They finally did it!

[Two Bills]

:ohdear:
I see the powers that be have withdrawn the old version of TOTV.
R.I.P.

Do not like this new version.

[stanley]

I'm still on the old version?

[retiredguy123]

I'm still on the old version.

[vintageogauge]

I'm still on the old version and I hope it sticks around

[ureout]

me tooooo... I've tried the new version several times and still HATE it

[MrFlorida]

Old version here.

[Topspinmo]

On the old version right now. I too not fan of the new version.

[New Englander]

I'm on the old version. I really dislike the new one.

[Two Bills]

I have lost my 'click here for old version' option!
Gone!
It is no longer!
It has slipped this mortal coil!
It is an ex-version!
:shocked:

[njbchbum]

I have lost my 'click here for old version' option!
Gone!
It is no longer!
It has slipped this mortal coil!
It is an ex-version!
:shocked:

Am back on the old version because I found a link to it one one of the more obscure pages I had to surf around to find after I had been kicked to the new version! Hope you can find it - while I don't remember what page it was - it was at the bottom of that page!

[stanley]

I have lost my 'click here for old version' option!
Gone!
It is no longer!
It has slipped this mortal coil!
It is an ex-version!
:shocked:


I still get that also. Maybe if you click on that there is no return back to the old? I'm afraid.....someone want to try it for me?

[Kenswing]

I somehow got switched over to the new version and am not a big fan. I no longer have the link to get back to the better version.

[CFrance]

If only they would change the screaming white background on the first page--like the New Post page. It hurts my eyes. I can't think why they had to make it so glaringly bright.

I switched to the new version because the old version wouldn't show me Grumpy Old Man's photos. I was going right back to the old version. I guess I'm stuck with the new version now.

[Two Bills]

If only they would change the screaming white background on the first page--like the New Post page. It hurts my eyes. I can't think why they had to make it so glaringly bright.

I switched to the new version because the old version wouldn't show me Grumpy Old Man's photos. I was going right back to the old version. I guess I'm stuck with the new version now.

I blame Grumpy for this!
I too had to look at his photos in new version, as the did not show in the old.

[Two Bills]

89642

Has anyone seen this man?
I am trapped in the new version of TOTV.
I need to get back to the old version.
Any ideas how?

[retiredguy123]

Have you tried logging out and then back in? Or, using a different computer where you are not automatically logged in? The old version seems to still be available.

[Two Bills]

Have you tried logging out and then back in? Or, using a different computer where you are not automatically logged in? The old version seems to still be available.

Thanks.
Yes tried about everything.
Other computer same.
Even tried my VPN putting me in Miami and accesing through Google.
No good.
I am trapped!!

[maggie1]

There's a new version? Really?

[golfing eagles]

This morning the "reply with quote" option seems to have disappeared, anyone else have that problem???

[wrestle1]

Eagle- My Reply w Quote is also missing

[billlaur]

OLD VERSION THE BEST:boom:

[tsmall22204]

Change, just to be changing, is not good change.

[CFrance]

Am back on the old version because I found a link to it one one of the more obscure pages I had to surf around to find after I had been kicked to the new version! Hope you can find it - while I don't remember what page it was - it was at the bottom of that page!
njbchbum, do you recall what kind of page it was? Like a page telling you how to navigate TOTV, somebody's thread, one of the headings at the top of the page, etc?

For others, it looks like if you hit Reply, it will automatically quote the post. Now that's an improvement!

[jimkerr]

People seem to always dislike change.

[La lamy]

This morning the "reply with quote" option seems to have disappeared, anyone else have that problem???

Weird I had no "reply with quote" tab either this morning, but pressed "reply" and it added your quote automatically.

[La lamy]

This morning the "reply with quote" option seems to have disappeared, anyone else have that problem???

I think they changed the format to "Reply" adds the quote, and "quick reply" doesn't.

[retiredguy123]

Thanks.
Yes tried about everything.
Other computer same.
Even tried my VPN putting me in Miami and accesing through Google.
No good.
I am trapped!!
Have you tried a different browser? I use the Samsung Internet browser and the MS Edge browser, but when I go to the website with the Chrome browser, it goes to the new version.

[Barefoot]

THE OLD VERSION WAS THE BEST.I agree.

[DaleDivine]

I think they changed the format to "Reply" adds the quote, and "quick reply" doesn't.

Yep, I think you're right.
:ohdear::ohdear:

[Barefoot]

[QUOTE=stanley;1951428]I'm still on the old version.

The old version is better.

[Barefoot]

...

[Two Bills]

Have you tried a different browser? I use the Samsung Internet browser and the MS Edge browser, but when I go to the website with the Chrome browser, it goes to the new version.

