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Susan1717
07-14-2021, 11:25 PM
Please help me to understand; our Cuban neighbors are fighting communism waving our American flag for freedom and seeking food against starvation and medical assistance from poor neglected health issues. Why are they being denied help and not welcomed to the States but our southern border is open allowing pretty much anyone else in including immigrants that may have Covid, drugs, trafficking children, and history of any crimes. We have so many people stuffed into unhealthy tents at our southern border with horrible conditions and that had been abused by cartel coyotes, plus a threat to the local ranchers. Our coast guards are given strict orders to not allow the people from Cuba asylum into the States. Clearly they are starved and fighting for freedom. Help me to understand the difference?!

GrumpyOldMan
07-14-2021, 11:33 PM
I can not speak to this issue, but I will be following this thread with interest. Being a native Floridian and born and raised in S. Florida I am fairly familiar with the Cuban population already there.

Nucky
07-15-2021, 03:49 AM
My brother in law who came over on the Mariel Boatlift in about 1980 has described the conditions that they were living under at that time. It wasn't good. I don't completely grasp why he would take the chance to go back every few years to see his family because of the risk involved. I guess the attraction to his first family overides the commitment to the life he made here.

Things have changed and he will stop returning because his Mom had passed. He still sends money almost every month to help them out. Life is rough over there.

I'm about the only Gringo he can speak to and it's getting tougher to understand him every time I see him. He has a very scratchy voice and I speak very poor Spanglish. Somehow we have become like brothers over the years. He is so grateful to be an American. The day he was crowned American was the only time I saw him cry. He's worried to death about the brothers and sister he has over there but is hopeful for their freedom.

God help them all.

retiredguy123
07-15-2021, 03:52 AM
Please help me to understand; our Cuban neighbors are fighting communism waving our American flag for freedom and seeking food against starvation and medical assistance from poor neglected health issues. Why are they being denied help and not welcomed to the States but our southern border is open allowing pretty much anyone else in including immigrants that may have Covid, drugs, trafficking children, and history of any crimes. We have so many people stuffed into unhealthy tents at our southern border with horrible conditions and that had been abused by cartel coyotes, plus a threat to the local ranchers. Our coast guards are given strict orders to not allow the people from Cuba asylum into the States. Clearly they are starved and fighting for freedom. Help me to understand the difference?!
There is no difference. Anyone entering the country should do it legally, and the Government should apply the law equally.

Laker14
07-15-2021, 04:21 AM
My brother in law who came over on the Mariel Boatlift in about 1980 has described the conditions that they were living under at that time. It wasn't good. I don't completely grasp why he would take the chance to go back every few years to see his family because of the risk involved. I guess the attraction to his first family overides the commitment to the life he made here.

Things have changed and he will stop returning because his Mom had passed. He still sends money almost every month to help them out. Life is rough over there.

I'm about the only Gringo he can speak to and it's getting tougher to understand him every time I see him. He has a very scratchy voice and I speak very poor Spanglish. Somehow we have become like brothers over the years. He is so grateful to be an American. The day he was crowned American was the only time I saw him cry. He's worried to death about the brothers and sister he has over there but is hopeful for their freedom.

God help them all.

Congratulations on finding a topic to discuss that has more weight than whose dog is pooping in whose yard. Unfortunately, this is unlikely to be a good place for a meaningful discussion. However, if you are really interested in knowing more about this subject, and how Cuba-USA relations evolved over the last 200 years, I recommend doing a Google search for books on US-Cuba history. This one from Amazon is a good one. https://www.amazon.com/Cuba-History-Hugh-Thomas/dp/0141034505/ref=pd_cart_vw_crc_1_1/143-8895262-7266565?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0141034505&pd_rd_r=cbbdc984-6208-40a4-8f4a-9f9dc65284ad&pd_rd_w=1936i&pd_rd_wg=JaGex&pf_rd_p=01004c92-8f40-4f1a-bee8-08cb36dccac2&pf_rd_r=7X9CF9YBXHEC4T65RY1S&psc=1&refRID=7X9CF9YBXHEC4T65RY1S
It is a fascinating story, how we got from Christopher Columbus to Fidel Castro, a mere 90 miles or so from our southern border. You can't really understand it without getting into the politics of Communism vs. Imperialism, and once we do that, this thread will be deleted in a heartbeat.
Good luck in your pursuit of a better understanding.

