Golf Cart Policy on TV Courses Starting June 1

[YouNeverKnow]

Posted on The Golf The Villages website:

Effective June 1, 2021, we will return to standard golf car procedures, as defined in the established operational guidelines.
This includes pairing up and limiting to 2 golf cars per group.
We continue to request your assistance with avoiding high traffic areas and keeping golf cars on paths as much as possible.

[tophcfa]

This could get interesting. There is no way anyone is getting in my cart unless I am certain that they have been vaccinated.

[Bay Kid]

Good reason to walk.

[Polar Bear]

I still wonder how they reconcile forcing somebody out of their cart when they have paid their trail fees to use it.

[Neils]

Contact TV manager Richard Bair (352) 751-3939 to share your feelings.

[dewilson58]

I still wonder how they reconcile forcing somebody out of their cart when they have paid their trail fees to use it.

The unknown is: Was the fee based on more than single occupancy.

[dewilson58]

Isn't there still the option to have more than two carts, just not in the fairway??

[stan the man]

Contact TV manager Richard Bair (352) 751-3939 to share your feelings.

Just called left message

[tuccillo]

The annual or semi-annual trail fee is certainly interesting. It covers the couple in a house and allows both of them to ride in any golf cart. It can be their own golf cart, a friend's golf cart, or a $3 rental cart at the course. If you don't pay the annual or semi-annual trail fee then each will pay $4 whenever they ride in any golf cart. How many people are riding in the cart is irrelevant.

The unknown is: Was the fee based on more than single occupancy.

[drcar]

Isn't there still the option to have more than two carts, just not in the fairway??

You are CORRECT!

[dewilson58]

How many people are riding in the cart is irrelevant.

Wrong.
How the fee was determined is relevant.
Have a good day.

[twoplanekid]

I want to let everyone know that Mr. Baier, our District Manager had major surgery in April to remove a tumor attached to several organs. He has also received chemo treatments. He is a very good man and thankfully is recovering to slowly return to work full time.

Everyone has issues that are important. I am sure he will address this issue as soon as he can.

[tuccillo]

I am not sure what you mean. The trail fee is per person, not per cart. Two people with paid trail fees in one cart isn't any different than two people with paid trail fees in two carts.

Wrong.
How the fee was determined is relevant.
Have a good day.

[dewilson58]

I am not sure what you mean.

That's okay.

[tuccillo]

Thanks for clarifying.

That's okay.

[gdennis317]

Likely only refers to Championship Courses.

[Midwestgirl]

It applies to Executive courses also.

[Jayhawk]

It applies to Executive courses also.

The starter at Roosevelt told my wife this morning it will be a maximum of 3 carts starting June 1. At least 2 golfers must pair up. Ridiculous for Executive courses where most never have a cart on the grass.

I realize this is different from the announcement but the guy was adamant.

[drcar]

The starter at Roosevelt told my wife this morning it will be a maximum of 3 carts starting June 1. At least 2 golfers must pair up. Ridiculous for Executive courses where most never have a cart on the grass.

Clarification will be coming out next week, the ambassador was incorrect.

[golfing eagles]

Clarification will be coming out next week, the ambassador was incorrect.

Hopefully they continue with the rule that the person who refuses to double up is the one that gets to stay on the cart path.

[drcar]

Hopefully they continue with the rule that the person who refuses to double up is the one that gets to stay on the cart path.

The rules will be the same as pre covid, ONLY 2 carts on fairway at a time

[rustyp]

I am not sure what you mean. The trail fee is per person, not per cart. Two people with paid trail fees in one cart isn't any different than two people with paid trail fees in two carts.

Trail fees are per household not per person.


https://www.golfthevillages.com/executive-golf/images/trailfeeapp.pdf

[tuccillo]

Read my previous post where I said the trail fee was for a couple in a house. You took this out of context and I was referring to the lack of difference between two people in one cart and two people in two carts.

Trail fees are per household not per person.


https://www.golfthevillages.com/executive-golf/images/trailfeeapp.pdf

[Marathon Man]

I am not sure what you mean. The trail fee is per person, not per cart. Two people with paid trail fees in one cart isn't any different than two people with paid trail fees in two carts.

OK. But, nothing in that says that the course can not restrict how many carts a group can take onto the course. Nor does is say that you have the right to have a cart to yourself. It is simply a way to pay to ride the course, rather than walk. Nothing more.

[tuccillo]

I never stated that. I was just clarifying the financial aspects.

