Plans for the end of the world?

[GrumpyOldMan]

More and more evidence of the ultra-rich making arrangements to isolate themselves from the common rift raft and potentially survive an existential event.

New Zealand passed a law limiting the purchase of land by the ultra-rich for survival "bunkers". (Imagine extravagant luxury towers underground), because so much of their country was being bought up, and taken from its citizens.

Today I saw an article about a Yacht Liner, 730 feet, with 39 apartments ($11 million ea), bars, clubs, etc, etc., etc. A floating city, for the Richie Rich's.

So, the thought that comes to my mind, when the Apocolypse does come - climate change, war, pandemic, alien invasion, or whatever they are concerned with that wipes out the common rabble - who are the rich survivers going to exploit?

EDITED to remove a political reference that was unintended.

[Stu from NYC]

Guess we should build a storm cellar with a very powerful pump.

[JoelJohnson]

Who is going to do all the work that the rich refuse to do if they are the only ones left?

[GrumpyOldMan]

guess we should build a storm cellar with a very powerful pump.

lol!

[Get real]

More and more evidence of the ultra-rich making arrangements to isolate themselves from the common rift raft and potentially survive an existential event.

New Zealand passed a law limiting the purchase of land by the ultra-rich for survival "bunkers". (Imagine Trump Towers underground), because so much of their country was being bought up, and taken from its citizens.

Today I saw an article about a Yacht Liner, 730 feet, with 39 apartments ($11 million ea), bars, clubs, etc, etc., etc. A floating city, for the Richie Rich's.

So, the thought that comes to my mind, when the Apocolypse does come - climate change, war, pandemic, alien invasion, or whatever they are concerned with that wipes out the common rabble - who are the rich survivers going to exploit?

They will miss out on town square happy hour. :MOJE_whot:

[GrumpyOldMan]

Who is going to do all the work that the rich refuse to do if they are the only ones left?

Yup, imagine the look on their faces when they come out of their survival shelter and realized there no one to rule.

[Ben Franklin]

Yup, imagine the look on their faces when they come out of their survival shelter and realized there no one to rule.

That's how they will perish. No one left for them to exploit.

[Byte1]

Wealth envy is very unhealthy. I do not care what happens to others in "THE END" because if I am a survivor, I will be too busy surviving. The only wealthy in an apocalypse will be the one that has something of value in which to barter for essentials. Maybe toilet paper will be currency. I doubt anyone here will be around to wonder about the rich by the time the END comes. Although, I have heard that a major solar flare will damage half our world in the next five years. Better stock up on toilet paper...........:1rotfl:

[Arctic Fox]

Anyone living in The Villages is rich compared to 99% of the World's population, so consider it your survival bunker and live life to the max.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Wealth envy is very unhealthy. I do not care what happens to others in "THE END" because if I am a survivor, I will be too busy surviving. The only wealthy in an apocalypse will be the one that has something of value in which to barter for essentials. Maybe toilet paper will be currency. I doubt anyone here will be around to wonder about the rich by the time the END comes. Although, I have heard that a major solar flare will damage half our world in the next five years. Better stock up on toilet paper...........:1rotfl:

One, I don't envy them at all. And two wealth is just another word for power. No money, no power, lots of money, lots of power.

And it doesn't matter what the currency is after the apocalypse, what matters is who controls it - again power.

If I were a multi-billionaire I would not worry so much about having a comfy bed to sleep in, as I would invest in a serious power station (in my underground bunker) - maybe nuke - energy will be one of the most valuable assets.

[Gulfcoast]

Let them live in their Dungeons and Dragons Lalaland. If we're lucky they'll go into their luxury bunkers and get locked in "by accident".

As for me, I'll continue to hang out with my good friends Riff and Raff.

[Malsua]

Yup, imagine the look on their faces when they come out of their survival shelter and realized there no one to rule.

I prefer to think of the look on their faces when they come out and realize their rulers are already outside. In fact, they might have to evacuate their bunkers a bit early when the smoke coming into the inlets gets a bit more than the scrubbers can handle.

I don't know about Ya'll, but the Humungous seems like a reasonable man and I'm a pretty handy fellow. I think I'd fit right into his organization.

