Moving on up

[PennBF]

I guess were moving on up? It is the move of having little white crosses on the yards to a rather tall religious statue of a child praying in front of a religious symbol. What is the next action to try to violate the deed restrictions when the home was purchased? It is degrading to the various responsible christian residents. To put these religious symbols on the same level as a pink flamingo,etc is really a lack of respect for the religion that is trying to be "advertised"?:ohdear:

[DAVES]

I guess were moving on up? It is the move of having little white crosses on the yards to a rather tall religious statue of a child praying in front of a religious symbol. What is the next action to try to violate the deed restrictions when the home was purchased? It is degrading to the various responsible christian residents. To put these religious symbols on the same level as a pink flamingo,etc is really a lack of respect for the religion that is trying to be "advertised"?:ohdear:

An endless posted topic. Logic? People? Advertise a religion? Over and over the same illogical discussion. Little cross? We know reality, my cross is bigger than your cross so I am more holy than you. I saw one home with three crosses on his/her lawn.

The thought, the argument, the opinion seems to go through most threads. Law well it should apply to others. It should only apply when I fits my narrative.

[vintageogauge]

You didn't mention where this was, some of the older villages do not have restrictions.

[VApeople]

To put these religious symbols on the same level as a pink flamingo,etc is really a lack of respect for the religion that is trying to be "advertised"

Yes, it is also insulting to those of us who treat a Pink Flamingo as an important religious symbol.

Think about it. How many people have died because they worship the Pink Flamingo?

[Stu from NYC]

Yes, it is also insulting to those of us who treat a Pink Flamingo as an important religious symbol.

Think about it. How many people have died because they worship the Pink Flamingo?

When the space aliens take over the first thing they will do is round up the owners of the pink flamingos.

[Dond1959]

When the space aliens take over the first thing they will do is round up the owners of the pink flamingos.

Maybe the aliens have sent an advance force to earth and they identify them by the pink flamingos in their yard.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Yes, it is also insulting to those of us who treat a Pink Flamingo as an important religious symbol.

Think about it. How many people have died because they worship the Pink Flamingo?

I hope the Church of the Pink Flamingo uses Marijuana for communion and not crackers and wine - I am all in for that.

[thelegges]

Yesterday Marshall’s had a 6’ metal rooster, and a 6.5 foot metal Pink Flamingo. Today they are both gone..


Start laughing now, both will be in someone’s yard, maybe your next door neighbor :a040::MOJE_whot::1rotfl:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Yes, it is also insulting to those of us who treat a Pink Flamingo as an important religious symbol.

Think about it. How many people have died because they worship the Pink Flamingo?

Same question in reverse: how many people have killed because they worship the pink flamingo?

[EdFNJ]

I guess seeing as we are all (relatively) old folks we have to keep repeating the same things over and over and over.

[Rwirish]

There are deed restrictions which one should be aware before purchasing in TV. Comply with the restrictions.

[Blackbird45]

I'm an agnostic, only enter a church for weddings and funerals. I might not understand the need to advertise what religion you follow, but I really don't understand why this is an issue. I don't lose any sleep because I see a little white cross or a star of David.

[BlackHarley]

I'd give up my ride before giving up "Tilly", my pink flamingo....lol.

[Girlcopper]

I'm an agnostic, only enter a church for weddings and funerals. I might not understand the need to advertise what religion you follow, but I really don't understand why this is an issue. I don't lose any sleep because I see a little white cross or a star of David.
Agree. Dont like it? Dont look

[Billy1]

I see a pink flamingo as being warm and friendly, I see a little white cross as being judgmental. God loves us all.

