Good for you, Royal Carribean!

[shut the front door]

Desantis for the win!
Royal Caribbean Makes Vaccines Optional for Passengers on Most Cruises | Travel + Leisure (https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/royal-caribbean-makes-vaccines-voluntary-passengers)

Guess what, you don't like it? Don't go. They will be FULL.
If you got the vax, stop telling me to get one. If you believe in it and you got it, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS who else got it. On the other hand, if you don't really believe in it, and got it, keep clutching your pearls.

[rustyp]

Desantis for the win!
Royal Caribbean Makes Vaccines Optional for Passengers on Most Cruises | Travel + Leisure (https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/royal-caribbean-makes-vaccines-voluntary-passengers)

Guess what, you don't like it? Don't go. They will be FULL.
If you got the vax, stop telling me to get one. If you believe in it and you got it, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS who else got it. On the other hand, if you don't really believe in it, and got it, keep clutching your pearls.

And now for the rest of the story. An exception to the new policy is those boarding a ship to Alaska where the cruise line will still require guests 16 and older to be vaccinated, and 12 and older starting Aug. 1.story

And why is that - because RC is not the decision maker. Just this morning I posted a news item that Canada will require proof of vaccination for entry probably starting June 21st. Most of those cruises to Alaska stop at Vancouver. If you like hitting your head on a brick wall then you should be elated.

[Joe V.]

And now for the rest of the story. An exception to the new policy is those boarding a ship to Alaska where the cruise line will still require guests 16 and older to be vaccinated, and 12 and older starting Aug. 1.story

And why is that - because RC is not the decision maker. Just this morning I posted a news item that Canada will require proof of vaccination for entry probably starting June 21st. Most of those cruises to Alaska stop at Vancouver. If you like hitting your head on a brick wall then you should be elated.

RCCL has no Alaska cruises starting from a FL port. These ports are the ones DeSantis has influence over. Not Vancouver, Canada.

[rustyp]

RCCL has no Alaska cruises starting from a FL port.

And ? Nobody from Florida takes a cruise to Alaska ? Get on a plane - oh wait the vaccination rules have not been ironed out about that also especially international travel (which does include Canada). Looks to me your cruise universe without vaccination will be pretty small - at least to begin with. Cool a couple $ grand to leave a Florida port and stop at Royal Caribbean's make believe island.

[Joe V.]

And ? Nobody from Florida takes a cruise to Alaska ? Get on a plane - oh wait the vaccination rules have not been ironed out about that also especially international travel (which does include Canada).

The concern is about FL ports of embarkation. You can deflect on other ports which FL gov't. has no jurisdiction over if you feel better. You play games.

[rustyp]

The concern is about FL ports of embarkation. You can deflect on other ports which FL gov't. has no jurisdiction over if you feel better. You play games.

I did edit my original post to express my thoughts on why this is a "game" as you stated. It is not under Florida control at all. The ship has to meet the requirements of each country it will port in - including the crew. That will be a small universe to begin with. Now I can understand the reluctance of the younger people to get vaccinated but at our age why would you deny yourself from things on your bucket list ? How long do you have left ? This is going to take a long while to iron itself out rule wise worldwide. The vaccinated will be the preference children.

[Joe V.]

I did edit my original post to express my thoughts on why this is a "game" as you stated. It is not under Florida control at all. The ship has to meet the requirements of each country it will port in - including the crew. That's will be a small universe to begin with. Now I can understand the reluctance of the younger people to get vaccinated but at our age why would you deny yourself from things on your bucket list ? How long do you have left ? This is going to take a long while to iron itself out rule wise worldwide. The vaccinated will be the preference children.

I never said I was not vaccinated. I am against vaccine passports.

[rustyp]

I never said I was not vaccinated. I am against vaccine passports.

And I understand. I am not disagreeing with you. Vaccine passports required by our own country is what many are considering against our civil liberties. However that is only good here in our little piece of the planet. Other countries have the right to make their own exit and entrance rules. I happen to have lived and still have a seasonal home on a border town. Most citizens here in the USA think we make the rules. Think again. I've watched people lose their boats for dropping an anchor a few feet over "boarder" while fishing.

[CosmicTrucker]

You are not fully informed as to what’s going on with cruising to Alaska. The government has granted a temporary exemption to the ship lines till next year so they can bypass a foreign port in order to sail from a US port (Washington) directly to Alaska




And I understand. I am not disagreeing with you. Vaccine passports required by our own country is what many are considering against our civil liberties. However that is only good here in our little piece of the planet. Other countries have the right to make their own exit and entrance rules. I happen to have lived and still have a seasonal home on a border town. Most citizens here in the USA think we make the rules. Think again. I've watched people lose their boats for dropping an anchor a few feet over "boarder" while fishing.

[Rwirish]

DeSantis has done a great job managing the vaccine. Unfortunately he missed “the boat” regarding vaccine passports.

[Pillowtalk]

NCL is fighting DeSantis in court on this. I have two cruises booked for 2022. Carnival and NCL. I will not be going on Royal Caribbean until they require proof of vaccination of everyone on the ship.
Why would anyone want to get on a ship with people who don’t care about the safety of everyone, just themselves?
I don’t think it will be good for Florida tourism to tell the world we don’t care about anybody but ourselves. The majority of the people have taken the vaccine, wore their masks in respect for others, followed the CCD guidelines, and stayed home for over a year.
It’s our time to enjoy, so maybe it’s time for the majority of us get to enjoy ourselves in a safe environment. Like you said if you don’t want to get on the ship, don’t go.

[Eg_cruz]

Desantis for the win!
Royal Caribbean Makes Vaccines Optional for Passengers on Most Cruises | Travel + Leisure (https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/royal-caribbean-makes-vaccines-voluntary-passengers)

Guess what, you don't like it? Don't go. They will be FULL.
If you got the vax, stop telling me to get one. If you believe in it and you got it, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS who else got it. On the other hand, if you don't really believe in it, and got it, keep clutching your pearls.
You vaxxers crack me up. You jump through those hoops. I man made virus funded by the number one job nut telling us how to handle this virus and then encourages everyone to get vaccinated. I wonder who’s pocket this getting lined…..Life is easy walking around with your eyes closed…….

[matandch]

Hooray for Governor DeathSantis! Live Free and Die!

[collegeref]

We now know via Fauci masks are “phoney baloney”. Dance at City Fire/Squares or dance on a deck or ball room. Same risk. Recruit people who wear mask during a video conference with people thousands of miles away ������

[Two Bills]

DeSantis has done a great job managing the vaccine. Unfortunately he missed “the boat” regarding vaccine passports.

How opinions change.
In the early days of the local vacine rollout chaos, the Govenor couldn't find a friend, but now that private enterprise has solved the supply and administration problems, he is hailed as a savior.
Funny old world!

[Pat2015]

NCL is fighting DeSantis in court on this. I have two cruises booked for 2022. Carnival and NCL. I will not be going on Royal Caribbean until they require proof of vaccination of everyone on the ship.
Why would anyone want to get on a ship with people who don’t care about the safety of everyone, just themselves?
I don’t think it will be good for Florida tourism to tell the world we don’t care about anybody but ourselves. The majority of the people have taken the vaccine, wore their masks in respect for others, followed the CCD guidelines, and stayed home for over a year.
It’s our time to enjoy, so maybe it’s time for the majority of us get to enjoy ourselves in a safe environment. Like you said if you don’t want to get on the ship, don’t go.

If vaccinations work and you’re vaccinated why the concern? Also, I don’t know anyone that has stayed home for a year. People that I know here in TV have been out playing golf, and engaging in many other activities over the past year and wore their mask where required. Lastly, the people who haven’t gotten vaccinated have either been told by their doctors not to do that, or they feel it’s not safe since it hasn’t been approved by the FDA and they don’t want to participate in the ongoing clinical study where side effects and vaccine efficiencies are still being studied.

[Girlcopper]

I never said I was not vaccinated. I am against vaccine passports.
Why? Because it violates your rights? Well, then stay home and I can exercise my right to stay healthy. Are children required to have certain vaccinations before they can attend school? YES. So unless you want to watch home videos of cruises instead of going on one just like unvaccinated children have to be home schooled......thats your right.

[Bridget Staunton]

DeSantis has always done an outstanding job for FL. Also neighbors need to be kind to each other, sometimes the rhetoric gets too much for others. Take a deep breadth before you post

[kenoc7]

Desantis for the win!
Royal Caribbean Makes Vaccines Optional for Passengers on Most Cruises | Travel + Leisure (https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/royal-caribbean-makes-vaccines-voluntary-passengers)

Guess what, you don't like it? Don't go. They will be FULL.
If you got the vax, stop telling me to get one. If you believe in it and you got it, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS who else got it. On the other hand, if you don't really believe in it, and got it, keep clutching your pearls.
A terrible action by DeathSantis and even worse by Royal Caribbean capitulation.

