View Full Version : Will The Villages Daily Sun improve its accuracy and professionalism?
Reasons
07-06-2021, 07:08 AM
We have a newspaper that thousands read faithful daily. Yet it is not as informative or professional as it could be. Most articles leave out valuable information such as today's article about places to go raft riding. They mention 3 places. It would be nice if they told us how far they were from here. They also just copy what other people write whether it is right or wrong. An example Sports Stanley cup finials " Canadiens Upset in overtime". Anyone who glanced at that would assume the Lightning won. No Montreal won that game.
We have a good paper. I would just like it to give more facts and become more accurate. Which I believe would make it better.
dewilson58
07-06-2021, 07:15 AM
Won't find an answer here........................call them. :icon_wink:
Fast Freddy
07-06-2021, 07:27 AM
Only a 'feel good' developer slanted newspaper.
njbchbum
07-06-2021, 08:33 AM
We have a newspaper that thousands read faithful daily. Yet it is not as informative or professional as it could be.
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We have a good paper. I would just like it to give more facts and become more accurate. Which I believe would make it better.
Ask yourself...is TDS intended to be a "news"paper or is it an advertising/sales instrument of the Developer?
MrFlorida
07-06-2021, 08:34 AM
Typical media, what's the surprise ?
DAVES
07-06-2021, 08:34 AM
We have a newspaper that thousands read faithful daily. Yet it is not as informative or professional as it could be. Most articles leave out valuable information such as today's article about places to go raft riding. They mention 3 places. It would be nice if they told us how far they were from here. They also just copy what other people write whether it is right or wrong. An example Sports Stanley cup finials " Canadiens Upset in overtime". Anyone who glanced at that would assume the Lightning won. No Montreal won that game.
We have a good paper. I would just like it to give more facts and become more accurate. Which I believe would make it better.
REALITY-any news source can be so criticized and it has always been so.
gatorbill1
07-06-2021, 08:35 AM
It's cheap and you get what you pay for. A "real" newspaper would be a lot more $$.
DAVES
07-06-2021, 09:35 AM
Their news comes from biased liberal sources like the AP. As everything else in The Villages it has gone downhill.
All news sources have a bias. The staff quickly discovers what will be printed, broadcast etc and what won't. Even as a stringer, freelance reporter, you know who will buy what story. This is not new. It has always been so. OP is interested in sports. For me great liner for my bird cage.
Taltarzac725
07-06-2021, 09:38 AM
We moved here in June of 2005 and The Villages Daily Sun has improved a great deal over that time frame.
Best to communicate with them directly though.
Kahuna32162
07-06-2021, 09:42 AM
You obviously know how to go online, so way are you depended on a Developer Sales Tool for your news?
Taltarzac725
07-06-2021, 09:58 AM
Gary Corsair of The Villages Daily Sun at that time did an article on me on Memorial Day in 2007 (May 28 on a Monday) and got a lot of facts wrong like I went to the U of Denver Graduate School in Librarianship and Information Management (Class of May, 1984) after I dropped out of BYU Law School in 1982. The I went to the U of MN Law School after working in a publishing company that sold products to libraries-- Information Access Company. I was Class of 1989 at the U of MN. I think he messed some schools and their dates up.
He wrote about my advocacy to get the Florida Victim Services Directory linked to the Lake, Sumter and Marion County Library systems' web-sites.
After that he wrote a lot on sports and Big Foot. Chasing the myth of Bigfoot | News | thevillagesdailysun.com (https://www.thevillagesdailysun.com/news/local/chasing-the-myth-of-bigfoot/article_2e9e3aff-41d3-573f-894a-43c5f1666d7d.html)
Mr. Corsair is a very good writer. Think that the atmosphere back then in 2007 at The Villages Daily Sun probably threw him off his game so to speak. He had Googled me and got some blow back from the trolls on the Snopes message board. They get a weird e-mail and then seem to post it on their message board where their regular Peanut Gallery can take shots at it. And do not let the person who sent the e-mail get on that message board to defend him or herself. Mr. Corsair found that garbage. But still had the paper run the article after talking with me on the phone to check what was going on there.
Mr. Corsair wrote a very good book on The Groveland Four and something recently on the Wildwood HS Football team . Cats With 12 Lives (http://www.garycorsair.com/cats-with-12-lives.html)
Stu from NYC
07-06-2021, 10:26 AM
The developer owns it and uses it as a sales tool.
If I was a serious journalist why in the world would I want to work there?