[Two Bills]

I am in my 80's, and as a great actor once said, "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn!"

[kkingston57]

More and more evidence of the ultra-rich making arrangements to isolate themselves from the common rift raft and potentially survive an existential event.

New Zealand passed a law limiting the purchase of land by the ultra-rich for survival "bunkers". (Imagine Trump Towers underground), because so much of their country was being bought up, and taken from its citizens.

Today I saw an article about a Yacht Liner, 730 feet, with 39 apartments ($11 million ea), bars, clubs, etc, etc., etc. A floating city, for the Richie Rich's.

So, the thought that comes to my mind, when the Apocolypse does come - climate change, war, pandemic, alien invasion, or whatever they are concerned with that wipes out the common rabble - who are the rich survivers going to exploit?

Per R.E.M "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine"

[Blueblaze]

More and more evidence of the ultra-rich making arrangements to isolate themselves from the common rift raft and potentially survive an existential event.

New Zealand passed a law limiting the purchase of land by the ultra-rich for survival "bunkers". (Imagine Trump Towers underground), because so much of their country was being bought up, and taken from its citizens.

Today I saw an article about a Yacht Liner, 730 feet, with 39 apartments ($11 million ea), bars, clubs, etc, etc., etc. A floating city, for the Richie Rich's.

So, the thought that comes to my mind, when the Apocolypse does come - climate change, war, pandemic, alien invasion, or whatever they are concerned with that wipes out the common rabble - who are the rich survivers going to exploit?

Yeah! We hate those rich guys, right? No exploiters around here!

Man, I feel bad for all those poor exploited people who had to take money from those "Richy Rich" guys just to build them a big dumb escape yacht they'll never use! You know, those downtrodden proletariats don't get to play golf in Senior Disneyworld like us regular folks. Heck, those poor saps have to work for a living! Imagine the indignity!

Damn those rich guys! Why do they have to make poor people build stuff for a living? Will the exploiting never end?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Sounds like a few nerves were touched - sorry, the post was mostly tongue in cheek.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'll be topside, having a pina colada and enjoying life because I'm one of those people who believe in science and know the sky isn't falling - while the conspiracy nutjobs are stuck in their 50-year bunkers eating MREs.

[Kenswing]

More and more evidence of the ultra-rich making arrangements to isolate themselves from the common rift raft and potentially survive an existential event.

New Zealand passed a law limiting the purchase of land by the ultra-rich for survival "bunkers". (Imagine Trump Towers underground), because so much of their country was being bought up, and taken from its citizens.

Today I saw an article about a Yacht Liner, 730 feet, with 39 apartments ($11 million ea), bars, clubs, etc, etc., etc. A floating city, for the Richie Rich's.

So, the thought that comes to my mind, when the Apocolypse does come - climate change, war, pandemic, alien invasion, or whatever they are concerned with that wipes out the common rabble - who are the rich survivers going to exploit?Are you just asking this out of boredom or do you really worry about this stuff at this point in your life?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Are you just asking this out of boredom or do you really worry about this stuff at this point in your life?

Just looking for ways to stir the pot without politics - LOL

I guess it is boredom sort of, and testing the waters to see what people here like to talk about. The Metal band Disturbed thread did okay...

This particular one was prompted by an article about the Yacht Liner with apartments for $11 Million each. And thinking what a different world some people live in where they spend $11M on an apartment they might use a couple times a year - maybe.

[tvbound]

There are a lot of people who partially justify their lack of concern of the impact of climate change, on their personal belief that the apocalypse will happen soon anyway. I had an otherwise normal supervisor in the early 80's whose entire small church, in a small town, headed for the hills based on their belief that the world would be ending on a certain date. The mistake he made was broadcasting it and trying to convince everyone else, so when he eventually came back to work - he didn't want to talk about it. lol

[Topspinmo]

Wealth envy is very unhealthy. I do not care what happens to others in "THE END" because if I am a survivor, I will be too busy surviving. The only wealthy in an apocalypse will be the one that has something of value in which to barter for essentials. Maybe toilet paper will be currency. I doubt anyone here will be around to wonder about the rich by the time the END comes. Although, I have heard that a major solar flare will damage half our world in the next five years. Better stock up on toilet paper...........:1rotfl:


News flash, regardless of what happens or how much money person has the end is near and there NOTHING you can do about it.

