Putting the current Covid death rate in perspective

[Swoop]

With the current seven day average of Covid coded deaths in the US, and based on the CDC numbers, the chances of dying with Covid are about equal to your chances of dying from a stroke. You have a greater chance of dying in an accident than dying with Covid. And you are 4X more likely to die from cancer and 4.5X more likely to die from heart disease.

[gdennis317]

All of these have potentially serious effects on your health long term, that do not include death. Good idea to do what you can to prevent all of the above, including Covid.

[gdennis317]

With the current seven day average of Covid coded deaths in the US, and based on the CDC numbers, the chances of dying with Covid are about equal to your chances of dying from a stroke. You have a greater chance of dying in an accident than dying with Covid. And you are 4X more likely to die from cancer and 4.5X more likely to die from heart disease.

All of these listed above, including Covid, can have serious effects long term that do not include death. Best to do what you can to avoid them all.

[asianthree]

So death certificate will state gunshot to the ___________ without Covid

[John41]

With the current seven day average of Covid coded deaths in the US, and based on the CDC numbers, the chances of dying with Covid are about equal to your chances of dying from a stroke. You have a greater chance of dying in an accident than dying with Covid. And you are 4X more likely to die from cancer and 4.5X more likely to die from heart disease.

Thanks to the vaccines developed last year and those who chose to be vaccinated. If there were vaccines for those those other diseases I wonder how many would wonder about the long term effects of being vaccinated against them. Crazy behavior.

[Altavia]

COVID-19 cases and deaths are down but rate of infection is the same as it was in December for unvaccinated

COVID-19 cases and deaths are down but rate of infection is the same as it was in December for unvaccinated (https://news.yahoo.com/news/news/covid-19-cases-deaths-down-021222310.html)


Sacramento-area doctor talks about COVID-19 infection rates among unvaccinated (https://news.yahoo.com/news/sacramento-area-doctor-talks-covid-144724802.html)

"The Post found that the rate among those unvaccinated is 73% higher than figures being publicized. Their analysis found that in states with high unvaccinated populations, the pandemic is ongoing at the same pace it was during the last surge."

[GrumpyOldMan]

The actual number surrounding the COVID pandemic will not be "known" probably for decades. Scientists are still debating the numbers from the Spanish Flu. It is an easy thing to evaluate. There are many complicating factors, one of which is the cause of death determination, which many here repeatedly mention.

We can be fairly sure of how many people died with COVID. But even that number is not appearing to be significantly underreported. And then of course there are the long haulers - who we are just now learning about.

One interesting unexpected side effect is two variants of the seasonal flu appear to be eliminated as a result of people wearing masks and social distancing.

[jebartle]

With the current seven day average of Covid coded deaths in the US, and based on the CDC numbers, the chances of dying with Covid are about equal to your chances of dying from a stroke. You have a greater chance of dying in an accident than dying with Covid. And you are 4X more likely to die from cancer and 4.5X more likely to die from heart disease.

Yipsters!

[JMintzer]

One interesting unexpected side effect is two variants of the seasonal flu appear to be eliminated as a result of people wearing masks and social distancing.

If that is what eliminated the Flu, why didn't it eliminate Covid?

[Altavia]

If that is what eliminated the Flu, why didn't it eliminate Covid?

Because COVID is significantly more infectious. Particularly prior having symptoms. In some cases, never showing symptoms.

Children not being in daycare/school may be a significant factor reducing flu and other upper respiratory illnesses.

[Boffin]

The slowest way to die is to stay healthy.

[coffeebean]

If that is what eliminated the Flu, why didn't it eliminate Covid?

Google says this...........

"COVID-19
Common question
Is the coronavirus more contagious than flu?

While COVID-19 and flu viruses are thought to spread in similar ways, COVID-19 is more contagious among certain populations and age groups than flu. Also, COVID-19 has been observed to have more superspreading events than flu."

[tsmall22204]

Ok, you are one of those who resist the vaccine. I don't care about your health if you don't. Get sick and die, get sick and recover, I really don't care. You have made your choice.

[donassaid]

It's not a vaccine. It's "experimental " gene therapy that has killed hundreds and sickened thousands. All for what? A virus that 99% of people survive. Now who's crazy?

[JMintzer]

Because COVID is significantly more infectious. Particularly prior having symptoms. In some cases, never showing symptoms.

Children not being in daycare/school may be a significant factor reducing flu and other upper respiratory illnesses.

Daycare was one of the first things to reopen... Well before the vaccine was available...

And Covid being more infectious? Possibly... But not enough to get those ridiculously low flu numbers...

[JMintzer]

The slowest way to die is to stay healthy.

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[JMintzer]

Google says this...........

"COVID-19
Common question
Is the coronavirus more contagious than flu?

While COVID-19 and flu viruses are thought to spread in similar ways, COVID-19 is more contagious among certain populations and age groups than flu. Also, COVID-19 has been observed to have more superspreading events than flu."

What "certain groups"?

[JMintzer]

It's not a vaccine. It's "experimental " gene therapy that has killed hundreds and sickened thousands. All for what? A virus that 99% of people survive. Now who's crazy?

Yeah, no...

If by "experimental", you mean something that has been worked on for decades, then sure, go with that...

[Boffin]

It's not a vaccine. It's "experimental " gene therapy that has killed hundreds and sickened thousands. All for what? A virus that 99% of people survive. Now who's crazy?

People that think the COVID vaccine is experimental gene therapy are, by virtue of that exact way of thinking, ideal candidates for getting that vaccination.

[Nannyof3]

you

[Pat2015]

COVID-19 cases and deaths are down but rate of infection is the same as it was in December for unvaccinated

COVID-19 cases and deaths are down but rate of infection is the same as it was in December for unvaccinated (https://news.yahoo.com/news/news/covid-19-cases-deaths-down-021222310.html)


Sacramento-area doctor talks about COVID-19 infection rates among unvaccinated (https://news.yahoo.com/news/sacramento-area-doctor-talks-covid-144724802.html)

"The Post found that the rate among those unvaccinated is 73% higher than figures being publicized. Their analysis found that in states with high unvaccinated populations, the pandemic is ongoing at the same pace it was during the last surge."
There’s been at least 12,000 vaccinated people who have gotten Covid from articles that I’ve read, and there’s new info coming out that people who take immune suppressant drugs and have been vaccinated are not showing any antibodies to Covid. Apparently people taking those drugs were not part of any clinical studies and it appears that for some number of people it’s as if they’ve not been vaccinated at all -

Covid-19 vaccine: Millions of Americans might not have had an adequate response to shot (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/covid-19-vaccine-tens-of-millions-of-americans-might-not-have-had-an-adequate-response-to-shot/ar-AAKHpF3?ocid=HPDHP17&li=BBnb7Kz)

More info coming out everyday from the ongoing clinical studies of the vaccinated.

[Ptmckiou]

There is a reason polio was eradicated throughout the world except for two countries now. It’s because everyone took the vaccine. That’s what vaccines do. This is a no brainer. If there is even the slightest of chance of getting Covid (including all its lasting side effects) and getting sick and/or dying vs a 100% guarantee I won’t get sick enough to go to the hospital….which am I going to take? The 100% guarantee which equals taking the vaccine!! Like I said…a no brainer for me.

A bird in the hand….

[FromNY]

Dying is easy. Being a long hauler survivor not so easy. Besides the medical complications there are emotional, financial and life changes that create horrible situations for people. Minimal chance of death. Living with results of even a mild case is a nightmare. The medical professionals world wide are learning how to treat this. Do your part. Wash your hands, consider a vaccine if you have health issues and take care of your body. Once it is damaged your time is decreased. For some they may not care for others maybe they want to live to see another grandchild?

