REPORT: Top Chinese Intelligence Official Defected to U.S. With Wuhan Documents

[SkBlogW]

A Chinese vice minister of State Security defected to the United States in February to give information about the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which changed the Biden Administration’s viewpoint on the origins of the pandemic.

Dong Jingwei has been working with the Defense Intelligence Agency for a few months. He allegedly flew to the United States to visit his daughter at a university in California. He “hid in plain sight” for about two weeks before disappearing into DIA custody, according to Red State.

Dong allegedly has detailed information about China’s special weapons systems, the Chinese military’s operation of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the origins of COVID-19 and the Chinese government’s assets and sources within the U.S.

Dong provided the DIA with the following information:

Early pathogenic studies of the virus we now know as SARS-CoV-2
Models of predicted COVID-19 spread and damage to the U.S. and the world
Financial records detailing which organizations and governments funded the research on SARS-CoV-2 and other biological warfare research
Names of U.S. citizens who provide intel to China
Names of Chinese spies working in the U.S. or attending U.S. universities
Financial records showing U.S. businessmen and public officials who’ve received money from the Chinese government
Details of meetings between U.S. government officials and Chinese spies and members of Russia’s SVR
How the Chinese government gained access to a CIA communications system, leading to the death of dozens of Chinese people who were working with the CIA

REPORT: Top Chinese Intelligence Official Defected to U.S. With Wuhan Documents | Human Events (https://humanevents.com/2021/06/18/report-top-chinese-intelligence-official-defected-to-u-s-with-wuhan-documents/)

This is probable reason White House switched stance on lab leak theory.

[Byte1]

Germ warfare? Guess that ain't new. Most folks with common sense already KNEW that this virus did not come from some meat market. Now, on to the motive. How many vote for: Chinese gov wishing to cripple world economy?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Germ warfare? Guess that ain't new. Most folks with common sense already KNEW that this virus did not come from some meat market. Now, on to the motive. How many vote for: Chinese gov wishing to cripple world economy?

Nah I think it's because George Soros was mad that his shrimp with lobster sauce had too much egg in it that week.

(because why not start a new pointless conspiracy theory designed to divide and cause people to argue with each other?)

[Sabella]

Nah I think it's because George Soros was mad that his shrimp with lobster sauce had too much egg in it that week.

(because why not start a new pointless conspiracy theory designed to divide and cause people to argue with each other?)
Wuhan lab leak might be a lot more than a conspiracy theory, but I guess your in the group that makes determinations without the true facts and evidence .

[I'm Popeye!]

Why is it that it's always the same people charming in with lack of conviction when it's not in their favor? :ohdear:

[TSO/ISPF]

A Chinese vice minister of State Security defected to the United States in February to give information about the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which changed the Biden Administration’s viewpoint on the origins of the pandemic.

Dong Jingwei has been working with the Defense Intelligence Agency for a few months. He allegedly flew to the United States to visit his daughter at a university in California. He “hid in plain sight” for about two weeks before disappearing into DIA custody, according to Red State.

Dong allegedly has detailed information about China’s special weapons systems, the Chinese military’s operation of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the origins of COVID-19 and the Chinese government’s assets and sources within the U.S.

Dong provided the DIA with the following information:

Early pathogenic studies of the virus we now know as SARS-CoV-2
Models of predicted COVID-19 spread and damage to the U.S. and the world
Financial records detailing which organizations and governments funded the research on SARS-CoV-2 and other biological warfare research
Names of U.S. citizens who provide intel to China
Names of Chinese spies working in the U.S. or attending U.S. universities
Financial records showing U.S. businessmen and public officials who’ve received money from the Chinese government
Details of meetings between U.S. government officials and Chinese spies and members of Russia’s SVR
How the Chinese government gained access to a CIA communications system, leading to the death of dozens of Chinese people who were working with the CIA

REPORT: Top Chinese Intelligence Official Defected to U.S. With Wuhan Documents | Human Events (https://humanevents.com/2021/06/18/report-top-chinese-intelligence-official-defected-to-u-s-with-wuhan-documents/)

This is probable reason White House switched stance on lab leak theory.

FYI: Your source. Is there another new reporting organization on this?
Human Events - Media Bias/Fact Check (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/human-events/)

[manaboutown]

Germ warfare? Guess that ain't new. Most folks with common sense already KNEW that this virus did not come from some meat market. Now, on to the motive. How many vote for: Chinese gov wishing to cripple world economy?

And control the outcome of an election?

[SkBlogW]

Nah I think it's because George Soros was mad that his shrimp with lobster sauce had too much egg in it that week.

(because why not start a new pointless conspiracy theory designed to divide and cause people to argue with each other?)

Pointless conspiracy theory? So the President is guilty of this?

Direct quote: Nevertheless, shortly after I became President, in March, I had my National Security Advisor task the Intelligence Community to prepare a report on their most up-to-date analysis of the origins of COVID-19, including whether it emerged from human contact with an infected animal or from a laboratory accident. I received that report earlier this month, and asked for additional follow-up. As of today, the U.S. Intelligence Community has “coalesced around two likely scenarios” but has not reached a definitive conclusion on this question. Here is their current position: “while two elements in the IC leans toward the former scenario and one leans more toward the latter – each with low or moderate confidence – the majority of elements do not believe there is sufficient information to assess one to be more likely than the other.”

There are 3 basic scenarios:

1: Virus evolved naturally, went from bats to intermediate animal to humans (zoonotic)

2. Virus was manipulated to infect humans in gain of function experiments at Wuhan lab, leaked or released by infected lab workers into general population of Wuhan

3. Virus was manipulated to infect humans and released on purpose as bioweapon

1. So far, after over a year of trapping 1000s of animals that could be intermediate hosts has come up with bubkis, not a single spec of scientific proof of zoonotic origin. Also, the bats that carry coronaviruses live about 800 miles from Wuhan, if zooonotic origin why were zero cases found in humans in that area before it hit Wuhan?

2. Occams razor, virus attack started in Wuhan, the exact same place where a Level 4 Lab was studying coronavirus found in bats. Lab had documented safety issues. 3 workers at the lab were hospitalized with mysterious lung infections in November 2019. Chinese Government has never allowed a single western scientist to inspect the Wuhan lab records, most likely they have been destroyed. Several Chinese Drs and scientists were silenced after speaking out early in the outbreak. Several prominent scientists have declared that the virus has characteristics of being engineered.

3. I don't believe this one, it would be crazy to do this, but you never know.

[Taltarzac725]

Pointless conspiracy theory? So the President is guilty of this?

Direct quote: Nevertheless, shortly after I became President, in March, I had my National Security Advisor task the Intelligence Community to prepare a report on their most up-to-date analysis of the origins of COVID-19, including whether it emerged from human contact with an infected animal or from a laboratory accident. I received that report earlier this month, and asked for additional follow-up. As of today, the U.S. Intelligence Community has “coalesced around two likely scenarios” but has not reached a definitive conclusion on this question. Here is their current position: “while two elements in the IC leans toward the former scenario and one leans more toward the latter – each with low or moderate confidence – the majority of elements do not believe there is sufficient information to assess one to be more likely than the other.”

There are 3 basic scenarios:

1: Virus evolved naturally, went from bats to intermediate animal to humans (zoonotic)

2. Virus was manipulated to infect humans in gain of function experiments at Wuhan lab, leaked or released by infected lab workers into general population of Wuhan

3. Virus was manipulated to infect humans and released on purpose as bioweapon

1. So far, after over a year of trapping 1000s of animals that could be intermediate hosts has come up with bubkis, not a single spec of scientific proof of zoonotic origin. Also, the bats that carry coronaviruses live about 800 miles from Wuhan, if zooonotic origin why were zero cases found in humans in that area before it hit Wuhan?

2. Occams razor, virus attack started in Wuhan, the exact same place where a Level 4 Lab was studying coronavirus found in bats. Lab had documented safety issues. 3 workers at the lab were hospitalized with mysterious lung infections in November 2019. Chinese Government has never allowed a single western scientist to inspect the Wuhan lab records, most likely they have been destroyed. Several Chinese Drs and scientists were silenced after speaking out early in the outbreak. Several prominent scientists have declared that the virus has characteristics of being engineered.

3. I don't believe this one, it would be crazy to do this, but you never know.

It just seems like sloppy maintenance to me that was then covered up. And this would be very hard for say the Chinese intelligence agency to keep a lid on especially after the Corona Virus got out of China. I do not think that if they had a weapon like this they ever would have deliberately let it out as they would not longer be able to use it against their enemies.

[Topspinmo]

Nah I think it's because George Soros was mad that his shrimp with lobster sauce had too much egg in it that week.

(because why not start a new pointless conspiracy theory designed to divide and cause people to argue with each other?)

Comprehension problem I see? So who are being divided?

[Topspinmo]

It just seems like sloppy maintenance to me that was then covered up. And this would be very hard for say the Chinese intelligence agency to keep a lid on especially after the Corona Virus got out of China. I do not think that if they had a weapon like this they ever would have deliberately let it out as they would not longer be able to use it against their enemies.


You do know they didn’t allowing any outside investigation until year and half after right? Not that hard in china to keep lid on anything.

[Lindsyburnsy]

A Chinese vice minister of State Security defected to the United States in February to give information about the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which changed the Biden Administration’s viewpoint on the origins of the pandemic.

Dong Jingwei has been working with the Defense Intelligence Agency for a few months. He allegedly flew to the United States to visit his daughter at a university in California. He “hid in plain sight” for about two weeks before disappearing into DIA custody, according to Red State.

Dong allegedly has detailed information about China’s special weapons systems, the Chinese military’s operation of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the origins of COVID-19 and the Chinese government’s assets and sources within the U.S.

Dong provided the DIA with the following information:

Early pathogenic studies of the virus we now know as SARS-CoV-2
Models of predicted COVID-19 spread and damage to the U.S. and the world
Financial records detailing which organizations and governments funded the research on SARS-CoV-2 and other biological warfare research
Names of U.S. citizens who provide intel to China
Names of Chinese spies working in the U.S. or attending U.S. universities
Financial records showing U.S. businessmen and public officials who’ve received money from the Chinese government
Details of meetings between U.S. government officials and Chinese spies and members of Russia’s SVR
How the Chinese government gained access to a CIA communications system, leading to the death of dozens of Chinese people who were working with the CIA

REPORT: Top Chinese Intelligence Official Defected to U.S. With Wuhan Documents | Human Events (https://humanevents.com/2021/06/18/report-top-chinese-intelligence-official-defected-to-u-s-with-wuhan-documents/)

This is probable reason White House switched stance on lab leak theory.
Sometimes I need to check to be sure I didn’t accidentally log into a Qanon website.

[Topspinmo]

Sometimes I need to check to be sure I didn’t accidentally log into a Qanon website.

No done good, indoctrination working.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Human Events - Media Bias/Fact Check (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/human-events/)

I will wait until the Presidents report is made public to draw conclusions or waste my time "theorizing"

[Stu from NYC]

Very possible that the Chinese were developing biological agents to attack other countries and the virus escaped.