[golfing eagles]

Just looking for ways to stir the pot without politics - LOL

I guess it is boredom sort of, and testing the waters to see what people here like to talk about. The Metal band Disturbed thread did okay...

This particular one was prompted by an article about the Yacht Liner with apartments for $11 Million each. And thinking what a different world some people live in where they spend $11M on an apartment they might use a couple times a year - maybe.

Actually, the whole thread is political and class warfare. But nothing new---google "Derinkuyu"
But to whet your appetite:

"The underground city of Derinkuyu, even though located under the surface, was connected with the world. This ancient city was connected to other underground settlements through a series of tunnels.

Underground Derinkuyu was a fully working community; having specific sections underground such as shops, communal rooms, wells, tombs, arsenals, apartments, religious buildings and escape routes. People living in underground Derinkuyu had everything they needed to live life properly.

Underground Derinkuyu is believed to have been capable of offering proper living conditions to around 50,000 people."

No one knows for sure who built it, how, or when, and we would have trouble building today with our modern technology, if we could at all. And interestingly, one of the theories on WHY it was built was "climate change"

[jonathanb]

When the LORD does return believe me underground bunkers will do you no good.

[J1ceasar]

It is so true that way you're looking to live not only in The Villages and all the surrounding communities. Don't forget the bubble only exists in your mind. We're lucky to be alive, we are lucky to be retired, we are lucky to have such wonderful children, and for most of us to have decent health

[Annie66]

Who is going to do all the work that the rich refuse to do if they are the only ones left?

My very thought.

[Billy1]

As we learned in the last year, stock pile alcohol and toilet paper. Or, as the man said to the news reporter in Mississippi after hurricane Ivan, we need food down here, I've been drinking beer and eating potato chips for two weeks.

[Hiltongrizz11]

Riff raff not rift raft!

[Blueblaze]

My very thought.

I dunno... my very thought was that a lot of rich folks around here refuse to mow their lawns. Somehow it still gets done, usually by some other rich guy.

Heck, I'm so rich I can afford to live in a place where the closest thing to work I ever have to do is to drive a little car through a park and get out every now and then to whack a ball with a stick! But I bet Mr. Massey is a heck of a lot richer than me. Even the guy he pays to ride the mower is richer than 99.9% of the people who have ever been born on this planet

Personal experience would seem to indicate that capitalism continues to function just fine, even when there's no-one left but rich folks. In fact, if anything, it seems to work better when there's no socialists trying to force everyone to be equally destitute.

[GOLFER54]

Who’s gonna pump the gas into those gigantic yachts ?

[llaran]

it's the Hunger Games!

[mydavid]

Really this is what we are talking about?

[nick demis]

There are so many things to worry about with life, this falls next to worrying about the family life of the mosquito I just smacked on my arm.

[llaran]

Justin Bieber just bought a 4th home for a billion. also an article about multimillion $ homes sitting idle for years that celebrities own.

[tvbound]

Justin Bieber just bought a 4th home for a billion. also an article about multimillion $ homes sitting idle for years that celebrities own.

Bieber bought a billion dollar home? Yeah, OK. lol

[GrumpyOldMan]

I dunno... my very thought was that a lot of rich folks around here refuse to mow their lawns. Somehow it still gets done, usually by some other rich guy.

Heck, I'm so rich I can afford to live in a place where the closest thing to work I ever have to do is to drive a little car through a park and get out every now and then to whack a ball with a stick! But I bet Mr. Massey is a heck of a lot richer than me. Even the guy he pays to ride the mower is richer than 99.9% of the people who have ever been born on this planet

Personal experience would seem to indicate that capitalism continues to function just fine, even when there's no-one left but rich folks. In fact, if anything, it seems to work better when there's no socialists trying to force everyone to be equally destitute.

This is at least a part of why I started this thread.

We are rich, compared to most of the world, but at the very same time, we are very poor compared to some. I seriously doubt there are any residents of The Villages that can toss $11 million for an apartment on a boat that they will use a couple of times per year. Or spend $100 million on an underground bunker that they might need maybe someday.