[Two Bills]

I just think 'more dead pets' as I pass them.
Love the Flamingos though!:ohdear:

[DIver0258]

I guess were moving on up? It is the move of having little white crosses on the yards to a rather tall religious statue of a child praying in front of a religious symbol. What is the next action to try to violate the deed restrictions when the home was purchased? It is degrading to the various responsible christian residents. To put these religious symbols on the same level as a pink flamingo,etc is really a lack of respect for the religion that is trying to be "advertised"?:ohdear:

Another thread failing to focus on the center of the issue at hand. Has nothing to do with religious suppression. Everyone agreed to the deed restrictions when they purchased their home. The cross can be displayed in a window. No we are going to do battle because we are above what we contractually and legally agreed to. Keep beating the dead horse…SMH.

[Niferlou06]

Its the deed: Adhere to it.
"Lawn Ornaments: lawn ornaments, or yard art, generally refers to manmade items located anywhere outside the structure or footprint of the home. However, pots and planters designed and constructed for plant use, are permitted so long as they are used for their intended purpose. The inclusion or attachment of flowers or plants to a man made ornament, not originally constructed for plant use, does not change the item from a lawn ornament to landscaping. The word "lawn" includes areas that are mulched, concreted, sodded, rocked, landscaped, bare earth or any other material outside the structure (footprint) of the home. The following is intended as a partial reference list of lawn ornaments: any man made statue or figure (INCLUDING: religious symbols, wind chimes, plastic or silk flowers, windmill, pinwheels, trains sets, deer, geese, flamingos or any other animal or human figures"

[beeneyra]

I'm s Christian, I believe in freedom of speech, and religion. Doesn't bother me, but moving on up is racial, referring to the Jefferson who lived on the east side. That bothers me, not sure what a pink flamingo has to do with any of this. Live and let live and just be friendly, this is your hometown friendliest place.

[JanetMM]

Whenever I see a little white cross in an area that is not supposed to have items adorning their lawn I think There lives a good christian that says “screw the rules! I do what I want even if I said I would do something else! Who cares what Jesus said about letting your yes mean yes and your no mean no!”

[daca55]

There are deed restrictions which one should be aware before purchasing in TV. Comply with the restrictions.

That is it in a nutshell. If you buy a home in most parts of the Villages you sign a deed restriction that says you will have no ornaments on your lawns or yards. People who put things like crosses and flamingos in their yard are violating the deed restrictions they signed. Why is that so hard to understand?

[graciegirl]

There are deed restrictions which one should be aware before purchasing in TV. Comply with the restrictions.

I think this is the message I would give.

And to those .......... Lay off the digs about religion. Not nice. Not caring of those who are religious..

We do not need to be so ugly to others. Just report their inappropriate yard ornaments and wave to them down the pew...if you go. If you don't. That's o.k. too. I am not in charge of the universe. We will see later if we meet again.

[kenoc7]

When the space aliens take over the first thing they will do is round up the owners of the pink flamingos.
When the space aliens take over I hope the first thing they will do is round up the owners of the white crosses.

[Spalumbos62]

I see a pink flamingo as being warm and friendly, I see a little white cross as being judgmental. God loves us all.


I was told that the little white cross meant they loss someone. So death- not religion. Looking at it that way puts a whole new perspective.

[Gizemo33]

I am very grateful that Arlington cemetery and all the armed forces cemeteries are not located within the villages.

[Gizemo33]

I am all in for the church that serves marijuana. Thank you bro, see you there.

[njbchbum]

I was told that the little white cross meant they loss someone. So death- not religion. Looking at it that way puts a whole new perspective.

But it does not change the fact that the little white cross is still defined as a lawn ornament by community standards!

[butlerism]

I hope the Church of the Pink Flamingo uses Marijuana for communion and not crackers and wine - I am all in for that.
My Pink Flamingo doubles as a homing beacon for the mother ship

[twinklesweep]

My view is that this is a deed restriction issue, that I signed a covenant required when I bought my home here that I cannot display lawn ornaments. But I’m curious to understand the reasons for those violating the document we signed.

Are they so insecure about their religious beliefs that they feel that by making their personal issue public, it will give them a response from others that lets them feel that this feedback is what creates a true spiritual connection?