[Debbraham]

Spoke to celebrity yesterday…they will probably have the same rule. However if someone does end up testing positive then they will be moved to a lower deck cabin and quarantined. If it appears to be spreading then they will cancel the cruise and return to the port…proof this past weekend at the golf tournament that if you test negative one day you can still be positive two days later. Will be so upset if this happens and the cruise industry gets shut down again…can’t understand why a private industry can’t have their own rules…they require a regular passport, won’t let you bring your own alcohol…why not a rule that is for the protection of not only people on the cruise but at the ports it is making stops at…where unvaccinated people can more easily pick up covid. Why do some people have the right to endanger the health of others by insisting to do activities that are deemed by the CDC are not to be safe….the vaccine offers 80% protection but not 100%. Just wondering if you will wear a mask on the ship if you are not vaccinated to protect other non vaccinated people?

[tuccillo]

That is simply not true. If you are fully vaccinated, the probability of contracting the virus is extremely small. The breakthrough rate for the fully vaccinated was about 0.01% according to the CDC (they are no longer tracking it) and the chances of a breakthrough that causes hospitalization or death (what the CDC is now tracking) is about an order of magnitude lower.

the vaccine offers 80% protection but not 100%.

[JMintzer]

Why? Because it violates your rights? Well, then stay home and I can exercise my right to stay healthy. Are children required to have certain vaccinations before they can attend school? YES. So unless you want to watch home videos of cruises instead of going on one just like unvaccinated children have to be home schooled......thats your right.

"Rights"

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[JMintzer]

Spoke to celebrity yesterday…they will probably have the same rule. However if someone does end up testing positive then they will be moved to a lower deck cabin and quarantined. If it appears to be spreading then they will cancel the cruise and return to the port…proof this past weekend at the golf tournament that if you test negative one day you can still be positive two days later. Will be so upset if this happens and the cruise industry gets shut down again…can’t understand why a private industry can’t have their own rules…they require a regular passport, won’t let you bring your own alcohol…why not a rule that is for the protection of not only people on the cruise but at the ports it is making stops at…where unvaccinated people can more easily pick up covid. Why do some people have the right to endanger the health of others by insisting to do activities that are deemed by the CDC are not to be safe….the vaccine offers 80% protection but not 100%. Just wondering if you will wear a mask on the ship if you are not vaccinated to protect other non vaccinated people?

Now it's dropped to 80%?

I must have missed that memo...

[44Apple]

I never said I was not vaccinated. I am against vaccine passports.


And I'm against driving licenses.

[Jerseyborn]

Desantis for the win!
Royal Caribbean Makes Vaccines Optional for Passengers on Most Cruises | Travel + Leisure (https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/royal-caribbean-makes-vaccines-voluntary-passengers)

Guess what, you don't like it? Don't go. They will be FULL.
If you got the vax, stop telling me to get one. If you believe in it and you got it, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS who else got it. On the other hand, if you don't really believe in it, and got it, keep clutching your pearls.

I think the point being missed is: vaccinated or not- if some tests positive while on a cruise the entire ship will go on quarantine lockdown. Not my idea of a vacation.

[Adagio43]

Desantis for the win!
Royal Caribbean Makes Vaccines Optional for Passengers on Most Cruises | Travel + Leisure (https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/royal-caribbean-makes-vaccines-voluntary-passengers)

Guess what, you don't like it? Don't go. They will be FULL.
If you got the vax, stop telling me to get one. If you believe in it and you got it, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS who else got it. On the other hand, if you don't really believe in it, and got it, keep clutching your pearls.

Let’s see, we jam a large number of people, some vaccinated, some not, into a relatively small space for a couple of weeks supervised by organizations with a proven track record of turning a common cold into a health crisis: What could go wrong?

Enjoy!

[CFrance]

Hooray for Governor DeathSantis! Live Free and Die!
I see what you did there.:icon_wink:

[OETTING]

DeSantis has done a great job managing the vaccine. Unfortunately he missed “the boat” regarding vaccine passports.
What exactly has DeSantis done to deserve a “great job “with vaccinations? We’re still below the national average.

[camaguey48]

I see what you did there.:icon_wink:
Cute, but wrong.

[JMintzer]

What exactly has DeSantis done to deserve a “great job “with vaccinations? We’re still below the national average.

He made sure that the most vulnerable were vaccinated first...

Unlike a certain NY Governor...

[Bill14564]

What exactly has DeSantis done to deserve a “great job “with vaccinations? We’re still below the national average.

There is a "you can lead a horse to water" aspect of the vaccinations today. They are readily available but there isn't much the governor can do to get people to take them.

However, early on in the vaccination effort Florida did well, at least for people my age. By prioritizing the vaccines by age and pushing the distribution Florida was able to get vaccines to the 55+ group weeks before many other states. I believe we even opened up to 18+ before most states as well.

Getting vaccines into the state, distributing them to vaccination locations, and setting the prioritization worked well here.

[Bonnevie]

80% of potential cruise passengers favor vaccination requirements. cruise ships are floating petrie dishes in the best of times (norovirus anyone?). DeSantis is doing this to appeal to the former guy's base because of his political ambitions. waiting patiently for the day the former guy turns on him, too.

[roscoguy]

That is simply not true. If you are fully vaccinated, the probability of contracting the virus is extremely small. The breakthrough rate for the fully vaccinated was about 0.01% according to the CDC (they are no longer tracking it) and the chances of a breakthrough that causes hospitalization or death (what the CDC is now tracking) is about an order of magnitude lower.

That doesn't seem to be the latest news from the CDC. According to the June 7 release about a new study, "Once fully vaccinated, participants’ risk of infection was reduced by 91 percent. After partial vaccination, participants’ risk of infection was reduced by 81 percent. These estimates included symptomatic and asymptomatic infections."
Read more here: CDC COVID-19 Study Shows mRNA Vaccines Reduce Risk of Infection by 91 Percent for Fully Vaccinated People | CDC Online Newsroom | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html)

[pyg122250@gmail.com]

Per agent video from Celebrity’s CEO All non vaccinated people will be tested several times throughout the cruise at their own experience. That could be costly

[Cheiro]

Desantis for the win!
Royal Caribbean Makes Vaccines Optional for Passengers on Most Cruises | Travel + Leisure (https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/royal-caribbean-makes-vaccines-voluntary-passengers)

Guess what, you don't like it? Don't go. They will be FULL.
If you got the vax, stop telling me to get one. If you believe in it and you got it, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS who else got it. On the other hand, if you don't really believe in it, and got it, keep clutching your pearls.

Au contraire, it is everyone's business. Spreading the disease, particularly the variants, is the concern of everyone. Have we forgotten how many times in the past diseases have spread aboard cruise ships, especially this one when it started. Disease is not political, it is just opportunistic and it is criminal for those who allow it to exploit its opportunities.

[baramu]

It is everyone’s business. You are a menace to society.

[Jokomo]

He made sure that the most vulnerable were vaccinated first...

Unlike a certain NY Governor...

That’s simply not true. DeSantis made the vaccine available to his rich and powerful supporters before it became generally available in lower income areas. Short memories when it’s convenient to support another big lie.

[emb2458]

Will be so glad when we can get rid of that jerk. One infected person can ruin a vacation for everyone else on a cruise.

[Frame44]

How opinions change.
In the early days of the local vacine rollout chaos, the Govenor couldn't find a friend, but now that private enterprise has solved the supply and administration problems, he is hailed as a savior.
Funny old world!

It can be very lonely when sticking to ones convictions. (Freedom and Liberty case in point) I only wish my home state of Texas Gov dared to be so BOLD. I have admired Gov Desantis’ decisions from afar since the beginning. Glad to be here in FL as my home away from home.🌺

[rustyp]

Desantis for the win!
Royal Caribbean Makes Vaccines Optional for Passengers on Most Cruises | Travel + Leisure (https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/royal-caribbean-makes-vaccines-voluntary-passengers)

Guess what, you don't like it? Don't go. They will be FULL.
If you got the vax, stop telling me to get one. If you believe in it and you got it, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS who else got it. On the other hand, if you don't really believe in it, and got it, keep clutching your pearls.

Upon further investigation it appears this is a Desantis power play. If you watch this video by Royal Caribbean's CEO Royal Caribbean Group CEO explains thoughts on vaccines for cruise ships this summer - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWOKinc3-L4) it appears RC is being held hostage to Desantis since the overwhelming number of their US ports are in Florida. The CEO elaborates on his desire of wanting all passengers vaccinated but is forced to play by "the law of the land" that Desantis just instituted. The CEO also elaborates that there will be special testing for non vaccinated plus additional on board restrictions for the non vaxers yet to be established.

[dankipp]

I’m booked to go on two NCL music cruises next year - both out of Miami. I just hope we don’t have Covid-19 outbreaks that disrupt the cruises. And I want to be rid of social distancing, and masks. If all, or nearly all, the passengers and crew are vaccinated, I expect “smooth sailing.”
(The cruises are “Outlaw Country” and “Cayamo.” Great music!)

[cherylncliff]

Desantis for the win!
Royal Caribbean Makes Vaccines Optional for Passengers on Most Cruises | Travel + Leisure (https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/royal-caribbean-makes-vaccines-voluntary-passengers)

Guess what, you don't like it? Don't go. They will be FULL.
If you got the vax, stop telling me to get one. If you believe in it and you got it, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS who else got it. On the other hand, if you don't really believe in it, and got it, keep clutching your pearls.