OK. But, nothing in that says that the course can not restrict how many carts a group can take onto the course. Nor does is say that you have the right to have a cart to yourself. It is simply a way to pay to ride the course, rather than walk. Nothing more.

[alwann]

Read my previous post where I said the trail fee was for a couple in a house. You took this out of context and I was referring to the lack of difference between two people in one cart and two people in two carts.

Okay, but my Priority Membership includes the trail fee, yet my wife still has to pay $4 when we play the execs. Confusing to say the least.

[tuccillo]

I agree. And why don't single person homes have a reduced trail fee?

Okay, but my Priority Membership includes the trail fee, yet my wife still has to pay $4 when we play the execs. Confusing to say the least.

[LErmer]

My days of playing Men's Day is finished for now. NO WAY am I going to ride within inches of a person (for 4 hours) that I do not know whether they have been vaccinated or not. I did not spend the last year being extremely careful to give up now. It is too soon to implement this action. Just another summer (snowbirds gone) to dump on the Villagers that live here year round.

[Mortal1]

This could get interesting. There is no way anyone is getting in my cart unless I am certain that they have been vaccinated.

because if you had it means you can't get covid from someone else...or did you just get vaccinated because you like the needle?

Being ignorant is a choice a person makes even though they have the proper information available. Being stupid is not knowing the information they require is available.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The unknown is: Was the fee based on more than single occupancy.

The fee is based on the cart itself, not how many people are sitting in it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

My days of playing Men's Day is finished for now. NO WAY am I going to ride within inches of a person (for 4 hours) that I do not know whether they have been vaccinated or not. I did not spend the last year being extremely careful to give up now. It is too soon to implement this action. Just another summer (snowbirds gone) to dump on the Villagers that live here year round.

You know you're ALLOWED to mandate that passengers wear masks while on YOUR golf cart right?

[tophcfa]

The fee is based on the cart itself, not how many people are sitting in it.

Actually, that is not correct. If one is a priority member, the trail fee only applies to that person, unless they have a couples priority membership in which case they are both covered. If a resident is not priority, but pays the trail fee, the trail fee applies to the household. We paid the trail fee for 6 months during the winter and both my wife and I were able to play the executives without the $4 per round trail fee. However, if I had a guest come visit and we played an executive, the guest riding in my cart would still have to pay the $4 trail fee, along with another $11 for not being a resident (I believe that fee drops to $7 during the slower season).

[tophcfa]

This could get interesting. There is no way anyone is getting in my cart unless I am certain that they have been vaccinated.

because if you had it means you can't get covid from someone else...or did you just get vaccinated because you like the needle?

Being ignorant is a choice a person makes even though they have the proper information available. Being stupid is not knowing the information they require is available.

A friendly word of advise, if you feel the need to attack someone, at least do it intelligently or it just makes you look stupid and makes your attack look like its self-inflicted. I would suggest reading your posts very carefully before hitting the submit button, and looking at yourself in the mirror, albeit a very short mirror so your head is not cut off, and be sure your post actually contains something resembling even a shred of logic.

Also, thanks for making it so easy for me to respond to your attack.

[stanley]

The fee is based on the cart itself, not how many people are sitting in it.

Not true

From Golf The Villages

"Trail fees apply to the individual not the golf car. If you wish to bring a "guest" please be aware of all the policies regarding guest play."

This stuff is really not too hard to find

[I'm Popeye!]

Seems like many people here have no friends to go out golfing with.
Those stragglers that come by themselves then wanting to sit there *** on someone else's cart, Go find a friend and team up! :rant-rave:

[JoMar]

A friendly word of advise, if you feel the need to attack someone, at least do it intelligently or it just makes you look stupid and makes your attack look like its self-inflicted. I would suggest reading your posts very carefully before hitting the submit button, and looking at yourself in the mirror, albeit a very short mirror so your head is not cut off, and be sure your post actually contains something resembling even a shred of logic.

Also, thanks for making it so easy for me to respond to your attack.


Confused....what was not logical about the post?

[Rwirish]

So we are to follow CDC guidelines. Two in a cart but maintain 6 ft social distancing if the other person is not vaccinated!

[DARFAP]

The annual trail fee, if you pay it, is for exec courses. Trail fee for championship courses is included in the cost you pay to play. One way to be able to avoid being paired up is to tell them you smoke.

[Two Bills]

Got to admit, everything is so simple and easy to understand on TOYV!:1rotfl:

[Annie66]

Isn't there still the option to have more than two carts, just not in the fairway??

I spoke with a starter yesterday about a third cart which can occur when a 4th is added to a three-some. He said the 3rd cart would have to remain on the cart path. Seems to me, this was the pre-Covid policy.