Laker14
07-15-2021, 04:42 AM
here is a less expensive , but just as expansive, alternative to the book I linked from Amazon.
Same author..
Access to this page has been denied. (https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/cuba-or-the-pursuit-of-freedom_hugh-thomas/411928/?resultid=4e154895-38da-407e-930b-0dc5409ce69a#edition=2353125&idiq=11535169)

no idea why access was denied. the link was supposed to go to "ThriftBooks.com", the author is Hugh Thomas, the title is "Cuba or The Pursuit of Freedom", you can search that site either by author or title. around $14 including shipping. Well over a thousand pages, so you must realize that you'll get a bit more cogent information from that tome than you will from this thread. As evidenced by post #6 above.

egmcaninch
07-15-2021, 04:42 AM
Please help me to understand; our Cuban neighbors are fighting communism waving our American flag for freedom and seeking food against starvation and medical assistance from poor neglected health issues. Why are they being denied help and not welcomed to the States but our southern border is open allowing pretty much anyone else in including immigrants that may have Covid, drugs, trafficking children, and history of any crimes. We have so many people stuffed into unhealthy tents at our southern border with horrible conditions and that had been abused by cartel coyotes, plus a threat to the local ranchers. Our coast guards are given strict orders to not allow the people from Cuba asylum into the States. Clearly they are starved and fighting for freedom. Help me to understand the difference?!

I've been working in Cuba (mission trips) since 2003, and I can tell you they have a great deal of appreciation for our country! If they can get to Florida, they will be welcome by the residents of our state, regardless of what the administration says. I hope many people here speak out/up in defense of the Cubans who love our country & against the repressive regime that hate us.

egmcaninch
07-15-2021, 04:46 AM
There is no difference. Anyone entering the country should do it legally, and the Government should apply the law equally.

Totally different! People trying to escape an obvious system that will kill them/"disappear" them. You need to get a grasp on reality!

Susan1717
07-15-2021, 04:48 AM
Thank you, I just ordered the book.

Susan1717
07-15-2021, 04:51 AM
I think that our Cuban neighbors should be helped and allowed legal entry.

Laker14
07-15-2021, 05:01 AM
I think that our Cuban neighbors should be helped and allowed legal entry.

I don't disagree. Before I was born (I was born in 1953), my family lived in Havana. WE are not Cuban. My dad was working with a cadre of engineers from Proctor & Gamble building a soap factory. They lived there for 6 months or so.
Of course, P&G lost that enterprise with Castro's revolution, but my dad always had something interesting to say about Cuba, and always had a strong affection for Cuba and the people of Cuba.

Before Dad died, through his connections with Cornell University, he was able to make two return trips to Havana. These were both taken over 60 years after he'd lived there. Needless to say the country has not thrived under Castro, but the USA has had a big hand in that, making policies designed to thwart economic progress in that country. There are a lot of political reasons why that is, and most of them I disagree with.
Again, good luck in your pursuit of a better understanding.

You posting this has rekindled an interest in the subject for me, and reminded me that I wanted to some more reading on it. I also ordered this book.

Laker14
07-15-2021, 05:03 AM
Because they traditionally vote Republican.

Great answer! I didn't even know that our Cuban neighbors were granted the right to vote in US elections.

Very informative.

retiredguy123
07-15-2021, 05:11 AM
I think that our Cuban neighbors should be helped and allowed legal entry.
That would be 11.3 million new U.S. residents.

Or, would you be okay if the Cuban Government released all of their prisoners, hospital and mental patients, and others, and shipped them to our country?

BRN_RI_FL
07-15-2021, 05:40 AM
Great answer! I didn't even know that our Cuban neighbors were granted the right to vote in US elections.

Very informative.

If dead people can vote, our Cuban neighbors can vote.