So when you pull into almost any port they will be requiring some proof of vaccination. I guess you can always stay on the ship. If the passengers come down with Covid, do you suppose DeSantis will let them off the ship into Florida ports?

[skyking]

I'm not concerned about getting the virus from the antivaxers. I'm concerned about them developing the virus while on board and everyone is then confined to their stateroom for two weeks.

No thanks.

[merrymini]

Your chances of dying are great indeed, since I know of no exceptions.
Your chances of dying of heart failure, cancer etc are much higher than the virus.
You can still catch the virus, even if vaccinated.
They stopped keeping track of vaccinated people who catch the virus because they do not want to know.
This vaccine has not be fully vetted, unlike many other vaccines that are required.
People give up their rights quickly, like a great many people posting here.
As to people who wish to order me about, you can go you know where.
Go DeSantis!

[billethkid]

Upon further investigation it appears this is a Desantis power play. If you watch this video by Royal Caribbean's CEO Royal Caribbean Group CEO explains thoughts on vaccines for cruise ships this summer - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWOKinc3-L4) it appears RC is being held hostage to Desantis since the overwhelming number of their US ports are in Florida. The CEO elaborates on his desire of wanting all passengers vaccinated but is forced to play by "the law of the land" that Desantis just instituted. The CEO also elaborates that there will be special testing for non vaccinated plus additional on board restrictions for the non vaxers yet to be established.

And how is it they will know who they are?
For many years, there have been requirements/restrictions by various countries for shots and vaccinations before being allowed to enter or even travel there.....with no howling of rights violations.

[OETTING]

He made sure that the most vulnerable were vaccinated first...

Unlike a certain NY Governor...

NY: 49% fully vaccinated, 57% partially.
FL: 40% fully vaccinated, 50% partially.

Neither deserves strong marks!

[cbmerl]

Hooray for Governor DeathSantis! Live Free and Die!

What does that mean...."DeathSantis"?

[Ray Greene]

Hooray fir COVID it wins

[Neils]

And I understand. I am not disagreeing with you. Vaccine passports required by our own country is what many are considering against our civil liberties. However that is only good here in our little piece of the planet. Other countries have the right to make their own exit and entrance rules. I happen to have lived and still have a seasonal home on a border town. Most citizens here in the USA think we make the rules. Think again. I've watched people lose their boats for dropping an anchor a few feet over "boarder" while fishing.

Do you ever watch or read the news? The USA has NO borders anymore. No need for passports of any kind

[Neils]

How opinions change.
In the early days of the local vacine rollout chaos, the Govenor couldn't find a friend, but now that private enterprise has solved the supply and administration problems, he is hailed as a savior.
Funny old world!

Both my wife and I, plus most of our friends got out 1st vaccine shot in mid-january. No chaos involved. Just good leadership.

No need for free beer or tax paid lottery millions. Those with no desire to get the vaccine should not be bribed with taxpayers money.

[collie1228]

Not true! We U.S. Citizens are required to have passports. Illegals pouring over the Southern border don't require them.

[MandoMan]

Desantis for the win!
Royal Caribbean Makes Vaccines Optional for Passengers on Most Cruises | Travel + Leisure (https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/royal-caribbean-makes-vaccines-voluntary-passengers)

Guess what, you don't like it? Don't go. They will be FULL.
If you got the vax, stop telling me to get one. If you believe in it and you got it, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS who else got it. On the other hand, if you don't really believe in it, and got it, keep clutching your pearls.

Well, looks like I will be canceling my reservations for a Bluegrass Cruise on Royal Caribbean next January. I have until the first of October to do that, so perhaps I will wait to see what happens.

When I was hired as a professor at a state university in Pennsylvania in 1986, faculty were allowed to smoke in their offices and in the classrooms. Students were allowed to smoke in the hallways but not in the classrooms. Many ashtrays were provided. A few years later, students weren’t allowed to smoke in the building at all, but they could smoke in their dorm rooms, and teachers could still smoke in their offices, though no longer in the classroom. Then, around 1990, I think, not even teachers could smoke in their offices. No smoking in the building at all. A “freedom” to exercise a personal health choice was removed. I thought the teachers who smoked would go on strike or something. After all, all of our union leaders smoked. But they didn’t strike. They lived with it. By the time I retired last year, only a few teachers smoked, and they had one little area outside where they could do that. Students couldn’t smoke in their rooms. I’ve never smoked a cigarette in my life, but I’m interested in how the “freedom” to smoke came to be considered less important than the “freedom” to not have to breath second hand smoke. How did non-smokers end up having more power so quickly, and without bloodshed? Are “freedoms” rather flexible and slippery?

I moved to Rwanda to work in 1974. To enter (and also to deplane in Nairobi to switch planes), I had to have not only my U.S. Passport but my yellow international Vaccination Passport. When I moved to Beijing to work in 1983, again I was not allowed in without that Vaccination Passport. I always kept it with my U.S. Passport. I still have it, though I haven’t kept it up to date. Anyone who used to work in Africa or Asia in past decades knows what I’m talking about. Needing an international Vaccination Passport for foreign travel is nothing new. Is that more of an abuse of our freedoms than needing a U.S. Passport for foreign travel? Is it more of an abuse of our freedoms than going through a security line at the airport and having our bags x-rayed and perhaps being frisked?

[zendog3]

Will be so glad when we can get rid of that jerk. One infected person can ruin a vacation for everyone else on a cruise.
Right. Say you go on a 14 day cruise in the Caribbean from Miami. Two days out, someone comes down with covid. What island will let 1000 people from a pestilence ship come ashore. When you get back to Miami, every unvaccinated person will spend the next 14 days in isolation. Will the state of Florida pay the refunds to all those thousands of people who had their vacation spoiled.

[dtennent]

I was on board the Westerdam (Holland America) sailing around the Pacific Oceam in February, 2020 where the ship was not allowed to come into any ports even though there were no cases of COVID on the ship. Eventually Cambodia allowed us to come into port. I can only imagine the uproar on a ship that would occur if COVID broke out among the unvaccinated. Ports would probably refuse entry and the ship would have to find someplace to allow passengers to disembark. Given that DiSantis refused entry of a cruise ship last year, would he allow the ship to come back to Florida this time?

[Joe V.]

Why? Because it violates your rights? Well, then stay home and I can exercise my right to stay healthy. Are children required to have certain vaccinations before they can attend school? YES. So unless you want to watch home videos of cruises instead of going on one just like unvaccinated children have to be home schooled......thats your right.

Yes it does violate my rights. You or I have no right to stay healthy. Staying healthy is a personal responsibility. Your rights, what ever you think they may be, end when they tread on my rights. You have no right to know if I am vaccinated or not. Why would I have to stay home if I choose to cruise RCCL from a FL port? Your anger is ugly. BTW: un-vaccinated children are in classrooms now.

[askcarl]

EU Digital COVID Certificate | European Commission (https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-response/safe-covid-19-vaccines-europeans/eu-digital-covid-certificate_en)

Others have differing thoughts.

Humans are such Funny creatures.

[Rosebud1949]

NCL is fighting DeSantis in court on this. I have two cruises booked for 2022. Carnival and NCL. I will not be going on Royal Caribbean until they require proof of vaccination of everyone on the ship.
Why would anyone want to get on a ship with people who don’t care about the safety of everyone, just themselves?
I don’t think it will be good for Florida tourism to tell the world we don’t care about anybody but ourselves. The majority of the people have taken the vaccine, wore their masks in respect for others, followed the CCD guidelines, and stayed home for over a year.
It’s our time to enjoy, so maybe it’s time for the majority of us get to enjoy ourselves in a safe environment. Like you said if you don’t want to get on the ship, don’t go.

That should not be our only choice. On that basis... Make some cruises with ALL people VACCINATED.. Other Cruises that are vaccine optional. Then those of us who did "the right thing" cared about others, and followed the rules can cruise safely. May mean boarding in another state. You can thank DeathSantis for that.

The rest of you can go have a party and play Russian roulette with yours and the other cruisers health. As long as they fumigate the ship before we get on it GREAT, or keep ships separate. Why should those who follow the rules be penalized.

[jackiedenny]

Totally agree. DeSantis is all about his journey to the White House. Doesn’t care about the rest of us.

[Joe V.]

Totally agree. DeSantis is all about his journey to the White House. Doesn’t care about the rest of us.

Wrong.

[Bill14564]

That should not be our only choice. On that basis... Make some cruises with ALL people VACCINATED.. Other Cruises that are vaccine optional. Then those of us who did "the right thing" cared about others, and followed the rules can cruise safely. May mean boarding in another state. You can thank DeathSantis for that.

The rest of you can go have a party and play Russian roulette with yours and the other cruisers health. As long as they fumigate the ship before we get on it GREAT, or keep ships separate. Why should those who follow the rules be penalized.

So you don't trust that the vaccine you took will protect your health? But, you believe that if you force the vaccine on others *then* you will be safe?

[NoMoSno]

Totally agree. DeSantis is all about his journey to the White House. Doesn’t care about the rest of us.
Why are thousands allowed to cross the southern border un-vaccinated?
Coming from countries with high rates of the Brazilian variant.
I guess some don't care about the US citizens.