My point is that having that kind of disposable income, in my not so humble opinion, results in people living in a totally different world and being completely out of touch with "our" reality.

[jog222]

when the lord does return believe me underground bunkers will do you no good.

amen!!!:)

[GrumpyOldMan]

Justin Bieber just bought a 4th home for a billion. also an article about multimillion $ homes sitting idle for years that celebrities own.

I can find nothing about Bieber buying a Billion dollar home. The most expensive I can find is $25 million or so. His net worth is estimated to be around $285M.

The people I am referring to are generally multi-billionaires. Multi-billionaires live in a different world than even the Biebers.

[Swoop]

More and more evidence of the ultra-rich making arrangements to isolate themselves from the common rift raft and potentially survive an existential event.

New Zealand passed a law limiting the purchase of land by the ultra-rich for survival "bunkers". (Imagine extravagant luxury towers underground), because so much of their country was being bought up, and taken from its citizens.

Today I saw an article about a Yacht Liner, 730 feet, with 39 apartments ($11 million ea), bars, clubs, etc, etc., etc. A floating city, for the Richie Rich's.

So, the thought that comes to my mind, when the Apocolypse does come - climate change, war, pandemic, alien invasion, or whatever they are concerned with that wipes out the common rabble - who are the rich survivers going to exploit?

EDITED to remove a political reference that was unintended.
You apparently hold a grudge against anyone who is more successful than you in a country where everyone has the opportunity to succeed. But let’s look at it from a different perspective. There are plenty of people living outside the Villages that feel the same way about the residents of The Villages, as you do about the “Richie Rich’s”. Here’s your chance to not just talk about wealth disparity, but do something about it. Take your net worth and divide it amongst the people who resent you for having more. Not when you die - now. Not just a donation - all of it. Then you can finally shed your white wealth guilt and live out the rest of your life guilt free…

[golfing eagles]

You are kidding right? Tell me that you aren't that paranoid cause if you are, you might should seek some medical help.

All I can say is, based on this thread, I am now starting a new business selling "end of the world insurance". There may be some customers here.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[DAVES]

More and more evidence of the ultra-rich making arrangements to isolate themselves from the common rift raft and potentially survive an existential event.

New Zealand passed a law limiting the purchase of land by the ultra-rich for survival "bunkers". (Imagine extravagant luxury towers underground), because so much of their country was being bought up, and taken from its citizens.

Today I saw an article about a Yacht Liner, 730 feet, with 39 apartments ($11 million ea), bars, clubs, etc, etc., etc. A floating city, for the Richie Rich's.

So, the thought that comes to my mind, when the Apocolypse does come - climate change, war, pandemic, alien invasion, or whatever they are concerned with that wipes out the common rabble - who are the rich survivers going to exploit?

EDITED to remove a political reference that was unintended.


Wow what a negative world view. Rich for many is anyone who has more than I do.
Oh and anyone who has more than I do they are evil, I of course am good.

The voice of experience. I've been poor. I am not in the top 1% but I am comfortable-whatever that means. While money may not buy happiness, in the real world it does give you far more options and it does make misery far more fun.

[MandoMan]

More and more evidence of the ultra-rich making arrangements to isolate themselves from the common rift raft and potentially survive an existential event.

New Zealand passed a law limiting the purchase of land by the ultra-rich for survival "bunkers". (Imagine extravagant luxury towers underground), because so much of their country was being bought up, and taken from its citizens.

Today I saw an article about a Yacht Liner, 730 feet, with 39 apartments ($11 million ea), bars, clubs, etc, etc., etc. A floating city, for the Richie Rich's.

So, the thought that comes to my mind, when the Apocolypse does come - climate change, war, pandemic, alien invasion, or whatever they are concerned with that wipes out the common rabble - who are the rich survivers going to exploit?

EDITED to remove a political reference that was unintended.

It’s a complete waste of money. Don’t trouble your mind about it. When these supposed super-rich come out of their bunkers or dock their ships, they won’t like what they find, and what they find won’t like them.

