NY Yankees get Covid again

[Swoop]

Just a few months ago eight members of the Yankees organization tested positive for Covid. Now six more players on the 25 man active roster have tested positive. Five of them had been vaccinated…

[JMintzer]

Something has got to be screwy with the testing...

[GrumpyOldMan]

Something has got to be screwy with the testing...

I hope so. There are sporadic reports that the delta variant is breaking through the vaccinations. I hope not... sigh.

[Packer Fan]

WHO CARES? If they are not vaccinated they have made their choice. Nobody cares anymore. Ignore the media, they are just trying to scare you. On top of that, it is the Yankees so nobody who matters cares anyway. Everyone hates the Yankees

[GrumpyOldMan]

WHO CARES? If they are not vaccinated they have made their choice. Nobody cares anymore. Ignore the media, they are just trying to scare you. On top of that, it is the Yankees so nobody who matters cares anyway. Everyone hates the Yankees

Thank you, I didn't realize I don't matter. Good to know.

I care, I care about people dying preventable deaths.

[Swoop]

WHO CARES? If they are not vaccinated they have made their choice. Nobody cares anymore. Ignore the media, they are just trying to scare you. On top of that, it is the Yankees so nobody who matters cares anyway. Everyone hates the Yankees
A total of 14 positive cases among the players and staff and 13 were vaccinated!

[drducat]

Non sterilizing vaccines....Vaccines Need Not Completely Stop COVID Transmission to Curb the Pandemic - Scientific American (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccines-need-not-completely-stop-covid-transmission-to-curb-the-pandemic1/) Quote "Although many vaccines widely used today (against measles, for example) produce very effective sterilizing immunity, others, such as the hepatitis B vaccine, do not. With these vaccines, an individual’s immune system is trained to prevent illness, yet the pathogen can persist in that person’s body, potentially allowing them to infect others. A lack of sterilizing immunity means that the pathogen can continue to circulate in a population, where it may cause illness in unvaccinated and vulnerable people or evolve to evade our immune responses, Bowdish explains."

Vaccinated will carry the virus and can spread it along with causing variants such as Delta

[blueash]

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Vaccinated will carry the virus and can spread it along with causing variants such as Delta

This is wildly wrong and irresponsible. It is the UNvaccinated population that is responsible for the major upswing in new cases, more deaths, and increasing the risk of new mutations. Yes, vaccinated people can "carry" the virus, and vaccinated people can get sick with it, and die from it. But 99% of the deaths are in unvaccinated people. No vaccine is 100% effective. The Covid vaccines are damn good and those who are refusing to get them, and those who cheer at political events in support of vaccine refusers are responsible for this mess starting up again. There is a big difference between freedom and freedumb. And the difference is killing people, again.

[Swoop]

This is wildly wrong and irresponsible. It is the UNvaccinated population that is responsible for the major upswing in new cases, more deaths, and increasing the risk of new mutations. Yes, vaccinated people can "carry" the virus, and vaccinated people can get sick with it, and die from it. But 99% of the deaths are in unvaccinated people. No vaccine is 100% effective. The Covid vaccines are damn good and those who are refusing to get them, and those who cheer at political events in support of vaccine refusers are responsible for this mess starting up again. There is a big difference between freedom and freedumb. And the difference is killing people, again.

Simple question. If owners are paying baseball players millions of dollars to play, and if they can’t pass on the virus because they’ve been vaccinated, then why are they being quarantined?

[drducat]

This is wildly wrong and irresponsible. It is the UNvaccinated population that is responsible for the major upswing in new cases, more deaths, and increasing the risk of new mutations. Yes, vaccinated people can "carry" the virus, and vaccinated people can get sick with it, and die from it. But 99% of the deaths are in unvaccinated people. No vaccine is 100% effective. The Covid vaccines are damn good and those who are refusing to get them, and those who cheer at political events in support of vaccine refusers are responsible for this mess starting up again. There is a big difference between freedom and freedumb. And the difference is killing people, again.

Vaccinated people now make up almost 47% of all new Covid cases, symptom-tracking app claims | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9790999/Symptom-tracking-app-claims-number-people-falling-ill-virus-day-FALLEN.html)

UK uses the same jab we are and hate to inform you but...Non sterilizing vaccines have limits and the person that receives will still carry the virus and give to others...also mutations occur trying to avoid the immune response from the vaccine and not as quickly from a unvaccinated person...a little research will show that this is proven science and known for many years...not sure why the CDC is not up front on this...hmm

[blueash]

Vaccinated people now make up almost 47% of all new Covid cases, symptom-tracking app claims | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9790999/Symptom-tracking-app-claims-number-people-falling-ill-virus-day-FALLEN.html)

UK uses the same jab we are and hate to inform you but...Non sterilizing vaccines have limits and the person that receives will still carry the virus and give to others...also mutations occur trying to avoid the immune response from the vaccine and not as quickly from a unvaccinated person...a little research will show that this is proven science and known for many years...not sure why the CDC is not up front on this...hmm

I hate to inform you but you are still 100% wrong. What kind of doctor are you given your user name? Because you certainly do not understand immunology or medical statistics nor even display the honesty to report what your own link actually reports.

It says that in the UK they include persons as being immunized who have had only a single dose. And the article very clearly and carefully explains how those with a single dose are less protected against the disease compared to those who have had both doses.
Infections are rising fastest among young Britons — many of whom have only received one dose. But the ZOE app counts these people as 'vaccinated' even though they are not yet fully protected by two doses. A second dose of all vaccines has been shown to be much more effective than a first dose against the Indian 'Delta' variant.

Your statement so mutations occur trying to avoid the immune response from the vaccine and not as quickly from a unvaccinated person...a little research will show that this is proven science and known for many years... is complete garbage. A virus is not "trying to avoid the immune response" It is not thinking and sneaking around inside you. The greater number of viral particles present, the more likely one will mutate. Period. So if a person is immunized even if they are infected they will have fewer viral particles, thus a lower chance that one mutates. This has been known for years. The CDC is not lying to us, you are.

Your statement that vaccinated people are the cause of mutations and the ongoing and increasing Covid pandemic is simply wrong and reflects what I strongly suspect is an anti-vaccine ignorance on your part. Your lies have consequences if even one person decides not to get immunized because of the garbage you are writing.

[JMintzer]

A total of 14 positive cases among the players and staff and 13 were vaccinated!

Why let facts get in the way of a good rant? :icon_wink:

[GrumpyOldMan]

Vaccinated people now make up almost 47% of all new Covid cases, symptom-tracking app claims | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9790999/Symptom-tracking-app-claims-number-people-falling-ill-virus-day-FALLEN.html)

also mutations occur trying to avoid the immune response from the vaccine and not as quickly from a unvaccinated person...

CDC is not up front because that is not true. Please provide some peer reviewed study link that makes that claim.

[GrumpyOldMan]

I hate to inform you but you are still 100% wrong. What kind of doctor are you given your user name? Because you certainly do not understand immunology or medical statistics nor even display the honesty to report what your own link actually reports.

It says that in the UK they include persons as being immunized who have had only a single dose. And the article very clearly and carefully explains how those with a single dose are less protected against the disease compared to those who have had both doses.


Your statement is complete garbage. A virus is not "trying to avoid the immune response" It is not thinking and sneaking around inside you. The greater number of viral particles present, the more likely one will mutate. Period. So if a person is immunized even if they are infected they will have fewer viral particles, thus a lower chance that one mutates. This has been known for years. The CDC is not lying to us, you are.

Your statement that vaccinated people are the cause of mutations and the ongoing and increasing Covid pandemic is simply wrong and reflects what I strongly suspect is an anti-vaccine ignorance on your part. Your lies have consequences if even one person decides not to get immunized because of the garbage you are writing.

When media or influencers spread disinformation that can result in people losing their lives, I would like to see the AG begin investigations into these companies or individuals. And if it can be proven that the spreader KNEW it was false, then the AG should press charges amounting 1st degree murder.

Freedom of Speech does not extend to putting peoples lives in danger.

Maybe if a few people are held legally responsbile for the deaths they cause, others will start to think twice. At this point, spreading inflammatory disinformation has no consequences except to enrich the people spreading the lies.

Notice please, that I did not say which side is spreading the lies. If there is a lie being spread I don't care if it is FOX or CNN. If they know it is a lie, and it it puts peoples lives in danger, they should be prosecuted.

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

Just a few months ago eight members of the Yankees organization tested positive for Covid. Now six more players on the 25 man active roster have tested positive. Five of them had been vaccinated…

So what?!

My mom - just died - do you care what she died of? I recently read a book about a family who was murdered. Last night I listened to a podcast about a town hit by a natural disaster where hundreds died.

I could go on and on……. put it this way - I pray my mom would have been simply impacted with Covid (the odds of her survival would have been astronomically greater)….. I am sure that family I read about - would have volunteered to have Covid rather than encountering an evil human being ——— you get the picture - right?

Just be happy for this team - that the worse obstacle they have to overcome is Covid…… it could be a h*ll of a lot worse.

We *ALL* face challenges in life - unfortunately some people face worse challenges than others…… life is not fair. Believe me - there are probably millions++ of people who would trade their situation for a Covid positive - I know I would!!!! in a heartbeat!

I wish people would put things in perspective….

[drducat]

When media or influencers spread disinformation that can result in people losing their lives, I would like to see the AG begin investigations into these companies or individuals. And if it can be proven that the spreader KNEW it was false, then the AG should press charges amounting 1st degree murder.

Freedom of Speech does not extend to putting peoples lives in danger.

Maybe if a few people are held legally responsbile for the deaths they cause, others will start to think twice. At this point, spreading inflammatory disinformation has no consequences except to enrich the people spreading the lies.

Notice please, that I did not say which side is spreading the lies. If there is a lie being spread I don't care if it is FOX or CNN. If they know it is a lie, and it it puts peoples lives in danger, they should be prosecuted.