Will see what develops

[Becca9800]

Human Events - Media Bias/Fact Check (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/human-events/)

I will wait until the Presidents report is made public to draw conclusions or waste my time "theorizing"

Grumpy, please don't put all your eggs into the government's basket. If these last 4+ years taught me nothing else I have learned that there's always more than meets the eye.

[Bucco]

Sometimes I need to check to be sure I didn’t accidentally log into a Qanon website.

I agree. If you stay with it and follow through, you have a great chance of tracing it back to one of their many sites.

Qanon has a major voice in beliefs of the right any more. Hard then to accept reality.

[Becca9800]

Sometimes I need to check to be sure I didn’t accidentally log into a Qanon website.

I read the Qanon posts on various sites only to keep abreast, rarely do I buy in. I oftentimes laugh out loud at the theories. That said, that doesn't mean that that all differing opinions are wo merit. I try to keep an open mind and consider the possibilities. Sometimes my opinion is changed by the differing opinion. Imagine?

[graciegirl]

I haven't read a thing about this supposed person who defected until I read this today here on TOTV. I really try to keep up on things. The source is right leaning and the journalists have not been without controversy.

I am myself right leaning, but I try always to vet my sources. Anyone can SAY or WRITE anything.

I am skeptical. I have to doubt this is true.

[manaboutown]

Very possible that the Chinese were developing biological agents to attack other countries and the virus escaped.

Will see what develops

It troubles me that the USA was at least in part funding the Wuhan bioweapons lab. Why?

The CCP locked Wuhan, a city of many millions, down hard early on and concealed what had really happened. The head of WHO is their boy so WHO pumped out disinformation, the wet market and so on. However the timing of the release of the Wuhan virus could not have been more propitious for the CCP's multifaceted aspirations.

A Wuhan research scientist, Dr. Li-Meng Yan, issued an early warning. I do not know what happened to her. NoCookies | The Australian (https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/chinese-defector-virologist-dr-limeng-yan-publishes-report-claiming-covid19-was-made-in-a-lab/news-story/36decb0c2bca253b696dec0cb665c970)

[Stu from NYC]

It troubles me that the USA was at least in part funding the Wuhan bioweapons lab. Why?

The CCP locked Wuhan, a city of many millions, down hard early on and concealed what had really happened. The head of WHO is their boy so WHO pumped out disinformation, the wet market and so on. However the timing of the release of the Wuhan virus could not have been more propitious for the CCP's multifaceted aspirations.

A Wuhan research scientist, Dr. Li-Meng Yan, issued an early warning. I do not know what happened to her. NoCookies | The Australian (https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/chinese-defector-virologist-dr-limeng-yan-publishes-report-claiming-covid19-was-made-in-a-lab/news-story/36decb0c2bca253b696dec0cb665c970)

There are a number of reasons that this could be true and because we somehow were dumb enough to fund this site could be the govt is hiding this from us.

[Topspinmo]

Human Events - Media Bias/Fact Check (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/human-events/)

I will wait until the Presidents report is made public to draw conclusions or waste my time "theorizing"

Don’t hold you’re breath.

[Topspinmo]

I agree. If you stay with it and follow through, you have a great chance of tracing it back to one of their many sites.

Qanon has a major voice in beliefs of the right any more. Hard then to accept reality.

Just wow. Talking about reality. LOL

[Topspinmo]

I haven't read a thing about this supposed person who defected until I read this today here on TOTV. I really try to keep up on things. The source is right leaning and the journalists have not been without controversy.

I am myself right leaning, but I try always to vet my sources. Anyone can SAY or WRITE anything.

I am skeptical. I have to doubt this is true.

So the Chinese guy didn’t defect? And that’s why CCP wants him back?

[Becca9800]

I haven't read a thing about this supposed person who defected until I read this today here on TOTV. I really try to keep up on things. The source is right leaning and the journalists have not been without controversy.

I am myself right leaning, but I try always to vet my sources. Anyone can SAY or WRITE anything.

I am skeptical. I have to doubt this is true.

Me too, skeptical. But I'm willing to wait and see if anything further surfaces.

[JMintzer]

There are a number of reasons that this could be true and because we somehow were dumb enough to fund this site could be the govt is hiding this from us.

Ask Fauci... He's the one who quietly reinstated the "gain of function" research funding after Obama had stopped it...

[Becca9800]

Ask Fauci... He's the one who quietly reinstated the "gain of function" research funding after Obama had stopped it...

Correction: Obama approved it, 45 stopped the funding.

[Bucco]

Just wow. Talking about reality. LOL

QAnon Now as Popular in U.S. as Some Major Religions, Poll Suggests - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/27/us/politics/qanon-republicans-trump.html)

QAnon Could Destroy the Republican Party From Within, Warns GOP Rep: CNN (https://www.businessinsider.com/qanon-could-destroy-the-republican-party-from-within-warns-gop-rep-cnn-2021-4)

[Bucco]

Just wow. Talking about reality. LOL

QAnon Now as Popular in U.S. as Some Major Religions, Poll Suggests - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/27/us/politics/qanon-republicans-trump.html)

QAnon Could Destroy the Republican Party From Within, Warns GOP Rep: CNN (https://www.businessinsider.com/qanon-could-destroy-the-republican-party-from-within-warns-gop-rep-cnn-2021-4)

[Bucco]

Just wow. Talking about reality. LOL

QAnon Now as Popular in U.S. as Some Major Religions, Poll Suggests - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/27/us/politics/qanon-republicans-trump.html)

QAnon Could Destroy the Republican Party From Within, Warns GOP Rep: CNN (https://www.businessinsider.com/qanon-could-destroy-the-republican-party-from-within-warns-gop-rep-cnn-2021-4)

[Bucco]

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[Bucco]

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[Bucco]

Just wow. Talking about reality. LOL

QAnon Now as Popular in U.S. as Some Major Religions, Poll Suggests - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/27/us/politics/qanon-republicans-trump.html)

QAnon Could Destroy the Republican Party From Within, Warns GOP Rep: CNN (https://www.businessinsider.com/qanon-could-destroy-the-republican-party-from-within-warns-gop-rep-cnn-2021-4)

[Becca9800]

QAnon Now as Popular in U.S. as Some Major Religions, Poll Suggests - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/27/us/politics/qanon-republicans-trump.html)

QAnon Could Destroy the Republican Party From Within, Warns GOP Rep: CNN (https://www.businessinsider.com/qanon-could-destroy-the-republican-party-from-within-warns-gop-rep-cnn-2021-4)

"Poll Suggests" says New York Times
Anything CNN

When I post a resource to prove a point, I tend to find a source agreeable to the audience I'm addressing. Trust me on this one, CNN nor the NYT serves that purpose in this case.Both lack all credibility with your audience. Js.

[Bucco]

"Poll Suggests" says New York Times
Anything CNN

When I post a resource to prove a point, I tend to find a source agreeable to the audience I'm addressing. Trust me on this one, CNN nor the NYT serves that purpose in this case.Both lack all credibility with your audience. Js.

Don't want to get philosophical, but when I post, I try to address the subject and the truth. I have no desire for "likes" or anyone's approval. In the last few years, that is impossible.

Qanon has basically became the impetus behind a lot, not all, of the conspiracy theories....going back as far as 2016, and has a growing influence on all of the right. Now we have avowed members of congress who attest to all they say.

As a PS, when posting a link, I try very hard to double check their reports so everything is accurate, and that "used to be" the norm on this forum

[JMintzer]

Correction: Obama approved it, 45 stopped the funding.

I'd agree with you, but then, we'd both be wrong...

White House to Cut Funding for Risky Biological Study - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/white-house-to-cut-funding-for-risky-biological-study.html)

NIH lifts ban on dangerous pathogen research | Association of Health Care Journalists (https://healthjournalism.org/blog/2018/01/nih-lifts-ban-on-dangerous-pathogen-research/)

Fauci was instrumental in reinstating the funding, under the radar. He even bragged about it in a speech he gave...

[Becca9800]

I'd agree with you, but then, we'd both be wrong...

White House to Cut Funding for Risky Biological Study - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/white-house-to-cut-funding-for-risky-biological-study.html)

NIH lifts ban on dangerous pathogen research | Association of Health Care Journalists (https://healthjournalism.org/blog/2018/01/nih-lifts-ban-on-dangerous-pathogen-research/)

Fauci was instrumental in reinstating the funding, under the radar. He even bragged about it in a speech he gave...

Trump admin pulls NIH grant for coronavirus research over ties to Wuhan lab at heart of conspiracy theories - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-admin-pulls-nih-grant-coronavirus-research-ties/story?id=70418101)

[JMintzer]

Trump admin pulls NIH grant for coronavirus research over ties to Wuhan lab at heart of conspiracy theories - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-admin-pulls-nih-grant-coronavirus-research-ties/story?id=70418101)

Yes, after he found out that Fauci had reinstated the funding (after Obama's ban)...

Look, I was no fan of Obama, but he did get some things right, and this is one of them...

[Aloha1]

QAnon Now as Popular in U.S. as Some Major Religions, Poll Suggests - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/27/us/politics/qanon-republicans-trump.html)

QAnon Could Destroy the Republican Party From Within, Warns GOP Rep: CNN (https://www.businessinsider.com/qanon-could-destroy-the-republican-party-from-within-warns-gop-rep-cnn-2021-4)
So now you're a conspiracy theorist? ROFLMAO! Oh, and don't forget about AOC and Omar on your favorite group as long as you're talking about "destructive" forces. Gotta stop now. Too busy laughing.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Grumpy, please don't put all your eggs into the government's basket. If these last 4+ years taught me nothing else I have learned that there's always more than meets the eye.

I absolutely and completely agree. There is no way we can know what is "actually" going on in the world. We all get a serving of made up news by all the powers that be.

[Aloha1]

Don't want to get philosophical, but when I post, I try to address the subject and the truth. I have no desire for "likes" or anyone's approval. In the last few years, that is impossible.

Qanon has basically became the impetus behind a lot, not all, of the conspiracy theories....going back as far as 2016, and has a growing influence on all of the right. Now we have avowed members of congress who attest to all they say.

As a PS, when posting a link, I try very hard to double check their reports so everything is accurate, and that "used to be" the norm on this forum

Keyboard get stuck? Why post the same thing multiple times? Guess you didn't "double check" your typing. Oh, and you can't delete a post by adding another post. Glad to help.

[gdennis317]

A Chinese vice minister of State Security defected to the United States in February to give information about the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which changed the Biden Administration’s viewpoint on the origins of the pandemic.

Dong Jingwei has been working with the Defense Intelligence Agency for a few months. He allegedly flew to the United States to visit his daughter at a university in California. He “hid in plain sight” for about two weeks before disappearing into DIA custody, according to Red State.

Dong allegedly has detailed information about China’s special weapons systems, the Chinese military’s operation of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the origins of COVID-19 and the Chinese government’s assets and sources within the U.S.

Dong provided the DIA with the following information:

Early pathogenic studies of the virus we now know as SARS-CoV-2
Models of predicted COVID-19 spread and damage to the U.S. and the world
Financial records detailing which organizations and governments funded the research on SARS-CoV-2 and other biological warfare research
Names of U.S. citizens who provide intel to China
Names of Chinese spies working in the U.S. or attending U.S. universities
Financial records showing U.S. businessmen and public officials who’ve received money from the Chinese government
Details of meetings between U.S. government officials and Chinese spies and members of Russia’s SVR
How the Chinese government gained access to a CIA communications system, leading to the death of dozens of Chinese people who were working with the CIA

REPORT: Top Chinese Intelligence Official Defected to U.S. With Wuhan Documents | Human Events (https://humanevents.com/2021/06/18/report-top-chinese-intelligence-official-defected-to-u-s-with-wuhan-documents/)

This is probable reason White House switched stance on lab leak theory.


All info regarding this is unsubstantiated rumors at this point. Maybe yes, maybe no.

[J1ceasar]

I believe that a) I don't care
B) if we can't punish Venezuela, n . Korea, . Iraq Iran .
C) what will we do to China?
D) nothing

[JohnnyT]

Germ warfare? Guess that ain't new. Most folks with common sense already KNEW that this virus did not come from some meat market. Now, on to the motive. How many vote for: Chinese gov wishing to cripple world economy?

I believe the CCP deliberately released this virus because of the impact President Trump inflicted on them. President Trump was impacting their economy and causing high unemployment rates and loss of billions of dollars in revenue because he imposed tariffs and penalties as well as making China to "Pay Up". Once the President closed down travel from China, China started to come in to the USA through Canada and Europe which infected the world.

This is my opinion and not a conspiracy theory.

[Hiltongrizz11]

Human Events - Media Bias/Fact Check (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/human-events/)

I will wait until the Presidents report is made public to draw conclusions or waste my time "theorizing"


You can go ahead and wait for the president's report. You're ignorant if you think you can trust it and you're ignorant if you think it's going to be accurate. One of the most controversial issues that we face and you think they're going to be open and honest to the public about results?

There was only one way for the Dems to win the last election; to take out our former president and wipe out the economy. Only with those two factors the Democrats even have a chance to win that election.

What do you think happened and why? Wake up!

[Bay Kid]

I often wonder nowadays who is running our country now. These people are willing to do all that is necessary to do anything to destroy our country. Our current leadership is just a pawn for whoever is pulling the strings.

[WesMan]

A Chinese vice minister of State Security defected to the United States in February to give information about the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which changed the Biden Administration’s viewpoint on the origins of the pandemic.

Dong Jingwei has been working with the Defense Intelligence Agency for a few months. He allegedly flew to the United States to visit his daughter at a university in California. He “hid in plain sight” for about two weeks before disappearing into DIA custody, according to Red State.

Dong allegedly has detailed information about China’s special weapons systems, the Chinese military’s operation of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the origins of COVID-19 and the Chinese government’s assets and sources within the U.S.

Dong provided the DIA with the following information:

Early pathogenic studies of the virus we now know as SARS-CoV-2
Models of predicted COVID-19 spread and damage to the U.S. and the world
Financial records detailing which organizations and governments funded the research on SARS-CoV-2 and other biological warfare research
Names of U.S. citizens who provide intel to China
Names of Chinese spies working in the U.S. or attending U.S. universities
Financial records showing U.S. businessmen and public officials who’ve received money from the Chinese government
Details of meetings between U.S. government officials and Chinese spies and members of Russia’s SVR
How the Chinese government gained access to a CIA communications system, leading to the death of dozens of Chinese people who were working with the CIA

REPORT: Top Chinese Intelligence Official Defected to U.S. With Wuhan Documents | Human Events (https://humanevents.com/2021/06/18/report-top-chinese-intelligence-official-defected-to-u-s-with-wuhan-documents/)

This is probable reason White House switched stance on lab leak theory.
So what will Joey do????....... Nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[graciegirl]

This is from the Diplomat which is a paper read widely in the Asian-Pacific-Australia part of the world. Seems pretty respected.

It is not a defense or accuser on this topic of who funded and why but gives a little not American background information.

Why Would the US Have Funded the Controversial Wuhan Lab? – The Diplomat (https://thediplomat.com/2020/05/why-would-the-us-have-funded-the-controversial-wuhan-lab/)

[Petersweeney]

So here is what I learned today - a Chinese named Dong had the balls to defect and ****ed the CCP off.....man some people just love to shove it in our faces.....just sayin....

[Andyb]

Looks like Trump was right again.

[Cheapbas]

….and these top secret documents are being stored on Hunter Biden’s laptop

[ithos]

Don't want to get philosophical, but when I post, I try to address the subject and the truth. I have no desire for "likes" or anyone's approval. In the last few years, that is impossible.

Qanon has basically became the impetus behind a lot, not all, of the conspiracy theories....going back as far as 2016, and has a growing influence on all of the right. Now we have avowed members of congress who attest to all they say.

As a PS, when posting a link, I try very hard to double check their reports so everything is accurate, and that "used to be" the norm on this forum

Is Jon Stuart a member of Qanon? Jon Stewart On Vaccine Science And The Wuhan Lab Theory - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSfejgwbDQ8)


Have you ever considered using critical reasoning and keeping an open mind rather than parroting everything you hear from the government, big tech or big media? Any independent minded person who does their own due diligence will come to an inescapable conclusion.

WE WERE LIED TO!

Consider these two facts. In a country roughly the size of the US, the virus breaks out in a city containing China's only Bio level 4 lab.
Only one lab in China can safely handle the new coronavirus | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/china-lab-meets-biosafety-levels-new-coronavirus.html)

Despite previous denials the lab performed gain of function experiments on ... you guessed it Covid viruses from bats.
WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Footage proves bats were kept in Wuhan lab | Sky News Australia (https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6258639874001)
Evidence mounts Wuhan lab studied live bats despite denials (https://news.yahoo.com/evidence-mounts-wuhan-lab-studied-193700731.html)

A member of the World Health Organisation team investigating the origin of the pandemic in Wuhan, zoologist Peter Daszak said it was a conspiracy to suggest bats were held at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

After a year of censorship and political interference, the damn is bursting as virtually every scientists is now admitting that the the lab leak is now credible and many have concluded that it was highly probable.

Also consider that the only direct investigation conducted by the WHO was a sham.
From a left wing rag:

The Lab-Leak Theory: Inside the Fight to Uncover COVID-19’s Origins | Vanity Fair (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins)

[Gray lady of the sea]

Absolutely agree !!!

[Proveone]

A Chinese vice minister of State Security defected to the United States in February to give information about the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which changed the Biden Administration’s viewpoint on the origins of the pandemic.

Dong Jingwei has been working with the Defense Intelligence Agency for a few months. He allegedly flew to the United States to visit his daughter at a university in California. He “hid in plain sight” for about two weeks before disappearing into DIA custody, according to Red State.

Dong allegedly has detailed information about China’s special weapons systems, the Chinese military’s operation of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the origins of COVID-19 and the Chinese government’s assets and sources within the U.S.

Dong provided the DIA with the following information:

Early pathogenic studies of the virus we now know as SARS-CoV-2
Models of predicted COVID-19 spread and damage to the U.S. and the world
Financial records detailing which organizations and governments funded the research on SARS-CoV-2 and other biological warfare research
Names of U.S. citizens who provide intel to China
Names of Chinese spies working in the U.S. or attending U.S. universities
Financial records showing U.S. businessmen and public officials who’ve received money from the Chinese government
Details of meetings between U.S. government officials and Chinese spies and members of Russia’s SVR
How the Chinese government gained access to a CIA communications system, leading to the death of dozens of Chinese people who were working with the CIA

REPORT: Top Chinese Intelligence Official Defected to U.S. With Wuhan Documents | Human Events (https://humanevents.com/2021/06/18/report-top-chinese-intelligence-official-defected-to-u-s-with-wuhan-documents/)

This is probable reason White House switched stance on lab leak theory.

So you are getting your "information" from a Right Wing Conservative Blogger, really. Even if Covid 19 originated from the lab in Wuhan, China, we don't know if it was done on purpose or an accident. Either way, it doesn't excuse the pathetic response from the former US Fake/Grifter loser who was in charge of our government who failed to protect US citizens!

[graciegirl]

Until I see proof, I see nothing that makes Dr. Fauci be part of something planned to harm us.

I am a fiscal conservative. I am a person who strongly believes that most of our scientists have ethical motives. I am a person who knows that the press is motivated and financially fueled by click bait and that most politicians are not statesmen or women.

Not all people, no matter HOW they vote can be trusted to use true critical thinking. Not me, not you, not anyone. We all have our own agenda. Smart is whether or not someone agrees with you. Fear engenders a lot of theories. Getting to the truth of anything is the biggest obstacle mankind has.

[PugMom]

Wuhan lab leak might be a lot more than a conspiracy theory, but I guess your in the group that makes determinations without the true facts and evidence .

i understand what she meant: there's already enough surrounding corona, this is just 1 more factoid.

[hrenner]

A Chinese vice minister of State Security defected to the United States in February to give information about the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which changed the Biden Administration’s viewpoint on the origins of the pandemic.

Dong Jingwei has been working with the Defense Intelligence Agency for a few months. He allegedly flew to the United States to visit his daughter at a university in California. He “hid in plain sight” for about two weeks before disappearing into DIA custody, according to Red State.

Dong allegedly has detailed information about China’s special weapons systems, the Chinese military’s operation of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the origins of COVID-19 and the Chinese government’s assets and sources within the U.S.

Dong provided the DIA with the following information:

Early pathogenic studies of the virus we now know as SARS-CoV-2
Models of predicted COVID-19 spread and damage to the U.S. and the world
Financial records detailing which organizations and governments funded the research on SARS-CoV-2 and other biological warfare research
Names of U.S. citizens who provide intel to China
Names of Chinese spies working in the U.S. or attending U.S. universities
Financial records showing U.S. businessmen and public officials who’ve received money from the Chinese government
Details of meetings between U.S. government officials and Chinese spies and members of Russia’s SVR
How the Chinese government gained access to a CIA communications system, leading to the death of dozens of Chinese people who were working with the CIA

REPORT: Top Chinese Intelligence Official Defected to U.S. With Wuhan Documents | Human Events (https://humanevents.com/2021/06/18/report-top-chinese-intelligence-official-defected-to-u-s-with-wuhan-documents/)

This is probable reason White House switched stance on lab leak theory.

If you check out the website, you see it is a far right wing site with every article bashing the left.
Fake news. Get info from a better source

[hrenner]

Your facts are from a far right website. Funny you believe it

[Bucco]

Until I see proof, I see nothing that makes Dr. Fauci be part of something planned to harm us.

I am a fiscal conservative. I am a person who strongly believes that most of our scientists have ethical motives. I am a person who knows that the press is motivated and financially fueled by click bait and that most politicians are not statesmen or women.

Not all people, no matter HOW they vote can be trusted to use true critical thinking. Not me, not you, not anyone. We all have our own agenda. Smart is whether or not someone agrees with you. Fear engenders a lot of theories. Getting to the truth of anything is the biggest obstacle mankind has.

And you will see no proof.

The party of hate and fear always attacks personally, tries to destroy, but very very seldom offers any valid arguments.

And as they add QAnon to the congress because the followers seem to love that ind of thing, it will get worse...

Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene introduced two pieces of legislation called the ‘Fire Fauci Act’ and the ‘We Will Not Comply Act.’

Legislation Introduced To Fire Dr. Fauci And Ban Vaccine Passports | WTRF (https://www.wtrf.com/news/health/coronavirus/legislation-introduced-to-fire-dr-fauci-and-ban-vaccine-passports/)

[PugMom]

There are a number of reasons that this could be true and because we somehow were dumb enough to fund this site could be the govt is hiding this from us.

i read it was'nt just us, several countries were involved & provided funds for these experiments. will try to find link, Stu, but yeah, excellent point.

[Irishmen]

Human Events - Media Bias/Fact Check (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/human-events/)

I will wait until the Presidents report is made public to draw conclusions or waste my time "theorizing"

that's cool....nobody wants to admit they were scammed

[ithos]

So you are getting your "information" from a Right Wing Conservative Blogger, really. Even if Covid 19 originated from the lab in Wuhan, China, we don't know if it was done on purpose or an accident. Either way, it doesn't excuse the pathetic response from the former US Fake/Grifter loser who was in charge of our government who failed to protect US citizens!

Instead of spewing an ad hominem statement, could you be more specific? You provide no reference or rational explanation to back up such a scurrilous attack.

I would be interested in your evidence based reasoning assuming that all mind consuming hate has not rendered you incapable of critical thought.

[Irishmen]

And you will see no proof.

The party of hate and fear always attacks personally, tries to destroy, but very very seldom offers any valid arguments.

And as they add QAnon to the congress because the followers seem to love that ind of thing, it will get worse...

Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene introduced two pieces of legislation called the ‘Fire Fauci Act’ and the ‘We Will Not Comply Act.’

Legislation Introduced To Fire Dr. Fauci And Ban Vaccine Passports | WTRF (https://www.wtrf.com/news/health/coronavirus/legislation-introduced-to-fire-dr-fauci-and-ban-vaccine-passports/)

LOL. :1rotfl:

[Irishmen]

Instead of spewing an ad hominem statement, could you be more specific? You provide no reference or rational explanation to back up such a scurrilous attack.

I would be interested in your evidence based reasoning assuming that all mind consuming hate has not rendered you incapable of critical thought.

China loves the US. China wants what's best for us. China is our friend and would never do anything to harm us. China has plenty of land and resources to fulfill their mandate from heaven for their 2 billion people. China now has a larger Navy. China is building 1 coal plant a week. Communist party is fun loving good time folks.

[Irishmen]

Until I see proof, I see nothing that makes Dr. Fauci be part of something planned to harm us.

I am a fiscal conservative. I am a person who strongly believes that most of our scientists have ethical motives. I am a person who knows that the press is motivated and financially fueled by click bait and that most politicians are not statesmen or women.

Not all people, no matter HOW they vote can be trusted to use true critical thinking. Not me, not you, not anyone. We all have our own agenda. Smart is whether or not someone agrees with you. Fear engenders a lot of theories. Getting to the truth of anything is the biggest obstacle mankind has.

Critical thinking would account who benefits from a shut down economy, power to lock down population, mail in ballots etc. Critical thinking would match what has happened in other countries to what is currently occurring on our land. Critical thinking indicates the government is not here to help you and would research The Great Reset what it means and How they will achieve their goals.

[Stu from NYC]

So you are getting your "information" from a Right Wing Conservative Blogger, really. Even if Covid 19 originated from the lab in Wuhan, China, we don't know if it was done on purpose or an accident. Either way, it doesn't excuse the pathetic response from the former US Fake/Grifter loser who was in charge of our government who failed to protect US citizens!

Guess we know who you voted for.

Have you noticed how quickly warp speed got us our vaccine?

[Spalumbos62]

Wuhan lab leak might be a lot more than a conspiracy theory, but I guess your in the group that makes determinations without the true facts and evidence .


Wow...you are contradicting yourself. First you agree on a possible theory, then you throw shade on someone who would make determinations without proof???
Go one way or another, but please, no insults

[OhioBuckeye]

A Chinese vice minister of State Security defected to the United States in February to give information about the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which changed the Biden Administration’s viewpoint on the origins of the pandemic.

Dong Jingwei has been working with the Defense Intelligence Agency for a few months. He allegedly flew to the United States to visit his daughter at a university in California. He “hid in plain sight” for about two weeks before disappearing into DIA custody, according to Red State.

Dong allegedly has detailed information about China’s special weapons systems, the Chinese military’s operation of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the origins of COVID-19 and the Chinese government’s assets and sources within the U.S.

Dong provided the DIA with the following information:

Early pathogenic studies of the virus we now know as SARS-CoV-2
Models of predicted COVID-19 spread and damage to the U.S. and the world
Financial records detailing which organizations and governments funded the research on SARS-CoV-2 and other biological warfare research
Names of U.S. citizens who provide intel to China
Names of Chinese spies working in the U.S. or attending U.S. universities
Financial records showing U.S. businessmen and public officials who’ve received money from the Chinese government
Details of meetings between U.S. government officials and Chinese spies and members of Russia’s SVR
How the Chinese government gained access to a CIA communications system, leading to the death of dozens of Chinese people who were working with the CIA

REPORT: Top Chinese Intelligence Official Defected to U.S. With Wuhan Documents | Human Events (https://humanevents.com/2021/06/18/report-top-chinese-intelligence-official-defected-to-u-s-with-wuhan-documents/)

This is probable reason White House switched stance on lab leak theory.

It’ll be interesting to see who the information gets turned over to & see if it gets out in national news!

[GrumpyOldMan]

Guess we know who you voted for.

Have you noticed how quickly warp speed got us our vaccine?

One of the continuing themes on this site is that the vaccines are not safe and people are not going to get vaccinated because they do not want to be a guinea pig.

Warp speed had very little to do with getting a vaccine, and a lot to do with reducing validation and testing requirements to make a vaccine safe.

[Spalumbos62]

Guess we know who you voted for.

Have you noticed how quickly warp speed got us our vaccine?


You are not seriously giving him credit for the vaccine???? Come on....all he did was start the buying process, then stand 1st in line, as he did with the curing drug he got in the hospital. Remember back in January when getting the vac was helter skelter...it was like winning the lottery...oh yea, he left office with already having his shot, as well as allot of reps that were somehow considered essential. Plllllezzzz!

[ithos]

You are not seriously giving him credit for the vaccine???? Come on....all he did was start the buying process, then stand 1st in line, as he did with the curing drug he got in the hospital. Remember back in January when getting the vac was helter skelter...it was like winning the lottery...oh yea, he left office with already having his shot, as well as allot of reps that were somehow considered essential. Plllllezzzz!

Covid-19 vaccine in 18 months? Experts are skeptical. - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/31/us/coronavirus-vaccine-timetable-concerns-experts-invs/index.html)

Yes. Thankfully he didn't take advice from Fauci on the vaccine or we would still be waiting for it.

, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), poured cold water on Trump's estimate, saying it would be more like a year to a year and a half.

[SkBlogW]

Until I see proof, I see nothing that makes Dr. Fauci be part of something planned to harm us.

These things are proven facts:

Fauci is a proponent of gain of function virus research

Fauci's NIH gave several million dollars in grants to Peter Daszak of the EcoHealth Alliance, and Peter Daszak is also a known proponent of gain of function research.

Daszak gave $600,000 of Fauci's funds to the Wuhan lab to study coronaviruses.

Not proven but looking more and more likely:

Wuhan lab conducted gain of function research on coronavirus, made it infectious to humans, and virus leaked into general population via exposed lab workers.

Does this mean Fauci wanted to start a global pandemic? Nope. But it's not a good look if the Wuhan lab he helped finance turns out to have unleashed an engineered virus upon the world.

Sorry to all the grannies who thought Fauci is "the bomb" and a "national treasure"

[tvbound]

Once again, history is trying to be warped and rewritten by a certain contingent. The first vaccine was developed by Pfizer, who did not take a penny from 'Operation Warp Speed.' That didn't stop certain people from trying to take credit for it though and the multitudes who were/are gullible enough to believe it.

[SkBlogW]

Once again, history is trying to be warped and rewritten by a certain contingent. The first vaccine was developed by Pfizer, who did not take a penny from 'Operation Warp Speed.' That didn't stop certain people from trying to take credit for it though and the multitudes who were/are gullible enough to believe it.

I don't think you understand how Operation warp speed worked. Here's a clue, it wasn't called Operation warp money. The government did offer vaccine R&D funding, which some smaller companies like Moderna accepted. In return, the government would get a little better price if and when vaccine was approved. Pfizer, who have more money than God, did not take the funding since they have tremendous amounts of capital, and wanted to protect their profits if their vaccine worked. I guess that makes them guilty of "predatory capitalism"

The reason Operation warp speed worked so well is because the government cleared all the bureaucratic hurdles that caused previous vaccine development to take 10 years. The government also incentivized vaccine developers by committing to billions of dollars of orders for any vaccine approved. More "predatory capitalism" or something.

[Becca9800]

Yes, after he found out that Fauci had reinstated the funding (after Obama's ban)...

Look, I was no fan of Obama, but he did get some things right, and this is one of them...

See 3rd P of your second article: "During the three-year ban on funding projects – known as “gain of function” research – the Department of Health and Human Services developed a framework on how such research may be conducted to protect the public. The research criteria were drafted during the Obama administration, but weren’t released until the end of 2017. 2017 is when Fauci quietly released the funds.

[Bucco]

I don't think you understand how Operation warp speed worked. Here's a clue, it wasn't called Operation warp money. The government did offer vaccine R&D funding, which some smaller companies like Moderna accepted. In return, the government would get a little better price if and when vaccine was approved. Pfizer, who have more money than God, did not take the funding since they have tremendous amounts of capital, and wanted to protect their profits if their vaccine worked. I guess that makes them guilty of "predatory capitalism"

The reason Operation warp speed worked so well is because the government cleared all the bureaucratic hurdles that caused previous vaccine development to take 10 years. The government also incentivized vaccine developers by committing to billions of dollars of orders for any vaccine approved. More "predatory capitalism" or something.

Yep, government "greased" the skid and it took lots of time out of the equation, yet the same folks who rave about that warp speed seem to complain about the safety of the vaccine.

I happen to think that warp speed helped Moderna for sure and Moderna and Johnson and Johnson and Pfizer to get temporary approval.

But, if you think it moved to fast and is unsafe how can you brag about the speed.

[Becca9800]

Once again, history is trying to be warped and rewritten by a certain contingent. The first vaccine was developed by Pfizer, who did not take a penny from 'Operation Warp Speed.' That didn't stop certain people from trying to take credit for it though and the multitudes who were/are gullible enough to believe it.

Pfizer made a sickening amount of money off the c19 vaccine, their major motive was not to help mankind. Read: This is how much Pfizer has made from the coronavirus vaccine (https://news.yahoo.com/much-pfizer-made-coronavirus-vaccine-161641497.html)

[Spalumbos62]

These things are proven facts:

Fauci is a proponent of gain of function virus research

Fauci's NIH gave several million dollars in grants to Peter Daszak of the EcoHealth Alliance, and Peter Daszak is also a known proponent of gain of function research.

Daszak gave $600,000 of Fauci's funds to the Wuhan lab to study coronaviruses.

Not proven but looking more and more likely:

Wuhan lab conducted gain of function research on coronavirus, made it infectious to humans, and virus leaked into general population via exposed lab workers.

Does this mean Fauci wanted to start a global pandemic? Nope. But it's not a good look if the Wuhan lab he helped finance turns out to have unleashed an engineered virus upon the world.

Sorry to all the grannies who thought Fauci is "the bomb" and a "national treasure"


Just because fauci gave money to lab doesn't mean he was involved at all.....that's like saying any person that gave money to trumps campaign was involved in the incirection

[lkagele]

Until I see proof, I see nothing that makes Dr. Fauci be part of something planned to harm us.

I am a fiscal conservative. I am a person who strongly believes that most of our scientists have ethical motives. I am a person who knows that the press is motivated and financially fueled by click bait and that most politicians are not statesmen or women.

Not all people, no matter HOW they vote can be trusted to use true critical thinking. Not me, not you, not anyone. We all have our own agenda. Smart is whether or not someone agrees with you. Fear engenders a lot of theories. Getting to the truth of anything is the biggest obstacle mankind has.

Agree about Fauci even though I've never liked him. I think he does, however, need to answer to why US $'s were given to China researchers.

Not sure I agree with your statement that our scientists are ethical. Most, probably but there are too many fueled by greed. China has easily manipulated many of our citizens in various industries simply by buying them off. Greed plus no sense of being a patriot is leading to the downfall of this country.

[Becca9800]

One of the continuing themes on this site is that the vaccines are not safe and people are not going to get vaccinated because they do not want to be a guinea pig.

Warp speed had very little to do with getting a vaccine, and a lot to do with reducing validation and testing requirements to make a vaccine safe.

AMEN! And I personally wish Trump would stop trying so hard to get the credit for this vaccine, he may well one day regret it.

[Spalumbos62]

once again, history is trying to be warped and rewritten by a certain contingent. The first vaccine was developed by pfizer, who did not take a penny from 'operation warp speed.' that didn't stop certain people from trying to take credit for it though and the multitudes who were/are gullible enough to believe it.

yes!!!! Thank you...

[SkBlogW]

Yep, government "greased" the skid and it took lots of time out of the equation, yet the same folks who rave about that warp speed seem to complain about the safety of the vaccine.

I happen to think that warp speed helped Moderna for sure and Moderna and Johnson and Johnson and Pfizer to get temporary approval.

But, if you think it moved to fast and is unsafe how can you brag about the speed.

What are you raving about now? I got my first shot of the vaccine on the very first day Publix scheduled the shots. You seem to think that people who recognize the success of warp speed are anti vaccine people? How ludicrous!

If you want to talk about people who are resistant to the vaccine you might want to start with employees at the NIH CDC FDA etc because only 50-60% of them accepted the vaccine.

[paquino]

WOW! What a thread. We really have made this country great again. Look at all the experts here!

[I'm Popeye!]

"If you check out the website, you see it is a far right wing site with every article bashing the left".
"Fake news. Get info from a better source
Your facts are from a far right website. Funny you believe it"
So I guess your saying, if the leftest media don't report on this situation it's not true! :confused:
Short Note: The leftest media are always behind the time and will apologize next month on page 28. :ho:

[SkBlogW]

So I guess your saying, if the leftest media don't report on this situation it's not true! :confused:
Short Note: The leftest media are always behind the time and will apologize next month on page 28. :ho:

Yes it's boring when people think only their sources are accurate. They think if CNN NYT MSNBC etc don't have the story it can't be true. It's sad because the very sources they trust peddled lie after lie about Russian collusion for 4 years You'd think they might wake up.

[jimjamuser]

Wuhan lab leak might be a lot more than a conspiracy theory, but I guess your in the group that makes determinations without the true facts and evidence .
It would be NICE to know if CV started in a lab or was a crossover from bats to humans. But, the chances of prying the TRUTH from China are slim. And it is NOT very important to the average citizen in ANY part of the world. Do the people coming in over the Southern Border care about the CV origins.......doubtful? Personally, I don't waste my time spinning my brain for things like that, which are unresolvable. How many brain cells do I REALLY want to devote to questions like, "is there a God"? I might need to study the Wuhan controversy, if I was a top-level CIA or other spy manager, but I am NOT. So, to me, it matters NAUGHT!

[GrumpyOldMan]

So I guess your saying, if the leftest media don't report on this situation it's not true! :confused:
Short Note: The leftest media are always behind the time and will apologize next month on page 28. :ho:

Hmm, I interpreted it as the site linked has a history of failing fact checks. The fact it is a right-leaning site is not important to me, just another detail.

[GrumpyOldMan]

It would be NICE to know if CV started in a lab or was a crossover from bats to humans. But, the chances of prying the TRUTH from China are slim. And it is NOT very important to the average citizen in ANY part of the world. Do the people coming in over the Southern Border care about the CV origins.......doubtful? Personally, I don't waste my time spinning my brain for things like that, which are unresolvable. How many brain cells do I REALLY want to devote to questions like, "is there a God"? I might need to study the Wuhan controversy, if I was a top-level CIA or other spy manager, but I am NOT. So, to me, it matters NAUGHT!

I agree. The chances of actual facts about this being made public are very slim. The US has a long-standing biological warfare program itself, which was supposed to be disbanded ages ago.

If China released the virus on purpose, that could be an international crime against humanity and should be investigated. But, that seems very unlikely, since releasing a biological warfare agent in your own country is not very smart.

[Irishmen]

just because fauci gave money to lab doesn't mean he was involved at all.....that's like saying any person that gave money to trumps campaign was involved in the incirection

lol

[Irishmen]

Hmm, I interpreted it as the site linked has a history of failing fact checks. The fact it is a right-leaning site is not important to me, just another detail.

While CNN plays all day long

[cagedbirdflies]

Germ warfare? Guess that ain't new. Most folks with common sense already KNEW that this virus did not come from some meat market. Now, on to the motive. How many vote for: Chinese gov wishing to cripple world economy?

Been my theory from day 1. China has been out to take control of the world for years. What better way then to cripple nations all over the world?

[jimjamuser]

Pointless conspiracy theory? So the President is guilty of this?

Direct quote: Nevertheless, shortly after I became President, in March, I had my National Security Advisor task the Intelligence Community to prepare a report on their most up-to-date analysis of the origins of COVID-19, including whether it emerged from human contact with an infected animal or from a laboratory accident. I received that report earlier this month, and asked for additional follow-up. As of today, the U.S. Intelligence Community has “coalesced around two likely scenarios” but has not reached a definitive conclusion on this question. Here is their current position: “while two elements in the IC leans toward the former scenario and one leans more toward the latter – each with low or moderate confidence – the majority of elements do not believe there is sufficient information to assess one to be more likely than the other.”

There are 3 basic scenarios:

1: Virus evolved naturally, went from bats to intermediate animal to humans (zoonotic)

2. Virus was manipulated to infect humans in gain of function experiments at Wuhan lab, leaked or released by infected lab workers into general population of Wuhan

3. Virus was manipulated to infect humans and released on purpose as bioweapon

1. So far, after over a year of trapping 1000s of animals that could be intermediate hosts has come up with bubkis, not a single spec of scientific proof of zoonotic origin. Also, the bats that carry coronaviruses live about 800 miles from Wuhan, if zooonotic origin why were zero cases found in humans in that area before it hit Wuhan?

2. Occams razor, virus attack started in Wuhan, the exact same place where a Level 4 Lab was studying coronavirus found in bats. Lab had documented safety issues. 3 workers at the lab were hospitalized with mysterious lung infections in November 2019. Chinese Government has never allowed a single western scientist to inspect the Wuhan lab records, most likely they have been destroyed. Several Chinese Drs and scientists were silenced after speaking out early in the outbreak. Several prominent scientists have declared that the virus has characteristics of being engineered.

3. I don't believe this one, it would be crazy to do this, but you never know.
Various militaries are ALWAYS looking for a weapon to give themselves an edge. And there are MANY evil people in power. I believe that it IS possible that CV originated in a lab. But, it is ALL speculation - above MY pay grade.

[GeriS]

Human Events - Media Bias/Fact Check (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/human-events/)

I will wait until the Presidents report is made public to draw conclusions or waste my time "theorizing"
The president??? He barely knows his name. Haven't you seen his strings?

[GeriS]

QAnon Now as Popular in U.S. as Some Major Religions, Poll Suggests - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/27/us/politics/qanon-republicans-trump.html)

QAnon Could Destroy the Republican Party From Within, Warns GOP Rep: CNN (https://www.businessinsider.com/qanon-could-destroy-the-republican-party-from-within-warns-gop-rep-cnn-2021-4)
Everyone will remember what they were doing the moment they realized the crazy people were right.

[jimjamuser]

It just seems like sloppy maintenance to me that was then covered up. And this would be very hard for say the Chinese intelligence agency to keep a lid on especially after the Corona Virus got out of China. I do not think that if they had a weapon like this they ever would have deliberately let it out as they would not longer be able to use it against their enemies.
Or they DID use it? They set the Western countries back economically and caused MANY wedge issues and China's economy rebounded faster. They even made some $ selling THEIR vaccine. So, as a conspiracy case, you can say that they had a WIN!

[jimjamuser]

Sometimes I need to check to be sure I didn’t accidentally log into a Qanon website.
Great humor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Very possible that the Chinese were developing biological agents to attack other countries and the virus escaped.

Will see what develops
Yes possible. And I bet that around 10 countries in the world have similar capabilities and programs.

[jimjamuser]

I read the Qanon posts on various sites only to keep abreast, rarely do I buy in. I oftentimes laugh out loud at the theories. That said, that doesn't mean that that all differing opinions are wo merit. I try to keep an open mind and consider the possibilities. Sometimes my opinion is changed by the differing opinion. Imagine?
Curiosity in Qanon and other dark media could lead you down a rabbit hole of no return. BE careful.

[jimjamuser]

"Poll Suggests" says New York Times
Anything CNN

When I post a resource to prove a point, I tend to find a source agreeable to the audience I'm addressing. Trust me on this one, CNN nor the NYT serves that purpose in this case.Both lack all credibility with your audience. Js.
I like their credibility!!!!!!!!!

[Two Bills]

Pfizer made a sickening amount of money off the c19 vaccine, their major motive was not to help mankind. Read: This is how much Pfizer has made from the coronavirus vaccine (https://news.yahoo.com/much-pfizer-made-coronavirus-vaccine-161641497.html)

They may not keep it all.
The German company BioNTech that ceated the Pfizer vaccine will get a good lump of profits.

[ithos]

WOW! What a thread. We really have made this country great again. Look at all the experts here!

This is a far better source than the Major news networks which are propaganda appendages of a political party.

You will see many posts full of misinformation but at least you will be exposed to opposing arguments. I do, however, wish people would provide references or coherent reasoning rather than spewing gratuitous insults about public figures and in doing so believe that they have made a compelling argument. Those are the faux "experts" who are knee jerk ideologues.

[Becca9800]

Curiosity in Qanon and other dark media could lead you down a rabbit hole of no return. BE careful.

I'm more careful to keep an open mind. The way things are going, one just never knows "where the truth lies".

[GrumpyOldMan]

The president??? He barely knows his name. Haven't you seen his strings?

Very funny, you have a great sense of humor.

[GrumpyOldMan]

I'm more careful to keep an open mind. The way things are going, one just never knows "where the truth lies".

I expect Jewish LASERS starting fires in CA are not true.
I expect HRC wearing masks make from children's faces are not true.
I expect MOST of what QANON says is not true.

And when people in positions of power repeat these "theories", that removes any credibility they may have.

But, that is just me being closed-minded and not giving craziness the benefit of the doubt.

[golfing eagles]

Very possible that the Chinese were developing biological agents to attack other countries and the virus escaped.

Will see what develops

Maybe, but if so it is the most lame bioweapon ever developed. It primarily killed the very old and those with serious co-morbidities. You want a bioweapon to at least kill the young people who comprise the military

[jimjamuser]

I believe that a) I don't care
B) if we can't punish Venezuela, n . Korea, . Iraq Iran .
C) what will we do to China?
D) nothing
AS far as C and D go........we are trying to do something. We are trying to bring lost manufacturing jobs (and unions for higher pay) back to US shores. That would help raise wages and stop the shortages we are seeing now - build, back, better!

[manaboutown]

The president??? He barely knows his name. Haven't you seen his strings?

He has to do as he is told or he will "get in trouble", his words, not mine.

[jimjamuser]

You can go ahead and wait for the president's report. You're ignorant if you think you can trust it and you're ignorant if you think it's going to be accurate. One of the most controversial issues that we face and you think they're going to be open and honest to the public about results?

There was only one way for the Dems to win the last election; to take out our former president and wipe out the economy. Only with those two factors the Democrats even have a chance to win that election.

What do you think happened and why? Wake up!
Someone is in a strange, unrealistic dimension and it is NOT Grumpy!

[Becca9800]

I expect Jewish LASERS starting fires in CA are not true.
I expect HRC wearing masks make from children's faces are not true.
I expect MOST of what QANON says is not true.

And when people in positions of power repeat these "theories", that removes any credibility they may have.

But, that is just me being closed-minded and not giving craziness the benefit of the doubt.

I've never heard one person in a position of power speak of 'Jewish LASERS starting fires in CA' or that 'HRC wears masks make from children's faces'. In fact, I've never heard these claims period prior to you. Clue me in, where are you hearing that info? And which people in power have repeated it?

[jimjamuser]

Once again, history is trying to be warped and rewritten by a certain contingent. The first vaccine was developed by Pfizer, who did not take a penny from 'Operation Warp Speed.' That didn't stop certain people from trying to take credit for it though and the multitudes who were/are gullible enough to believe it.
Finally a "truth-teller" about warp speed.

[Bucco]

I've never heard one person in a position of power speak of 'Jewish LASERS starting fires in CA' or that 'HRC wears masks make from children's faces'. In fact, I've never heard these claims period prior to you. Clue me in, where are you hearing that info? And which people in power have repeated it?

A sitting congresswoman not only said it but is deeply entrenched in all of this.


GOP Congresswoman Blamed Wildfires on Jewish Space Laser (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/marjorie-taylor-greene-qanon-wildfires-space-laser-rothschild-execute.html)

[GrumpyOldMan]

Finally a "truth-teller" about warp speed.

Almost true, the actual mRNA technology was developed by a German company with whom they partnered to manufacture it and deploy it.

[JMintzer]

So you are getting your "information" from a Right Wing Conservative Blogger, really. Even if Covid 19 originated from the lab in Wuhan, China, we don't know if it was done on purpose or an accident. Either way, it doesn't excuse the pathetic response from the former US Fake/Grifter loser who was in charge of our government who failed to protect US citizens!

You seem like such a nice person...

[JMintzer]

Until I see proof, I see nothing that makes Dr. Fauci be part of something planned to harm us.

I am a fiscal conservative. I am a person who strongly believes that most of our scientists have ethical motives. I am a person who knows that the press is motivated and financially fueled by click bait and that most politicians are not statesmen or women.

Not all people, no matter HOW they vote can be trusted to use true critical thinking. Not me, not you, not anyone. We all have our own agenda. Smart is whether or not someone agrees with you. Fear engenders a lot of theories. Getting to the truth of anything is the biggest obstacle mankind has.

Many scientists are motivated to keep the grant money flowing...

[JMintzer]

If you check out the website, you see it is a far right wing site with every article bashing the left.
Fake news. Get info from a better source

You you don't offer a syllable of proof to your accusation...

[JMintzer]

Your facts are from a far right website. Funny you believe it

Funny you can't refute it...

[Bucco]

I've never heard one person in a position of power speak of 'Jewish LASERS starting fires in CA' or that 'HRC wears masks make from children's faces'. In fact, I've never heard these claims period prior to you. Clue me in, where are you hearing that info? And which people in power have repeated it?

I am sure that you have heard the leader of the GOP talk about this......is not his invention but....

GOP Congresswoman Blamed Wildfires on Jewish Space Laser (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/marjorie-taylor-greene-qanon-wildfires-space-laser-rothschild-execute.html)

"QAnon adherents—who mostly slipped underground following President Joe Biden’s inauguration and a social media crackdown on conspiracy theories—are now galvanized behind the idea that Arizona’s controversial election audit will prove there was fraud, handing the state to former President Donald Trump, and then launching audits in other states that will eventually lead to reversing the election results, and putting Trump back in power."

This is pervasive in the part and over1/3 of GOP actually believe this to be true.

"Almost one in three Republican voters said it's at least somewhat likely that former President Donald Trump will be "reinstated" in 2021, showed a new Morning Consult poll, though there's no feasible way for this to occur. This included 17% of GOP voters who said it's "very likely" Trump will be reinstated."


29% of Republicans Say It's Likely Trump Will Be 'Reinstated' in 2021: Poll (https://www.businessinsider.com/29-percent-republicans-its-likely-trump-will-be-reinstated-poll-2021-6)

How does a country function with this kind of looney tune antics.

Hope you have been following the various court cases with th Jan 6 insurrection and hear what these people are saying about this as well.

[JMintzer]

And you will see no proof.

The party of hate and fear always attacks personally, tries to destroy, but very very seldom offers any valid arguments.

And as they add QAnon to the congress because the followers seem to love that ind of thing, it will get worse...

Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene introduced two pieces of legislation called the ‘Fire Fauci Act’ and the ‘We Will Not Comply Act.’

Legislation Introduced To Fire Dr. Fauci And Ban Vaccine Passports | WTRF (https://www.wtrf.com/news/health/coronavirus/legislation-introduced-to-fire-dr-fauci-and-ban-vaccine-passports/)

You just described the two posts immediately preceding yours...

Irony is ironic...

[GrumpyOldMan]

I've never heard one person in a position of power speak of 'Jewish LASERS starting fires in CA' or that 'HRC wears masks make from children's faces'. In fact, I've never heard these claims period prior to you. Clue me in, where are you hearing that info? And which people in power have repeated it?

I expect that you are intentionally baiting since those and many statements of similar veracity have been (and are) widely available.

Yes, in the case of Jewish Space LASERS she carefully worded her conspiracy-laden post to lay the blame on "lots of people are saying" type of comments. Giving voice to crazy ideas is one way to promote crazy ideas while leaving an out to later say, "Well, I never said exactly that".

[JMintzer]

One of the continuing themes on this site is that the vaccines are not safe and people are not going to get vaccinated because they do not want to be a guinea pig.

Warp speed had very little to do with getting a vaccine, and a lot to do with reducing validation and testing requirements to make a vaccine safe.

Ba, Ba, Ba, Bull****...

[Bucco]

I've never heard one person in a position of power speak of 'Jewish LASERS starting fires in CA' or that 'HRC wears masks make from children's faces'. In fact, I've never heard these claims period prior to you. Clue me in, where are you hearing that info? And which people in power have repeated it?

"Followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory are “gentle people waving American flags”, Fox News host Tucker Carlson claimed on Friday night – two months since many joined a mob that stormed the US Capitol seeking to overturn Donald Trump’s election defeat, a riot in which five people died."

QAnon’s ‘Domino Theory’ Explained: Here's The Bizarre Scenario That Has Trump Redeemed By The Arizona Audit—And Returning To The White House (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/05/19/qanons-domino-theory-explained-heres-the-bizarre-scenario-that-has-trump-redeemed-by-the-arizona-audit-and-returning-to-the-white-house/?sh=25cf3ee280d1)

Fox News host Tucker Carlson calls QAnon followers 'gentle' patriots | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/06/fox-news-host-tucker-carlson-qanon-followers)

"Carlson’s comments about QAnon believers echoed remarks by Trump, who last August told reporters: “I’ve heard these are people that love our country. So I don’t know really anything about it other than they do supposedly like me.”

[JMintzer]

Once again, history is trying to be warped and rewritten by a certain contingent. The first vaccine was developed by Pfizer, who did not take a penny from 'Operation Warp Speed.' That didn't stop certain people from trying to take credit for it though and the multitudes who were/are gullible enough to believe it.

No, but they got paid $1.95 BILLION to produce it...

[JMintzer]

See 3rd P of your second article: "During the three-year ban on funding projects – known as “gain of function” research – the Department of Health and Human Services developed a framework on how such research may be conducted to protect the public. The research criteria were drafted during the Obama administration, but weren’t released until the end of 2017. 2017 is when Fauci quietly released the funds.

Where did I say otherwise?

Like I said, gain of function research was stopped under Obama (in 2014), and then re-started (by Fauci), in 2017...

When Trump found out about it, he stopped it...

[JMintzer]

Yep, government "greased" the skid and it took lots of time out of the equation, yet the same folks who rave about that warp speed seem to complain about the safety of the vaccine.

I happen to think that warp speed helped Moderna for sure and Moderna and Johnson and Johnson and Pfizer to get temporary approval.

But, if you think it moved to fast and is unsafe how can you brag about the speed.

Again, bull****...

I've raved about Warp speed and I've taken the vaccine... So have most of my like minded friends...

[JMintzer]

Just because fauci gave money to lab doesn't mean he was involved at all.....that's like saying any person that gave money to trumps campaign was involved in the incirection

He gave a speech, promoting "gain of function"... And yes, there is evidence he was "involved in it"...

[Becca9800]

I expect Jewish LASERS starting fires in CA are not true.
I expect HRC wearing masks make from children's faces are not true.
I expect MOST of what QANON says is not true.

And when people in positions of power repeat these "theories", that removes any credibility they may have.

But, that is just me being closed-minded and not giving craziness the benefit of the doubt.

PS I don't bait. Ever. My responses are honest and sincere. I don't believe I've given you reason to think otherwise, yet you have.


Probably should have questioned what you were hearing, neither is true. But both are perfect examples of why we shouldn't believe everything we hear, even when it conforms to our ideology.

A story re: HRC & Masks made of the skin of dead children was reportedly on the dark web. Even Snopes didn't associate the garbage story w Qanon. And Snopes gave the story a big, red FALSE anyways. There was never any truth to any of it, there was never such a story but still the story of the story went viral.
Is a Hillary Clinton 'Snuff Film' Circulating on the Dark Web? | Snopes.com (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-snuff-film/)

And MTG was given credit for the Jewish lasers starting fire. What she said was taken totally out of context. When you read the actual statements, it makes perfect sense. And again, Snopes gave it a FALSE. Did Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene Say 'Jewish Lasers' Caused California Wildfires? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/greene-jewish-lasers-wildfires/)

OK enough fact-checking for today.

[JMintzer]

AS far as C and D go........we are trying to do something. We are trying to bring lost manufacturing jobs (and unions for higher pay) back to US shores. That would help raise wages and stop the shortages we are seeing now - build, back, better!

No, that was the last guy... (Except for the unions part...)

[JMintzer]

Finally a "truth-teller" about warp speed.

No, just someone who agrees with your twisted logic...

[JMintzer]

A sitting congresswoman not only said it but is deeply entrenched in all of this.


GOP Congresswoman Blamed Wildfires on Jewish Space Laser (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/marjorie-taylor-greene-qanon-wildfires-space-laser-rothschild-execute.html)

Oh, right... She's Soooo powerful...

Which committees is she on again? Oh, that's right, NONE!

Marjorie Taylor Greene Loses House Committee Assignments : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2021/02/04/963785609/house-to-vote-on-stripping-rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-from-2-key-committees)

Unlike AOC and the Anti-Semite, Omar, who is on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, one of the most powerful and prestigious committees...

[ithos]

"Followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory are “gentle people waving American flags”, Fox News host Tucker Carlson claimed on Friday night – two months since many joined a mob that stormed the US Capitol seeking to overturn Donald Trump’s election defeat, a riot in which five people died."

QAnon’s ‘Domino Theory’ Explained: Here's The Bizarre Scenario That Has Trump Redeemed By The Arizona Audit—And Returning To The White House (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/05/19/qanons-domino-theory-explained-heres-the-bizarre-scenario-that-has-trump-redeemed-by-the-arizona-audit-and-returning-to-the-white-house/?sh=25cf3ee280d1)

Fox News host Tucker Carlson calls QAnon followers 'gentle' patriots | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/06/fox-news-host-tucker-carlson-qanon-followers)

"Carlson’s comments about QAnon believers echoed remarks by Trump, who last August told reporters: “I’ve heard these are people that love our country. So I don’t know really anything about it other than they do supposedly like me.”

Are you capable of making a rational point without the use of strawmen?

Should I condemn everything you say because antifa protestors have tried to burn down a Portland Federal courthouse for the last 6 months? Or after George Floyd, they threw stones and bricks atpolice and caused billions in damages?

There always going to be whackos on both ends of the spectrums. It just so happens that the violent ones are almost exclusively on the left.

[Becca9800]

"Followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory are “gentle people waving American flags”, Fox News host Tucker Carlson claimed on Friday night – two months since many joined a mob that stormed the US Capitol seeking to overturn Donald Trump’s election defeat, a riot in which five people died."

QAnon’s ‘Domino Theory’ Explained: Here's The Bizarre Scenario That Has Trump Redeemed By The Arizona Audit—And Returning To The White House (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/05/19/qanons-domino-theory-explained-heres-the-bizarre-scenario-that-has-trump-redeemed-by-the-arizona-audit-and-returning-to-the-white-house/?sh=25cf3ee280d1)

Fox News host Tucker Carlson calls QAnon followers 'gentle' patriots | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/06/fox-news-host-tucker-carlson-qanon-followers)

"Carlson’s comments about QAnon believers echoed remarks by Trump, who last August told reporters: “I’ve heard these are people that love our country. So I don’t know really anything about it other than they do supposedly like me.”

While I do see Carlson as an influencer, I don't see him as a 'person in power'. He has no decision-making authority, incapable of changing any law, therefore no power.

As to the AZ audit, I'll await the findings before declaring any reported irregularities as bizarre. I want free AND fair elections and believe audits are reasonable if only to prove that's what it was.

Trump's comments were perceived as a disavowment by the Qanon community. And they were p!**ed!

[ithos]

One year ago we could not have this discussion because of the tyranny of Big Tech and Big Media. Any discussion would have been squashed like it was here on the TOTV. The virus started in a wet market and it was transmitted naturally from animal to humans. Disagree and your messages were deleted or you were kicked off the social platforms.

It was all a big fat lie.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/when-did-covid-19-first-infect-people-308883/?highlight=virus+wuhan

When you black ball people who disagree with you then you are a tyrant. That term would describe Zuckerberg, Dorsey, Zucker, Pichai and just about every talking head on the news.

Hat tip to manaboutown :ho:

[JMintzer]

While I do see Carlson as an influencer, I don't see him as a 'person in power'. He has no decision-making authority, incapable of changing any law, therefore no power.

As to the AZ audit, I'll await the findings before declaring any reported irregularities as bizarre. I want free AND fair elections and believe audits are reasonable if only to prove that's what it was.

Trump's comments were perceived as a disavowment by the Qanon community. And they were p!**ed!

He was referring to Marjorie Taylor Greene, who has been stripped of all of her committee assignments, and is basically powerless...

[jimjamuser]

Yep, government "greased" the skid and it took lots of time out of the equation, yet the same folks who rave about that warp speed seem to complain about the safety of the vaccine.

I happen to think that warp speed helped Moderna for sure and Moderna and Johnson and Johnson and Pfizer to get temporary approval.

But, if you think it moved to fast and is unsafe how can you brag about the speed.
There IS a simple answer to that question. Cult thinking can DEFY logic and engage in ANY Bizzaro idea or action. That's why the US is STILL resting on a knife's edge of social disruption and tyranny. Portland, Or. has had a 500% increase in MURDERS for thus far in 2021 vs 2020. And YES, each side will blame the other!

[jimjamuser]

AMEN! And I personally wish Trump would stop trying so hard to get the credit for this vaccine, he may well one day regret it.
Would a shark that bit you "REGRET" it?????????

[Becca9800]

I am sure that you have heard the leader of the GOP talk about this......is not his invention but....

GOP Congresswoman Blamed Wildfires on Jewish Space Laser (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/marjorie-taylor-greene-qanon-wildfires-space-laser-rothschild-execute.html)

"QAnon adherents—who mostly slipped underground following President Joe Biden’s inauguration and a social media crackdown on conspiracy theories—are now galvanized behind the idea that Arizona’s controversial election audit will prove there was fraud, handing the state to former President Donald Trump, and then launching audits in other states that will eventually lead to reversing the election results, and putting Trump back in power."

This is pervasive in the part and over1/3 of GOP actually believe this to be true.

"Almost one in three Republican voters said it's at least somewhat likely that former President Donald Trump will be "reinstated" in 2021, showed a new Morning Consult poll, though there's no feasible way for this to occur. This included 17% of GOP voters who said it's "very likely" Trump will be reinstated."


29% of Republicans Say It's Likely Trump Will Be 'Reinstated' in 2021: Poll (https://www.businessinsider.com/29-percent-republicans-its-likely-trump-will-be-reinstated-poll-2021-6)

How does a country function with this kind of looney tune antics.

Hope you have been following the various court cases with th Jan 6 insurrection and hear what these people are saying about this as well.

It isn't just Qanons or Rs w the looney tunes antics. Allow me to add the rest of the story, the part you should have included in the name of "all the facts".

According to The Hill-HarrisX poll.
While a portion of Republicans support the idea, the majority of voters believe it is unlikely Trump will be reinstated.

In The Hill-HarrisX poll, 70% of Republicans remained doubtful Trump could make a return to the Oval Office, along with 74% of independents and 87% of Democrats.

However, 26% of independent voters disagreed, saying it is likely Trump will be reinstated, while 13% of Democrats said the same.

Given the new info coming out re: the 1/6 "insurrection", I'll hold my judgement to see how it pans out. The real ****er about this issue: some 400 "insurrectionists" are being held in a DC jail, some have been there for months, no charges yet brought. Putin got to point it out in Geneva, in front of the World, that America is guilty of holding protesting political prisoners.

Your other point re: MTG has been refuted in post #126.

[jimjamuser]

What are you raving about now? I got my first shot of the vaccine on the very first day Publix scheduled the shots. You seem to think that people who recognize the success of warp speed are anti vaccine people? How ludicrous!

If you want to talk about people who are resistant to the vaccine you might want to start with employees at the NIH CDC FDA etc because only 50-60% of them accepted the vaccine.
96% of all US Doctors have been vaccinated!

[Becca9800]

He was referring to Marjorie Taylor Greene, who has been stripped of all of her committee assignments, and is basically powerless...

He had two posts in response to mine, one was dedicated almost entirely to Carlson's statements.

[NoMoSno]

Even Jon Stewart can connect the obvious dots.
Jon Stewart On Vaccine Science And The Wuhan Lab Theory - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSfejgwbDQ8)

[jimjamuser]

Yes it's boring when people think only their sources are accurate. They think if CNN NYT MSNBC etc don't have the story it can't be true. It's sad because the very sources they trust peddled lie after lie about Russian collusion for 4 years You'd think they might wake up.
Russian "collusion" and hacking are ABSOLUTELY TRUE. The head of the FBI testified to Congress about that. The Russians do that in every country to have things go their way. They poisoned a man and daughter with RADIATION in the UK. And the recent gas station lines in the Northeast. Get real - Russia is NOT your friend.

[jimjamuser]

Yes it's boring when people think only their sources are accurate. They think if CNN NYT MSNBC etc don't have the story it can't be true. It's sad because the very sources they trust peddled lie after lie about Russian collusion for 4 years You'd think they might wake up.
Is that a FEEBLE attempt at changing History?

[jimjamuser]

I agree. The chances of actual facts about this being made public are very slim. The US has a long-standing biological warfare program itself, which was supposed to be disbanded ages ago.

If China released the virus on purpose, that could be an international crime against humanity and should be investigated. But, that seems very unlikely, since releasing a biological warfare agent in your own country is not very smart.
Actually, it MIGHT (?) be smart. It would allow China to avert BLAME and come off looking innocent in the eyes of the world. Improve their economy (lives are cheap there) and hurt the Western world. Like covering their tracks.

[ithos]

Russian "collusion" and hacking are ABSOLUTELY TRUE. The head of the FBI testified to Congress about that. The Russian do that in every country to have things go their way. They poisoned a man and daughter with RADIATION in the UK. And the recent gas station lines in the Northeast. Get real - Russia is NOT your friend.

Once an agency has lied as much as the FBI has in recent years, then they can no longer be considered a credible source. Not that everything they say is a lie but it can not assumed to be factual.

[jimjamuser]

I am sure that you have heard the leader of the GOP talk about this......is not his invention but....

GOP Congresswoman Blamed Wildfires on Jewish Space Laser (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/marjorie-taylor-greene-qanon-wildfires-space-laser-rothschild-execute.html)

"QAnon adherents—who mostly slipped underground following President Joe Biden’s inauguration and a social media crackdown on conspiracy theories—are now galvanized behind the idea that Arizona’s controversial election audit will prove there was fraud, handing the state to former President Donald Trump, and then launching audits in other states that will eventually lead to reversing the election results, and putting Trump back in power."

This is pervasive in the part and over1/3 of GOP actually believe this to be true.

"Almost one in three Republican voters said it's at least somewhat likely that former President Donald Trump will be "reinstated" in 2021, showed a new Morning Consult poll, though there's no feasible way for this to occur. This included 17% of GOP voters who said it's "very likely" Trump will be reinstated."


29% of Republicans Say It's Likely Trump Will Be 'Reinstated' in 2021: Poll (https://www.businessinsider.com/29-percent-republicans-its-likely-trump-will-be-reinstated-poll-2021-6)

How does a country function with this kind of looney tune antics.

Hope you have been following the various court cases with th Jan 6 insurrection and hear what these people are saying about this as well.
With respect to "no feasible way for this to occur".........I don't want this to happen, but an out-of-control all-volunteer Army could (?) possibly reinstate the old President. I don't trust an all-volunteer Army - it is like a mercenary Army. We need some drafted people for stability.

[jimjamuser]

Oh, right... She's Soooo powerful...

Which committees is she on again? Oh, that's right, NONE!

Marjorie Taylor Greene Loses House Committee Assignments : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2021/02/04/963785609/house-to-vote-on-stripping-rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-from-2-key-committees)

Unlike AOC and the Anti-Semite, Omar, who is on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, one of the most powerful and prestigious committees...
M.T. Greene raised 3 MILLION dollars in the 1st 3 months of this year On-Line from "CRAZIES" like herself!

[jimjamuser]

While I do see Carlson as an influencer, I don't see him as a 'person in power'. He has no decision-making authority, incapable of changing any law, therefore no power.

As to the AZ audit, I'll await the findings before declaring any reported irregularities as bizarre. I want free AND fair elections and believe audits are reasonable if only to prove that's what it was.

Trump's comments were perceived as a disavowment by the Qanon community. And they were p!**ed!
Real audits were completed in Arizona BEFORE the election was confirmed. What is going on in Arizona IS a SHAM audit - just something to get TV coverage and keep the Cult happy. The SHAM involved the collecting of voting machines - which is ILLEGAL. That showboat, futile action will cost Az. taxpayers MILLIONS of dollars. If this action spreads to many other states, our next federal election will be useless! Then what??????? Plus more wasted $.

[jimjamuser]

It isn't just Qanons or Rs w the looney tunes antics. Allow me to add the rest of the story, the part you should have included in the name of "all the facts".

According to The Hill-HarrisX poll.
While a portion of Republicans support the idea, the majority of voters believe it is unlikely Trump will be reinstated.

In The Hill-HarrisX poll, 70% of Republicans remained doubtful Trump could make a return to the Oval Office, along with 74% of independents and 87% of Democrats.

However, 26% of independent voters disagreed, saying it is likely Trump will be reinstated, while 13% of Democrats said the same.

Given the new info coming out re: the 1/6 "insurrection", I'll hold my judgement to see how it pans out. The real ****er about this issue: some 400 "insurrectionists" are being held in a DC jail, some have been there for months, no charges yet brought. Putin got to point it out in Geneva, in front of the World, that America is guilty of holding protesting political prisoners.

Your other point re: MTG has been refuted in post #126.
Sorry to inform you that patriotic Americans do NOT look to V, Putin for the TRUTH. All the U.K. got from Putin was 2 of its citizens POISONED with Radiation. Best NOT to invite him over for a nice lunch.

[Becca9800]

Sorry to inform you that patriotic Americans do NOT look to V, Putin for the TRUTH. All the U.K. got from Putin was 2 of its citizens POISONED with Radiation. Best NOT to invite him over for a nice lunch.

Sincerely?

[PugMom]

WOW! What a thread. We really have made this country great again. Look at all the experts here!

:1rotfl::1rotfl::clap2:

[Bucco]

Are you capable of making a rational point without the use of strawmen?

Should I condemn everything you say because antifa protestors have tried to burn down a Portland Federal courthouse for the last 6 months? Or after George Floyd, they threw stones and bricks atpolice and caused billions in damages?

There always going to be whackos on both ends of the spectrums. It just so happens that the violent ones are almost exclusively on the left.

I was replying to a poster who played the innocent, or at least her posts sounded that theme, but suddenly perked up and got wiser, but I felt she needed to have her memory jogged.

Those who give credence to this “crap” and crap all it is deserve to be constantly reminded that what is happening is serious.....having our government be the headline sordid stuff around the world is embarrassing. Especially since the world knows it is all based on lies, nothing else.

And to those who simply think they are enjoying this “game”, I remind they are the enablers, the pawns, and it is that image the world has of them.

I lived through the Nixon years with a close up view of corruption, and the last few years made that period historic as good guys.

I left the party, but did not become a member of the other. I have watched for the last years, as my old “team” is being destroyed, torn to shreds by insidious lying and one conspiracy after another.

I suppose the followers of Jim Jones “get it”. They were in the same exact place, without social media.

Democracy is fragile, it is teetering because of these people, including enablers.

Does this mean, the other is pure, better, or more honest.....NO. But they are true amateurs when the lying, corruption and deceit steps up.

These are no. Longer “political” battles, but much more serious. I was disgusted and sick up till January 6 at which time I was and am simply in awe at those who, to this day, make any excuse for an invasion on our very own capital, based on yet another lie.

Hope that is straightforward enough for you.

I am also tired of the Antifa references, etc. there is simply not even a close comparison, and the fact you make it says a lot. I lived through the 60’s, was terrified, and disgusted. I have said this on here a lot, but that is absolutely no comparison to an attack on the very capitol and supposed center of our democracy, based on lies...not one single truth, rooted on by the leader of the country.

[Bucco]

Once an agency has lied as much as the FBI has in recent years, then they can no longer be considered a credible source. Not that everything they say is a lie but it can not assumed to be factual.

I am also tired of the anti government rants to justify every action that is deplorable.

Nobody is perfect, nor have they ever been perfect.

Our government has ways to deal with anything....founding fathers did a great job.

Recently, it is made much worse by using everything for political gain.

The recent exposes of the last 4 years, you never heard of until now but you will continue to, and I hope it is handled like our government always did and without the gross, overdone accusations.

In the last years our government was not allowed to function...it was used. I believe the things we are learning to to learn will be handled in the adult manner spelled out in our constitution. USA was not founded on unsubstantiated,malicious accusations, but LAW.

[Irishmen]

I am also tired of the anti government rants to justify every action that is deplorable.

Nobody is perfect, nor have they ever been perfect.

Our government has ways to deal with anything....founding fathers did a great job.

Recently, it is made much worse by using everything for political gain.

The recent exposes of the last 4 years, you never heard of until now but you will continue to, and I hope it is handled like our government always did and without the gross, overdone accusations.

In the last years our government was not allowed to function...it was used. I believe the things we are learning to to learn will be handled in the adult manner spelled out in our constitution. USA was not founded on unsubstantiated,malicious accusations, but LAW.

tell it to the US Supreme Court.

[Irishmen]

I've never heard one person in a position of power speak of 'Jewish LASERS starting fires in CA' or that 'HRC wears masks make from children's faces'. In fact, I've never heard these claims period prior to you. Clue me in, where are you hearing that info? And which people in power have repeated it?

Wut...never heard this either.

[Bucco]

tell it to the US Supreme Court.

How do they stop the CEO of the country from interfering as was done in the last few years.

Everybody is at fault, except.

They don’t like me....it’s a hoax......they are out to get me.....fake news. Always an excuse. It appears as news develops that we may be able to put things right eventually.

Real law process takes time.....more than a tweet.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Wut...never heard this either.

She posted it on Facebook, then deleted the post. Here's a blurb from Newsweek about it (it's behind a paywall but if you haven't gone to Newsweek in 30 days you can check the article yourself):

Greene referenced her now-deleted November 2018 Facebook post in which she laid out the conspiracy theory. While Greene didn't use the phrase "Jewish space lasers" in her post, she did lay out a conspiracy theory claiming that the 2018 California wildfires were possibly caused by "lasers or blue beams of light." She also claimed the wildfires would benefit an international banking firm with a Jewish family name.

It goes on with further explanation but due to my respect of copyright law I won't post the entire thing here (I know, foreign concept to most of you but copyright law is something actual journalists know and respect). Here's the link:

Marjorie Taylor Greene Claims 'Jewish Space Lasers' Conspiracy Theory Was Fake News (https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-claims-jewish-space-lasers-conspiracy-theory-was-fake-news-1574928)

[Bucco]

Wut...never heard this either.

Right...and congresswoman Green saying I didn’t mean that....you missed that also.

You must get out to more of the QAnon meetings.

You remember her getting a standing ovation right here in The Villages

[Becca9800]

She posted it on Facebook, then deleted the post. Here's a blurb from Newsweek about it (it's behind a paywall but if you haven't gone to Newsweek in 30 days you can check the article yourself):



It goes on with further explanation but due to my respect of copyright law I won't post the entire thing here (I know, foreign concept to most of you but copyright law is something actual journalists know and respect). Here's the link:

Marjorie Taylor Greene Claims 'Jewish Space Lasers' Conspiracy Theory Was Fake News (https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-claims-jewish-space-lasers-conspiracy-theory-was-fake-news-1574928)

Even the hard-left Snopes debunked that crock o' crap. MTG's Fb post is depicted in the Snopes report (scroll to end of the report).