Thoughts on use of pot.

[graciegirl]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?

[Kenswing]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?

I'm a live and let live kind of guy. Don't much care what one does in the privacy of their own home. As long as they don't get high and drive or become an otherwise public nuisance, I'm fine with it.

[manaboutown]

Since I have seen the effects is has on users over the years I do not support its legalization.

Follow the money.

Who and what entities lobbied through its legalization?

Who/what entities stand to benefit?

States will tax it so stand to gain although they (taxpayers) will bear some of the costs of pot use.

[retiredguy123]

It should be legalized, not just decriminalized. The Florida law is a joke, designed to make money for the state, and for the doctors who pretend to be regulating the sale of Marijuana to only those who have a medical condition. In Florida, anyone who wants a license to buy Marijuana can get one, if they are willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money every year to the doctors and to the state. The screening process is totally ineffective.

[ThirdOfFive]

I'm a live and let live kind of guy. Don't much care what one does in the privacy of their own home. As long as they don't get high and drive or become an otherwise public nuisance, I'm fine with it.
I tend to agree.

Remember who declared the War on Drugs? For those of you who don't, it was Richard Nixon, and we've been losing it ever since. This ludicrous war on drugs has cost more in deaths, broken homes and shattered lives than drugs ever could.

Time to adopt a rational policy, both for those who want to seek help with drugs and AGAINST the criminal element pushing them which has turned sections of our country into something resembling a war zone.

[Dana1963]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?
I’ve seen support groups for Pain killer abuse supplied by Pharmaceutical companies
Support groups for Alcohol abuse.
If have not seen a support group for Marijuana abuse.

[Dana1963]

I tend to agree.

Remember who declared the War on Drugs? For those of you who don't, it was Richard Nixon, and we've been losing it ever since. This ludicrous war on drugs has cost more in deaths, broken homes and shattered lives than drugs ever could.

Time to adopt a rational policy, both for those who want to seek help with drugs and AGAINST the criminal element pushing them which has turned sections of our country into something resembling a war zone.
Tricky Dick started with Operation Intercept shutting down the Mexican Border Sept 11 thru October 1969. Formally the War on Drugs started June 18, 1971 50 years we lost another War.

[manaboutown]

I’ve seen support groups for Pain killer abuse supplied by Pharmaceutical companies
Support groups for Alcohol abuse.
If have not seen a support group for Marijuana abuse.

Narcotics Anonymous - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcotics_Anonymous)

Also Alcoholics Anonymous these days according to what I hear from some of its members comprises few "pure" alcoholics anymore, especially among its younger members who are also addicted to marijuana and other mind altering substances.

[GrumpyOldMan]

The War on Drugs acts as a price support guarantee for the Drug cartels, Americans WANT drugs, and they will pay whatever it costs to get them.

Poor kids from the inner-city have to make a choice - stand on a corner and sell drugs and get rich, buy guns, cars, and sex, or flip burgers for less than minimum wage. Since they need to protect themselves and their stash, they need to have guns. Because the other kids have guns, expensive handguns become an affordable cost of doing business, leading to the arms race with the police departments and the formation of gangs to help control turf for drug markets.

The drug war is possibly the worst policy this country has ever conceived of; whether or not you think drugs should be legal, there has to be a better way to deal with the drug "problems."

And let's not conflate the war on drugs and the separate issue of making marijuana illegal. Making MJ illegal started long before Nixon when the government first commissioned a study to determine if MJ was harmful or dangerous, and the report came back that it wasn't. That was not an acceptable outcome, so they announced that "more studies are needed." And the "More studies are needed" has been constantly repeated ever since - almost 100 years now (1937).

There is no doubt that inhaling smoke from a burning plant is hazardous. There is also evidence that marijuana can have adverse side effects. But, it's a matter of degree. And there are safer ways to take MJ - such as tinctures and edibles.

The old "reefer madness" (government slogan predating "brain on drugs") is simply a flat-out lie.

I believe there is still no evidence of ANYONE ever dying from an overdose of MJ, but many die from overdoses of Alcohol.

There is little or no evidence of automobile accidents resulting from or caused by MJ use. (30,000 die in Auto accidents annually, and the majority have Alcohol associated with them)

I don't believe there has ever been a bar fight with MJ as a cause, yet violence is a common side effect of Alcohol.

MJ is known to cause brain damage but about 10% of the brain damage caused by Alcohol.

Alcohol is addictive; MJ is not addictive.

It goes on and on.

If you can't tell, I am in favor of legalization.

There is NO serious evidence of MJ being a problem or a gateway. On the contrary, there is significant evidence that it is useful in treating numerous diseases and health conditions.

To all the people who comment that they have seen how much damage it can do to people's lives, I suggested some people will destroy their lives with some drug - MJ is not a gateway; it is simply inexpensive and readily available. Once a person has contacts with the black market criminals they buy from, it is a small step to get hard drugs from the same market. Pushers will often offer "free samples". But, again, it is not the MJ that causes the problem; it is forcing people to use illegal channels to get drugs.

I would remind everyone what happened when Alcohol was prohibited - mobs (like the Kennedys) got rich, and many people died. Just like what has been happening ever since we decided to make drugs illegal.

[GrumpyOldMan]

I’ve seen support groups for Pain killer abuse supplied by Pharmaceutical companies
Support groups for Alcohol abuse.
If have not seen a support group for Marijuana abuse.

I have, they are called pot luck diners - using MJ leads to munchies and that leads to creative ways to snack - LOL!

But, more seriously, there is NO evidence MJ is addictive, so, no need for support groups.

[manaboutown]

I have, they are called pot luck diners - using MJ leads to munchies and that leads to creative ways to snack - LOL!

But, more seriously, there is NO evidence MJ is addictive, so, no need for support groups.

"Marijuana use can lead to the development of problem use, known as a marijuana use disorder, which takes the form of addiction in severe cases. Recent data suggest that 30% of those who use marijuana may have some degree of marijuana use disorder. People who begin using marijuana before the age of 18 are four to seven times more likely to develop a marijuana use disorder than adults."

From: Is marijuana addictive? | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) (https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-addictive)

[Garywt]

It is legal in MA but I didn’t vote for it. The main issue for me is people driving. I have never used it and don’t plan on it. I am trying some Hemp gummies for a few health issues but that is all.

[justjim]

At last count there were 18 States that legalized weed. So far the Federal Government has not. Big disconnect! Prohibition didn’t work and neither has the war on drugs. I would vote to legalize marijuana.

[Aces4]

At last count there were 18 States that legalized weed. So far the Federal Government has not. Big disconnect! Prohibition didn’t work and neither has the war on drugs. I would vote to legalize marijuana.

Yeah, we just don’t have enough traffic accidents and mortalities. Thinking with a sharp, clean brain is overrated. Let’s muddle everything.

[brfree1411@aol.com]

For those of us who used MJ as a way to relax on weekends in the 60's & 70's, we know that MJ makes you calm, peaceful & hungry. It never makes you violent. Driving is an experience, you S-L-O-W down, stop at green lights, stop for a long while at stop signs. No danger of speeding or having an accident.
Unless you have smoked it, you will believe anything the studies show. I stopped smoking since 1981 and have had no withdrawals ever. Basically, it is a way to really relax & if you do it inside your home & stay put it should be nobody's business. Yes, it will be taxed, as is liquor, so what. The freedom to use it should be legal.
I have seen people addicted to gambling, sex, alcohol & anything else. MJ is not addictive. A person with an addictive personality will get addicted to TV, video games, cell phones, anything.
A good percentage of adults are on "anxiety" medication. MJ would cure that for sure.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Narcotics Anonymous - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcotics_Anonymous)

Also Alcoholics Anonymous these days according to what I hear from some of its members comprises few "pure" alcoholics anymore, especially among its younger members who are also addicted to marijuana and other mind altering substances.

Sorry, there is NO evidence that marijuana is addictive. Any substance can be emotionally addictive, but physical addition is not a problem with Marijuana.

[TSO/ISPF]

The War on Drugs acts as a price support guarantee for the Drug cartels, Americans WANT drugs, and they will pay whatever it costs to get them.

Poor kids from the inner-city have to make a choice - stand on a corner and sell drugs and get rich, buy guns, cars, and sex, or flip burgers for less than minimum wage. Since they need to protect themselves and their stash, they need to have guns. Because the other kids have guns, expensive handguns become an affordable cost of doing business, leading to the arms race with the police departments and the formation of gangs to help control turf for drug markets.

The drug war is possibly the worst policy this country has ever conceived of; whether or not you think drugs should be legal, there has to be a better way to deal with the drug "problems."

And let's not conflate the war on drugs and the separate issue of making marijuana illegal. Making MJ illegal started long before Nixon when the government first commissioned a study to determine if MJ was harmful or dangerous, and the report came back that it wasn't. That was not an acceptable outcome, so they announced that "more studies are needed." And the "More studies are needed" has been constantly repeated ever since - almost 100 years now (1937).

There is no doubt that inhaling smoke from a burning plant is hazardous. There is also evidence that marijuana can have adverse side effects. But, it's a matter of degree. And there are safer ways to take MJ - such as tinctures and edibles.

The old "reefer madness" (government slogan predating "brain on drugs") is simply a flat-out lie.

I believe there is still no evidence of ANYONE ever dying from an overdose of MJ, but many die from overdoses of Alcohol.

There is little or no evidence of automobile accidents resulting from or caused by MJ use. (30,000 die in Auto accidents annually, and the majority have Alcohol associated with them)

I don't believe there has ever been a bar fight with MJ as a cause, yet violence is a common side effect of Alcohol.

MJ is known to cause brain damage but about 10% of the brain damage caused by Alcohol.

Alcohol is addictive; MJ is not addictive.

It goes on and on.

If you can't tell, I am in favor of legalization.

There is NO serious evidence of MJ being a problem or a gateway. On the contrary, there is significant evidence that it is useful in treating numerous diseases and health conditions.

To all the people who comment that they have seen how much damage it can do to people's lives, I suggested some people will destroy their lives with some drug - MJ is not a gateway; it is simply inexpensive and readily available. Once a person has contacts with the black market criminals they buy from, it is a small step to get hard drugs from the same market. Pushers will often offer "free samples". But, again, it is not the MJ that causes the problem; it is forcing people to use illegal channels to get drugs.

I would remind everyone what happened when Alcohol was prohibited - mobs (like the Kennedys) got rich, and many people died. Just like what has been happening ever since we decided to make drugs illegal.

I couldn't agree more! Keeping it unlawful contributes to the criminal Cartels and the violence associated with them.

[GrumpyOldMan]

"Marijuana use can lead to the development of problem use, known as a marijuana use disorder, which takes the form of addiction in severe cases. Recent data suggest that 30% of those who use marijuana may have some degree of marijuana use disorder. People who begin using marijuana before the age of 18 are four to seven times more likely to develop a marijuana use disorder than adults."

From: Is marijuana addictive? | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) (https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-addictive)

Yes, it is a USE disorder, not physical addiction. Some also refer to it as emotional addiction. It is NOT the marijuana that the person is addicted to it is the use of something - eating disorders in general fall into this category. Chocolate cake is not addictive but can be part of an emotional addiction which would be called an eating disorder.

There is reason to believe that for whatever reason some people develop use disorders and others don't. The mechanism is not understood. However, physical addiction is fairly clearly understood - and has been studied with MJ, and there no evidence it is physically addicting.

So, if you have a tendency to overeat, to "self-medicate" and other negative consumption behaviors you should avoid any of a wide range of substances, including alcohol, coffee, marijuana, etc. etc., etc.

[GrumpyOldMan]

I couldn't agree more! Keeping it unlawful contributes to the criminal Cartels and the violence associated with them.

Yes, and for fear of sounding like a conspiracy nut, for some of the S. American cartels we are talking about a $50B/year business of selling illegal drugs in the US.

If I was head of a company doing $50B/year in sales to a country, I would certainly be motivated to donate millions (billions?) to the campaigns of politicians that have a history of voting to protect my source of income. I might even spend a few million spreading false reports of the negative impact of using my product - just to be sure people want it to remain illegal.

Just saying that is just me, and what I think I would do if I ran a $50B/year business selling illegal items.

[Ben Franklin]

Yes, legalize it. That it is illegal is immoral. Both marijuana and booze were legal in the US, until prohibition. The gov't then allowed the booze drug, yes, booze is a mind altering drug, to be legal again, but not marijuana, thanks only to Harry Anslinger. The man behind the marijuana ban for all the wrong reasons - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harry-anslinger-the-man-behind-the-marijuana-ban/)

The US has been subsidizing marijuana research in Israel for over 50 years now, via our NIH. Thanks to our tax dollars, Israel has the finest medical marijuana system in the world, and it's been decriminalized. They have all the research our money could buy.

[Stu from NYC]

We lost the war on drugs many years ago. Should be making pot legal in all 50 states

[GrumpyOldMan]

We lost the war on drugs many years ago. Should be making pot legal in all 50 states

Yup, and redirect all the money (BILLIONS) we spend every year locking people up for smoking MJ, into drug treatment facilities for people that get into things over their heads and they can then get back into the workforce and start paying taxes again.

[Ben Franklin]

The War on Drugs acts as a price support guarantee for the Drug cartels, Americans WANT drugs, and they will pay whatever it costs to get them.

Poor kids from the inner-city have to make a choice - stand on a corner and sell drugs and get rich, buy guns, cars, and sex, or flip burgers for less than minimum wage. Since they need to protect themselves and their stash, they need to have guns. Because the other kids have guns, expensive handguns become an affordable cost of doing business, leading to the arms race with the police departments and the formation of gangs to help control turf for drug markets.

The drug war is possibly the worst policy this country has ever conceived of; whether or not you think drugs should be legal, there has to be a better way to deal with the drug "problems."

And let's not conflate the war on drugs and the separate issue of making marijuana illegal. Making MJ illegal started long before Nixon when the government first commissioned a study to determine if MJ was harmful or dangerous, and the report came back that it wasn't. That was not an acceptable outcome, so they announced that "more studies are needed." And the "More studies are needed" has been constantly repeated ever since - almost 100 years now (1937).

There is no doubt that inhaling smoke from a burning plant is hazardous. There is also evidence that marijuana can have adverse side effects. But, it's a matter of degree. And there are safer ways to take MJ - such as tinctures and edibles.

The old "reefer madness" (government slogan predating "brain on drugs") is simply a flat-out lie.

I believe there is still no evidence of ANYONE ever dying from an overdose of MJ, but many die from overdoses of Alcohol.

There is little or no evidence of automobile accidents resulting from or caused by MJ use. (30,000 die in Auto accidents annually, and the majority have Alcohol associated with them)

I don't believe there has ever been a bar fight with MJ as a cause, yet violence is a common side effect of Alcohol.

MJ is known to cause brain damage but about 10% of the brain damage caused by Alcohol.

Alcohol is addictive; MJ is not addictive.

It goes on and on.

If you can't tell, I am in favor of legalization.

There is NO serious evidence of MJ being a problem or a gateway. On the contrary, there is significant evidence that it is useful in treating numerous diseases and health conditions.

To all the people who comment that they have seen how much damage it can do to people's lives, I suggested some people will destroy their lives with some drug - MJ is not a gateway; it is simply inexpensive and readily available. Once a person has contacts with the black market criminals they buy from, it is a small step to get hard drugs from the same market. Pushers will often offer "free samples". But, again, it is not the MJ that causes the problem; it is forcing people to use illegal channels to get drugs.

I would remind everyone what happened when Alcohol was prohibited - mobs (like the Kennedys) got rich, and many people died. Just like what has been happening ever since we decided to make drugs illegal.

Government couldn’t control the country’s urge to drink during prohibition, and criminals stepped in to supply the demand people couldn’t fill legally. Al Capone comes to mind. So, yes, the same thing is happening with marijuana.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Government couldn’t control the country’s urge to drink during prohibition, and criminals stepped in to supply the demand people couldn’t fill legally. Al Capone comes to mind. So, yes, the same thing is happening with marijuana.

Yup, people will get what they want, one way or the other. It is a fools errand to try and stop them.

[Two Bills]

In Holland annually, the cannabis coffee shops generate an estimated 400 million euros in tax – money that would otherwise have accrued to criminal profiteers.
Thats from a population of just over 17 million.
With a population nearly 20 times as great, that's a lot of dosh to put against the national debt in USA. if it was legalised.

[GrumpyOldMan]

In Holland annually, the cannabis coffee shops generate an estimated 400 million euros in tax – money that would otherwise have accrued to criminal profiteers.
Thats from a population of just over 17 million.
With a population nearly 20 times as great, that's a lot of dosh to put against the national debt in USA. if it was legalised.

Yes, and that is just income. There is also enormous savings from the reduction in crime by putting the black market out of business.

Sadly, in many cases here in the US the government just can't help itself but screw up legalizing it, resulting in a black market still existing and feeding crime.

[Aces4]

Sorry, there is NO evidence that marijuana is addictive. Any substance can be emotionally addictive, but physical addition is not a problem with Marijuana.

Isn’t it strange, though, that the potheads we know crave their joints?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Isn’t it strange, though, that the potheads we know crave their joints?

Craving is not the same as addiction. I often crave chocolate, or cashews, or pizza. But, I would not rob a convenience store to get enough money to buy some.

Also, there is the use disorder or emotional addiction to substances, so, in their case, it could be a "crutch" as opposed to actual physical addiction.

I am NOT downplaying emotional addiction or use disorders, they are serious. But they are not physically dependent on the substance, they are a psychological or mental disorder.

[Aces4]

For those of us who used MJ as a way to relax on weekends in the 60's & 70's, we know that MJ makes you calm, peaceful & hungry. It never makes you violent. Driving is an experience, you S-L-O-W down, stop at green lights, stop for a long while at stop signs. No danger of speeding or having an accident.
Unless you have smoked it, you will believe anything the studies show. I stopped smoking since 1981 and have had no withdrawals ever. Basically, it is a way to really relax & if you do it inside your home & stay put it should be nobody's business. Yes, it will be taxed, as is liquor, so what. The freedom to use it should be legal.
I have seen people addicted to gambling, sex, alcohol & anything else. MJ is not addictive. A person with an addictive personality will get addicted to TV, video games, cell phones, anything.
A good percentage of adults are on "anxiety" medication. MJ would cure that for sure.

In all honesty, why would you quit if it was your perfect panacea? I love talking and having a conversation with someone smoking dope. (I lied, but then I don’t enjoy conversation with drinkers when they are fried.)