[Markers333]

Desantis for the win!
Royal Caribbean Makes Vaccines Optional for Passengers on Most Cruises | Travel + Leisure (https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/royal-caribbean-makes-vaccines-voluntary-passengers)


Guess what, you don't like it? Don't go. They will be FULL.
If you got the vax, stop telling me to get one. If you believe in it and you got it, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS who else got it. On the other hand, if you don't really believe in it, and got it, keep clutching your pearls.
Non vaxers will have to show covid tests, and be subjected to test and temp checks, ship restrictions etc. Your choice, sail the easy way or the hard way.

[Pat2015]

NY: 49% fully vaccinated, 57% partially.
FL: 40% fully vaccinated, 50% partially.

Neither deserves strong marks!
So it’s the Governor’s fault that some people are choosing not to be vaccinated with it being free and available to everyone?

[Byte1]

NCL is fighting DeSantis in court on this. I have two cruises booked for 2022. Carnival and NCL. I will not be going on Royal Caribbean until they require proof of vaccination of everyone on the ship.
Why would anyone want to get on a ship with people who don’t care about the safety of everyone, just themselves?
I don’t think it will be good for Florida tourism to tell the world we don’t care about anybody but ourselves. The majority of the people have taken the vaccine, wore their masks in respect for others, followed the CCD guidelines, and stayed home for over a year.
It’s our time to enjoy, so maybe it’s time for the majority of us get to enjoy ourselves in a safe environment. Like you said if you don’t want to get on the ship, don’t go.

So, you don't have any faith in your vaccination? Did you get it solely based on an offer of a beer and a burger?

[Byte1]

Why? Because it violates your rights? Well, then stay home and I can exercise my right to stay healthy. Are children required to have certain vaccinations before they can attend school? YES. So unless you want to watch home videos of cruises instead of going on one just like unvaccinated children have to be home schooled......thats your right.

So, you do not have confidence in the vaccine? You think you will catch Covid from someone that has not been vaccinated? Or, do you believe that everyone without a legal document should stay home because you believe the gov should mandate gov papers? Just asking, because your post was not clear. I have my vaccination and do not worry about others having it or not. I don't get the flu shot and I have never been limited in my travels.

[Byte1]

That’s simply not true. DeSantis made the vaccine available to his rich and powerful supporters before it became generally available in lower income areas. Short memories when it’s convenient to support another big lie.

That was debunked also.

[Byte1]

Upon further investigation it appears this is a Desantis power play. If you watch this video by Royal Caribbean's CEO Royal Caribbean Group CEO explains thoughts on vaccines for cruise ships this summer - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWOKinc3-L4) it appears RC is being held hostage to Desantis since the overwhelming number of their US ports are in Florida. The CEO elaborates on his desire of wanting all passengers vaccinated but is forced to play by "the law of the land" that Desantis just instituted. The CEO also elaborates that there will be special testing for non vaccinated plus additional on board restrictions for the non vaxers yet to be established.

Yes, because Youtube is soooo factual and accurate..........:clap2:

[Pat2015]

That should not be our only choice. On that basis... Make some cruises with ALL people VACCINATED.. Other Cruises that are vaccine optional. Then those of us who did "the right thing" cared about others, and followed the rules can cruise safely. May mean boarding in another state. You can thank DeathSantis for that.

The rest of you can go have a party and play Russian roulette with yours and the other cruisers health. As long as they fumigate the ship before we get on it GREAT, or keep ships separate. Why should those who follow the rules be penalized.
Have you considered that people who have been told by their doctor to not take the vaccine, and/or those who have chosen not to take the vaccine that’s not FDA approved; where 2 vaccines were pulled back for a time to be further studied; where one comes with a warning of blood clots for women under 50; one comes with a warning of some heart issues for younger people; and it’s also now been determined that those who take immune suppressant drugs and have been vaccinated are testing negative for COVID antibodies as if they’ve never been vaccinated. So, maybe what you say is “doing the right thing” is actually not getting vaccinated for some people. Not everyone wants to take part in the ongoing clinical study of the side effects and efficiencies of the vaccines, and I think that’s their right.

[Byte1]

I'm not concerned about getting the virus from the antivaxers. I'm concerned about them developing the virus while on board and everyone is then confined to their stateroom for two weeks.

No thanks.

Yes, and my concern is the ship hitting an iceberg. :1rotfl:

[Byte1]

Non vaxers will have to show covid tests, and be subjected to test and temp checks, ship restrictions etc. Your choice, sail the easy way or the hard way.

When you get off the ship in other countries, will ALL the locals you meet have their covid vaccination? Will you require them to wear masks, if not? Inquiring minds want to know.

[Bertram00]

Your chances of dying are great indeed, since I know of no exceptions.
Your chances of dying of heart failure, cancer etc are much higher than the virus.
You can still catch the virus, even if vaccinated.
They stopped keeping track of vaccinated people who catch the virus because they do not want to know.
This vaccine has not be fully vetted, unlike many other vaccines that are required.
People give up their rights quickly, like a great many people posting here.
As to people who wish to order me about, you can go you know where.
Go DeSantis!

People gave up far more "rights" far more quickly in support of the Patriot Act. But don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.

[Byte1]

Non vaxers will have to show covid tests, and be subjected to test and temp checks, ship restrictions etc. Your choice, sail the easy way or the hard way.

Will the vaccinated be required to stay aboard IF everyone in port(the locals) are not vaccinated? If not, then why should fellow travelers that are not vaccinated worry you?

[Byte1]

People gave up far more "rights" far more quickly in support of the Patriot Act. But don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.

Is covid related to the Patriot Act?

[Bertram00]

Why are thousands allowed to cross the southern border un-vaccinated?
Coming from countries with high rates of the Brazilian variant.
I guess some don't care about the US citizens.

"But, but, but..."
Typical deflection.

[Bertram00]

So, you don't have any faith in your vaccination? Did you get it solely based on an offer of a beer and a burger?

On the contrary, I have faith in my vaccination, what I don't have faith in is my cruise vacation not being ruined by an outbreak among the non-vaxxers causing restrictions and loss of ability to visit ports-of-call I'm looking forward to.

[NoMoSno]

"But, but, but..."
Typical deflection.
I guess you can't answer the question.
Typical deflection.

[jimjamuser]

Desantis for the win!
Royal Caribbean Makes Vaccines Optional for Passengers on Most Cruises | Travel + Leisure (https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/royal-caribbean-makes-vaccines-voluntary-passengers)

Guess what, you don't like it? Don't go. They will be FULL.
If you got the vax, stop telling me to get one. If you believe in it and you got it, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS who else got it. On the other hand, if you don't really believe in it, and got it, keep clutching your pearls.
Yes, shut THAT front door! The DELTA variant may be knocking. Somebody is beating their chest and GLOATING. I am AFRAID that the anti-vaxxers in Florida and the US have SUCCEEDED in their UNPATRIOTIC quest to prevent 70% or more of the US from being vaccinated. Congratulation to MALES and EVANGELICALS for insuring that the VIRUS will win and will continue to REPLICATE AND MUTATE. Just put it out of your minds as CV DEATHS continue for the unvaccinated and especially for young people with their WHOLE lives ahead of them. So what if young people die as long as old people ( nearing death) are able to sit inside a Cruise Liner and waste their money ordering food and expensive wines (live not-so-very-long and pretend to prosper). As far as the next Cruise goes - just hope that an outbreak does not occur and you are stuck without a country that will let you in. And beware the new DELTA variant that is especially INFECTING CHILDREN. Don't kiss those grandkids anymore before you leave!

[DAVES]

Desantis for the win!
Royal Caribbean Makes Vaccines Optional for Passengers on Most Cruises | Travel + Leisure (https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/royal-caribbean-makes-vaccines-voluntary-passengers)

Guess what, you don't like it? Don't go. They will be FULL.
If you got the vax, stop telling me to get one. If you believe in it and you got it, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS who else got it. On the other hand, if you don't really believe in it, and got it, keep clutching your pearls.



On a cruse, be sure you insurance covers shuttling you off the ship. It is expensive to say the least. The insurance company may have somewhere in the policy no shot we will not pay.

With freedom of choice comes accepting responsibility for the choices you make. As it is said freedom is not free.

[DAVES]

Yes, shut THAT front door! The DELTA variant may be knocking. Somebody is beating their chest and GLOATING. I am AFRAID that the anti-vaxxers in Florida and the US have SUCCEEDED in their UNPATRIOTIC quest to prevent 70% or more of the US from being vaccinated. Congratulation to MALES and EVANGELICALS for insuring that the VIRUS will win and will continue to REPLICATE AND MUTATE. Just put it out of your minds as CV DEATHS continue for the unvaccinated and especially for young people with their WHOLE lives ahead of them. So what if young people die as long as old people ( nearing death) are able to sit inside a Cruise Liner and waste their money ordering food and expensive wines (live not-so-very-long and pretend to prosper). As far as the next Cruise goes - just hope that an outbreak does not occur and you are stuck without a country that will let you in. And beware the new DELTA variant that is especially INFECTING CHILDREN. Don't kiss those grandkids anymore before you leave!


Hate is a powerful yet, mindless emotion.