[Billy1]

Jon Rahm's million dollar pay day just died because of covid19. Think smart.

[Altavia]

Ok, you are one of those who resist the vaccine. I don't care about your health if you don't. Get sick and die, get sick and recover, I really don't care. You have made your choice.


A key reason to get vaccinated is to protect others but bottom line is something like 20% of the population puts themselves first.

Doubt they will decline treatment if infected.

[DAVES]

With the current seven day average of Covid coded deaths in the US, and based on the CDC numbers, the chances of dying with Covid are about equal to your chances of dying from a stroke. You have a greater chance of dying in an accident than dying with Covid. And you are 4X more likely to die from cancer and 4.5X more likely to die from heart disease.

Not sure of the point.

We tend to think to ignore reality. No one gets out alive. That does not mean it is wise to step onto the highway or in front of a moving train.

[toeser]

The actual number surrounding the COVID pandemic will not be "known" probably for decades. Scientists are still debating the numbers from the Spanish Flu. It is an easy thing to evaluate. There are many complicating factors, one of which is the cause of death determination, which many here repeatedly mention.

We can be fairly sure of how many people died with COVID. But even that number is not appearing to be significantly underreported. And then of course there are the long haulers - who we are just now learning about.

One interesting unexpected side effect is two variants of the seasonal flu appear to be eliminated as a result of people wearing masks and social distancing.


"If they don't know the actual number of deaths now (and they don't), they won't know it in decades either.

[Ptmckiou]

It's not a vaccine. It's "experimental " gene therapy that has killed hundreds and sickened thousands. All for what? A virus that 99% of people survive. Now who's crazy?

Where have you been? This gene therapy has been worked on for over 15 years. They are able to use it now on most any type of vaccine which is a game changer in science. They have had entire documentaries interviewing the scientists that have been working on the gene therapy for decades.

They also have interviewed many people that were in the initial 30,000+ vaccine pipeline following their progress, NO! There was not hundreds killed and thousands sickened. There is zero proof to that statement.

Conspiracy theories are so unbecoming…. Btw, 1% of the USA population is 3.5 million people….that would be considered a devastating historical amount of death, by any historical data.

[Altavia]

Daycare was one of the first things to reopen... Well before the vaccine was available...

And Covid being more infectious? Possibly... But not enough to get those ridiculously low flu numbers...

My grandchildren just started back and are now bringing sniffles home to mom and dad so we'll see.

Agree the seemingly disappearance of several strains of the flu would take more than masks and handwashing to eliminate.

[Glennjy]

Everyone can say what they want about Covid but the fact remains that people have died from it and continue to die from it. I know, my mother died from Covid in December just before Christmas alone in the hospital.
So your stats don't mean anything to me.

[KYtoTV2021]

At it's worst.......Covid death rate was 0.3% -- that is 3 out of every 1,000 who contracted covid.
The (annual) flu has a death rate of about 0.1%

So, if you had a 33% chance of contracting covid (by taking virtually NO precautions), you had about a one in 1,000 chance of a fatal situation. Choice: one in 1,000 chance of lethal covid or 100% chance of 'cabin fever'.
Everyone has their own perspective. For me, I am not going to hunker down in my bunker and shiver in fear.

[Mohawksin]

With the current seven day average of Covid coded deaths in the US, and based on the CDC numbers, the chances of dying with Covid are about equal to your chances of dying from a stroke. You have a greater chance of dying in an accident than dying with Covid. And you are 4X more likely to die from cancer and 4.5X more likely to die from heart disease.

Check this out from Illinois

Why and how COVID-19 deaths are tracked in Illinois | Top Stories | wandtv.com (https://www.wandtv.com/news/why-and-how-covid-19-deaths-are-tracked-in-illinois/article_2085ddaa-93e8-11ea-b1c2-7fd058d907cf.html)

[graciegirl]

At it's worst.......Covid death rate was 0.3% -- that is 3 out of every 1,000 who contracted covid.
The (annual) flu has a death rate of about 0.1%

So, if you had a 33% chance of contracting covid (by taking virtually NO precautions), you had about a one in 1,000 chance of a fatal situation. Choice: one in 1,000 chance of lethal covid or 100% chance of 'cabin fever'.
Everyone has their own perspective. For me, I am not going to hunker down in my bunker and shiver in fear.

How old are you?? I am 81. My risk of dying from it, should I have gotten sick from it were as seen. MUCH MUCH Greater than a younger person.

However I have been vaccinated and I am not likely to die from it at all. I will continue with my hell raising life.

Risk for COVID-19 Infection, Hospitalization, and Death By Age Group | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html)

[Leadbone1]

With the current seven day average of Covid coded deaths in the US, and based on the CDC numbers, the chances of dying with Covid are about equal to your chances of dying from a stroke. You have a greater chance of dying in an accident than dying with Covid. And you are 4X more likely to die from cancer and 4.5X more likely to die from heart disease.

Daughter-in-law works as a registered nurse in a large hospital in Ohio. Works in a hospice area. Said almost every cause of death was listed as Covid, despite the fact that everyone of those people was already in hospice dying of something else? Bottom line, the number of covid deaths being put forth in this country is totally bogus. The real number is probably less than half of what we are being told!

[Swoop]

Check this out from Illinois

Why and how COVID-19 deaths are tracked in Illinois | Top Stories | wandtv.com (https://www.wandtv.com/news/why-and-how-covid-19-deaths-are-tracked-in-illinois/article_2085ddaa-93e8-11ea-b1c2-7fd058d907cf.html)

That why I worded my post “died with Covid” vs “died from Covid”...

[Becca9800]

There is a reason polio was eradicated throughout the world except for two countries now. It’s because everyone took the vaccine. That’s what vaccines do. This is a no brainer. If there is even the slightest of chance of getting Covid (including all its lasting side effects) and getting sick and/or dying vs a 100% guarantee I won’t get sick enough to go to the hospital….which am I going to take? The 100% guarantee which equals taking the vaccine!! Like I said…a no brainer for me.

A bird in the hand….

... is worth 2 in the bush. Is it? IMHO, it depends on what else is hiding in the bush. And we don't yet know.

Your decision is absolutely a good one.... FOR YOU.

[graciegirl]

Daughter-in-law works as a registered nurse in a large hospital in Ohio. Works in a hospice area. Said almost every cause of death was listed as Covid, despite the fact that everyone of those people was already in hospice dying of something else? Bottom line, the number of covid deaths being put forth in this country is totally bogus. The real number is probably less than half of what we are being told!

I am extremely skeptical about this undocumented hearsay.

I personally know of six people who were very sick with Covid and know of four people who died. One who said things just like you are saying. He rode his bike around the neighborhood. He died within six days of getting sick.

I ask you and your daughter in law, what would be the reason for saying someone died of Covid when they did not. Do not say money. These people had relatives. Do you think I would let someone say my mother died of Covid when she had a malignant brain tumor? It just doesn't make sense. It is another conspiracy theory. People died of Covid. Hospitals didn't get more money if they died of Covid. That is pure foolishness and it makes me really mad.

[Ele201]

That’s interesting. People are different and may react differently to the vaccine. Some are on medications that may react adversely to the vaccine. When it came out, there wasn’t a lot of time for testing because we were in an emergency situation. I’m glad that we got the vaccine.

[tuccillo]

The CDC website has the number of excess deaths. This is the number of deaths above what would normally be expected. Since COVID-19 was the extraordinary event of 2020, a high percentage of the excess deaths can be attributed either directly or indirectly to COVID-19. Some estimates have 80% of the excess deaths due to COVID-19. The reason to look at excess deaths is because the cause of each death, as reported on a death certificate, doesn't matter to the number.

