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champion6
07-20-2021, 09:20 AM
Posted on Facebook by the Sumter County Sheriff's Office:

"The Sumter County Sheriff's Office is participating in a tough new speed enforcement blitz under the tagline: “Obey the Sign or Pay the Fine.” The intensified enforcement effort against speeding drivers underscores the severity of the problem both locally and across the nation. This initiative will take place beginning Monday, July 19th - July 24th."

golfing eagles
07-20-2021, 09:25 AM
Posted on Facebook by the Sumter County Sheriff's Office:

"The Sumter County Sheriff's Office is participating in a tough new speed enforcement blitz under the tagline: “Obey the Sign or Pay the Fine.” The intensified enforcement effort against speeding drivers underscores the severity of the problem both locally and across the nation. This initiative will take place beginning Monday, July 19th - July 24th."

In other words, a fundraising blitz under the guise of "safety":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

billethkid
07-20-2021, 09:28 AM
Finally we hope!

The speed in TV has been creeping upward in recent years with most speeds 10+ mph over the limit on many major roads.

I support the focus on enforcement to the max.
Migrate from the current out of control speeding to near Waldo level enforcement.

golfing eagles
07-20-2021, 09:42 AM
Finally we hope!

The speed in TV has been creeping upward in recent years with most speeds 10+ mph over the limit on many major roads.

I support the focus on enforcement to the max.
Migrate from the current out of control speeding to near Waldo level enforcement.

Be careful what you wish for.

Again, I personally don't speed, so no dog in this fight either,------however.....

Someone going 45 or even 50 on BV or Morse (south of 466) doesn't bother me in the least---they will just pass me and be on their way, and they are not a safety hazard. It's the person going 25 that poses a greater risk---as everybody makes some lame move to get around them. They won't get into an accident, but they will cause them

The persons driving above the limit are, for the most part, younger with better vision and reflexes than average. I don't think a NASCAR champion would poses a risk regardless of their speed. The 90 year old who can't see above the steering wheel is the threat, so go ticket them when they drive 20.

I don't see why so many Villagers get their undies in a bunch when someone passes them. I get passed all the time when going the speed limit----SO WHAT

graciegirl
07-20-2021, 09:55 AM
In other words, a fundraising blitz under the guise of "safety":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Doc. I am getting a mental picture of you as leadfoot.

The only time in my life I ran afoul of the law, I was speeding. Well make that two times. I am terribly impatient way too much in my life but for some reason, not in a car. I am not sure why, but that is true of all of the drivers I know well. I have been annoyed in a car but NEVER full of rage.

I see nothing wrong with the sheriff's slowing down a few wild folks. Nothing wrong with that. It is their job and I am so weary of them being maligned. I like cops.

golfing eagles
07-20-2021, 09:57 AM
Doc. I am getting a mental picture of you as leadfoot.

The only time in my life I ran afoul of the law, I was speeding. Well make that two times. I am terribly impatient way too much in my life but for some reason, not in a car. I am not sure why, but that is true of all of the drivers I know well. I have been annoyed in a car but NEVER full of rage.

I see nothing wrong with the sheriff's slowing down a few wild folks. Nothing wrong with that. It is their job and I am so weary of them being maligned. I like cops.

Not at all, GG. Read my second line in post #4.

I just don't get all that excited when someone is driving faster than I or when I get passed. I do get annoyed when someone is driving quite slow, such as 55 in the left lane of an interstate, especially when they do it intentionally as a self appointed "speed cop".

Now, driving back from N. Carolina yesterday on I-95, there were two cars playing tag at about 95-100 mph. THEY should be caught and ticketed because traffic was moderate and they were weaving in and out and cutting other drivers off. Unfortunately, they passed right by a Georgia state trooper and he didn't even go after them.

vintageogauge
07-20-2021, 10:07 AM
Sumter County is large and they might have a few hours a day to spend here in TV but most likely will be on 441/27, 301, 42, and then down around Bushnell and beyond. They don't have enough cars to be set up all over The Villages although they should have them but if taxes go up to buy more cars there starts a another round of complaints.

dewilson58
07-20-2021, 10:36 AM
Sammy Hagar..........

I Can't Drive 55 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qf98egLWOk)

NoMo50
07-20-2021, 10:49 AM
In other words, a fundraising blitz under the guise of "safety":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

So says the man who obviously never wore the uniform, or had to pull the dead 8 year-old out from under the speeding SUV, whose driver was in a hurry to get to a pedicure appointment.

Law enforcement agencies do not use enhanced enforcement campaigns as "fund raisers." The sheriff certainly does not get to keep revenue generated through traffic citations.

Laws, and rules, are there for a reason. And, yes...safety is a big part of their existence. Ignoring laws, simply because someone may not be posing a threat in a particular snapshot of a moment, is ignorant. What's next? Is driving while impaired OK as long as you don't kill anyone? Is stealing OK if you really need the money? Is assault OK if that guy really pushed your button? Hopefully, you get the drift.

If all motorists (and golf car drivers) simply did their part and obeyed the laws, there would be drastically fewer incidents that result in people getting hurt. Remember...driving is a privilege, not your right.

MrFlorida
07-20-2021, 10:52 AM
The speed limit here in the Villages is 35 on most roads, and 20 on others. I see people constantly going much faster then that.

Wyseguy
07-20-2021, 10:54 AM
Doc. I am getting a mental picture of you as leadfoot.

The only time in my life I ran afoul of the law, I was speeding. Well make that two times. I am terribly impatient way too much in my life but for some reason, not in a car. I am not sure why, but that is true of all of the drivers I know well. I have been annoyed in a car but NEVER full of rage.

I see nothing wrong with the sheriff's slowing down a few wild folks. Nothing wrong with that. It is their job and I am so weary of them being maligned. I like cops.
Saying "I Like Cops" is like saying I Like northerners. You may like most, but there are always a few who are just horrible. Unfortunately, unlike rude northerners who are simply annoying, bad cops can really violate your rights.
I like Good cops and appreciate them for their service.

Wyseguy
07-20-2021, 10:57 AM
So says the man who obviously never wore the uniform, or had to pull the dead 8 year-old out from under the speeding SUV, whose driver was in a hurry to get to a pedicure appointment.

Law enforcement agencies do not use enhanced enforcement campaigns as "fund raisers." The sheriff certainly does not get to keep revenue generated through traffic citations.