[DAVES]

These posts on any subject.
How many have you seen where someone says HUM I didn't see that and now realize I was wrong?
For that matter, you do not need any credentials to post.
As far as vaccines or any drug for that matter there are side effects. Issues with the covid 19 vaccine and effectiveness have been far better than normal. Aspirin? It is likely that you could not sell it or bring it to market today.

[toeser]

Desantis for the win!
Royal Caribbean Makes Vaccines Optional for Passengers on Most Cruises | Travel + Leisure (https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/royal-caribbean-makes-vaccines-voluntary-passengers)

Guess what, you don't like it? Don't go. They will be FULL.
If you got the vax, stop telling me to get one. If you believe in it and you got it, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS who else got it. On the other hand, if you don't really believe in it, and got it, keep clutching your pearls.

I have two cruises booked on other cruise lines. I will not be booking one on Royal Caribbean. In general, I'm against vaccine passports, but cruising is an exception. You are pretty much trapped with other passengers for days and weeks. I will not cruise with unvaccinated passengers.

[JMintzer]

That’s simply not true. DeSantis made the vaccine available to his rich and powerful supporters before it became generally available in lower income areas. Short memories when it’s convenient to support another big lie.

You didn't refute a thing I stated. I never mentioned mentioned "lower income areas"...

And could you please cite which "rich and powerful supporters" went to the front of the line?

I mean, it's a good thing a certain NY Governor didn't do that with his "rich and powerful" brother, who covered his ass on a national cable news show...

Wait, what? Oh right... Never mind...

[Bridget Staunton]

The person that posted about going to Alaska several times on a cruise please comment again. I lost the post and would like to get advice on Alaska

[JMintzer]

So when you pull into almost any port they will be requiring some proof of vaccination. I guess you can always stay on the ship. If the passengers come down with Covid, do you suppose DeSantis will let them off the ship into Florida ports?

What proof? A piece of cardboard with some numbers scribbled on it?

[JMintzer]

NY: 49% fully vaccinated, 57% partially.
FL: 40% fully vaccinated, 50% partially.

Neither deserves strong marks!

Has nothing to do with what I stated...

And the numbers you posted? Pretty much in line with the national average...

"More than 138.9 million Americans have been fully vaccinated – 41.9% of the population, according to the CDC." (as of 2 days ago)

[JMintzer]

So, you don't have any faith in your vaccination? Did you get it solely based on an offer of a beer and a burger?

Don't forget the donuts! ;)

[JMintzer]

On the contrary, I have faith in my vaccination, what I don't have faith in is my cruise vacation not being ruined by an outbreak among the non-vaxxers causing restrictions and loss of ability to visit ports-of-call I'm looking forward to.

Ports where you know that everyone has been vaccinated?

[JMintzer]

Yes, shut THAT front door! The DELTA variant may be knocking. Somebody is beating their chest and GLOATING. I am AFRAID that the anti-vaxxers in Florida and the US have SUCCEEDED in their UNPATRIOTIC quest to prevent 70% or more of the US from being vaccinated. Congratulation to MALES and EVANGELICALS for insuring that the VIRUS will win and will continue to REPLICATE AND MUTATE. Just put it out of your minds as CV DEATHS continue for the unvaccinated and especially for young people with their WHOLE lives ahead of them. So what if young people die as long as old people ( nearing death) are able to sit inside a Cruise Liner and waste their money ordering food and expensive wines (live not-so-very-long and pretend to prosper). As far as the next Cruise goes - just hope that an outbreak does not occur and you are stuck without a country that will let you in. And beware the new DELTA variant that is especially INFECTING CHILDREN. Don't kiss those grandkids anymore before you leave!

CAPITALIZING random WORDS does NOT make YOUR point ANY more VALID...

Nor does your EMOTIONAL HAND WRINGING...

[donassaid]

Well said! So tired of the "gene therapy" bullies.

[daveac83]

RCCL is skipping Vancouver for this summer.

[jimjamuser]

You vaxxers crack me up. You jump through those hoops. I man made virus funded by the number one job nut telling us how to handle this virus and then encourages everyone to get vaccinated. I wonder who’s pocket this getting lined…..Life is easy walking around with your eyes closed…….
That is SO wrong at every level!

[jimjamuser]

If vaccinations work and you’re vaccinated why the concern? Also, I don’t know anyone that has stayed home for a year. People that I know here in TV have been out playing golf, and engaging in many other activities over the past year and wore their mask where required. Lastly, the people who haven’t gotten vaccinated have either been told by their doctors not to do that, or they feel it’s not safe since it hasn’t been approved by the FDA and they don’t want to participate in the ongoing clinical study where side effects and vaccine efficiencies are still being studied.
I basically stayed home for a year and NOW the unvaccinated people will likely cause MORE Deaths, cases, hospitalizations, and long-haul pain. So, maybe that IS a "CONCERN" that some people are blindly UNAWARE of. Another concern is that the DELTA variant will spread from England to the US. It IS more deadly to younger people than our current variant. So, if TV Landers do NOT love their grandkids, then there is no NEED for concern. Note - that cases and DEATHS from CV have NOT dropped to ZERO - and will NOT because of the unvaccinated!

[stanley]

I basically stayed home for a year and NOW the unvaccinated people will likely cause MORE Deaths, cases, hospitalizations, and long-haul pain. So, maybe that IS a "CONCERN" that some people are blindly UNAWARE of. Another concern is that the DELTA variant will spread from England to the US. It IS more deadly to younger people than our current variant. So, if TV Landers do NOT love their grandkids, then there is no NEED for concern. Note - that cases and DEATHS from CV have NOT dropped to ZERO - and will NOT because of the unvaccinated!

golly gee willikers you're scaring me again :ohdear::ohdear:

[jimjamuser]

He made sure that the most vulnerable were vaccinated first...

Unlike a certain NY Governor...
Actually, it was the top 10% that lobby the most.

[jimjamuser]

So you don't trust that the vaccine you took will protect your health? But, you believe that if you force the vaccine on others *then* you will be safe?
The anti-vaxxers have won in the US and the VIRUS will love them for it......ENJOY the spreading of a dangerous DISEASE !!!!!!!

[rustyp]

Yes, because Youtube is soooo factual and accurate..........:clap2:

Royal Caribbean Group CEO explains thoughts on vaccines for cruise ships this summer - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWOKinc3-L4)

What am I missing ? Is this not the CEO of Royal Caribbean speaking ? One should at least LOOK at the facts before they shoot them down.


:0000000000luvmyhors
____________________________________

Without freedom of speech it would be much more difficult to identify the idiots

[NoMoSno]

I basically stayed home for a year and NOW the unvaccinated people will likely cause MORE Deaths, cases, hospitalizations, and long-haul pain. So, maybe that IS a "CONCERN" that some people are blindly UNAWARE of. Another concern is that the DELTA variant will spread from England to the US. It IS more deadly to younger people than our current variant. So, if TV Landers do NOT love their grandkids, then there is no NEED for concern. Note - that cases and DEATHS from CV have NOT dropped to ZERO - and will NOT because of the unvaccinated!
Do you have an intermittent CAPS-lock problem?

[jimjamuser]

So, an answer to an intelligent post by Pillowtalk with a not-so-intelligent one. I am unimpressed by the bite impression.

[Jean G]

I was one in the many people who called Royal Caribbean months ago urging them not to require vaccinations for travel. 😊

[jimjamuser]

Have you considered that people who have been told by their doctor to not take the vaccine, and/or those who have chosen not to take the vaccine that’s not FDA approved; where 2 vaccines were pulled back for a time to be further studied; where one comes with a warning of blood clots for women under 50; one comes with a warning of some heart issues for younger people; and it’s also now been determined that those who take immune suppressant drugs and have been vaccinated are testing negative for COVID antibodies as if they’ve never been vaccinated. So, maybe what you say is “doing the right thing” is actually not getting vaccinated for some people. Not everyone wants to take part in the ongoing clinical study of the side effects and efficiencies of the vaccines, and I think that’s their right.
That would be fine IF each person were an ISLAND. But, we live in an INTERCONNECTED world where, in this case, the health and future well-being is DEPENDENT on the US achieving a 70 or 80% vaccination rate. And it is too late now, the VIRUS has won! Pat yourselves on the back - you-all have weakened America and US defense - Putin's propaganda bots have taken American minds and most people don't EVEN realize that it happened!

[jimjamuser]

Yes, and my concern is the ship hitting an iceberg. :1rotfl:
That IS neither impressive nor humorous! Just a waste.

[caylaboo]

Ok, I think you are all missing the point. Who wants to be stuck out on a cruise ship quarantined out in the ocean because some person who thinks it is stupid to be vaccinated gets on board. Or complain when we get to other ports and they can not leave the ship because other countries want to check your vaccine card. Then who will be the first to complain that they can't touch the food, have to sit 6 ft apart, and can not go in the pool. Yes the unvaccinated person who thought they needed to show their liberties by not getting vaccinated and condemning the rest of us! I am so sick of selfish people who think their act of not getting vaccinated will open the world up....no it will only cause us to close down again when the next strain comes through.

[caylaboo]

I was one in the many people who called Royal Caribbean months ago urging them not to require vaccinations for travel. 😊

You are not a hero, but simply stupid.