[bowlingal]

Bay Kid....not walking in 98 degree heat

[donassaid]

Oh horrors. If you have been vaccinated, what difference does it make. Hope I never end up in your foursome.

[HoosierPa]

The courses have taken a beating with double the cart traffic for a year. I don’t blame them for limiting 2 carts per foursome. Most
people like the convenience of riding in their own cart alone and many try to make an argument about safety when it is really about convenience yet go everywhere without a mask now that they are vaccinated.

[golfing eagles]

I spoke with a starter yesterday about a third cart which can occur when a 4th is added to a three-some. He said the 3rd cart would have to remain on the cart path. Seems to me, this was the pre-Covid policy.

The question becomes---who is the "third cart"? Generally, it has been the single that refuses to double up. Of course that can end up to be the guy with the RA tag, which creates problems as well. There is going to be a meeting about this Tuesday, so time will tell.

[bilcon]

There are no trail fees on Championship courses.

[Neils]

Why not simply restrict all carts to the cart paths and stop the wear/tear damage to courses , no matter how many carts

[rmpm48@gmail.com]

If I pay my trail fee then I use my cart

[Neils]

I want to let everyone know that Mr. Baier, our District Manager had major surgery in April to remove a tumor attached to several organs. He has also received chemo treatments. He is a very good man and thankfully is recovering to slowly return to work full time.

Everyone has issues that are important. I am sure he will address this issue as soon as he can.

Very sorry to hear of his illness. I wish him all the best.

Someone in the office must be covering his position and picking up phone calls during his absence.

[noslices1]

because if you had it means you can't get covid from someone else...or did you just get vaccinated because you like the needle?

Being ignorant is a choice a person makes even though they have the proper information available. Being stupid is not knowing the information they require is available.

You can still get Covid, even when vaccinated. It may not be as bad, but you can still get it.

[golfing eagles]

You can still get Covid, even when vaccinated. It may not be as bad, but you can still get it.

For the ten thousandth time, NO YOU CAN'T

(For the nitpickers out there, yes, 0.008% is not zero)

[Neils]

I want to let everyone know that Mr. Baier, our District Manager had major surgery in April to remove a tumor attached to several organs. He has also received chemo treatments. He is a very good man and thankfully is recovering to slowly return to work full time.

Everyone has issues that are important. I am sure he will address this issue as soon as he can.

Very sorry to hear of his illness. I wish him all the best.

Someone in the office must be covering his position and picking up phone calls during his absence.

[golfing eagles]

Very sorry to hear of his illness. I wish him all the best.

Someone in the office must be covering his position and picking up phone calls during his absence.

Wish you had said this before (as in post #48):1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[drcar]

This is typical for TOTV, thread starts, posters change the direction of the post! This IS NOT about trail fees. And NO just because you pay a trail fee you HAVE THE RIGHT to drive your own cart. It gives you the right NOT to have pay every time when you ride in a cart. The two cart change is just GOING BACK to the rules before COVID. The rules then were simple if you take more then 2 carts, ONLY two can be in the fairway at a time. Folks it is THAT SIMPLE! Golfers complain about the conditions, then complain because they can't take four carts on the fairways.

[Polar Bear]

For the ten thousandth time, NO YOU CAN'T

(For the nitpickers out there, yes, 0.008% is not zero)
So you admit you’re wrong!
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

So you admit you’re wrong!
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

PB----I never counted you among the nitpickers:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[dewilson58]

For the ten thousandth time, NO YOU CAN'T

(For the nitpickers out there, yes, 0.008% is not zero)

But can I get it if I back into a door handle??

[DaleDivine]

Why not simply restrict all carts to the cart paths and stop the wear/tear damage to courses , no matter how many carts

The executive courses have cart paths(unless it's a par four) that you have to stay on unless you have a CAP. No more RA's.
I believe the doubling up only applies to championship courses and most of them have limited cart paths, not throughout the entire holes.
:popcorn::popcorn:

[dewilson58]

Why not simply restrict all carts to the cart paths and stop the wear/tear damage to courses , no matter how many carts

Golf carts don't damage courses..........
Gun don't kill people.............