Laws, and rules, are there for a reason. And, yes...safety is a big part of their existence. Ignoring laws, simply because someone may not be posing a threat in a particular snapshot of a moment, is ignorant. What's next? Is driving while impaired OK as long as you don't kill anyone? Is stealing OK if you really need the money? Is assault OK if that guy really pushed your button? Hopefully, you get the drift.

If all motorists (and golf car drivers) simply did their part and obeyed the laws, there would be drastically fewer incidents that result in people getting hurt. Remember...driving is a privilege, not your right.

So now you can only post about cops, good or bad, if you put on a costume and pulled a dead 8 year old from a wreck.
Got it.

golfing eagles
07-20-2021, 11:07 AM
So says the man who obviously never wore the uniform, or had to pull the dead 8 year-old out from under the speeding SUV, whose driver was in a hurry to get to a pedicure appointment.

Law enforcement agencies do not use enhanced enforcement campaigns as "fund raisers." The sheriff certainly does not get to keep revenue generated through traffic citations.

Laws, and rules, are there for a reason. And, yes...safety is a big part of their existence. Ignoring laws, simply because someone may not be posing a threat in a particular snapshot of a moment, is ignorant. What's next? Is driving while impaired OK as long as you don't kill anyone? Is stealing OK if you really need the money? Is assault OK if that guy really pushed your button? Hopefully, you get the drift.

If all motorists (and golf car drivers) simply did their part and obeyed the laws, there would be drastically fewer incidents that result in people getting hurt. Remember...driving is a privilege, not your right.

Can't say I disagree with much of what you posted, however------

1) No, "I never wore the uniform" (not sure how that was obvious), but I have resuscitated the victims, put the victims back together, and have had to inform families about the loss of their loved one, so I'll be happy to compare my experience with yours.

2) While speed can be a factor in accidents, I think it has been over-emphasized. I'll stand by my statement that slow drivers not keeping up with the flow of traffic are as much a hazard as speeders

3) Calling it a "fund-raiser" was probably wrong of me, mea culpa. But since you sound like a LEO, you do realize that tickets do raise revenue----just look at the small town of Lawtey on 301

4) Comparing speeding to stealing, drunk driving and assault is way out in left field, and I'm sure you know it

5) Like I've posted several times, I don't speed. But I don't think a golf cart going 21 mph is a significantly bigger safety hazard than one going 20, nor do I care if that cart passes me, even though "rules are rules". Nor do I care if I get passed on BV by a car going 40-----and I doubt that is more of a safety hazard as well.

6) Not all laws are there for a valid reason. I like to use as an example a law still on the books in Kansas-----"If two trains are approaching each other, BOTH must stop, and NEITHER may start until the OTHER ONE does"---so much for a good reason for ALL laws. Also, consider this. I can take my golf cart, add windshield wipers and PAY A FEE to the county and abracadabra, the same cart is now street legal and can be driven at 25mph. And the rationale for that is......... (Certainly not safety)

7) If you are an active or retired LEO, thank you for your service.

Altavia
07-20-2021, 12:17 PM
The Sumter County Traffic Unit has been targeting enforcement efforts to areas with traffic safety issues.

Focus is on the rural roads where it's not unusual to see vehicles doing 30+ mph over the speed limit.

A major proportion of fatal, speeding-related single-vehicle crashes occur on these rural roadways.

Davonu
07-20-2021, 12:29 PM
Saying "I Like Cops" is like saying I Like northerners. You may like most, but there are always a few who are just horrible. Unfortunately, unlike rude northerners who are simply annoying, bad cops can really violate your rights.
I like Good cops and appreciate them for their service.
I like cops. There, I said it. Does that mean I like bad cops? No. Of course not. Every segment of society has some bad apples. Does that mean you have to use the word ‘good’ every time you refer to a group like the cops? Absolutely not.

Yes, I like cops.

graciegirl
07-20-2021, 12:43 PM
Saying "I Like Cops" is like saying I Like northerners. You may like most, but there are always a few who are just horrible. Unfortunately, unlike rude northerners who are simply annoying, bad cops can really violate your rights.
I like Good cops and appreciate them for their service.

I like cops. And Northerners. (From the middle part of the country) ;)

Not too crazy about wise guys. :duck:

I'm Popeye!
07-20-2021, 12:49 PM
The Clueless Driver are the ones you need to look out for, I'm sure no one thinks they fall into that category... :1rotfl:

ChicagoNative
07-20-2021, 01:23 PM
I’ve seen a lot of decoy cars as well lately. They reduce speeders only temporarily until everyone realizes that the car is empty.

ThirdOfFive
07-20-2021, 01:32 PM
Posted on Facebook by the Sumter County Sheriff's Office:

"The Sumter County Sheriff's Office is participating in a tough new speed enforcement blitz under the tagline: “Obey the Sign or Pay the Fine.” The intensified enforcement effort against speeding drivers underscores the severity of the problem both locally and across the nation. This initiative will take place beginning Monday, July 19th - July 24th."
Why only for a week?

Doesn't Joe Taxpayer have the right to expect that ALL laws be enforced equitably, all the time? After all, that's what he is paying for.

Stu from NYC
07-20-2021, 01:34 PM
I’ve seen a lot of decoy cars as well lately. They reduce speeders only temporarily until everyone realizes that the car is empty.

Do not understand why they leave the cars in the same place for days at a time.

Gpsma
07-20-2021, 01:57 PM
Most major roads here can be safely driven above the 35 mph speed limit. I will admit i find myself driving faster than i should. Its usually trying to get around old school marms from ohio rushing in the left lane at 25mph to find a place that serves beans over cornbread.

Thank god there are plenty of people from the NorthEast that really know how to drive.

But if our valiant and brave Deputies fine me for speeding, i will gladly pay into their party fund.

Topspinmo
07-20-2021, 02:09 PM
Most major roads here can be safely driven above the 35 mph speed limit. I will admit i find myself driving faster than i should. Its usually trying to get around old school marms from ohio rushing in the left lane at 25mph to find a place that serves beans over cornbread.

Thank god there are plenty of people from the NorthEast that really know how to drive.

But if our valiant and brave Deputies fine me for speeding, i will gladly pay into their party fund.