[mamauhas]

Spoke to celebrity yesterday…they will probably have the same rule. However if someone does end up testing positive then they will be moved to a lower deck cabin and quarantined. If it appears to be spreading then they will cancel the cruise and return to the port…proof this past weekend at the golf tournament that if you test negative one day you can still be positive two days later. Will be so upset if this happens and the cruise industry gets shut down again…can’t understand why a private industry can’t have their own rules…they require a regular passport, won’t let you bring your own alcohol…why not a rule that is for the protection of not only people on the cruise but at the ports it is making stops at…where unvaccinated people can more easily pick up covid. Why do some people have the right to endanger the health of others by insisting to do activities that are deemed by the CDC are not to be safe….the vaccine offers 80% protection but not 100%. Just wondering if you will wear a mask on the ship if you are not vaccinated to protect other non vaccinated people?

Follow the science folks...not unfounded fear.

[jimjamuser]

You didn't refute a thing I stated. I never mentioned mentioned "lower income areas"...

And could you please cite which "rich and powerful supporters" went to the front of the line?

I mean, it's a good thing a certain NY Governor didn't do that with his "rich and powerful" brother, who covered his ass on a national cable news show...

Wait, what? Oh right... Never mind...
Many rich supporters that went to the front of the line reside right here in TV Land.

[asianthree]

I basically stayed home for a year and NOW the unvaccinated people will likely cause MORE Deaths, cases, hospitalizations, and long-haul pain. So, maybe that IS a "CONCERN" that some people are blindly UNAWARE of. Another concern is that the DELTA variant will spread from England to the US. It IS more deadly to younger people than our current variant. So, if TV Landers do NOT love their grandkids, then there is no NEED for concern. Note - that cases and DEATHS from CV have NOT dropped to ZERO - and will NOT because of the unvaccinated!

I am confused why do you care if those that have chosen not to vaccinate gets Covid, is hospitalized or not, has symptoms, or not, Die or not, according to science can only give Covid to the same unvaccinated.

Why does that bother you, does it directly effect you, does it change your lifestyle, because it shouldn’t. If you are vaccinated, you can Walk on Water, without getting wet:popcorn:

So my confusion is still Why do you care what others are doing?
I am currently in an area that only 26% have been vaccinated. Yet I don’t worry about things I cannot change. I don’t live in fear of what May or may not happen. But that has been my way of life since beginning of 2020. Hugged my grandchildren every week, and still enjoy life the same.

[jimjamuser]

CAPITALIZING random WORDS does NOT make YOUR point ANY more VALID...

Nor does your EMOTIONAL HAND WRINGING...
Note to all the ANTI-CAPITALIZERS......Yes. I DO think that capitalization DOES connotate emphasis and SHOULD be used in informal communication! Just like the use of inflection in SPEECH. Speech without INFLECTION is monotonous and BORING!

[jimjamuser]

I was one in the many people who called Royal Caribbean months ago urging them not to require vaccinations for travel. 😊
Apparently, lots of people are EAGER to play the Russian Roulette game with Royal Caribbean.

[JMintzer]

Actually, it was the top 10% that lobby the most.

Prove it...

[JMintzer]

Do you have an intermittent CAPS-lock problem?

https://media3.giphy.com/media/ppOmdZ54lA2Hu/200.gif

[JMintzer]

I basically stayed home for a year...

That explains soooo much!

https://media.tenor.com/images/6ca38c6e9e7044039d6b5aecc81ff82f/tenor.gif

[JMintzer]

Many rich supporters that went to the front of the line reside right here in TV Land.

Prove it...

[JMintzer]

Note to all the ANTI-CAPITALIZERS......Yes. I DO think that capitalization DOES connotate emphasis and SHOULD be used in informal communication! Just like the use of inflection in SPEECH. Speech without INFLECTION is monotonous and BORING!

YET it ADDS nothing TO the VALIDITY of your RANTS...

[JMintzer]

Apparently, lots of people are EAGER to play the Russian Roulette game with Royal Caribbean.

OR... they TRUST the VACCINE they RECEIVED...

[Pat2015]

I basically stayed home for a year and NOW the unvaccinated people will likely cause MORE Deaths, cases, hospitalizations, and long-haul pain. So, maybe that IS a "CONCERN" that some people are blindly UNAWARE of. Another concern is that the DELTA variant will spread from England to the US. It IS more deadly to younger people than our current variant. So, if TV Landers do NOT love their grandkids, then there is no NEED for concern. Note - that cases and DEATHS from CV have NOT dropped to ZERO - and will NOT because of the unvaccinated!
It was your choice to stay home for a year and your choice to get vaccinated. Other people can make the same choices for themselves and who’s to say that a year or a few years down the road as to who may have made the right choice. As I said before some people are told by their doctor not to get vaccinated, and others feel that the vaccines haven’t been adequately tested studied for side effects and efficiencies and thus aren’t safe. That’s their choice to say no to vaccines that aren’t FDA approved, and do what they feel is best for themselves.

[Pat2015]

What proof? A piece of cardboard with some numbers scribbled on it?
So true as they are very easily copied and manipulated and having a paper card is really not proof of anything. Also, just saw an article where a guy was charged with the theft of 500 CDC cards.

[jimjamuser]

I am confused why do you care if those that have chosen not to vaccinate gets Covid, is hospitalized or not, has symptoms, or not, Die or not, according to science can only give Covid to the same unvaccinated.

Why does that bother you, does it directly effect you, does it change your lifestyle, because it shouldn’t. If you are vaccinated, you can Walk on Water, without getting wet:popcorn:

So my confusion is still Why do you care what others are doing?
I am currently in an area that only 26% have been vaccinated. Yet I don’t worry about things I cannot change. I don’t live in fear of what May or may not happen. But that has been my way of life since beginning of 2020. Hugged my grandchildren every week, and still enjoy life the same.
The answer my friend.....is written in my post
the answer is written in my post

Honestly, I have stated my answer to THAT at, least, 20 times on various days in various posts. But, on the off chance that you are somewhat sincere - here goes again.....why I care?.............

..........Over 600,000 US citizens have died of CV. And more WILL die. That weakens America, which IS my country. CV also COST the taxpayer a BIZZILION dollars in hospital expenses, and vaccine costs. Probably caused some hospitals to go out of business. I spent one year of my life staying quarantined because I felt it was the right and patriotic thing to do. NOW, my time and effort is somewhat wasted because others chose a different path. Truthfully, that IS FRUSTRATING! Now I have a near hatred of about 40% of all Americans that went unvaccinated. I have a hatred of the dark- propaganda, and media forces that led to that 40% that were (and remain) UNVACCINATED. I worry that America has split into 2 unstable camps and there is a good chance that it will end up in a DICTATORSHIP.

[lisarenee523]

That is simply not true. If you are fully vaccinated, the probability of contracting the virus is extremely small. The breakthrough rate for the fully vaccinated was about 0.01% according to the CDC (they are no longer tracking it) and the chances of a breakthrough that causes hospitalization or death (what the CDC is now tracking) is about an order of magnitude lower.


I actually know someone personally, that got the vaccine, and got Covid. He was miserable. He was out for 2 weeks, if not longer. He's still not himself, and it's been over a month since he's been cleared and has been venturing out.

[jimjamuser]

I am confused why do you care if those that have chosen not to vaccinate gets Covid, is hospitalized or not, has symptoms, or not, Die or not, according to science can only give Covid to the same unvaccinated.

Why does that bother you, does it directly effect you, does it change your lifestyle, because it shouldn’t. If you are vaccinated, you can Walk on Water, without getting wet:popcorn:

So my confusion is still Why do you care what others are doing?
I am currently in an area that only 26% have been vaccinated. Yet I don’t worry about things I cannot change. I don’t live in fear of what May or may not happen. But that has been my way of life since beginning of 2020. Hugged my grandchildren every week, and still enjoy life the same.
It affects my lifestyle as a taxpayer because CV should have (and COULD have) been stopped by last Sept in the US even without a vaccine. Australia did it early on with discipline, leadership, no live-free-or-die-idiots like in the US, masking, and distancing. WE should have ONLY about 200,000 deaths today!

It affects ALL our lifestyles because we All wasted the $ for the shots and our time, in that as a total country - we FAILED to drop the CV toward near ZERO. We squandered our opportunity - now we will waste MORE money and have MORE unnecessary DEATHS (hope it is no one that you or I know). It affects my lifestyle because I NO LONGER believe in America - the image of America from my high school days is WHIPPED OUT COMPLETELY! That IS hard to take! If I could move to Australia, Switzerland, or Finland, I would look into it in a heartbeat!

[Gulfcoast]

I'm glad that RC is making the vaccinations optional for their passengers. That's the way it should be. Anyone who wants the vaccine has had ample time to get it and it's time for the government to step aside and allow the people to decide for themselves whether to risk getting on a cruise ship or not.

This year we've seen schools in other states remain closed, or only open on a very limited basis for their students, all year long only to have full capacity in person graduations with no masks or social distancing required. How much sense does that even make? The HS seniors missed out on their entire senior year of HS due to "safety" concerns and now that the year is over they are suddenly "safe" to be around each other again along with hundreds, maybe even thousands, of spectators in a full capacity stadium w/no masks required.