Just been trying that, and no go. Still on the new one.
Will give it a try, and take to the highway if I don't get on with it.
Been fun.

[NoMoSno]

Most "modern" forum software allows users options for "skins".
I always choose a dark theme. Much easier on the eyes.

[Barefoot]

...

[tophcfa]

I cleared my browser history and had to re-log in to TOTV. Good version now no longer available, this is my first experience with the bad version, which $ucks out loud. Hope they make good version available again, or I could be done. This old dog does not want to learn new tricks : (

[Barefoot]

...

[Barefoot]

I don't like this new version.

Either do I.

[OhioBuckeye]

I don’t like the new version either but I guess it’s TV TOTV, I’m sure TV don’t care if you like it so I guess if we don’t, don’t use it!

[Barefoot]

I’m sure TV doesn't care if you like it.I'm sure that TOTV doesn't care if you like the new version.

[njbchbum]

njbchbum, do you recall what kind of page it was? Like a page telling you how to navigate TOTV, somebody's thread, one of the headings at the top of the page, etc?

For others, it looks like if you hit Reply, it will automatically quote the post. Now that's an improvement!

For the life of me it is difficult to figure out - maybe the one where I change my avatar or where I go to look up some old post - they are the only other pages I use pretty much!

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I’m such a non tech guy ( I have no premium channels) just NFL ticket and an Uber app that I don’t even know what version I’m on lol

[mikef65]

Supporting multiple versions of software is expensive in resources and complexity. Best path forward is to communicate specifically which deprecated features were useful and which new behavior is intolerable. Be polite. Software developers are people too. :)

[billethkid]

We have been gone for a week and when I started the computer this AM and went to TOTV (bookmark) it opened as usual to the old format.....which is my preference....happy to see it still available.

I saw no advantage to the new site and rank it as change for the sake of change with no perceptible advantages (for me).

[stan the man]

:ohdear:
I see the powers that be have withdrawn the old version of TOTV.
R.I.P.

Do not like this new version.

News, soon to be retired Newer version - lack of interest :):):)

[Two Bills]

Had a reply to an enquirey I made to TOTV, and evidently if you use the new version, you will probably lose the 'Click here' for old version as it is no longer supported.
So don't go there!!

As posted earlier, it's TOTV ball and their game.
Shame as I enjoyed it on here, but really not a fan of this new format, so will probably go and find another game to play!:ho:

[junction29]

Totally agree, the new version sucks 👿👿👿👿👿

[emb2458]

It is terrible

[TOTV Team]

We track the users that us the new format vs the old format. On average 95% of the users on TOTV are using the new format.

That being noted, we value the opinion of ALL users and we want to make the user experience as high of quality as possible. Obviously anyone with a computer or cell phone understands that technology advances and the software and development of the software has to advance with it as well. TOTV is extremely custom coded and we do not have the benefit of plug and play.

If we are provided with images, screen shots and specific suggestions on how to improve the experience on the website we would gladly look to implement changes. Feedback like 'bad', 'don't like it', 'sucks', 'won't use it', etc unfortunately does not provide the feedback required to make change and improvements.

We appreciate all the user support and feedback and value the time you spend on the website.

TOTV Team

[NoMoSno]

We track the users that us the new format vs the old format. On average 95% of the users on TOTV are using the new format.

That being noted, we value the opinion of ALL users and we want to make the user experience as high of quality as possible. Obviously anyone with a computer or cell phone understands that technology advances and the software and development of the software has to advance with it as well. TOTV is extremely custom coded and we do not have the benefit of plug and play.

If we are provided with images, screen shots and specific suggestions on how to improve the experience on the website we would gladly look to implement changes. Feedback like 'bad', 'don't like it', 'sucks', 'won't use it', etc unfortunately does not provide the feedback required to make change and improvements.

We appreciate all the user support and feedback and value the time you spend on the website.

TOTV Team
I am on multiple other forums.
They all have the option of choosing a viewing theme.
A light or dark theme is common.
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[Carla B]

I've been using the new version since it was new. I don't remember what advantage the old version may have had, so this one is good for me.

[Kenswing]

We track the users that us the new format vs the old format. On average 95% of the users on TOTV are using the new format.

That being noted, we value the opinion of ALL users and we want to make the user experience as high of quality as possible. Obviously anyone with a computer or cell phone understands that technology advances and the software and development of the software has to advance with it as well. TOTV is extremely custom coded and we do not have the benefit of plug and play.

If we are provided with images, screen shots and specific suggestions on how to improve the experience on the website we would gladly look to implement changes. Feedback like 'bad', 'don't like it', 'sucks', 'won't use it', etc unfortunately does not provide the feedback required to make change and improvements.

We appreciate all the user support and feedback and value the time you spend on the website.