OrangeBlossomBaby
07-06-2021, 10:33 AM
We have a newspaper that thousands read faithful daily. Yet it is not as informative or professional as it could be. Most articles leave out valuable information such as today's article about places to go raft riding. They mention 3 places. It would be nice if they told us how far they were from here. They also just copy what other people write whether it is right or wrong. An example Sports Stanley cup finials " Canadiens Upset in overtime". Anyone who glanced at that would assume the Lightning won. No Montreal won that game.
We have a good paper. I would just like it to give more facts and become more accurate. Which I believe would make it better.
The Daily Sun is a poorly-veiled excuse to advertise the Villages. It is not serious journalism. Don't expect the copy editors to give a flying patootie on quality of writing.
OrangeBlossomBaby
07-06-2021, 10:36 AM
It's cheap and you get what you pay for. A "real" newspaper would be a lot more $$.
A "real" newspaper would have more content, less advertisement. The Daily Sun isn't a newspaper. It's an advertising rag with a few syndicated op-ed pieces and a couple of quasi- or non-essential news on the cover with REALLY BIG pictures that take up space so they don't have to fill it with actual information.
Taltarzac725
07-06-2021, 10:36 AM
The developer owns it and uses it as a sales tool.
If I was a serious journalist why in the world would I want to work there?
Home (http://www.garycorsair.com/)
Gary Corsair moved on from The Villages Daily Sun to find better opportunities.
Garywt
07-06-2021, 10:50 AM
The main reason for the paper is to sell houses. As for the rafting article they peaked your interest enough to look things up on the web for additional info.
Bilyclub
07-06-2021, 10:58 AM
The developer just opened the new building with a brand new printing press in TV's industrial park, so they appear to be making money, unlike 98% of the print media.
Velvet
07-06-2021, 12:22 PM
Just wondering does The Villages Daily Sun actually call itself a newspaper? Or do we just assume it is because it seems to have the same format?
Still blatantly misleading readers about a sport game is not a good idea because people reading the paper will wonder how much misinformation there must be in the advertisement of the homes for sale too.
JoMar
07-06-2021, 12:42 PM
So what newspapers do not depend on advertising revenue? The issues seem to be that when the advertising revenue goes away the subscribers make up the difference. Newspapers are failing, the fact the the Developer's large scale builds create jobs for smaller business's who also advertise and apparently do a nice business here, and that the DS provides an online presence for those looking for homes that don't live here seems to be working. For those that want less advertising and pay more for the paper you will be disappointed unless you subscribe to a paper someplace else....until they too begin to disappear.
Bilyclub
07-06-2021, 12:52 PM
Anybody who doesn't agree 100% with what the developer does is part of a vast conspiracy to bring down The Villages, according to one long time poster who has built numerous houses in TV.
Kenswing
07-06-2021, 12:57 PM
For $84 a year it suits its purpose. I subscribe more for information about The Villages and recreational activities than for actual news. You can get news anywhere.
Stu from NYC
07-06-2021, 01:44 PM
The developer just opened the new building with a brand new printing press in TV's industrial park, so they appear to be making money, unlike 98% of the print media.
When the purpose of the paper is to help sell houses you do not necessarily need to make a profit do you?
Babubhat
07-06-2021, 01:53 PM
This is a developer sales tool. Maybe 3 articles are local in nature. The rest is USatoday or ap reprints.
Taltarzac725
07-06-2021, 03:15 PM
They did an article on my Dad a few years ago which I liked. It was about his being a caddy at one of the golf courses that had some kind of tournament at that time. And then how his college roommate later in his life had taken a drink out of an open soda can and got stung by a bee. He had an allergic reaction and died.
They have many nice articles about people who live in the Villages.
Bogie Shooter
07-06-2021, 04:04 PM
This is a developer sales tool. Maybe 3 articles are local in nature. The rest is USatoday or ap reprints.
Your BS statement piqued my interest.
In today’s DS by my observation there were 14 articles of local interest.
Do you even subscribe? Why?
eweissenbach
07-06-2021, 04:09 PM
My wife likes the crossword and I mainly look for restaurant and golf coupons. I read the Kansas City Star online every day for news. It is also good to drain bacon and French fries.
Ben Franklin
07-06-2021, 04:30 PM
I stopped delivery after the first year we were here. What I saw was an advertising paper, coupled with one sided political messaging.
billethkid
07-06-2021, 05:30 PM
I stopped delivery after the first year we were here. What I saw was an advertising paper, coupled with one sided political messaging.
How unique is that?
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
manaboutown
07-06-2021, 06:00 PM
I find TDS a light and refreshing read and enjoy it very much!
Carla B
07-06-2021, 07:17 PM
My wife likes the crossword and I mainly look for restaurant and golf coupons. I read the Kansas City Star online every day for news. It is also good to drain bacon and French fries.