Dana1963
07-15-2021, 06:28 AM
Please help me to understand; our Cuban neighbors are fighting communism waving our American flag for freedom and seeking food against starvation and medical assistance from poor neglected health issues. Why are they being denied help and not welcomed to the States but our southern border is open allowing pretty much anyone else in including immigrants that may have Covid, drugs, trafficking children, and history of any crimes. We have so many people stuffed into unhealthy tents at our southern border with horrible conditions and that had been abused by cartel coyotes, plus a threat to the local ranchers. Our coast guards are given strict orders to not allow the people from Cuba asylum into the States. Clearly they are starved and fighting for freedom. Help me to understand the difference?!
Your describing what’s happening in The Norther Triangle Countries of El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras also.
If you want to know about history of Cuba you must start with Fulgencio Batista it’s not that complicated.

JMintzer
07-15-2021, 06:38 AM
Your describing what’s happening in The Norther Triangle Countries of El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras also.
If you want to know about history of Cuba you must start with Fulgencio Batista it’s not that complicated.

The vast majority of those illegally crossing the Southern border state they are doing so to make $$$...

kenoc7
07-15-2021, 06:52 AM
Because that is what our President wants to do.

You ask Why. I doubt he even knows Why.
"our southern border is open allowing pretty much anyone else in including immigrants that may have Covid, drugs, trafficking children, and history of any crimes?"
NOT TRUE

Bay Kid
07-15-2021, 06:54 AM
It is only a matter of time before we will have to sneak out of our country.

matandch
07-15-2021, 06:57 AM
That would be 11.3 million new U.S. residents.

Or, would you be okay if the Cuban Government released all of their prisoners, hospital and mental patients, and others, and shipped them to our country?

And that’s just what Castro did back in the 70s!

Zenmama18
07-15-2021, 07:00 AM
That would be 11.3 million new U.S. residents.

Or, would you be okay if the Cuban Government released all of their prisoners, hospital and mental patients, and others, and shipped them to our country?

Didn't that happen in 1980?

nn0wheremann
07-15-2021, 07:05 AM
Totally different! People trying to escape an obvious system that will kill them/"disappear" them. You need to get a grasp on reality!
Cuba and Mexico have no issues with trade or travel. Cubans can go to Mexico and cross the border with all the others. No illegal immigrants should be “paroled” awaiting asylum hearings. They should he held, and processed according to law, but then we would be obligated to hire an adequate number of judges to hold the hearings. Must be cheaper to keep the immigrants than to follow the law.

tvbound
07-15-2021, 07:21 AM
Those who think this is somehow a very recent government policy, instead of one that goes back 50+ years, really should educate themselves. Don't get mad when you find out who is the one that removed Cuba from the 'United States State Sponsors of Terrorism' list - and then who reinstated travel and trade restrictions.

butlerism
07-15-2021, 07:22 AM
My heart and prayers go out to them.

God Bless

Doro22
07-15-2021, 07:22 AM
I can not speak to this issue, but I will be following this thread with interest. Being a native Floridian and born and raised in S. Florida I am fairly familiar with the Cuban population already there.

I too was born & raised in Miami and have several Cuban friends. Most are wonderful hard working people with good family values. Many professional people who came to Miami started out at the bottom and worked tirelessly to become American citizens and regain their professional occupations as doctors, lawyers, teachers, business people etc. They lived & know what living under a socialist regime is like. Thus they vote GOP. That is why current president has this policy.

Bonnevie
07-15-2021, 07:26 AM
Neither which has anything to do with immigration... :boom::boom::boom:

but was useful to the people of Cuba....many profited once travel to Cuba was opened up

it's ridiculous that I can buy clothing made in Vietnam but there are sanctions against Cuba because politicians want the support of the Cuba Americans

Proveone
07-15-2021, 07:27 AM
First of all stop listening to the NOISE Cable Propaganda networks - Fox, NewsMax, One America. All you are doing is parroting what you have heard by consuming misinformation. Do some legitimate fact checking! What you have stated is not accurate. Cuban rebels revolted against a Fascist government in the 1950's. They tried Communism but now with the pandemic they are falling on had times. There is no easy solution under the health situation that the world is going through right now.

Gizemo33
07-15-2021, 07:46 AM
Don’t forget that nuclear bombs were placed in Cuba in the early 1960s by Russia. Cuba has been and continues to be a communist country. If you watch the movie Scarface with Al Pacino you will get a very good depiction of what it was like to come here in the early 1960s.