[Pat La Rosa]

I have played so called Championship golf courses every day for the past 4 years and I will tell you that I find no difference in the condition of the courses for the past 4 years even though the allowed 4 carts to ride in the fairways. I think you have to agree that no two carts ride exactly on the same path when driving to their ball in the fairway. I will probably have a problem since my wife has Dementia and I have a heart problem and have a handicap card. If there are 3 carts do I, since I have a Spectator, have to ride on the cart path? They should make an exception for the handicapped and allow them to ride at the 90 degree rule. This is my only enjoyment in the Villages and at almost 92 years old I feel the powers to be should have a little compassion for the golfers with disabilities and grant them this privilege. I play in the afternoons every day and this should not be a problem.

[Polar Bear]

PB----I never counted you among the nitpickers:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Ooooooohhh. I can pick nits with the best of ‘em! Especially if it might get me a laugh!
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[photo1902]

Why not simply restrict all carts to the cart paths and stop the wear/tear damage to courses , no matter how many carts

The course conditions sucked long before foursomes each taking a cart

[yankygrl]

For the ten thousandth time, NO YOU CAN'T

(For the nitpickers out there, yes, 0.008% is not zero)
Actually you can get COVID once fully vaccinated or be a carrier BUT this has nothing to do with original thread - question

[YouNeverKnow]

A round of golf has gone much faster with everyone having their own cart!
If they are worried about the fairways with too many carts they might want to think about banning those small air conditioned, luxury, size of a small sports car, vehicles they call Cool Karts. They have to be much heavier than a regular golf cart and you would think they would be worse for the courses than an extra golf cart on the fairway.
Might as well allow everyone to take their Miatas or Mini Coopers on the courses with a golf cart rack on the back.

[golfing eagles]

Actually you can get COVID once fully vaccinated or be a carrier BUT this has nothing to do with original thread - question

And your comment has nothing to do with reality. And YOUR credentials are?????? Yep, I thought so.

[Nordhagen]

Why do you care? If you’re vaccinated you’re safe😎

[Dantes]

Everyone should be asked for there polo, chickenpox , measles vaccinations they are only 97% effective ! We should restrict all modes of travel from state to state unless you have a passport just like China that would fix it all
I also believe in Sharia Law
Your a racist if you don’t think this way correct??😷😵*💫🤡

[drcar]

Everyone should be asked for there polo, chickenpox , measles vaccinations they are only 97% effective ! We should restrict all modes of travel from state to state unless you have a passport just like China that would fix it all
I also believe in Sharia Law
Your a racist if you don’t think this way correct??😷😵*💫🤡

WAYYYYYY off topic

[VIN574]

I have enjoyed being in my own cart. Still, we all knew this was going to end and we'd be back to normal. Courses all over the country have gone back to two carts per foursome, we're not any more special. The choice still remains the same, play or not play. I'll be playing.

YMMV

[tophcfa]

I have enjoyed being in my own cart. Still, we all knew this was going to end and we'd be back to normal. Courses all over the country have gone back to two carts per foursome, we're not any more special. The choice still remains the same, play or not play. I'll be playing.

YMMV

The courses up north have generally gone back to only giving a foursome two golf cart keys, but will be more than happy to give you four keys if you pay for two extra carts. Since we bring our own carts to the courses in the Villages, they have no financial incentive to allow four carts. Like everything, it boils down to the $$.

[DonH57]

A round of golf has gone much faster with everyone having their own cart!
If they are worried about the fairways with too many carts they might want to think about banning those small air conditioned, luxury, size of a small sports car, vehicles they call Cool Karts. They have to be much heavier than a regular golf cart and you would think they would be worse for the courses than an extra golf cart on the fairway.
Might as well allow everyone to take their Miatas or Mini Coopers on the courses with a golf cart rack on the back.

On average when using 3 or 4 carts our rounds have played 7 to 12 minutes quicker. Fifteen when not being held back by groups in front.

[mike234]

who is going to tell me about having 2 to a cart? the pro shop, when I pay? or else I pay, and the starter says I have to ride with someone? maybe the ambassador?
what are my options? a refund, a credit, or nothing?
this is going to be fun.

[golfing eagles]

who is going to tell me about having 2 to a cart? the pro shop, when I pay? or else I pay, and the starter says I have to ride with someone? maybe the ambassador?
what are my options? a refund, a credit, or nothing?
this is going to be fun.

Are you implying that you wouldn't play at all if the starter told you you had to double up in a cart????? If so, save yourself some time-----they ARE going to tell you that. The other option is to refuse to double up, but then, as the third cart, you will have to stay on the cart paths for the whole round.

[stanley]

who is going to tell me about having 2 to a cart? the pro shop, when I pay? or else I pay, and the starter says I have to ride with someone? maybe the ambassador?
what are my options? a refund, a credit, or nothing?
this is going to be fun.