IMO Some roads has 35 MPH speed limits to accommodate LSV. (another government waste program few years ago) B/V and el Camino Reno are good examples. Those can easily support 45 MPH speed limit in spots. Even LEO’s don’t drive 35 MPH in spots on those stretches. Now someone going to say only citizens has to obey speed limits and traffic laws.:shocked:

Dana1963
07-20-2021, 02:12 PM
Posted on Facebook by the Sumter County Sheriff's Office:

"The Sumter County Sheriff's Office is participating in a tough new speed enforcement blitz under the tagline: “Obey the Sign or Pay the Fine.” The intensified enforcement effort against speeding drivers underscores the severity of the problem both locally and across the nation. This initiative will take place beginning Monday, July 19th - July 24th."
Big deal 5 days what about the next 360 days. Wish the Sheriff/Police should have already been doing it all along with concentration on Odell Cir, Morse Blvd N,S and Buena Vista

Wyseguy
07-20-2021, 02:13 PM
I like cops. And Northerners. (From the middle part of the country) ;)

Not too crazy about wise guys. :duck:

That was harsh. The emoji softened it a bit.

Wyse. A computer (specifically terminal line)I worked on the development a long long time ago. The far away times of the eighties.

John41
07-20-2021, 03:14 PM
Be careful what you wish for.

Again, I personally don't speed, so no dog in this fight either,------however.....

Someone going 45 or even 50 on BV or Morse (south of 466) doesn't bother me in the least---they will just pass me and be on their way, and they are not a safety hazard. It's the person going 25 that poses a greater risk---as everybody makes some lame move to get around them. They won't get into an accident, but they will cause them

The persons driving above the limit are, for the most part, younger with better vision and reflexes than average. I don't think a NASCAR champion would poses a risk regardless of their speed. The 90 year old who can't see above the steering wheel is the threat, so go ticket them when they drive 20.

I don't see why so many Villagers get their undies in a bunch when someone passes them. I get passed all the time when going the speed limit----SO WHAT

Funny those speeding kids with the super vision have the highest insurance rates and greatest accident rates.

patfla06
07-20-2021, 03:15 PM
I continue to be amazed at all the northeast bashing especially about
New York.

Midwesterners are no nicer than New Yorkers. There are good and bad from every state.

You try living in the New York City area and see how you would handle it.

Just remember during 9-11 all those New Yorkers pulled together and helped each other.

EdFNJ
07-20-2021, 04:35 PM
This initiative will take place beginning Monday, July 19th - July 24th." So after the 24th you can speed again, right? :duck:

EdFNJ
07-20-2021, 04:43 PM
I’ve seen a lot of decoy cars as well lately. They reduce speeders only temporarily until everyone realizes that the car is empty.
Yea, you can usually tell they are decoys by the flat tires and the grass growing up to the top of the wheel well. :D

That being said, even then, the normal reaction is to go to the brakes even if you are NOT speeding so it does serve at least a temporary purpose and makes one pay more attention.

perrjojo
07-20-2021, 05:04 PM
So it’s ok to speed a little. Is it ok to steal just a little? They both are against the law…but just a little.

EdFNJ
07-20-2021, 05:14 PM
So it’s ok to speed a little. Is it ok to steal just a little? They both are against the law…but just a little. More like not showing some teeney weenie little things on your tax returns that might cost you just a couple bucks. :) Or not paying the state the 7% sales tax you were not charged from some companies for online purchases you had delivered (although FL ended that on July 1st). There are shades of gray everywhere. Don't think "stealing" is a fair comparison because on gray to black scale that's way on the black side of the spectrum but driving a few MPH over the limit would be on the gray side of the spectrum. ;)

Blueblaze
07-20-2021, 05:33 PM
Well, that explains why they refused to respond to burglars I caught in my living room helping themselves to my TV.

They've got more important things to do! Those 45 mph speed limits on divided highways aren't going to enforce themselves!

Kenswing
07-20-2021, 05:35 PM
Well, that explains why they refused to respond to burglars I caught in my living room helping themselves to my TV.

They've got more important things to do! Those 45 mph speed limits on divided highways aren't going to enforce themselves!
If you caught someone in your house burglarizing it, you should have been calling the Coroner not the Sheriff.

thevillages2013
07-21-2021, 04:51 AM
Posted on Facebook by the Sumter County Sheriff's Office:

"The Sumter County Sheriff's Office is participating in a tough new speed enforcement blitz under the tagline: “Obey the Sign or Pay the Fine.” The intensified enforcement effort against speeding drivers underscores the severity of the problem both locally and across the nation. This initiative will take place beginning Monday, July 19th - July 24th."
Thanks for the heads up. I will slow down this week! Vrrroom Vrrroom:clap2:

Skunky1
07-21-2021, 05:18 AM
About time they got out of the parking lots!

banjobob
07-21-2021, 05:19 AM
The safety issue is the drivers in the left lane at 30mph and those brain dead’s riding side by side at the same speed, slower traffic stay in the right lane , you brain dead’s either speed up to pass or slow to follow get out of the left lane.

swooner
07-21-2021, 05:30 AM
Dumb comment!

PennBF
07-21-2021, 05:31 AM
First the speed limits should be set that are realistic. When I see a 15 or 20 mile limit i realize it is unrealistic to expect a car to go 15 or even 20 miles an hour in some areas. Try to get a car to go 15 is almost impossible without having your foot on the break. When
people disrespect the speed limits it may be they were set too low. Also, if your going to go after auto's who go over the limit to contain accidents please go after the bike riders who ride in the middle of the road almost daring the car's behind them. Just go out when there are multi bike clubs who do not pay attention to the 3 feet from curb rule. Ok got these out of head and now welcome the police who fine those who are violating fair road speed limites :icon_wink:

Mohawksin
07-21-2021, 05:47 AM
First the speed limits should be set that are realistic. When I see a 15 or 20 mile limit i realize it is unrealistic to expect a car to go 15 or even 20 miles an hour in some areas. Try to get a car to go 15 is almost impossible without having your foot on the break. When
people disrespect the speed limits it may be they were set too low. Also, if your going to go after auto's who go over the limit to contain accidents please go after the bike riders who ride in the middle of the road almost daring the car's behind them. Just go out when there are multi bike clubs who do not pay attention to the 3 feet from curb rule. Ok got these out of head and now welcome the police who fine those who are violating fair road speed limites :icon_wink:

>> multi bike clubs who do not pay attention to the 3 feet from curb rule. <<

Please elaborate :confused:

Beyond The Wall
07-21-2021, 06:03 AM
I witnessed 3:accidents this week in TV. In each case at least one of the drivers had their head down texting. Nothing Ro do with speed just stupid

stevemac
07-21-2021, 06:16 AM
[QUOTE=champion6;1975658]Posted on Facebook by the Sumter County Sheriff's Office:

"The Sumter County Sheriff's Office is participating in a tough new speed enforcement blitz under the tagline: “Obey the Sign or Pay the Fine.” The intensified enforcement effort against speeding drivers underscores the severity of the problem both locally and across the nation. This initiative will take place beginning Monday, July 19th - July 24th."[/QUOTE

About time

Aloha
07-21-2021, 06:22 AM
Some of you may enjoy this controversial YouTube channel, regardless of your opinion on law enforcement efforts.
Lawsuit After INSANE Arrest - 73 Year Old With Dementia - Part 1 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/IY62LQDR69M)

J1ceasar
07-21-2021, 06:23 AM
Those are the people that will tailgate you also and then make a lane change to the right and back around the front of you.