Daughter-in-law works as a registered nurse in a large hospital in Ohio. Works in a hospice area. Said almost every cause of death was listed as Covid, despite the fact that everyone of those people was already in hospice dying of something else? Bottom line, the number of covid deaths being put forth in this country is totally bogus. The real number is probably less than half of what we are being told!

[Byte1]

I am extremely skeptical about this undocumented hearsay.

I personally know of six people who were very sick with Covid and know of four people who died. One who said things just like you are saying. He rode his bike around the neighborhood. He died within six days of getting sick.

I ask you and your daughter in law, what would be the reason for saying someone died of Covid when they did not. Do not say money. These people had relatives. Do you think I would let someone say my mother died of Covid when she had a malignant brain tumor? It just doesn't make sense. It is another conspiracy theory. People died of Covid. Hospitals didn't get more money if they died of Covid. That is pure foolishness and it makes me really mad.

There really is proof that many deaths were labeled "died WITH Covid."
I have two family members that "died WITH Covid." One was in the hospital for a heart operation (another one of many) and he died on the operating table. Cause= with covid. At the same time, another was in the hospital for kidney problems and dialysis treatment. He developed respiration difficulty, was put on a respirator and eventually passed. Cause= died "with" covid.
Did they die BECAUSE of covid? Who knows? Would they have died anyway? Who knows. It does make for a good excuse at those hospitals, doesn't it?
Money can and has corrupted many good people throughout history. Blame and excuses have always been prevalent since Adam and Eve.

[Bill14564]

At it's worst.......Covid death rate was 0.3% -- that is 3 out of every 1,000 who contracted covid.
The (annual) flu has a death rate of about 0.1%

So, if you had a 33% chance of contracting covid (by taking virtually NO precautions), you had about a one in 1,000 chance of a fatal situation. Choice: one in 1,000 chance of lethal covid or 100% chance of 'cabin fever'.
Everyone has their own perspective. For me, I am not going to hunker down in my bunker and shiver in fear.

What is your source for that 0.3% number? The numbers on the Johns Hopkins Covid page have shown the mortality rate at a fairly steady 1.5% for quite some time.

[Joe C.]

Does anyone really care anymore? Really? Looks like someone is beating a dead horse.

[Becca9800]

I am extremely skeptical about this undocumented hearsay.

... what would be the reason for saying someone died of Covid when they did not. Do not say money. These people had relatives. Do you think I would let someone say my mother died of Covid when she had a malignant brain tumor? It just doesn't make sense. It is another conspiracy theory. People died of Covid. Hospitals didn't get more money if they died of Covid. That is pure foolishness and it makes me really mad.

Well the ante was definitely upped where there was a diagnosis of Covid. An increase of 20% was at play., so def not pure foolishness. Hospitals though do not sign death certificates, which list the cause of death, physicians do. https://www.cms.gov/files/document/se20015.pdf. But why must it be a conspiracy theory bc one thinks it was all about the money? You don't believe there's greed out there? It makes me really mad to constantly read such garbage associated w a difference of opinion.

There are plenty of relatives fighting their loved one's listed cause of death. Duck Duck Go "dying with covid v dying from covid". You might be surprised. Here's a good one to get you going- Dying with COVID and dying from COVID are same thing in Oregon | kgw.com (https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/questions-over-the-accuracy-of-how-the-state-tracks-covid-deaths/283-0b1b7b6c-695e-4313-92cf-a4cfd7510721). Should all anecdotal information be disbelieved bc we don't like the way it makes us feel? OR should we look a little closer?

[Byte1]

It is FAR less deadly to young people.
It is FAR less deadly to young people.

They may think it hurts or it costs them something. They may think they need insurance. They may think it hurts. Some people are terribly afraid of anything medical.

Everyone in my entire family who can get vaccinated, has been vaccinated. You seem proud of your children and grandchildren? I am proud of mine.

I RESPECT their choice, even if I do not necessarily agree with their reasoning. However, even if I believe in vaccinations I will not push them. If I turn out to be wrong and there really IS a possible repercussion(s) to the vaccine, I won't feel guilty for pushing them to do something that may be harmful or even fatal. I am not suggesting that there is the possibility, just allowing them to make their own decision without my intimidation or coercion. And yes, I am pretty proud of how decent they have turned out.

[rmd2]

Google says this...........

"COVID-19
Common question
Is the coronavirus more contagious than flu?

While COVID-19 and flu viruses are thought to spread in similar ways, COVID-19 is more contagious among certain populations and age groups than flu. Also, COVID-19 has been observed to have more superspreading events than flu."

Yes, and now we know from Dr. Fauci's e-mails that the Wuhan Institute Covid studies of Gain of Function (COVID transfer to humans) was funded by Fauci at the NIH. Fauci used over $7,000,000 of our taxpayer dollars to research transfer of COVID to humans. Now we know the first cases of COVID were research staff in the Wuhan Institute. Fauci received e-mail information about the gain of function from other US researchers but ignored it. Dr. Fauci has already admitted he lied about some of the aspects of COVID transmittal as well as the times he changed his advice about masking, being with others, travel etc.

[Byte1]

No relation to anti vax and watching Fox? Please ROFLMAO

You are responding to me? Did I say that ?
I believe I was inferring that some folks make decisions based on their own reasoning, and are not necessarily basing their decisions on other folks OPINIONS.
Case in point: I do not get the flu vaccination. I base that on the fact that I seem to be able to either avoid the flu or I have some resistance to it. I have never had the flu. I also stated that if I ever catch the flu, I might consider getting the vaccination....maybe.
I do not watch FOX or other TV news, other than local news for the weather....sometimes. I mostly get my weather from the internet via my phone. I also get most of my news from the Internet, because I enjoy filtering what I might be interested in by reading the headlines first.
If you wish to make other folks' decisions to be politically motivated, then perhaps you do not have any respect for anyone's ability to thoughtfully reason and make decisions based on what they discern as common sense reasoned facts or evidence.

[kendi]

Probably the same number since they cannot be assured of the long term safety of the vaccine for a long long time.

[PersonalChoice]

I am extremely skeptical about this undocumented hearsay.

I personally know of six people who were very sick with Covid and know of four people who died. One who said things just like you are saying. He rode his bike around the neighborhood. He died within six days of getting sick.

I ask you and your daughter in law, what would be the reason for saying someone died of Covid when they did not. Do not say money. These people had relatives. Do you think I would let someone say my mother died of Covid when she had a malignant brain tumor? It just doesn't make sense. It is another conspiracy theory. People died of Covid. Hospitals didn't get more money if they died of Covid. That is pure foolishness and it makes me really mad.

My brother-in-law was very ill while receiving chemo treatments for cancer. While in the hospital he contracted pneumonia and died. His cause of death was listed as dying from CoVid-19. The CoVid-19 numbers are being inflated, in my opinion.

[Ben Franklin]

WOW - nothing political in that post. Well, let's give it at least to the end of 2022 before we (you) start assuming that all the non-vaccinated people made the poorer choice. I think the worst is yet to come ... not from those who are relying on their God-given immune systems but rather from those who now have compromised immune systems due to the mRNA shots (not a vaccine). It is those vaccinated people that will begin to overwhelm the healthcare system in a vain attempt to undo the damage to their bodies.

Unfortunately, what you have done to your body can not be reversed. You now OWN this little piece of mRNA. Sure, you have a bunch of scientists that say the mRNA is not permanent and will "disappear". I have a bunch of scientists that say otherwise. It doesn't matter whether you are in the majority or not. The majority can be wrong. Majority does not rule here. Only reality rules.