As far as if someone should take a vaccine or not is entirely a personal decision and the media should stay out of it. Stick with the studies already done. I never watch news...ever....links are un avoidably going to some news articles.

This kind of hypothesis is what I am talking about..has nothing to do with covid jabs and from 2015. Proof is yet to come....who really knows?

Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens (https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198)




Such as this one.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan View Post
When media or influencers spread disinformation that can result in people losing their lives, I would like to see the AG begin investigations into these companies or individuals. And if it can be proven that the spreader KNEW it was false, then the AG should press charges amounting 1st degree murder.

Freedom of Speech does not extend to putting peoples lives in danger.

Maybe if a few people are held legally responsbile for the deaths they cause, others will start to think twice. At this point, spreading inflammatory disinformation has no consequences except to enrich the people spreading the lies.

Notice please, that I did not say which side is spreading the lies. If there is a lie being spread I don't care if it is FOX or CNN. If they know it is a lie, and it it puts peoples lives in danger, they should be prosecuted.

What you are advocating is fascism. Who will be the arbiter of what is true and what is false? The government?

Sometimes they are the biggest liars. They lied about the origin of the virus, hydroxychloroquine, school closures and so much more.

Scientists and medical professionals disagree all the time. I want to be exposed to all arguments so I can decide what is in my best interest.

[WesMan]

Just a few months ago eight members of the Yankees organization tested positive for Covid. Now six more players on the 25 man active roster have tested positive. Five of them had been vaccinated…
Tell them to get the shots!!!!! Over paid brats!!

[Swoop]

Tell them to get the shots!!!!! Over paid brats!!

Do you have a reading comprehension issue? They had been vaccinated!

[Mac1996]

The communist regime that the United States has been in bed with for the last 50 years are the ones we need to be going after!O yeah it’s called China!

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

Do you have a reading comprehension issue? They had been vaccinated!

Really - this is big, old horrible news?

Ask people who are losing family and friends each and every day from a myriad of threats so much more worse than testing positive for Covid - I know many suffering right now who would switch places with these ball players and with people like you who think testing covid positive is the worse thing that can happen to anyone, sorry - it is not.

Goodness - you are one extremely fortunate individual - if the threat of covid is the biggest priority and fear you have in life. You are EXTREMELY fortunate.

[Dana1963]

Just a few months ago eight members of the Yankees organization tested positive for Covid. Now six more players on the 25 man active roster have tested positive. Five of them had been vaccinated…
Florida reported 16,730 new cases July 16. As many will say SO WHAT.

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

Florida reported 16,730 new cases July 16. As many will say SO WHAT.

Yes - so what!

Family and friends have died of other threats - no one cares or obsesses about it. I sound like a broken record - but, my goodness - pick up the paper - everyone who has died - car accidents, suicide, cancer, heart attack, stroke, birth defects, abuse, domestic violence, neglect, ……. would switch places with one of those 16,730! In a heartbeat!

Put things in perspective.

[Swoop]

Really - this is big, old horrible news?

Ask people who are losing family and friends each and every day from a myriad of threats so much more worse than testing positive for Covid - I know many suffering right now who would switch places with these ball players and with people like you who think testing covid positive is the worse thing that can happen to anyone, sorry - it is not.

Goodness - you are one extremely fortunate individual - if the threat of covid is the biggest priority and fear you have in life. You are EXTREMELY fortunate.

I do not fear Covid. I chose not to get a vaccine that hasn’t undergone any long term testing. For me, the statistical odds of dying from Covid, given my health are 4/100’s of 1%.
I simply used the incident with the Yankees to show that the number brake out cases among vaccinated people may be much higher than we were led to believe.

[Bay Kid]

Do people still watch baseball?

[Petersweeney]

Pickle ball anyone?

[merrymini]

I am not vaccinated.
You can have my shot to donate to anyone you wish.
Getting or not getting the shot is my business, not yours.
Many vaccinated people get covid but that does not fit the narrative so, sssshhh.
Anyone who would believe the garbage coming from the government should have their head examined.

[fpmoravcik]

Do they still get $13K for each positive, even i they have been vaccinated? Cha Ching

[GrumpyOldMan]

What you are advocating is fascism. Who will be the arbiter of what is true and what is false? The government?

Sometimes they are the biggest liars. They lied about the origin of the virus, hydroxychloroquine, school closures and so much more.

Scientists and medical professionals disagree all the time. I want to be exposed to all arguments so I can decide what is in my best interest.

Sorry, no it is NOT fascism, it is the legal system. We already do this in other cases. A person can be charged for yelling fire in a theater.

Who will be the arbiter, the jury - American citizens. Not the government, which would be Fascism.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Yes - so what!

Family and friends have died of other threats - no one cares or obsesses about it. I sound like a broken record - but, my goodness - pick up the paper - everyone who has died - car accidents, suicide, cancer, heart attack, stroke, birth defects, abuse, domestic violence, neglect, ……. would switch places with one of those 16,730! In a heartbeat!

Put things in perspective.

None of the other causes of death you listed are contagious. My dying of any of those will not increase your chances of dying of them if we had been in contact. That is the perpeective.

[Gizemo33]

So what is your point??

[Gizemo33]

Misinformation!!!!
Not true
Not factual
Fact-check before posting
Read the CDC daily medical articles

[OhioBuckeye]

Look at who they have for a mayor, does it not surprise you!

[GATORBILL66]

Again who cares....damn yankees.

[Pat2015]

When media or influencers spread disinformation that can result in people losing their lives, I would like to see the AG begin investigations into these companies or individuals. And if it can be proven that the spreader KNEW it was false, then the AG should press charges amounting 1st degree murder.

Freedom of Speech does not extend to putting peoples lives in danger.

Maybe if a few people are held legally responsbile for the deaths they cause, others will start to think twice. At this point, spreading inflammatory disinformation has no consequences except to enrich the people spreading the lies.

Notice please, that I did not say which side is spreading the lies. If there is a lie being spread I don't care if it is FOX or CNN. If they know it is a lie, and it it puts peoples lives in danger, they should be prosecuted.

Spreading lies, disinformation, and murder charges? 😮 You do realize that what is deemed to be misinformation today might be proven factual tomorrow? Also, who decides what is disinformation or what studies and/or opinions everyone should follow? Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and this isn’t a communist country where the government or a private company decides what they want you to believe in, and other opinions are censored with threats of charges and imprisonment. Is this America or China???

[GrumpyOldMan]

Spreading lies, disinformation, and murder charges? 😮 You do realize that what is deemed to be misinformation today might be proven factual tomorrow? Also, who decides what is disinformation or what studies and/or opinions everyone should follow? Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and this isn’t a communist country where the government or a private company decides what they want you to believe in, and other opinions are censored with threats of charges and imprisonment. Is this America or China???

At NO point did I suggest that the government decide. I said, charge them with the crime of intentionally spreading false information that is known to result in people dying.

The charge is the key phrase, then have a trial and let the jury decide if there is sufficient evidence that they intentionally spread information that resulted in deaths.

That IS American, innocent until PROVEN innocent.

I have to ask, why are you so opposed to charging people with the crime of yelling fire in a theater?

[Pat2015]

At NO point did I suggest that the government decide. I said, charge them with the crime of intentionally spreading false information that is known to result in people dying.

The charge is the key phrase, then have a trial and let the jury decide if there is sufficient evidence that they intentionally spread information that resulted in deaths.

That IS American, innocent until PROVEN innocent.

I have to ask, why are you so opposed to charging people with the crime of yelling fire in a theater?

Who decides what is disinformation???? Charging people with crimes because they voiced their opinion or choose to believe in studies that the government or some other entity disagrees with? ������ What exactly is the charge? You do realize that it is the government that charges people, right? Yelling fire in a crowded theater isn’t the same as voicing an opinion that you might not agree with, and you want to charge people that don’t agree with you? God help us all if something like this ever came to pass as this America not China!

[butlerism]

Ditto.
I stopped watching MLB years ago, nowadays not worth it.
Look at the All Star Game.
All nonsense.

Want to have more fun, go watch the High School teams. Gets you out.
Even better go watch the Little Leaguers. All these pint sized "pro ball players".

You will have a great giggle

[MrFlorida]

Maybe they share the soap in the shower.

[jimjamuser]

A total of 14 positive cases among the players and staff and 13 were vaccinated!
O.K. 13 out of 14 that tested positive were vaccinated. What are the CORRECT conclusions to be taken from those facts? (1) The one person that did NOT get the vaccine was NOT too bright. He faces possible hospitalization and death and the other 13 do NOT. They face ONLY mild symptoms. They will be asymptomatic carriers and COULD (?) carry CV back to their families.

(2) The "COULD carry back" comes into play because the ONE unvaccinated individual and the 13 vaccinated players will have vastly different amounts of antibodies built up. The 13 vaccinated players will have much greater antibodies to defend against the VIRUS. If the ONE unvaccinated player avoids the hospital in the future he can still get another - possibly even worse bout of CV. My CONCLUSION is that all the factors of risk versus reward point in favor of getting the vaccine. NOT getting the vaccine puts fellow citizens and family in DANGER of being exposed to potentially risker and risker variants of CV. Why risk the future - yours and the nations?

[JMintzer]

Tell them to get the shots!!!!! Over paid brats!!

5 of the 6 were vaccinated...

Reading is fundamental...

[JMintzer]

Yes - so what!

Family and friends have died of other threats - no one cares or obsesses about it. I sound like a broken record - but, my goodness - pick up the paper - everyone who has died - car accidents, suicide, cancer, heart attack, stroke, birth defects, abuse, domestic violence, neglect, ……. would switch places with one of those 16,730! In a heartbeat!

Put things in perspective.

Great advice! Maybe you should take it...

No one suggested that this news was the worst thing ever...

It's obvious you're in pain right now and lashing out... Maybe it's a good idea to talk to someone about it...

[JMintzer]

Do they still get $13K for each positive, even i they have been vaccinated? Cha Ching

That was for hospitalizations... not simple positive tests...