J1ceasar
07-21-2021, 06:24 AM
Beans over cornbread????

Girlcopper
07-21-2021, 06:30 AM
So says the man who obviously never wore the uniform, or had to pull the dead 8 year-old out from under the speeding SUV, whose driver was in a hurry to get to a pedicure appointment.

Law enforcement agencies do not use enhanced enforcement campaigns as "fund raisers." The sheriff certainly does not get to keep revenue generated through traffic citations.

Laws, and rules, are there for a reason. And, yes...safety is a big part of their existence. Ignoring laws, simply because someone may not be posing a threat in a particular snapshot of a moment, is ignorant. What's next? Is driving while impaired OK as long as you don't kill anyone? Is stealing OK if you really need the money? Is assault OK if that guy really pushed your button? Hopefully, you get the drift.

If all motorists (and golf car drivers) simply did their part and obeyed the laws, there would be drastically fewer incidents that result in people getting hurt. Remember...driving is a privilege, not your right.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Notice that every time a villager sees a speeder or a traffic violator, whats the first thing they spew? Wheres the cops….why arent they out here? Etc etc. So, now you have a planned enforcement and its, “oh. Just looking to grab money from people”. SMH

Hiltongrizz11
07-21-2021, 06:53 AM
Doc. I am getting a mental picture of you as leadfoot.

The only time in my life I ran afoul of the law, I was speeding. Well make that two times. I am terribly impatient way too much in my life but for some reason, not in a car. I am not sure why, but that is true of all of the drivers I know well. I have been annoyed in a car but NEVER full of rage.

I see nothing wrong with the sheriff's slowing down a few wild folks. Nothing wrong with that. It is their job and I am so weary of them being maligned. I like cops.

No way! Not a chance in the world that in your lifetime you've only violated the law twice and both times just happened to get caught. You've either painted a sanctimonious picture of yourself or you're completely naive.

chuckpedrey
07-21-2021, 06:54 AM
45 or 50 on Morse Boulevard north of 466 is problematic because of the golf cart traffic on that stretch of road.

Guitarman1951
07-21-2021, 07:12 AM
Couldn't have come any sooner. Speeders on Morse and Buena Vista are rampant as well as on 466 coming from Rolling Acres.

Bill1701
07-21-2021, 07:18 AM
I'd much rather have people doing 10-15 over the limit driving near me than the ones doing 5-10 under and looking at their phones.

tuccillo
07-21-2021, 07:18 AM
She never said she only violated the law twice. She said she only got caught twice.



No way! Not a chance in the world that in your lifetime you've only violated the law twice and both times just happened to get caught. You've either painted a sanctimonious picture of yourself or you're completely naive.

taruffi57
07-21-2021, 07:18 AM
How? Parking an unmanned patrol car in the median?

MizJodi
07-21-2021, 07:19 AM
Speeders think it’s The Villages 500

noslices1
07-21-2021, 07:20 AM
Posted on Facebook by the Sumter County Sheriff's Office:

"The Sumter County Sheriff's Office is participating in a tough new speed enforcement blitz under the tagline: “Obey the Sign or Pay the Fine.” The intensified enforcement effort against speeding drivers underscores the severity of the problem both locally and across the nation. This initiative will take place beginning Monday, July 19th - July 24th."

All those EMPTY Sheriff’s cars that have been sitting on some of the main streets may now be manned by the Sheriff’s Deputies. Surprise, surprise to all the people who have been speeding past them.

MandoMan
07-21-2021, 07:42 AM
Be careful what you wish for.

Again, I personally don't speed, so no dog in this fight either,------however.....

Someone going 45 or even 50 on BV or Morse (south of 466) doesn't bother me in the least---they will just pass me and be on their way, and they are not a safety hazard. It's the person going 25 that poses a greater risk---as everybody makes some lame move to get around them. They won't get into an accident, but they will cause them

The persons driving above the limit are, for the most part, younger with better vision and reflexes than average. I don't think a NASCAR champion would poses a risk regardless of their speed. The 90 year old who can't see above the steering wheel is the threat, so go ticket them when they drive 20.

I don't see why so many Villagers get their undies in a bunch when someone passes them. I get passed all the time when going the speed limit----SO WHAT

I drive the speed limit in The Villages, as do most people. Where your going 50 on Morse is dangerous for me is when I’m trying to make a left turn, especially in a golf cart. I look at a car in the distance, assume it is going 35, but it’s actually going 50 and is coming up on me much faster than I expected. Because traffic on north Morse during busy periods is dependent on lights—cars come in spurts of twenty or thirty at a time—I can often squeeze a left turn in before a slower oncoming car, but I have to watch out for the cars that speed up to close the gap and arrive at the next light two seconds faster.

kendi
07-21-2021, 07:43 AM
Be careful what you wish for.

Again, I personally don't speed, so no dog in this fight either,------however.....

Someone going 45 or even 50 on BV or Morse (south of 466) doesn't bother me in the least---they will just pass me and be on their way, and they are not a safety hazard. It's the person going 25 that poses a greater risk---as everybody makes some lame move to get around them. They won't get into an accident, but they will cause them

The persons driving above the limit are, for the most part, younger with better vision and reflexes than average. I don't think a NASCAR champion would poses a risk regardless of their speed. The 90 year old who can't see above the steering wheel is the threat, so go ticket them when they drive 20.

I don't see why so many Villagers get their undies in a bunch when someone passes them. I get passed all the time when going the speed limit----SO WHAT

Safety IS the reason. There is a reason why speed limits exist.

kendi
07-21-2021, 07:45 AM
I'd much rather have people doing 10-15 over the limit driving near me than the ones doing 5-10 under and looking at their phones.