The mRNA shots have not been fully tested on humans. They are being tested now (on you). It matters very little what Fauci (now a proven liar), CDC, NIH as well as any talking TV heads have to say. We will know soon enough what is true and what is not true. Having the majority agree with you does not make you any safer. Good luck with your decision to take the shot (not a vaccine). You may not die from Covid. We'll see later what the shot itself does.

" I think the worst is yet to come ... not from those who are relying on their God-given immune systems but rather from those who now have compromised immune systems due to the mRNA shots (not a vaccine). It is those vaccinated people that will begin to overwhelm the healthcare system in a vain attempt to undo the damage to their bodies.

I don't believe god has been proven yet, either, so there's that...

[joedi]

Talk with a nurse who worked in ICU at the villages hospital and now is not because of the lies that were told. This nurse said over 500 villagers died and this person know because they helped put these people in Body bags so virus was contained inside bag. The truth was never been told because they dont want villagers to panic.








With the current seven day average of Covid coded deaths in the US, and based on the CDC numbers, the chances of dying with Covid are about equal to your chances of dying from a stroke. You have a greater chance of dying in an accident than dying with Covid. And you are 4X more likely to die from cancer and 4.5X more likely to die from heart disease.

[Swoop]

Maybe you can ask those who received the, not fully tested polio vaccine, how they faired.

That actually took place in 1935, 20 years before Salk developed his vaccine. Needless to say, the results were not good and the distribution was suspended...

Even some of the production of Salk’s vaccine had issues: In April 1955 more than 200 000 children in five Western and mid-Western USA states received a polio vaccine in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective. Within days there were reports of paralysis and within a month the first mass vaccination programme against polio had to be abandoned. Subsequent investigations revealed that the vaccine, manufactured by the California-based family firm of Cutter Laboratories, had caused 40 000 cases of polio, leaving 200 children with varying degrees of paralysis and killing 10.

The big difference with polio is that it was indiscriminate, it effected the sick and the healthy & the old and the young alike. Anyone can potentially acquire Covid, but it doesn’t effect everyone equally. It effects the old, the obese and the unhealthy to a much greater degree than the balance of the population.
The idea of giving the vaccine to healthy children, is truly absurd. No one knows what the long term side effects can or will be. Why risk that when those children are statistically not at risk from Covid?!?

[Pat2015]

There is now evidence that even if you got vaccinated that you might not have COVID antibodies if you take immune suppressant drugs. Seems like some people taking those kinds of drugs weren’t part of any clinical studies before the vaccines were released and after being fully vaccinated are now testing the same as non vaccinated people with no antibodies. As I’ve said before this is an ongoing clinical study in which all vaccinated people are being studied for side effects as well as vaccine efficiencies.

[Joe V.]

Talk with a nurse who worked in ICU at the villages hospital and now is not because of the lies that were told. This nurse said over 500 villagers died and this person know because they helped put these people in Body bags so virus was contained inside bag. The truth was never been told because they dont want villagers to panic.










Any proof of this? Any?? You are passing on hearsay.

[Dilligas]

It's not a vaccine. It's "experimental " gene therapy that has killed hundreds and sickened thousands. All for what? A virus that 99% of people survive. Now who's crazy?
You need to stop reading the internet. It is not all factual. There are hundreds of millions of people world wide that have received one of the vaccines (or as you call it experimental gene therapy) and have lived, not been infected with Covid -19. You can not say the same for those who avoid the innoculations.....check out India currently.

[newgirl]

Unless the one. Dying is someone YOU love!
Ignorance is not bliss, it's dangerous.

[Byte1]

Talk with a nurse who worked in ICU at the villages hospital and now is not because of the lies that were told. This nurse said over 500 villagers died and this person know because they helped put these people in Body bags so virus was contained inside bag. The truth was never been told because they dont want villagers to panic.

At the Villages hospital? 500? Wow, was that due to the long waiting time in the Emergency Room?

[Byte1]

The current death rate reported in the NEWS is supposed to be the lowest it's been since March 2020.
Either transmission is slowing
It's getting weaker
They know how to treat it now
Or
Due to the vaccinations, it has no place to incubate.

Or, maybe all of the above?

[jimjamuser]

With the current seven day average of Covid coded deaths in the US, and based on the CDC numbers, the chances of dying with Covid are about equal to your chances of dying from a stroke. You have a greater chance of dying in an accident than dying with Covid. And you are 4X more likely to die from cancer and 4.5X more likely to die from heart disease.
And the improvement IS due to increased vaccinations. Which, strangely, you have ALWAYS spoken against. What happened? A change of heart? A return to reality?

[jimjamuser]

The actual number surrounding the COVID pandemic will not be "known" probably for decades. Scientists are still debating the numbers from the Spanish Flu. It is an easy thing to evaluate. There are many complicating factors, one of which is the cause of death determination, which many here repeatedly mention.

We can be fairly sure of how many people died with COVID. But even that number is not appearing to be significantly underreported. And then of course there are the long haulers - who we are just now learning about.

One interesting unexpected side effect is two variants of the seasonal flu appear to be eliminated as a result of people wearing masks and social distancing.
Australia found out the same thing about Flu and increased mask wearing.

[Swoop]

And the improvement IS due to increased vaccinations. Which, strangely, you have ALWAYS spoken against. What happened? A change of heart? A return to reality?

I am sure the vaccines have had an impact. As I have stated before, the previous Covid viruses MERS & SARS weakened on their own. One lasted less than two years and the other outbreak lasted less than three years. There was no vaccine for either.

Many high risk individuals have died with Covid. A large number of the remaining high risk group have been vaccinated. At this point, roughly 1/2 of the US population has been vaccinated but Covid deaths are down at a considerably more than 50%.

I have always believed that if you are at risk, you should strongly consider getting vaccinated. However no one knows if there will be any long term side effects from the mRNA vaccines. So I still believe that personally, the potential risk outweighs the reward, considering I am not in the at risk group.

[jimjamuser]

If that is what eliminated the Flu, why didn't it eliminate Covid?
Duh, could it be that CV is MORE transmissible and MORE deadly than the flu? Also, since flu shots have been available for years and are NOT new tech like CV shots - maybe people are very comfortable getting flu shots.

[jimjamuser]

It's not a vaccine. It's "experimental " gene therapy that has killed hundreds and sickened thousands. All for what? A virus that 99% of people survive. Now who's crazy?
Who's crazy? Those who don't take the CV vaccine. This can be proven by the fact that the whole world is BEGGING for more US vaccinations. Who would I trust for my health advice? Most medical scientists and the whole world or you? It is not EVEN close!

[jimjamuser]

Um... Because I ask them why they refused the vaccine...

Then, I gently try to inform them, that especially for them, it could save their life...
That IS good that you recommend the vaccines.

[jimjamuser]

Daughter-in-law works as a registered nurse in a large hospital in Ohio. Works in a hospice area. Said almost every cause of death was listed as Covid, despite the fact that everyone of those people was already in hospice dying of something else? Bottom line, the number of covid deaths being put forth in this country is totally bogus. The real number is probably less than half of what we are being told!
Sorry, it is most likely UNDER REPORTED!

[jimjamuser]

Yes, and now we know from Dr. Fauci's e-mails that the Wuhan Institute Covid studies of Gain of Function (COVID transfer to humans) was funded by Fauci at the NIH. Fauci used over $7,000,000 of our taxpayer dollars to research transfer of COVID to humans. Now we know the first cases of COVID were research staff in the Wuhan Institute. Fauci received e-mail information about the gain of function from other US researchers but ignored it. Dr. Fauci has already admitted he lied about some of the aspects of COVID transmittal as well as the times he changed his advice about masking, being with others, travel etc.
Dr. Fauci is a national treasure!