I and many others are done with this nonsense and want to enjoy going on a cruise again without all of the Covid-19 "safety measures". It's all a bunch of baloney. Go or don't go. Just keep your nose out of other passengers' health records.

[jimjamuser]

I am confused why do you care if those that have chosen not to vaccinate gets Covid, is hospitalized or not, has symptoms, or not, Die or not, according to science can only give Covid to the same unvaccinated.

Why does that bother you, does it directly effect you, does it change your lifestyle, because it shouldn’t. If you are vaccinated, you can Walk on Water, without getting wet:popcorn:

So my confusion is still Why do you care what others are doing?
I am currently in an area that only 26% have been vaccinated. Yet I don’t worry about things I cannot change. I don’t live in fear of what May or may not happen. But that has been my way of life since beginning of 2020. Hugged my grandchildren every week, and still enjoy life the same.
Why should I NOT care about the UNVACCINATED? They are human too! They could be a young relative or grandkid that is too young to become vaccinated. The unvaccinated are not on their own islands.
They affect me and EVERYONE in America. When they go to a hospital with CV, they weaken America. When they DIE, they weaken America. When they walk into Wal MART, they weaken society. When they spread their ideas in public or on this forum they make AMERICA look stupid and they spread propaganda and conspiracies. They are JUST on the wrong side of History and it is a sad situation!

[stanley]

Why should I NOT care about the UNVACCINATED? They are human too! They could be a young relative or grandkid that is too young to become vaccinated. The unvaccinated are not on their own islands.
They affect me and EVERYONE in America. When they go to a hospital with CV, they weaken America. When they DIE, they weaken America. When they walk into Wal MART, they weaken society. When they spread their ideas in public or on this forum they make AMERICA look stupid and they spread propaganda and conspiracies. They are JUST on the wrong side of History and it is a sad situation!

All opinion

[jimjamuser]

I am confused why do you care if those that have chosen not to vaccinate gets Covid, is hospitalized or not, has symptoms, or not, Die or not, according to science can only give Covid to the same unvaccinated.

Why does that bother you, does it directly effect you, does it change your lifestyle, because it shouldn’t. If you are vaccinated, you can Walk on Water, without getting wet:popcorn:

So my confusion is still Why do you care what others are doing?
I am currently in an area that only 26% have been vaccinated. Yet I don’t worry about things I cannot change. I don’t live in fear of what May or may not happen. But that has been my way of life since beginning of 2020. Hugged my grandchildren every week, and still enjoy life the same.
If you want ANY more reasons? I am sure that I left out a few. Hope that answers the question.

[jimjamuser]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/ppOmdZ54lA2Hu/200.gif
Childish!!!!!!!!

[Proveone]

Why would you "cheer" for no vaccine mandate on a cruise? Not very smart with variants spreading throughout the world. We are over this nightmare, yet! No praise for Mini-Me. Lame at best.

[jimjamuser]

It was your choice to stay home for a year and your choice to get vaccinated. Other people can make the same choices for themselves and who’s to say that a year or a few years down the road as to who may have made the right choice. As I said before some people are told by their doctor not to get vaccinated, and others feel that the vaccines haven’t been adequately tested studied for side effects and efficiencies and thus aren’t safe. That’s their choice to say no to vaccines that aren’t FDA approved, and do what they feel is best for themselves.
No man/woman IS an ISLAND.

[asianthree]

Why should I NOT care about the UNVACCINATED? They are human too! They could be a young relative or grandkid that is too young to become vaccinated. The unvaccinated are not on their own islands.
They affect me and EVERYONE in America. When they go to a hospital with CV, they weaken America. When they DIE, they weaken America. When they walk into Wal MART, they weaken society. When they spread their ideas in public or on this forum they make AMERICA look stupid and they spread propaganda and conspiracies. They are JUST on the wrong side of History and it is a sad situation!

I am in those hospitals everyday, I find no weakness, or the stupid you are referring to. If not for essential workers during 2020, your life would be completely different. Oh and Walmart is not on my list so you are safe.

Of course I took a new assignment that I knew the percentage of vaccinated was extremely low, and it didn’t come with hazardous pay.

They are taking volunteers in hospitals now, maybe you could make a difference instead of just reading or watching TV. The volunteer I had had the pleasure of being with was 87, full of life, great sense of humor, as I left today he said Live Life with no Fear, enjoy the evening. What a smile.

[Joe V.]

Why should I NOT care about the UNVACCINATED? They are human too! They could be a young relative or grandkid that is too young to become vaccinated. The unvaccinated are not on their own islands.
They affect me and EVERYONE in America. When they go to a hospital with CV, they weaken America. When they DIE, they weaken America. When they walk into Wal MART, they weaken society. When they spread their ideas in public or on this forum they make AMERICA look stupid and they spread propaganda and conspiracies. They are JUST on the wrong side of History and it is a sad situation!

I laugh every time I read your silly little posts. Pathetic.

[JMintzer]

It affects my lifestyle as a taxpayer because CV should have (and COULD have) been stopped by last Sept in the US even without a vaccine. Australia did it early on with discipline, leadership, no live-free-or-die-idiots like in the US, masking, and distancing. WE should have ONLY about 200,000 deaths today!

It affects ALL our lifestyles because we All wasted the $ for the shots and our time, in that as a total country - we FAILED to drop the CV toward near ZERO. We squandered our opportunity - now we will waste MORE money and have MORE unnecessary DEATHS (hope it is no one that you or I know). It affects my lifestyle because I NO LONGER believe in America - the image of America from my high school days is WHIPPED OUT COMPLETELY! That IS hard to take! If I could move to Australia, Switzerland, or Finland, I would look into it in a heartbeat!

Look into it?

I'd bet the farm you'd never do it... All talk... No action...

[JMintzer]

Why should I NOT care about the UNVACCINATED? They are human too! They could be a young relative or grandkid that is too young to become vaccinated. The unvaccinated are not on their own islands.
They affect me and EVERYONE in America. When they go to a hospital with CV, they weaken America. When they DIE, they weaken America. When they walk into Wal MART, they weaken society. When they spread their ideas in public or on this forum they make AMERICA look stupid and they spread propaganda and conspiracies. They are JUST on the wrong side of History and it is a sad situation!

I though you HATE the unvaccinated...

You said so in a previous RANT...

[JMintzer]

Childish!!!!!!!!

I think you meant CHILDISH!!!!!!!!

[eyc234]

Desantis for the win!
Royal Caribbean Makes Vaccines Optional for Passengers on Most Cruises | Travel + Leisure (https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/royal-caribbean-makes-vaccines-voluntary-passengers)

Guess what, you don't like it? Don't go. They will be FULL.
If you got the vax, stop telling me to get one. If you believe in it and you got it, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS who else got it. On the other hand, if you don't really believe in it, and got it, keep clutching your pearls.

:popcorn: OOOOPS hold the horses at the gate. Judge asked to put law on hold as no decision could be agreed upon. How is it okay for government to tell a business how to run? If you do not like how a business operates go somewhere else. If you can not tell someone they must do something to protect employees and other customers how can you say someone must wear clothes to enter your business. Just as you believe you do not need a vaccine this business says they believe you need one to be a customer.

[JMintzer]

:popcorn: OOOOPS hold the horses at the gate. Judge asked to put law on hold as no decision could be agreed upon. How is it okay for government to tell a business how to run? If you do not like how a business operates go somewhere else. If you can not tell someone they must do something to protect employees and other customers how can you say someone must wear clothes to enter your business. Just as you believe you do not need a vaccine this business says they believe you need one to be a customer.

The government tells businesses how to run all of the time...

Restaurants have health codes... Businesses cannot deny service of not hire for discriminatory reasons...

Asking for private health records is a different matter...

[Betty Wagner]

I don't understand the problem. I want people to know that I've been fully vaccinated and they are safe around me. I want to know that I'm safe around others, and that means I want to know they are vaccinated.
On the other hand, restaurants don't require proof, but I'm only around a few people, not a boat load. I can keep a distance from people in the restaurant. I just don't believe it's an invasion of my privacy to provide proof that I'm fully vaccinated.

[tuccillo]

If other people are vaccinated it doesn't matter whether you are unvaccinated. If you are vaccinated it doesn't matter whether you are around unvaccinated people. The probability of developing COVID once you are vaccinated is very small - about 0.01% breakthrough cases.

I don't understand the problem. I want people to know that I've been fully vaccinated and they are safe around me. I want to know that I'm safe around others, and that means I want to know they are vaccinated.
On the other hand, restaurants don't require proof, but I'm only around a few people, not a boat load. I can keep a distance from people in the restaurant. I just don't believe it's an invasion of my privacy to provide proof that I'm fully vaccinated.

[JMintzer]

I don't understand the problem. I want people to know that I've been fully vaccinated and they are safe around me. I want to know that I'm safe around others, and that means I want to know they are vaccinated.
On the other hand, restaurants don't require proof, but I'm only around a few people, not a boat load. I can keep a distance from people in the restaurant. I just don't believe it's an invasion of my privacy to provide proof that I'm fully vaccinated.

I WANT a new puppy, but my wife said no...

To quote the philosophers, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards... "You can't always get what you want... But sometimes, you get what you need..."