Or are they insecure not for issues of faith but rather their standing in the community that they feel by challenging the lawn ornament issue, they will be admired which in turn can soothe their ego?

Or are they people who, no matter what the issue, deliberately choose to do the opposite of expectation with no regard for support or feedback from others?

Or what are the other possibilities? I got a glimpse overhearing a conversation in which a little white cross/lawn ornament displayer was asked how they would feel about seeing displayed on lawns the symbols of other religions such as a Crescent for Moslems, a Star of David for Jews, the Universal symbol for Unitarians, a statue of Buddha, and more. The answer was that would not be the same thing. Why not? “Because we are a Christian nation!”

Huh? Is that like English is the official language of the U.S.? (I’m just comparing, not bringing up another subject.) I still don’t get it, but then again, curiosity aside, I don’t have to….

[Incoblack1]

My Pink Flamingo doubles as a homing beacon for the mother ship

The best looking neighborhoods don't allow lawn ornaments. Check it out! Those who want to flaunt their religion can do so with window decorations (which also don't look so great).

[Djean1981]

I don't get it either. I'm a Christian and have no urge to intentionally violate standard neighborhood rules. Items could be put on your car, porch, a necklace, etc. Why risk irking others in your community...

[Two Bills]

I am very grateful that Arlington cemetery and all the armed forces cemeteries are not located within the villages.

Sorry, but I fail to see what your post has to do with deed restrictions.

[JMintzer]

My Pink Flamingo doubles as a homing beacon for the mother ship

I'm waiting for the resurrection of Devine...

https://live.staticflickr.com/4837/33147739018_0d4fc58b06_b.jpg

[VApeople]

I am very grateful that Arlington cemetery and all the armed forces cemeteries are not located within the villages.

I agree! If we had a military cemetery in The Villages, we would have a bunch of Wiccan symbols everywhere.

military cemetery wicca symbol - Yahoo Image Search Results (https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A2KLfS52GvNgFzsABSRXNyoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNi ZjEEcG9zAzEEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Nj?p=military+cemetery+w icca+symbol&fr=mcafee)

[stebooo]

Yours is a very sad comment

[Byte1]

"Rules are Rules"......and yet:
How many golf carts actually stop fully at a stop sign? None of the ones I have followed in the last 10 years in the Villages.
How many violations of real estate signs do you see every week?
How many open house sign violations do you see every week?
How many yard sale/garage sale signs do you see every week?
How many violations of landscaping rules do you see every week?
I could go on with the list.
The little bitty cross does not threaten me or insult me. Actually, I am glad when I see them, along with American flags flying. Since I have no intention of selling my home anytime soon, I guess I am not concerned about supposed threats to the worth of my property. I guess bragging rights mean a lot more to some than others. My house is worth $???K ....big deal.

Just keep your dam* dog off my grass! Otherwise, my two cents says that when I see a personalization of homes in a neighborhood, I know someone lives there and the house is not just a rental.

Yes, "rules are rules." Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

[GOLFER54]

I guess putting a 10 foot statue of Jesus on my front of lawn, will be out of the question.

[golfing eagles]

My view is that this is a deed restriction issue, that I signed a covenant required when I bought my home here that I cannot display lawn ornaments. But I’m curious to understand the reasons for those violating the document we signed.

Are they so insecure about their religious beliefs that they feel that by making their personal issue public, it will give them a response from others that lets them feel that this feedback is what creates a true spiritual connection?

Or are they insecure not for issues of faith but rather their standing in the community that they feel by challenging the lawn ornament issue, they will be admired which in turn can soothe their ego?

Or are they people who, no matter what the issue, deliberately choose to do the opposite of expectation with no regard for support or feedback from others?

Or what are the other possibilities? I got a glimpse overhearing a conversation in which a little white cross/lawn ornament displayer was asked how they would feel about seeing displayed on lawns the symbols of other religions such as a Crescent for Moslems, a Star of David for Jews, the Universal symbol for Unitarians, a statue of Buddha, and more. The answer was that would not be the same thing. Why not? “Because we are a Christian nation!”