[JMintzer]

At NO point did I suggest that the government decide. I said, charge them with the crime of intentionally spreading false information that is known to result in people dying.

The charge is the key phrase, then have a trial and let the jury decide if there is sufficient evidence that they intentionally spread information that resulted in deaths.

That IS American, innocent until PROVEN innocent.

I have to ask, why are you so opposed to charging people with the crime of yelling fire in a theater?

You most certainly did suggest that the government decide as it's the GOVERNMENT that will charge someone with a crime...

To compare yelling "fire in a theater" to giving an opinion on Covid is ludicrous, at best...

And finally, "That IS American, innocent until PROVEN innocent."

Say what???

[jimjamuser]

This is wildly wrong and irresponsible. It is the UNvaccinated population that is responsible for the major upswing in new cases, more deaths, and increasing the risk of new mutations. Yes, vaccinated people can "carry" the virus, and vaccinated people can get sick with it, and die from it. But 99% of the deaths are in unvaccinated people. No vaccine is 100% effective. The Covid vaccines are damn good and those who are refusing to get them, and those who cheer at political events in support of vaccine refusers are responsible for this mess starting up again. There is a big difference between freedom and freedumb. And the difference is killing people, again.
That IS one spectacularly great post. I liked the word, "freeDUMB"! Freedumb people are the reason we have speedbumps and laws to ENFORCE seat belt usage - to FORCE people to NOT do DUMB things. Humans may be yelling, " I have the right to freeDUMB" - AS THEY GO EXTINCT!!!!!!!!

[JMintzer]

O.K. 13 out of 14 that tested positive were vaccinated. What are the CORRECT conclusions to be taken from those facts? (1) The one person that did NOT get the vaccine was NOT too bright. He faces possible hospitalization and death and the other 13 do NOT. They face ONLY mild symptoms. They will be asymptomatic carriers and COULD (?) carry CV back to their families.

(2) The "COULD carry back" comes into play because the ONE unvaccinated individual and the 13 vaccinated players will have vastly different amounts of antibodies built up. The 13 vaccinated players will have much greater antibodies to defend against the VIRUS. If the ONE unvaccinated player avoids the hospital in the future he can still get another - possibly even worse bout of CV. My CONCLUSION is that all the factors of risk versus reward point in favor of getting the vaccine. NOT getting the vaccine puts fellow citizens and family in DANGER of being exposed to potentially risker and risker variants of CV. Why risk the future - yours and the nations?

Thank you Dr Fauci...

[Burgy]

As I read through the string there is a lot of misinformation. PLEASE PLEASE understand the covid vaccines DO NOT inject you with the virus. Laboratories synthesize from scratch Messinger RNA so your body is ready to fend the virus off should you be exposed. This is new technology. There are vaccines for other diseases that may inactivate a virus eg. you are injected with a dead virus so your body would fend off an infection. The difference has allowed the covid vaccines to be rapidly tested and approved rather than years for the other technology. Whoever quoted Scientific American is over readings and doesn't understand this and it's dangerous. The new vaccines are very safe and effective but the misinformation out there is killing people.
As far as the Yankees, I would suspect they haven't been fully vaccinated yet for who knows what reason, I would love to know why.signed Retired MD

[Burgy]

Read my post in section 4 why long term testing isn't being done. You're hiding behind old technology.

[Swoop]

As I read through the string there is a lot of misinformation. PLEASE PLEASE understand the covid vaccines DO NOT inject you with the virus. Laboratories synthesize from scratch Messinger RNA so your body is ready to fend the virus off should you be exposed. This is new technology. There are vaccines for other diseases that may inactivate a virus eg. you are injected with a dead virus so your body would fend off an infection. The difference has allowed the covid vaccines to be rapidly tested and approved rather than years for the other technology. Whoever quoted Scientific American is over readings and doesn't understand this and it's dangerous. The new vaccines are very safe and effective but the misinformation out there is killing people.
As far as the Yankees, I would suspect they haven't been fully vaccinated yet for who knows what reason, I would love to know why.signed Retired MD

13 of the 14 were fully vaccinated! I guess reading comprehension isn’t required in order to post on TOTV…

[GrumpyOldMan]

It seems consistent that we can not learn to disagree without insulting people. It used to be possible, too bad for the change.

[Michaellinda]

Just a few months ago eight members of the Yankees organization tested positive for Covid. Now six more players on the 25 man active roster have tested positive. Five of them had been vaccinated…

Last time it was the office staff.

[Swoop]

It seems consistent that we can not learn to disagree without insulting people. It used to be possible, too bad for the change.
There is a huge difference between disagreeing and not comprehending the written word. Three separate times someone posted that it was the player’s fault for not being vaccinated. Three times I reposted that they had been vaccinated. The forth time I wasn’t as polite…
It wasn’t because of difference of opinion…

[Swoop]

Last time it was the office staff.

Actually it was both staff and a coach. The first time they originally announced that there were 9 positives that included a player, but that turned out to be a false positive.
All eight members of the Yankees organization that tested positive were fully vaccinated.
Five of the six players in the latest outbreak were also fully vaccinated.

[GrumpyOldMan]

There is a huge difference between disagreeing and not comprehending the written word. Three separate times someone posted that it was the player’s fault for not being vaccinated. Three times I reposted that they had been vaccinated. The forth time I wasn’t as polite…
It wasn’t because of difference of opinion…

I understand it can be very frustrating when it seems people intentionally misunderstand things. I feel that. I was just mentioning to my wife this morning about maybe taking a break for a little while because my frustration level is growing,

We'll see. I will try hard to not be rude.

[jimjamuser]

Sorry, no it is NOT fascism, it is the legal system. We already do this in other cases. A person can be charged for yelling fire in a theater.

Who will be the arbiter, the jury - American citizens. Not the government, which would be Fascism.
That IS a perfect example.....yelling fire in a movie when there is NO fire - is an example of EXTREME disinformation. Enough disinformation, even in small doses, leads to propaganda, which is a DEMOCRACY destroyer. Are we there yet???????

[stanley]

That IS a perfect example.....yelling fire in a movie when there is NO fire - is an example of EXTREME disinformation. Enough disinformation, even in small doses, leads to propaganda, which is a DEMOCRACY destroyer. Are we there yet???????

America is "supposed" to be a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy
(notice no capital d, it doesn't deserve it).
And anyone that thinks America has not been propagandized, hasn't been paying attention.

[Pat2015]

Yes, I agree. That would be great!
You agree that people should be prosecuted for posting their opinions (in this case regarding vaccines) that the government or another entity believes is disinformation? You do realize that what someone might deem disinformation today, could be proven to be true on another day? Also, last I checked we live in the United States of America, not communist China where you round up people because you don’t agree with what they say, and you censure/block people’s opinions and research to suit what you want them to know and believe. I wouldn’t want to live in a place like that.

[Herscheleen]

Getting vaccinated doesn't keep you from catching covid19, if you get covid it will keep you out of the hospital & from DYING from it. You will have a milder form of it. Wearing a mask and distancing will help you to not get covid.

[golfing eagles]

Getting vaccinated doesn't keep you from catching covid19, if you get covid it will keep you out of the hospital & from DYING from it. You will have a milder form of it. Wearing a mask and distancing will help you to not get covid.

Anytime you would like to cite a legitimate reference that supports that more than 0.007% of fully vaccinated individuals can "get COVID", I'm all ears

[Swoop]

Anytime you would like to cite a legitimate reference that supports that more than 0.007% of fully vaccinated individuals can "get COVID", I'm all ears

The Yankees have 25 players on their active roster. Six were just diagnosed with Covid, five were fully vaccinated. That’s a small sample, but that’s 20% - a huge difference between 20% and 0.007%. All but one had no symptoms. But per protocol, they are still tested regularly. That’s how they were found to be positive. The vast majority of people who have received the vaccine are not tested regularly, especially when they have absolutely no symptoms. So, how do we know the actual number of breakthrough cases?

[GrumpyOldMan]

The Yankees have 25 players on their active roster. Six were just diagnosed with Covid, five were fully vaccinated. That’s a small sample, but that’s 20% - a huge difference between 20% and 0.007%. All but one had no symptoms. But per protocol, they are still tested regularly. That’s how they were found to be positive. The vast majority of people who have received the vaccine are not tested regularly, especially when they have absolutely no symptoms. So, how do we know the actual number of breakthrough cases?

We can never KNOW precisely. I am certain that people who could answer your question are working their butts off to figure out the answer, or to at least get close.

[George Page]

I am not vaccinated.
You can have my shot to donate to anyone you wish.
Getting or not getting the shot is my business, not yours.
Many vaccinated people get covid but that does not fit the narrative so, sssshhh.
Anyone who would believe the garbage coming from the government should have their head examined.

It appears to be a certainty that getting vaccinated is the socially responsible thing to do. So was wearing a mask during the pandemic peak.

[NYCAROL]

Sorry to disappoint you but I have been a NY Yankee fan all of my life so your statement that everyone hates the Yankees is not true.

[Nucky]

WHO CARES? If they are not vaccinated they have made their choice. Nobody cares anymore. Ignore the media, they are just trying to scare you. On top of that, it is the Yankees so nobody who matters cares anyway. Everyone hates the Yankees

I think you misunderstood. We are talking about the most valuable sports franchise in the world. Or it was. Not a bunch of people who wear rat bait on their heads. I’ll be a Yankee fan until they bury or burn me up. Got it Cheesehead? Lol.

What a shame about the players who suffer. I would think people would have mercy on them and not be taking shots at them. Whatever. Hope you and everyone you are associated with stay healthy. If not let us know. We’ll pray for them or support you, no shots will be taken. Later Hater, I mean Later Gator.

Who cares anyway? I do. Villagers Lives and Opinions Matter. Swiss Head! Lol

[Sheltie-Lover]

So sorry to hear about your mom. My condolences to you and your family. I believe, however, the 610,000 people who died from Covid would differ with your statement.