The United States and Russia were on the verge of war due to the placement of the bombs in Cuba.Congratulations on finding a topic to discuss that has more weight than whose dog is pooping in whose yard. Unfortunately, this is unlikely to be a good place for a meaningful discussion. However, if you are really interested in knowing more about this subject, and how Cuba-USA relations evolved over the last 200 years, I recommend doing a Google search for books on US-Cuba history. This one from Amazon is a good one. Amazon.com (https://www.amazon.com/Cuba-History-Hugh-Thomas/dp/0141034505/ref=pd_cart_vw_crc_1_1/143-8895262-7266565?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0141034505&pd_rd_r=cbbdc984-6208-40a4-8f4a-9f9dc65284ad&pd_rd_w=1936i&pd_rd_wg=JaGex&pf_rd_p=01004c92-8f40-4f1a-bee8-08cb36dccac2&pf_rd_r=7X9CF9YBXHEC4T65RY1S&psc=1&refRID=7X9CF9YBXHEC4T65RY1S)
It is a fascinating story, how we got from Christopher Columbus to Fidel Castro, a mere 90 miles or so from our southern border. You can't really understand it without getting into the politics of Communism vs. Imperialism, and once we do that, this thread will be deleted in a heartbeat.
Good luck in your pursuit of a better understanding.

roscoguy
07-15-2021, 07:49 AM
Please help me to understand; our Cuban neighbors are fighting communism waving our American flag for freedom and seeking food against starvation and medical assistance from poor neglected health issues. Why are they being denied help and not welcomed to the States but our southern border is open allowing pretty much anyone else in including immigrants that may have Covid, drugs, trafficking children, and history of any crimes. We have so many people stuffed into unhealthy tents at our southern border with horrible conditions and that had been abused by cartel coyotes, plus a threat to the local ranchers. Our coast guards are given strict orders to not allow the people from Cuba asylum into the States. Clearly they are starved and fighting for freedom. Help me to understand the difference?!

This sounds suspiciously like propaganda to me. First, please correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I can tell, DHS Secretary Mayorkas told Cubans not to attempt ILLEGAL entry by sea into the U.S. Second, the charge that the Mexican border is open to "pretty much anyone else in including immigrants that may have Covid, drugs, trafficking children, and history of any crimes" is ludicrous. And third, where did you hear that "Our coast guards are given strict orders to not allow the people from Cuba asylum into the States"? I could find absolutely nothing to verify that claim.
Political clickbait right from the start...

Moderator
07-15-2021, 07:49 AM
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JMintzer
07-15-2021, 07:52 AM
Cuba and Mexico have no issues with trade or travel. Cubans can go to Mexico and cross the border with all the others. No illegal immigrants should be “paroled” awaiting asylum hearings. They should he held, and processed according to law, but then we would be obligated to hire an adequate number of judges to hold the hearings. Must be cheaper to keep the immigrants than to follow the law.

Or, we can stop the current deluge of illegal immigrants so the judges can do their jobs...

Bellavita
07-15-2021, 07:55 AM
There is no difference, at all. People seeking a better life will move with their feet, unfortunately Cuba is separated by an ocean. Marco Rubio wants to support Cuba not South America where is the difference.

Hang on when climate change continues there will be a people migration the world has yet to see.


Please help me to understand; our Cuban neighbors are fighting communism waving our American flag for freedom and seeking food against starvation and medical assistance from poor neglected health issues. Why are they being denied help and not welcomed to the States but our southern border is open allowing pretty much anyone else in including immigrants that may have Covid, drugs, trafficking children, and history of any crimes. We have so many people stuffed into unhealthy tents at our southern border with horrible conditions and that had been abused by cartel coyotes, plus a threat to the local ranchers. Our coast guards are given strict orders to not allow the people from Cuba asylum into the States. Clearly they are starved and fighting for freedom. Help me to understand the difference?!

JMintzer
07-15-2021, 07:58 AM
First of all stop listening to the NOISE Cable Propaganda networks - Fox, NewsMax, One America. All you are doing is parroting what you have heard by consuming misinformation.