[jimjamuser]

Talk with a nurse who worked in ICU at the villages hospital and now is not because of the lies that were told. This nurse said over 500 villagers died and this person know because they helped put these people in Body bags so virus was contained inside bag. The truth was never been told because they dont want villagers to panic.









I believe that CV was undercounted nationwide.

[JMintzer]

Living with results of even a mild case is a nightmare.

If you say so...

I had a mild case 16 months ago... Mild fever for 36 hrs... My wife had mild flu-like symptoms for a week. Besides her temporary slight loss of taste and smell (for about a week), no "nightmares" here...

[JMintzer]

At the Villages hospital? 500? Wow, was that due to the long waiting time in the Emergency Room?

https://media.tenor.com/images/37fbd4d8ee08bcae6c34e5e5939389f0/tenor.gif

[JMintzer]

Duh, could it be that CV is MORE transmissible and MORE deadly than the flu? Also, since flu shots have been available for years and are NOT new tech like CV shots - maybe people are very comfortable getting flu shots.

Well, I might agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong...

Gene Therapy is NOT "new tech"... It's been around for decades...

[JMintzer]

Sorry, it is most likely UNDER REPORTED!

Got any actual proof of that?

[JMintzer]

Dr. Fauci is a national treasure!

Sadly, he's done more to confuse the public about what do do than help...

[jimjamuser]

That actually took place in 1935, 20 years before Salk developed his vaccine. Needless to say, the results were not good and the distribution was suspended...

Even some of the production of Salk’s vaccine had issues: In April 1955 more than 200 000 children in five Western and mid-Western USA states received a polio vaccine in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective. Within days there were reports of paralysis and within a month the first mass vaccination programme against polio had to be abandoned. Subsequent investigations revealed that the vaccine, manufactured by the California-based family firm of Cutter Laboratories, had caused 40 000 cases of polio, leaving 200 children with varying degrees of paralysis and killing 10.

The big difference with polio is that it was indiscriminate, it effected the sick and the healthy & the old and the young alike. Anyone can potentially acquire Covid, but it doesn’t effect everyone equally. It effects the old, the obese and the unhealthy to a much greater degree than the balance of the population.
The idea of giving the vaccine to healthy children, is truly absurd. No one knows what the long term side effects can or will be. Why risk that when those children are statistically not at risk from Covid?!?
Because children are asymptomatic carriers of CV. To FULLY eradicate it, you have to vaccinate around 85% of the US. And therefore 85% of young children. Also, to start the school year, both parents and teachers need an 85% vaccination rate to give them peace of mind enough to send their children. The US needs educated children! Also, unvaccinated adults and children with CV who do NOT die are likely to come up with long-haul problems.

[JMintzer]

I believe that CV was undercounted nationwide.

Well, since we k now for a fact, that before an accurate test was developed, pretty much any flu-like death was attributed to covid...

And any death ( in hospice patients, who were sent to hospice to die comfortably), with a concurrent covid positive test was listed as a covid death...

And in certain areas, ANY death with a concurrent positive covid test (post mortem), even MVAs, were listed as covid deaths, I'll politely disagree...

Hell with that logic, George Floyd died of covid...

[JMintzer]

Who's crazy? Those who don't take the CV vaccine. This can be proven by the fact that the whole world is BEGGING for more US vaccinations. Who would I trust for my health advice? Most medical scientists and the whole world or you? It is not EVEN close!

Nice insult... I would never call someone who chooses not to take a vaccine "crazy".

One of my patients, a 90+ yo lady, in failing health, refused the vaccine. I asked her "Why?"

She responded that she'd been alive a very long time and when it was her time to go, it was her time to go... Hard to argue with that...

[jimjamuser]

I am sure the vaccines have had an impact. As I have stated before, the previous Covid viruses MERS & SARS weakened on their own. One lasted less than two years and the other outbreak lasted less than three years. There was no vaccine for either.

Many high risk individuals have died with Covid. A large number of the remaining high risk group have been vaccinated. At this point, roughly 1/2 of the US population has been vaccinated but Covid deaths are down at a considerably more than 50%.

I have always believed that if you are at risk, you should strongly consider getting vaccinated. However no one knows if there will be any long term side effects from the mRNA vaccines. So I still believe that personally, the potential risk outweighs the reward, considering I am not in the at risk group.
OK, good luck!

[stanley]

. The US needs educated children! Also, unvaccinated adults and children with CV who do NOT die are likely to come up with long-haul problems.

The US needs educated adults.......where do you get your information, proof, with that statement?

[Swoop]

Because children are asymptomatic carriers of CV. To FULLY eradicate it, you have to vaccinate around 85% of the US. And therefore 85% of young children. Also, to start the school year, both parents and teachers need an 85% vaccination rate to give them peace of mind enough to send their children. The US needs educated children! Also, unvaccinated adults and children with CV who do NOT die are likely to come up with long-haul problems.
Where do you get your information?!? According to the CDC the long haulers have been primarily from the high risk group.
You, in good conscience, would inject a child, who is not in danger from Covid, with a vaccine that no one knows what the long term side effects will be?!? That’s sick!

[Pat2015]

Who's crazy? Those who don't take the CV vaccine. This can be proven by the fact that the whole world is BEGGING for more US vaccinations. Who would I trust for my health advice? Most medical scientists and the whole world or you? It is not EVEN close!
Have you considered that the people who aren’t getting vaccinated feel that those who are getting vaccinated are the crazy ones? The vaccines haven’t been approved by the FDA; 2 were pulled back for awhile to further study the side effects; one seems to be an issue with blood clots in women under 50; and some younger people are having heart issues from the vaccines. Additionally it’s now been determined that there are a number of people who take immune suppressant drugs who’ve been vaccinated, yet they don’t carry the Covid antibodies just like an unvaccinated person unless they’ve had Covid. There is still a lot to learn about these vaccines relative to side effects and long term effects and efficiencies. So before calling people who feel differently than you, perhaps you should consider their position and their reasoning in saying no to vaccinations.

[Ben Franklin]

That actually took place in 1935, 20 years before Salk developed his vaccine. Needless to say, the results were not good and the distribution was suspended...

Even some of the production of Salk’s vaccine had issues: In April 1955 more than 200 000 children in five Western and mid-Western USA states received a polio vaccine in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective. Within days there were reports of paralysis and within a month the first mass vaccination programme against polio had to be abandoned. Subsequent investigations revealed that the vaccine, manufactured by the California-based family firm of Cutter Laboratories, had caused 40 000 cases of polio, leaving 200 children with varying degrees of paralysis and killing 10.

The big difference with polio is that it was indiscriminate, it effected the sick and the healthy & the old and the young alike. Anyone can potentially acquire Covid, but it doesn’t effect everyone equally. It effects the old, the obese and the unhealthy to a much greater degree than the balance of the population.
The idea of giving the vaccine to healthy children, is truly absurd. No one knows what the long term side effects can or will be. Why risk that when those children are statistically not at risk from Covid?!?

I don't know what they received in 1935. Salk's vaccine came in 1955. Cutter Labs created a defective batch of vaccine, thus the screw up belongs to them, not the vaccine.

My concern is we could see these unvaccinated people get the virus, keeping it alive and cause the virus to mutate, thus making our vaccines useless.

[Swoop]

I don't know what they received in 1935. Salk's vaccine came in 1955. Cutter Labs created a defective batch of vaccine, thus the screw up belongs to them, not the vaccine.

My concern is we could see these unvaccinated people get the virus, keeping it alive and cause the virus to mutate, thus making our vaccines useless.
Covid viruses have historically mutated, it’s true, you can look it up. That’s why SARS & MERS are no longer headline worthy viruses...