I taught popular classes in Post-Apocalyptic Fiction for a number of years at a university. If you want a good book to read, try George Stewart’s “Earth Abides.” I think it was published in 1948, and there is a good reason it is still in print: it’s a great novel. The speaker is a very creative geologist with a graduate degree from Berkeley. He has what it takes to save civilization, if anyone does. However, there aren’t many people left alive, and the various accidents that happen kills off even more. By the end of the book, his great-grandchildren are good at hunting and gathering, but none of them can read or write.

Another thought-provoking novel is “World Made By Hand,” by Jane’s Kunstler (2008). Set in a little town north of Albany, New York, life gets gradually more dangerous and things taken for granted are no longer available. Civilization is devolving. As T.S. Eliot wrote, “This is the way the world ends: Not with a bang but with a whimper.”

Or if you want excitement, try S.M. Stirling’s novel “Dies the Fire” and the many sequels.

[Grunt 1946]

Does anyone really think the super-rich cab keep their abodes from the rabble with 123 guns (FBI statistics) for every man woman and child in America in addition, to trillions of rounds of ammo stashed away?

[DAVES]

More and more evidence of the ultra-rich making arrangements to isolate themselves from the common rift raft and potentially survive an existential event.

New Zealand passed a law limiting the purchase of land by the ultra-rich for survival "bunkers". (Imagine extravagant luxury towers underground), because so much of their country was being bought up, and taken from its citizens.

Today I saw an article about a Yacht Liner, 730 feet, with 39 apartments ($11 million ea), bars, clubs, etc, etc., etc. A floating city, for the Richie Rich's.

So, the thought that comes to my mind, when the Apocolypse does come - climate change, war, pandemic, alien invasion, or whatever they are concerned with that wipes out the common rabble - who are the rich survivers going to exploit?

EDITED to remove a political reference that was unintended.

People who are asking about construction around here. You've seen the rain. There is a secret club, ALL ARE ALL WEALTHY, building an arc. Did you not get the flier?

Hum, on a restricted thread they are debating about food quality and entertainment.
Propulsion OIL? SOLAR? Or a bunch of 70 year old rowers.

[JMintzer]

Does anyone really think the super-rich cab keep their abodes from the rabble with 123 guns (FBI statistics) for every man woman and child in America in addition, to trillions of rounds of ammo stashed away?

123 guns per person?


Bwahahaha! Nothing even close to that... I'd love to know where you found that "statistic"... (p.s., you're only off by a factor of 100)

Plus, I like your use of the word "rabble" for gun owners... Nice touch!

[sail33or]

The first thought I have on this is why do mega wealthy folks ALWAYS buy or build themselves GIANT homes. They could buy a say $3MM home and donate $40-50 Million to Charity. Notice just about everyone tries to get the biggest house. I was friends with a Realtor of the Year (who earned 7 figures regularly) and asked what her secret was. She said she only dealt with surgeons. She would send them pictures of what their peers just bought knowing they would have to find something bigger.

My second thought is that Capitalism is a good system (because it utilizes human's greed for generally the creation of opportunity for all) however just like the game "Monopoly" at some point there is a winner. We have reached that point where we know who the winners are in this round. They own/control all the money. So there needs to be a trophy given, money returned to the bank and start a new game.

[karostay]

Its already here

[haysus7]

I hope to be at ground zero

[golfing eagles]

I hope to be at ground zero

Anywhere within 1/4 mile should be good enough for an instant departure. Go to 5 miles if you want to linger for a month or so.

[Kenswing]

Does anyone really think the super-rich cab keep their abodes from the rabble with 123 guns (FBI statistics) for every man woman and child in America in addition, to trillions of rounds of ammo stashed away?

That's taking Fake News to a new level. Can you please at least show the link to where you got that ridiculous number?

[brines]

the world needs ditch diggers too,and someone to sing mustang sally

[jmaccallum]

Will we call it “sheet” currency? Or like, you can buy a lot “sheet” with this?

Now I want to survive just to see how that turns out! :a040:

[jdulej]

That's taking Fake News to a new level. Can you please at least show the link to where you got that ridiculous number?