[Aces4]

Craving is not the same as addiction. I often crave chocolate, or cashews, or pizza. But, I would not rob a convenience store to get enough money to buy some.

Also, there is the use disorder or emotional addiction to substances, so, in their case, it could be a "crutch" as opposed to actual physical addiction.

I am NOT downplaying emotional addiction or use disorders, they are serious. But they are not physically dependent on the substance, they are a psychological or mental disorder.

Why are so many people able to cope with reality? That’s the question that haunts me and believe me, I’ve done a lot of coping in my life but mind altering drugs have never been on my radar.

[GrumpyOldMan]

In all honesty, why would you quit if it was your perfect panacea? I love talking and having a conversation with someone smoking dope. (I lied, but then I don’t enjoy conversation with drinkers when they are fried.)

I can't speak for the OP, but I tried it in the late 60's and all my friends did. But, I stopped when I joined the Marines and never started again because it being illegal made it not worth the risk. I have recently become licensed and use it now, but we also considered moving to a state where it legal. But TV won that debate, so I got a license, and pay the state a few hundred a year to be permitted to use it.

[Aces4]

I can't speak for the OP, but I tried it in the late 60's and all my friends did. But, I stopped when I joined the Marines and never started again because it being illegal made it not worth the risk. I have recently become licensed and use it now, but we also considered moving to a state where it legal. But TV won that debate, so I got a license, and pay the state a few hundred a year to be permitted to use it.

Grumpy, with the health issue you recently mentioned, I would personally be wary. They have noted pot does shrink the brain, not as much as alcohol, but it does affect it. Wishing you nothing but good health!:)

[Elaine Dickinson]

Driving is an experience, you S-L-O-W down, stop at green lights, stop for a long while at stop signs. No danger of speeding or having an accident.

I could be wrong but THAT just might cause an accident.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Since I have seen the effects is has on users over the years I do not support its legalization.

Follow the money.

Who and what entities lobbied through its legalization?

Who/what entities stand to benefit?

States will tax it so stand to gain although they (taxpayers) will bear some of the costs of pot use.

That's exactly what was said about the repeal of the abolition of alcohol in this country. At least cannabis has some medicinal value. Southern Comfort - does not.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I’ve seen support groups for Pain killer abuse supplied by Pharmaceutical companies
Support groups for Alcohol abuse.
If have not seen a support group for Marijuana abuse.

No one has ever died because of cannabis abuse. Also, if it's illegal, ANY use of it would be considered "abuse." It can't NOT be abuse, if you're not allowed to have any at all in the first place.

But no one has ever died from an overdose of cannabis. That's probably why there aren't any support groups. It just isn't deadly, and stopping its use doesn't have the physiological withdrawal symptoms that other drugs (including alcohol) have if you're addicted to them.

Cannabis can be habit-forming, but it's not physiologically addictive.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Yup, and redirect all the money (BILLIONS) we spend every year locking people up for smoking MJ, into drug treatment facilities for people that get into things over their heads and they can then get back into the workforce and start paying taxes again.

Right now they're costing the taxpayer billions. They get free food, water, shelter, clothing, a stipend, plus work credits, college degree if they want it, legal assistance, and housing assistance when they get out. And of course since they're now an ex-con, they're not eligible for most jobs, or business loans, and the jobs they CAN get are mostly minimum wage. So they end up stuck in the circular cycle of crime, and we the people whine about how all these criminals are living on the taxpayer dollar.

Here's an idea: you can make these folks NOT be criminals, by making use and possession of cannabis legal. At the very least, it should be legal for medical use, and controlled for recreational use (like, you can ingest whatever, but can't smoke it anywhere in public, and fines/penalties/jail time for driving while under the influence, just as it is now with any other drug).

[Aces4]

Right now they're costing the taxpayer billions. They get free food, water, shelter, clothing, a stipend, plus work credits, college degree if they want it, legal assistance, and housing assistance when they get out. And of course since they're now an ex-con, they're not eligible for most jobs, or business loans, and the jobs they CAN get are mostly minimum wage. So they end up stuck in the circular cycle of crime, and we the people whine about how all these criminals are living on the taxpayer dollar.

Here's an idea: you can make these folks NOT be criminals, by making use and possession of cannabis legal. At the very least, it should be legal for medical use, and controlled for recreational use (like, you can ingest whatever, but can't smoke it anywhere in public, and fines/penalties/jail time for driving while under the influence, just as it is now with any other drug).

Talk about convoluted logic, now they can’t hold a job because they’re stoned and they have to rob, steal and burglarize to support their out of touch with reality life.

[JMintzer]

Right now they're costing the taxpayer billions. They get free food, water, shelter, clothing, a stipend, plus work credits, college degree if they want it, legal assistance, and housing assistance when they get out. And of course since they're now an ex-con, they're not eligible for most jobs, or business loans, and the jobs they CAN get are mostly minimum wage. So they end up stuck in the circular cycle of crime, and we the people whine about how all these criminals are living on the taxpayer dollar.

Here's an idea: you can make these folks NOT be criminals, by making use and possession of cannabis legal. At the very least, it should be legal for medical use, and controlled for recreational use (like, you can ingest whatever, but can't smoke it anywhere in public, and fines/penalties/jail time for driving while under the influence, just as it is now with any other drug).

Where are all of these people being arrested and jailed for simple possession?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Right now they're costing the taxpayer billions. They get free food, water, shelter, clothing, a stipend, plus work credits, college degree if they want it, legal assistance, and housing assistance when they get out. And of course since they're now an ex-con, they're not eligible for most jobs, or business loans, and the jobs they CAN get are mostly minimum wage. So they end up stuck in the circular cycle of crime, and we the people whine about how all these criminals are living on the taxpayer dollar.

Here's an idea: you can make these folks NOT be criminals, by making use and possession of cannabis legal. At the very least, it should be legal for medical use, and controlled for recreational use (like, you can ingest whatever, but can't smoke it anywhere in public, and fines/penalties/jail time for driving while under the influence, just as it is now with any other drug).

I see no reason to define a new law for an intoxicating substance. We already have one, and it does NOT ban it's use in public, but does restrict it - like Alcohol.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Where are all of these people being arrested and jailed for simple possession?

Here is a pew report on it. I think the incarceration for possession is on the decline since so many states are making it legal. At this point, simple possession of small amounts is treated more like driving without seat belts or talking on your phone while driving. it is not enough to get you pulled over, but if you are pulled over and annoy the cop, they can add those on.

I don't recall where I saw it, but I think around 99% of drug related charges today are for trafficking.

Same with small possession, if you have some it is illegal and can be stacked onto other charges.

Pew Report (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/01/22/four-in-ten-u-s-drug-arrests-in-2018-were-for-marijuana-offenses-mostly-possession/)

[JMintzer]

Here is a pew report on it. I think the incarceration for possession is on the decline since so many states are making it legal. At this point, simple possession of small amounts is treated more like driving without seat belts or talking on your phone while driving. it is not enough to get you pulled over, but if you are pulled over and annoy the cop, they can add those on.

I don't recall where I saw it, but I think around 99% of drug related charges today are for trafficking.

Same with small possession, if you have some it is illegal and can be stacked onto other charges.

Pew Report (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/01/22/four-in-ten-u-s-drug-arrests-in-2018-were-for-marijuana-offenses-mostly-possession/)

They are ignoring the fact that most "possession" convictions are plead down to that, by lazy DAs, looking for a quick and easy conviction (to keep up their numbers)...

They drop their "intent to distribute" or the gun charges to get a quick guilty plea...

[Art cov]

A friend just came back from New Orleans. Where he stayed (French quarter) it’s legal there. He said the place stunk with pot smoking and every corner had people selling it. It’s a amazing cigarette smoking is so bad for people’s health, but pot smoking does so good. Nothing bad, it stinks and destroys in the long run. Most kids who smoke weed, start with it but then try other drugs. I remember how at bus stops some of the kids smelled the bus when they got on after smoking a joint. I guess if it was in the brownies and not smoked we would’ve only knew because of their yeah man speech. But they were 13 yr olds. If you sit out on the lanai and the smoke drifts to you, what do you think? Remember pot smokers enjoy company who indulge with them. Hey, the dancing will change at the squares, it could be entertaining!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I see no reason to define a new law for an intoxicating substance. We already have one, and it does NOT ban it's use in public, but does restrict it - like Alcohol.

I just don't feel it should be smoked in public. Not even in places where smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol is allowed (like outdoor bars, cigar + cognac lounges, etc). Unlike nicotine, cannibis smoke, second-hand, CAN create a mind-altering effect.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Where are all of these people being arrested and jailed for simple possession?

As of last year, there were around 4000 people already in jail and serving time for "possession" of marijuana as the primary charge. Fewer than 10% of cannibis-related incarcerations were for trafficking. Possession alone can incur up to 7 years in federal prison. It doesn't usually, but it can. It's on the books.

It doesn't even matter if it's 7 years, or 7 days. Once you're in for possession, you are a convicted criminal and your chances of getting a decent job are down the tubes.

[Kelevision]

Alcohol and nicotine are 2 of the 5 most addictive drugs. Marijuana isn’t addictive. So…… I’m all for legalizing it. The states that already have are reaping the benefits in $$$$.

[BlueStarAirlines]

I just don't feel it should be smoked in public. Not even in places where smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol is allowed (like outdoor bars, cigar + cognac lounges, etc). Unlike nicotine, cannibis smoke, second-hand, CAN create a mind-altering effect.

Since it is still illegal at the Federal level, there are many jobs, clearances, and benefits that are mandated to be no where near it. Its one of the few "vices" that a nearby non-user can register a false-positive even with non-use.

[Swoop]

The War on Drugs acts as a price support guarantee for the Drug cartels, Americans WANT drugs, and they will pay whatever it costs to get them.

Poor kids from the inner-city have to make a choice - stand on a corner and sell drugs and get rich, buy guns, cars, and sex, or flip burgers for less than minimum wage. Since they need to protect themselves and their stash, they need to have guns. Because the other kids have guns, expensive handguns become an affordable cost of doing business, leading to the arms race with the police departments and the formation of gangs to help control turf for drug markets.

The drug war is possibly the worst policy this country has ever conceived of; whether or not you think drugs should be legal, there has to be a better way to deal with the drug "problems."

And let's not conflate the war on drugs and the separate issue of making marijuana illegal. Making MJ illegal started long before Nixon when the government first commissioned a study to determine if MJ was harmful or dangerous, and the report came back that it wasn't. That was not an acceptable outcome, so they announced that "more studies are needed." And the "More studies are needed" has been constantly repeated ever since - almost 100 years now (1937).

There is no doubt that inhaling smoke from a burning plant is hazardous. There is also evidence that marijuana can have adverse side effects. But, it's a matter of degree. And there are safer ways to take MJ - such as tinctures and edibles.

The old "reefer madness" (government slogan predating "brain on drugs") is simply a flat-out lie.

I believe there is still no evidence of ANYONE ever dying from an overdose of MJ, but many die from overdoses of Alcohol.

There is little or no evidence of automobile accidents resulting from or caused by MJ use. (30,000 die in Auto accidents annually, and the majority have Alcohol associated with them)

I don't believe there has ever been a bar fight with MJ as a cause, yet violence is a common side effect of Alcohol.

MJ is known to cause brain damage but about 10% of the brain damage caused by Alcohol.

Alcohol is addictive; MJ is not addictive.

It goes on and on.

If you can't tell, I am in favor of legalization.

There is NO serious evidence of MJ being a problem or a gateway. On the contrary, there is significant evidence that it is useful in treating numerous diseases and health conditions.

To all the people who comment that they have seen how much damage it can do to people's lives, I suggested some people will destroy their lives with some drug - MJ is not a gateway; it is simply inexpensive and readily available. Once a person has contacts with the black market criminals they buy from, it is a small step to get hard drugs from the same market. Pushers will often offer "free samples". But, again, it is not the MJ that causes the problem; it is forcing people to use illegal channels to get drugs.

I would remind everyone what happened when Alcohol was prohibited - mobs (like the Kennedys) got rich, and many people died. Just like what has been happening ever since we decided to make drugs illegal.

If you state something as a fact, it should actually be a fact. Actually alcohol accounts for less than 30% of auto deaths - not the majority of them.

[jmaccallum]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?

People can become addicted to anything, including Fantasy Football. Seen it happen to friends. Yes, I quit. Lol!

I think many of us smoked pot back in college. I know I did, and I graduated with a 3.6 average. So too did my frat friends who drank alcohol like crazy. So who knows.

I think none of us want to admit to smoking pot - you know, like Bill, we just inhaled. And none of my fraternity friends want to admit to the crazy alcohol parties they participated in every weekend.

I haven’t smoked pot since 1984, over 37 years ago. But I do now see where it is helping some of our Vets with PTSD, and people with cancer, Multiple Sclerosis, and other debilitating issues. I say, anything that helps them.

As far as recreational use, well if you use alcohol and say no, I think that’s hypocritical. Legalize it and tax it. That brings in revenue. Legalize it and eliminate the criminal element involved. That cuts expenses and keeps our police safer. I think that’s a win-win all around.

[thelegges]

Since it is still illegal at the Federal level, there are many jobs, clearances, and benefits that are mandated to be no where near it. Its one of the few "vices" that a nearby non-user can register a false-positive even with non-use.

When applying for the FBI, you could not have smoked weed for the last 3 years. And never before the age of 18.

Today, applying for the FBI, no weed ONE year before submitting application. The no weed, before age 18 still applies.

[walterray1]

In Holland annually, the cannabis coffee shops generate an estimated 400 million euros in tax – money that would otherwise have accrued to criminal profiteers.
Thats from a population of just over 17 million.
With a population nearly 20 times as great, that's a lot of dosh to put against the national debt in USA. if it was legalised.

Probably why they have free health care. Ok, just making a point no fact checkers please.

[walterray1]

Craving is not the same as addiction. I often crave chocolate, or cashews, or pizza. But, I would not rob a convenience store to get enough money to buy some.

Also, there is the use disorder or emotional addiction to substances, so, in their case, it could be a "crutch" as opposed to actual physical addiction.

I am NOT downplaying emotional addiction or use disorders, they are serious. But they are not physically dependent on the substance, they are a psychological or mental disorder.

You continue to provide excellent points and facts. Very much in agreement.

[walterray1]

Talk about convoluted logic, now they can’t hold a job because they’re stoned and they have to rob, steal and burglarize to support their out of touch with reality life.

Excellent example of convoluted logic yourself. Quite the jump you are making.

[walterray1]

A friend just came back from New Orleans. Where he stayed (French quarter) it’s legal there. He said the place stunk with pot smoking and every corner had people selling it. It’s a amazing cigarette smoking is so bad for people’s health, but pot smoking does so good. Nothing bad, it stinks and destroys in the long run. Most kids who smoke weed, start with it but then try other drugs. I remember how at bus stops some of the kids smelled the bus when they got on after smoking a joint. I guess if it was in the brownies and not smoked we would’ve only knew because of their yeah man speech. But they were 13 yr olds. If you sit out on the lanai and the smoke drifts to you, what do you think? Remember pot smokers enjoy company who indulge with them. Hey, the dancing will change at the squares, it could be entertaining!

I think, just wow man! covers the response to this.

[Boomer]

I'm a live and let live kind of guy. Don't much care what one does in the privacy of their own home. As long as they don't get high and drive or become an otherwise public nuisance, I'm fine with it.

What Kenswing said is pretty much how I feel about it.

John Boehner who opposed legalization, while in office, now sits on the board of a major cannabis company Acreage Holdings.

Although I did not often agree with Boehner during most of his career in DC, I know his neck of the woods because it is my neck of the woods, and I know people who know him, and he seems to be a relatively normal, sane person.

He has a new book On the House -- perfect title for his behind-the-scenes memoir. I saw him interviewed about his book. He seemed sooooooo relaxed -- and now rich.

Boomer (who never inhaled)

[ithos]

Sorry, there is NO evidence that marijuana is addictive. Any substance can be emotionally addictive, but physical addition is not a problem with Marijuana.

You could not be more wrong. There is a government website that serves as an online resource for medical research. PubMed (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/)

There are hundreds of articles on the subject but here are a couple:

Cannabis Addiction and the Brain: a Review (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6223748/)

Keep off the grass? Cannabis, cognition and addiction | Nature Reviews Neuroscience (https://www.nature.com/articles/nrn.2016.28)

People who try cannabis are ninefold more likely to become addicted to it than to develop psychosis. Cannabis addiction is an increasing problem globally, and no effective pharmacological treatments currently exist — this remains a major unmet clinical need.

An occasional joint will probably not cause addiction or permanent damage. The big problem is that the potency is much higher now and many lives will be destroyed by it because they believed the lie that it was a harmless drug.

[jimbomaybe]

I couldn't agree more! Keeping it unlawful contributes to the criminal Cartels and the violence associated with them. I come from a state where its legal and have contacts with LEOs and pot users, the street dealers think legalization was a great thing. They can and do undercut pot dispensaries by a wide margin, of course they pay not tax, if caught its just a license violation for sale and it has given them a larger customer base

[GrumpyOldMan]

If you state something as a fact, it should actually be a fact. Actually alcohol accounts for less than 30% of auto deaths - not the majority of them.

Thank you for the correction. You are correct, almost, according to NIH the number is 25%, however I have seen other sites with other numbers up to 30%.

The number of traffic fatalities with MJ as a contributing factor is harder to determine. Sort of like COVID deaths with comorbidity. The problem is 20 and Younger make up a majority of traffic accidents, and 20 and younger make of a majority if MJ users - so, hmm. Complicates things.

Here is a study by NIH which indicates are "normal" use levels MJ users tend to over compensate correcting for their impairment, where alcohol users tend to under compensate.

NIH on Traffic accidents with Alcohol and Marijuana (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722956/)

And thanks again for keeping me honest here. Sometimes I get carried away posting and mis-remember "facts".

[Nucky]

Lemme tell you a couple or three things.

Make it legal.

Consume it or your own property.

If you hurt a loved one of mine while your high or drunk the judge isn't the one you have to be concerned about. Case Closed!

I smoke it a dozen times in my whole stinkin life and wasn't very good at it. Most people chilled out. Me, an aggressive individual who would take the fillings outta your toofies type of animal and then a grocery destroyer afterward.

I don't care either way really. I hope the people who are in pain that can be helped can get MJ. I was offered it and turned it down. Against the rules of another club, I belong to.