[JMintzer]

Because children are asymptomatic carriers of CV. To FULLY eradicate it, you have to vaccinate around 85% of the US. And therefore 85% of young children. Also, to start the school year, both parents and teachers need an 85% vaccination rate to give them peace of mind enough to send their children. The US needs educated children! Also, unvaccinated adults and children with CV who do NOT die are likely to come up with long-haul problems.

Except, we were initially told (by Fauci) that herd immunity sets in at a 70% vaccination of the population...

What "long-haul" problems are children "likely" to get?

[drducat]

Dr. Fauci is a national treasure!

Well.....turns out Fauci has lied to the public and Congress...looking like he is a huge goner....will be fired and most likely stand trial. So with all the out right lies I no longer can trust what is coming out of the NIH along with CDC and FDA.....look really hard at this...I hope and pray those that took the vaccine will Not see further harm in the future...really sad that Fauci turned out to be a criminal.

[oneclickplus]

Where have you been? This gene therapy has been worked on for over 15 years. They are able to use it now on most any type of vaccine which is a game changer in science. They have had entire documentaries interviewing the scientists that have been working on the gene therapy for decades.

They also have interviewed many people that were in the initial 30,000+ vaccine pipeline following their progress, NO! There was not hundreds killed and thousands sickened. There is zero proof to that statement.

Conspiracy theories are so unbecoming…. Btw, 1% of the USA population is 3.5 million people….that would be considered a devastating historical amount of death, by any historical data.

Yes, there were hundreds (now thousands) killed by the vaccines. From the Newsweek article linked below:

Our VAERS result showed 970 people died after being given a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine shot. Of those deaths, 495 occurred following a Moderna shot, and 475 occurred following a Pfizer shot.

Fact Check: Have 966 People Died After Receiving the COVID vaccine? (https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vaccine-deaths-cause-pfizer-moderna-fact-check-966-died-1574447)

[roscoguy]

Yes, there were hundreds (now thousands) killed by the vaccines. From the Newsweek article linked below:

Our VAERS result showed 970 people died after being given a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine shot. Of those deaths, 495 occurred following a Moderna shot, and 475 occurred following a Pfizer shot.

Fact Check: Have 966 People Died After Receiving the COVID vaccine? (https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vaccine-deaths-cause-pfizer-moderna-fact-check-966-died-1574447)

The linked article actually disputes, rather than supports, your conclusion that these deaths were from the vaccines. Quotes from the Newsweek article include:
"There are hundreds of reports of people having died after getting a COVID vaccine, but that does not necessarily mean the vaccine was the cause."
and
"However, it is false to say that COVID vaccines have caused 966 deaths, because the VAERS database is not designed to give this information. For example, in the dataset published by The Epoch Times, one of the people who died after getting a vaccine had also been injured in a car crash between getting the jab and the date of their death, but the case was still included in the dataset."

[oneclickplus]

Well, I might agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong...

Gene Therapy is NOT "new tech"... It's been around for decades...

But ... administering mRNA shots (not a vaccine) to humans is BRAND NEW. This is the first time. And, based on a very small pool of test subjects and very short time-frame of testing, this was given to hundreds of millions of people. My wife and I chose not to participate in this experiment.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I've had all the major vaccines growing up as have my kids. But mRNA is new and the results are not in yet.

From the article linked below:

The world’s first mRNA vaccine has begun its rollout after being produced at unprecedented speed as part of the global effort to end the Covid-19 pandemic. A second one is hot on its heels. The two – one made by Pfizer/BioNTech and the other by Moderna – mark the first time this vaccine technology has been approved for use.

Five things you need to know about: mRNA vaccine safety | Horizon: the EU Research & Innovation magazine | European Commission (https://horizon-magazine.eu/article/five-things-you-need-know-about-mrna-vaccine-safety.html)

[Bill14564]

But ... administering mRNA shots (not a vaccine) to humans is BRAND NEW. This is the first time. And, based on a very small pool of test subjects and very short time-frame of testing, this was given to hundreds of millions of people. My wife and I chose not to participate in this experiment.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I've had all the major vaccines growing up as have my kids. But mRNA is new and the results are not in yet.


...


If you are not an anti-vaxxer but just afraid of the mRNA vaccines, this site (https://www.vaccines.gov/search/?utm_source=getvaccineanswers.org&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=Ad%20Council%20COVID%20Collaborative) will help you find the Janssen vaccine in our local area. There seem to be several Publix stores with availability today.

[allsport]

The current stats say 30% of covid cases are long haulers which means you will be traveling around with oxygen. Sounds like a great plan.

[JMintzer]

Yes, there were hundreds (now thousands) killed by the vaccines. From the Newsweek article linked below:

Our VAERS result showed 970 people died after being given a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine shot. Of those deaths, 495 occurred following a Moderna shot, and 475 occurred following a Pfizer shot.

Fact Check: Have 966 People Died After Receiving the COVID vaccine? (https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vaccine-deaths-cause-pfizer-moderna-fact-check-966-died-1574447)

Did you even bother to read the article you linked?

It stated people died after getting the vaccine. Not FROM getting the vaccine...

[JMintzer]

The current stats say 30% of covid cases are long haulers which means you will be traveling around with oxygen. Sounds like a great plan.

Please cite a link to those numbers...

[JMintzer]

But ... administering mRNA shots (not a vaccine) to humans is BRAND NEW. This is the first time. And, based on a very small pool of test subjects and very short time-frame of testing, this was given to hundreds of millions of people.

Incorrect...

Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mRNA.html?s_cid=10506:how%20does%20mrna%20vaccine% 20work:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21)

[ndf888]

With the current seven day average of Covid coded deaths in the US, and based on the CDC numbers, the chances of dying with Covid are about equal to your chances of dying from a stroke. You have a greater chance of dying in an accident than dying with Covid. And you are 4X more likely to die from cancer and 4.5X more likely to die from heart disease.
Your likelihood of catching the virus and developing a symptomatic infection depends greatly on your age, exposure, health status, COVID incidence rate and variants in your community, and some other risks factors. It’s an evolving situation.

[Singerlady]

With the current seven day average of Covid coded deaths in the US, and based on the CDC numbers, the chances of dying with Covid are about equal to your chances of dying from a stroke. You have a greater chance of dying in an accident than dying with Covid. And you are 4X more likely to die from cancer and 4.5X more likely to die from heart disease.
…but we still do not know the long-term effects from getting Covid. That is the scary part. And, if you can avoid getting Covid, wouldn’t you want to?

[Swoop]

Incorrect...

Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mRNA.html?s_cid=10506:how%20does%20mrna%20vaccine% 20work:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21)

Actually that post was correct regarding long term effects of mRNA vaccines. Here is a quote from University of Pennsylvania medicine:

“The current evidence base on messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines is made up entirely of small early-stage trials, nearly all of which examined only short-term outcomes. They lack sufficient power for testing the statistical significance of most results, and for assessing the risk of serious but uncommon adverse events.”

You can read it in it’s entirety:
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/cep/COVID/mRNA%20vaccine%20review%20final.pdf

[Swoop]

…but we still do not know the long-term effects from getting Covid. That is the scary part. And, if you can avoid getting Covid, wouldn’t you want to?

…but we also don’t know the long-term effects from mRNA vaccines. That is the scary part. And if you can avoid getting the vaccine (because you’re not in the at risk group) wouldn’t you want to?