I think (not sure) what this person is referring to is a stat I read a while ago stating that of the people who own guns (it is not a very high percentage of the adult population) they average some crazy number per person - may not be 153 but why it is more than 1 or 2 is beyond me

[golfing eagles]

I think (not sure) what this person is referring to is a stat I read a while ago stating that of the people who own guns (it is not a very high percentage of the adult population) they average some crazy number per person - may not be 153 but why it is more than 1 or 2 is beyond me

Right tool for the right job?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[GrumpyOldMan]

123 guns per person?


Bwahahaha! Nothing even close to that... I'd love to know where you found that "statistic"... (p.s., you're only off by a factor of 100)

Plus, I like your use of the word "rabble" for gun owners... Nice touch!

I agree with you.

I think the numbers I have seen are about 300 million guns in circulation in the US, and about 50% of people own guns. So, that leads to 2 guns per person on average. I am not sure if that 50% number was taking into account children. So, the 123 might be a bit high - LOL.

And yeah, I think most gun owners a responsible and not rabble.

[Kenswing]

I think (not sure) what this person is referring to is a stat I read a while ago stating that of the people who own guns (it is not a very high percentage of the adult population) they average some crazy number per person - may not be 153 but why it is more than 1 or 2 is beyond me

One or two? If you're a hunter you would have at least a couple shotguns for birds. A rifle for deer, maybe another for elk and moose. If you're into big game even more. That's not even taking into account for any home defense/self protection or recreational weapons.

If you're a competitive shooter you have even more. If you're a collector, more yet. Sorry those small numbers are beyond you.

[GrumpyOldMan]

One or two? If you're a hunter you would have at least a couple shotguns for birds. A rifle for deer, maybe another for elk and moose. If you're into big game even more. That's not even taking into account for any home defense/self protection or recreational weapons.

If you're a competitive shooter you have even more. If you're a collector, more yet. Sorry those small numbers are beyond you.

I think it is "average". Some people do own hundreds, some own none. I don't recall where, I think it was the FBI, I read about 50% of Americans don't own a gun.

[chuckpedrey]

I subscribe to the pre-tribulation rapture theory so with any luck I can view their confusion from on high.

[La lamy]

Who is going to do all the work that the rich refuse to do if they are the only ones left?

:1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

[La lamy]

I'd be so unprepared if I was faced with long term survival. I have zero hoarding instincts, so it'd be 'make do with one week's worth of food' for me!

[flsteve]

If you want a good book to read, try George Stewart’s “Earth Abides.” I think it was published in 1948, and there is a good reason it is still in print: it’s a great novel. The speaker is a very creative geologist with a graduate degree from Berkeley. He has what it takes to save civilization, if anyone does. However, there aren’t many people left alive, and the various accidents that happen kills off even more. By the end of the book, his great-grandchildren are good at hunting and gathering, but none of them can read or write.


If you could just get ahold of that HAMMER...

A very good book. :)

[Marty94]

Doesn’t it depend on the disaster? If there are huge tidal surges and tidal waves, being on a super yacht may not be prudent. After all, I’ve been in the North Atlantic and seen what waves can do to Navy ships built far stronger. More so, a super yacht is only as secure as the tactical team onboard to defend it. A simple air drone strike launched from well… anywhere… can end that party quickly. So, no, I wouldn’t waste my money on that idea.

One thing I do think about though is space exploration. Stephen Hawking encouraged development of another colony. If the planet does become uninhabitable, Mars may one day be an option and I would hope that those chosen would include a spectrum of talented individuals that can contribute to each other’s survival and not on their material wealth.

[JMintzer]

I think (not sure) what this person is referring to is a stat I read a while ago stating that of the people who own guns (it is not a very high percentage of the adult population) they average some crazy number per person - may not be 153 but why it is more than 1 or 2 is beyond me

(per Gallup 10/2020) 32% of adults report owning a gun and 44% of households report the same...

Since this is "self reporting", I would suspect the numbers for both are higher...

[GrumpyOldMan]

(per Gallup 10/2020) 32% of adults report owning a gun and 44% of households report the same...

Since this is "self reporting", I would suspect the numbers for both are higher...

I agree, and that 50% number I mentioned could well have been households, which would agree well with your number.