FOX News! Everybody drink!

Do some legitimate fact checking! What you have stated is not accurate.

Yeah! Get your news from reliable sources like CNN & MSNBC!

Cuban rebels revolted against a Fascist government in the 1950's. They tried Communism but now with the pandemic they are falling on had times. There is no easy solution under the health situation that the world is going through right now.

The current situation in Cuba has nothing to do with Covid. You're just "parroting what you have heard by consuming misinformation."

I visited Cuba 2 years ago (well before Covid). It was a travesty then and it's still a travesty. And it will be a travesty long after Covid is under control...

GrumpyOldMan
07-15-2021, 08:05 AM
I too was born & raised in Miami and have several Cuban friends. Most are wonderful hard working people with good family values. Many professional people who came to Miami started out at the bottom and worked tirelessly to become American citizens and regain their professional occupations as doctors, lawyers, teachers, business people etc. They lived & know what living under a socialist regime is like. Thus they vote GOP. That is why current president has this policy.

I agree with your characterization of Cuban refugees. I have also know a lot of “illegal” refugees, and most of them are hard working honest people just trying to create a better life for their families.

JMintzer
07-15-2021, 08:06 AM
but was useful to the people of Cuba....many profited once travel to Cuba was opened up

Yeah, not so much... They were still making well under $100/month... A few people in the tourism industry, those who could afford the bribes, made some money...

it's ridiculous that I can buy clothing made in Vietnam but there are sanctions against Cuba because politicians want the support of the Cuba Americans

Well, Vietnam normalized relations with the US. Cuba is still in the pocket of Russia and Venezuela...

Becca9800
07-15-2021, 08:07 AM
This thread has been cleaned up and infractions issued for yet more political posts. We believe that this is an important topic and will try to let it run a bit longer. Please keep the political views out of it.

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Dear Moderator, I don't know how it would be possible to discuss a fully political issue and keep politics out of the discussion. The Cuban people are protesting their government ONLY because of the Cuban government's policies. And yes, this is a mighty important current event that America's adults should be allowed to freely discuss, the leniency is appreciated. Thank you.

JMintzer
07-15-2021, 08:09 AM
There is no difference, at all. People seeking a better life will move with their feet, unfortunately Cuba is separated by an ocean. Marco Rubio wants to support Cuba not South America where is the difference.

Hang on when climate change continues there will be a people migration the world has yet to see.

The difference is the laws in place.

Cubans have a special status, that has been in place for over 50 years...

Cuban Adjustment Act - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Adjustment_Act)

Wyseguy
07-15-2021, 08:10 AM
There is no difference, at all. People seeking a better life will move with their feet, unfortunately Cuba is separated by an ocean. Marco Rubio wants to support Cuba not South America where is the difference.

Hang on when climate change continues there will be a people migration the world has yet to see.

So you agree all should only be allowed into the country if they follow the legal path?

Moderator
07-15-2021, 08:14 AM
Dear Moderator, I don't know how it would be possible to discuss a fully political issue and keep politics out of the discussion. The Cuban people are protesting their government ONLY because of the Cuban government's policies. And yes, this is a mighty important current event that America's adults should be allowed to freely discuss, the leniency is appreciated. Thank you.
That is very true. But as long as the site owners want us to enforce the "No politics" rule we either shut down anything that relates to politics or we find a way to discuss things in a non political way. It is what it is.

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Wyseguy
07-15-2021, 08:15 AM
The Dem's do not want to help them because they will not get their vote.

True. Cubans know the dangers of socialism and communism.

Cheiro
07-15-2021, 08:16 AM
Please help me to understand; our Cuban neighbors are fighting communism waving our American flag for freedom and seeking food against starvation and medical assistance from poor neglected health issues. Why are they being denied help and not welcomed to the States but our southern border is open allowing pretty much anyone else in including immigrants that may have Covid, drugs, trafficking children, and history of any crimes. We have so many people stuffed into unhealthy tents at our southern border with horrible conditions and that had been abused by cartel coyotes, plus a threat to the local ranchers. Our coast guards are given strict orders to not allow the people from Cuba asylum into the States. Clearly they are starved and fighting for freedom. Help me to understand the difference?!