Both are bad. It’s not an either or....

ribil
07-21-2021, 08:13 AM
In other words, a fundraising blitz under the guise of "safety":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

No, it’s a safety blitz. Long overdue and should be continued.

graciegirl
07-21-2021, 08:16 AM
And of course you get those few villagers out of the many that think that their own little bubble is how the rest of the world should be.

They actually come across this arrogant and snobby... Like you.

To whom do you speak, sir/madam?

I kinda think that our little bubble is a danged great little bubble.

Larchap49
07-21-2021, 08:21 AM
I continue to be amazed at all the northeast bashing especially about
New York.

Midwesterners are no nicer than New Yorkers. There are good and bad from every state.

You try living in the New York City area and see how you would handle it.

Just remember during 9-11 all those New Yorkers pulled together and helped each other.

Then most who could afford it got out of Dodge. Ask the residents of Connecticut and other close states how they feel. After 10 days in CT I can attest it is a constant negative conversation. I never lived in the City but it really does seem that those that did really do have an unnecessary edge and rudeness to them, and they seem to take impatience to another level. I sometimes find it really amusing to watch it in action, but not sure the waitresses or store clerks on the receiving end would agree.

graciegirl
07-21-2021, 08:25 AM
No way! Not a chance in the world that in your lifetime you've only violated the law twice and both times just happened to get caught. You've either painted a sanctimonious picture of yourself or you're completely naive.

When I was a very small girl, my grandfather who was an over six foot tall Irish descent Columbus, Ohio Police Officer for 37 years, took me for a visit to the city jail. He showed me a cell and locked me in for a moment and on the way there and on the way back he talked to me about why there are laws and what the good in them are and what happens to people who broke them. I cannot say I have never made a mistake or ever done anything wrong. I have done that thousands of times, but I have been pulled over twice and ticketed. I haven't ever run afoul of the law any other times. I haven't beat my spouse, or stolen anything. (Well not after my grandmother lectured me for taking apples from Mrs. Tracy's tree). I haven't as far as I remember broken any other laws but speeding. Let me think now. I haven't been to confession in a very long time.

Larchap49
07-21-2021, 08:25 AM
If you caught someone in your house burglarizing it, you should have been calling the Coroner not the Sheriff.

That depends on whether or not you think only the crooks should have guns

Wing-nut2
07-21-2021, 08:34 AM
It's about time!

Spalumbos62
07-21-2021, 08:44 AM
So says the man who obviously never wore the uniform, or had to pull the dead 8 year-old out from under the speeding SUV, whose driver was in a hurry to get to a pedicure appointment.

Law enforcement agencies do not use enhanced enforcement campaigns as "fund raisers." The sheriff certainly does not get to keep revenue generated through traffic citations.

Laws, and rules, are there for a reason. And, yes...safety is a big part of their existence. Ignoring laws, simply because someone may not be posing a threat in a particular snapshot of a moment, is ignorant. What's next? Is driving while impaired OK as long as you don't kill anyone? Is stealing OK if you really need the money? Is assault OK if that guy really pushed your button? Hopefully, you get the drift.

If all motorists (and golf car drivers) simply did their part and obeyed the laws, there would be drastically fewer incidents that result in people getting hurt. Remember...driving is a privilege, not your right.

Yes...Yes...and Yes. I applaud you and this post. (So many of the old fart Villagers think their s$#& doesn't stink, they know all...so maddening)
Thank you

Spalumbos62
07-21-2021, 08:47 AM
so now you can only post about cops, good or bad, if you put on a costume and pulled a dead 8 year old from a wreck.
Got it.

omg!!! You are clueless

DAVES
07-21-2021, 08:51 AM
So says the man who obviously never wore the uniform, or had to pull the dead 8 year-old out from under the speeding SUV, whose driver was in a hurry to get to a pedicure appointment.

Law enforcement agencies do not use enhanced enforcement campaigns as "fund raisers." The sheriff certainly does not get to keep revenue generated through traffic citations.

Laws, and rules, are there for a reason. And, yes...safety is a big part of their existence. Ignoring laws, simply because someone may not be posing a threat in a particular snapshot of a moment, is ignorant. What's next? Is driving while impaired OK as long as you don't kill anyone? Is stealing OK if you really need the money? Is assault OK if that guy really pushed your button? Hopefully, you get the drift.

If all motorists (and golf car drivers) simply did their part and obeyed the laws, there would be drastically fewer incidents that result in people getting hurt. Remember...driving is a privilege, not your right.

As a friend says, just because they get older does not mean they grow up.

Bill14564
07-21-2021, 08:54 AM
For those that are in strong support for cracking down on speeding, just what are you personally willing to be ticketed for?

- Driving 65 in a 35? I imagine we all could agree on that

- Driving 40 up the south section of Morse between 44 and 466?

- Driving 23 in a circle?

- Driving 32 on Pinellas? Would you truly accept that you were being unsafe at two miles over the limit?

Anecdote: The local authorities in another state lowered the speed limits in a community from 30 to 25. They didn't do this because 27 had become an unsafe speed, they did this so the ticket at 32 was now seven mph over the limit rather than 2 mph over and had a better chance of holding up in traffic court. Are our roads marked at the maximum safe speed or was the speed chosen for some other reason?

I personally support reasonable speed limits and reasonable traffic enforcement. The problem, of course, is everyone has a different idea of what "reasonable" is.

golfing eagles
07-21-2021, 08:55 AM
I drive the speed limit in The Villages, as do most people. Where your going 50 on Morse is dangerous for me is when I’m trying to make a left turn, especially in a golf cart. I look at a car in the distance, assume it is going 35, but it’s actually going 50 and is coming up on me much faster than I expected. Because traffic on north Morse during busy periods is dependent on lights—cars come in spurts of twenty or thirty at a time—I can often squeeze a left turn in before a slower oncoming car, but I have to watch out for the cars that speed up to close the gap and arrive at the next light two seconds faster.

Read the parenthetical statement about Morse---there ARE NO left turns in a golf cart on Morse south of 466

golfing eagles
07-21-2021, 09:01 AM
Safety IS the reason. There is a reason why speed limits exist.

So which is safer------a NASCAR champion or a 90 year old who can't see well, both driving 45 on 466A???? Do you really think they are both EQUALLY safe because the same arbitrary limit is placed on BOTH of them????
If it were feasible (and yes, I know it isn't), I would favor a rating system that set a "speed limit" based on the driver's ability.