Works both ways, doesn’t it…

[Astron]

It's not a vaccine. It's "experimental " gene therapy that has killed hundreds and sickened thousands. All for what? A virus that 99% of people survive. Now who's crazy?
There is no “gene” in the vaccine, it is mRNA in the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines. There are other vaccines that that use viral vectors.
These vaccines are NOT experimental. Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines Explained | FDA (https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained)
If you want to avoid protecting yourself, and others, please take the time to read technical and scientific sources of information, not inaccurate opinions before making that decision.

[Joe C.]

Does anyone really care any more? Really? Looks like everyone is taking turns flogging a dead horse.

[Joe C.]

Does anyone really care anymore? Really? Looks like everyone is taking turns flogging a dead horse.

[Leadbone1]

You are naïve!

[Leadbone1]

I am extremely skeptical about this undocumented hearsay.

I personally know of six people who were very sick with Covid and know of four people who died. One who said things just like you are saying. He rode his bike around the neighborhood. He died within six days of getting sick.

I ask you and your daughter in law, what would be the reason for saying someone died of Covid when they did not. Do not say money. These people had relatives. Do you think I would let someone say my mother died of Covid when she had a malignant brain tumor? It just doesn't make sense. It is another conspiracy theory. People died of Covid. Hospitals didn't get more money if they died of Covid. That is pure foolishness and it makes me really mad.

The hospitals do get more money if Covid is listed as the cause of death. People that choose to remain paranoid or naïve are part of the problem!

[JMintzer]

I am extremely skeptical about this undocumented hearsay.

I personally know of six people who were very sick with Covid and know of four people who died. One who said things just like you are saying. He rode his bike around the neighborhood. He died within six days of getting sick.

I ask you and your daughter in law, what would be the reason for saying someone died of Covid when they did not. Do not say money. These people had relatives. Do you think I would let someone say my mother died of Covid when she had a malignant brain tumor? It just doesn't make sense. It is another conspiracy theory. People died of Covid. Hospitals didn't get more money if they died of Covid. That is pure foolishness and it makes me really mad.

Oh, dear, we certainly don't want to make you mad!

But, once again, you're mistaken...

Hospitals most certainly do get paid more with a Dx of Covid than they do with a Dx of Pneumonia...

I'm not blaming the docs for that. It's the administrators and the billing departments...

And you'll tell people your mother died of whatever they told you she died of...

[PugMom]

just an FYI: JASPER BECKER: No wonder so many experts say Covid DID leak from Wuhan research centre | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9655357/JASPER-BECKER-No-wonder-experts-say-Covid-DID-leak-Wuhan-research-centre.html?ito=video_player_click)

[Ben Franklin]

Well.....turns out Fauci has lied to the public and Congress...looking like he is a huge goner....will be fired and most likely stand trial. So with all the out right lies I no longer can trust what is coming out of the NIH along with CDC and FDA.....look really hard at this...I hope and pray those that took the vaccine will Not see further harm in the future...really sad that Fauci turned out to be a criminal.

Why is Fauci taking so much heat? My guess is as long as they can keep someone else on the Covid hot seat, it distracts from who is ultimately responsible for 612,000 needless American deaths and 34 million infections.

[JMintzer]

Why is Fauci taking so much heat? My guess is as long as they can keep someone else on the Covid hot seat, it distracts from who is ultimately responsible for 612,000 needless American deaths and 34 million infections.

Yes, the Lab in Wuhan, China...

[Swoop]

Why is Fauci taking so much heat? My guess is as long as they can keep someone else on the Covid hot seat, it distracts from who is ultimately responsible for 612,000 needless American deaths and 34 million infections.
Rather than guess, let’s look at actual facts as to why the US Covid deaths are as high as they are:

One, the US decided to code anyone who died, that tested positive for Covid, or was suspected to have died with Covid, as a Covid death.

Two, according to the CDC, obese people are 3X more likely to be hospitalized with Covid, and the US has the highest percentage of obese people of any major country.

Three, the US had a higher percentage of nursing home patients die with Covid than any other country in the world. While other countries did their best to protect their most vulnerable people, some states in the US insisted that those with Covid be placed in nursing homes.

Plenty of blame to go around…

[Becca9800]

I'm not blaming the docs for that. It's the administrators and the billing departments...


Wut??? Only physicians can make a medical diagnosis. Hospitals, and certainly billing staff, aren't listing a dx unless the doc says it's so in the medical record.

[jimjamuser]

Nice insult... I would never call someone who chooses not to take a vaccine "crazy".

One of my patients, a 90+ yo lady, in failing health, refused the vaccine. I asked her "Why?"

She responded that she'd been alive a very long time and when it was her time to go, it was her time to go... Hard to argue with that...
In statistics that would be an N of 1. Meaning it is COMPLETELY meaningless (and if you really are a Doctor or maybe your patients are dogs and cats) then you would KNOW statistics - and would NOT have wasted your time by typing and GLORIFYING one person that refused a vaccination. NOW........that is a REAL insult! And I have the imagination to come up with many more!

[jimjamuser]

Where do you get your information?!? According to the CDC the long haulers have been primarily from the high risk group.
You, in good conscience, would inject a child, who is not in danger from Covid, with a vaccine that no one knows what the long term side effects will be?!? That’s sick!
Sorry sick is the UNPATRIOTIC selling of the idea of people avoiding their CV shot - that the world is begging for - and 99% of MEDICAL SCIENTISTS are in favor of. SICK is selling an idea that V. Putin loves as it will make America weak. SICK is twisting my post, which was about unvaccinated adults AND children - then pretending that it was ONLY about children because that suits your twisted sister slant on weakening America and linking up with a Dictatorship.

note..... there is a new virus variant called Delta that is STRONG in India and IS already in Britain. Britain is going to go back toward quarantines And SICK is going to be the US if Delta hits here and people like yourself RESIST pushing for MORE vaccinations, NOT less - and more MASKING, and social DISTANCE. I FEEL healthy unvaccinated people in the US are unpatriotic, unAmerican, and I DISLIKE them intensely.

[Love2Swim]

Yes and Fauci funded the lab and then is lying about it to the public and congress..

:1rotfl:

[Love2Swim]

Sorry sick is the UNPATRIOTIC selling of the idea of people avoiding their CV shot - that the world is begging for - and 99% of MEDICAL SCIENTISTS are in favor of. SICK is selling an idea that V. Putin loves as it will make America weak. SICK is twisting my post, which was about unvaccinated adults AND children - then pretending that it was ONLY about children because that suits your twisted sister slant on weakening America and linking up with a Dictatorship.

note..... there is a new virus variant called Delta that is STRONG in India and IS already in Britain. Britain is going to go back toward guarantees. And SICK is going to be the US if Delta hits here and people like yourself RESIST pushing for MORE vaccinations, NOT less - and more MASKING, and social DISTANCE. i FEEL healthy unvaccinated people in the US are unpartiotic, unAmerican, and I DISLIKE them intensely.

There are probably some people who rightly don't get get a vaccine, say for example cancer patients or people with lowered immune systems. But I do agree that people who are candidates for the vaccine and selfishly refuse to get vaccinated, are making our country less safe, and are endangering others who might happen to be high risk. And I am really angered by them. You have the right to do what you want to your own body, but you don't have the right to endanger others.

[Aloha1]

Dr. Fauci is a national treasure!

Do you not keep up with the latest news??. Are you not aware of the emails documenting his approving funds that ended up in Wuhan? Are you not aware that Fauci himself a YEAR ago, said to an international group that a lab leak was probable and then denied he ever said it but we have witnesses to it including the FDA Head under Obama? Are you not aware that the latest genetic sequencing of the virus has found a marker that could only have come from human manipulation as the odds of it occurring in nature are 1 in over a trillion?? And that Fauci publicly called any suggestion of this being not natural a conspiracy theory?? Wake up. Fauci is a liar and deceiver.