(Thinking Of tomwed) At the other club, people often share that while they were making an arrangement to purchase some weed the salesman upsold them to something else. I'm not making the news just reporting it. So the gateway thing??? Who knows, you make the call.

[GrumpyOldMan]

You could not be more wrong. There is a government website that serves as an online resource for medical research. PubMed (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/)

There are hundreds of articles on the subject but here are a couple:

Cannabis Addiction and the Brain: a Review (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6223748/)


I wrote a LONG reply with links and all, and decided to delete it. (which you can;'t do on this forum).

The article is one of MANY on THC by NIH. And all of them refer to how THC affects the brain, referring it the effects as "similar" to other drugs that cause substance use disorder (the term addiction is not really used anymore except in general).

The addiction I and others was referring to is the traditional referenced to addiction that results in pain and suffering during withdrawl, and the addiction that results in lying, stealing or even in some cases killing to get a fix. That is not seen in THC users. Instead even heavy users that have sudden withdrawal typical have symptoms of anxiety and depression - more similar to coffee than say cocaine, opioids, heroin, etc. Which is the type of drugs the Federal Government lists MJ as being the same as.

sigh...

[Joanne19335]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?

I support it for medicinal purposes only.

[BillY41]

Gateway drug! Decriminalize personal possession, no smoking in public.

[Girlcopper]

"Marijuana use can lead to the development of problem use, known as a marijuana use disorder, which takes the form of addiction in severe cases. Recent data suggest that 30% of those who use marijuana may have some degree of marijuana use disorder. People who begin using marijuana before the age of 18 are four to seven times more likely to develop a marijuana use disorder than adults."

From: Is marijuana addictive? | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) (https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-addictive)
What the heck is marijuana use disorder?? Lol. It should be legalized, its not addictive. Liquor is addictive, cigarettes are addictive and legal.

[Get real]

It is a friggin plant....who cares????? It grows naturally. Have at it.

[Eg_cruz]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?
Yes

[Eg_cruz]

Since I have seen the effects is has on users over the years I do not support its legalization.

Follow the money.

Who and what entities lobbied through its legalization?

Who/what entities stand to benefit?

States will tax it so stand to gain although they (taxpayers) will bear some of the costs of pot use.
What the difference between smoking marijuana vs the drinking at City Fire everyday. On average they drink 4 to 6 drinks every time they belly up to the bar.

[Petersweeney]

The tax gains from sales are offset by the people who are are on public assistance b/c of MJ abuse -lazy and unemployable….basic fact that you won’t hear about from MSM….

[Eg_cruz]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?
Yes….and they should put a federal tax on it and for the first 20 years the tax goes direct to deficit…..🤣😂

[Eg_cruz]

It is legal in MA but I didn’t vote for it. The main issue for me is people driving. I have never used it and don’t plan on it. I am trying some Hemp gummies for a few health issues but that is all.
So there way more DUI involving alcohol than those involving marijuana
Heck just go to any square and see all the alcohol abuse every day starting at 11:00 am daily

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

Back in high school - I saw a bunch of kids who snuck out and came back to class just reeking of horrible odors. I never tried it or had the desire to try it. I guess you can call me ‘old-fashioned’ :-) :-). People who did it just never appealed to me - or were just not the type of people I (personally) wanted to spend time or be associated with. Just my personal preferences - likewise- if people don’t like the way I live - I certainly wouldn’t want to force it on anyone - either. To each his/her own!

Also, I just have this impression that someone has to deal with ‘shady’ characters to acquire drugs. And if someone is willing to do that - I just prefer to keep my distance from them. I could be wrong - but that is how I feel - you are all free to feel the way you want - as long as you aren’t endangering others - go for it! If you want to use drugs or drink until you are tipsy - go for it - I just hope and pray you stay away from the golf cart or car until you are sober.

I don’t think I am better than you or you are better than me - just a personal preference - it is just not the type of lifestyle I want to associate with - I believe everyone has free will to make those lifestyle decisions for themselves - they can live with the consequences - if any.

[GrumpyOldMan]

The tax gains from sales are offset by the people who are are on public assistance b/c of MJ abuse -lazy and unemployable….basic fact that you won’t hear about from MSM….

Except that 75% of Americans have used MJ, and 30% are using it. Sorry, you are incorrect. But, if you have some references to support that I would love to read them.

[JeanC]

A friend just came back from New Orleans. Where he stayed (French quarter) it’s legal there. He said the place stunk with pot smoking and every corner had people selling it. It’s a amazing cigarette smoking is so bad for people’s health, but pot smoking does so good. Nothing bad, it stinks and destroys in the long run. Most kids who smoke weed, start with it but then try other drugs. I remember how at bus stops some of the kids smelled the bus when they got on after smoking a joint. I guess if it was in the brownies and not smoked we would’ve only knew because of their yeah man speech. But they were 13 yr olds. If you sit out on the lanai and the smoke drifts to you, what do you think? Remember pot smokers enjoy company who indulge with them. Hey, the dancing will change at the squares, it could be entertaining!

You do realize NOLA stinks with or without pot.

Also FYI. Most pot these days are being consumed via dab pen. It’s almost odorless. I’ve seen folks use them in the squares and in the golf course. You would never know it.

[JMintzer]

As of last year, there were around 4000 people already in jail and serving time for "possession" of marijuana as the primary charge. Fewer than 10% of cannibis-related incarcerations were for trafficking. Possession alone can incur up to 7 years in federal prison. It doesn't usually, but it can. It's on the books.

It doesn't even matter if it's 7 years, or 7 days. Once you're in for possession, you are a convicted criminal and your chances of getting a decent job are down the tubes.

Please read my previous post about what they were "really" arrested for...

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

It should be legalized, not just decriminalized. The Florida law is a joke, designed to make money for the state, and for the doctors who pretend to be regulating the sale of Marijuana to only those who have a medical condition. In Florida, anyone who wants a license to buy Marijuana can get one, if they are willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money every year to the doctors and to the state. The screening process is totally ineffective.

I agree 100% with this post. I went for a screening. After spending about five minutes with an assistant a doctor came in and told me that I was eligible and signed a paper. I was then told that I had to pay $350 for that visit plus $75 for the license and then about $150 month for the product. After that, the license has to be renewed every ten months.

I provided no proof or even evidence of the conditions that I have. They simply took my word. I got the impression that no one gets turned down. The whole thing seemed like an assembly line process.

When I objected to the $350 charge, I was told that if I didn't want to pay, they wouldn't put the paperwork through. I said that that was fine and walked out.

The whole thing currently is a scam. It ought to be sold in liquor stores just like alcohol is.

I tried some that a friend with a license had and found it did nothing to relieve my pain. I also repeatedly asked the nurse and doctor if I had to stay high all the time in order to relieve my pain or if there were residual effects and could not get a straight answer.

People are simply claiming ailments, some of which may be legitimate, but buying this for recreation purposes.

[Quixote]

It should be legalized, not just decriminalized. The Florida law is a joke, designed to make money for the state, and for the doctors who pretend to be regulating the sale of Marijuana to only those who have a medical condition. In Florida, anyone who wants a license to buy Marijuana can get one, if they are willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money every year to the doctors and to the state. The screening process is totally ineffective.

Very true. Especially ’The Florida law is … designed to make money for the state and for the doctors who pretend to be regulating the sale of Marijuana [due] to … a medical condition…. if they are willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money every year to the doctors and to the state This is the law, and I follow it, knowing that this is the primary medication that is preventing greater—or possibly complete—loss of what little is left of my eyesight due to glaucoma.

In other states where marijuana is legal, for example Washington, the cost can be half, more or less, of what it is here, there are no ridiculously high—and ongoing—fees to state and doctor, and yes it’s true too that those who use it recreationally can buy it as freely as they can buy liquor.

I cannot even go through security at the airport, since TSA is federal and thus illegal; documented medical necessity is irrelevant. Does this make sense?


The tax gains from sales are offset by the people who are are on public assistance b/c of MJ abuse -lazy and unemployable….basic fact that you won’t hear about from MSM….

Please provide documentation for what otherwise sounds like a glibly stated opinion. I can speak only for myself when I say that I am not ‘lazy,’ ‘unemployable’ (though I am retired), and most certainly not on ‘public assistance’! Thank you. (And what is ‘MSM’?)

[DanBrew]

It is a very attractive plant. Why you can't grow a few on your own lanai baffles me. The DEA runs a cost of around $3.1 billion per year and the flippin IRS can't give me my $9k back they owe me. It is yet another failed federal government program that sucks cash from taxpayers. The feds will never decriminalize it for that reason. Remember, there is but one thing that creates bureacracies, and that is bureaucrats.

[LonnyP]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?

I do. And even after 35 years in law enforcement. Just don't use it out in the public areas or drive.
For those interested about the war on drugs there is a fascinating book out there title
Chasing the Scream. Extremely interesting.

[merled]

I will never support a mind altering drug. We have enough issues with beer, wine and alcohol.

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I will never support a mind altering drug. We have enough issues with beer, wine and alcohol.

Erm, wine and beer ARE alcohol. And yes they are mind altering drugs.

[tvbound]

Although a moot point for us, since we don't do either, the embracing of alcohol while being against pot is simply a massive hypocrisy. I think it started with the ridiculous and factually wrong short film 'Reefer Madness,' which a lot of now older and highly gullible people, actually still believe. I'll take a bunch of pot smokers, over drinkers, any day. The supposed 'War on Drugs' has been a huge failure, except for those who make a lot of money or wages off of it, or wanted a way to punish minorities even more (re: huge sentencing differences between crack and powder cocaine users).

One of the best comments I've ever heard, that is also at its core very true, is; "Four guys sitting around drinking booze want to start a fight, while four guys sitting around smoking pot - want to start a band." LOL

[nn0wheremann]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?
Regulation has a better chance of working than prohibition. Get the Feds out of it and leave it up to the States

[Ruth Garza]

As a retired substance abuse therapist I absolutely do not agree with de criminalizing pot.

[Proveone]

How is what you say any different than alcohol. Prohibition didn't last or work. The two substances are similar and should be treated as such.



Since I have seen the effects is has on users over the years I do not support its legalization.

Follow the money.

Who and what entities lobbied through its legalization?

Who/what entities stand to benefit?

States will tax it so stand to gain although they (taxpayers) will bear some of the costs of pot use.

[Chuckndianne]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?

No!

[airstreamingypsy]

Yes, I believe it should be legal for recreational use, and I believe the thousands of people serving jail sentences for using it should be released and their records expunged. It never should have been illegal in the first place. God put it on this earth to help people, and idiots took it away. I don't know why Florida hasn't jumped on the bandwagon, but I assume it's been cause crooked politicians want to make us pay for licenses, which we will no longer have to do when it's legal.

[Windguy]

Since I have seen the effects is has on users over the years I do not support its legalization.
Should we also bring back prohibition of alcohol?

[ronharvey2]

Seems to me the only taxpayers contributing to the State pot revenue will be pot smokers. Besides, we know where the revenue goes now. Better the States get it.

[KristineTVFL]

I absolutely do not.

[Rose Ann Vinci Igoe]

At last count there were 18 States that legalized weed. So far the Federal Government has not. Big disconnect! Prohibition didn’t work and neither has the war on drugs. I would vote to legalize marijuana.

I'm with you. And waiting for Florida !!!! as with anything do it responsibly.

[Blackbird45]

Put everything aside, this is a supply and demand issue.
You are never going to end the supply of and substance as long as there is a demand.
It doesn't matter if it is legal or not.

[Spalumbos62]

The War on Drugs acts as a price support guarantee for the Drug cartels, Americans WANT drugs, and they will pay whatever it costs to get them.

Poor kids from the inner-city have to make a choice - stand on a corner and sell drugs and get rich, buy guns, cars, and sex, or flip burgers for less than minimum wage. Since they need to protect themselves and their stash, they need to have guns. Because the other kids have guns, expensive handguns become an affordable cost of doing business, leading to the arms race with the police departments and the formation of gangs to help control turf for drug markets.

The drug war is possibly the worst policy this country has ever conceived of; whether or not you think drugs should be legal, there has to be a better way to deal with the drug "problems."

And let's not conflate the war on drugs and the separate issue of making marijuana illegal. Making MJ illegal started long before Nixon when the government first commissioned a study to determine if MJ was harmful or dangerous, and the report came back that it wasn't. That was not an acceptable outcome, so they announced that "more studies are needed." And the "More studies are needed" has been constantly repeated ever since - almost 100 years now (1937).

There is no doubt that inhaling smoke from a burning plant is hazardous. There is also evidence that marijuana can have adverse side effects. But, it's a matter of degree. And there are safer ways to take MJ - such as tinctures and edibles.

The old "reefer madness" (government slogan predating "brain on drugs") is simply a flat-out lie.

I believe there is still no evidence of ANYONE ever dying from an overdose of MJ, but many die from overdoses of Alcohol.

There is little or no evidence of automobile accidents resulting from or caused by MJ use. (30,000 die in Auto accidents annually, and the majority have Alcohol associated with them)

I don't believe there has ever been a bar fight with MJ as a cause, yet violence is a common side effect of Alcohol.

MJ is known to cause brain damage but about 10% of the brain damage caused by Alcohol.

Alcohol is addictive; MJ is not addictive.

It goes on and on.

If you can't tell, I am in favor of legalization.

There is NO serious evidence of MJ being a problem or a gateway. On the contrary, there is significant evidence that it is useful in treating numerous diseases and health conditions.

To all the people who comment that they have seen how much damage it can do to people's lives, I suggested some people will destroy their lives with some drug - MJ is not a gateway; it is simply inexpensive and readily available. Once a person has contacts with the black market criminals they buy from, it is a small step to get hard drugs from the same market. Pushers will often offer "free samples". But, again, it is not the MJ that causes the problem; it is forcing people to use illegal channels to get drugs.

I would remind everyone what happened when Alcohol was prohibited - mobs (like the Kennedys) got rich, and many people died. Just like what has been happening ever since we decided to make drugs illegal.



I agree with you.

I am not saying I smoke, have smoked or quit smoking..not relevant...but I know (people have told me...but to make this easier I'll say. "I" ) that getting high today is not going to make me need to get high tomorrow.
I know I have never, ever been tempted to move onto stronger, more dangerous drugs.
I know it can certainly help in stressful situations and have a person feel calm.
And best of all, it can make you laugh, over silly everyday things, w/o slobbering all over another.
I too vote for it to be legal.

[BlackhawksFan]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?
Yes

[roob1]

You need to examine the details, rather than generalize.



Is marijuana a gateway drug? | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) (https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-gateway-drug)

"These findings are consistent with the idea of marijuana as a "gateway drug." However, the majority of people who use marijuana do not go on to use other, "harder" substances. Also, cross-sensitization is not unique to marijuana. Alcohol and nicotine also prime the brain for a heightened response to other drugs51 and are, like marijuana, also typically used before a person progresses to other, more harmful substances."





Gateway drug! Decriminalize personal possession, no smoking in public.

[BigSteph]

A friend just came back from New Orleans. Where he stayed (French quarter) it’s legal there. He said the place stunk with pot smoking and every corner had people selling it. It’s a amazing cigarette smoking is so bad for people’s health, but pot smoking does so good. Nothing bad, it stinks and destroys in the long run. Most kids who smoke weed, start with it but then try other drugs. I remember how at bus stops some of the kids smelled the bus when they got on after smoking a joint. I guess if it was in the brownies and not smoked we would’ve only knew because of their yeah man speech. But they were 13 yr olds. If you sit out on the lanai and the smoke drifts to you, what do you think? Remember pot smokers enjoy company who indulge with them. Hey, the dancing will change at the squares, it could be entertaining!

I was sitting on my lanai the other day and smelled it. I looked over my shoulder and saw the 8-man team pouring concrete passing a cigarette. About half of the men took a puff and the other half declined.

I didn't get high and the smell dissipated in a minute.

Both the high and clear-minded workers kept working and the slab looked fine afterwards.


I am pro marijuana, but at the same time, I wouldn't want to smell it constantly.

I just moved from a legal state and while I fully support the personal responsible use of marijuana, I hated when I had to smell it. Just like I love a good $10 cigar on occasion, I hate when I have to endure it from someone else.

The big thing in marijuana use now is to take the plant material and heat it in a chamber to where the materials start to vaporize and are inhaled. You don't get the burnt smell. Sort of like bruising a mint leaf by rubbing between your fingers compared to lighting a fall-time leaf on fire -- two entirely different smells.


The marijuana argument is tiresome. I've had discussions with people who 100% believe it is immoral and a gateway drug. I've had discussions with people who shout "my body, my right." People tend to paint their feeling on "Vices" with the color of their politics and religion. I fall into the middle,... be reasonable, be responsible, do all things in moderation with the consideration of the risks and impact on others.

I also understand that strange things follow a path of Rejection, Tolerance, and Acceptance. I am at each of these phases on different things I see. On Marijuana, I just happen to have arrived at Acceptance.

[Boomer]

Hey, is anybody looking into buying a few shares of stock?

Acreage Holdings (ACRHF) is at $3.60 this morning. That’s the company with John Boehner on the board — after his 180.

I have not looked too far so far.

So. . .would looking into a small investment be a groovy thing to do?

Or could it lead to REEFER MADNESS!!?

Boomer

[GrumpyOldMan]

Hey, is anybody looking into buying a few shares of stock?

Acreage Holdings (ACRHF) is at $3.60 this morning. That’s the company with John Boehner on the board — after his 180.

I have not looked too far so far.

So. . .would looking into a small investment be a groovy thing to do?

Or could it lead to REEFER MADNESS!!?

Boomer

I heard it was a gateway investment and could lead to day trading and other more serious investment activities. Be careful, be very careful!

[SusanStCatherine]

I'm for not only decriminalization, I'm for legalizing marajuana federally. The war on drugs has failed and caused many victims.

[Windguy]

Since I have seen the effects is has on users over the years I do not support its legalization.

Follow the money.

Who and what entities lobbied through its legalization?

Who/what entities stand to benefit?

States will tax it so stand to gain although they (taxpayers) will bear some of the costs of pot use.
Following the money to see who benefitted from its criminalization in the first place might be illuminating. From Wikipedia:

Newspaper mogul William Randolph Hearst's empire of newspapers used the "yellow journalism" pioneered by Hearst to demonize the cannabis plant and spread a public perception that there were connections between cannabis and violent crime. Several scholars argue that the goal was to destroy the hemp industry, largely as an effort of Hearst, Andrew Mellon and the Du Pont family They argue that with the invention of the decorticator hemp became a very cheap substitute for the wood pulp that was used in the newspaper industry. However, Hearst newspapers owed large debts to Canadian suppliers of paper, who used wood as raw material. If an alternative raw material for paper had emerged, it would have lowered the price of the paper needed to print Hearst's many newspapers—a positive thing for Hearst.