[nick demis]

Just a few months ago eight members of the Yankees organization tested positive for Covid. Now six more players on the 25 man active roster have tested positive. Five of them had been vaccinated…

It appears that you can test positive even if you have DEAD covid cells in your system. I guess this means the whole system is faulty.

[golfing eagles]

The Yankees have 25 players on their active roster. Six were just diagnosed with Covid, five were fully vaccinated. That’s a small sample, but that’s 20% - a huge difference between 20% and 0.007%. All but one had no symptoms. But per protocol, they are still tested regularly. That’s how they were found to be positive. The vast majority of people who have received the vaccine are not tested regularly, especially when they have absolutely no symptoms. So, how do we know the actual number of breakthrough cases?

Well, the 0.007% number is from the CDC. The 20% number is an extrapolation of rumor on social media. I think I'll go with the CDC.

Now, off the record and just an opinion, maybe not even one I would give professionally, I wonder if there is a problem with the test. Also, could the vaccine, which codes for the spike protein, cause enough B cell activity to turn the test positive. And then maybe some of the players had exposure just prior to vaccination. And again, a positive test is not a "case", I don't think any of these rumored cases was sick.

[GeriS]

Something has got to be screwy with the testing...
You think???? I've seen videos of boxes of test swabs that say either positive or negative. Think they are deciding the outcome? Do your research. This is going to be biblical.

[GeriS]

Well, the 0.007% number is from the CDC. The 20% number is an extrapolation of rumor on social media. I think I'll go with the CDC.

Now, off the record and just an opinion, maybe not even one I would give professionally, I wonder if there is a problem with the test. Also, could the vaccine, which codes for the spike protein, cause enough B cell activity to turn the test positive. And then maybe some of the players had exposure just prior to vaccination. And again, a positive test is not a "case", I don't think any of these rumored cases was sick.
You are right on. Why are there patents on viruses? You cannot patent something that occurs naturally in nature, therefore this was not natural. Do your research.

[Swoop]

Well, the 0.007% number is from the CDC. The 20% number is an extrapolation of rumor on social media. I think I'll go with the CDC.

Now, off the record and just an opinion, maybe not even one I would give professionally, I wonder if there is a problem with the test. Also, could the vaccine, which codes for the spike protein, cause enough B cell activity to turn the test positive. And then maybe some of the players had exposure just prior to vaccination. And again, a positive test is not a "case", I don't think any of these rumored cases was sick.
This is not a “rumor on social media” the positive tests were reported by every major news network. All six were also retested and confirmed positive.
Two months ago, eight members of the Yankees travel team and coaching staff, who were fully vaccinated, tested positive. One required hospitalization. In order for the 0.007% figure that you provided to truly work, the Yankees would have to have had 114,286 coaches and members of the traveling team…

[golfing eagles]

You are right on. Why are there patents on viruses? You cannot patent something that occurs naturally in nature, therefore this was not natural. Do your research.

You have a legitimate source that states the actual COVID-19 virus was PATENTED?????

If so, that would be quite a game changer.

[GeriS]

This is wildly wrong and irresponsible. It is the UNvaccinated population that is responsible for the major upswing in new cases, more deaths, and increasing the risk of new mutations. Yes, vaccinated people can "carry" the virus, and vaccinated people can get sick with it, and die from it. But 99% of the deaths are in unvaccinated people. No vaccine is 100% effective. The Covid vaccines are damn good and those who are refusing to get them, and those who cheer at political events in support of vaccine refusers are responsible for this mess starting up again. There is a big difference between freedom and freedumb. And the difference is killing people, again.
You need to do your research. Everything you said is backwards. The vaccinated are shedding the spike protein. Many drs. are saying blood clots are developing in the vaxxed. Yes, it is my body, my choice & I choose not to be experimented on & if you would stop listening to the msm & research you will find what is real.

[golfing eagles]

This is not a “rumor on social media” the positive tests were reported by every major news network. All six were also retested and confirmed positive.
Two months ago, eight members of the Yankees travel team and coaching staff, who were fully vaccinated, tested positive. One required hospitalization. In order for the 0.007% figure that you provided to truly work, the Yankees would have to have had 114,286 coaches and members of the traveling team…

I did not "provide" the 0.007% figure, the CDC did. Go argue with them

[GeriS]

Tell them to get the shots!!!!! Over paid brats!!
Why do they have to get the shots? Maybe they chose not to be an experiment. If it is so great, why are they bribing people who know the truth to get it? Maybe you should check what is in it, how long ago this was planned and who is becoming rich over this.

[GeriS]

As I read through the string there is a lot of misinformation. PLEASE PLEASE understand the covid vaccines DO NOT inject you with the virus. Laboratories synthesize from scratch Messinger RNA so your body is ready to fend the virus off should you be exposed. This is new technology. There are vaccines for other diseases that may inactivate a virus eg. you are injected with a dead virus so your body would fend off an infection. The difference has allowed the covid vaccines to be rapidly tested and approved rather than years for the other technology. Whoever quoted Scientific American is over readings and doesn't understand this and it's dangerous. The new vaccines are very safe and effective but the misinformation out there is killing people.
As far as the Yankees, I would suspect they haven't been fully vaccinated yet for who knows what reason, I would love to know why.signed Retired MD
If they are so safe, how come more people have died from it that all vaccines ever?

[golfing eagles]

You think???? I've seen videos of boxes of test swabs that say either positive or negative. Think they are deciding the outcome? Do your research. This is going to be biblical.

You are right on. Why are there patents on viruses? You cannot patent something that occurs naturally in nature, therefore this was not natural. Do your research.

You need to do your research. Everything you said is backwards. The vaccinated are shedding the spike protein. Many drs. are saying blood clots are developing in the vaxxed. Yes, it is my body, my choice & I choose not to be experimented on & if you would stop listening to the msm & research you will find what is real.

Why do they have to get the shots? Maybe they chose not to be an experiment. If it is so great, why are they bribing people who know the truth to get it? Maybe you should check what is in it, how long ago this was planned and who is becoming rich over this.

C ommie D isinformation C ommittee

If they are so safe, how come more people have died from it that all vaccines ever?

That's quite a lot of "research". Could you please cite the legitimate sources for these assertions? BTW, "Conspiracy Theory Weekly" is NOT a legitimate source:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bill14564]

C ommie D isinformation C ommittee

Incredible irony considering your many recent posts.

[Bill14564]

This is not a “rumor on social media” the positive tests were reported by every major news network. All six were also retested and confirmed positive.
Two months ago, eight members of the Yankees travel team and coaching staff, who were fully vaccinated, tested positive. One required hospitalization. In order for the 0.007% figure that you provided to truly work, the Yankees would have to have had 114,286 coaches and members of the traveling team…

Poor attempt at statistics. The 0.007% was calculated across all those who were vaccinated, not just those associated with the Yankees.

WRONG: Every vaccinated person who develops a breakthrough case must have 14,286 family members who did not get sick. Therefore, since eight Yankees became infected there must be 114,286 Yankees that did not.

RIGHT: About one out of every 14,286 vaccinated individuals will develop a symptomatic breakthrough case.

[Swoop]

I did not "provide" the 0.007% figure, the CDC did. Go argue with them

You “provided” the 0.007% figure to this discussion. I did not confirm that was the CDC’s 0.007% figure.

Assuming you “provided” the correct number from the CDC, then there appears to be a significant difference between what they are reporting and what is actually occurring…

[Swoop]

Poor attempt at statistics. The 0.007% was calculated across all those who were vaccinated, not just those associated with the Yankees.

WRONG: Every vaccinated person who develops a breakthrough case must have 14,286 family members who did not get sick. Therefore, since eight Yankees became infected there must be 114,286 Yankees that did not.

RIGHT: About one out of every 14,286 vaccinated individuals will develop a symptomatic breakthrough case.

The Yankee players are tested for Covid a minimum of every other day, from the beginning of Spring training until the end of the post season.
Of the millions of those vaccinated, how many are tested at that frequency level - without any symptoms?
Which should make you wonder, how many breakout cases are never diagnosed?

[Bill14564]

The Yankee players are tested for Covid a minimum of every other day, from the beginning of Spring training until the end of the post season.
Of the millions of those vaccinated, how many are tested at that frequency level - without any symptoms?
Which should make you wonder, how many breakout cases are never diagnosed?

Or it makes you wonder whether these are truly cases or if you look hard enough you can find whatever you want to find. This is the reason the CDC stopped counting positive test results and now are counting hospitalizations and deaths. Even in the trials the criteria was symptomatic illness, not look-until-you-find-something positive test results.

[graciegirl]

I am not vaccinated.
You can have my shot to donate to anyone you wish.
Getting or not getting the shot is my business, not yours.
Many vaccinated people get covid but that does not fit the narrative so, sssshhh.
Anyone who would believe the garbage coming from the government should have their head examined.

I am sorry you are not vaccinated. I hope you are not old and more vulnerable to death from Covid-19. It is your business to be sure.

I am beginning to think that the Delta variant may be infecting some people who are vaccinated. It will be important to know if the vaccine protected them from getting a "full strength" case, WHEN THE FIGURES are run.

Will "they" find that the vaccine protected people from serious illness from the Delta Variant?

A lot of people are now having "cold" symptoms including us three. Is that the Delta Variant? We are all vaccinated.

[golfing eagles]

I am sorry you are not vaccinated. I hope you are not old and more vulnerable to death from Covid-19. It is your business to be sure.

I am beginning to think that the Delta variant may be infecting some people who are vaccinated. It will be important to know if the vaccine protected them from getting a "full strength" case, WHEN THE FIGURES are run.

Will "they" find that the vaccine protected people from serious illness from the Delta Variant?

A lot of people are now having "cold" symptoms including us three.
Is that the Delta Variant? We are all vaccinated.