[Aloha1]

Well.....turns out Fauci has lied to the public and Congress...looking like he is a huge goner....will be fired and most likely stand trial. So with all the out right lies I no longer can trust what is coming out of the NIH along with CDC and FDA.....look really hard at this...I hope and pray those that took the vaccine will Not see further harm in the future...really sad that Fauci turned out to be a criminal.

Despite his self promoting, Fauci had NOTHING to do with the vaccine development. That was PRIVATE industry one given a free hand by our President.

[jimjamuser]

Covid viruses have historically mutated, it’s true, you can look it up. That’s why SARS & MERS are no longer headline worthy viruses...
All the more reason to protect America and GET vaccinated!

[jimjamuser]

Except, we were initially told (by Fauci) that herd immunity sets in at a 70% vaccination of the population...

What "long-haul" problems are children "likely" to get?
There is now MEDICAL EVIDENCE that asymptomatic CV-infected children have holes in their lungs and enlarged heart. And if you REALLY were a medical professional, then you would KNOW this! Those could stay with the children for the rest of their lives. And the people that preach the anti-vaxx nonsense have ALREADY infected and possibly killed adults and children by convincing other people to NOT get their CV shots. Infection and death are irreversible. So think about what side you (everyone) are on. There are 2 sides - 1) for humans and society or 2) for propaganda and conspiracy theories. You decide!

[jimjamuser]

Do you not keep up with the latest news??. Are you not aware of the emails documenting his approving funds that ended up in Wuhan? Are you not aware that Fauci himself a YEAR ago, said to an international group that a lab leak was probable and then denied he ever said it but we have witnesses to it including the FDA Head under Obama? Are you not aware that the latest genetic sequencing of the virus has found a marker that could only have come from human manipulation as the odds of it occurring in nature are 1 in over a trillion?? And that Fauci publicly called any suggestion of this being not natural a conspiracy theory?? Wake up. Fauci is a liar and deceiver.
Dr. Fauci ACTUALLY said that there are 2 theories as to the origins of the CV. One is natural - jumping from animals to humans and the other is that it was a lab leak. Right now he is leaning towards the former, but more evidence may come out. The NIH DID send funds to China as part of WHO funds. At the time it was for LEGITIMATE research! The idea was to "soup up" the virus in order to make a better vaccine. Today about 50% of Scientists think that it WAS a BAD idea. But, that is hindsight. DR. Fauci did NOT control the WHO. he is merely ONE very respected Scientist that has been moved to the wrong side of recent History by propaganda theorists. Because Dr. Fauci would NOT kiss the ring!

[Garywt]

With the current seven day average of Covid coded deaths in the US, and based on the CDC numbers, the chances of dying with Covid are about equal to your chances of dying from a stroke. You have a greater chance of dying in an accident than dying with Covid. And you are 4X more likely to die from cancer and 4.5X more likely to die from heart disease.
Isn’t it wonderful that the precautions that were taken truly worked to keep the numbers down. With the way things started with people stacked in the streets to the lower numbers today everything is working that was put in place for us. Also as another benefit is the flu numbers were extremely low this year.

[Garywt]

As a cancer patient and stem cell transplant patient I had the vaccine in February. Because of my weakened immune system he wanted all his patients to get it as if we got Covid we could be in real trouble. Did not really matter what I thought about it, doctor said go and I went, no questions asked.

[Villageswimmer]

The CDC website has the number of excess deaths. This is the number of deaths above what would normally be expected. Since COVID-19 was the extraordinary event of 2020, a high percentage of the excess deaths can be attributed either directly or indirectly to COVID-19. Some estimates have 80% of the excess deaths due to COVID-19. The reason to look at excess deaths is because the cause of each death, as reported on a death certificate, doesn't matter to the number.


Bingo! This is the scientific approach to evaluating the data. Notice how subsequent posts ignore this logic.

[Ben Franklin]

And a great part of why would be Fauci's waffling response to it after the President appointed him to lead the charge. Small wonder why he got back staged as the months rolled by.

But the ultimate perpetrator is certainly the CCP which the current President seems to have a reluctance to criticize. Ever wonder why?

No, I don't, but I'm sure you'll give me some opinion, and present it as fact.

I find it funny that people have an aversion to this vaccine, when they take FDA approved drugs, that kill thousands every year. Vioxx, alone, killed over 60,000 people. Over 8,000 approved drugs have been taken off the market. 328,000 patients in the U.S. and Europe die from prescription drugs each year. And let's not forget Opioids.

[Swoop]

No, I don't, but I'm sure you'll give me some opinion, and present it as fact.

I find it funny that people have an aversion to this vaccine, when they take FDA approved drugs, that kill thousands every year. Vioxx, alone, killed over 60,000 people. Over 8,000 approved drugs have been taken off the market. 328,000 patients in the U.S. and Europe die from prescription drugs each year. And let's not forget Opioids.

In my case, it’s because nobody - nobody - nobody, knows what the long term effects of mRNA vaccines are. There have been NO trials where the long term effects have been studied.

[JMintzer]

I JUST don't believe that!

There is factual proof to everything I've said in this post...

But sure, YOU just don't believe it...

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[JMintzer]

In statistics that would be an N of 1. Meaning it is COMPLETELY meaningless (and if you really are a Doctor or maybe your patients are dogs and cats) then you would KNOW statistics - and would NOT have wasted your time by typing and GLORIFYING one person that refused a vaccination. NOW........that is a REAL insult! And I have the imagination to come up with many more!

Glorifying? I gave an example... I have dozens more. Mostly because they don't trust the vaccine... Which the current administration has admitted is a real problem...

And nice insult...

Do I show up at your job and criticize how you make the fries?

[jimjamuser]

Isn’t it wonderful that the precautions that were taken truly worked to keep the numbers down. With the way things started with people stacked in the streets to the lower numbers today everything is working that was put in place for us. Also as another benefit is the flu numbers were extremely low this year.
That IS great HAPPY TALK and would be even greater if it held up to comparisons with other countries. The US would have about ONLY 300,000 deaths if it had reacted better early on in the pandemic. England got started later than the US but has ONLY about 20% of the DEATHS as the US on an equal population comparison. Australia was WAY better than the US early on and still has fewer deaths on a per capita basis. Finland has something like 15 total CV deaths today and all the Scandinavian countries are better than the US - even Sweden after a terrible "herd immunity " trial has become better than the US.
Part of the reason that most of the world has done better is that they have Universal Health Care. They also have societies that do NOT link public health with political issues - like US Evangelicals and males particularly do NOT accept vaccines. Now it IS TRUE that France, Germany, and Italy are hurting from CV today - much of Europe made mistakes in PURCHASING vaccines. For example, Greece has only about 13% of its people vaccinated.

[stanley]

There is now MEDICAL EVIDENCE that asymptomatic CV-infected children have holes in their lungs and enlarged heart.

Where is the proof? You spew all your "knowledge" and never give proof. I asked in a previous post "where's the beef" and still never got proof.

[JMintzer]

No, I don't, but I'm sure you'll give me some opinion, and present it as fact.

I find it funny that people have an aversion to this vaccine, when they take FDA approved drugs, that kill thousands every year. Vioxx, alone, killed over 60,000 people. Over 8,000 approved drugs have been taken off the market. 328,000 patients in the U.S. and Europe die from prescription drugs each year. And let's not forget Opioids.

You neglected to include the "may have" and "estimated" in your rant about Vioxx...

Color me not surprised...

[Becca9800]

Keep telling yourself that...
Sooo... educate me. Please elaborate on how hospital administrators and billing clerks make medical diagnoses that CMS will reimburse for.