Hi,
My cousin is a border agent on the southern border and from what he tells me it is not true that the border is wide open, everyone is not just being allowed in and anyone who promotes that idea either does not know what they are talking about, or is just spreading falsehoods to frighten the American public. There is a procedure for those seeking asylum and the difficulty comes from the volume of those doing so at the moment. The process is being made more difficult by the interference from those being sent there by the governors from other states supposedly to help "guard" the border. These supposed guards are more hindrance than help. With regard to Cubans, they have been welcomed in to the US for the past 60 years and there is a special exemption for admittance for them. Many Cubans know that when they come to the southern border and that they can be accepted for asylum much easier there.

Wyseguy
07-15-2021, 08:28 AM
Hi,
My cousin is a border agent on the southern border and from what he tells me it is not true that the border is wide open, everyone is not just being allowed in and anyone who promotes that idea either does not know what they are talking about, or is just spreading falsehoods to frighten the American public. There is a procedure for those seeking asylum and the difficulty comes from the volume of those doing so at the moment. The process is being made more difficult by the interference from those being sent there by the governors from other states supposedly to help "guard" the border. These supposed guards are more hindrance than help. With regard to Cubans, they have been welcomed in to the US for the past 60 years and there is a special exemption for admittance for them. Many Cubans know that when they come to the southern border and that they can be accepted for asylum much easier there.

My old college roommate is a border guard and informs me that the border is wide open. They can only give the illegal aliens tickets to appear at a future date, and the vast majority of them never appear. Worse yet, is that our military are being used to move the illegals around the country to various cities. Anyone who says otherwise is gullible and uninformed.

OhioBuckeye
07-15-2021, 08:41 AM
Please help me to understand; our Cuban neighbors are fighting communism waving our American flag for freedom and seeking food against starvation and medical assistance from poor neglected health issues. Why are they being denied help and not welcomed to the States but our southern border is open allowing pretty much anyone else in including immigrants that may have Covid, drugs, trafficking children, and history of any crimes. We have so many people stuffed into unhealthy tents at our southern border with horrible conditions and that had been abused by cartel coyotes, plus a threat to the local ranchers. Our coast guards are given strict orders to not allow the people from Cuba asylum into the States. Clearly they are starved and fighting for freedom. Help me to understand the difference?!

You don’t suppose the Cuban’s are waving our American flag just to make us think they’re our side or do think they just trying to get FREE entry into the U.S. I don’t care either way BUT if they want be American citizens do it the right way & I’ll personally shake their hands!

retiredguy123
07-15-2021, 08:45 AM
Hi,
My cousin is a border agent on the southern border and from what he tells me it is not true that the border is wide open, everyone is not just being allowed in and anyone who promotes that idea either does not know what they are talking about, or is just spreading falsehoods to frighten the American public. There is a procedure for those seeking asylum and the difficulty comes from the volume of those doing so at the moment. The process is being made more difficult by the interference from those being sent there by the governors from other states supposedly to help "guard" the border. These supposed guards are more hindrance than help. With regard to Cubans, they have been welcomed in to the US for the past 60 years and there is a special exemption for admittance for them. Many Cubans know that when they come to the southern border and that they can be accepted for asylum much easier there.
If that is true, then why do we see videos every day of people entering the country, but never see videos of people leaving or being turned away? Seeing is believing.

nhtexasrn
07-15-2021, 08:50 AM
Please help me to understand; our Cuban neighbors are fighting communism waving our American flag for freedom and seeking food against starvation and medical assistance from poor neglected health issues. Why are they being denied help and not welcomed to the States but our southern border is open allowing pretty much anyone else in including immigrants that may have Covid, drugs, trafficking children, and history of any crimes. We have so many people stuffed into unhealthy tents at our southern border with horrible conditions and that had been abused by cartel coyotes, plus a threat to the local ranchers. Our coast guards are given strict orders to not allow the people from Cuba asylum into the States. Clearly they are starved and fighting for freedom. Help me to understand the difference?!