Funny! Your reasons are close to what we use it for. We "unsubscribed" for several months last year when the Pandemic hit. I really missed it for placing hot pots on the countertop. My husband loves it for the crossword puzzles.
OrangeBlossomBaby
07-06-2021, 07:32 PM
For $84 a year it suits its purpose. I subscribe more for information about The Villages and recreational activities than for actual news. You can get news anywhere.
You can also get information about the Villages and recreational activities for FREE - oddly enough, on the Villages Daily News website.
If you're paying $84/year for something you can get for free, well...I'll just say that's not my first choice as to how I'd waste $84.
DAVES
07-06-2021, 07:51 PM
The developer owns it and uses it as a sales tool.
If I was a serious journalist why in the world would I want to work there?
Re: serious journalist.
The path to success and a reputation for many,"serious journalists," is to work for spit and to go into places that sane, normal people dare not go. My dad worked for CBS on a news crew. I met Walter Cronkite. He rose to fame in WWII. Aside he was one of the few at a company picnic who went out of his way to make this at that time kid feel welcome.
As far as the developer owns it. It is shocking to me how much of our,"news," is owned by Disney. In the 1960's the major news was owned by about 50 different companies. Today it is FIVE.
JMintzer
07-06-2021, 08:01 PM
I stopped delivery after the first year we were here. What I saw was an advertising paper, coupled with one sided political messaging.
As opposed to "real" newspapers, like the NYT and the WaPo...
JoMar
07-06-2021, 08:21 PM
You can also get information about the Villages and recreational activities for FREE - oddly enough, on the Villages Daily News website.
If you're paying $84/year for something you can get for free, well...I'll just say that's not my first choice as to how I'd waste $84.
Same as paying for books online when they are available at a Library right?
OrangeBlossomBaby
07-06-2021, 09:04 PM
Same as paying for books online when they are available at a Library right?
You know you can borrow e-books from the library - you don't have to GO to them at all. I've downloaded books from the public library when there were some I wanted to read.
But I have google play rewards, and I use the rewards to buy my books. So I never pay for books out of pocket anyway. Same thing with Amazon - I earn points from survey companies, and use the points to get Amazon credit. I never actually pay out of pocket for anything I get on Amazon.
bebemary
07-07-2021, 05:16 AM
Always a Villages promo rag, The Daily Sun cratered years ago to only slightly news but mostly promote and protect the developer. Simply put, it’s primary function is to sell new homes. OK, find a newspaper today that presents real objective news content; there are very few. Good journalism mostly died years ago. Sad, but true.
jimkerr
07-07-2021, 06:04 AM
I would expect this paper to promote TV. I subscribe because it has a lot of really good info about what’s going on in TV. Just look at the name of the paper!
For other news, there are a zillion other sources out there.
Girlcopper
07-07-2021, 06:10 AM
We have a newspaper that thousands read faithful daily. Yet it is not as informative or professional as it could be. Most articles leave out valuable information such as today's article about places to go raft riding. They mention 3 places. It would be nice if they told us how far they were from here. They also just copy what other people write whether it is right or wrong. An example Sports Stanley cup finials " Canadiens Upset in overtime". Anyone who glanced at that would assume the Lightning won. No Montreal won that game.
We have a good paper. I would just like it to give more facts and become more accurate. Which I believe would make it better.
Its a local Village gossip paper. If you want facts, get the Orlando or Ocala paper
mydavid
07-07-2021, 06:19 AM
We have a newspaper that thousands read faithful daily. Yet it is not as informative or professional as it could be. Most articles leave out valuable information such as today's article about places to go raft riding. They mention 3 places. It would be nice if they told us how far they were from here. They also just copy what other people write whether it is right or wrong. An example Sports Stanley cup finials " Canadiens Upset in overtime". Anyone who glanced at that would assume the Lightning won. No Montreal won that game.
We have a good paper. I would just like it to give more facts and become more accurate. Which I believe would make it better. Dropped them a year ago, not a loss.:):)
sallyg
07-07-2021, 06:25 AM
It is a Villages product. Unfortunately some folks might actually think it is a newspaper. It is not.
rlcooper70
07-07-2021, 06:27 AM
Not true about the cost .... negotiating with any paper results in a cost of $1 per month for the online version. Try it
tjhlms
07-07-2021, 06:29 AM
I am a relatively new subscriber and I see that almost all the hard news comes from Associated Press(AP) sources/writers so you get the liberal bias. They need to expand their sources.
bonrich
07-07-2021, 06:46 AM
No editorial page, letters to the editor, readers forum, to name a few features not seen.
rsgolfer
07-07-2021, 07:07 AM
It’s the developers tool for telling us that increasing residential property taxes is great for expansion and the economy, but increasing impact fees (where these costs should be) is horrible for the economy and will cost people their jobs.