I have to admit (well, I don't have to but, I am going to) that every time I read someone posting that they have guns to defend themselves in the post-apocalypse that the image of an M1 Abrams coming up from underground and rolling up in front of dozens of people holding their automatic rifles and wearing their flak jackets...

Maybe being well-armed will help deal with unruly neighbors, but If I am a billionaire, I will see your automatic rifles and raise you an armored battalion...

Just saying.

[JMintzer]

I agree, and that 50% number I mentioned could well have been households, which would agree well with your number.

I have to admit (well, I don't have to but, I am going to) that every time I read someone posting that they have guns to defend themselves in the post-apocalypse that the image of an M1 Abrams coming up from underground and rolling up in front of dozens of people holding their automatic rifles and wearing their flak jackets...

Maybe being well-armed will help deal with unruly neighbors, but If I am a billionaire, I will see your automatic rifles and raise you an armored battalion...

Just saying.

And the Vietcong and Taliban will see your bet and re-raise you...

Neither have been defeated by multiple armored battalions......

[Joe C.]

If there is an apocalypse, money will be worthless (bitcoin too).
All you can imagine won't happen.

One thing I do believe in is:
BLESSED ARE THE MEEK, FOR THEY WILL INHERIT THE EARTH

[Swoop]

I agree, and that 50% number I mentioned could well have been households, which would agree well with your number.

I have to admit (well, I don't have to but, I am going to) that every time I read someone posting that they have guns to defend themselves in the post-apocalypse that the image of an M1 Abrams coming up from underground and rolling up in front of dozens of people holding their automatic rifles and wearing their flak jackets...

Maybe being well-armed will help deal with unruly neighbors, but If I am a billionaire, I will see your automatic rifles and raise you an armored battalion...

Just saying.

Interesting. If the world deteriorated and there was anarchy, you wouldn’t fear criminals, you would fear billionaires…

[SacDQ]

AI = Artificial intelligence

[GrumpyOldMan]

Well, I guess I don't understand the concept of criminals when there is no law - or government.

And no, I personally would not fear billionaires, that is not my point, my point is the guys with the most power (weapons?) will make the new laws. I expect I would be ignored by both sides since I have nothing they would be interested in.

[wyealbert]

When the LORD does return believe me underground bunkers will do you no good.

If you have given your life to Jesus, you have NO worries!

[44Apple]

When the LORD does return believe me underground bunkers will do you no good.

Can you give me the date for that?

[Two Bills]

If there is an apocalypse, money will be worthless (bitcoin too).
All you can imagine won't happen.

One thing I do believe in is:
BLESSED ARE THE MEEK, FOR THEY WILL INHERIT THE EARTH

Not a chance.
They will be the first to go.
Only the strong will survive!

[JMintzer]

If there is an apocalypse, money will be worthless (bitcoin too).


That is why you should invest in precious metals...

Brass, Copper and Lead... :icon_wink:

[Joe C.]

JMintzer ......You are absolutely correct. I did a bit of investing at Shooter's World today in just that.

[Mac1996]

Paranoia will destroy ya

[JMintzer]

JMintzer ......You are absolutely correct. I did a bit of investing at Shooter's World today in just that.

OOOF! I'm afraid to hear the current prices!

[Joe C.]

Two Bills ......don't confuse meek with weak. You can be strong and yet be humble.

[butlerism]

Reminiscent of the Submarine Force. We had mental stamina training to prepare for the worst.

[Byte1]

One, I don't envy them at all. And two wealth is just another word for power. No money, no power, lots of money, lots of power.

And it doesn't matter what the currency is after the apocalypse, what matters is who controls it - again power.

If I were a multi-billionaire I would not worry so much about having a comfy bed to sleep in, as I would invest in a serious power station (in my underground bunker) - maybe nuke - energy will be one of the most valuable assets.

Nope, no envy at all................:1rotfl:

[GrumpyOldMan]

Nope, no envy at all................:1rotfl:

As much as I appreciate you wanting to project your interpretations of my posts onto me, I do not envy the rich or the powerful.

en·vy
a feeling of discontented or resentful longing aroused by someone else's possessions, qualities, or luck.

I am not discontent, I am not resentful as a result of their belongings. I am very resentful with what they do with their belongings. And that resent is not envious, it is anger.