Another reason is that it was to demonize immigrating Mexicans for whom cannabis use was a long cultural tradition. The racists scared people into thinking that dark-skinned drug fiends would murder and rape white women. Hmm. Murders and rapists. Where have I heard that before?

And the main reason why it is not legal now is because drug gangs, industrial prisons, and pharmaceutical companies don't want that. And, they have lots of money to lobby against legalization.

[SusanStCatherine]

My sister, a Florida resident at the time, was diagnosed in 2017 with pancreatic cancer and asked a doctor for medical marajuana. She was unable to get it from the Florida doctor, but was able to obtain it elsewhere. The doctor gave her a certain number of months to live. Well, she wound up living at least a few months past that (no thanks to that doctor). And I believe she was way more comfortable and able to eat more due to the marajuana. It shocks me Florida is not liberitarian on this issue like they are on a lot of other issues.

[Grunt 1946]

It's only been used since the beginning of the human race. Almost anyone like me, a baby boomer tried it. Is it a big deal? not in my opinion?

[brfree1411@aol.com]

OR we can use the tax money off MJ for our huge deficit that this government has used to provide an income for a lot of people who would not work.

[brfree1411@aol.com]

Love it!!!!

[brfree1411@aol.com]

Really? Not speeding & driving while drunk, interesting.

[jimkerr]

It should be decriminalized and if someone wants to grow their own medicine, they should be able to do so. I know many people that MJ has helped. If people stopped drinking excessively and had a little marijuana instead, we would live in a much friendlier environment. The pizza restaurants might be busier but that would be a good thing. :)

[golfing eagles]

It is a friggin plant....who cares????? It grows naturally. Have at it.

So is heroin, what's your point???

[rpalumberi]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?

I think, especially these days, you cannot believe everything you hear. I always, whenever possible, check sources as to who is saying whatever. We do not support legalization or decriminalization. Decriminalization is the 1st step toward legalization. We don't care much what others do in the privacy of their home but they're likely to go out and drive thereafter, at some point, and that concerns us because we don't want to meet them out on the road. I think this is nuts personally, being pushed by those who want to sell it.

[Wyseguy]

I tend to agree.

Remember who declared the War on Drugs? For those of you who don't, it was Richard Nixon, and we've been losing it ever since. This ludicrous war on drugs has cost more in deaths, broken homes and shattered lives than drugs ever could.

Time to adopt a rational policy, both for those who want to seek help with drugs and AGAINST the criminal element pushing them which has turned sections of our country into something resembling a war zone.

Would you be for the legalization of all drugs? Fentanyl included?

[Wyseguy]

Following the money to see who benefitted from its criminalization in the first place might be illuminating. From Wikipedia:



Another reason is that it was to demonize immigrating Mexicans for whom cannabis use was a long cultural tradition. The racists scared people into thinking that dark-skinned drug fiends would murder and rape white women. Hmm. Murders and rapists. Where have I heard that before?

And the main reason why it is not legal now is because drug gangs, industrial prisons, and pharmaceutical companies don't want that. And, they have lots of money to lobby against legalization.

Different drugs have been a part of people cultures for ever. Not sure that should play a part in our legalizing the drug. In college my professor brought a group of us to study, live with, learn from the Yaqui Indians. They use peyote. I am not sure our current culture would be able to partake with the same respect I witnessed back then. Without this there would be death and degradation of our cities.

[mcwood4d]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?

Seems like an opportunity for more voluntary taxation 💁*♂️

[jimjamuser]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Calisport]

Pot is dangerous for most people because of bad side effects especially if children use it

[GrumpyOldMan]

Would you be for the legalization of all drugs? Fentanyl included?

I would be for the legalization of all drugs.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Pot is dangerous for most people because of bad side effects especially if children use it

Why mention children? Do we allow children to drink Everclear? Legalization does not imply 6-year-olds can buy it at the corner store. And I am not sure what "bad side effects" you are referring to.

[jimjamuser]

I tend to agree.

Remember who declared the War on Drugs? For those of you who don't, it was Richard Nixon, and we've been losing it ever since. This ludicrous war on drugs has cost more in deaths, broken homes and shattered lives than drugs ever could.

Time to adopt a rational policy, both for those who want to seek help with drugs and AGAINST the criminal element pushing them which has turned sections of our country into something resembling a war zone.
The Federal and State governments could use the profits from legalized sales for the good of the people. Now the profits from illegal sales go to criminals which then upgrade their customers to harder and more dangerous drugs. Profits from legalized weed could increase the budget of the DEA and allow other Police groups to concentrate on the more life-killing drugs. The profits could also provide more drug treatment centers, homeless shelters, and many other worthwhile programs. There would also be less drug traffic across the Southern Border. The 75% are correct and government needs to respond to the citizens' desires.

[GrumpyOldMan]

The Federal and State governments could use the profits from legalized sales for the good of the people. Now the profits from illegal sales go to criminals which then upgrade their customers to harder and more dangerous drugs. Profits from legalized weed could increase the budget of the DEA and allow other Police groups to concentrate on the more life-killing drugs. The profits could also provide more drug treatment centers, homeless shelters, and many other worthwhile programs. There would also be less drug traffic across the Southern Border. The 75% are correct and government needs to respond to the citizens' desires.

All true, but then, when does the government vote in its constituent's interest? MIT study of congressional voting patterns over several decades showed that Congress Critters vote against their own constituents' best interests 85% of the time, choosing instead to vote in the interest of special interest (big money).

[jimjamuser]

The War on Drugs acts as a price support guarantee for the Drug cartels, Americans WANT drugs, and they will pay whatever it costs to get them.

Poor kids from the inner-city have to make a choice - stand on a corner and sell drugs and get rich, buy guns, cars, and sex, or flip burgers for less than minimum wage. Since they need to protect themselves and their stash, they need to have guns. Because the other kids have guns, expensive handguns become an affordable cost of doing business, leading to the arms race with the police departments and the formation of gangs to help control turf for drug markets.

The drug war is possibly the worst policy this country has ever conceived of; whether or not you think drugs should be legal, there has to be a better way to deal with the drug "problems."

And let's not conflate the war on drugs and the separate issue of making marijuana illegal. Making MJ illegal started long before Nixon when the government first commissioned a study to determine if MJ was harmful or dangerous, and the report came back that it wasn't. That was not an acceptable outcome, so they announced that "more studies are needed." And the "More studies are needed" has been constantly repeated ever since - almost 100 years now (1937).

There is no doubt that inhaling smoke from a burning plant is hazardous. There is also evidence that marijuana can have adverse side effects. But, it's a matter of degree. And there are safer ways to take MJ - such as tinctures and edibles.

The old "reefer madness" (government slogan predating "brain on drugs") is simply a flat-out lie.

I believe there is still no evidence of ANYONE ever dying from an overdose of MJ, but many die from overdoses of Alcohol.

There is little or no evidence of automobile accidents resulting from or caused by MJ use. (30,000 die in Auto accidents annually, and the majority have Alcohol associated with them)

I don't believe there has ever been a bar fight with MJ as a cause, yet violence is a common side effect of Alcohol.

MJ is known to cause brain damage but about 10% of the brain damage caused by Alcohol.

Alcohol is addictive; MJ is not addictive.

It goes on and on.

If you can't tell, I am in favor of legalization.

There is NO serious evidence of MJ being a problem or a gateway. On the contrary, there is significant evidence that it is useful in treating numerous diseases and health conditions.

To all the people who comment that they have seen how much damage it can do to people's lives, I suggested some people will destroy their lives with some drug - MJ is not a gateway; it is simply inexpensive and readily available. Once a person has contacts with the black market criminals they buy from, it is a small step to get hard drugs from the same market. Pushers will often offer "free samples". But, again, it is not the MJ that causes the problem; it is forcing people to use illegal channels to get drugs.

I would remind everyone what happened when Alcohol was prohibited - mobs (like the Kennedys) got rich, and many people died. Just like what has been happening ever since we decided to make drugs illegal.
This IS a great post. I would like to add that, "Reefer Madness" was an early movie paid for by the Hearst family because they owned a chain of newspapers - and owned many acres of timber farms to make paper. Marijuana also makes good paper and grows prolifically (a weed). So, Grandpaw Hearst avoided the competition by scaring the public about, "the Devil's Weed". And it has taken the US around 100 years to dispel the Hearst MYTH!

[jimjamuser]

For those of us who used MJ as a way to relax on weekends in the 60's & 70's, we know that MJ makes you calm, peaceful & hungry. It never makes you violent. Driving is an experience, you S-L-O-W down, stop at green lights, stop for a long while at stop signs. No danger of speeding or having an accident.
Unless you have smoked it, you will believe anything the studies show. I stopped smoking since 1981 and have had no withdrawals ever. Basically, it is a way to really relax & if you do it inside your home & stay put it should be nobody's business. Yes, it will be taxed, as is liquor, so what. The freedom to use it should be legal.
I have seen people addicted to gambling, sex, alcohol & anything else. MJ is not addictive. A person with an addictive personality will get addicted to TV, video games, cell phones, anything.
A good percentage of adults are on "anxiety" medication. MJ would cure that for sure.
A great post!

[SugarOnMyTongue]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?

Broke my back and was left with nerve damage and chronic pain beyond imagine.

The oxycotin scare was blown out of proportion and and doctors were all scared poopless to prescribe it. As a result I was put on a medical marijuana program. Life would be unbearable without it.

Now, there is tons of room for improvement in these programs....its super expensive, limited strains, often is only available in a vape (poisonous) form, etc..

This is yet another situation where commercial industry does a much better job than the government.


In addition to addressing chronic pain, marijuana has a lot of other uses and is helpful in solving many other daily strifes where pharmaceutical meds and/ or alcohol fill that gap now. Legal marijuana is a far more rational choice.

If this was not true, you would not find so many people on board with this movement.

Some of you may never need anything like this and you are the blessed. For the remainder of us, recreational marijuana serves a vital purpose. I realize some of you want to keep others of us hurting, and/or to use stronger pharmaceuticals or alcohol for relief . I would simply ask that you educate yourself from a medical perspective and be compassionate to your fellow man.

Sug

[ScottGo]

Should be totally legal, pot/weed. The other sh-t should remain as it currently is. Med. weed works great if you make cannibutter w/crock pot, no inhaling. Butter your toast-muffin with it or make cookies.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I think, especially these days, you cannot believe everything you hear. I always, whenever possible, check sources as to who is saying whatever. We do not support legalization or decriminalization. Decriminalization is the 1st step toward legalization. We don't care much what others do in the privacy of their home but they're likely to go out and drive thereafter, at some point, and that concerns us because we don't want to meet them out on the road. I think this is nuts personally, being pushed by those who want to sell it.

1. They're already doing it while driving. You're already meeting them on the road.

2. Most people don't want to sell it. Most people who are prolegalization want to buy it, legally.

3. Your argument might make sense if you were also fighting for the return of Prohibition of alcohol, except it wouldn't make sense since it's already been proven to be a failure. The cannabis prohibition has also been proven a failure, which is why it's legal in 18 states already and - in fact - lots of your fellow Villagers are smoking or ingesting cannabis and related products legally already with a medical card.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Pot is dangerous for most people because of bad side effects especially if children use it

So is fried food, alcohol, blood thinners, Benadryl, football, and sex.

[Ben Franklin]

Pot is dangerous for most people because of bad side effects especially if children use it

Nope. Sorry. Alcohol has worse side effects and we set the law at 21 years of age. Did you know that if you want answers look to Israel. Our NIH has been subsidizing marijuana research for over 50 years. They've done the research but we refuse to look at it. I firmly believe it's because we have such a corrupt government who are paid off, in this case, by the pharms and alcohol industries.

[Becca9800]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?

How can it be any worse than a bottle of chardonnay or Jamo? Never liked pot, really like chardonnay. :icon_wink: Def shouldn't be criminal, and should probably be legalized, like Jamo and chardonnay.

[Becca9800]

Pot is dangerous for most people because of bad side effects especially if children use it

Side effects? Hmmm.... besides paranoia and the munchies, I never experienced side effects, and def not any that were bad or dangerous. Not as a child (under 18) or as an adult. I will give though that my usage has been very limited. Recently visited w my Cali son, where it's legal. Edibles anyone?

[Incoblack1]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?

Yes. Marijuana users are filling up our jails when they are not criminals. Marijuana is no more dangerous than tobacco or alcohol and should be treated similarly. Penalties for under age use and fines for abuse but it must be legalized to promote respect for the law!

[GrumpyOldMan]

Nope. Sorry. Alcohol has worse side effects and we set the law at 21 years of age. Did you know that if you want answers look to Israel. Our NIH has been subsidizing marijuana research for over 50 years. They've done the research but we refuse to look at it. I firmly believe it's because we have such a corrupt government who are paid off, in this case, by the pharms and alcohol industries.

Don't forget the S. American cartels that are doing a $50 Billion/year business selling illegal drugs in the US. But, I am certain they would never attempt to spend some of that money to ensure the right politicians get elected. I mean that would be illegal and they wouldn't... oh, wait, never mind.

[Nordhagen]

The War on Drugs acts as a price support guarantee for the Drug cartels, Americans WANT drugs, and they will pay whatever it costs to get them.

Poor kids from the inner-city have to make a choice - stand on a corner and sell drugs and get rich, buy guns, cars, and sex, or flip burgers for less than minimum wage. Since they need to protect themselves and their stash, they need to have guns. Because the other kids have guns, expensive handguns become an affordable cost of doing business, leading to the arms race with the police departments and the formation of gangs to help control turf for drug markets.

The drug war is possibly the worst policy this country has ever conceived of; whether or not you think drugs should be legal, there has to be a better way to deal with the drug "problems."

And let's not conflate the war on drugs and the separate issue of making marijuana illegal. Making MJ illegal started long before Nixon when the government first commissioned a study to determine if MJ was harmful or dangerous, and the report came back that it wasn't. That was not an acceptable outcome, so they announced that "more studies are needed." And the "More studies are needed" has been constantly repeated ever since - almost 100 years now (1937).

There is no doubt that inhaling smoke from a burning plant is hazardous. There is also evidence that marijuana can have adverse side effects. But, it's a matter of degree. And there are safer ways to take MJ - such as tinctures and edibles.

The old "reefer madness" (government slogan predating "brain on drugs") is simply a flat-out lie.

I believe there is still no evidence of ANYONE ever dying from an overdose of MJ, but many die from overdoses of Alcohol.

There is little or no evidence of automobile accidents resulting from or caused by MJ use. (30,000 die in Auto accidents annually, and the majority have Alcohol associated with them)

I don't believe there has ever been a bar fight with MJ as a cause, yet violence is a common side effect of Alcohol.

MJ is known to cause brain damage but about 10% of the brain damage caused by Alcohol.

Alcohol is addictive; MJ is not addictive.

It goes on and on.

If you can't tell, I am in favor of legalization.

There is NO serious evidence of MJ being a problem or a gateway. On the contrary, there is significant evidence that it is useful in treating numerous diseases and health conditions.

To all the people who comment that they have seen how much damage it can do to people's lives, I suggested some people will destroy their lives with some drug - MJ is not a gateway; it is simply inexpensive and readily available. Once a person has contacts with the black market criminals they buy from, it is a small step to get hard drugs from the same market. Pushers will often offer "free samples". But, again, it is not the MJ that causes the problem; it is forcing people to use illegal channels to get drugs.

I would remind everyone what happened when Alcohol was prohibited - mobs (like the Kennedys) got rich, and many people died. Just like what has been happening ever since we decided to make drugs illegal.
No one flipping burgers gets paid less than minimum wage.

[JMintzer]

Yes. Marijuana users are filling up our jails when they are not criminals. Marijuana is no more dangerous than tobacco or alcohol and should be treated similarly. Penalties for under age use and fines for abuse but it must be legalized to promote respect for the law!

Could you please cite all of the "users" (not distributors, but simple users) who are filling the jails...

[Travelingal702]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?I've seen the very positive affect it has had on someone with fibromyalgia and severe diabetes who was unable to sleep properly due to pain. So, in spite of all the naysayers, I say yes to medical marijuana:pray::pray:.

[brfree1411@aol.com]

NOT DRUGS just MJ. Why is it the people are so damn uptight about MJ? It is as much a drug as booze, in fact much better, no violence.

[Tim C.]

even if 100% legal, I would not get involved with it, no

[SusanStCatherine]

Decriminalize all drugs and drug-related criminal activity will be reduced.

The current laws and policies on drugs are flawed (l was a nurse so have a lot of interest and knowledge) and here are a few examples I know are true:

Someone recently had a severe case of shingles. Denied any kind of prescription pain medication due to doctors being reluctant to prescribe due to the opoid epidemic.

Someone who has had ADHD for 10 years has to see a physician every 90 days so they can get a 30-day-at-a-time prescription of a stimulant drug they have been taking for 10 years for which they have to show their drivers license each and every time they pick it up. And get to pay close to $300 for that drug with a coupon - every single month. And the pharmacy doesn't always have stock, so just wait and do without it until it comes in.

Have severe sinus congestion? Go buy the most effective drug for that - pseudoephedrine - and be forced to give your ID so you don't start your own meth lab on the limited quantity you are allowed to purchase.

Want to use some ephedra which was never a prescription drug? Ephedra is a Chinese shrub which has been used in China for medicinal purposes for several thousand years. It was used in the US by many for years until a baseball player (Belcher) took too much and went out in the hot sun while dehydrated and died. Never mind he had suffered a couple of heat strokes during adolescence and his half-brother died of a brain anyuerism and his father had 70% blockage of his aorta. His wife's testimony lead the FDA to ban it in the US.

Katie Couric husband dies of colon cancer - tons of invasive colonoscopies for even those at low-risk.

Your bad cholesterol edging to the upper limit? Take a statin and nevermind the many awful side effects. From what I've read and witnessed, statins are extremely overused.

The insulin patent from the University of Toronto was sold for $1 with the understanding that cheap insulin would become available. Yet many who need insulin are unable to afford today's high prices. Many recent deaths due to people trying to ration their doses to reduce their costs.

Those are just a few examples of drugs and regulations.

I would probably vote to decriminalize all drug use, especially marajuana. I would strongly consider legalizing all drug use. As for possession and distribution of large quantities of non-regulated drugs , that's another thing.