Huh? Is that like English is the official language of the U.S.? (I’m just comparing, not bringing up another subject.) I still don’t get it, but then again, curiosity aside, I don’t have to….

Actually, the U.S, does not have an official language

[golfing eagles]

"Rules are Rules"......and yet:
How many golf carts actually stop fully at a stop sign? None of the ones I have followed in the last 10 years in the Villages.
How many violations of real estate signs do you see every week?
How many open house sign violations do you see every week?
How many yard sale/garage sale signs do you see every week?
How many violations of landscaping rules do you see every week?
I could go on with the list.
The little bitty cross does not threaten me or insult me. Actually, I am glad when I see them, along with American flags flying. Since I have no intention of selling my home anytime soon, I guess I am not concerned about supposed threats to the worth of my property. I guess bragging rights mean a lot more to some than others. My house is worth $???K ....big deal.

Just keep your dam* dog off my grass! Otherwise, my two cents says that when I see a personalization of homes in a neighborhood, I know someone lives there and the house is not just a rental.

Yes, "rules are rules." Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

About 10,000 as many as cyclists who stop:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

I guess putting a 10 foot statue of Jesus on my front of lawn, will be out of the question.

I'm going full Rio Jesus...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Aerial_view_of_the_Statue_of_Christ_the_Redeemer.j pg

[IRISHGIRL3US]

Not just repeating, complaining.

[Becca9800]

I'm s Christian, I believe in freedom of speech, and religion. Doesn't bother me, but moving on up is racial, referring to the Jefferson who lived on the east side. That bothers me, not sure what a pink flamingo has to do with any of this. Live and let live and just be friendly, this is your hometown friendliest place.

Any topic, any statement, can be perceived "racial" if that's what you're looking for. Js.

[DaleDivine]

:popcorn::popcorn:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I was told that the little white cross meant they loss someone. So death- not religion. Looking at it that way puts a whole new perspective.

Except in the case of this thread, this topic, it is very specifically to do with religion. There are people who put these on their lawns and proclaim "freedom of RELIGION" as their justification to break the rules. There is currently a lawsuit about it. And now that there is so much support for this one household that has chosen to break the rules and use "freedom of religion" as their excuse, there is a new, very decisively religious statue on another home that is getting a lot of heavy press.

All because people refuse to follow the rules of their particular village. You choose to live in a neighborhood that has the rule "no lawn ornaments" then you should not be given a free pass just because your lawn ornament has some connection with a religion.

And all the people supporting them should remember that when they side with the rulebreakers, they're hanging their banner on the side of anarchy with the name "religion" printed on the bottom.

[Skunky1]

Put the symbols in The back yard!

[Redsmom]

Yes, "rules are rules." Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.[/QUOTE]

That’s exactly it. The same folks who go on and on complaining about a little white cross in someone’s yard, consistently drive over the speed limit. Even though, they agreed to the rules of the road when they accepted their license to drive. So it really boils down to WHICH rules they choose to ignore.

[JMintzer]

Yes, "rules are rules." Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

That’s exactly it. The same folks who go on and on complaining about a little white cross in someone’s yard, consistently drive over the speed limit. Even though, they agreed to the rules of the road when they accepted their license to drive. So it really boils down to WHICH rules they choose to ignore.[/QUOTE]

Yet they can be ticketed/fined/arrested if they drive over the speed limit...

Are you for the same "punishment" for yard ornaments?

[jimjamuser]

Same question in reverse: how many people have killed because they worship the pink flamingo?
That IS deep and thought-provoking!

[jimjamuser]

I'm an agnostic, only enter a church for weddings and funerals. I might not understand the need to advertise what religion you follow, but I really don't understand why this is an issue. I don't lose any sleep because I see a little white cross or a star of David.
Many wars have been religious wars. Even today in the US, religion can be manipulated to cause division and NOT unity.

