAR WINDOW FROM TOYOTA NOT COURTESY DID YOU PAY WITHOUT INCLUDING TAX, TAGS, AND TITLE ? It obviously was not $5500.

Trying to say this in the nicest way possible, but really do not think it is any of your business.

[rustyp]

Trying to say this in the nicest way possible, but really do not think it is any of your business.

You said it nice. No problem here. I have pretty thick skin but at my age a tad bit short on patience when I smell BS. Have a great day Stu from NYC Enjoy your new ride.

[DavidCovid]

Trying to say this in the nicest way possible, but really do not think it is any of your business.
Hi -
Some of us would benefit if you could provide us with the exact model year and options with a total out the door price. Then anyone of us in the market for a vehicle similar to yours will have at least a fighting chance in attempting to obtain the lowest price possible. Toyota Camry's are very generic vehicles and many Villagers may be in the market to purchase a similar vehicle and your honest response is valuable. Also by providing this information, a purchaser can provide this information to the dealer and most dealerships will pay """YOU""" a referral fee, usually $100.

[l2ridehd]

When I get an out the door price from a dealer I want it to include everything. How much is the check I need to write. I want all taxes, tags, dealer fees, and nothing else added. It’s the only way you can truly compare between dealers. When you approach it that way, a lot of those add on’s disappear. If I have asked for that price and I tell them that is all they will get and then I see them try to add another fee, I leave. They will all try to tell you they don’t know exactly because “their finance guy” has to determine that, I just ask them to get him and figure it out. They will get you that number when pushed to do so.

[rustyp]

Trying to say this in the nicest way possible, but really do not think it is any of your business.

Hi to all that were trying to gain a little bit of knowledge. It is apparent this thread was a one way street for the benefit of the OP not us observers. After all this can you imagine going to Courtesy Toyota and offering them $5500 under MSRP and tell them they just made that deal to OP. Good thing I got my Camry last year for $5501 under MSRP - Some fuzzy math involved. LOL.

[Stu from NYC]

Hi to all that were trying to gain a little bit of knowledge. It is apparent this thread was a one way street for the benefit of the OP not us observers. After all this can you imagine going to Courtesy Toyota and offering them $5500 under MSRP and tell them they just made that deal to OP. Good thing I got my Camry last year for $5501 under MSRP - Some fuzzy math involved. LOL.

Wow. Before criticizing me why dont you read my first post where I asked peoples opinion about Courtesy Toyota.

That was the reason to start this thread not to educate people on how to negotiate.

Only one post of many actually commented on that. You and others just wanted to know what I paid. If I started a thread on something different you might have gotten more info from me.

[VApeople]

In summary, it seems that most of us senior citizens have found a way to buy a car that suits us, and we enjoy the car-buying experience. At least we have since 1994.

Of course, we all agree that our way is the best, even if our way is different from your way.

Buying a new car is a wonderful experience if you have found a way that suits you.

[rustyp]

Wow. Before criticizing me why dont you read my first post where I asked peoples opinion about Courtesy Toyota.

That was the reason to start this thread not to educate people on how to negotiate.

Only one post of many actually commented on that. You and others just wanted to know what I paid. If I started a thread on something different you might have gotten more info from me.

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[JMintzer]

Wow. Before criticizing me why dont you read my first post where I asked peoples opinion about Courtesy Toyota.

That was the reason to start this thread not to educate people on how to negotiate.

Only one post of many actually commented on that. You and others just wanted to know what I paid. If I started a thread on something different you might have gotten more info from me.

Sorry, but you offered the info on your "deal"... Although the info was rather cryptic, but you offered it none the less.

Others simply asked you to clarify your statement. It was at that point that you decided to clam up...