P. S.

The current state of US pharmaceuticals drive me crazy.

The Affordable Care Act drives me insane.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Could you please cite all of the "users" (not distributors, but simple users) who are filling the jails...

Correct, the majority of people put in jail now are "traffickers". Sadly, many are just users that sell half of what they buy to their friends. But, they did sell it.

The cartels are certainly not suffering an employee shortage...

[GrumpyOldMan]

Decriminalize all drugs and drug-related criminal activity will be reduced.

The current laws and policies on drugs are flawed (l was a nurse so have a lot of interest and knowledge) and here are a few examples I know are true:

Someone recently had a severe case of shingles. Denied any kind of prescription pain medication due to doctors being reluctant to prescribe due to the opoid epidemic.

Someone who has had ADHD for 10 years has to see a physician every 90 days so they can get a 30-day-at-a-time prescription of a stimulant drug they have been taking for 10 years for which they have to show their drivers license each and every time they pick it up. And get to pay close to $300 for that drug with a coupon - every single month. And the pharmacy doesn't always have stock, so just wait and do without it until it comes in.

Have severe sinus congestion? Go buy the most effective drug for that - pseudoephedrine - and be forced to give your ID so you don't start your own meth lab on the limited quantity you are allowed to purchase.

Want to use some ephedra which was never a prescription drug? Ephedra is a Chinese shrub which has been used in China for medicinal purposes for several thousand years. It was used in the US by many for years until a baseball player (Belcher) took too much and went out in the hot sun while dehydrated and died. Never mind he had suffered a couple of heat strokes during adolescence and his half-brother died of a brain anyuerism and his father had 70% blockage of his aorta. His wife's testimony lead the FDA to ban it in the US.

Katie Couric husband dies of colon cancer - tons of invasive colonoscopies for even those at low-risk.

Your bad cholesterol edging to the upper limit? Take a statin and nevermind the many awful side effects. From what I've read and witnessed, statins are extremely overused.

The insulin patent from the University of Toronto was sold for $1 with the understanding that cheap insulin would become available. Yet many who need insulin are unable to afford today's high prices. Many recent deaths due to people trying to ration their doses to reduce their costs.

Those are just a few examples of drugs and regulations.

I would probably vote to decriminalize all drug use, especially marajuana. I would strongly consider legalizing all drug use. As for possession and distribution of large quantities of non-regulated drugs , that's another thing.

P. S.

The current state of US pharmaceuticals drive me crazy.

The Affordable Care Act drives me insane.

Most of those are so big pharma makes more.

I heard one just. day or two ago. A new drug for Post Partum Depression. Of all teh treatments currently available many (most?) are ineffective. The new drug shows almost 75% cure in days.

J&J "requires" the patient to have tried 4 separate treatments that failed and have tried Electro Shock therapy, and THEN they can get a prescription (recommended to doctors, not required) And all of that has to happen within 6 months of delivery. It is virtually impossible to get all that done in 6 months.

And ECT? Seriously for postpartum depression? When there appears to be a cure that works in days with no significant side effects.

I really don't like big pharma much.

[jimjamuser]

Nope. Sorry. Alcohol has worse side effects and we set the law at 21 years of age. Did you know that if you want answers look to Israel. Our NIH has been subsidizing marijuana research for over 50 years. They've done the research but we refuse to look at it. I firmly believe it's because we have such a corrupt government who are paid off, in this case, by the pharms and alcohol industries.
Yes, I believe that IS true!

[jimjamuser]

Don't forget the S. American cartels that are doing a $50 Billion/year business selling illegal drugs in the US. But, I am certain they would never attempt to spend some of that money to ensure the right politicians get elected. I mean that would be illegal and they wouldn't... oh, wait, never mind.
Right! Trace the money $ back from the politicians to the lobbyists, then to the money $ launderers, then to the crime Cartels.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Right! Trace the money $ back from the politicians to the lobbyists, then to the money $ launderers, then to the crime Cartels.

Yup, I expect it can't be proven, but it seems like if I had that kind of business I would reinvest a bit of the income to insure my market was kept open.

[fishon]

It should not be decriminalized, period.

[Normal]

I don’t smoke it, in fact I don’t smoke anything let alone pot. But, I have seen family go through cancer treatments and I know that “pot” makes their life better. I think if someone has arthritis or is undergoing chemotherapy they should have easy access to marijuana. Don ‘t smoke it around me and I don’t care.

[mldonnella]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?. NO, I don’t. From what I’ve heard the Marijuana of today is much stronger.

[GrumpyOldMan]

. NO, I don’t. From what I’ve heard the Marijuana of today is much stronger.


It is much stronger.

Having smoked for 40 years (2 packs of Pall Mall per day) I quit 15 years ago, and there is NO way I would inhale pot into my lungs. I use Tinctures (oil infused with THC) where I can control the dose precisely and my lungs thank me for putting drops under my tongue instead of inhaling hot smoke.

Also, when I did try smoking it I got high, when I use Tincture I just relax and don't get high. Much better.

EDIT: The point of this was that with smoking leaf you can't be sure what dose you are getting, with tincture you can.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Here is another thought about making MJ legal as an alternative to Alcohol: 750,000 cases of cancer in 2020 are attributed to ALCOHOL consumption.

Lancet Oncology: 2020 Cancer study (http://https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/07/16/1016586837/new-study-says-nearly-3-4-million-cancers-a-year-linked-to-alcohol-use)

[Bay Kid]

Now legal in VA. Our state has gone to hell in a handbasket. No IDs needed.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Now legal in VA. Our state has gone to hell in a handbasket. No IDs needed.

What "hell in a handbasket" changes have you seen as a result of legalization?

[tvbound]

What "hell in a handbasket" changes have you seen as a result of legalization?

All of the drunks at the bar are talking about the changes. LOL

[Get real]

If the bike clubs in The Villages sold weed, would they be called drug peddlers?

If not, at least nobody would care if they ran through stop signs as a group...

[Ben Franklin]

Amazon and many other companies no longer test employees for marijuana.

Amazon Won't Test Job Seekers For Marijuana Use : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/1002409858/amazon-wont-test-jobseekers-for-marijuana)

[GrumpyOldMan]

Amazon and many other companies no longer test employees for marijuana.

Amazon Won't Test Job Seekers For Marijuana Use : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/1002409858/amazon-wont-test-jobseekers-for-marijuana)

Good, imagine the uproar if they required periodic tests for alcohol.

I have no problem with punishing someone who is impaired at work and puts other people's lives at risk. I have a problem with punishing people because they might.

[Bay Kid]

What "hell in a handbasket" changes have you seen as a result of legalization?

In time.

[Ben Franklin]

. NO, I don’t. From what I’ve heard the Marijuana of today is much stronger.

As strong as Everclear alcohol at 190 Proof, which is 95% alcohol??? Available in 31 states.

[kkingston57]

Have not tabulated responses here, but it does appear that the responses are the same as the survey. Need to de criminalize pot, especially at the Federal level. Can not be any worse than alcohol.

[Topspinmo]

I’ve seen support groups for Pain killer abuse supplied by Pharmaceutical companies
Support groups for Alcohol abuse.
If have not seen a support group for Marijuana abuse.


Yet?

[Topspinmo]

Don’t really matter, pot heads are going to smoke it regardless, for the few that actually gets some medical benifits they won’t be criminalized now. As baby boomers slowly take over law making I suspect marijuana will be least of fantasy drugs. I see the many forms of cocaine be decriminalized also. After all most upper class on high on something anyway ( somebody buying the billion’s dollars of illegal drugs?) But only the poor will suffer with their bad habits. Look who’s in jail for illegal drug abuse? Rich man get good lawyer gets off, poor man goes to jail.

[PennBF]

These are facts that users cannot deny nor dismiss.
- It is a mind altering drug
- A lot of users try to compare it to liquor in order to justify usage
- It is a gate way drug in which 10-20% of users move on to the other drugs.
- It has terrible effects on brain of person's under age of 18
- It is against the law to use or have unless:
with a Doctor's prescription
- Regardless of age, long term use effects drive, ambition, brain, etc.
- It is illegal to grow without a Gov. license
- It can and does impact family relationships
- It encourages children to try and it harms them (see above)
- It can and does put some parents in jail thereby neglecting children
- Users usually encourage others, including children to use by omitting the harmful effects
- AA and Narco meetings are filled with those who started on Pot
- It can and possibly lead to lung cancer or bladder cancer which are the results
of smoking regardless this or other forms of smoking
- Go ahead you fill in the rest of why not!

As you can see these are facts and end up with why does anyone thinks it is a good ides to start on Pot or if you are a "user" try to convince others it is harmless. It is sad there are those who can't handle life without drugging their mind. And yes you are an addict so to point out the addicts who over drink, use coke or meth, etc. etc. just keep in mind
the pot smoker is just another addict.:ho:

[GrumpyOldMan]

These are facts that users cannot deny nor dismiss.
- It is a mind altering drug
- A lot of users try to compare it to liquor in order to justify usage
- It is a gate way drug in which 10-20% of users move on to the other drugs.
- It has terrible effects on brain of person's under age of 18
- It is against the law to use or have unless:
with a Doctor's prescription
- Regardless of age, long term use effects drive, ambition, brain, etc.
- It is illegal to grow without a Gov. license
- It can and does impact family relationships
- It encourages children to try and it harms them (see above)
- It can and does put some parents in jail thereby neglecting children
- Users usually encourage others, including children to use by omitting the harmful effects
- AA and Narco meetings are filled with those who started on Pot
- It can and possibly lead to lung cancer or bladder cancer which are the results
of smoking regardless this or other forms of smoking
- Go ahead you fill in the rest of why not!

As you can see these are facts and end up with why does anyone thinks it is a good ides to start on Pot or if you are a "user" try to convince others it is harmless. It is sad there are those who can't handle life without drugging their mind. And yes you are an addict so to point out the addicts who over drink, use coke or meth, etc. etc. just keep in mind
the pot smoker is just another addict.:ho:

Hmm, sorry but I disagree, most of those are not facts.

Hmm.


It is a mind-altering drug - uh, yes, which is the point of pointing out that there are many mind-altering drugs that are legal, and so, people question what is MJ illegal if those other drugs are legal.

It is NOT to justify the usage, it is to show the hypocrisy of sucking down a couple of Manhattans and killing a family out riding in their golf cart by drunk driving home. But then being totally against someone smoking a joint in their own house and pigging out on pizza.

It is not a gateway drug, it has been shown that those that move on to hard drugs, started on MJ because it was easier to obtain and it introduced them to the shady pusher who gets them hooked on the hard stuff. Those that do progress to hard drugs almost always have other issues that lead to it.

You could just as easily say that Aspirin is a gateway drug, that leads to prescription opioids.

Effects on the brain - again, the hypocrisy here is the problem. We are okay with thousands of deaths and brain damage from Alcohol, but MJ has to be illegal even though there are no deaths from MJ overdose and the brain damage is significantly less than that caused by the beers and vodka the kids are drinking.

Yes, it IS against the law, which is the point of this thread, we are discussing why and if it should be legalized. Saying it is against the law is a reason to not legalize it is kind of "interesting".

'It can and does impact family relationships " - hmm, even hear of mean drunks? Ever hear - I am sorry darling, I only slept with them because I was drunk.

That is enough - you get the idea.

Seriously, if you look over your list of negatives, it is a testimony to making alcohol illegal, since in every item you list, alcohol is worse, and yet still legal.

Are you in favor of the prohibition of Alcohol? If not, why not?

[DaddyD]

As baby boomers slowly take over law making I suspect marijuana will be least of fantasy drugs. I see the many forms of cocaine be decriminalized also.

Look who’s in jail for illegal drug abuse? Rich man get good lawyer gets off, poor man goes to jail.

Fantasy drugs? What are you talking about??

You see "the many forms of cocaine be(ing) decriminalized"? What are these "many forms" you are referring to?

There's no denying that those that can afford good legal representation get lighter sentences than those that cannot, and that historically, people of color who were charged with the possession (most often) for the "crack" form of cocaine, received much harsher / lengthier prison sentences than white / caucasian defendants who most often were charged with possession of "powder" cocaine.

[Ben Franklin]

Hmm, sorry but I disagree, most of those are not facts.

Hmm.


It is a mind-altering drug - uh, yes, which is the point of pointing out that there are many mind-altering drugs that are legal, and so, people question what is MJ illegal if those other drugs are legal.

It is NOT to justify the usage, it is to show the hypocrisy of sucking down a couple of Manhattans and killing a family out riding in their golf cart by drunk driving home. But then being totally against someone smoking a joint in their own house and pigging out on pizza.

It is not a gateway drug, it has been shown that those that move on to hard drugs, started on MJ because it was easier to obtain and it introduced them to the shady pusher who gets them hooked on the hard stuff. Those that do progress to hard drugs almost always have other issues that lead to it.

You could just as easily say that Aspirin is a gateway drug, that leads to prescription opioids.

Effects on the brain - again, the hypocrisy here is the problem. We are okay with thousands of deaths and brain damage from Alcohol, but MJ has to be illegal even though there are no deaths from MJ overdose and the brain damage is significantly less than that caused by the beers and vodka the kids are drinking.

Yes, it IS against the law, which is the point of this thread, we are discussing why and if it should be legalized. Saying it is against the law is a reason to not legalize it is kind of "interesting".

'It can and does impact family relationships " - hmm, even hear of mean drunks? Ever hear - I am sorry darling, I only slept with them because I was drunk.

That is enough - you get the idea.

Seriously, if you look over your list of negatives, it is a testimony to making alcohol illegal, since in every item you list, alcohol is worse, and yet still legal.

Are you in favor of the prohibition of Alcohol? If not, why not?

Excellent retort. I find those who are against marijuana either never used it, or simply don't like the idea of other people being free to enjoy their choice to wind down, plus they put out fake info and call them facts.

By the way, I never had a good night's sleep after drinking alcohol (beer or wine - never drank the hard stuff), but after ingesting a marijuana brownie, cookie or gummy, I sleep very soundly through the entire night.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Excellent retort. I find those who are against marijuana either never used it, or simply don't like the idea of other people being free to enjoy their choice to wind down, plus they put out fake info and call them facts.

By the way, I never had a good night's sleep after drinking alcohol (beer or wine - never drank the hard stuff), but after ingesting a marijuana brownie, cookie or gummy, I sleep very soundly through the entire night.

Yeah, alcohol always left me exhausted after a nights sleep. I use THC tincture for my hands during the day, but very little it puts me to sleep if I take too much. And chocolate edibles at night. Where I usually slept 4 or 5 hours for the past decade, I can now sleep 7 to 8 hours and wake up rested. About $1.00 per night is very affordable, no waking up feeling sluggish. Good stuff, for me.

[DaddyD]

These are facts that users cannot deny nor dismiss.
- It is a mind altering drug
- A lot of users try to compare it to liquor in order to justify usage
- It is a gate way drug in which 10-20% of users move on to the other drugs.
- It has terrible effects on brain of person's under age of 18
- It is against the law to use or have unless:
with a Doctor's prescription
- Regardless of age, long term use effects drive, ambition, brain, etc.
- It is illegal to grow without a Gov. license
- It can and does impact family relationships
- It encourages children to try and it harms them (see above)
- It can and does put some parents in jail thereby neglecting children
- Users usually encourage others, including children to use by omitting the harmful effects
- AA and Narco meetings are filled with those who started on Pot
- It can and possibly lead to lung cancer or bladder cancer which are the results
of smoking regardless this or other forms of smoking
- Go ahead you fill in the rest of why not!

As you can see these are facts and end up with why does anyone thinks it is a good ides to start on Pot or if you are a "user" try to convince others it is harmless. It is sad there are those who can't handle life without drugging their mind. And yes you are an addict so to point out the addicts who over drink, use coke or meth, etc. etc. just keep in mind
the pot smoker is just another addict.:ho:

OK Boomer....

[Fredster]

These are facts that users cannot deny nor dismiss.
- It is a mind altering drug
- A lot of users try to compare it to liquor in order to justify usage
- It is a gate way drug in which 10-20% of users move on to the other drugs.
- It has terrible effects on brain of person's under age of 18
- It is against the law to use or have unless:
with a Doctor's prescription
- Regardless of age, long term use effects drive, ambition, brain, etc.
- It is illegal to grow without a Gov. license
- It can and does impact family relationships
- It encourages children to try and it harms them (see above)
- It can and does put some parents in jail thereby neglecting children
- Users usually encourage others, including children to use by omitting the harmful effects
- AA and Narco meetings are filled with those who started on Pot
- It can and possibly lead to lung cancer or bladder cancer which are the results
of smoking regardless this or other forms of smoking
- Go ahead you fill in the rest of why not!

As you can see these are facts and end up with why does anyone thinks it is a good ides to start on Pot or if you are a "user" try to convince others it is harmless. It is sad there are those who can't handle life without drugging their mind. And yes you are an addict so to point out the addicts who over drink, use coke or meth, etc. etc. just keep in mind
the pot smoker is just another addict.:ho:

:bigbow: I couldn’t have said it better!

[PennBF]

Ask any person that is involved in treating drug addictions and they will tell you that an
addicts defense for using is to direct the conversation to a comparing pot to alcohol. Rather then admitting to the impact Pot has on ones life they try to justify it as it is not as bad as alcohol. A simple reality check is that pot can cause you to go to jail, it has significant impact on a young persons brain, buying it takes away money that can be used to better the family and child's life, etc etc. The previous chart is accurate regarding the many harms that Pot can bring to a person's life. To say it is incorrect is just another attempt as a minimum to continue to abuse your family and yourself by escaping the real world. :ho:

[GrumpyOldMan]

A simple reality check is that pot can cause you to go to jail

Uh, wow, just wow...

We are discussing if pot should be legalized. POT does not cause you to go to jail. That would be the government saying it is illegal.

[tvbound]

"A simple reality check is that pot can cause you to go to jail."


Umm, I think that is the whole premise of this thread. The real question is, should people go to jail for using or possession of pot? I'm in the camp that thinks we need to sharply increase the consequences of a DUI, any DUI, including even prescribed drugs that warn of impairment, pot (if it can be proved that they're actually "under the influence" and not just in the system from a few days ago), painkillers, etc., whereby the first conviction is $5,000 and a mandatory 3 months in jail. No passing go, no community service and no exceptions.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

"A simple reality check is that pot can cause you to go to jail."