Or a new variant yet to be identified? Neither this pandemic or the learning curve is over quite yet

[Swoop]

Or it makes you wonder whether these are truly cases or if you look hard enough you can find whatever you want to find. This is the reason the CDC stopped counting positive test results and now are counting hospitalizations and deaths. Even in the trials the criteria was symptomatic illness, not look-until-you-find-something positive test results.
Do you really think the Yankees would quarantine multi million dollar ball players if they weren’t “truly” cases?!? 10 days off with pay for no reason?!? They are more throughly tested for Covid than most humans on the planet.
And I didn’t have to “look-until-I-found-something”, it has been reported by every major news outlet in the US!

[JMintzer]

Do you really think the Yankees would quarantine multi million dollar ball players if they weren’t “truly” cases?!? 10 days off with pay for no reason?!? They are more throughly tested for Covid than most humans on the planet.
And I didn’t have to “look-until-I-found-something”, it has been reported by every major news outlet in the US!

It's not the Yankees call... It's MLB who are setting the rules and pulling the strings...

[Bill14564]

Do you really think the Yankees would quarantine multi million dollar ball players if they weren’t “truly” cases?!? 10 days off with pay for no reason?!? They are more throughly tested for Covid than most humans on the planet.
And I didn’t have to “look-until-I-found-something”, it has been reported by every major news outlet in the US!

Do I really think..... Yes. I have no doubt that the Yankees, Olympics, or any other organization would absolutely quarantine anyone who has a positive test. No question about it. What is in question is whether a positive test truly means a case.

And you misunderstood "look-until-you-find-domething." I wasn't referring to you personally, I was referring to the testing protocol. How many of those "cases" identified when "they are more thoroughly tested for Covid than most humans on the planet" were found in healthy people who showed no signs of infection? How many vaccinated folks walking around every day would be identified as a "case" if they had to undergo that level of testing? If you test enough then you are sure to find what you are looking for. The question should be, does a positive test indicate an infection to be concerned about or are the tests so sensitive that they are finding "cases" that aren't really cases at all?

[Swoop]

Do I really think..... Yes. I have no doubt that the Yankees, Olympics, or any other organization would absolutely quarantine anyone who has a positive test. No question about it. What is in question is whether a positive test truly means a case.

And you misunderstood "look-until-you-find-domething." I wasn't referring to you personally, I was referring to the testing protocol. How many of those "cases" identified when "they are more thoroughly tested for Covid than most humans on the planet" were found in healthy people who showed no signs of infection? How many vaccinated folks walking around every day would be identified as a "case" if they had to undergo that level of testing? If you test enough then you are sure to find what you are looking for. The question should be, does a positive test indicate an infection to be concerned about or are the tests so sensitive that they are finding "cases" that aren't really cases at all?
So you’re suggesting that the testing is flawed, because the results do not coincide with the information provided by the CDC?
What should be way more concerning is that those who received the vaccine are much more likely to become infected with Covid than we have been lead to believe.

[golfing eagles]

So you’re suggesting that the testing is flawed, because the results do not coincide with the information provided by the CDC?
What should be way more concerning is that those who received the vaccine are much more likely to become infected with Covid than we have been lead to believe.

And sadly, either theory could be correct. But for now I'm more willing to believe the CDC is truthful than part of some conspiracy plot. But the final chapter is yet to be written

[Bill14564]

So you’re suggesting that the testing is flawed, because the results do not coincide with the information provided by the CDC?
What should be way more concerning is that those who received the vaccine are much more likely to become infected with Covid than we have been lead to believe.

You are assuming that those who generate a positive test are "infected with Covid," I do not. I assume the tests have been tweaked to be extremely sensitive and are picking up "infections" where there are none.

In a world where there is no protection from the disease and people are contagious before they are symptomatic then you want to find infections before they occur. You want to err on the side of caution and quarantine people who have even a remote chance of becoming contagious rather than taking the risk that they might infect someone else. You make the test as sensitive as possible, test everyone, and then react with an abundance of caution.

The CDC has not said that if all vaccinated people were tested weekly only 0.007% of them would test positive. The CDC has reported that out of 150,000,000+ vaccinated people, only 5,500 have been hospitalized or died.

[joe & kathy]

Thats NY FOR YOU

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

Great advice! Maybe you should take it...

No one suggested that this news was the worst thing ever...


Who am I lashing out at? :-). I am simply just wondering why Yankees testing positive is such big news? You can stress about it - but, in the big picture of life - it really is a very, very, tiny piece of news - news that I guess would only be of interest to Yankee fans for some reason. If the members of my favorite sports team all tested positive - I’d say - ‘so what?’ - if they were experiencing health issues - then, I would hope they’d seek help and feel better soon (my sentiment would be the same if they experience any health issue - or personal tragedy)

I am going out to enjoy the day and spend time with friends and family - especially those that might need an extra smile or just need someone who can be there when they are experiencing an issue that, in my personal opinion - is more significant than stressing about the Yankees testing positive for Covid.

[Swoop]

And sadly, either theory could be correct. But for now I'm more willing to believe the CDC is truthful than part of some conspiracy plot. But the final chapter is yet to be written

I’m not suggesting a “conspiracy plot”. But I am suggesting that every other day testing will provide more accurate results than the collective results of a theoretical model. I would guess that only a very small percentage of the general public who have been vaccinated have be tested, post vaccination. If what we have been told is true, then the vast number of those vaccinated who acquire Covid would be not be symptomatic, and therefore would not require testing and would never know that they had Covid…

[golfing eagles]

I’m not suggesting a “conspiracy plot”. But I am suggesting that every other day testing will provide more accurate results than the collective results of a theoretical model. I would guess that only a very small percentage of the general public who have been vaccinated have be tested, post vaccination. If what we have been told is true, then the vast number of those vaccinated who acquire Covid would be not be symptomatic, and therefore would not require testing and would never know that they had Covid…

Sorry---that was someone else who was a conspiracy theorist. But this now begs the question----what does a positive test in a vaccinated individual really mean? The test may be picking up a leftover viral fragment which is known to happen. If the person is not "infected", then they are not spewing virus in a cloud around them, and therefore no threat to anyone, which in turn makes it ridiculous to quarantine them.

[Swoop]

Sorry---that was someone else who was a conspiracy theorist. But this now begs the question----what does a positive test in a vaccinated individual really mean? The test may be picking up a leftover viral fragment which is known to happen. If the person is not "infected", then they are not spewing virus in a cloud around them, and therefore no threat to anyone, which in turn makes it ridiculous to quarantine them.

So, if they are tested every other day, why would the leftover viral fragments not have triggered a positive in an earlier test? Why would six players test positive on the same day? And why would they get a conformation of the positive results in a subsequent test?

[jimjamuser]

Or a new variant yet to be identified? Neither this pandemic or the learning curve is over quite yet
Finally, a statement that I CAN agree with! Amazing!

[La lamy]

Just makes me continue to believe in social distancing. There will always be some kind of disease that will find a way to breakthrough our "vaccines". There has been talk about the age of superbugs coming upon us for a while and I'm afraid we may be there.

[jimjamuser]

So you’re suggesting that the testing is flawed, because the results do not coincide with the information provided by the CDC?
What should be way more concerning is that those who received the vaccine are much more likely to become infected with Covid than we have been lead to believe.
What SHOULD be more "CONCERNING" is that disinformation is being spread about internally in the US trying to CONFUSE people that are making a basic life (or death) decision as to whether to get the vaccine or NOT. Small statistical examples (like a well-known baseball team) are manipulated to reach a PREDETERMINED conclusion.

A BETTER example to make the risk versus reward decision about getting the vaccine is the REAL-LIFE example currently in the news from Missouri. The hospitals in Springfield, Mo.are currently filled up with CV patients on LIFE SUPPORT equipment. Close to 100% of CV patients in Missouri are UN-vaccinated. The UN-vaccinated are gasping for breath on oxygen equipment - while the VACCINATED Missouri residents are going to work and living their lives. It is an easy decision - get a vaccine or take a chance on suffering desperately in a hospital. It is NOT a difficult decision. Don't be confused by disinformation purveyors!

[roscoguy]

What is in question is whether a positive test truly means a case.
Here's the CDC's criteria : "Defining a vaccine breakthrough infection

For the purpose of this surveillance, a vaccine breakthrough infection is defined as the detection of SARS-CoV-2 RNA or antigen in a respiratory specimen collected from a person ≥14 days after they have completed all recommended doses of a U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-authorized COVID-19 vaccine."
COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html)

How many vaccinated folks walking around every day would be identified as a "case" if they had to undergo that level of testing?
That's why the CDC quit reporting breakthrough cases & transitioned to only counting deaths and hospitalizations among the vaccinated. There is just no way to know how many non-symptomatic cases there are without testing every vaccinated person.

The question should be, does a positive test indicate an infection to be concerned about or are the tests so sensitive that they are finding "cases" that aren't really cases at all?
Well, "cases" that aren't infectious anyway.

[Pat2015]

So, if they are tested every other day, why would the leftover viral fragments not have triggered a positive in an earlier test? Why would six players test positive on the same day? And why would they get a conformation of the positive results in a subsequent test?
No one knows how many fully vaccinated people have gotten Covid or has it right now since most people are not being tested. The ongoing clinical study as to efficiencies and long term effects of the vaccines are unknown and vaccinated people will continue to be tracked for stat purposes to see the effects of the vaccines for a long time to come.

[drducat]

Sorry---that was someone else who was a conspiracy theorist. But this now begs the question----what does a positive test in a vaccinated individual really mean? The test may be picking up a leftover viral fragment which is known to happen. If the person is not "infected", then they are not spewing virus in a cloud around them, and therefore no threat to anyone, which in turn makes it ridiculous to quarantine them.

It only means that they are carriers and asymptomatic as I have been shot down on before. This vaccine is only B cell immunity...not T cell....which is full immune. Also.....