I too do not understand why our government is telling Cubans they won't get in the country if they make it here especially after changing our southern border policies and allowing thousands of illegals to flood in from South American countries of which we give millions of dollars in aid every year. Of course, there are some people blaming the US sanctions on Cuba for the conditions there, but it is much more complicated that that. Somehow they forget that the Castro regime embraced the then Soviet Union, allowing them to bring nuclear missiles to Cuba and point them at the US. The communist regime also seized private property and possessions and cast their people in to poverty, or in many cases executing them or throwing them in prison, all the while becoming wealthy themselves. I'm certainly no expert on Cuba, but these are the things I remember and my heart goes out to the Cuban people who have suffered for so many years. There has to be something we can do to help them!!

jbartle1
07-15-2021, 09:11 AM
First of all stop listening to the NOISE Cable Propaganda networks - Fox, NewsMax, One America. All you are doing is parroting what you have heard by consuming misinformation. Do some legitimate fact checking! What you have stated is not accurate. Cuban rebels revolted against a Fascist government in the 1950's. They tried Communism but now with the pandemic they are falling on had times. There is no easy solution under the health situation that the world is going through right now.

Finally, the voice of reason, please folks, fact check, not fox check, there is a difference, one is the truth, the other, not so much!!!

JMintzer
07-15-2021, 09:14 AM
You don’t suppose the Cuban’s are waving our American flag just to make us think they’re our side or do think they just trying to get FREE entry into the U.S. I don’t care either way BUT if they want be American citizens do it the right way & I’ll personally shake their hands!

Cubans have a special legal status that was granted waaay back in 1965, signed into law by Pres Johnson...

Cuban Adjustment Act - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Adjustment_Act)

JMintzer
07-15-2021, 09:15 AM
Finally, the voice of reason, please folks, fact check, not fox check, there is a difference, one is the truth, the other, not so much!!!

Everybody drink!

Stu from NYC
07-15-2021, 09:58 AM
Our immigration policy has not made any sense for years.

Lots of people graduate our universities would like to stay and start businesses and employ Americans but are unable to do so due to our immigration policies.

As a result they create jobs elsewhere.

If there is a harder working group of people than Cubans have not experienced them during my time in this world

brfree1411@aol.com
07-15-2021, 10:47 AM
Do you think Central America doesn't have any of those leaving? Cuban in prison are 90% there for not following the Communist government.
Do we care why people need help? I know Cuba has no petroleum so no need to intervene in that country.

brfree1411@aol.com
07-15-2021, 10:49 AM
Visitors to Cuba before Covid spent dollars that went directly to the government the people did not gain anything.

n8xwb
07-15-2021, 10:51 AM
Actually the difference is quite simple ( but will probably result in this thread being removed).

First let me say that back in the late sixties I had a Cuban college room mate at Cornell who's family fled Cuba as Castro took over their country. At that time, the SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) was very active and in fact took over some of Cornell's buildings during their socialistic demonstrations. My friend, Jorge would put up a card table when the SDS was distributing their socialist literature and spend hours offering his own pro-America, anti-socialist/communist literature!

Generally, the Cuban society is VERY anti socialist, pro America. Those political persuasions are not in line with the current administrations desire to change our great country.

THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE!!

brfree1411@aol.com
07-15-2021, 10:53 AM
Thanks for posting the 1965 immigration of Cubans. Things on the island are worse than ever. Starving!! Can you imagine having nothing but water to feed your babies?
An ear infection cannot be cured, a toothache cannot be cured let alone appendicitis or any worse health issue. I don't understand how America can go thousand of miles to VIetnam, Iraq, Afghanistan but not 90 miles from our border to give humanitarian assistance.

Blueblaze
07-15-2021, 10:56 AM
The solution is obvious. The Cubans need to quit expecting special treatment and do like everyone else in the world -- float a boat to Mexico so they can pay a cartel to be raped and fleeced before walking the hundred yards from the bus to America, like any other self-respecting "refugee"!

The moment they arrive, they can report to the nearest Border Patrol welcome station, where after a few days in a cage to acquire the necessary dose of COVID-19, they will be placed on a plane with other Americans and transported free-of-charge to the destination of their choice -- even Florida! All they have to do is promise to show up in court in about five years.

It's simple, when you follow the rules!