Umm, I think that is the whole premise of this thread. The real question is, should people go to jail for using or possession of pot? I'm in the camp that thinks we need to sharply increase the consequences of a DUI, any DUI, including even prescribed drugs that warn of impairment, pot (if it can be proved that they're actually "under the influence" and not just in the system from a few days ago), painkillers, etc., whereby the first conviction is $5,000 and a mandatory 3 months in jail. No passing go, no community service and no exceptions.

Well they could always send them to pot rehab.

oh wait...

there's no such thing.

Why's that? Maybe because - there's no need for it.

[GrumpyOldMan]

"A simple reality check is that pot can cause you to go to jail."


Umm, I think that is the whole premise of this thread. The real question is, should people go to jail for using or possession of pot? I'm in the camp that thinks we need to sharply increase the consequences of a DUI, any DUI, including even prescribed drugs that warn of impairment, pot (if it can be proved that they're actually "under the influence" and not just in the system from a few days ago), painkillers, etc., whereby the first conviction is $5,000 and a mandatory 3 months in jail. No passing go, no community service and no exceptions.

I will go a step further, if I person causes an accident while intoxicated (any substance) that results in a death, the very least charge would be 2nd-degree murder. Personally, I think they knowingly got drunk and then drive, so I would not oppose 1st-degree murder.

There need to be consequences for bad decisions leading to bad results.

[Topspinmo]

Fantasy drugs? What are you talking about??

You see "the many forms of cocaine be(ing) decriminalized"? What are these "many forms" you are referring to?

There's no denying that those that can afford good legal representation get lighter sentences than those that cannot, and that historically, people of color who were charged with the possession (most often) for the "crack" form of cocaine, received much harsher / lengthier prison sentences than white / caucasian defendants who most often were charged with possession of "powder" cocaine.

Yes, let’s make it racial. Druggies have no racial boundaries.

Like I said money talks and poor goes to jail.


Coming in the near future.

[Topspinmo]

Well they could always send them to pot rehab.

oh wait...

there's no such thing.

Why's that? Maybe because - there's no need for it.

Funny thing about pot heads, they say it not addictive and I can quit anytime. But, they never do. Also any smoke inhaling into lungs may not be good in the golden years.

[Topspinmo]

Hmm, sorry but I disagree, most of those are not facts.

Hmm.


It is a mind-altering drug - uh, yes, which is the point of pointing out that there are many mind-altering drugs that are legal, and so, people question what is MJ illegal if those other drugs are legal.

It is NOT to justify the usage, it is to show the hypocrisy of sucking down a couple of Manhattans and killing a family out riding in their golf cart by drunk driving home. But then being totally against someone smoking a joint in their own house and pigging out on pizza.

It is not a gateway drug, it has been shown that those that move on to hard drugs, started on MJ because it was easier to obtain and it introduced them to the shady pusher who gets them hooked on the hard stuff. Those that do progress to hard drugs almost always have other issues that lead to it.

You could just as easily say that Aspirin is a gateway drug, that leads to prescription opioids.

Effects on the brain - again, the hypocrisy here is the problem. We are okay with thousands of deaths and brain damage from Alcohol, but MJ has to be illegal even though there are no deaths from MJ overdose and the brain damage is significantly less than that caused by the beers and vodka the kids are drinking.

Yes, it IS against the law, which is the point of this thread, we are discussing why and if it should be legalized. Saying it is against the law is a reason to not legalize it is kind of "interesting".

'It can and does impact family relationships " - hmm, even hear of mean drunks? Ever hear - I am sorry darling, I only slept with them because I was drunk.

That is enough - you get the idea.

Seriously, if you look over your list of negatives, it is a testimony to making alcohol illegal, since in every item you list, alcohol is worse, and yet still legal.

Are you in favor of the prohibition of Alcohol? If not, why not?

They tried that. How did that work out? Only the weak needs the crutch of alcohol and drugs that get person high cause they can’t deal with reality.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Funny thing about pot heads, they say it not addictive and I can quit anytime. But, they never do. Also any smoke inhaling into lungs may not be good in the golden years.

The funny thing about potheads is when they can't get their pot they DONT go into withdrawal, like alcoholics, heroin, and opiate addicts.

The funny thing about people who drink alcohol, they say they can quit any time, but they never do.

Smoking pot is only one way people use it, there are many more, like edibles, tinctures, topicals.

And yet, pot is classified as a Schedule 1 Controlled substance act. And alcohol and addictive substance that will kill you if you over dose is legally available to anyone who wants it.

[GrumpyOldMan]

They tried that. How did that work out? Only the weak needs the crutch of alcohol and drugs that get person high cause they can’t deal with reality.

Only the weak?

So, anything someone that is weak wants should be illegal?

[Topspinmo]

The funny thing about potheads is when they can't get their pot they DONT go into withdrawal, like alcoholics, heroin, and opiate addicts.

The funny thing about people who drink alcohol, they say they can quit any time, but they never do.

Smoking pot is only one way people use it, there are many more, like edibles, tinctures, topicals.

And yet, pot is classified as a Schedule 1 Controlled substance act. And alcohol and addictive substance that will kill you if you over dose is legally available to anyone who wants it.

You can over dose on water 💧. It don’t make difference if you crave it you’re going to have it no matter what the cost or the law says. IMO they need to legalize all of it. That way no need for the illegal underground.

[Topspinmo]

Only the weak?

So, anything someone that is weak wants should be illegal?

No, only the weak that can’t get day of reality.

[roob1]

So, difficultly adjusting to what life deals you is a result of being "weak"? That contention comes from the same school of thought that we should be ashamed of mental illness, because it is a weakness. A little archaic?

And are all the who are prescribed antidepressants, antipsychotics, and anxiolytics by their docs weak? Or maybe if they don't get "high" from their prescriptions, that is acceptable.....


They tried that. How did that work out? Only the weak needs the crutch of alcohol and drugs that get person high cause they can’t deal with reality.

[PennBF]

A real and much more appropriate question is, "should people go to jail for stimulating young people to use pot which in long terms affects the brain for the young under the age of 20 in a very harming fashion". Of course they should! I believe these are very real criminals as they are taking away the future of these youths and affecting them for the rest of their lives. Is there any greater harm than that #$%^&? Your sleeping better because you have numbed your mind, and lost reality. You have also used money that could have helped the children or grand children towards a better education or life experience so you can drug yourself from facing the world of reality. Whether you are poor or wealthy you are the bottom feeders of building a better world. Just a little bit drugged is drugged regardless the spin you try to put on it. Maybe ask your self why you are not sleeping well and attack the cause rather than promoting drugging. I would challenge those that blindly ignore the impacts of pot on the youth to go to the internet and study and read the terrible impacts it has on the youth in the age group to 25 and
then come back and give the effects it has on a youths life. Go ahead do some work and spend time educating yourself rather than dulling your senses for the sake of a high.:ohdear:

[roob1]

If you think pot causes one to lose touch with reality, you are still being influenced by the Anslinger campaign, and the "Reefer Madness" movie....my word!! For someone to lose touch with reality after using cannabis, they would likely need to be suffering from a psychotic process....extremely small percentage of users.

If you want to see someone who has lost touch with reality, talk with or observe one who is suffering from an active psychosis.


Your sleeping better because you have numbed your mind, and lost reality.

[Freehiker]

Alcohol causes way more issues than marijuana.

[JMintzer]

Fantasy drugs? What are you talking about??

You see "the many forms of cocaine be(ing) decriminalized"? What are these "many forms" you are referring to?

There's no denying that those that can afford good legal representation get lighter sentences than those that cannot, and that historically, people of color who were charged with the possession (most often) for the "crack" form of cocaine, received much harsher / lengthier prison sentences than white / caucasian defendants who most often were charged with possession of "powder" cocaine.

And who was it that lobbied for those harsher penalties for crack?

Black Leaders Once Championed the Strict Drug Laws They Now Seek to Dismantle | WNYC | New York Public Radio, Podcasts, Live Streaming Radio, News (https://www.wnyc.org/story/312823-black-leaders-once-championed-strict-drug-laws-they-now-seek-dismantle/)

[JMintzer]

They tried that. How did that work out? Only the weak needs the crutch of alcohol and drugs that get person high cause they can’t deal with reality.

Wow... :ohdear:

[Slowhand]

Really you must have never gotten high...lmao..the only public nuisance would be a drunk!!.
A person who smokes a joint wouldn't be acting stupid like most drunks do..
For one thing a stoned person does not cause any problems at all. They would never drive to fast if anything they would drive to slow and they would never hurt anyone they are relaxed and ease going people most of the time.
I have been getting high now for over 44 years and used it for my pain management and I do not drink at all. So if you never tried it DO NOT Knock it aleast have an open mind for those of Us who need it and use it for Pain Management.
If I would have done what the Medical Profession wanted me to do I would be taking a hand full of opioids and Muscle relaxer and dying of stomach cancer or some other side effects and hooked on oxycodone. My Pain Management Doctor now give me all three... So along with medical Marijuana and my oxycodone and morphine and muscle relaxer I can go out and act like a teenager even with replacement knee's and a back fusion and a neck fusion... Lol... So roll a joint and enjoy Life...because you only go around Once in Life and this Isn't a Dress Rehearsal...



I'm a live and let live kind of guy. Don't much care what one does in the privacy of their own home. As long as they don't get high and drive or become an otherwise public nuisance, I'm fine with it.

[RICH1]

I forgot what I was going to say

[GrumpyOldMan]

You can over dose on water 💧. It don’t make difference if you crave it you’re going to have it no matter what the cost or the law says. IMO they need to legalize all of it. That way no need for the illegal underground.

Deflection, overdosing on water is possible but very hard.

I know a lot of people that are long-term users and none of them CRAVE MJ, any more than some people crave donuts and others that morning cup of coffee (all of which - sugar and caffeine) have been shown to be addictive also.

[Slowhand]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?

Yes I do
I have been using it for over 44 years since the Army removed all of the cartridge from both of my knee's when I was 21 and told me at age 28 that I needed both knee replaced but I have to wait another 30 years.... So Marijuana saved My life and Kept me from being a Heroin junkie or Dead....
So to ALL of you Narrow Minded People Can Kiss My Butt where sometimes the sun does shine on....LMFAO...
SMOKE A JOINT AND LIVE LIFE !!..

[JMintzer]

I forgot what I was going to say

https://www.clevescene.com/images/blogimages/2009/04/30/1241096933-stoned.jpg

[Byte1]

No, do not legalize it, period!

Consider this:
For the past decade or two, there has been all kinds of bans on smoking tobacco in public and even in BARS. And yet, now folks want to legalize smoking MJ.
Smoking tobacco causes cancer. So does smoking MJ.
Smoking tobacco smells like crap. MJ much more so.
Need MJ for medicine? Get it without the THC and you won't get high but still get the pain reliever.
Quit comparing it with alcohol. That is an unreasonable rationalization and attempt to justify another wrong. And your momma told you that two wrongs do not make a right.
DUI/DWI when using MJ is hard to prosecute because the test is time consuming and costly. Alcohol tests are not.
MJ slows down brain function. That's not only dangerous to you but to others.

I agree with the poster that said the use of MJ is for the weak. However, CBD can be used as a pain killer without the mind bending affects.

Nope, I would not legalize it. If you want to compare it with alcohol, then outlaw alcohol also for all I care.
Taxing and enforcing these things is just a cop out.

[Ben Franklin]

No, do not legalize it, period!

Consider this:
For the past decade or two, there has been all kinds of bans on smoking tobacco in public and even in BARS. And yet, now folks want to legalize smoking MJ.
Smoking tobacco causes cancer. So does smoking MJ.
Smoking tobacco smells like crap. MJ much more so.
Need MJ for medicine? Get it without the THC and you won't get high but still get the pain reliever.
Quit comparing it with alcohol. That is an unreasonable rationalization and attempt to justify another wrong. And your momma told you that two wrongs do not make a right.
DUI/DWI when using MJ is hard to prosecute because the test is time consuming and costly. Alcohol tests are not.
MJ slows down brain function. That's not only dangerous to you but to others.

I agree with the poster that said the use of MJ is for the weak. However, CBD can be used as a pain killer without the mind bending affects.

Nope, I would not legalize it. If you want to compare it with alcohol, then outlaw alcohol also for all I care.
Taxing and enforcing these things is just a cop out.

Anti-freedom much? Maybe we should ban those who don't believe one is free to choose their own type of relaxant. I hope you don't drink coffee because coffee is a brain simulant. There is nothing worse than the smell of stale coffee.

We did ban alcohol once, and it created domestic alcohol cartels. Remember Al Capone? They also banned marijuana at the same time and look at all the foreign cartels we created while our dollars escaped to foreign countries and our hard earned tax dollars wasted on a useless war on drugs. How much has that costs us?

You said, "Quit comparing it with alcohol. That is an unreasonable rationalization and attempt to justify another wrong." No, it's not. Alcohol is much more dangerous than marijuana. And tobacco is much more dangerous. As long as marijuana or alcohol is banned, people will still get it. Is it not better to keep money within a community, than to see it sent somewhere else?

And your comment about people who use marijuana being weak is a weak opinion, not based on anything but your own belief system.

Israel Scientific Study: Cannabis Safe and Effective for Regular Use in the Elderly; Can Decrease the Use of Other Prescription Medicines, Including Opioids (https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/israel-scientific-study-cannabis-safe-and-effective-for-regular-use-in-the-elderly-can-decrease-the-use-of-other-prescription-medicines-including-opioids-300600996.html)

[Byte1]

Anti-freedom much? Maybe we should ban those who don't believe one is free to choose their own type of relaxant. I hope you don't drink coffee because coffee is a brain simulant. There is nothing worse than the smell of stale coffee.

We did ban alcohol once, and it created domestic alcohol cartels. Remember Al Capone? They also banned marijuana at the same time and look at all the foreign cartels we created while our dollars escaped to foreign countries and our hard earned tax dollars wasted on a useless war on drugs. How much has that costs us?

You said, "Quit comparing it with alcohol. That is an unreasonable rationalization and attempt to justify another wrong." No, it's not. Alcohol is much more dangerous than marijuana. And tobacco is much more dangerous. As long as marijuana or alcohol is banned, people will still get it. Is it not better to keep money within a community, than to see it sent somewhere else?

And your comment about people who use marijuana being weak is a weak opinion, not based on anything but your own belief system.

Israel Scientific Study: Cannabis Safe and Effective for Regular Use in the Elderly; Can Decrease the Use of Other Prescription Medicines, Including Opioids (https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/israel-scientific-study-cannabis-safe-and-effective-for-regular-use-in-the-elderly-can-decrease-the-use-of-other-prescription-medicines-including-opioids-300600996.html)

What "freedom" would be hindered? Are you suggesting that ANY law or rule is restricting your freedom?
I don't believe that MJ users should be incarcerated, BUT a fine would be OK with me. A DUI charge is very hard to convict related to being hindered by MJ.
I do not care if MJ is safe or not. It is NOT safe when it hinders brain function, ie slows ones reaction time and thought process. Like I said, do not compare it with the legalizing of alcohol. They legalized alcohol because they could not enforce the laws restricting it and because they figured a way of taxing it to make gov revenues. That does not make alcohol less dangerous.
MJ also inhibits motivation.
Like I said before, MJ can be used for medical purposes without the THC. I have used CBD which is legal.
There is no reason to make MJ legal for recreational purposes. If folks need to relax, and they need an artificial means, then they should consult their physician.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Anti-freedom much? Maybe we should ban those who don't believe one is free to choose their own type of relaxant. I hope you don't drink coffee because coffee is a brain simulant. There is nothing worse than the smell of stale coffee.

We did ban alcohol once, and it created domestic alcohol cartels. Remember Al Capone? They also banned marijuana at the same time and look at all the foreign cartels we created while our dollars escaped to foreign countries and our hard earned tax dollars wasted on a useless war on drugs. How much has that costs us?

You said, "Quit comparing it with alcohol. That is an unreasonable rationalization and attempt to justify another wrong." No, it's not. Alcohol is much more dangerous than marijuana. And tobacco is much more dangerous. As long as marijuana or alcohol is banned, people will still get it. Is it not better to keep money within a community, than to see it sent somewhere else?

And your comment about people who use marijuana being weak is a weak opinion, not based on anything but your own belief system.

Israel Scientific Study: Cannabis Safe and Effective for Regular Use in the Elderly; Can Decrease the Use of Other Prescription Medicines, Including Opioids (https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/israel-scientific-study-cannabis-safe-and-effective-for-regular-use-in-the-elderly-can-decrease-the-use-of-other-prescription-medicines-including-opioids-300600996.html)

In addition, if the argument is "smoking is bad for you," remember you don't need to SMOKE cannabis. You can get it in a tincture, gummies, you can bake it in brownies, you can even put it in a blender with other vegetation and make a smoothie with it. And of course there are capsules, gel-tabs, and tablets with THC. No need to smoke it at all, if you're looking for the high, or the pain relief or nausea relief you get from THC (that you don't get with CBD).

Also just a reminder for anyone who cares:

The THC people are railing against, that is illegal FEDERALLY but LEGAL in several states recreationally and most states medically - is Delta-9 THC.

Its younger sister, Delta-8 THC, is also a natural chemical component of cannabis. It, too, will get you high though you'd need more of it to get the same high you get from big sister. And - Delta-8 THC is LEGAL for recreational use in all 50 states, including Florida, and is for sale at your local hemp shop. It's blocked from sale in several states, but is not illegal to use. It is also currently unregulated on a federal level.

[Dana1963]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?
There isn’t as much of a problem as this recent statute “ On Thursday, May 13, Florida's Gov. Ron DeSantis signed Senate Bill 148 into law which permanently allows restaurants to sell alcoholic beverages for to-go and delivery — with some caveats. ... Drinks sold to-go cannot be larger than 32 ounces, cannot be factory sealed, and delivery orders of alcohol must come with food.”

[Topspinmo]

There isn’t as much of a problem as this recent statute “ On Thursday, May 13, Florida's Gov. Ron DeSantis signed Senate Bill 148 into law which permanently allows restaurants to sell alcoholic beverages for to-go and delivery — with some caveats. ... Drinks sold to-go cannot be larger than 32 ounces, cannot be factory sealed, and delivery orders of alcohol must come with food.”

O good I can order 30 Oz of fireball with my Italian and don’t have to worry about open container law.

[Fredman]

It is a gateway drug and should not be legal.