"This Is Worrying Me Quite A Bit": mRNA Vaccine Inventor Shares Viral Thread Showing COVID Surge In Most-Vaxxed Countries


"This Is Worrying Me Quite A Bit": mRNA Vaccine Inventor Shares Viral Thread Showing COVID Surge In Most-Vaxxed Countries | ZeroHedge (https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/worrying-me-quite-bit-mrna-vaccine-inventor-shares-viral-thread-showing-covid-surge-most)

Follow the links inside to the tweets if you want to know..

[Burgy]

Geri is in fantasy land

[Burgy]

And where does that info come from?

[drducat]

And where does that info come from?


Robert W Malone, MD
@RWMaloneMD
Inventor of mRNA vaccines and RNA as a drug, Bench to Bedside vaccines and biologics consulting.

[bmit16]

There is never any mention of the millions of people who had covid and have the anti bodies. In fact, there have been 71 confirmed reinfections of these people, in contrast, over 100,000 people have contracted covid after being vaccinated and 1000 of them have died. Why does the government not put this vital information in their push to get people vaccinated? Perhaps we should follow the money to see who in Washington is benefiting financially from vaccinations. If you have not had covid and you have not been vaccinated, then you should probably consider a vaccination. But the people who have been confirmed to have had covid, should get the same pass as a vaccinated person who in fact is more vulnerable.

[drducat]

There is never any mention of the millions of people who had covid and have the anti bodies. In fact, there have been 71 confirmed reinfections of these people, in contrast, over 100,000 people have contracted covid after being vaccinated and 1000 of them have died. Why does the government not put this vital information in their push to get people vaccinated? Perhaps we should follow the money to see who in Washington is benefiting financially from vaccinations. If you have not had covid and you have not been vaccinated, then you should probably consider a vaccination. But the people who have been confirmed to have had covid, should get the same pass as a vaccinated person who in fact is more vulnerable.

100% agree and those that did take the jab end up destroying the natural immunities and replace with much weaker.

[drducat]

Robert W Malone, MD
@RWMaloneMD
Inventor of mRNA vaccines and RNA as a drug, Bench to Bedside vaccines and biologics consulting.

Just interviewed.

Dr Robert Malones Comments the Current Covid Crisis - July 17, 2021 . NewsVoice.se (https://rumble.com/vjywck-dr-robert-malones-comments-the-current-covid-crisis-july-17-2021-.-newsvoic.html)

[blueash]

It only means that they are carriers and asymptomatic as I have been shot down on before. This vaccine is only B cell immunity...not T cell....which is full immune. Also.....

..

Once again you are wrong. Whatever sources you are using are wrong. The mRNA vaccines have been shown to induce both B cell and T cell immunity.

Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines induce T-cell immunity against SARS-CoV-2 (https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210505/PfizerBioNTech-and-Moderna-vaccines-induce-T-cell-immunity-against-SARS-CoV-2.aspx#:~:text=Researchers%20in%20the%20United%20S tates,2019%20(COVID%2D19)).

The researchers – from Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School in Boston – report that the T-cell response increased significantly from baseline after just one vaccine dose. After a second dose, the response was more potent than in a convalescent cohort.

Do you see that? The vaccine induced a more vigorous T cell response than having the disease produced? Of course it was Harvard and MIT so it is all part of the conspiracy of institutions of higher education in that liberal state of Massachusetts. You might not believe what they report.
Maybe you would believe a report from 2020 in the journal Nature from British researchers who reported about the AZ vaccine
The vaccine was tolerated, with induction of neutralizing antibodies and antigen-specific T cells against the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.

You again are wrong and spreading dangerous misinformation. By the way, Dr. Malone certainly is not the inventor of mRNA vaccines. He was a participant, not the leader, in some studies in the 1990's on mRNA. He never produced a vaccine. The person credited with in fact doing the heavy lifting in promoting use of mRNA is Katalin Kariko. The only "authority" who credits Dr. Malone, is Dr. Malone on his own website. You can read his opinions on Epoch Times where he is a featured person. So Harvard, MIT, the journal Nature vs Epoch Times.

You still have not answered my query as to what kind of doctor drducat might be. Maybe one of the alternative fields? Maybe not even any training in medicine.. like Dr Dre or Dr J?

[Bill14564]

There is never any mention of the millions of people who had covid and have the anti bodies. In fact, there have been 71 confirmed reinfections of these people, in contrast, over 100,000 people have contracted covid after being vaccinated and 1000 of them have died. Why does the government not put this vital information in their push to get people vaccinated? Perhaps we should follow the money to see who in Washington is benefiting financially from vaccinations. If you have not had covid and you have not been vaccinated, then you should probably consider a vaccination. But the people who have been confirmed to have had covid, should get the same pass as a vaccinated person who in fact is more vulnerable.

Where did you find this information?

[jimjamuser]

100% agree and those that did take the jab end up destroying the natural immunities and replace with much weaker.
That statement IS NOT true!

[jimjamuser]

Once again you are wrong. Whatever sources you are using are wrong. The mRNA vaccines have been shown to induce both B cell and T cell immunity.

Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines induce T-cell immunity against SARS-CoV-2 (https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210505/PfizerBioNTech-and-Moderna-vaccines-induce-T-cell-immunity-against-SARS-CoV-2.aspx#:~:text=Researchers%20in%20the%20United%20S tates,2019%20(COVID%2D19)).



Do you see that? The vaccine induced a more vigorous T cell response than having the disease produced? Of course it was Harvard and MIT so it is all part of the conspiracy of institutions of higher education in that liberal state of Massachusetts. You might not believe what they report.
Maybe you would believe a report from 2020 in the journal Nature from British researchers who reported about the AZ vaccine


You again are wrong and spreading dangerous misinformation. By the way, Dr. Malone certainly is not the inventor of mRNA vaccines. He was a participant, not the leader, in some studies in the 1990's on mRNA. He never produced a vaccine. The person credited with in fact doing the heavy lifting in promoting use of mRNA is Katalin Kariko. The only "authority" who credits Dr. Malone, is Dr. Malone on his own website. You can read his opinions on Epoch Times where he is a featured person. So Harvard, MIT, the journal Nature vs Epoch Times.

You still have not answered my query as to what kind of doctor drducat might be. Maybe one of the alternative fields? Maybe not even any training in medicine.. like Dr Dre or Dr J?
Great, knowledgeable information!

[drducat]

Once again you are wrong. Whatever sources you are using are wrong. The mRNA vaccines have been shown to induce both B cell and T cell immunity.

What do the authors advise?
“We demonstrate reduced T-cell responses in vaccinated individuals to SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern,” writes Maus and colleagues.

The researchers say the decrease in T-cell response to the variants was smaller than has been observed in antibody neutralization assays.

“However, it will be important to determine how T-cell immunity impacts aggregate immune response to the variant SARS-CoV-2 viruses and if this reduction translates to adverse clinical outcomes,” concludes the team.

Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines induce T-cell immunity against SARS-CoV-2 (https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210505/PfizerBioNTech-and-Moderna-vaccines-induce-T-cell-immunity-against-SARS-CoV-2.aspx#:~:text=Researchers%20in%20the%20United%20S tates,2019%20(COVID%2D19)).



Do you see that? The vaccine induced a more vigorous T cell response than having the disease produced? Of course it was Harvard and MIT so it is all part of the conspiracy of institutions of higher education in that liberal state of Massachusetts. You might not believe what they report.
Maybe you would believe a report from 2020 in the journal Nature from British researchers who reported about the AZ vaccine


You again are wrong and spreading dangerous misinformation. By the way, Dr. Malone certainly is not the inventor of mRNA vaccines. He was a participant, not the leader, in some studies in the 1990's on mRNA. He never produced a vaccine. The person credited with in fact doing the heavy lifting in promoting use of mRNA is Katalin Kariko. The only "authority" who credits Dr. Malone, is Dr. Malone on his own website. You can read his opinions on Epoch Times where he is a featured person. So Harvard, MIT, the journal Nature vs Epoch Times.

You still have not answered my query as to what kind of doctor drducat might be. Maybe one of the alternative fields? Maybe not even any training in medicine.. like Dr Dre or Dr J?

Did you miss something??

What do the authors advise?
“We demonstrate reduced T-cell responses in vaccinated individuals to SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern,” writes Maus and colleagues.

The researchers say the decrease in T-cell response to the variants was smaller than has been observed in antibody neutralization assays.

“However, it will be important to determine how T-cell immunity impacts aggregate immune response to the variant SARS-CoV-2 viruses and if this reduction translates to adverse clinical outcomes,” concludes the team.

*Important Notice
bioRxiv publishes preliminary scientific reports that are not peer-reviewed and, therefore, should not be regarded as conclusive, guide clinical practice/health-related behavior, or treated as established information.

[drducat]

That statement IS NOT true!

I suggest looking for newer info:bigbow:

[drducat]

I suggest looking for newer info:bigbow:


If anyone feels compelled to take the jab and upcoming boosters go for it...meanwhile wait and see is also available....

[JMintzer]

Who am I lashing out at? :-). I am simply just wondering why Yankees testing positive is such big news? You can stress about it - but, in the big picture of life - it really is a very, very, tiny piece of news - news that I guess would only be of interest to Yankee fans for some reason. If the members of my favorite sports team all tested positive - I’d say - ‘so what?’ - if they were experiencing health issues - then, I would hope they’d seek help and feel better soon (my sentiment would be the same if they experience any health issue - or personal tragedy)

I am going out to enjoy the day and spend time with friends and family - especially those that might need an extra smile or just need someone who can be there when they are experiencing an issue that, in my personal opinion - is more significant than stressing about the Yankees testing positive for Covid.

Why is it "Big News"?

Oh, I dunno... Probably the same reason Britney Spears is in the news... Or any celebrity, for that matter...

And who are you lashing out at? Re-read your posts...

[JMintzer]

Finally, a statement that I CAN agree with! Amazing!

Oh, no! It's the "Tri-Delt' variant!!! It causes everyone to look exactly the same!

https://wwwdev.tridelta.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/motherdaughter.jpg

[CFrance]

Oh, no! It's the "Tri-Delt' variant!!! It causes everyone to look exactly the same!