Sounds to me like you already know the policy and would not have to ask anyone or be told by anyone. So it's really your problem

[tophcfa]

One thing about this policy change that is certain, pace of play is going to slow down substantially. Those who opt to ride alone, and are forced to play golf path only golf, will easily take an extra 20 minutes per round at a minimum, and probably much longer in many cases. Couple that with no longer enjoying the faster play when everyone has their own cart and a typical Championship round could easily be 45 minutes longer. And as we all know too well, it doesn't matter how fast your group plays, you can only play as fast as the slowest group in front of you.

[dhsmith]

I think the pace of play will speed up.We live on the golf course and you can’t believe the circling and riding around looking for golf balls.Doubling up we at least have a 1 in 2 chance one of the players saw were the ball went.

[drcar]

If I pay my trail fee then I use my cart

This has NOTHING to do with your trail fee!

[yabbadu]

You know what you signed up for!

These complaints are by people who fail to read what they sign up for.!

Easy way, Pay as you golf.....End of story

[grayesun]

As Pre-Covid, I'll continue to pair up with anyone in my/their cart...except a smoker. I'd rather walk than be subjected to burning tobacco exhaust. On the question of my personal Covid vaccination status, the answer will be "I've got immunity"...and not a word more.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Ridiculous for Executive courses where most never have a cart on the grass.

Most executive courses never have a cart on the grass? Are you serious? The privileged/entitled here rarely stay on the cart paths; they’re all of the execs.

[kcrazorbackfan]

This is typical for TOTV, thread starts, posters change the direction of the post! This IS NOT about trail fees. And NO just because you pay a trail fee you HAVE THE RIGHT to drive your own cart. It gives you the right NOT to have pay every time when you ride in a cart. The two cart change is just GOING BACK to the rules before COVID. The rules then were simple if you take more then 2 carts, ONLY two can be in the fairway at a time. Folks it is THAT SIMPLE! Golfers complain about the conditions, then complain because they can't take four carts on the fairways.

Bravo! 👏👏👏👏👏

[Number 10 GI]

But can I get it if I back into a door handle??

I heard you can get if off a toilet seat.:)

[Number 10 GI]

I am soooo glad I don't play golf, too much drama! I thought the sport supposed to be fun.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I have played so called Championship golf courses every day for the past 4 years and I will tell you that I find no difference in the condition of the courses for the past 4 years even though the allowed 4 carts to ride in the fairways. I think you have to agree that no two carts ride exactly on the same path when driving to their ball in the fairway. I will probably have a problem since my wife has Dementia and I have a heart problem and have a handicap card. If there are 3 carts do I, since I have a Spectator, have to ride on the cart path? They should make an exception for the handicapped and allow them to ride at the 90 degree rule. This is my only enjoyment in the Villages and at almost 92 years old I feel the powers to be should have a little compassion for the golfers with disabilities and grant them this privilege. I play in the afternoons every day and this should not be a problem.

This is a senior community with over 100,000 residents. A very significant portion of them have disabilities. There are accommodations for CAP players already, but there are also guidelines that disabled golfers must abide by. Here they are:

Applies only to the individual(s) with the CAP card.
 Parking of golf cars on the slopes/surrounds of any green is prohibited.
 Golf cars must be kept a minimum of 10 yards from Greens.
 Do Not Park in front of Greens.
 Avoid areas between the green and bunkers.
 When conditions warrant and the course has been designated Cart Path
Only, ALL golfers including those with CAP cards must adhere to the cart
path only restrictions

The rules are pretty reasonable considering that as a golfer, it's assumed you have SOME ability to move around freely, even if walking many steps might be difficult.

[stanley]

This is a senior community with over 100,000 residents. A very significant portion of them have disabilities. There are accommodations for CAP players already, but there are also guidelines that disabled golfers must abide by. Here they are:

Applies only to the individual(s) with the CAP card.
 Parking of golf cars on the slopes/surrounds of any green is prohibited.
 Golf cars must be kept a minimum of 10 yards from Greens.
 Do Not Park in front of Greens.
 Avoid areas between the green and bunkers.
 When conditions warrant and the course has been designated Cart Path
Only, ALL golfers including those with CAP cards must adhere to the cart
path only restrictions

The rules are pretty reasonable considering that as a golfer, it's assumed you have SOME ability to move around freely, even if walking many steps might be difficult.


Those rules actually apply to all golfers

[DonH57]

You're better off walking if you continue to get stuck riding in someone's else's cart and they constantly can't finish the round for what ever reason. It also means no spectators allowed as well.