[bobdeb]

Hooray for Governor DeathSantis! Live Free and Die!

I lived in New Hampshire for 22 years and I loved the state and the state motto. And we all know this wasn't it. And I will live by the motto.

LIVE FREE OR DIE

[Byte1]

Why would you "cheer" for no vaccine mandate on a cruise? Not very smart with variants spreading throughout the world. We are over this nightmare, yet! No praise for Mini-Me. Lame at best.

Yes, and they should require proof of flu shot also, the latest flu shot just as soon as it is available EVERY year. Don't forget the shingles shot and the pneumonia shot.

[Byte1]

I am confused why do you care if those that have chosen not to vaccinate gets Covid, is hospitalized or not, has symptoms, or not, Die or not, according to science can only give Covid to the same unvaccinated.

Why does that bother you, does it directly effect you, does it change your lifestyle, because it shouldn’t. If you are vaccinated, you can Walk on Water, without getting wet:popcorn:

So my confusion is still Why do you care what others are doing?
I am currently in an area that only 26% have been vaccinated. Yet I don’t worry about things I cannot change. I don’t live in fear of what May or may not happen. But that has been my way of life since beginning of 2020. Hugged my grandchildren every week, and still enjoy life the same.

The easiest term you are seeking is probably "busybody." Some folks believe that everyone MUST believe as they do and have to be in everybody else's business.

[Byte1]

Note to all the ANTI-CAPITALIZERS......Yes. I DO think that capitalization DOES connotate emphasis and SHOULD be used in informal communication! Just like the use of inflection in SPEECH. Speech without INFLECTION is monotonous and BORING!

WOW! Sure GLAD that you APPROVE.

[Byte1]

Apparently, lots of people are EAGER to play the Russian Roulette game with Royal Caribbean.

Well shoot, if the Roulette table is in Russian on that cruise line, count me out. :MOJE_whot:

[Byte1]

That IS neither impressive nor humorous! Just a waste.

Unlike your reply, right? :boom:

[NAB20]

I never said I was not vaccinated. I am against vaccine passports.
Are you against driver's licenses?

[WindyCityzen]

Whaaa? I thought Republicans were all about hands-off business, total free markets, no regulations? Sure sounds hypocritical to me.

[Villageswimmer]

See today’s news wrt 2 positive onboard Celebrity Millenium.

[Villageswimmer]

Ha! I just noticed the title of this thread.

[Byte1]

Are you against driver's licenses?

All they are good for is ID. I do believe in voter ID though. According to the Constitution, America has been having illegal elections. The Constitution states that ONLY American citizens may vote in our elections. I have yet to see anyone require proof of citizenship in order to vote. And the only absentee voting should be done by the military overseas.

[Byte1]

Whaaa? I thought Republicans were all about hands-off business, total free markets, no regulations? Sure sounds hypocritical to me.

I think you are mistakenly mixing up Republicans with Libertarians. Republicans only wish a smaller government, with little regulation.

[Bill14564]

See today’s news wrt 2 positive onboard Celebrity Millenium.

From the glass-half-full side.....

- Requiring a fully vaccinated crew and guests did not prevent Covid
- The article implied that the cruise was not cut short in any way
- The cases were only discovered due to "required end-of-cruise testing"; otherwise the two passengers would be out living their lives today

Perhaps the contact tracing and further testing will reveal a more critical situation. Lacking that, there was no health emergency during the cruise, the cruise was not cut short, the passengers were not all quarantined, the only indications of any Covid issue at all were the test results, and requiring proof of vaccinations did not keep Covid off the ship.

[rustyp]

How quickly we forget !

Jan 20 2020 The Diamond Princess departed port with 2,666 passengers and 1,045 crew on board
712 people out of 3,711 became infected (567 out of 2,666 passengers and 145 out of 1,045 crew), and 14 people, all of them passengers, died.

Oh and it started with one passenger. Passengers confined to staterooms. Sewage tanks overflowing. Scraps for food. I doubt if I'll ever get back on a floating petrie dish but if I do it won't be unless 100% vaccinations are required.

[KAM+6]

From the glass-half-full side.....

- Requiring a fully vaccinated crew and guests did not prevent Covid
- The article implied that the cruise was not cut short in any way
- The cases were only discovered due to "required end-of-cruise testing"; otherwise the two passengers would be out living their lives today

Perhaps the contact tracing and further testing will reveal a more critical situation. Lacking that, there was no health emergency during the cruise, the cruise was not cut short, the passengers were not all quarantined, the only indications of any Covid issue at all were the test results, and requiring proof of vaccinations did not keep Covid off the ship.

The 2 passengers were not let back on the ship, they were required to quarantine in St Martin. Wonder how many were in contact with them on the island and the ship and may come down with covid.

[JMintzer]

Are you against driver's licenses?

Ridiculous analogy...

[JMintzer]

How quickly we forget !

Jan 20 2020 The Diamond Princess departed port with 2,666 passengers and 1,045 crew on board
712 people out of 3,711 became infected (567 out of 2,666 passengers and 145 out of 1,045 crew), and 14 people, all of them passengers, died.

Oh and it started with one passenger. Passengers confined to staterooms. Sewage tanks overflowing. Scraps for food. I doubt if I'll ever get back on a floating petrie dish but if I do it won't be unless 100% vaccinations are required.

Are you vaccinated?

If so, don't you trust the vaccine?

If so, you have nothing to worry about.

If not, why did you get vaccinated in the first place?

[Bill14564]

The 2 passengers were not let back on the ship, they were required to quarantine in St Martin. Wonder how many were in contact with them on the island and the ship and may come down with covid.

EDIT: It looks like the cruise has ended and that's why the passengers are quarantined in St Maarten. They were not removed from the ship or refused reboarding, their cruise had ended.

____

I believe you may be confusing the Caribbean cruise with another in the Mediterranean. I could find no mention of the passengers from the Caribbean cruise being taken off the ship. Further, St Maarten was the starting point for that cruise, not one of the ports of call. All that is mentioned in the articles I could find was that the two passengers have been isolated.

The passengers on the Mediterranean cruise were taken off the ship according to news reports.

But in both cases, the discovery of Covid-positive passengers did not result in a public health emergency, ship-wide quarantines, refusal of docking privileges, or early termination of the cruise.

[Bonnevie]

Are you vaccinated?

If so, don't you trust the vaccine?

If so, you have nothing to worry about.

If not, why did you get vaccinated in the first place?

because as long as there are unvaccinated people, the risk of variants developing is possible. just look at the UK, which was doing well on vaccinations, but are now seeing a surge of disease from the Delta variant. as long as there are unvaccinated hosts, there's a risk for the development of variants which may be resistant to current vaccines.

[rustyp]

How quickly we forget !

Jan 20 2020 The Diamond Princess departed port with 2,666 passengers and 1,045 crew on board
712 people out of 3,711 became infected (567 out of 2,666 passengers and 145 out of 1,045 crew), and 14 people, all of them passengers, died.

Oh and it started with one passenger. Passengers confined to staterooms. Sewage tanks overflowing. Scraps for food. I doubt if I'll ever get back on a floating petrie dish but if I do it won't be unless 100% vaccinations are required.

Are you vaccinated?

If so, don't you trust the vaccine?

If so, you have nothing to worry about.

If not, why did you get vaccinated in the first place?

I am vaccinated.

I do trust the vaccination.

I got the vaccination to protect both me and you.

Since I can not walk on water I worry about being quarantined on a ship in a stateroom. I tend towards being claustrophobic.

I'm not a fan of eating spoiled food / scraps.

I despise floating turds.

[tsmall22204]

First of all, cruises are not a requirement, they are a vacation. Next if there is no requirement to prove vaccine then wear a mask forever. Stop trying to punish people for getting vaccinated in order to protect their families.

[bobdeb]

Whaaa? I thought Republicans were all about hands-off business, total free markets, no regulations? Sure sounds hypocritical to me.

So it's ok to criticize here?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

All they are good for is ID. I do believe in voter ID though. According to the Constitution, America has been having illegal elections. The Constitution states that ONLY American citizens may vote in our elections. I have yet to see anyone require proof of citizenship in order to vote. And the only absentee voting should be done by the military overseas.

So, people living in assisted living homes physically unable to leave, people living in nursing homes, seniors who have given up driving and rely on other people - they should just not vote.

People who live in rural areas without any way of getting to the polls - shouldn't vote.

People who are out of the country during Election week - should not be allowed to vote at all.

You do know that mail-in voting is a thing throughout the entire country and has been for decades, right? I mean, this isn't anything new. Both republicans AND democrats have won elections where mail-in voting was available nationwide, and not restricted to military overseas.

[Bucco]

All they are good for is ID. I do believe in voter ID though. According to the Constitution, America has been having illegal elections. The Constitution states that ONLY American citizens may vote in our elections. I have yet to see anyone require proof of citizenship in order to vote. And the only absentee voting should be done by the military overseas.

Have you recently checked to note the regulations and requirements to register to vote, which precedes you voting. THAT is where you must identify yourself and offer what is required.

I assume that you believe in cutting off registered voters because.....well because of anything...especially if they like became alone since registering and have no way to the polls, etc., etc.