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/clear.gif
I wouldn't mind...

[coffeebean]

I do not fear Covid. I chose not to get a vaccine that hasn’t undergone any long term testing. For me, the statistical odds of dying from Covid, given my health are 4/100’s of 1%.
I simply used the incident with the Yankees to show that the number brake out cases among vaccinated people may be much higher than we were led to believe.

Well, there is your first mistake. As an un-vaccinated individual, you SHOULD fear Covid. You are not invisible.

[coffeebean]

I am not vaccinated.
You can have my shot to donate to anyone you wish.
Getting or not getting the shot is my business, not yours.
Many vaccinated people get covid but that does not fit the narrative so, sssshhh.
Anyone who would believe the garbage coming from the government should have their head examined.
Getting or not getting the shot is certainly EVERYONE'S business. The way out of this pandemic is for a high percentage of our population to be either vaccinated or succumb to the disease. Vaccination is the safe way so it stands to reason, the more people vaccinated, we, as a population, have the ability to reach herd immunity. More people like you is NOT what we need.

Anyone who believes the garbage coming from conspiracy theorists should have their head examined.

[stanley]

Anyone who believes the garbage coming from conspiracy theorists should have their head examined.

Right...........I'll make an appointment with a shrink tomorrow. :ohdear:

[coffeebean]

All I am going to say....

Holy cow! How did you do that?

[drducat]

Holy cow! How did you do that?

That was before I changed my mind:popcorn:

[coffeebean]

that's quite a lot of "research". Could you please cite the legitimate sources for these assertions? Btw, "conspiracy theory weekly" is not a legitimate source:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

bingo!

[Swoop]

Well, there is your first mistake. As an un-vaccinated individual, you SHOULD fear Covid. You are not invisible.

Do you live in fear of driving a car, or walking in a thunderstorm, or succumbing to any other accidental death? Because based on the current death rate, your odds are greater of dying in an accident than they are of dying from Covid. And given my age & health, my odds are 4/100’s of 1%. So, I repeat, I do not fear dying from Covid.

[Tim C.]

Happy when anything bad happens to the Yankees

[JMintzer]

Happy when anything bad happens to the Yankees

Only thing worse than a Yankees fan is a Mets fan... :icon_wink:

(I'm a Nats fan...)

[coffeebean]

Do you live in fear of driving a car, or walking in a thunderstorm, or succumbing to any other accidental death? Because based on the current death rate, your odds are greater of dying in an accident than they are of dying from Covid. And given my age & health, my odds are 4/100’s of 1%. So, I repeat, I do not fear dying from Covid.
I'm fully vaccinated so I don't fear Covid but I have a good reason to not fear dying from the disease. You don't.

BTW..........Where do you get your statistic of 4/100s of 1%, given your age and health?

[Swoop]

I'm fully vaccinated so I don't fear Covid but I have a good reason to not fear dying from the disease. You don't.

BTW..........Where do you get your statistic of 4/100s of 1%, given your age and health?

According to the CDC the odds of someone my age being hospitalized with Covid are 266.3 in 100,000, that’s .00267. Also according to the CDC 87% of those hospitalized were obese or overweight. I’m neither. That further lowers my odds to .00035. The CDC also said that the majority of those hospitalized had an average is 2.6 of the these pre existing conditions; diabetes, heart disease, lung disease or hypertension. So, actually without those, my odds drop to virtually zero. I’ll take those odds over an unproven vaccine technology

[bmit16]

Where did you find this information?

The CDC statistics

[Bay Kid]

Been lied to so much who do you believe?

[Bill14564]

The CDC statistics

What link?

The CDC page I referred to yesterday showed 5,500 hospitalizations and 263 (or similar) deaths. Nothing close to 1,000 deaths and they no longer count reinfections.

Correction: I read the page wrong. The CDC does report 1,063 deaths. 272 of those may not have been COVID related

[coffeebean]

According to the CDC the odds of someone my age being hospitalized with Covid are 266.3 in 100,000, that’s .00267. Also according to the CDC 87% of those hospitalized were obese or overweight. I’m neither. That further lowers my odds to .00035. The CDC also said that the majority of those hospitalized had an average is 2.6 of the these pre existing conditions; diabetes, heart disease, lung disease or hypertension. So, actually without those, my odds drop to virtually zero. I’ll take those odds over an unproven vaccine technology

I truly wish you good luck and continued good health.

[GrumpyOldMan]

According to the CDC the odds of someone my age being hospitalized with Covid are 266.3 in 100,000, that’s .00267. Also according to the CDC 87% of those hospitalized were obese or overweight. I’m neither. That further lowers my odds to .00035. The CDC also said that the majority of those hospitalized had an average is 2.6 of the these pre existing conditions; diabetes, heart disease, lung disease or hypertension. So, actually without those, my odds drop to virtually zero. I’ll take those odds over an unproven vaccine technology

I complete understand you rationale. You at least post well reasoned explanations of you decision. Thank you.

I disagree with you decision on one point, and that is, I got the vaccination as much to help stop the virus from spreading and killing others as I did to protect myself. I feel we all have an obligation to each other to help.

However, I think I recall you wear a mask when out and about, if that is true and I am not misremembering, then thank you for that too. If that is the case, I really have no issue with you decision, you thought about it and made a reasonable decision, and are taking steps to help reduce the spread.

Until vaccinations are mandatory, I think you are an excellent example of someone who doesn’t want the vaccine and yet is still being responsible.

[drducat]

I think yesterday it was 48% and now : COVID-19: 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus have been double-jabbed, says Vallance

This is in the UK...should hold true here..if not then something is terribly wrong.

COVID-19: 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus have been double-jabbed, says Vallance | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-60-of-people-being-admitted-to-hospital-with-coronavirus-have-been-double-jabbed-says-vallance-12359317)

[GrumpyOldMan]

I think it is important to say which variant of the virus is dominating the breakthroughs. I can’t get to that article, they want to infect me with too many trackers. Sorry.

[drducat]

I think it is important to say which variant of the virus is dominating the breakthroughs. I can’t get to that article, they want to infect me with too many trackers. Sorry.

He got it backwards...60% unvaxed hospitalized....yesterday the same info came out at 48% vaccinated....They can't even get their statements out correctly...not sure anymore.

Supposed to be Delta.

Israel has better data and they used pfizer vaccine where the Uk used Novavax.

The death rate is really low so far with the Delta variant....cases up but less harmful.

:popcorn:

[GrumpyOldMan]

The death rate is really low so far with the Delta variant....cases up but less harmful.
:popcorn:

Uh, I think less deadly might be more accurate at this point. Still, too few cases to determine long-haul effect, etc.

[jimjamuser]

According to the CDC the odds of someone my age being hospitalized with Covid are 266.3 in 100,000, that’s .00267. Also according to the CDC 87% of those hospitalized were obese or overweight. I’m neither. That further lowers my odds to .00035. The CDC also said that the majority of those hospitalized had an average is 2.6 of the these pre existing conditions; diabetes, heart disease, lung disease or hypertension. So, actually without those, my odds drop to virtually zero. I’ll take those odds over an unproven vaccine technology
Wonder what about long haul effects of getting CV? What about a long stay in a hospital? What about the great cost of that stay in a hospital versus a FREE vaccine?

[jimjamuser]

I think yesterday it was 48% and now : COVID-19: 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus have been double-jabbed, says Vallance

This is in the UK...should hold true here..if not then something is terribly wrong.

COVID-19: 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus have been double-jabbed, says Vallance | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-60-of-people-being-admitted-to-hospital-with-coronavirus-have-been-double-jabbed-says-vallance-12359317)
Something IS very wrong. In Missouri, about 98% of the hospitalizations are the UN-vaccinated. I repeat ...the UN-VACCINATED! And about 99% of the CV deaths are the UN-vaccinated! Please check that out!

[Swoop]

Wonder what about long haul effects of getting CV? What about a long stay in a hospital? What about the great cost of that stay in a hospital versus a FREE vaccine?
According to the CDC, those who have had long haul effects are predominantly those who had preexisting conditions.
The stats I provided were for hospitalization, I suggest you read my post again…
FREE doesn’t make it safe. If you can show me test results showing the long term safety of mRNA vaccines…. Oh wait, you can’t, because they don’t exist…

[jimjamuser]

He got it backwards...60% unvaxed hospitalized....yesterday the same info came out at 48% vaccinated....They can't even get their statements out correctly...not sure anymore.

Supposed to be Delta.

Israel has better data and they used pfizer vaccine where the Uk used Novavax.

The death rate is really low so far with the Delta variant....cases up but less harmful.

:popcorn:
Delta IS causing many more younger people to DIE. That IS on ALL the TV channels. So, Delta is now the major variant in the US. Therefore, because of more younger people in hospitals, it is causing more grief and problems to US society - younger people with long haul problems. Therefore Delta is MORE dangerous than the prior variant. Think also of the hospital costs due to the Delta variant and the costs of hospital staff being overworked. There are direct costs AND INDIRECT costs!

[JMintzer]

Delta IS causing many more younger people to DIE. That IS on ALL the TV channels. So, Delta is now the major variant in the US. Therefore, because of more younger people in hospitals, it is causing more grief and problems to US society - younger people with long haul problems. Therefore Delta is MORE dangerous than the prior variant. Think also of the hospital costs due to the Delta variant and the costs of hospital staff being overworked. There are direct costs AND INDIRECT costs!

And we all know the TV channels are never wrong! :ohdear:

[golfing eagles]

Something IS very wrong. In Missouri, about 98% of the hospitalizations are the UN-vaccinated. I repeat ...the UN-VACCINATED! And about 99% of the CV deaths are the UN-vaccinated! Please check that out!

Yes, you are right and the person who is spreading the misinformation that 48-60% of hospitalizations is among the vaccinated is very, VERY, VERY WRONG, and I wish he/she would disconnect their keyboard.