[PennBF]

Have you noticed that not one of these Pot Heads mentioned the children and the impact on their brain and general mental health. That's because they don't care about the youths they only care about their selfish wants. They are a good representation of the fall in the US IQ. The average decrease in an individual's IQ who uses pot is about 5.8%. Now think of the youth's who are growing up who are using. The mental and physical impact to the kids is huge BUT these pot heads who continue to explain how good it makes them feel are the bottom feeders of society. The ones who lie to the Dr. to gain legal access to the drug are making a mockery of the patients who actually need the drug because of their disease. The next time someone brags how they use the drug don't smile like your approving of their behavior but rather walk away. :ohdear:

[Kahuna32162]

Well GG, you really stirred up the hornets nest with this one!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Have you noticed that not one of these Pot Heads mentioned the children and the impact on their brain and general mental health. That's because they don't care about the youths they only care about their selfish wants. They are a good representation of the fall in the US IQ. The average decrease in an individual's IQ who uses pot is about 5.8%. Now think of the youth's who are growing up who are using. The mental and physical impact to the kids is huge BUT these pot heads who continue to explain how good it makes them feel are the bottom feeders of society. The ones who lie to the Dr. to gain legal access to the drug are making a mockery of the patients who actually need the drug because of their disease. The next time someone brags how they use the drug don't smile like your approving of their behavior but rather walk away. :ohdear:

1. I'm not a pothead.
2. I don't use THC at all, in any capacity, any delivery system. It has no place in my life.
3. I gave my CBD cream to my mom for her knee aches. I use prescription-strength Voltaren now, it's cheaper and seems to be more effective.
4. I am, and have always been, PRO-CHOICE. Pro choice on who someone can love and marry, pro-choice on what a woman can do with her own body, pro-choice on whether someone should or should not join the armed services, pro-choice on whether someone should or should not vaccinate, pro-choice on whether a business should or should not allow unvaccinated people through their doors, and pro-choice on the use of cannabis. With one caveat: The choice is for ADULTS. Not children. Parents need to be responsible for their children.

If a child is suffering from the ravages of chemo and radiation to treat cancer, then a parent SHOULD ABSOLUTELY consider providing THC to their child. It's a no-brainer.

A child should not be using ANY substances for recreational use. Not cannabis, not alcohol, mushrooms, peyote, kratom, oxycodone, LSD, or anything else. Things that are legal, and things that are not legal. None of them should be used recreationally by children. But that would change your narrative. You want to vilify one substance because kids can get their hands on it. But you want to dismiss all OTHER things kids already get their hands on, some of which are actually legal or unregulated, because they don't fit your narrative.

[Normal]

What a waste of law enforcement resources.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Have you noticed that not one of these Pot Heads mentioned the children and the impact on their brain and general mental health. That's because they don't care about the youths they only care about their selfish wants. They are a good representation of the fall in the US IQ. The average decrease in an individual's IQ who uses pot is about 5.8%. Now think of the youth's who are growing up who are using. The mental and physical impact to the kids is huge BUT these pot heads who continue to explain how good it makes them feel are the bottom feeders of society. The ones who lie to the Dr. to gain legal access to the drug are making a mockery of the patients who actually need the drug because of their disease. The next time someone brags how they use the drug don't smile like your approving of their behavior but rather walk away. :ohdear:

Wow, just wow.

You got it ALL in one post.

Name-calling doesn't do anything except make you look bad.

The decline in IQ is about 6 to 8 points in individuals who start in adolescence and use heavily their entire lives. This is NOT the norm, this is not average. And guess what, the drop in IQ for heavy alcohol users is 7.8 points.

Alcohol will KILL children, their bodies can not metabolize it. MJ doesn't.

Based on your rant, I assume you will also vote to make alcohol illegal, if not, isn't that a bit hypocritical?

PLEASE. Show us any post where anyone suggested letting children have free access to any intoxicating substance, including MJ? We will wait.

[GrumpyOldMan]

1. I'm not a pothead.
2. I don't use THC at all, in any capacity, any delivery system. It has no place in my life.
3. I gave my CBD cream to my mom for her knee aches. I use prescription-strength Voltaren now, it's cheaper and seems to be more effective.
4. I am, and have always been, PRO-CHOICE. Pro choice on who someone can love and marry, pro-choice on what a woman can do with her own body, pro-choice on whether someone should or should not join the armed services, pro-choice on whether someone should or should not vaccinate, pro-choice on whether a business should or should not allow unvaccinated people through their doors, and pro-choice on the use of cannabis. With one caveat: The choice is for ADULTS. Not children. Parents need to be responsible for their children.

If a child is suffering from the ravages of chemo and radiation to treat cancer, then a parent SHOULD ABSOLUTELY consider providing THC to their child. It's a no-brainer.

A child should not be using ANY substances for recreational use. Not cannabis, not alcohol, mushrooms, peyote, kratom, oxycodone, LSD, or anything else. Things that are legal, and things that are not legal. None of them should be used recreationally by children. But that would change your narrative. You want to vilify one substance because kids can get their hands on it. But you want to dismiss all OTHER things kids already get their hands on, some of which are actually legal or unregulated, because they don't fit the neat little propaganda box you've chosen to hide yourself into. Probably while sipping your beer.

Thank you, a much better response than mine.

[PennBF]

So what we have here is the IQ drops more for Alcohol than pot? Now there is a good statement justifying pot? Then we have pro-choice. Of course a youngster does not have a pro choice consideration, it is see what my dad does so I guess I can? Lets go to the next intelligent contribution because MJ does not metabolize like alcohol then it is better to use. Of course no mention of other forms of death then metabolizing? And the famous lets compare pot to alcohol. Every Counselor in the world hears this when someone wants to justify the youth using pot rather than alcohol and trying to make it appear that pot is not an addictive drug? Then there is using labels like a "rant" against pot? That is a label and indicates the author can't think of better personal attacks andthan sticking to the point? The ironic part of this is again using the old and worn argument that pot is better than alcohol. Kind of indicates a need for a more creative mind.? Very experienced Addiction expert with over 30 years of experience in the field
once said to me to don't bother with trying to change the mind of the addicts. They want to use or they would get out of the addiction. These are some prime examples why I
am wasting time. The children suffer from the ignorance of the impact of drugs on their mental and physical conditions. Lets never stop trying to improve our society and the ones who will be the next generation.!!:ho:

[GrumpyOldMan]

So what we have here is the IQ drops more for Alcohol than pot? Now there is a good statement justifying pot? Then we have pro-choice. Of course a youngster does not have a pro choice consideration, it is see what my dad does so I guess I can? Lets go to the next intelligent contribution because MJ does not metabolize like alcohol then it is better to use. Of course no mention of other forms of death then metabolizing? And the famous lets compare pot to alcohol. Every Counselor in the world hears this when someone wants to justify the youth using pot rather than alcohol and trying to make it appear that pot is not an addictive drug? Then there is using labels like a "rant" against pot? That is a label and indicates the author can't think of better personal attacks andthan sticking to the point? The ironic part of this is again using the old and worn argument that pot is better than alcohol. Kind of indicates a need for a more creative mind.? Very experienced Addiction expert with over 30 years of experience in the field
once said to me to don't bother with trying to change the mind of the addicts. They want to use or they would get out of the addiction. These are some prime examples why I
am wasting time. The children suffer from the ignorance of the impact of drugs on their mental and physical conditions. Lets never stop trying to improve our society and the ones who will be the next generation.!!:ho:

You misinterpreted almost every comment.

The comparison to alcohol is purely to question the hypocrisy of allowing alcohol to be legal while keeping a less dangerous substance on the schedule 1 list.

So, I can assume you are in favor of the prohibition of all mind-altering drugs and do not use any mind-altering substances.

[DaddyD]

So what we have here is the IQ drops more for Alcohol than pot? Now there is a good statement justifying pot? Then we have pro-choice. Of course a youngster does not have a pro choice consideration, it is see what my dad does so I guess I can? Lets go to the next intelligent contribution because MJ does not metabolize like alcohol then it is better to use. Of course no mention of other forms of death then metabolizing? And the famous lets compare pot to alcohol. Every Counselor in the world hears this when someone wants to justify the youth using pot rather than alcohol and trying to make it appear that pot is not an addictive drug? Then there is using labels like a "rant" against pot? That is a label and indicates the author can't think of better personal attacks andthan sticking to the point? The ironic part of this is again using the old and worn argument that pot is better than alcohol. Kind of indicates a need for a more creative mind.? Very experienced Addiction expert with over 30 years of experience in the field
once said to me to don't bother with trying to change the mind of the addicts. They want to use or they would get out of the addiction. These are some prime examples why I
am wasting time. The children suffer from the ignorance of the impact of drugs on their mental and physical conditions. Lets never stop trying to improve our society and the ones who will be the next generation.!!:ho:

PennBF: Are you drunk or high or on some mind-altering substance when you write these nearly unintelligible rants?

[PennBF]

I don't drink , I don't smoke, including pot or any other mind altering drug. I have no use for anyone who abuses our children in any way. On a professional basis I am very familiar of the mental and physical impacts pot or other mind altering drugs have on society. I have
no patients for those that care little about our youth and their futures. I can take all of the slings and arrows thrown at me on this site as I recognize those who really care will do their research and help others. I don't go to the lengths of preaching on the subject of child abuse but where I see it taking place or being ignored I will speak up. Some have been abused as children and have turned to drugs to soften the effects of the abuse. Maybe they should "man up" and try to ensure it is not carried on into the future. :ohdear:

[Ben Franklin]

You misinterpreted almost every comment.

The comparison to alcohol is purely to question the hypocrisy of allowing alcohol to be legal while keeping a less dangerous substance on the schedule 1 list.

So, I can assume you are in favor of the prohibition of all mind-altering drugs and do not use any mind-altering substances.

Thanks for saving me the time to respond. Although coffee isn't classified as a drug, it does alter the mind too.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Thanks for saving me the time to respond. Although coffee isn't classified as a drug, it does alter the mind too.

And it is addictive and some low-life long-term users of coffee-heads go through painful withdrawal. (tongue in cheek)

[Byte1]

And it is addictive and some low-life long-term users of coffee-heads go through painful withdrawal. (tongue in cheek)

You are sooo right! I have two cups of coffee every morning, if possible. If I only have one, I usually want another one. I must be addicted. REALLY?????????

[Byte1]

PennBF: Are you drunk or high or on some mind-altering substance when you write these nearly unintelligible rants?

Let me know if you have problems understanding what was written. I had no problem understanding what was written and also agree with that poster.
And come on folks, there is no need to attack a poster that you do not agree with.

[GrumpyOldMan]

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[Byte1]

Is everything in your world black and white? In my world, there are shades of grey and even color.

Oh wait! Was I supposed to insert a (tongue in cheek) in my comment?

[Byte1]

Thanks for saving me the time to respond. Although coffee isn't classified as a drug, it does alter the mind too.

Does coffee make you slow and unmotivated? Can you get high on coffee? It does seem to sharpen my perception in the morning after consumption, so you might be right about it "altering the mind." Maybe chocolate should be put in the category of coffee addiction also, since it also has that drug called caffeine.

Kind of off the subject related to legalizing MJ, huh?

[Ben Franklin]

I don't drink , I don't smoke, including pot or any other mind altering drug. I have no use for anyone who abuses our children in any way. On a professional basis I am very familiar of the mental and physical impacts pot or other mind altering drugs have on society. I have
no patients for those that care little about our youth and their futures. I can take all of the slings and arrows thrown at me on this site as I recognize those who really care will do their research and help others. I don't go to the lengths of preaching on the subject of child abuse but where I see it taking place or being ignored I will speak up. Some have been abused as children and have turned to drugs to soften the effects of the abuse. Maybe they should "man up" and try to ensure it is not carried on into the future. :ohdear:

Glad you're doing what YOU need to do, however, I fail to see how legalizing marijuana is abusing children. I would put that blame on how the children are raised. Legal or not, children will be able to get drugs. And why should adults be penalized because something isn't good for children? Heck, we'd have to ban a lot of products.

We do have a free society. Heck, we couldn't even get adults to wear face mask during a pandemic, or even get vaccinated. What about the children living with those anti-societal people?

[Ben Franklin]

Does coffee make you slow and unmotivated? Can you get high on coffee? It does seem to sharpen my perception in the morning after consumption, so you might be right about it "altering the mind." Maybe chocolate should be put in the category of coffee addiction also, since it also has that drug called caffeine.

Kind of off the subject related to legalizing MJ, huh?

If you followed the conversation, we were talking about addictions and mind altering substances. Coffee does alter the brain and it is addictive. I'm sure if I researched it I would find accidents that involved people who are too hopped up on caffeine. But I was being silly.

If you knew a little about marijuana, then you would know that one type makes you chill, and un-motivates some people. This is known as Indica, better known as In Da Couch, because it relaxes a person and heightens the senses for music. This is best used at night, after dinner or an hour before bed. The other type is Sativa, which, for me, makes me more aware, not less motivated. Some will tell you that's not true, but one has to try it, before they can make that assumption. Medically, in terms of particular ailments, Sativa strains tend to be better for psychological disorders, like depression, PTSD, and anxiety. Indicas are often the best for pain and inflammation.

[JMintzer]

Does coffee make you slow and unmotivated? Can you get high on coffee? It does seem to sharpen my perception in the morning after consumption, so you might be right about it "altering the mind." Maybe chocolate should be put in the category of coffee addiction also, since it also has that drug called caffeine.

Kind of off the subject related to legalizing MJ, huh?

It gives me that "get up and go" (to the bathroom) feeling... Good to the last drop! :icon_wink:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

And it is addictive and some low-life long-term users of coffee-heads go through painful withdrawal. (tongue in cheek)

If I don't get my morning cup I get a migraine. I learned that caffeine could prevent migraines, AND can trigger them. Cafergot is a prescription version of a cup of coffee, with the addition of ergotamine tartrate. Funny thing about ergot - that's one of the ingredients used in the making of LSD. It's also a fungus that grows on rye seeds.

Not merely legal, but used widely for people who get migraine or cluster headaches, prescribed and covered by insurance.

And yet cannabis is still considered as dangerous as heroin, according to the class schedule, because the DEA STILL hasn't acknowledged that cannabis has any "accepted medical use". Notice I say they haven't acknowledge it. They KNOW it has accepted medical use. It's used medically, in most parts of the world, including the USA. They just haven't acknowledge it officially, so it remains on the schedule 1 list.

[walterray1]

If I don't get my morning cup I get a migraine. I learned that caffeine could prevent migraines, AND can trigger them. Cafergot is a prescription version of a cup of coffee, with the addition of ergotamine tartrate. Funny thing about ergot - that's one of the ingredients used in the making of LSD. It's also a fungus that grows on rye seeds.

Not merely legal, but used widely for people who get migraine or cluster headaches, prescribed and covered by insurance.

And yet cannabis is still considered as dangerous as heroin, according to the class schedule, because the DEA STILL hasn't acknowledged that cannabis has any "accepted medical use". Notice I say they haven't acknowledge it. They KNOW it has accepted medical use. It's used medically, in most parts of the world, including the USA. They just haven't acknowledge it officially, so it remains on the schedule 1 list.

Yes, at the risk of being accused of being the thread police, it may be time. Was a very good thread about Pot has now evolved into the coffee debate.

[Laker14]

It still comes down to the age-old American debate about freedom.

We want our freedom to do what makes us happy, and makes us feel good, but we aren't shy about denying others the freedom to do what makes them happy or feel good.

Cases in point:
I like coffee. Too much of it can make my heart race, and give me an ulcer. I have tried to quit. I get headaches for days, and feel lethargic when I don't drink it. But it's legal.

I like a couple of alcoholic beverages in the evening. Me personally, I don't enjoy it at all if I have it during the day, but in the evenings I really enjoy it. When I deny myself my evening cocktail, after a couple of days I get grouchy. If I drink it at the wrong time, and engage in the wrong activity, I become a danger to others. I know people whose lives have been ruined by excessive drinking. We all have known and loved someone whose life has been ruined by excessive drinking. Period. We all do. But it's legal.

I don't enjoy pot. I did once, back in my college days I loved it. Now, either because I've changed, or the pot has changed, I simply don't enjoy it. Among the things I don't like about it, the day after I feel very lethargic. I don't feel like golfing, or playing pickleball, or doing my PT exercises....But I know people who use it recreationally, and to self-medicate for pain, anxiety, sleep problems, attention deficit issues, and they use it EVERY FREEKIN' DAY, just like I use my coffee and my evening booze. They are fine. They function well. Run businesses, make a lot of money. They are happy. They aren't hurting anyone at all, yet the government, with the blessing of many people who have their own but different ways of getting through their days (despite those ways all having the potential to make them sick, or worse), denies them that particular freedom which helps them function well, be happy and feel good. But it's OK with all of those people because it is not THEIR freedom that is being denied. It's someone else's.

It's really that simple.

[GrumpyOldMan]

It still comes down to the age-old American debate about freedom.

We want our freedom to do what makes us happy, and makes us feel good, but we aren't shy about denying others the freedom to do what makes them happy or feel good.

Cases in point:
I like coffee. Too much of it can make my heart race, and give me an ulcer. I have tried to quit. I get headaches for days, and feel lethargic when I don't drink it. But it's legal.

I like a couple of alcoholic beverages in the evening. Me personally, I don't enjoy it at all if I have it during the day, but in the evenings I really enjoy it. When I deny myself my evening cocktail, after a couple of days I get grouchy. If I drink it at the wrong time, and engage in the wrong activity, I become a danger to others. I know people whose lives have been ruined by excessive drinking. We all have known and loved someone whose life has been ruined by excessive drinking. Period. We all do. But it's legal.

I don't enjoy pot. I did once, back in my college days I loved it. Now, either because I've changed, or the pot has changed, I simply don't enjoy it. Among the things I don't like about it, the day after I feel very lethargic. I don't feel like golfing, or playing pickleball, or doing my PT exercises....But I know people who use it recreationally, and to self-medicate for pain, anxiety, sleep problems, attention deficit issues, and they use it EVERY FREEKIN' DAY, just like I use my coffee and my evening booze. They are fine. They function well. Run businesses, make a lot of money. They are happy. They aren't hurting anyone at all, yet the government, with the blessing of many people who have their own but different ways of getting through their days (despite those ways all having the potential to make them sick, or worse), denies them that particular freedom which helps them function well, be happy and feel good. But it's OK with all of those people because it is not THEIR freedom that is being denied. It's someone else's.

It's really that simple.

Yup

[Ben Franklin]

It still comes down to the age-old American debate about freedom.

We want our freedom to do what makes us happy, and makes us feel good, but we aren't shy about denying others the freedom to do what makes them happy or feel good.