TOTV TeamSome of the things I don't like about the new version are:
The stark white background. It's tough on the eyes after awhile. The old color scheme was much easier to look at.

I usually hit the "Today's Posts" link. The list it presents isn't as well defined as it used to be. Meaning the lines between each thread aren't as well defined. Everything just kind of runs together.

[oldtimes]

The green menu box that pops up on an android phone is too tiny to be able to use and very difficult and annoying to get rid of.
On an Ipad the the classifieds present poorly so that you can't even read the descriptions or make out the pictures.
It does not appear that the app is ever tested on mobile devices.

[bob47]

We track the users that us the new format vs the old format. On average 95% of the users on TOTV are using the new format.

That being noted, we value the opinion of ALL users and we want to make the user experience as high of quality as possible. Obviously anyone with a computer or cell phone understands that technology advances and the software and development of the software has to advance with it as well. TOTV is extremely custom coded and we do not have the benefit of plug and play.

If we are provided with images, screen shots and specific suggestions on how to improve the experience on the website we would gladly look to implement changes. Feedback like 'bad', 'don't like it', 'sucks', 'won't use it', etc unfortunately does not provide the feedback required to make change and improvements.

We appreciate all the user support and feedback and value the time you spend on the website.

TOTV Team

In a nutshell, in the old version, you can see a lot more of the various topics with a LOT LESS scrolling.

In the old version, you can on the home page quickly look at the latest posts in ALL the forums without going to each forum.

[tophcfa]

We track the users that us the new format vs the old format. On average 95% of the users on TOTV are using the new format.

That being noted, we value the opinion of ALL users and we want to make the user experience as high of quality as possible. Obviously anyone with a computer or cell phone understands that technology advances and the software and development of the software has to advance with it as well. TOTV is extremely custom coded and we do not have the benefit of plug and play.

If we are provided with images, screen shots and specific suggestions on how to improve the experience on the website we would gladly look to implement changes. Feedback like 'bad', 'don't like it', 'sucks', 'won't use it', etc unfortunately does not provide the feedback required to make change and improvements.

We appreciate all the user support and feedback and value the time you spend on the website.

TOTV Team

If you sincerely appreciate user feedback and want to make a huge improvement, bring back the old version.

[stanley]

If you sincerely appreciate user feedback and want to make a huge improvement, bring back the old version.

I don't see too many people in the 4 pages of replies say they love the new version. That's why I find that 95% number a tad hard to believe

We track the users that us the new format vs the old format. On average 95% of the users on TOTV are using the new format.

TOTV Team

[Polar Bear]

If you sincerely appreciate user feedback and want to make a huge improvement, bring back the old version.
That is not a unanimous opinion.

[stanley]

That is not a unanimous opinion.

Certainly not "unanimous", but the "vast majority", and I would say better than 95%, in this thread want to keep the old version.

[oldtimes]

I don't see too many people in the 4 pages of replies say they love the new version. That's why I find that 95% number a tad hard to believe

Just because we don’t like it doesn’t mean we don’t use it. They said the old version would eventually go away so I accepted that to mean switching was inevitable.

[golfing eagles]

Just because we don’t like it doesn’t mean we don’t use it. They said the old version would eventually go away so I accepted that to mean switching was inevitable.

Bring back DOS 2.0:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[oldtimes]

Bring back DOS 2.0:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

MS-DOS continues to be used around the world and is responsible for many embedded applications. MS-DOS may be not a very important operating system anymore, but it still has value and is used in many applications.

[Polar Bear]

Certainly not "unanimous", but the "vast majority", and I would say better than 95%, in this thread want to keep the old version.
In this thread maybe.

[JoMar]

In this thread maybe.

Which puts me in the 5% :a040:

[TOTV Team]

I am on multiple other forums.
They all have the option of choosing a viewing theme.
A light or dark theme is common.
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We can do the new version with a different color 'theme'. But it will still be the layout of the new version. Let us know if that would be a good option.

[TOTV Team]

Some of the things I don't like about the new version are:
The stark white background. It's tough on the eyes after awhile. The old color scheme was much easier to look at.

I usually hit the "Today's Posts" link. The list it presents isn't as well defined as it used to be. Meaning the lines between each thread aren't as well defined. Everything just kind of runs together.

1) So a different option than the white background

2) When you click 'new posts' there are lines that separate each one. Is there something that would be better in this regard?

[TOTV Team]

The green menu box that pops up on an android phone is too tiny to be able to use and very difficult and annoying to get rid of.
On an Ipad the the classifieds present poorly so that you can't even read the descriptions or make out the pictures.
It does not appear that the app is ever tested on mobile devices.

1) We will send both of these suggestions to the developers to improve.

2) The website was tested on mobile and we appreciate the feedback.