Spalumbos62
07-21-2021, 09:05 AM
So which is safer------a NASCAR champion or a 90 year old who can't see well, both driving 45 on 466A???? Do you really think they are both EQUALLY safe because the same arbitrary limit is placed on BOTH of them????
If it were feasible (and yes, I know it isn't), I would favor a rating system that set a "speed limit" based on the driver's ability.


If that system was enforced we'd lose about 60% of TV drivers.

conman5652@aol.com
07-21-2021, 09:10 AM
We lost our son due to impaired driver last February. He was driving the wrong way on I 70. His two sons and wife will never have his love and knowledge.
How many family members must u lose to stop justifying these remarks u are making.
The laws r there for our safety.
Obeying them is how we as a society keep the chaos from running wild.
I had a state trooper say that as long as u follow the flow of traffic even if u r above the posted limit they will not intercede.
So please I hope u would understand where I’m coming from

Jerry101
07-21-2021, 09:11 AM
Posted on Facebook by the Sumter County Sheriff's Office:

"The Sumter County Sheriff's Office is participating in a tough new speed enforcement blitz under the tagline: “Obey the Sign or Pay the Fine.” The intensified enforcement effort against speeding drivers underscores the severity of the problem both locally and across the nation. This initiative will take place beginning Monday, July 19th - July 24th."

… I really wish they would enforce the speed limits around here until the Lord returns. Those that ‘preach’ ‘it’s not the person doing 10 or 15 over the speed limit that’s the problem… it’s the ones doing under the speed limit who are the problem’! POPPYCOCK!!! Slow down!!! Obey the traffic laws!!! Those that get frustrated with people following the ‘rules’ are the ones at fault … and you know if you are one of them! … and please don’t let me get going on those who can’t or won’t park between the lines!!! 😎

SugarOnMyTongue
07-21-2021, 09:19 AM
Ever watch a NASCAR "restrictor plate" race.....all cars are limited to a very similar speed, they all get clustered together and when something bad happens many cars crash.

Traveling a bit over the speed limit isn't a bad thing, if it serves to stretch out traffic vs. clustering it. It actually allows many to remain sane, driving with cars on surrounding you makes many very nervous and leads to aggressive driving (road rage).

Chasing down the 5-7 mph over drivers is really chasing a revenue stream and not helping public safety. Chasing down those going above that, the reckless, the "street racers", etc. is taking action to make roads safer and i hope is where efforts are focused.

So, anybody know with the goal of this effort is? The casual speeder who arguably is trying to drive safe or the reckless driver putting others in jeopardy?

Polish Golfer
07-21-2021, 09:27 AM
I really hope the catch a lot of speeders and they should also look for those who got through stop signs. It's about time!

yabbadu
07-21-2021, 09:31 AM
The reason I speed is because the Doofas in front of me is doing 10 MPH under the speed limit!

golfing eagles
07-21-2021, 09:32 AM
… I really wish they would enforce the speed limits around here until the Lord returns. Those that ‘preach’ ‘it’s not the person doing 10 or 15 over the speed limit that’s the problem… it’s the ones doing under the speed limit who are the problem’! POPPYCOCK!!! Slow down!!! Obey the traffic laws!!! Those that get frustrated with people following the ‘rules’ are the ones at fault … and you know if you are one of them! … and please don’t let me get going on those who can’t or won’t park between the lines!!! 😎

You are SOOOOOOO wrong. The person going well under the limit is a far bigger problem then those that are going 10 over (not 20 or 30+ over, but 10, which is also like a golf cart going 2 over). I'm sure you've witnessed the mayhem that ensues when some bozo is going 55 in the left lane of an interstate, or even 25 on BV or Morse south of 466. Those drivers are not "following the rules", they are road litter and should turn their licenses in, because, as stated before, they might not get into an accident, but will surely cause one

golfing eagles
07-21-2021, 09:33 AM
I really hope the catch a lot of speeders and they should also look for those who got through stop signs. It's about time!

You mean issue a bunch of tickets to cyclists?????

golfing eagles
07-21-2021, 09:33 AM
If that system was enforced we'd lose about 60% of TV drivers.

Hence, the "not feasible" part

Jerry101
07-21-2021, 09:34 AM
So which is safer------a NASCAR champion or a 90 year old who can't see well, both driving 45 on 466A???? Do you really think they are both EQUALLY safe because the same arbitrary limit is placed on BOTH of them????
If it were feasible (and yes, I know it isn't), I would favor a rating system that set a "speed limit" based on the driver's ability.

… I’ll take “the dumbest thing I’ve ever read for $200 Alex.”

… 🙄

golfing eagles
07-21-2021, 09:35 AM
… I’ll take “the dumbest thing I’ve ever read for $200 Alex.”



are you referring to your post?????
Since I take it you feel those 2 drivers have equal skill levels

Rosebud1949
07-21-2021, 09:49 AM
I like cops. There, I said it. Does that mean I like bad cops? No. Of course not. Every segment of society has some bad apples. Does that mean you have to use the word ‘good’ every time you refer to a group like the cops? Absolutely not.

Yes, I like cops.
Damned if you do stop folk speeding, and fine them, and damned if you dont, and have to scrape folk off the road when they are killed by someone speeding, and NOT in control. The boy racers, the median lane huggers, the "I dont know what to do at a traffic circle" folk, but get in everyone's way. All as bad as each other. SLOW DOWN. Why blame the cops, you are breaking the law, they deal with it, and the ATTITUDE you give them..... what a job..... no wonder they are leaving in droves.

jjombrello
07-21-2021, 09:51 AM
Excellent post. Spot on.

Jerry101
07-21-2021, 09:54 AM
You are SOOOOOOO wrong. The person going well under the limit is a far bigger problem then those that are going 10 over (not 20 or 30+ over, but 10, which is also like a golf cart going 2 over). I'm sure you've witnessed the mayhem that ensues when some bozo is going 55 in the left lane of an interstate, or even 25 on BV or Morse south of 466. Those drivers are not "following the rules", they are road litter and should turn their licenses in, because, as stated before, they might not get into an accident, but will surely cause one

… are you kidding me??? You think people doing 25 on BV or Morse are a problem?!?!? You can’t be serious … let alone there are round-a-bouts to deal with where the limit drops to 20! If this ‘argument’ we’re a 🥊 boxing match you would be counted out 🥳 …

golfing eagles
07-21-2021, 09:59 AM
… are you kidding me??? You think people doing 25 on BV or Morse are a problem?!?!? You can’t be serious … let alone there are round-a-bouts to deal with where the limit drops to 20! If this ‘argument’ we’re a 🥊 boxing match you would be counted out 🥳 …

Actually,

Wyseguy
07-21-2021, 10:23 AM
Some of you may enjoy this controversial YouTube channel, regardless of your opinion on law enforcement efforts.
Lawsuit After INSANE Arrest - 73 Year Old With Dementia - Part 1 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/IY62LQDR69M)

This is exactly what I mean. Most cops are good, however those that are bad have an inordinate ability to harm, destroy or end citizens lives.

Bill14564
07-21-2021, 10:43 AM
… are you kidding me??? You think people doing 25 on BV or Morse are a problem?!?!? You can’t be serious … let alone there are round-a-bouts to deal with where the limit drops to 20! If this ‘argument’ we’re a 🥊 boxing match you would be counted out 🥳 …

Absolutely a problem. As has been explained at least twice before, people driving significantly under the speed limit cause others to take action to maneuver around them. This means changing lanes on the straight stretches and possibly changing lanes in the circles. And if they are successful in building a line of cars behind them then it means a line trying to get into the next circle which everyone knows causes problems as well.

Plus, it is almost certain that the person driving significantly under the speed limit will want to turn left at a circle. To be "safe" they will place themselves into the left lane far in advance of the circle which will result in other drivers using the right lane as the passing lane.

If a driver feels unsafe traveling at 35 mph on Morse or BV then that driver should reconsider whether they should be behind the wheel.

golfing eagles
07-21-2021, 10:53 AM
Absolutely a problem. As has been explained at least twice before, people driving significantly under the speed limit cause others to take action to maneuver around them. This means changing lanes on the straight stretches and possibly changing lanes in the circles. And if they are successful in building a line of cars behind them then it means a line trying to get into the next circle which everyone knows causes problems as well.

Plus, it is almost certain that the person driving significantly under the speed limit will want to turn left at a circle. To be "safe" they will place themselves into the left lane far in advance of the circle which will result in other drivers using the right lane as the passing lane.

If a driver feels unsafe traveling at 35 mph on Morse or BV then that driver should reconsider whether they should be behind the wheel.

Absolutely!!!!!

I don't understand why some other people just don't get it. Again, I've been drawn into this even though I don't speed and don't have a dog in this fight. But since I'm here, I think there should be equal opportunity for a citation. In NY, the unofficial rule was "eight you skate, nine you're mine" referring to going 8 or 9 mph over the limit. I would add those same parameters to going 8 or 9 UNDER the limit. Also, how many left lane Louie's know they are REQUIRED to pull over if someone wants to pass, even if they are going the limit?

Spalumbos62
07-21-2021, 12:34 PM
Actually,

Sadly, you are wrong...you just think you are right and try very aggressively to get others to believe you. Hummmm, wonder how you drive?

golfing eagles
07-21-2021, 12:40 PM
Sadly, you are wrong...you just think you are right and try very aggressively to get others to believe you. Hummmm, wonder how you drive?

Sorry to disagree, but I am NOT wrong. I never said people significantly exceeding the speed limit were not a threat, but 5 or 10 above by a COMPETANT driver is superior to 10 below by a left lane Louie, and both are better than an incompetent driver whether that be by alcohol, texting or age. I don't have to "try aggressively" to get others to agree----the story speaks for itself, and there are plenty that agree. I doubt you will be among them:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Nucky
07-21-2021, 12:55 PM
Absolutely!!!!!

I don't understand why some other people just don't get it. Again, I've been drawn into this even though I don't speed and don't have a dog in this fight. But since I'm here, I think there should be equal opportunity for a citation. In NY, the unofficial rule was "eight you skate, nine you're mine" referring to going 8 or 9 mph over the limit. I would add those same parameters to going 8 or 9 UNDER the limit. Also, how many left lane Louie's know they are REQUIRED to pull over if someone wants to pass, even if they are going the limit?

Not many people will understand what you were laying down. We come from a unique place where common sense, not the laying down the law to the letter was applied. I like your 8 or 9 M.P.H. examples.

People have to be careful of us Northerners. We use common sense way too much. We are even more dangerous when we is the edumacated type of Northerner, like you Dr. Unedumacated types are really really dangerous, like me.

I'm with you. I have no dog in dis fight. It's amusing that people think that those who have driven the way they do for a lifetime will change because they read it in a forum that it's bad to speed. WWJWD = What would John_W Do? :1rotfl::1rotfl: :mademyday:

kcrazorbackfan
07-21-2021, 02:14 PM
Posted on Facebook by the Sumter County Sheriff's Office:

"The Sumter County Sheriff's Office is participating in a tough new speed enforcement blitz under the tagline: “Obey the Sign or Pay the Fine.” The intensified enforcement effort against speeding drivers underscores the severity of the problem both locally and across the nation. This initiative will take place beginning Monday, July 19th - July 24th."

Yeah, right; really going to get tough on speeders for 1 week. Wow, I bet that took a lot of hand wrangling to do that.

I wish we had a no nonsense Sheriff like Grady Judd in Polk County. It’s time for our “never stop anyone” Sheriff to retire.

Gpsma
07-21-2021, 02:30 PM
Beans over cornbread????

Lol...ask our beloved GracieGirl about that.

Years ago, before i moved here, i said we need to have a halal chicken and rice vendor.

Gracie didnt understan what that was..NYC street food from a cart. She thought it was high elegant food and said...we from the midwest are use to simple food like beans over cornbread.
Another poster explained...its far from fancy.

But thats our GracieGirl. Still trying to perfect making it at home. Once i do it...im delivering her a nice meal

Spalumbos62
07-21-2021, 02:31 PM
Hence, the "not feasible" part


We can all chime in...gaslighting is not necessary.

Spalumbos62
07-21-2021, 02:43 PM
Sorry to disagree, but I am NOT wrong. I never said people significantly exceeding the speed limit were not a threat, but 5 or 10 above by a COMPETANT driver is superior to 10 below by a left lane Louie, and both are better than an incompetent driver whether that be by alcohol, texting or age. I don't have to "try aggressively" to get others to agree----the story speaks for itself, and there are plenty that agree. I doubt you will be among them:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:


I am sure there are many more accidents resulting from speed rather than going too slow. Ending your post to everyone with rude, yes aggressive comments really is not mature, or pleasant, in addition, adding the silly floor slapping emoji only supports my point.

With that said, you sometimes make interesting points, I wish they didn't present in such a negative way, all the time.

golfing eagles
07-21-2021, 02:53 PM
I am sure there are many more accidents resulting from speed rather than going too slow. Ending your post to everyone with rude, yes aggressive comments really is not mature, or pleasant, in addition, adding the silly floor slapping emoji only supports my point.

With that said, you sometimes make interesting points, I wish they didn't present in such a negative way, all the time.

But I like my rolling, laughing emoji :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Also consider this: When an accident occurs due to speed, it's usually obvious and labelled as such. But when an accident occurs due to a slow driver, it isn't as obvious, and probably not blamed on him/her

butlerism
07-21-2021, 06:07 PM
Total agreement.
Travel in your cart with your phone aligned to snap video.

I was making a 100% legal left turn. Signaling and all.

Despite.... no one behind me, I wait to make my turn and some Jack$$$ whooshes by me crossing over the solid white line (golf cart lane) and passes me.

One of those passes where your car kneels over a bit, due to the air pressure of a rapidly advancing car.
Wish I was in my truck. I have the video, I would have followed them and have police arrive.
They will ticket by video

It is a public safety thing

Incoblack1
07-21-2021, 11:03 PM
Be careful what you wish for.

Again, I personally don't speed, so no dog in this fight either,------however.....

Someone going 45 or even 50 on BV or Morse (south of 466) doesn't bother me in the least---they will just pass me and be on their way, and they are not a safety hazard. It's the person going 25 that poses a greater risk---as everybody makes some lame move to get around them. They won't get into an accident, but they will cause them

The persons driving above the limit are, for the most part, younger with better vision and reflexes than average. I don't think a NASCAR champion would poses a risk regardless of their speed. The 90 year old who can't see above the steering wheel is the threat, so go ticket them when they drive 20.

I don't see why so many Villagers get their undies in a bunch when someone passes them. I get passed all the time when going the speed limit----SO WHAT

It's a much nicer world when everyone plays by the same rules!

Incoblack1
07-21-2021, 11:16 PM
For those that are in strong support for cracking down on speeding, just what are you personally willing to be ticketed for?

- Driving 65 in a 35? I imagine we all could agree on that

- Driving 40 up the south section of Morse between 44 and 466?

- Driving 23 in a circle?

- Driving 32 on Pinellas? Would you truly accept that you were being unsafe at two miles over the limit?

Anecdote: The local authorities in another state lowered the speed limits in a community from 30 to 25. They didn't do this because 27 had become an unsafe speed, they did this so the ticket at 32 was now seven mph over the limit rather than 2 mph over and had a better chance of holding up in traffic court. Are our roads marked at the maximum safe speed or was the speed chosen for some other reason?

I personally support reasonable speed limits and reasonable traffic enforcement. The problem, of course, is everyone has a different idea of what "reasonable" is.

If you don't agree with the speed limits get them changed but don't make your own limits. The limits were set for a reason you may not understand but the traffic engineers do!

golfing eagles
07-22-2021, 11:33 AM
It's a much nicer world when everyone plays by the same rules!

And part of that nicer world is when the speed limit "rule" is 70 on a 3 lane in each direction interstate, some bozo isn't going 55 in the far left lane.

And I will still maintain that that driver is as much or greater CAUSE of accidents than those going 80. I would like to know what the LEOs on this site really think----not "the law is the law" , but what is the cause of more accidents. If not, just ask the truckers, since they will generally tell you it is the slow drivers

And just to pose the question another way-----what do you think causes more accidents---someone driving straight in one lane, or having to frequently change lanes to get past the slugs? The answer is obvious, so again, LEO should be out ticketing the clowns as well as the speeders

frose
07-22-2021, 05:22 PM
I hope someone does speed monitoring on golf carts also..I see more of a problem with them than with the cars.. The real enforcement needs is for directional signals.. Apparently they are an option on florida cars that not many people have.

golfing eagles
07-22-2021, 05:26 PM
I hope someone does speed monitoring on golf carts also..I see more of a problem with them than with the cars.. The real enforcement needs is for directional signals.. Apparently they are an option on florida cars that not many people have.

So, based on your vast experience of days on this site and possibly as a Villager, just what is the problem that exceeds those of cars???? And are talking carts going 21 or 30+?

woodcocd
07-30-2021, 07:49 AM
I have lived in Polo ridge for 4 years now and never have seen a SCP pull anyone over for speeding. I travel 466, Bono Vista and Southern Trace daily and see speeders continue go 15 - 20 MPH over the Limit. Don't ever get in the way of FedEx or UPS you will be run over as we know. Not to mention the people that don't know they have a turn signal on their car. Its really funny when they put a unmanned patrol car out there and grass goes up under it:) David

villagetinker
07-30-2021, 07:55 AM
IMHO, they could have written the 29 tickets in one morning on Buena Vista alone.

Stu from NYC
07-30-2021, 12:47 PM
IMHO, they could have written the 29 tickets in one morning on Buena Vista alone.

Stop signs are routinely ignored, either enforce them or remove them and lets play demolition derby.

eyc234
07-30-2021, 05:20 PM
It is a law not a choice. Where do people get that they can choose what law they want to obey and what law they want to ignore. If that is the new rule I am going to start hiring techies to steal only a dollar or two out of peoples bank accounts on a monthly basis. Seems fair to me, not taking it all only 1 or 2 dollars, what is it hurting!! If you do not like a law work to get it changed. Stop breaking the law!!

GrumpyOldMan
07-30-2021, 07:30 PM
I am sure there are many more accidents resulting from speed rather than going too slow. Ending your post to everyone with rude, yes aggressive comments really is not mature, or pleasant, in addition, adding the silly floor slapping emoji only supports my point.

With that said, you sometimes make interesting points, I wish they didn't present in such a negative way, all the time.

Well, a quick google will show the first dozen or so results are insurance companies. They all agree, driving too slow is more likely to result in an accident than driving too fast.

I expect they HAVE a horse in this race, called profit.

GrumpyOldMan
07-30-2021, 07:32 PM
It is a law not a choice. Where do people get that they can choose what law they want to obey and what law they want to ignore. If that is the new rule I am going to start hiring techies to steal only a dollar or two out of peoples bank accounts on a monthly basis. Seems fair to me, not taking it all only 1 or 2 dollars, what is it hurting!! If you do not like a law work to get it changed. Stop breaking the law!!

Hmmm. Let me see. "I got rights by god, no one can tell me what to do"...

Just saying it seems I have heard the answer to your question here a few times...

And I am 100% in agreement with, "stop breaking the law, if you don't like it work to change it". YUP!