It’s offensive to me as they must think we are idiots.
Kenswing
07-07-2021, 07:14 AM
You can also get information about the Villages and recreational activities for FREE - oddly enough, on the Villages Daily News website.
If you're paying $84/year for something you can get for free, well...I'll just say that's not my first choice as to how I'd waste $84.
Don't worry, that $84 isn't going to put me on the soup line. Heck, we saved $400 at Almost Perfect Furniture with the 20% coupon that was printed in TDS. That alone will cover my subscription costs for a few years. lol
OrangeBlossomBaby
07-07-2021, 07:32 AM
I would expect this paper to promote TV. I subscribe because it has a lot of really good info about what’s going on in TV. Just look at the name of the paper!
For other news, there are a zillion other sources out there.
Again, you can get the exact same information FREE on their web page. You don't have to pay for it.
OrangeBlossomBaby
07-07-2021, 07:40 AM
It’s the developers tool for telling us that increasing residential property taxes is great for expansion and the economy, but increasing impact fees (where these costs should be) is horrible for the economy and will cost people their jobs.
It’s offensive to me as they must think we are idiots.
They're not entirely wrong. There are many people who buy every word they shove at them. The Villages is not known for its critical thinkers. They don't even realize they're insulting themselves when they proudly proclaim that they live in a bubble and drank the kool-aid.
Gramjan
07-07-2021, 07:49 AM
We have a newspaper that thousands read faithful daily. Yet it is not as informative or professional as it could be. Most articles leave out valuable information such as today's article about places to go raft riding. They mention 3 places. It would be nice if they told us how far they were from here. They also just copy what other people write whether it is right or wrong. An example Sports Stanley cup finials " Canadiens Upset in overtime". Anyone who glanced at that would assume the Lightning won. No Montreal won that game.
We have a good paper. I would just like it to give more facts and become more accurate. Which I believe would make it better.
If you needed clarification for info in an article or picture, you can contact Curt Hills by phone or email (753-1119, or curt.hills@thevillagesmedia.com). Recently I had a question about a statement accompanying a small picture and I emailed Curt. He quickly responded with additional info that did, in fact, clarify things.
It was not essential info to most people, but it enlightened me !!
butlerperkins@gmail.com
07-07-2021, 08:16 AM
2021 0707 Wednesday @ 09:01
Those among you who bash the local journal should simply not subscribe. Whether Kansas' online journal, the NYT, the WP, or other "news" source, there is plenty for all. You have so many from which to choose!
I enjoy our local paper. As a part time resident, I read as much as time will allow in our local journal. Ads? Yes. Cover stories? Yes. Daily happenings? Definitely. Word scramble, sudoku and other brain quizzes? Yes. Obituaries? Sometimes.
The paper is a true blessing. They deliver it <to my driveway>. If they miss a morning delivery, they bring it later in the day.The telephone staff has always been courteous about starting and stopping my paper. Their store in Brownwood Paddock Square has other printed media and a $5 map of TV - and they're right next to the Villages Grown.
It comes down to a few things: among other things, accuracy and journalistic pedigree. No media company is without fault, right? To those who sneer at the developer's interests, lighten up. Would our community be better off without the paper? Even you staunch critics would hesitate to see our local journal vanish.
Take my positive vote for a long life for our daily paper. I am thankful that they are there, seven days a week, 365 days a year.
:-)
JMintzer
07-07-2021, 08:21 AM
More garbage from the NYT...
New York Times''' botched Kavanaugh story the latest in series of blunders from Opinion section | CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/16/media/new-york-times-kavanaugh/index.html)
Head Of 'New York Times' Editorial Page Steps Down Amid Controversy : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2020/06/08/871817721/head-of-new-york-times-editorial-page-steps-down-amid-controversy)
The New York Times Used to Be a Model of Diverse Opinion. What Happened? - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/14/how-the-new-york-times-survived-the-1960s-316530)
New York Times - Media Bias/Fact Check (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/)
Shall I continue?
JMintzer
07-07-2021, 08:25 AM
And lest anyone think I'm a fan of TDS, I only read it when it was delivered to my rental, this past Winter...
It means little to me...
ThirdOfFive
07-07-2021, 08:29 AM
You should really read before typing.
First, there is no longer an Ombudsman at the Times, and it only existed for a few years.