[TOTV Team]

If you sincerely appreciate user feedback and want to make a huge improvement, bring back the old version.

That is a good suggestion but doesn't address the need for keeping updated with technology.

If there is a specific suggestion on how to improve the new version please submit.

[TOTV Team]

In a nutshell, in the old version, you can see a lot more of the various topics with a LOT LESS scrolling.

In the old version, you can on the home page quickly look at the latest posts in ALL the forums without going to each forum.

On the new version we changed the forum thread homepage and it is now like you describe.

[TOTV Team]

I don't see too many people in the 4 pages of replies say they love the new version. That's why I find that 95% number a tad hard to believe

We didn't want to go off how we thought or felt so we implemented google analytic code for tracking when we launched the new version. So we know the data is correct.

Also the majority of consumers will write a bad review 10-1 before they write a good one. So only seeing a fraction of the 200,000 visitors a month with this feedback also lends to the data being correct.

[TOTV Team]

Certainly not "unanimous", but the "vast majority", and I would say better than 95%, in this thread want to keep the old version.

The numbers in this thread are a fraction of 200,000 monthly visitors.

[NoMoSno]

We can do the new version with a different color 'theme'. But it will still be the layout of the new version. Let us know if that would be a good option.
Yes, an option to change from a white background to a darker background would be great.

[Kenswing]

1) So a different option than the white background

2) When you click 'new posts' there are lines that separate each one. Is there something that would be better in this regard?
Yes, an option for a different colored background would be great. The color scheme of the old version worked well.

Yes, there are lines that differentiate the threads but they're not as well pronounced as the older version.

Another thing that I noticed since I've been using the new version is that it's more condensed. Whereas the old version took up my entire screen from side to side, the new version only takes up the middle 2/3 of the screen. Seems a bit crowded.

[oldtimes]

On the new version we changed the forum thread homepage and it is now like you describe.

This is better. Thank you.

[JSR22]

I like the new version.

[Polar Bear]

Silly question alert…how do I know which version I am using? :D

[CFrance]

We track the users that us the new format vs the old format. On average 95% of the users on TOTV are using the new format.

That being noted, we value the opinion of ALL users and we want to make the user experience as high of quality as possible. Obviously anyone with a computer or cell phone understands that technology advances and the software and development of the software has to advance with it as well. TOTV is extremely custom coded and we do not have the benefit of plug and play.

If we are provided with images, screen shots and specific suggestions on how to improve the experience on the website we would gladly look to implement changes. Feedback like 'bad', 'don't like it', 'sucks', 'won't use it', etc unfortunately does not provide the feedback required to make change and improvements.

We appreciate all the user support and feedback and value the time you spend on the website.

TOTV Team
If you could take every part that's brilliant white (especially that page that lists all the posts) and make it a softer color or even a softer white, that would be a big help. I don't mind the new version so much as the terrible glare on any page that's white. I suppose I could dim my screen, but that would cause a problem with other web sites.

[retiredguy123]

Silly question alert…how do I know which version I am using? :D
If you see a lot of dark green and beige, you are using the old version.

[coffeebean]

This morning the "reply with quote" option seems to have disappeared, anyone else have that problem???

The REPLY button seems to be the "new" REPLY WITH QUOTE button. Then......there is the QUICK REPLY button when you do not want to include a quote.

[retiredguy123]

The REPLY button seems to be the "new" REPLY WITH QUOTE button. Then......there is the QUICK REPLY button when you do not want to include a quote.
Which version? With the old version, you can click on "quick reply" and include a quote by clicking on the "quote message in reply" box.

[oldtimes]

The REPLY button seems to be the "new" REPLY WITH QUOTE button. Then......there is the QUICK REPLY button when you do not want to include a quote.

Absolutely brilliant.

[Polar Bear]

If I see the “Reply” and “Quick Reply” buttons and I see no “Reply with Quote” button, does that mean I’m using the new version?

[retiredguy123]

If I see the “Reply” and “Quick Reply” buttons and I see no “Reply with Quote” button, does that mean I’m using the new version?
I'm using the old version, and it doesn't have a reply or a reply with quote button. But, it does have a red bar at the top of the page that says that I am using the old design.

[bobdeb]

Weird I had no "reply with quote" tab either this morning, but pressed "reply" and it added your quote automatically.

Ok, it wasn't just me then...

[Two Bills]

Clicked 'Forums-Todays Posts' and low and behold at the bottom of page as 'Click here' to use old version was back.
No idea how long it will remain, but it was nice to meet an old friend again!

[tvbound]

A tip of the hat to management, for being smart enough to bring back the option for the old version. "New" is not always better.

[Topspinmo]

Bring back DOS 2.0:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Being back windows 98:MOJE_whot:, so I can play all my games :a040: