Bill Cosby released.

[Taltarzac725]

Bill Cosby released, conviction in sexual assault case overturned (https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2021/06/30/bill-cosby-conviction-sexual-assault-case-overturned-court/7813200002/)

Makes no sense to me. If John Dillinger robbed PA bank 1 and was found not guilty because he made some agreement with the PA prosecutor so that the bank could sue him for the money in a civil case and then he robs bank 2 in another county in PA and is found guilty why should his agreement with bank 1 have any bearing on anything expect that he is a bank robber? He is a bank robber as many could attest. And a well known bank robber. Even if his ex-wife says he does not rob banks.

There seem to be many accusers of Bill Cosby and he admitted in one of these cases that he did it but that was to stop his facing future criminal charges. These other accusers could have been cross-examined by Cosby's lawyers.

[Two Bills]

Bill Cosby released, conviction in sexual assault case overturned (https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2021/06/30/bill-cosby-conviction-sexual-assault-case-overturned-court/7813200002/)

Makes no sense to me. If John Dillinger robbed PA bank 1 and was found not guilty because he made some agreement with the PA prosecutor so that the bank could sue him for the money in a civil case and then he robs bank 2 in another county in PA and is found guilty why should his agreement with bank 1 have any bearing on anything expect that he is a bank robber? He is a bank robber as many could attest. And a well known bank robber. Even if his ex-wife says he does not rob banks.

Simple.
Cosby had better lawyer than Dillinger!:shrug:

[Taltarzac725]

Simple.
Cosby had better lawyer than Dillinger!:shrug:

Bill Cosby sexual assault cases - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cosby_sexual_assault_cases)

Not in a lot of matters it looks like.

As of November 2015, eight related civil suits were active against him.[10][11] Gloria Allred is representing 33 of the alleged victims. In July 2015, some court records were unsealed and released to the public from Andrea Constand's 2005 civil suit against Cosby. The full transcript of his deposition was released to the media by a court reporting service. In his testimony, Cosby admitted to casual sex involving recreational use of the sedative-hypnotic methaqualone (Quaaludes) with a series of young women, and he acknowledged that his dispensing the prescription drug was illegal.[12][13][14]

[GrumpyOldMan]

Wait, wait, wait... I need to get some popcorn. This is going to take off quickly!

[manaboutown]

Hey, hey, hey...Fat Albert goes free!

[Becca9800]

Bill Cosby sexual assault cases - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cosby_sexual_assault_cases)


Wikipedia is not a credible source, anyone can add whatever they like to any issue within. Take what you read there w a grain of salt.

As of November 2015, eight related civil suits were active against him. Of course, he was an easy mark with lots of $$ and 1/2 of the country already hating him.Gloria Allred is representing 33 of the alleged victims. Ugh! Talking about credibility. ALL women are not to be believed! Nuff said.In July 2015, some court records were unsealed and released to the public from Andrea Constand's 2005 civil suit against Cosby. The full transcript of his deposition was released to the media by a court reporting service. Sounds like grounds for legal action to me. In his testimony, Cosby admitted to casual sexwhile married. Makes him a pig, not a rapist. involving recreational use of the sedative-hypnotic methaqualone (Quaaludes)And? Pretty sure many in our generation liked their Quaaludes back in the day. with a series of young womenYoung, no minors, not illegal., and he acknowledged that his dispensing the prescription drug was illegal.Dispensing? C'mon.

Was he the most upstanding guy? Don't think so. Did he deserve prison time? Don't think so.

[Taltarzac725]

You should look at what other of his accusers allege-- Bill Cosby sexual assault cases - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cosby_sexual_assault_cases)

And you should research Wikipedia. That seems like a false claim that people can add whatever they want. That sounds false. Something someone on Fox might say. It is far more complex than that. Wikipedia:You can and cannot change Wikipedia - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:You_can_and_cannot_change_Wikipedia)

Wikipedia is not a credible source, anyone can add whatever they like to any issue within. Take what you read there w a grain of salt.

As of November 2015, eight related civil suits were active against him. Of course, he was an easy mark with lots of $$ and 1/2 of the country already hating him.Gloria Allred is representing 33 of the alleged victims. Ugh! Talking about credibility. ALL women are not to be believed! Nuff said.In July 2015, some court records were unsealed and released to the public from Andrea Constand's 2005 civil suit against Cosby. The full transcript of his deposition was released to the media by a court reporting service. Sounds like grounds for legal action to me. In his testimony, Cosby admitted to casual sexwhile married. Makes him a pig, not a rapist. involving recreational use of the sedative-hypnotic methaqualone (Quaaludes)And? Pretty sure many in our generation liked their Quaaludes back in the day. with a series of young womenYoung, no minors, not illegal., and he acknowledged that his dispensing the prescription drug was illegal.Dispensing? C'mon.

Was he the most upstanding guy? Don't think so. Did he deserve prison time? Don't think so.

[davem4616]

sad that lawyers continue to rule the world that we live in

I'm amazed at all the paperwork I need to sign every time I go to a doctor's office...because his lawyer is trying to protect him from some other guy's lawyer

if there's only one lawyer in town he barely makes a living...two lawyers in a town and they both become multi millionaires

IMHO, we should shut down all the law schools and transform them into medical schools, nursing schools, and trade schools...we have more than enough lawyers...let's educate some people in careers that actually add value

[retiredguy123]

In my opinion, the lesson here is that, if someone commits a crime against you, you need to report it immediately. Showing up years later just doesn't cut it.

[tvbound]

In my opinion, the lesson here is that, if someone commits a crime against you, you need to report it immediately. Showing up years later just doesn't cut it.

That's exactly correct. Legal experts said way back when, that the time elapsed could be an issue. The problem, of course, is that when reporting a crime against the wealthy and powerful, even if it's immediately afterward - justice is often never meted out.

[GrumpyOldMan]

The problem, of course, is that when reporting a crime against the wealthy and powerful, even if it's immediately afterward - justice is often never meted out.

Especially if you are a woman...

[Nucky]

Especially if you are a woman...

Nope. It doesn't matter at all. Report quickly.

[tvbound]

Especially if you are a woman...

Exactly. While there will always be those occasional women that cry wolf or try to take advantage, it's somehow become popular (by both men and women) in a lot of cases to try and shame the victim - or to only believe the male. Which is the reason so many predators are never even reported in the first place.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Wikipedia is not a credible source, anyone can add whatever they like to any issue within. Take what you read there w a grain of salt.

As of November 2015, eight related civil suits were active against him. Of course, he was an easy mark with lots of $$ and 1/2 of the country already hating him.Gloria Allred is representing 33 of the alleged victims. Ugh! Talking about credibility. ALL women are not to be believed! Nuff said.In July 2015, some court records were unsealed and released to the public from Andrea Constand's 2005 civil suit against Cosby. The full transcript of his deposition was released to the media by a court reporting service. Sounds like grounds for legal action to me. In his testimony, Cosby admitted to casual sexwhile married. Makes him a pig, not a rapist. involving recreational use of the sedative-hypnotic methaqualone (Quaaludes)And? Pretty sure many in our generation liked their Quaaludes back in the day. with a series of young womenYoung, no minors, not illegal., and he acknowledged that his dispensing the prescription drug was illegal.Dispensing? C'mon.

Was he the most upstanding guy? Don't think so. Did he deserve prison time? Don't think so.

Among the accusations and charges, is that Cosby slipped the luudes into the drinks, and the women were not aware that their alcohol had been further drugged.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You should look at what other of his accusers allege-- Bill Cosby sexual assault cases - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cosby_sexual_assault_cases)

And you should research Wikipedia. That seems like a false claim that people can add whatever they want. That sounds false. Something someone on Fox might say. It is far more complex than that. Wikipedia:You can and cannot change Wikipedia - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:You_can_and_cannot_change_Wikipedia)

There's also that crazy quirky adorable little section of wiki that I like to call:
SOURCES.

There's actually a list of sources at the bottom of every wiki page. I know, that's insane, you might think. But danged if it isn't right there. And to the surprise of literally no one with a brain, ever, you can actually check on most of those sources!

That's right, you can do your own fact checking! If a wiki entry says "Jim-bob insisted that the moon was made of green cheese and the earth was flat" and there's a little number after that like (1) - you can scroll down and look at that number and right next to it - there's a source entry.

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!

Check it out: those numbers? They're in numeric order! OMG WTF BBQ LOL!!! You don't even have to know how to count!

#themoreyouknow

[Becca9800]

sad that lawyers continue to rule the world that we live in

I'm amazed at all the paperwork I need to sign every time I go to a doctor's office...because his lawyer is trying to protect him from some other guy's lawyer

if there's only one lawyer in town he barely makes a living...two lawyers in a town and they both become multi millionaires

IMHO, we should shut down all the law schools and transform them into medical schools, nursing schools, and trade schools...we have more than enough lawyers...let's educate some people in careers that actually add value

Only the consents you sign are intended to protect your doc from suits. Everything else is to fulfill a government regulation e.g. CMS or a mandate of The Joint Commission. Ever notice how your doc hardly looks at you during an office visit bc s/he is too busy punching on a laptop? Yep. Documentation to fulfill a government regulation e.g. CMS or a mandate of The Joint Commission. I currently work for a med mal defense firm. The things people sue for is absurd. Don't get me started. We need to get rid of unreasonable people.

[Becca9800]

Among the accusations and charges, is that Cosby slipped the luudes into the drinks, and the women were not aware that their alcohol had been further drugged.

And Cosby says otherwise. So.....

[Becca9800]

There's also that crazy quirky adorable little section of wiki that I like to call:
SOURCES.

There's actually a list of sources at the bottom of every wiki page. I know, that's insane, you might think. But danged if it isn't right there. And to the surprise of literally no one with a brain, ever, you can actually check on most of those sources!

That's right, you can do your own fact checking! If a wiki entry says "Jim-bob insisted that the moon was made of green cheese and the earth was flat" and there's a little number after that like (1) - you can scroll down and look at that number and right next to it - there's a source entry.

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!

Check it out: those numbers? They're in numeric order! OMG WTF BBQ LOL!!! You don't even have to know how to count!

#themoreyouknow

What I do know.... Why refer to a source if you can't trust it and have to fact check it?

[manaboutown]

Exactly. While there will always be those occasional women that cry wolf or try to take advantage, it's somehow become popular (by both men and women) in a lot of cases to try and shame the victim - or to only believe the male. Which is the reason so many predators are never even reported in the first place.

Huh??? In the vast majority of cases the woman is believed whether she is being truthful or not.

I fully agree that most victims do not come forward for many reasons.

[Taltarzac725]

Huh??? In the vast majority of cases the woman is believed whether she is being truthful or not.

I fully agree that most victims do not come forward for many reasons.

I ran into a few law students at the U of MN who had been raped at one time or another and/or sexually assaulted and I do not think any of them reported the incidents. And some of these were while they were in law school by other law school students. And I could not do much about it because of the social networks at law school which were often how one got a hold of the all important law review outlines of the such-and-suchs classes. These outlines made the class a lot easier. And all I had for evidence was some friend who claimed x did y. I did warn other friends to stay away from some person but never went into why.

[Neils]

Follow the money

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Only the consents you sign are intended to protect your doc from suits. Everything else is to fulfill a government regulation e.g. CMS or a mandate of The Joint Commission. Ever notice how your doc hardly looks at you during an office visit bc s/he is too busy punching on a laptop? Yep. Documentation to fulfill a government regulation e.g. CMS or a mandate of The Joint Commission. I currently work for a med mal defense firm. The things people sue for is absurd. Don't get me started. We need to get rid of unreasonable people.

My doctor has actual conversations with me, face to face, eye to eye. He also pauses between subjects to type into his laptop all the information we'd discussed. When I get home, I can see everything he's put in, from my own computer.

Transparency is awesome.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

What I do know.... Why refer to a source if you can't trust it and have to fact check it?

So if your best friend in the whole world, who you trust with your life, came to you and said "the earth is flat" you'd just believe him because you trust him?

You wouldn't ask "where did you hear that?"

And if he told you he saw it on a news website that you also trust, you wouldn't wonder where THEY heard it from? Which scientist informed them of this fascinating tidbit of news?

Perhaps you're not interested in learning new things, expanding your knowledge base, or making sure that you are *accurately* informed of things.

I'm very interested in knowing stuff. So I look up things when "someone said" something.

[Becca9800]

My doctor has actual conversations with me, face to face, eye to eye. He also pauses between subjects to type into his laptop all the information we'd discussed. When I get home, I can see everything he's put in, from my own computer.

Transparency is awesome.

You think so? No. No, you do not. There are pieces and parts of a patient's medical record that is not in your portal.

[Topspinmo]

Well, at least the federal government don’t have to pay the nursing bill anymore. The law only applied to the unconnected, or disconnect.

[Taltarzac725]

Fatty Arbuckle's story is an interesting one. A movie star that got taken down by what looks like a false accusation of rape and manslaughter. They do happen. But my younger brother was hearing jokes about Bill Cosby's behavior when my younger brother was a rental car person at the Reno, Nevada airport. Cosby played at the casinos there if memory serves. Bill Cosby was a frequent visitor to Northern NEvada (https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2018/04/30/cosby-accused-assaults-reno-had-strong-ties-northern-nevada/562864002/) They did hear warnings about getting too close to Bill Cosby.

Roscoe Arbuckle - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roscoe_Arbuckle)

[blueash]

No one has written as to why Cosby was freed and protected from further prosecutions for his druggings and sexual assaults. He was facing civil suits from his victims. The statute of limitations was nearing its limit. The local prosecutor told Cosby that they would NOT use anything he said in the civil suit to prosecute him. So Cosby told the truth, or some of the truth, in his civil suit including that he had given drugs to women to lower their resistance to sex with him.

The prosecutor then used that testimony to indict and try Cosby. The court ruled that the promise of the prosecutor to not use his civil court testimony was binding, like a promise of immunity. It then vacated his conviction as it depended on prohibited information. Yes money talks and it buys good lawyers too. But the rule of law is important and the court seems to have gotten this one right even though it allows a likely guilty man to walk.

[Taltarzac725]

No one has written as to why Cosby was freed and protected from further prosecutions for his druggings and sexual assaults. He was facing civil suits from his victims. The statute of limitations was nearing its limit. The local prosecutor told Cosby that they would NOT use anything he said in the civil suit to prosecute him. So Cosby told the truth, or some of the truth, in his civil suit including that he had given drugs to women to lower their resistance to sex with him.

The prosecutor then used that testimony to indict and try Cosby. The court ruled that the promise of the prosecutor to not use his civil court testimony was binding, like a promise of immunity. It then vacated his conviction as it depended on prohibited information. Yes money talks and it buys good lawyers too. But the rule of law is important and the court seems to have gotten this one right even though it allows a likely guilty man to walk.

It is not clear what this promise was with respect to which cases would not be prosecuted criminally. Certainly not all of them. Only the one in that jurisdiction of the prosecutor. Bill Cosby is a free man after Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturns sex assault conviction - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/30/us/bill-cosby-to-be-released/index.html)

Cosby was sentenced in 2018 to 3 to 10 years in a state prison for drugging and sexually assaulting Andrea Constand at his home in 2004.

The Statute of Limitations probably would have run out on all these cases though no matter what jurisdiction.

It should be pretty clear what kind of man Bill Cosby is though. He is a pathological liar who preyed on women for a long time and got a way with it because of his fame and fortune.

[Girlcopper]

Exactly. While there will always be those occasional women that cry wolf or try to take advantage, it's somehow become popular (by both men and women) in a lot of cases to try and shame the victim - or to only believe the male. Which is the reason so many predators are never even reported in the first place.
Not true at all in this day and age. Thats in the old days

[retiredguy123]

It is not clear what this promise was with respect to which cases would not be prosecuted criminally. Certainly not all of them. Only the one in that jurisdiction of the prosecutor. Bill Cosby is a free man after Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturns sex assault conviction - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/30/us/bill-cosby-to-be-released/index.html)



The Statute of Limitations probably would have run out on all these cases though no matter what jurisdiction.

It should be pretty clear what kind of man Bill Cosby is though. He is a pathological liar who preyed on women for a long time and got a way with it because of his fame and fortune.
So, a criminal prosecutor agreed not to prosecute Cosby for a crime so that a plaintiff in a civil court case could get money from Cosby? That sounds like obstruction of justice and illegal. Why is a criminal prosecutor even involved in a civil court case?

[dfbauman65]

He was not released because he is innocent. He was released on a technicality that happened during the court process that found him guilty.

[Pat2015]

Whether he is innocent or guilty of anything doesn’t really matter at this point as his reputation is destroyed, he has probably spent a million dollars or more for lawyers, and at 81 years old he ultimately served two years in jail. What does matter here is that is a case of prosecutorial misconduct where his rights were violated thus the conviction was overturned as it should have been. I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t sue the city for his attorney fees and damages.

[Miriam2940]

He definitely IS guilty but he was released because the original prosecutor gave him immunity from criminal prosecution in exchange for his testimony in the civil case. Years later another prosecutor rescinded that and he was prosecuted. The conviction was thrown out because of (I guess) prosecutorial misconduct, not because he is innocent, he isn’t.

Bill Cosby released, conviction in sexual assault case overturned (https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2021/06/30/bill-cosby-conviction-sexual-assault-case-overturned-court/7813200002/)

Makes no sense to me. If John Dillinger robbed PA bank 1 and was found not guilty because he made some agreement with the PA prosecutor so that the bank could anything expect that he is a bank robber? He is a bank robber as many could attest. And a well known bank robber. Even if his ex-wife says he does not rob banks.

There seem to be many accusers of Bill Cosby and he admitted in one of these cases that he did it but that was to stop his facing future criminal charges. These other accusers could have been cross-examined by Cosby's lawyers.

[George Page]

And Cosby says otherwise. So.....

Do the math……60 to 1
Do you always bet long-shots?

Also, in his civil case, …….
HE CONFESSED!

[Pedrocarrasco01@yahoo.com]

sad that lawyers continue to rule the world that we live in

I'm amazed at all the paperwork I need to sign every time I go to a doctor's office...because his lawyer is trying to protect him from some other guy's lawyer

if there's only one lawyer in town he barely makes a living...two lawyers in a town and they both become multi millionaires

IMHO, we should shut down all the law schools and transform them into medical schools, nursing schools, and trade schools...we have more than enough lawyers...let's educate some people in careers that actually add value

The United States population consists of 6% of the total Worlds population, however the United States has 76% of ALL the lawyers of the World. Considering that is the main reason that our system is at a breaking point with so many lawsuits being filed and cases going to trial.

[jbrown132]

For what I have heard the vast majority of the civil cases will be thrown out as the statute of limitations has long since expired. I suspect BC was a pig, but not a single one of these people came forward when the alleged allegation took place. Where is the evidence? How many of these accusers just see a quick buck in the future. Woman have got to learn that when something like this happens you have to go to the police immediately even if you believe no one will listen to you not 25 years later. At least it will be on record.

[Eg_cruz]

Bill Cosby sexual assault cases - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cosby_sexual_assault_cases)

Not in a lot of matters it looks like.
And yet Hollywood still airs his reruns………..blows my mind

[Bay Kid]

Our country is now for the thugs, crooks, murders, etc. Druggies are heroes. Murders are ok. Rapists weren't treated unfairly.

Is it too late for our country?

[Bay Kid]

And yet Hollywood still airs his reruns………..blows my mind

But whatever you do don't put Dukes of Hazard on tv.

[blueash]

So, a criminal prosecutor agreed not to prosecute Cosby for a crime so that a plaintiff in a civil court case could get money from Cosby? That sounds like obstruction of justice and illegal. Why is a criminal prosecutor even involved in a civil court case?

The issue was the civil case brought by one of his victims. The prosecutor, named Bruce Castor [you can look him up, he's been in the news for more than the Cosby case] decided that this victim would be a poor witness and that he wouldn't be able to get a conviction of Cosby based on her testimony and actions. He then made a public statement that his office would not use anything from the civil trial deposition to prosecute Cosby. Why he said this I do not know, but it forced Cosby to not invoke the 5th amendment when questioned in his civil case. You cannot refuse to answer a question if you are not at risk of being charged with a crime. While Castor did not later charge Cosby, the prosecutors who replaced him in office did so. The Pennsylvania court by a 6-1 vote held that the immunity granted Cosby by Bruce Castor was binding.

You can read the actual court opinion on CNN HERE. (https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/bill-cosby-conviction-release-6-30-21/h_8de22a88fc2228a7687f2fbe9150e1a4)
The introduction to the opinion states the facts clearly:

In 2005, Montgomery County District Attorney Bruce Castor learned that Andrea Constand had reported that William Cosby had sexually assaulted her in 2004 at his Cheltenham residence. Along with his top deputy prosecutor and experienced detectives, District Attorney Castor thoroughly investigated Constand’s claim. In evaluating the likelihood of a successful prosecution of Cosby, the district attorney foresaw difficulties with Constand’s credibility as a witness based, in part, upon her decision not to file a complaint promptly. D.A. Castor further determined that a prosecution would be frustrated because there was no corroborating forensic evidence and because testimony from other potential claimants against Cosby likely was inadmissible under governing laws of evidence. The collective weight of these considerations led D.A. Castor to conclude that, unless Cosby confessed, “there was insufficient credible and admissible evidence upon which any charge against Mr. Cosby related to the Constand incident could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.”

Seeking “some measure of justice” for Constand, D.A. Castor decided that the Commonwealth would decline to prosecute Cosby for the incident involving Constand, thereby allowing Cosby to be forced to testify in a subsequent civil action, under penalty of perjury, without the benefit of his Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination. Unable to invoke any right not to testify in the civil proceedings, Cosby relied upon the district attorney’s declination and proceeded to provide four sworn depositions. During those depositions, Cosby made several incriminating statements. D.A. Castor’s successors did not feel bound by his decision, and decided to prosecute Cosby notwithstanding that prior undertaking. The fruits of Cosby’s reliance upon D.A. Castor’s decision Cosby’s sworn inculpatory testimony were then used by D.A. Castor’s successors against Cosby at Cosby’s criminal trial.

[Eg_cruz]

Wikipedia is not a credible source, anyone can add whatever they like to any issue within. Take what you read there w a grain of salt.

As of November 2015, eight related civil suits were active against him. Of course, he was an easy mark with lots of $$ and 1/2 of the country already hating him.Gloria Allred is representing 33 of the alleged victims. Ugh! Talking about credibility. ALL women are not to be believed! Nuff said.In July 2015, some court records were unsealed and released to the public from Andrea Constand's 2005 civil suit against Cosby. The full transcript of his deposition was released to the media by a court reporting service. Sounds like grounds for legal action to me. In his testimony, Cosby admitted to casual sexwhile married. Makes him a pig, not a rapist. involving recreational use of the sedative-hypnotic methaqualone (Quaaludes)And? Pretty sure many in our generation liked their Quaaludes back in the day. with a series of young womenYoung, no minors, not illegal., and he acknowledged that his dispensing the prescription drug was illegal.Dispensing? C'mon.

Was he the most upstanding guy? Don't think so. Did he deserve prison time? Don't think so.
So I guess you can just be grateful that your mom, you, your daughter or your granddaughter never came across Bill. I think sometimes people forget we are talking about someone’s loved ones……

[blueash]

And yet Hollywood still airs his reruns………..blows my mind

Please tell me, what Hollywood organization, or any other network is airing Cosby's reruns? I am sure you wouldn't have written that post if you were not certain that it was true. Attacking Hollywood is always good for scoring points.

Now that his conviction has been set aside, do you believe he belongs back on TV or do you favor continuing to "cancel" him?

[tvbound]

Not true at all in this day and age. Thats in the old days

Totally false. While the "Metoo movement may have helped slightly, the vast majority of cases still aren't reported - especially against the wealthy or celebrities. Cosby's situation will certainly not increase the percentage of reported cases either and is the perfect example of why women are reluctant to go through everything that is involved in going to the police.

Facts and Statistics – Central MN Sexual Assault Center (https://cmsac.org/facts-and-statistics/)

[RayAmb]

LAWYERS, LAWYERS, LAWYERS
How about Sumter County ? A case in process. $ 700+ dollar larceny, a confession, videos, well documented. The case is 18 months old and the State Attorney has no resolution on the horizon. The victim has never been contacted by the State Attorney. Expect victims to be victims of the system.
It’s real people!

[Notsocrates]

Bill Cosby released, conviction in sexual assault case overturned (https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2021/06/30/bill-cosby-conviction-sexual-assault-case-overturned-court/7813200002/)

Makes no sense to me. If John Dillinger robbed PA bank 1 and was found not guilty because he made some agreement with the PA prosecutor so that the bank could sue him for the money in a civil case and then he robs bank 2 in another county in PA and is found guilty why should his agreement with bank 1 have any bearing on anything expect that he is a bank robber? He is a bank robber as many could attest. And a well known bank robber. Even if his ex-wife says he does not rob banks.

There seem to be many accusers of Bill Cosby and he admitted in one of these cases that he did it but that was to stop his facing future criminal charges. These other accusers could have been cross-examined by Cosby's lawyers.

There is a difference between justice which is about "fairness" and the truth. The purpose of courts is to achieve justice which give them legitimacy and authority. The court found that his agreement with a prosecutor required him --in effect-- to testify against himself which is unfair.

[OhioBuckeye]

Simple.
Cosby had better lawyer than Dillinger!:shrug:

You know robbery & what Bill Cosby did is like Apples & Orange’s. Not saying either one is right but they both got what law required for their crime. But think about all the other sex crimes over the yrs. & what they got. Cosby never killed anybody & just me but I think he did his time. I got to spend a little time with Mr. Cosby yrs. back when he visited Fo. Mo. Co. He was a great dad & husband! Personally I was shocked when charges was brought against him.

[DAVES]

Bill Cosby released, conviction in sexual assault case overturned (https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2021/06/30/bill-cosby-conviction-sexual-assault-case-overturned-court/7813200002/)

Makes no sense to me. If John Dillinger robbed PA bank 1 and was found not guilty because he made some agreement with the PA prosecutor so that the bank could sue him for the money in a civil case and then he robs bank 2 in another county in PA and is found guilty why should his agreement with bank 1 have any bearing on anything expect that he is a bank robber? He is a bank robber as many could attest. And a well known bank robber. Even if his ex-wife says he does not rob banks.

There seem to be many accusers of Bill Cosby and he admitted in one of these cases that he did it but that was to stop his facing future criminal charges. These other accusers could have been cross-examined by Cosby's lawyers.

Ancient debate. Law, crime, is our goal to punish, or to reform. Fame, often sets a new standard as it becomes a public issue. Then with Bill Cosby we can toss in the endless race issue.

Accepting a plea sadly is a major part of our legal system. Fair, a regularly used term is in the eye of the beholder. Punishment often depends on your budget as well as who you know and what others know you might release about them.

[Spalumbos62]

No one has written as to why Cosby was freed and protected from further prosecutions for his druggings and sexual assaults. He was facing civil suits from his victims. The statute of limitations was nearing its limit. The local prosecutor told Cosby that they would NOT use anything he said in the civil suit to prosecute him. So Cosby told the truth, or some of the truth, in his civil suit including that he had given drugs to women to lower their resistance to sex with him.

The prosecutor then used that testimony to indict and try Cosby. The court ruled that the promise of the prosecutor to not use his civil court testimony was binding, like a promise of immunity. It then vacated his conviction as it depended on prohibited information. Yes money talks and it buys good lawyers too. But the rule of law is important and the court seems to have gotten this one right even though it allows a likely guilty man to walk.



Exactly....thank you for writing this. It's not that he was innocent, the law worked for him. Others can still pursue him- if statue has not run out.

This whole situation is absurd, and I feel bad for all those victims, BUT, I can appreciate that the law worked.

[DAVES]

There is a difference between justice which is about "fairness" and the truth. The purpose of courts is to achieve justice which give them legitimacy and authority. The court found that his agreement with a prosecutor required him --in effect-- to testify against himself which is unfair.

We all tend to use terms like justice, like fair, like truth, like legitimacy, like authority all important WORDS. There are books, several books debating what they mean.

Over the years. Cosby, he might have been hung from a tree. Put in a cage on London bridge till he starved to death and his body rotten away. On a rack, the wheel you would confess to anything. Our legal system? Justice huh? Been there.

[billethkid]

sad that lawyers continue to rule the world that we live in

I'm amazed at all the paperwork I need to sign every time I go to a doctor's office...because his lawyer is trying to protect him from some other guy's lawyer

if there's only one lawyer in town he barely makes a living...two lawyers in a town and they both become multi millionaires

IMHO, we should shut down all the law schools and transform them into medical schools, nursing schools, and trade schools...we have more than enough lawyers...let's educate some people in careers that actually add value

Far too many lawyers.....
Use,
Abuse
Or hide behind
The law.

Which ever benefits most......and sometimes even for the client!

[Reese8899]

I am glad he is free now. I am sure some of those women were paid well by him. Also he has good lawyers. Let’s adhere the law of the land.........his freedom........💥✨🌟🌙⭐️💫

[manaboutown]

Watch your drinks!

[jimkerr]

Money will get you out of anything in most cases. He's definitely guilty and deserves to be in prison t he rest of his life. It's a shame that someone who abused so many women is now able to live his life as if he didn't do anything wrong.

[airstreamingypsy]

He may be free, but the world knows he's is a lowlife woman drugging serial rapist. He's not free because he's innocent, he's still as guilty as he was the day he was convicted.

[Pat2015]

Money will get you out of anything in most cases. He's definitely guilty and deserves to be in prison t he rest of his life. It's a shame that someone who abused so many women is now able to live his life as if he didn't do anything wrong.
This isn’t about money or guilt/innocence. It’s about prosecutorial misconduct. The ruling is correct, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t sue the city.

[Becca9800]

Do the math……60 to 1
Do you always bet long-shots?

Also, in his civil case, …….
HE CONFESSED!

He "confessed" to absolutely nothing. He continues to maintain his innocence as of yesterday. See Post #6.

[Stu from NYC]

Wonder why this did not come out before the trial?

He seems to be guilty but wonder how many of these suits are phony?

[Becca9800]

So I guess you can just be grateful that your mom, you, your daughter or your granddaughter never came across Bill. I think sometimes people forget we are talking about someone’s loved ones……

So what exactly do you object to in my previous response? I'm confused by your need to make this personal.

[Rosebud1949]

This is why Women DO NOT REPORT THESE CRIMES.... no one EVER believes them how ever much evidence there is..... Are 50 + women really wrong about this predator.. I do not think so. Shame on the "old boy network".. Blame the victim.

[lawgolfer]

The OP, and most replies, miss the point of the court's decision and the reversal of Cosby's conviction.

The decision had nothing to do with Cosby's guilt or innocence. It had to do with prosecutorial misconduct. The District Attorney then in office, made a promise to Cosby that his testimony would not be used against him if he testified at a deposition in a civil case and did not invoke his 5th Amendment privilege. Years later, a new District Attorney breached the promise of his predecessor and prosecuted Cosby using his deposition testimony to convict him.

There are so many things wrong with the conduct of the new District Attorney that I wonder if he ever studied legal ethics in law school and marvel that he has not faced disciplinary action by the Bar. Our legal system, for all its faults, cannot exist when public officials break promises, whether they or their predecessor made the promise. This extends to the lowest level of prosecutorial authority. For example, if the lowest ranking Deputy in the office made such a promise to a suspect, the highest ranking Deputy could not say the promise should not have been made and then breach the promise, once the suspect has testified. The political and social winds may change, but a prosecutor's word must not. Today, no self-respecting prosecutor would even consider making such a promise to a suspect in a sexual assault case. However, one was made to Cosby, and was, subsequently, broken.

This extends throughout the criminal justice system and is not confined to the prosecutors. For example, a police officer cannot tell a suspect that if he confesses he will not be prosecuted, and, later, have that promise breached. For those of you who watch TV and read police procedural novels, do not be confused by lies the police are allowed to make--i.e."we found your fingerprints on the body"; "your buddy has set you up to take the rap" etc, which induce the suspect to then confess.

I proudly served as both an Assistant United States Attorney and as a Deputy District Attorney and spent 40 years before the bar. When this story first broke four years ago, I was shocked to hear that such a promise was made to Cosby by the District Attorney and more shocked to hear the current District Attorney was breaking his predecessor's promise. Anyone with even a smattering of experience in the criminal justice system, whether as an attorney, judge, or police officer, knew the prosecution was on shaky ground.

[Bill14564]

This is why Women DO NOT REPORT THESE CRIMES.... no one EVER believes them how ever much evidence there is..... Are 50 + women really wrong about this predator.. I do not think so. Shame on the "old boy network".. Blame the victim.

And THIS exaggeration is one of the reasons why we have a problem with this discussion. What you so strongly assert in capital letters is simply not true:

1. Women do report these crimes. You are only aware of the Cosby case because women reported the crimes. You are also aware of the multiple cases at Fox because women reported the crimes. Perhaps not all women report the crimes and that needs to be improved but women DO report these crimes.

2. Many people do believe the women, no matter how little evidence there is. The default is to believe the women, even when there is no evidence. But you cannot, in this country, take away someone's freedom on just the word of another; to get a conviction at trial you need evidence regardless of how much you believe the women.

3. Other than Cosby, in this case few are saying that 50+ women are wrong. The ruling that released him did not say that 50+ women are wrong.

4. Good ole boy network? The court ruled against the prosecutor; you would think that the prosecutor would be part of any good ole boy network.

5. Where in any of this was any victim blamed? Where? The court ruled against the District Attorney, the prosecutor, and the process that convicted Cosby, not the evidence and not the victims.

In order to move forward in this case and in our national conversation, we need to stop the exaggeration and deal with the facts.

[Taltarzac725]

The OP, and most replies, miss the point of the court's decision and the reversal of Cosby's conviction.

The decision had nothing to do with Cosby's guilt or innocence. It had to do with prosecutorial misconduct. The District Attorney then in office, made a promise to Cosby that his testimony would not be used against him if he testified at a deposition in a civil case and did not invoke his 5th Amendment privilege. Years later, a new District Attorney breached the promise of his predecessor and prosecuted Cosby using his deposition testimony to convict him.

There are so many things wrong with the conduct of the new District Attorney that I wonder if he ever studied legal ethics in law school and marvel that he has not faced disciplinary action by the Bar. Our legal system, for all its faults, cannot exist when public officials break promises, whether they or their predecessor made the promise. This extends to the lowest level of prosecutorial authority. For example, if the lowest ranking Deputy in the office made such a promise to a suspect, the highest ranking Deputy could not say the promise should not have been made and then breach the promise, once the suspect has testified. The political and social winds may change, but a prosecutor's word must not. Today, no self-respecting prosecutor would even consider making such a promise to a suspect in a sexual assault case. However, one was made to Cosby, and was, subsequently, broken.

This extends throughout the criminal justice system and is not confined to the prosecutors. For example, a police officer cannot tell a suspect that if he confesses he will not be prosecuted, and, later, have that promise breached. For those of you who watch TV and read police procedural novels, do not be confused by lies the police are allowed to make--i.e."we found your fingerprints on the body"; "your buddy has set you up to take the rap" etc, which induce the suspect to then confess.

I proudly served as both an Assistant United States Attorney and as a Deputy District Attorney and spent 40 years before the bar. When this story first broke four years ago, I was shocked to hear that such a promise was made to Cosby by the District Attorney and more shocked to hear the current District Attorney was breaking his predecessor's promise. Anyone with even a smattering of experience in the criminal justice system, whether as an attorney, judge, or police officer, knew the prosecution was on shaky ground.

You are missing the point that a lot of women were mentioned in this civil case confession and not just the one whose criminal case Bill Cosby in which was found guilty. Where are their due process considerations? This just looks like lawyers spinning legal technicalities to get their client free any way they can. Where is the concern for equity towards Cosby's many victims? The lawyer messed up so the victims/survivors pay the consequences. Fairness to ALL parties should be a primary consideration not just that of the already justly convicted. Cosby got his days in court. Those other survivors/victims of his actions not so much. Jurisdiction: Equity | Federal Judicial Center (https://www.fjc.gov/history/courts/jurisdiction-equity)

[Stu from NYC]

You are missing the point that a lot of women were mentioned in this civil case confession and not just the one whose criminal case Bill Cosby in which was found guilty. Where are their due process considerations? This just looks like lawyers spinning legal technicalities to get their client free any way they can. Where is the concern for equity towards Cosby's many victims? The lawyer messed up so the victims/survivors pay the consequences. Fairness to ALL parties should be a primary consideration not just that of the already justly convicted. Cosby got his days in court. Those other survivors/victims of his actions not so much.

It is sad that he got off but blame the the DA for stupidity.

Wish these women would have come forward in a much more timely manner.

[retiredguy123]

It is sad that he got off but blame the the DA for stupidity.

Wish these women would have come forward in a much more timely manner.
Hopefully, stupidity was the only thing involved. I don't understand why a criminal prosecutor would be making any promises related to a civil court case, where millions of dollars are at stake.

[Taltarzac725]

It is sad that he got off but blame the the DA for stupidity.

Wish these women would have come forward in a much more timely manner.

This does have a lot of do with whom they were accusing of such actions. Bill Cosby was beloved by many and seems to hide his dark side extremely well. He still denies any wrongdoing even though he confessed to it in a civil deposition. Bill Cosby freed from prison as sex conviction is overturned | WGN-TV (https://wgntv.com/news/bill-cosbys-sex-assault-conviction-overturned-by-court/)

In May, Cosby was denied parole after refusing to participate in sex offender programs behind bars. He has long said he would resist the treatment programs and refuse to acknowledge wrongdoing even if it means serving the full 10-year sentence.

Prosecutors said Cosby repeatedly used his fame and “family man” persona to manipulate young women, holding himself out as a mentor before betraying them.

[Sherry8bal]

Simple - M O N E Y T A L K S

[retiredguy123]

The prosecutor, Bruce Castor, who promised not to prosecute Cosby, is now trying to explain his decision. He needs to stop talking and go away. His promise allowed a woman to get millions of dollars from Cosby, but gave him immunity from prosecution, and provided no value to the state, for whom he works. His job is to prosecute criminals, not to assist civil plaintiffs in a lawsuit by giving immunity. What a terrible decision. My opinion.

[lawgolfer]

The concerns about other victims is understandable. As to any particular victim, most states provide for a civil settlement agreed to by the perpetrator, victim, and prosecutor to be made which then bars a criminal prosecution. These can by criticized as "the rich buying their way out of trouble"; however, they can be useful as a way of compensating a victim and lessening the harm done to him or her. I agreed to several of these while a deputy district attorney, of course, always with the approval of my superiors.

For those critical of the result in the Cosby case, they should consider whether they really want a legal system where a prosecutor can make a promise to a suspect, on which the suspect then relies, and which the prosecutor could then break. Can you imagine a system where a defendant agrees to plead guilty based on a prosecutor's promise that he would recommend a sentence of 10 years only to have the prosecutor, at sentencing, ask the judge for a sentence of 20 years, saying that he made a mistake in promising to only ask for 10 years?

[retiredguy123]

The concerns about other victims is understandable. As to any particular victim, most states provide for a civil settlement agreed to by the perpetrator, victim, and prosecutor to be made which then bars a criminal prosecution. These can by criticized as "the rich buying their way out of trouble"; however, they can be useful as a way of compensating a victim and lessening the harm done to him or her. I agreed to several of these while a deputy district attorney, of course, always with the approval of my superiors.

For those critical of the result in the Cosby case, they should consider whether they really want a legal system where a prosecutor can make a promise to a suspect, on which the suspect then relies, and which the prosecutor could then break. Can you imagine a system where a defendant agrees to plead guilty based on a prosecutor's promise that he would recommend a sentence of 10 years only to have the prosecutor, at sentencing, ask the judge for a sentence of 20 years, saying that he made a mistake in promising to only ask for 10 years?
Thanks for the explanation. But, according to Bruce Casper, he made no settlement agreement with either Cosby or the victim. He just promised not to prosecute Cosby, so he could not refuse to testify in the civil case. And, apparently, he did not get approval from his superiors.

[Bill14564]

Thanks for the explanation. But, according to Bruce Casper, he made no settlement agreement with either Cosby or the victim. He just promised not to prosecute Cosby, so he could not refuse to testify in the civil case. And, apparently, he did not get approval from his superiors.

??? He didn't make an agreement he just made a promise? The promise IS the agreement and the basis for releasing Cosby. If that is the argument he is trying to make then it just proves his incompetence.

[Taltarzac725]

??? He didn't make an agreement he just made a promise? The promise IS the agreement and the basis for releasing Cosby. If that is the argument he is trying to make then it just proves his incompetence.

And it looks like it was just a promise made verbally and not written down anywhere. Bill Cosby released from prison after Pa. Supreme Court overturns sexual assault conviction (https://www.inquirer.com/news/bill-cosby-conviction-overturned-appeal-andrea-constand-20210630.html)

[retiredguy123]

??? He didn't make an agreement he just made a promise? The promise IS the agreement and the basis for releasing Cosby. If that is the argument he is trying to make then it just proves his incompetence.
In his interview, Casper said that he made a promise, not an agreement, or a settlement. Apparently, the only reason for the promise was so Cosby could not claim the fifth amendment and refuse to testify in the civil case.

[manaboutown]

Hey, hey, hey! Looks like Gloria Allred is going after (prison nickname "OG" for "original gangster") Bill. Go get him, Gloria! Bill Cosby accusers''' attorney Gloria Allred says she'''ll proceed with civil suit against him | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/bill-cosby-gloria-allred-proceed-civil-suit?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR1mMyhKfU5pWa4gPjYmzadWMyqXjFEBbhWnyMZiO 39-COBWfYWnGh0EBkw)

[Topspinmo]

No one has written as to why Cosby was freed and protected from further prosecutions for his druggings and sexual assaults. He was facing civil suits from his victims. The statute of limitations was nearing its limit. The local prosecutor told Cosby that they would NOT use anything he said in the civil suit to prosecute him. So Cosby told the truth, or some of the truth, in his civil suit including that he had given drugs to women to lower their resistance to sex with him.

The prosecutor then used that testimony to indict and try Cosby. The court ruled that the promise of the prosecutor to not use his civil court testimony was binding, like a promise of immunity. It then vacated his conviction as it depended on prohibited information. Yes money talks and it buys good lawyers too. But the rule of law is important and the court seems to have gotten this one right even though it allows a likely guilty man to walk.


Those prosecutors must of graduated from same school of law OJ’s prosecutors did? University of incompetent law school for prosecutors.

[Bill14564]

And it looks like it was just a promise made verbally and not written down anywhere. Bill Cosby released from prison after Pa. Supreme Court overturns sexual assault conviction (https://www.inquirer.com/news/bill-cosby-conviction-overturned-appeal-andrea-constand-20210630.html)

According to what I have read, the promise and the position was documented well by the stenographer during Castor's testimony in the civil case. He explained why he was the only one who could have made that call and why he made that call.

[Bill14564]

In his interview, Casper said that he made a promise, not an agreement, or a settlement. Apparently, the only reason for the promise was so Cosby could not claim the fifth amendment and refuse to testify in the civil case.

And that, precisely, was the agreement or understanding. Castor made the promise with the intention that it would eliminate Cosby's ability to claim his 5th amendment protection during the civil case. Whether Castor conspired with the defendant or not, his promise forced Cosby to testify against himself and secured a verdict for the victim.

So either we believe Castor had an agreement with the victim, likely unwritten and possibly unspoken, to drop the criminal case in a way that forced Cosby to testify in the civil case or we believe Castor made the promise for absolutely no reason at all.

We have no way of knowing what Castor's motivation was but assuming he was not entirely a fool, he must have had some plan for why he made the promise.

[Becca9800]

And that, precisely, was the agreement or understanding. Castor made the promise with the intention that it would eliminate Cosby's ability to claim his 5th amendment protection during the civil case. Whether Castor conspired with the defendant or not, his promise forced Cosby to testify against himself and secured a verdict for the victim.

So either we believe Castor had an agreement with the victim, likely unwritten and possibly unspoken, to drop the criminal case in a way that forced Cosby to testify in the civil case or we believe Castor made the promise for absolutely no reason at all.

We have no way of knowing what Castor's motivation was but assuming he was not entirely a fool, he must have had some plan for why he made the promise.

Castor said today he didn't have the needed evidence to secure a criminal conviction, the decision was his to provide the "victim" an opportunity to win a civil suit. And she left a multi-millionaire. Boo-hoo.

And I say "victim" bc she put herself in the same situation not once, not twice, but three times and then cried foul. WTF? I ain't buying.

[Eg_cruz]

Please tell me, what Hollywood organization, or any other network is airing Cosby's reruns? I am sure you wouldn't have written that post if you were not certain that it was true. Attacking Hollywood is always good for scoring points.

Now that his conviction has been set aside, do you believe he belongs back on TV or do you favor continuing to "cancel" him?
You can watch the Cosby Show airs on TVONE, Prime airs Fat Albert, Cosby airs free on Fawesome, The Cosby air on YouTube and you can watch pretty much any of his movies on demand………will continue to cancel him in my home pretty much for ever. He is still guilty

[Eg_cruz]

So what exactly do you object to in my previous response? I'm confused by your need to make this personal.
Not personal you are standing up for him when he is guilty.
My point is if it was someone you know would you be so fast to stand by him….knowing all you should know

[Becca9800]

Not personal you are standing up for him when he is guilty.
My point is if it was someone you know would you be so fast to stand by him….knowing all you should know

What I know is the 1st prosecutor states he didn't have evidence to convict, 1st trial ended w hung jury. Doesn't appear there was clear and convincing evidence of guilt, does there? 2nd trial was during the peak of the bullsh!t Me Too Movement and 50 more women come forward. What are the odds that all 50 experienced assault by BC and NONE of the 50 reported the event when it happened? 50. At the 2nd trial the "victim" beefed up the details of the alleged molestation, her testimony changed. At the 2nd trial the judge allowed 5 of those 50 accusers testify. None reported their assaults but they testified to it as if fact. I don't stand by BC, I stand with any person being accused decades later of a crime that may not have happened. Show me the proof. In this case, there wasn't the proof to send a man to prison. Ask any trial attorney if jurors tend to find with the facts or with their hearts.

FWIW, I think the 2nd prosecutor, the one who stepped all over BC's 5th A rights, should be criminally charged and civilly accountable. THAT should never be acceptable to any American citizen. Why aren't you concerned about that piece?

[blueash]

What I know is the 1st prosecutor states he didn't have evidence to convict, 1st trial ended w hung jury. Doesn't appear there was clear and convincing evidence of guilt, does there? 2nd trial was during the peak of the bullsh!t Me Too Movement and 50 more women come forward. What are the odds that all 50 experienced assault by BC and NONE of the 50 reported the event when it happened? 50. At the 2nd trial the "victim" beefed up the details of the alleged molestation, her testimony changed. At the 2nd trial the judge allowed 5 of those 50 accusers testify. None reported their assaults but they testified to it as if fact. I don't stand by BC, I stand with any person being accused decades later of a crime that may not have happened. Show me the proof. In this case, there wasn't the proof to send a man to prison. Ask any trial attorney if jurors tend to find with the facts or with their hearts.

FWIW, I think the 2nd prosecutor, the one who stepped all over BC's 5th A rights, should be criminally charged and civilly accountable. THAT should never be acceptable to any American citizen. Why aren't you concerned about that piece?

As you seem to be familiar with the details of the charges against Cosby, I wonder why you would cherry pick those details. Firstly. all of us should "stand with those accused" whether the alleged crime occurred decades ago or last week. That is the precious presumption of innocence which all defendants are granted. But there is a procedure under Pennsylvania law for the granting of immunity. It is encoded in the rules of the state and is certainly known to any prosecutor as to exactly what needs to be done to actually grant that immunity. You can read the details of what those requirements are in the court decision.

Bruce Castor completely ignored the rules and regulations for the grant of immunity which must be made in writing and signed. Immunity is NOT granted under the law of Pennsylvania by a prosecutor giving a press conference. So there was a real issue of law as to whether Cosby's statements in his depositions were somehow protected and whether or not he could have taken the 5th in those depositions. Again read the details in the court record. In fact this had already been litigated and the lower court held that there was NO promise of immunity and that Cosby's statements could be used against him. It was entirely reasonable for the later prosecutors to proceed with a trial given the opinion of the lower courts.


Please read the Penn Supreme Court's opinion on pages 26 - 27 which details the failures of Bruce Castor to follow the requirements of the law in the granting of immunity, if he intended to do so. And also explains that the victims attorney in the civil case never asked or was told that Cosby had been granted immunity:

As noted, the trial court denied the motion, finding that then-D.A. Castor never, in fact, reached an agreement with Cosby, or even promised Cosby that the Commonwealth would not prosecute him for assaulting Constand. T.C.O. at 62.
Instead, the trial court considered the interaction between the former district attorney and Cosby to be an incomplete and unauthorized contemplation of transactional immunity. The trial court found no authority for the “proposition that a prosecutor may unilaterally confer transactional immunity through a declaration as the sovereign.” Id. Rather, the court noted, such immunity can be conferred only upon strict compliance with Pennsylvania’s immunity statute, which is codified at 42 Pa.C.S. § 5947.14

Per the terms of the statute,

14 The immunity statute provides, in relevant part:
(a) General rule.--Immunity orders shall be available under this section in
all proceedings before:
(1) Courts.
* * *
(b) Request and issuance.--The Attorney General or a district attorney
may request an immunity order from any judge of a designated court, and
that judge shall issue such an order, when in the judgment of the Attorney
General or district attorney:
(1) the testimony or other information from a witness may be
necessary to the public interest; and
(2) a witness has refused or is likely to refuse to testify or provide
other information on the basis of his privilege against selfincrimination.[J-100-2020] - 28 permission from a court is a prerequisite to any offer of transactional immunity. See id.
§ 5947(b) (“The Attorney General or a district attorney may request an immunity order
from any judge of a designated court.”). Because D.A. Castor did not seek such
permission, and instead acted of his own volition, the trial court concluded that any
purported immunity offer was defective, and thus invalid. Consequently, according to the trial court, the “press release, signed or not, was legally insufficient to form the basis of an enforceable promise not to prosecute.” T.C.O. at 62.

The trial court also found that “Mr. Castor’s testimony about what he did and how
he did it was equivocal at best.” Id. at 63. The court deemed the former district attorney’s characterization of his decision-making and intent to be inconsistent, inasmuch as he testified at times that he intended transactional immunity, while asserting at other times that he intended use and derivative-use immunity. The trial court specifically credited Attorney Troiani’s statements that she never requested that Cosby be provided with immunity and that she did not specifically agree to any such offer.

[blueash]

All the fault in this case goes to the actions of Bruce Castor who is excoriated by the Penn Supreme Court's opinion. He failed to follow the rules of the state in granting immunity, if he meant to do so. He issued a confusing press release which included a line saying his office would revisit the criminal charges if more information became available which certainly does NOT sound like he is never going to prosecute.

The later prosecutors found more evidence of a pattern of drugging women to get them to not resist or even clearly remember Cosby's sexual predation. Contrary to what what written in this thread he DID admit to using Quaaludes mixed with alcohol on victims other that the one in the criminal indictment. Some of those other victims were allowed under Pennsylvania law to testify to establish a pattern of behavior of Cosby in the second trial, again those additional witnesses are allowed under the law.

The prosecutors who charged and convicted Cosby followed the law exactly. There was no proper grant of immunity. They developed additional witnesses and evidence. They tried and convicted Cosby based on his actions, the evidence and the law. The Supreme Court overturned the conviction because it disagreed with the lower court about the details of the meaning of the words in the press conference and whether the statements of Bruce Castor should be taken as an improper but still binding grant of immunity. And as our system of laws often does, any ambiguity is resolved to the benefit of the person harmed by the error.

[graciegirl]

I wanted so badly to think Bill Cosby was innocent. He was a brilliant and clever performer, and I thought such an educated man.

However, I am undecided now, again, about him being innocent of SO many charges.

But...I always wonder when a rich man is charged with these kinds of charges.

It saddens me to see an old man who used to be quite treasured, now shamed for possibly good reasons.

I wonder so many things. Usually if there is smoke, there is fire.

[Swoop]

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[Becca9800]

I wonder why you would cherry pick those details. That's rich. Given you did exactly as you accused me of doing (your posts are cherry-picked down to the pits.)

6-1 in favor of BC. 2 justices questioned if Castor had the authority to do what he did. “We should reject Castor’s misguided notion outright and declare that district attorneys do not possess this effective pardon power,” Justice Kevin Dougherty wrote in a partial dissent.

But they didn't reject outright, did they? Instead, they overturned the lower Court's ruling.

And the Court would have found in favor of BC again re: allowing 5 accusers to testify at 2nd trial, according to every legal expert I've heard discussing the issue.

BTW, thanks for the lesson on 'innocent until proven guilty', I did not know that's how it all worked.

[Taltarzac725]

I wanted so badly to think Bill Cosby was innocent. He was a brilliant and clever performer, and I thought such an educated man.

However, I am undecided now, again, about him being innocent of SO many charges.

But...I always wonder when a rich man is charged with these kinds of charges.

It saddens me to see an old man who used to be quite treasured, now shamed for possibly good reasons.

I wonder so many things. Usually if there is smoke, there is fire.

My younger brother would make jokes about Bill Cosby and those Jell-O Pudding Pops he marketed. This was often done in a lewd manner by my younger brother. He had a job with rental cars at the Reno Airport for a few years and would have heard the gossip about celebs playing the Reno-Tahoe area casinos like Bill Cosby. It also seemed that some show girls would not go near Bill Cosby. There was a lot of money invested by different people and corporations in the image of Bill Cosby.

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[OrangeBlossomBaby]

What I know is the 1st prosecutor states he didn't have evidence to convict, 1st trial ended w hung jury. Doesn't appear there was clear and convincing evidence of guilt, does there? 2nd trial was during the peak of the bullsh!t Me Too Movement and 50 more women come forward. What are the odds that all 50 experienced assault by BC and NONE of the 50 reported the event when it happened? 50. At the 2nd trial the "victim" beefed up the details of the alleged molestation, her testimony changed. At the 2nd trial the judge allowed 5 of those 50 accusers testify. None reported their assaults but they testified to it as if fact. I don't stand by BC, I stand with any person being accused decades later of a crime that may not have happened. Show me the proof. In this case, there wasn't the proof to send a man to prison. Ask any trial attorney if jurors tend to find with the facts or with their hearts.

FWIW, I think the 2nd prosecutor, the one who stepped all over BC's 5th A rights, should be criminally charged and civilly accountable. THAT should never be acceptable to any American citizen. Why aren't you concerned about that piece?

HE ADMITTED that he did it. He is guilty, and we know he's guilty, because he admitted to committing the crime, and admitted that he committed it not just on one woman, but on multiple women, at different times. He admitted that he slipped quaaludes into drinks that his victims drank, and then took advantage of their inebriation to have sex with them while they were unable to withhold consent.

The reason this is a big deal is NOT because he's innocent. It's NOT because we "don't know" enough. It's NOT because he "might not have done it." The reason it's a big deal is because he admitted it in exchange for immunity against criminal prosecution during a civil suit, and then the prosecution reneged on their promise.

That's why it's a big deal.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I wanted so badly to think Bill Cosby was innocent. He was a brilliant and clever performer, and I thought such an educated man.

However, I am undecided now, again, about him being innocent of SO many charges.

But...I always wonder when a rich man is charged with these kinds of charges.

It saddens me to see an old man who used to be quite treasured, now shamed for possibly good reasons.

I wonder so many things. Usually if there is smoke, there is fire.

He IS an educated man.

He ADMITTED that he put quaaludes (prescription muscle relaxers) into alcoholic beverages that he gave women who he then had sex with after they were too inebriated to protest. He admitted this years ago.

He shamed himself.

However, some people can separate fiction from reality. Dr. Huxtable was a great role-model. He was also a fictional character on a sit-com. Bill Cosby, the actor who played Dr. Huxtable, is an incredibly talented actor. He was also a sexual predator. I say was, because I'm going out on a limb here and assuming that he isn't capable of being a predator of any kind, anymore, and no woman in their right mind would let him buy them a drink, anymore.

[Taltarzac725]

The women who did not report Bill Cosby also feared being blacklisted by the powers that be in their various professions especially if this was in the casino, entertainment, education and athletic areas. Cosby had a great deal of influence through much of his career.

[Becca9800]

HE ADMITTED that he did it.

He admitted to consensual sex with multiple women. He admitted to offering drugs to women he wanted to have sex w. He denied ever giving drugs to a woman wo her knowledge. He maintains today that he did nothing illegal. He's long said he would serve his full 10 year sentence before admitting to any wrongdoing. He refused to take a a sexual deviant re-education course in prison which caused his petition for parole to be denied.

He is guilty, and we know he's guilty,

YOU know no such thing. Unless YOU were there, YOU don't know how it went down. YOU believe him to be guilty.

because he admitted to committing the crime,

<sigh> repetition does not make your beliefs any more factual.


He admitted that he slipped quaaludes into drinks that his victims drank.....

Nothing I've read bears out your claim. Give me a credible source for your belief.

The reason this is a big deal is NOT because he's innocent. It's NOT because we "don't know" enough. It's NOT because he "might not have done it." The reason it's a big deal is because he admitted it in exchange for immunity against criminal prosecution during a civil suit, and then the prosecution reneged on their promise. That's why it's a big deal.

Seems it's a big deal on both counts, at least to some. Including you. You first wanted to point out that he was guilty, followed by why he's guilty. You seem angered that he was released. No? The real issue here didn't come into play until your closing paragraph. But no worries, I'm sure you were just saving the best for last. People are enraged that he was released. The enraged don't care a whit about the 5A violation. I hear them bemoaning all day long about the guilty one that had enough power, money, friends and influence to get away w multiple rapes. Not once did I hear any tandem concern for his rights, or even an acknowledgment that his rights were trampled. And I agree, it is a huge deal.

[Taltarzac725]

Bill Cosby sexual assault cases - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cosby_sexual_assault_cases)

Worth a close reading of this. I would not want Bill Cosby anywhere near my grand niece, nieces, or anyone else.

He was released from a just sentence on a legal technicality to punish a prosecutor for that man's actions or negligence in his practice of the law. What about the victims and where is the equity in this?

[Taltarzac725]

Cosby smiles during victimology testimony | Page Six (https://pagesix.com/2018/04/10/cosby-smiles-during-victimology-testimony/)

This is also deeply troubling.

[graciegirl]

He IS an educated man.

He ADMITTED that he put quaaludes (prescription muscle relaxers) into alcoholic beverages that he gave women who he then had sex with after they were too inebriated to protest. He admitted this years ago.

He shamed himself.

However, some people can separate fiction from reality. Dr. Huxtable was a great role-model. He was also a fictional character on a sit-com. Bill Cosby, the actor who played Dr. Huxtable, is an incredibly talented actor. He was also a sexual predator. I say was, because I'm going out on a limb here and assuming that he isn't capable of being a predator of any kind, anymore, and no woman in their right mind would let him buy them a drink, anymore.

There are many kinds of sexual exploitation. Two stand out to me;

One done by men when they say or do things untruthfully to coerce a woman to have sex and use drugs or alcohol. (That method is very old)

The other is the kind when a woman uses a man for monetary gain or attaining a more powerful position of some kind for having sex. (Even people holding high positions in government have used these) (That method is also very old.)

My mother said this to us girls; "They won't buy the cow, if they get the milk free." That seems to not be valid anymore.

[Gulfcoast]

He IS an educated man.

He ADMITTED that he put quaaludes (prescription muscle relaxers) into alcoholic beverages that he gave women who he then had sex with after they were too inebriated to protest. He admitted this years ago.

He shamed himself.

However, some people can separate fiction from reality. Dr. Huxtable was a great role-model. He was also a fictional character on a sit-com. Bill Cosby, the actor who played Dr. Huxtable, is an incredibly talented actor. He was also a sexual predator. I say was, because I'm going out on a limb here and assuming that he isn't capable of being a predator of any kind, anymore, and no woman in their right mind would let him buy them a drink, anymore.

Bill Cosby was Bill Cosby the comedian before he played Dr. Huxtable. I'm sure that most of us remember Bill Cosby talking about his real wife and kids during his stand up routines. Everyone loved him and found him to be very relatable.

Then these shocking allegations came out and this is simply not something that people wanted to believe about the man. How could funny, lovable, decent Bill Cosby have such a dark side to his character?

Phylicia Rashad worked closely with Bill Cosby for years and never saw that side to him. I'm not sure how that's possible given the number of women Cosby is alleged to have assaulted over the years....but I do believe Phylicia when she says that she never saw Cosby behaving inappropriately towards women.

The whole thing is a tragedy on so many different levels. It's one of those things that a lot of people don't want to believe. But if he actually admitted to drugging women in order to have his way with then what else can we believe? It's horrible.

[Taltarzac725]

Bill Cosby was Bill Cosby the comedian before he played Dr. Huxtable. I'm sure that most of us remember Bill Cosby talking about his real wife and kids during his stand up routines. Everyone loved him and found him to be very relatable.

Then these shocking allegations came out and this is simply not something that people wanted to believe about the man. How could funny, lovable, decent Bill Cosby have such a dark side to his character?

Phylicia Rashad worked closely with Bill Cosby for years and never saw that side to him. I'm not sure how that's possible given the number of women Cosby is alleged to have assaulted over the years....but I do believe Phylicia when she says that she never saw Cosby behaving inappropriately towards women.

The whole thing is a tragedy on so many different levels. It's one of those things that a lot of people don't want to believe. But if he actually admitted to drugging women in order to have his way with then what else can we believe? It's horrible.

Bill Cosby Allegedly Fired Lisa Bonet from A Different World for Getting Pregnant (https://tvweb.com/bill-cosby-fired-lisa-bonet-a-different-world/)

It seemed to be seen by other people in the Cosby show.

[Quickdraw]

The civil suits against Crosby are unlikely to produce beneficial results for the women suing Crosby, assuming his asset protection lawyers are competent. The man has good lawyers, and it is unlikely that he will not use all the time he has between these suits being filed and the resulting judgments being entered, to get himself in a position to avoid paying any judgments. While the law prevents someone from "giving away" assets to avoid judgments (i.e. fraudulent transfers) one can always retain one's assets while merely changing the form of the assets from assets which are not exempt from judgment creditors to assets which are exempt from judgment creditors. I am unaware of how homestead law works in PA, but there is a good reason OJ now resides in Florida, where your homestead, irrespective of value, is exempt from the claims of creditors. Also, in Florida, annuities are assets which are exempt from the claims of creditors, and I would assume that Crosby and his lawyers are smart enough to know these things. Wouldn't be surprised to see Crosby sell his home in PA and move to FL, after having most, if not all, of his liquid cash assets converted into annuities. While doing these things are always inconvenient, and sometimes difficult to accomplish, in any case, these are just two of many ways to validly and legally
prevent creditors from taking your assets.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The civil suits against Crosby are unlikely to produce beneficial results for the women suing Crosby, assuming his asset protection lawyers are competent. The man has good lawyers, and it is unlikely that he will not use all the time he has between these suits being filed and the resulting judgments being entered, to get himself in a position to avoid paying any judgments. While the law prevents someone from "giving away" assets to avoid judgments (i.e. fraudulent transfers) one can always retain one's assets while merely changing the form of the assets from assets which are not exempt from judgment creditors to assets which are exempt from judgment creditors. I am unaware of how homestead law works in PA, but there is a good reason OJ now resides in Florida, where your homestead, irrespective of value, is exempt from the claims of creditors. Also, in Florida, annuities are assets which are exempt from the claims of creditors, and I would assume that Crosby and his lawyers are smart enough to know these things. Wouldn't be surprised to see Crosby sell his home in PA and move to FL, after having most, if not all, of his liquid cash assets converted into annuities. While doing these things are always inconvenient, and sometimes difficult to accomplish, in any case, these are just two of many ways to validly and legally
prevent creditors from taking your assets.

They already sued him, and they already got paid. He was criminally prosecuted AFTER those lawsuits.

[Becca9800]

They already sued him, and they already got paid. He was criminally prosecuted AFTER those lawsuits.

He was sued by 7 women for defamation, his insurance carrier settled wo his approval, it wasn't required. Cosby was angry his carrier settled, he maintains his innocence as of this day. "Each of the plaintiffs were satisfied with the settlement."

Another abandoned her claim.

There is one pending.

[Becca9800]

Bill Cosby Allegedly Fired Lisa Bonet from A Different World for Getting Pregnant (https://tvweb.com/bill-cosby-fired-lisa-bonet-a-different-world/)

It seemed to be seen by other people in the Cosby show.

Please provide reference to one co-star that spoke out against him.

Denise Huxtable was an unmarried college student when married Lisa Bonet became pregnant. It was pitched that Denise would give birth and raise the baby alone. Bill said, Lisa Bonet is pregnant, Denise Huxtable is not." Guess he had a vision of the traditional family and its values. So it seems Bill didn't fire Lisa bc she was pregnant, she simply didn't fit the role he wanted portrayed.

[Taltarzac725]

Please provide reference to one co-star that spoke out against him.

Denise Huxtable was an unmarried college student when married Lisa Bonet became pregnant. It was pitched that Denise would give birth and raise the baby alone. Bill said, Lisa Bonet is pregnant, Denise Huxtable is not." Guess he had a vision of the traditional family and its values. So it seems Bill didn't fire Lisa bc she was pregnant, she simply didn't fit the role he wanted portrayed.

Right. Like a typical Dad has how many women accusing him of sexual assault in some way?

[Becca9800]

Right. Like a typical Dad has how many women accusing him of sexual assault in some way?

Right. Funny how they came out of the woodwork. All at the same time.

Do you have a reference to back up your claim? Or no?

[JMintzer]

The civil suits against Crosby are unlikely to produce beneficial results for the women suing Crosby, assuming his asset protection lawyers are competent. The man has good lawyers, and it is unlikely that he will not use all the time he has between these suits being filed and the resulting judgments being entered, to get himself in a position to avoid paying any judgments. While the law prevents someone from "giving away" assets to avoid judgments (i.e. fraudulent transfers) one can always retain one's assets while merely changing the form of the assets from assets which are not exempt from judgment creditors to assets which are exempt from judgment creditors. I am unaware of how homestead law works in PA, but there is a good reason OJ now resides in Florida, where your homestead, irrespective of value, is exempt from the claims of creditors. Also, in Florida, annuities are assets which are exempt from the claims of creditors, and I would assume that Crosby and his lawyers are smart enough to know these things. Wouldn't be surprised to see Crosby sell his home in PA and move to FL, after having most, if not all, of his liquid cash assets converted into annuities. While doing these things are always inconvenient, and sometimes difficult to accomplish, in any case, these are just two of many ways to validly and legally
prevent creditors from taking your assets.

Crosby?

The singer or the hockey player?

[Taltarzac725]

Right. Funny how they came out of the woodwork. All at the same time.

Do you have a reference to back up your claim? Or no?

Any reputable newspaper article on Bill Cosby's behavior toward women published in the past 3 years or so. https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-bill-cosby-timeline-htmlstory.html

[Becca9800]

Any reputable newspaper article on Bill Cosby's behavior toward women published in the past 3 years or so. Bill Cosby: A 50-year chronicle of accusations and accomplishments - Los Angeles Times (https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-bill-cosby-timeline-htmlstory.html)

The laughable leftist LA Times is behind a pay wall and I'm not paying to read that crap.

Is there a co-star lending to the accuser's credibility within this LA Times article??? THAT was the request, one co-star speaking out against BC. Bc I found nothing in my search for same. Nothing where a co-star said he exhibited un-welcomed behavior. Nothing suggesting such behavior was part and parcel w BC. Yet there you are posting articles and putting YOUR inflammatory spin on same.

[Nucky]

I feel sorry for his victims. I think we can say he is no threat anymore except psychologically which can be just as bad as psychically. Time will solve this one. If he assaulted as many as came forward and made a claim I would imagine revenge of some sort is on their mind.

He will be fighting lawsuits till his grave.

[Becca9800]

I feel sorry for his victims. I think we can say he is no threat anymore except psychologically which can be just as bad as psychically. Time will solve this one. If he assaulted as many as came forward and made a claim I would imagine revenge of some sort is on their mind.

He will be fighting lawsuits till his grave.

IF he's guilty as accused, I hope he burns in Hell. How any of us, sitting in our nicely padded TV armchairs can make that call is so beyond me. And to those who think they were there, are prosecutor, jury AND judge, I'm thinking you too might be bound for the same ending. May God have mercy on your judgemental souls.

[Taltarzac725]

IF he's guilty as accused, I hope he burns in Hell. How any of us, sitting in our nicely padded TV armchairs can make that call is so beyond me. And to those who think they were there, are prosecutor, jury AND judge, I'm thinking you too might be bound for the same ending. May God have mercy on your judgemental souls.

How about stating the facts. Bill Cosby outfoxed the law but he’ll never escape his guilt | World | The Sunday Times (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bill-cosby-outfoxed-the-law-but-hell-never-escape-his-guilt-5knk3m2th)

Somehow, I knew Bill Cosby would find a way to beat the system. Because, in the United States at least, there’s justice — and then there’s celebrity justice. It’s a lesson I learnt when I began covering the Cosby story more than 16 years ago.

Allegations that the entertainer known as “America’s dad” had drugged and sexually assaulted a woman at his Elkins Park mansion just outside Philadelphia broke on January 20, 2005. I was an investigative crime reporter for the Philadelphia Daily News. When my boss assigned the story to me, my initial reaction was: “Not the Cos!”

[Becca9800]

How about stating the facts. Bill Cosby outfoxed the law but he’ll never escape his guilt | World | The Sunday Times (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bill-cosby-outfoxed-the-law-but-hell-never-escape-his-guilt-5knk3m2th)

What do you want? I can find 10 articles that dispute your one. Bottom line, you weren't there, you are not privy to all the details and facts. Admit that you have no idea if he's guilty or innocent. Please, just admit you are a judgemental individual. That you are all-knowing, all-wise to/of everything in our Universe, and we'll at last agree on something. G'nite now, I've wasted enough time here.