[jimjamuser]

I'm going full Rio Jesus...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Aerial_view_of_the_Statue_of_Christ_the_Redeemer.j pg
The best picture of the bunch.

[jimjamuser]

Except in the case of this thread, this topic, it is very specifically to do with religion. There are people who put these on their lawns and proclaim "freedom of RELIGION" as their justification to break the rules. There is currently a lawsuit about it. And now that there is so much support for this one household that has chosen to break the rules and use "freedom of religion" as their excuse, there is a new, very decisively religious statue on another home that is getting a lot of heavy press.

All because people refuse to follow the rules of their particular village. You choose to live in a neighborhood that has the rule "no lawn ornaments" then you should not be given a free pass just because your lawn ornament has some connection with a religion.

And all the people supporting them should remember that when they side with the rulebreakers, they're hanging their banner on the side of anarchy with the name "religion" printed on the bottom.
FreeDUMB of religion!

[jimjamuser]

That’s exactly it. The same folks who go on and on complaining about a little white cross in someone’s yard, consistently drive over the speed limit. Even though, they agreed to the rules of the road when they accepted their license to drive. So it really boils down to WHICH rules they choose to ignore.

Yet they can be ticketed/fined/arrested if they drive over the speed limit...

Are you for the same "punishment" for yard ornaments?[/QUOTE]
All rules must be enforced by SOME government entity - speeding by the Police - lawn ornaments by the court system. Zero enforcement would be anarchy. People complain about "THE GOVERNMENT", yet it would be impossible to have a functioning society without government.

[newgirl]

Sounds like moving elsewhere is definitely what you need. Market is hot , so you should be able to sell and move on in 30 days!

[JMintzer]

Yet they can be ticketed/fined/arrested if they drive over the speed limit...

Are you for the same "punishment" for yard ornaments?
All rules must be enforced by SOME government entity - speeding by the Police - lawn ornaments by the court system. Zero enforcement would be anarchy. People complain about "THE GOVERNMENT", yet it would be impossible to have a functioning society without government.[/QUOTE]

You wanna' fix your post? I never said what you quoted me as saying...

[JMintzer]

Speed limits are a law, not deed restriction. Yard ornaments are deed restrictions, not laws. But I'm guessing you knew that.

Deed restrictions are LEGAL restrictions agreed to by the purchaser...

So yes, they are the LAW of the neighborhood. Otherwise they couldn't be LEGALLY enforced...

[JMintzer]

Yet they can be ticketed/fined/arrested if they drive over the speed limit...

Are you for the same "punishment" for yard ornaments?
All rules must be enforced by SOME government entity - speeding by the Police - lawn ornaments by the court system. Zero enforcement would be anarchy. People complain about "THE GOVERNMENT", yet it would be impossible to have a functioning society without government.[/QUOTE]

People complain about "GOVERNMENT OVERREACH", not "The Government"...

I don't think there are many anarchists living in TV...

[JMintzer]

FreeDUMB of religion!

Care to explain?

[Byte1]

Care to explain?

Excellent question! I was also wondering what was meant by his statement. Surely it was not meant to insult?

[JMintzer]

Excellent question! I was also wondering what was meant by his statement. Surely it was not meant to insult?

So far... Crickets...

And don't call me Shirley!

[LateBoomer]

I see a pink flamingo as being warm and friendly, I see a little white cross as being judgmental. God loves us all.

I see those who see a cross as judgmental as being judgmental and therefore rank hypocrites

[graciegirl]

I see those who see a cross as judgmental as being judgmental and therefore rank hypocrites

This is about deed restrictions and really not about criticism of someone's faith.

If you move here, most will not be able to place lawn ornaments of any kind without permission from the Architectural Review Committee. If a person places ANYTHING in their yard that does not meet their approval, AND SOMEONE REPORTS THEM, then they will be asked to remove it, or put it under the eaves of their house. If they fail to do so, they open themselves to be fined.