Just saw Dr. Pino, Orange County medical director, talking about the spike in cases in Orlando, which were about 600/day for the last 3 days. He stated that NOT ONE, ZERO, 0.00% of the new cases were vaccinated. Good enough for me, and in line with what the post vaccination experience in 180 million vaccinated Americans has been according to the CDC.

[LateBoomer]

it's a response to a previous post. not political, per say.. but if someone is saying, hey look at what they are saying about this variant! don't question it!!

I'm saying, really? Recent history tells me TO question it. Recent history tells me that one side has very strong reasons to whip up unnecessary hysteria about this again - it's a nice way to divert attention from other serious problems.

The smart person is a skeptical person in this case. Sorry, no, I don't trust the "information" being pumped out by one side and their Big Tech allies. Nope I don't. Trust who? the CDC? Facebook? Jen Psaki? LOL. Not a chance! Questioning what the government is telling us isn't by definition "political". it's a healthy skepticism.

and I'm in the Government, so I know of what i speak :) I have served under every administration since Reagan II. while I haven't 'seen it all', I've seen quite a lot.

so are we really going to attempt to shut down different POVs here by saying anything related to the government is inherently political and therefore out of bounds? I would this would not be such an excuse to quell free speech, but it would go along with the times.

[blueash]

I think yesterday it was 48% and now : COVID-19: 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus have been double-jabbed, says Vallance

This is in the UK...should hold true here..if not then something is terribly wrong.

COVID-19: 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus have been double-jabbed, says Vallance | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-60-of-people-being-admitted-to-hospital-with-coronavirus-have-been-double-jabbed-says-vallance-12359317)

you might want to go back to your source. Sky news has issued a corrected report.

Sir Patrick Vallance told a news briefing that figure was for double-jabbed people. But he later corrected himself on Twitter, saying the original statistic was false.
He posted: "Correcting a statistic I gave at the press conference today, 19 July.

"About 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are not from double-vaccinated people, rather 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are currently from unvaccinated people."

And if you are paying any attention to how the Brits categorize vaccination status, a person who has had one of two of the doses is not considered unvaccinated in their data. Additionally in the UK the second dose is not being given 4 weeks after the initial dose, rather 8 to 12 weeks later so there are a larger number of persons who have had one of the two doses.

Here is the data as reported as of July 19 (https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833)
Wales has vaccinated 90% of those aged 18 and over with at least one dose, while Scotland has reached 89%, England 87% and Northern Ireland 82%.
Using the British criteria, this only leaves 13% of those in England as unvaccinated, and they are fantastically over - represented as resulting in 60% of those hospitalized. We are not supplied with the data on how many of the remaining 40% have only had a single dose but about 25% of adults in the UK have only had a single dose which is far less effective against the delta strain.

Again, the data available shows that the vaccines don't just work, they work amazingly well but not 100%. As variants emerge there will need to be adjustments in vaccination recommendations and perhaps in the design of the vaccine itself, much like the influenza vaccine varies from year to year.

The take home message is that we are now in a new wave of Covid caused by the delta variant which did not exist when the vaccines were developed. It is a tribute to the excellent scientists that those vaccines work very well against this new strain. As more variants emerge, mostly in unvaccinated persons, there is a real risk that a mutation in the spike protein will make the present vaccines less protective.

Why did several Yankees test positive when they apparently were vaccinated? Likely because cause a new variant has sub-clinically infected them and they are routinely tested, several times a week unlike the general population.

Here are two images that might help people understand what is happening which show the rate of new Covid infections in Florida over the last month showing cases per 100,000 population per county:

[GrumpyOldMan]

it's a response to a previous post. not political, per say.. but if someone is saying, hey look at what they are saying about this variant! don't question it!!

I'm saying, really? Recent history tells me TO question it. Recent history tells me that one side has very strong reasons to whip up unnecessary hysteria about this again - it's a nice way to divert attention from other serious problems.

The smart person is a skeptical person in this case. Sorry, no, I don't trust the "information" being pumped out by one side and their Big Tech allies. Nope I don't. Trust who? the CDC? Facebook? Jen Psaki? LOL. Not a chance! Questioning what the government is telling us isn't by definition "political". it's a healthy skepticism.

and I'm in the Government, so I know of what i speak :) I have served under every administration since Reagan II. while I haven't 'seen it all', I've seen quite a lot.

so are we really going to attempt to shut down different POVs here by saying anything related to the government is inherently political and therefore out of bounds? I would this would not be such an excuse to quell free speech, but it would go along with the times.

On the other hand, one should not simply reject out of hand anything anyone says, just because... There is so much misinformation today from so many sources, if we are interested in the truth it is up to each of us individually to verify by whatever means everything they hear.

[coffeebean]

I think yesterday it was 48% and now : COVID-19: 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus have been double-jabbed, says Vallance

This is in the UK...should hold true here..if not then something is terribly wrong.

COVID-19: 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus have been double-jabbed, says Vallance | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-60-of-people-being-admitted-to-hospital-with-coronavirus-have-been-double-jabbed-says-vallance-12359317)


Latest numbers reported by CNN are hospitalizations are 97% of un-vaccinated Americans and 99.5% of deaths are un-vaccinated Americans. Looks like this is a pandemic of the un-vaccinated at this point.

Fauci warns about 'smoldering outbreak' of Covid-19 without vaccinations - CNN Video (https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/07/19/monologue-bolduan-covid-19-fauci-smoldering-outbreak-vaccinations-delta-ebof-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/)

[coffeebean]

Something IS very wrong. In Missouri, about 98% of the hospitalizations are the UN-vaccinated. I repeat ...the UN-VACCINATED! And about 99% of the CV deaths are the UN-vaccinated! Please check that out!
Those stats were from the UK, not the US. The UK is not using the mRNA vaccines that we use here in the US so it is sort of like comparing apples to oranges. IMHO, of course.

[coffeebean]

According to the CDC, those who have had long haul effects are predominantly those who had preexisting conditions.
The stats I provided were for hospitalization, I suggest you read my post again…
FREE doesn’t make it safe. If you can show me test results showing the long term safety of mRNA vaccines…. Oh wait, you can’t, because they don’t exist…

Short term effects of Covid, such as death, was the motivator for me to get myself vaxxed. mRNA has been studied for thirty years as a means for vaccines and cancer treatment. The scientist who began this journey is a Hungarian woman and she is credited with the invention of the mRNA technology. This mRNA technology is not a new kid on the block.

Believe what you like and I know your mind will never be changed.

The story of mRNA: From a loose idea to a tool that may help curb Covid (https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10/the-story-of-mrna-how-a-once-dismissed-idea-became-a-leading-technology-in-the-covid-vaccine-race/)

[Bill14564]

Those stats were from the UK, not the US. The UK is not using the mRNA vaccines that we use here in the US so it is sort of like comparing apples to oranges. IMHO, of course.

Not sure where you got that information.

The NHS (national health service?) in the UK has a Coronavirus Vaccines page (https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/) that lists Pfizer, AstraZenica, and Moderna as the three vaccines being used. I saw a page somewhere that gave the percentages of each but I am unable to find that now.

[golfing eagles]

Short term effects of Covid, such as death, was the motivator for me to get myself vaxxed. mRNA has been studied for thirty years as a means for vaccines and cancer treatment. The scientist who began this journey is a Hungarian woman and she is credited with the invention of the mRNA technology. This mRNA technology is not a new kid on the block.

Believe what you like and I know your mind will never be changed.

The story of mRNA: From a loose idea to a tool that may help curb Covid (https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10/the-story-of-mrna-how-a-once-dismissed-idea-became-a-leading-technology-in-the-covid-vaccine-race/)

But it does raise a philosophical question------Is death a short term or long term effect????????

[Swoop]

Short term effects of Covid, such as death, was the motivator for me to get myself vaxxed. mRNA has been studied for thirty years as a means for vaccines and cancer treatment. The scientist who began this journey is a Hungarian woman and she is credited with the invention of the mRNA technology. This mRNA technology is not a new kid on the block.

Believe what you like and I know your mind will never be changed.

The story of mRNA: From a loose idea to a tool that may help curb Covid (https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10/the-story-of-mrna-how-a-once-dismissed-idea-became-a-leading-technology-in-the-covid-vaccine-race/)

So, since mRNA vaccines have been “studied” for 30 years, you should easily be able to provide some long term studies of the side effects…
Just provide the links, I would love to read them…

[coffeebean]

And we all know the TV channels are never wrong! :ohdear:

Sad when you can not trust our MSM for news. Watch the BBC for unbiased NEWS and see if our MSM is telling us lies.

[coffeebean]

You may want to look up what 'this variant' did in India where it originated.

I cannot wrap my head around these people who question the validity of our MSM news. Do they really believe the Delta variant is a hoax? Do they really believe all those horrendous images from India are fabricated? I'm not asking for an answer. Just venting.

[coffeebean]

Yes, you are right and the person who is spreading the misinformation that 48-60% of hospitalizations is among the vaccinated is very, VERY, VERY WRONG, and I wish he/she would disconnect their keyboard.

Just saw Dr. Pino, Orange County medical director, talking about the spike in cases in Orlando, which were about 600/day for the last 3 days. He stated that NOT ONE, ZERO, 0.00% of the new cases were vaccinated. Good enough for me, and in line with what the post vaccination experience in 180 million vaccinated Americans has been according to the CDC.

I haven't gone back to check that post that you are referring to but.....IIRC, those stats were not from the US but the UK. The UK does not use our mRNA vaccines. Isn't the AZ vaccine used in UK? So......no comparison with the percentages here in the US regarding hospitalizations and deaths.

[GrumpyOldMan]

But it does raise a philosophical question------Is death a short term or long term effect????????

I guess that depends on your religion. And if you are a Muslim or Christian, it would seem to be a good side effect, depending where you are going.

(Sorry, couldn't resist - JUST A JOKE PEOPLE!)

[Moderator]

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