Interesting, it was created as a result of the Blair incident (plagiarism) to correct an incident of bad reporting. The only other paper who had an Ombudsman was the Washington Post, and that also was an attempt to insure accuracy., and both papers have found other ways to insure accuracy in reporting. They take reporting news accuretly very serious and have been shown the last years to be just that...accurate. Perfect ? Nobody is, but I read multiple sources each day, so I think I can judge truth, and it always plays out.
Those who constantly yell "fake" at the media are 99% proven wrong, so I am comfortable.
But the subject is Daily Sun. I take it for what it is,......news wise, low expectations, knowing the incredible bias, and enjoy it. I don't complain. Believe me, Daily Sun has a national reputation.
My wife and I are more-or-less satisfied Daily Sun subscribers. It may be "news lite" but for years now I've gone to foreign sources for serious news, particularly national/international news, and preferably sources without a dog in the fight at hand. Yomiuri Shimbun (Japan News) for anything in Asia; their coverage is amazingly complete when compared to virtually any American medium. For Europe, all European capitals and many other cities have English-language editions of their newspapers, many of which are better and more complete sources than their American counterparts. Even al-Jazeera appears to have higher reporting standards than a lot of American outlets.
The Daily Sun isn't much different from many American outlets in that their "news" seems to be heavily AP. Going beyond that, however, the Sun does an admirable job on regional news and the local stuff; Villages news, current events, things like that. But I knew that before I subscribed. I knew the product I would be getting and am satisfied with it.
We've come (sunk?) a long way since the time when Uncle Walter was the most trusted man in America.
eyc234
07-07-2021, 08:36 AM
2021 0707 Wednesday @ 09:01
Those among you who bash the local journal should simply not subscribe. Whether Kansas' online journal, the NYT, the WP, or other "news" source, there is plenty for all. You have so many from which to choose!
I enjoy our local paper. As a part time resident, I read as much as time will allow in our local journal. Ads? Yes. Cover stories? Yes. Daily happenings? Definitely. Word scramble, sudoku and other brain quizzes? Yes. Obituaries? Sometimes.
The paper is a true blessing. They deliver it <to my driveway>. If they miss a morning delivery, they bring it later in the day.The telephone staff has always been courteous about starting and stopping my paper. Their store in Brownwood Paddock Square has other printed media and a $5 map of TV - and they're right next to the Villages Grown.
It comes down to a few things: among other things, accuracy and journalistic pedigree. No media company is without fault, right? To those who sneer at the developer's interests, lighten up. Would our community be better off without the paper? Even you staunch critics would hesitate to see our local journal vanish.
Take my positive vote for a long life for our daily paper. I am thankful that they are there, seven days a week, 365 days a year.
:-)
:bigbow: :clap2: No better way to look at the paper for what it is!!! If you look at the errors, half truths and pure opinions in what is called news today there are no outlets that are pure news outlet.
llaran
07-07-2021, 08:42 AM
and the crossword
KRMACK55
07-07-2021, 08:49 AM
We have a newspaper that thousands read faithful daily. Yet it is not as informative or professional as it could be. Most articles leave out valuable information such as today's article about places to go raft riding. They mention 3 places. It would be nice if they told us how far they were from here. They also just copy what other people write whether it is right or wrong. An example Sports Stanley cup finials " Canadiens Upset in overtime". Anyone who glanced at that would assume the Lightning won. No Montreal won that game.
We have a good paper. I would just like it to give more facts and become more accurate. Which I believe would make it better.
I’m order to get a good paper you need to move ! It’s an advertisement for real estate only
scottiesrgreat@gmail.com
07-07-2021, 09:06 AM
We all have our own individual OPINIONS!!! I am not a psychologist - but, I never understood why some people seem to really enjoy being negative (yes, I know that is just my opinion).
I subscribe to the Daily Sun delivery. I am often too busy to read - and yes, I know most stuff is online - but, goodness - I spend almost all the hours I am awake working 100% online - so, I enjoy the break. I find the Daily Sun publication helpful - I could care less if you have opposing opinions and I could care less if your opinion differs from mine. :-) :-)
Now - I am off to sit down and relax with my Daily Sun - before I get back to work :-) Have a good day!
Rick Kiwus
07-07-2021, 09:27 AM
Only a 'feel good' developer slanted newspaper.
You are exactly right; they also keep reprinting articles over and over! Only good news too nothing negative.
meme5x
07-07-2021, 09:43 AM
As I have said before, be grateful for the Daily Sun..on M, T and Th we get approximately 8-10 pages of newspaper for $2.50 and $4.00 for Sunday.. but.. love getting a morning paper…so don’t have a choice
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