I like this deed restriction. It is one of the reasons we chose to live here. We have had similar deed restrictions in the neighborhoods in Ohio where we lived.

It is my feeling that it makes for a nicer appearance and protects the property values of all.

[Byte1]

This is about deed restrictions and really not about criticism of someone's faith.

If you move here, most will not be able to place lawn ornaments of any kind without permission from the Architectural Review Committee. If a person places ANYTHING in their yard that does not meet their approval, AND SOMEONE REPORTS THEM, then they will be asked to remove it, or put it under the eaves of their house. If they fail to do so, they open themselves to be fined.

I like this deed restriction. It is one of the reasons we chose to live here. We have had similar deed restrictions in the neighborhoods in Ohio where we lived.

It is my feeling that it makes for a nicer appearance and protects the property values of all.

Hmm, as much as I would like to agree with you, "nicer appearance" is in the eyes of the beholder. "Protects property values" seems to be contrary to fact today, also. Almost all homes in my neighborhood are personalized, meaning many yard ornaments, pots and other personal choices. No home put on the market this year has been there for very long. One that I know of, sold for over $600K that sold for about $500K last year. I have not seen anyone take a loss in my neighborhood. Apparently, those yard decorations had little effect on the market. I don't always find the same attraction toward some modifications that the owners sees, but I don't like yellow cars either.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Hmm, as much as I would like to agree with you, "nicer appearance" is in the eyes of the beholder. "Protects property values" seems to be contrary to fact today, also. Almost all homes in my neighborhood are personalized, meaning many yard ornaments, pots and other personal choices. No home put on the market this year has been there for very long. One that I know of, sold for over $600K that sold for about $500K last year. I have not seen anyone take a loss in my neighborhood. Apparently, those yard decorations had little effect on the market. I don't always find the same attraction toward some modifications that the owners sees, but I don't like yellow cars either.

Exactly. I don't like the "stepford wives" look in landscaping. I don't want to look around a neighborhood for a new home and think "okay - which green square do I want to own? The left one, the right one, the one in the middle, the one across the street - oh well who cares, they're all pretty much the same." My neighbors come in all shapes, sizes, colors, have all kinds of different accents, are from different countries with different cultures.

I LIKE knowing there are differences. I embrace differences. That's why I'm okay with my neighbors having landscapes that reflect those differences. Some folks just want everyone to be like everyone else. To me, that's boring; a monochromatic life bereft of visual stimulation.

That said, I moved to the neighborhood I live in now, in the Villages, partly because these things are acceptable here. The deed restrictions are not as strict. We still have rules and regs, but we have some wiggle room for personal touches. We aren't the Borg nor are we expected to decorate as if we were.

[golfing eagles]

Exactly. I don't like the "stepford wives" look in landscaping. I don't want to look around a neighborhood for a new home and think "okay - which green square do I want to own? The left one, the right one, the one in the middle, the one across the street - oh well who cares, they're all pretty much the same." My neighbors come in all shapes, sizes, colors, have all kinds of different accents, are from different countries with different cultures.

I LIKE knowing there are differences. I embrace differences. That's why I'm okay with my neighbors having landscapes that reflect those differences. Some folks just want everyone to be like everyone else. To me, that's boring; a monochromatic life bereft of visual stimulation.

That said, I moved to the neighborhood I live in now, in the Villages, partly because these things are acceptable here. The deed restrictions are not as strict. We still have rules and regs, but we have some wiggle room for personal touches. We aren't the Borg nor are we expected to decorate as if we were.

But if you were, resistance would be futile:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Lindsyburnsy]

Why do people move to the Villages when they know you are prohibited from adding things to your landscape? Stay in your previous residence and put whatever you want. I really don't know why people think advertising their political, sports, religious junk in their yard is a beautification of the landscaping. It looks trashy, that's why there are restrictions.