Cases in point:
I like coffee. Too much of it can make my heart race, and give me an ulcer. I have tried to quit. I get headaches for days, and feel lethargic when I don't drink it. But it's legal.

I like a couple of alcoholic beverages in the evening. Me personally, I don't enjoy it at all if I have it during the day, but in the evenings I really enjoy it. When I deny myself my evening cocktail, after a couple of days I get grouchy. If I drink it at the wrong time, and engage in the wrong activity, I become a danger to others. I know people whose lives have been ruined by excessive drinking. We all have known and loved someone whose life has been ruined by excessive drinking. Period. We all do. But it's legal.

I don't enjoy pot. I did once, back in my college days I loved it. Now, either because I've changed, or the pot has changed, I simply don't enjoy it. Among the things I don't like about it, the day after I feel very lethargic. I don't feel like golfing, or playing pickleball, or doing my PT exercises....But I know people who use it recreationally, and to self-medicate for pain, anxiety, sleep problems, attention deficit issues, and they use it EVERY FREEKIN' DAY, just like I use my coffee and my evening booze. They are fine. They function well. Run businesses, make a lot of money. They are happy. They aren't hurting anyone at all, yet the government, with the blessing of many people who have their own but different ways of getting through their days (despite those ways all having the potential to make them sick, or worse), denies them that particular freedom which helps them function well, be happy and feel good. But it's OK with all of those people because it is not THEIR freedom that is being denied. It's someone else's.

It's really that simple.

Bingo!

[Byte1]

MJ has been legalized for medical use. Be honest. Since you all are making excuses about MJ being safe and should be legalized, I suppose you are suggesting it be legal for recreational use. SO, in that case you shouldn't have any problem with Oxycodone being made legal for recreational use. Coffee is NOT MJ and Oxy is NOT MJ, but there have been plenty of studies that prove that MJ does have dangerous or long term side effects. CBD is MJ without the THC, or very little. It has uses and has yet to be deemed dangerous, therefore it is not illegal. THC is illegal and I want to know why you would want it legalized.
Today's MJ is much stronger than the old stuff most of you hippies smoked/still smoke. It really IS a gateway drug from some. This is why I vote NO for legalizing MJ. I don't have much problem with using it for medical purposes, BUT most of it is being used for recreational purposes even though subscribed by doctors.
I use LEGAL CBD oil but I do NOT use MJ in any other form. I use the stuff without THC.
And for those that insist on comparing MJ with alcohol, I would have no problem if they banned liquor in any form for anything other than some form of medical purpose. Tell me where alcohol has done any good. If you insist that you need something to "relax" you, then try exercise. Exercise works wonders for stress.

[GrumpyOldMan]

MJ has been legalized for medical use. Be honest. Since you all are making excuses about MJ being safe and should be legalized, I suppose you are suggesting it be legal for recreational use. SO, in that case you shouldn't have any problem with Oxycodone being made legal for recreational use. Coffee is NOT MJ and Oxy is NOT MJ, but there have been plenty of studies that prove that MJ does have dangerous or long term side effects. CBD is MJ without the THC, or very little. It has uses and has yet to be deemed dangerous, therefore it is not illegal. THC is illegal and I want to know why you would want it legalized.
Today's MJ is much stronger than the old stuff most of you hippies smoked/still smoke. It really IS a gateway drug from some. This is why I vote NO for legalizing MJ. I don't have much problem with using it for medical purposes, BUT most of it is being used for recreational purposes even though subscribed by doctors.
I use LEGAL CBD oil but I do NOT use MJ in any other form. I use the stuff without THC.
And for those that insist on comparing MJ with alcohol, I would have no problem if they banned liquor in any form for anything other than some form of medical purpose. Tell me where alcohol has done any good. If you insist that you need something to "relax" you, then try exercise. Exercise works wonders for stress.

Hmm, well, I agree with most of what you said here. What I don't understand is why you feel you should deny someone else what they want to use to "relax" or get "stoned" or any other reason someone may want to use something.

I certainly understand making it illegal to drive while intoxicated or do any other activity that might put others' lives in danger. I completely agree with regulating access to it for minors.

And yes, I am in favor of making all drugs legal for recreational use. Just like I am in favor of many things for recreational purposes that I personally would never use or do.

Making something legal does not mean it is not regulated. Just like making something regulated does not make it illegal.

[Byte1]

Hmm, well, I agree with most of what you said here. What I don't understand is why you feel you should deny someone else what they want to use to "relax" or get "stoned" or any other reason someone may want to use something.

I certainly understand making it illegal to drive while intoxicated or do any other activity that might put others' lives in danger. I completely agree with regulating access to it for minors.

And yes, I am in favor of making all drugs legal for recreational use. Just like I am in favor of many things for recreational purposes that I personally would never use or do.

Making something legal does not mean it is not regulated. Just like making something regulated does not make it illegal.

The same reason many on here insist that the gov mandate vaccinations.
If "making something regulated does not make it illegal" then MJ is not illegal, right? Because MJ is regulated ---- for medical purposes.

Like I said before, if you need artificial means to "relax" then it should be regulated by a doctor. There are natural ways to "relax" without the possibility of endangering yourself or others.

I've stated my opinion and none of the resulting posts have convinced me of the value of legalizing MJ for recreational purposes. But, I have also said that I do not believe that incarceration is warranted for merely using MJ. A fine could be a deterrent for most decent citizens.

Another thought. Making MJ legal for recreational use would also end up with many folks going to work under the influence. Do you really want someone from DMV, IRS, the fire dept, construction, Uber, bus driver, etc. serving you? Be honest.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Another thought. Making MJ legal for recreational use would also end up with many folks going to work under the influence. Do you really want someone from DMV, IRS, the fire dept, construction, Uber, bus driver, etc. serving you? Be honest.

1. how do you know they aren't already?
2. impaired driving, impaired operation of mechanical things, impaired work, impaired anything, is already covered by OSHA and at the workplace. If a substance is impairing their ability to perform their tasks as described, then it doesn't matter WHAT substance is doing the impairing. It could be cannabis, prescribed painkillers to treat recovery from surgery, alcohol, recreational use of painkillers, an antihistimine to treat allergies, or they took an extra prescribed, necessary prozac by mistake that morning. If it impairs their function, they have to go home. If they're impaired on purpose, they go home, and can't come back. If they're not impaired, how do you know they're not using something?

[TNLAKEPANDA]

I'm a live and let live kind of guy. Don't much care what one does in the privacy of their own home. As long as they don't get high and drive or become an otherwise public nuisance, I'm fine with it.

I very much agree. And it should definitely be decriminalized! Hell they are not even convicting people stealing up $1000 worth of goods from stores and murders and rapists get out of prison in a few years if they are even convicted!

[GrumpyOldMan]

The same reason many on here insist that the gov mandate vaccinations.


Well, no, because vaccinations protect me from you. MJ being illegal protects me from ME.

Big difference.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Another thought. Making MJ legal for recreational use would also end up with many folks going to work under the influence. Do you really want someone from DMV, IRS, the fire dept, construction, Uber, bus driver, etc. serving you? Be honest.

Hmm, and so, that brings us back to alcohol is legal and all those people do go to work drunk. In fact, it is not uncommon for pilots to go to work drunk.

So, laws don't stop that behavior, they only punish people after the fact. So, Back to making MJ illegal would appear to be no worse than alcohol being illegal.

I believe you said you wouldn't mind alcohol being illegal - and I am all with you on that.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Well, no, because vaccinations protect me from you. MJ being illegal protects me from ME.

Big difference.

It only protects you from you if you obey the law. Being vaccinated will protect me from you, even if it's not mandated.

[GrumpyOldMan]

It only protects you from you if you obey the law. Being vaccinated will protect me from you, even if it's not mandated.

Very true, but if mandated (which is what the post I was referring to) said, then it would "force" others to protect me - since I am already vaccinated I don't need to be forced - LOL!

[Laker14]

The same reason many on here insist that the gov mandate vaccinations.
If "making something regulated does not make it illegal" then MJ is not illegal, right? Because MJ is regulated ---- for medical purposes.

Like I said before, if you need artificial means to "relax" then it should be regulated by a doctor. There are natural ways to "relax" without the possibility of endangering yourself or others.

I've stated my opinion and none of the resulting posts have convinced me of the value of legalizing MJ for recreational purposes. But, I have also said that I do not believe that incarceration is warranted for merely using MJ. A fine could be a deterrent for most decent citizens.

Another thought. Making MJ legal for recreational use would also end up with many folks going to work under the influence. Do you really want someone from DMV, IRS, the fire dept, construction, Uber, bus driver, etc. serving you? Be honest.

Why? Why should my method of relaxation, be regulated by anyone? Alcohol? Should my use of that be regulated by a doctor? Booze by Rx only?

Hey, what about artificial methods of stimulation? Should that be regulated? Should I need a doctor visit and Rx for my morning caffeine. Too much caffeine is a bad thing, right? Do I want my vascular surgeon working on me after too much coffee?

[Topspinmo]

Hmm, well, I agree with most of what you said here. What I don't understand is why you feel you should deny someone else what they want to use to "relax" or get "stoned" or any other reason someone may want to use something.

I certainly understand making it illegal to drive while intoxicated or do any other activity that might put others' lives in danger. I completely agree with regulating access to it for minors.

And yes, I am in favor of making all drugs legal for recreational use. Just like I am in favor of many things for recreational purposes that I personally would never use or do.

Making something legal does not mean it is not regulated. Just like making something regulated does not make it illegal.

So tell me how liquor is regulated other than taxing? I can buy as much as I want in liquor store, then go home drink as much as I like and go where I want. How legal regulating MJ be any different other than regulating the tax?

[Topspinmo]

Deflection, overdosing on water is possible but very hard.

I know a lot of people that are long-term users and none of them CRAVE MJ, any more than some people crave donuts and others that morning cup of coffee (all of which - sugar and caffeine) have been shown to be addictive also.

Long time user’s LOL, nope they don’t crave it. LOL

[Laker14]

So tell me how liquor is regulated other than taxing? I can buy as much as I want in liquor store, then go home drink as much as I like and go where I want. How legal regulating MJ be any different other than regulating the tax?

One way liquor is regulated is that you have to be 21 years old to buy it. At least in most states.

[GrumpyOldMan]

So tell me how liquor is regulated other than taxing? I can buy as much as I want in liquor store, then go home drink as much as I like and go where I want. How legal regulating MJ be any different other than regulating the tax?

So tell me, what are you suggesting, because it sounds like you are saying there is no point in having any laws since you can do what you want anyway.

And there is NO doubt that laws typically do not deter criminals. But, laws do tend to deter most people who are not criminals.

And you can get drunk and go where ever you want. True, and if you get caught there are punishments provided. If you are a criminal, then you don't care, if you are not a criminal, then chances are you do care.

[Topspinmo]

It’s only going to be law so government can tax it. Same as probation experiment. Can’t stop it, tax it, that makes it Ok. I don’t care one way or the other but don’t claim people don’t crave it, maybe it not as addictive as liquor or pills, but they still got to have it.

[Topspinmo]

One way liquor is regulated is that you have to be 21 years old to buy it. At least in most states.

Age restrictions on many things, still don’t stop under aged from getting or doing it. Yes, majority are law bidding and responsible.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Age restrictions on many things, still don’t stop under aged from getting or doing it. Yes, majority are law bidding and responsible.

Okay, many drugs are illegal, that still doesn't stop people (including minors) from getting them.

The difference is illegal drugs channel $150 Billion per year into the pockets of criminals, instead of into local businesses, rehabilitation centers, law enforcement, et al.

[Topspinmo]

Okay, many drugs are illegal, that still doesn't stop people (including minors) from getting them.

The difference is illegal drugs channel $150 Billion per year into the pockets of criminals, instead of into local businesses, rehabilitation centers, law enforcement, et al.

Did you miss my post on taxing it? That’s answer to regulating far as government concerned. Don’t say they can make regulations without taxing it. I agree better to may drug cartels here billions than south or border cause druggie’s are NOT going to stop.

[ROCKMUP]

There are several ways to ingest THC and not everyone who uses it does it to get high and party.

Some of us have medical issues and need help ( I broke my C1)
Some of us are allergic to almost all pain meds except opiates and thats not a good choice
Some of us need it to even sleep because of nerve damage
So there are legit uses, I'm just one example of many.

As for taxing it, yeh, that works great but does not get rid of the secondary market at all. The taxes they place on legit markets is so high (no pun intended) that the secondary market is thriving.

Personally I wish they'd legalize everything and let Darwin sort it out.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Did you miss my post on taxing it? That’s answer to regulating far as government concerned. Don’t say they can make regulations without taxing it. I agree better to may drug cartels here billions than south or border cause druggie’s are NOT going to stop.

I completely agree it should be taxed.

[Laker14]

So tell me how liquor is regulated other than taxing? I can buy as much as I want in liquor store, then go home drink as much as I like and go where I want. How legal regulating MJ be any different other than regulating the tax?

One way liquor is regulated is that you have to be 21 years old to buy it. At least in most states.

Age restrictions on many things, still don’t stop under aged from getting or doing it. Yes, majority are law bidding and responsible.

Let's review the conversation. In your first post you how liquor is regulated beyond taxation. My post answers your specific question. Then you deflect to how the regulations don't necessarily stop under aged from getting booze.

I am befuddled here as to what your overall point is. Are you suggesting that the age restriction for alcohol be lifted because it is sometimes successfully thwarted?
I don't believe you believe that.
And whatever the point is that you are making, how does that apply to the legalization (with regulation and taxation) of MJ?

Making it a criminal offense to possess MJ did not stop its widespread use in the 1970s when I was in college. Easing of the draconian measures against possession, but maintaining the criminal prosecution of suppliers also has not stopped the use of MJ.

If people want it, they can get it. Just like alcohol and cigarettes.

[Ben Franklin]

Long time user’s LOL, nope they don’t crave it. LOL

So what vices do you crave? I don't crave marijuana, and I go days without it, as long as I feel no pain. Not everyone who uses marijuana craves it daily, just as everyone who drinks doesn't crave it everyday, although I do know adults who have to have their cocktail hour.

Several summers ago, I spent a month in Colorado. They have an excellent system. The non-medical dispensaries I went to reminded me of speak easy places. You couldn't see in, but they could see out. You had to ring the doorbell, and then someone would open the door and scan your driver's license. Every product was under glass, and a store employee had to get you what you wanted to buy. So, it was well regulated.

I don't like hard liquor, but other people do. I would never call for banning alcohol because a minority of people abuse it. I don't believe in punishing everyone, because some people abuse something.

Oh, and one other thing. Research, real research, which can't be done in the US, has shown marijuana does not cause loss of motivation.

And let's not forget, marijuana is a herb, created by the god you probably worship, unlike everything else, which is man made.

[davem4616]

I smoked a joint with a group of guys twice back in 1971 when I was in the army...it was so good that I knew it had the capability of controlling me....so, I've not had a puff in the past 50 years

am I in favor of legalizing it....I'm not enthused about it

[Laker14]

I smoked a joint with a group of guys twice back in 1971 when I was in the army...it was so good that I knew it had the capability of controlling me....so, I've not had a puff in the past 50 years

am I in favor of legalizing it....I'm not enthused about it

I would say, based upon your singular experience, being "not enthused about it" is appropriate.
If you were to take the position that ,based upon your one experience ,you think that everyone should be denied access to it, I would take issue.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I smoked it for years when I was younger. It made me feel dizzy - and gave me the munchies. Eventually I got tired of it and stopped. It wasn't a big deal to smoke it, and it wasn't a big deal to stop smoking it. I never missed it, I don't miss it now, there wasn't a single moment in my entire life when I thought "Oh my god I need to smoke a joint!"

It didn't make me a bad student either - I had no ambition at all but I had straight As in every English/Grammar/Literature class I've taken since 4th grade and was writing computer programs in my high school math class in1978, before most of the world even considered buying a computer for personal use.

The lack of ambition didn't have anything to do with pot by the way. It was a combination of things: high expectations from the family making me want to rebel, plus undiagnosed hearing loss, plus undiagnosed ADD, plus what *might* be undiagnosed full-functioning autism-spectrum disorder (jury's out on that, and I don't care enough to get tested). General social awkwardness. So I was happier at home reading a book than I was trying to "do something with my life."

[stanley]

And let's not forget, marijuana is a herb, created by the god you probably worship, unlike everything else, which is man made.

Dude...........what?

[jswirs]

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?
Yes, and I always did. Not a whole lot different than alcohol.

[Ben Franklin]

Dude...........what?

Dude, marijuana is an annual, herbaceous plant, which grows naturally. It was originally used in religious ceremonies and in healing. As a natural plant it does not need to be manipulated to become something else, like alcohol, which requires adding ingredients and distilling it.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Dude, marijuana is an annual, herbaceous plant, which grows naturally. It was originally used in religious ceremonies and in healing. As a natural plant it does not need to be manipulated to become something else, like alcohol, which requires adding ingredients and distilling it.

I guess I don't care. Since MJ is less dangerous than alcohol and alcohol is available legally, there appears to be a hypocritical application of the law. Either we should allow people to use intoxicating (mind-altering) drugs or not. One theory is that since it is easy to grow your own, the alcohol industry lobbies heavily to keep it illegal since making your own booze is much harder. I also make mead, and it is very good, but it is also harder, vodka and whiskey are very hard for a homebrewer. It is also an interesting double standard that you can make mead but not Whiskey or Vodka.

Smells like monied interests are involved in the law making process.

[Kahuna32162]

Sorry, what was the question?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Sorry, what was the question?

Do you want another brownie?

[Kahuna32162]

Do you want another brownie?

Yes, please

[GrumpyOldMan]

Yes, please

:coolsmiley:

Me too :)

[walterray1]

Sorry, what was the question?

After all the responses which are all over the map with no conclusion I totally agree. As is suggested a while ago this thread has run its course by now.

[walterray1]

After all the responses which are all over the map with no conclusion I totally agree. As is suggested a while ago this thread has run its course by now.

And don't bogart that joint or brownie as the case may be.

[GrumpyOldMan]

After all the responses which are all over the map with no conclusion I totally agree. As is suggested a while ago this thread has run its course by now.

Hmm, I don't think the point of the thread was to come to a conclusion, Gracie was asking for opinions (and I assume) discussion. I would expect nothing to be concluded on this topic anywhere, and especially here.

But thank you for declaring the topic dead, I wasn't aware we had a monitor.