Traveling to Florida - CDC warning about new COVID-19 cases

[manaboutown]

“If we’re going to talk about traveling to the U.K., then we should also caution Americans about traveling to Florida,” Hilton said. “Right now, one in every five new COVID cases are coming out of Florida.”

During a press briefing Friday, White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Jeffrey Zients said four states accounted for more than 40% of all cases in the past week, with 20% of new cases occurring in Florida alone.

In Florida, only 47% of the population is fully vaccinated as the state is seeing an average of 55.1 daily new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people, the highest rate in the country, according to data from the Brown School of Public Health. And according to the Florida Department of Health's weekly COVID-19 report, the number of new COVID-19 cases nearly doubled in the state last week from the prior week."

From: Delta variant: Doctor cautions Americans about traveling to Florida (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-variant-doctor-cautions-americans-about-traveling-to-florida-145905680.html)

[JMintzer]

“If we’re going to talk about traveling to the U.K., then we should also caution Americans about traveling to Florida,” Hilton said. “Right now, one in every five new COVID cases are coming out of Florida.”

During a press briefing Friday, White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Jeffrey Zients said four states accounted for more than 40% of all cases in the past week, with 20% of new cases occurring in Florida alone.

In Florida, only 47% of the population is fully vaccinated as the state is seeing an average of 55.1 daily new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people, the highest rate in the country, according to data from the Brown School of Public Health. And according to the Florida Department of Health's weekly COVID-19 report, the number of new COVID-19 cases nearly doubled in the state last week from the prior week."

From: Delta variant: Doctor cautions Americans about traveling to Florida (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-variant-doctor-cautions-americans-about-traveling-to-florida-145905680.html)

Only 47%.?.. I just checked... "Fully vaccinated=48%" "At least 1 dose=56%"

What is the national rate? "Fully Vaccinated=49%" "At least 1 dose=57%

US COVID-19 Vaccine Progress Tracker | Vaccinations by State | USAFacts (https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ND-COVID-Vaccine&gclid=EAIaIQobChMImbe1kOz08QIVA5SzCh3HbA1UEAAYASAA EgKiT_D_BwE)

[billethkid]

The scare agenda continues!

[jdulej]

“If we’re going to talk about traveling to the U.K., then we should also caution Americans about traveling to Florida,” Hilton said. “Right now, one in every five new COVID cases are coming out of Florida.”

During a press briefing Friday, White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Jeffrey Zients said four states accounted for more than 40% of all cases in the past week, with 20% of new cases occurring in Florida alone.

In Florida, only 47% of the population is fully vaccinated as the state is seeing an average of 55.1 daily new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people, the highest rate in the country, according to data from the Brown School of Public Health. And according to the Florida Department of Health's weekly COVID-19 report, the number of new COVID-19 cases nearly doubled in the state last week from the prior week."

From: Delta variant: Doctor cautions Americans about traveling to Florida (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-variant-doctor-cautions-americans-about-traveling-to-florida-145905680.html)

If you read the original news article from Yahoo it's more clear that the "Hilton" person referred to in the first paragraph above is not representing The White House or the CDC. I don't think the CDC or the administration are suggesting people not travel
to Florida.

[Rose Ann Vinci Igoe]

“If we’re going to talk about traveling to the U.K., then we should also caution Americans about traveling to Florida,” Hilton said. “Right now, one in every five new COVID cases are coming out of Florida.”

During a press briefing Friday, White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Jeffrey Zients said four states accounted for more than 40% of all cases in the past week, with 20% of new cases occurring in Florida alone.

In Florida, only 47% of the population is fully vaccinated as the state is seeing an average of 55.1 daily new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people, the highest rate in the country, according to data from the Brown School of Public Health. And according to the Florida Department of Health's weekly COVID-19 report, the number of new COVID-19 cases nearly doubled in the state last week from the prior week."

From: Delta variant: Doctor cautions Americans about traveling to Florida (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-variant-doctor-cautions-americans-about-traveling-to-florida-145905680.html)
majority that are getting the virus are not vaccinated.

[manaboutown]

If you read the original news article from Yahoo it's more clear that the "Hilton" person referred to in the first paragraph above is not representing The White House or the CDC. I don't think the CDC or the administration are suggesting people not travel
to Florida.

Right you are, thanks. I have tried to change the title to reflect that fact but have been unsuccessful so far.

[billethkid]

majority that are getting the virus are not vaccinated.

As high as 90+% are those not vaccinated (the not vaccinated pandemic!?)
And 75% of the new cases are the Delta strain.

[John41]

“If we’re going to talk about traveling to the U.K., then we should also caution Americans about traveling to Florida,” Hilton said. “Right now, one in every five new COVID cases are coming out of Florida.”

During a press briefing Friday, White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Jeffrey Zients said four states accounted for more than 40% of all cases in the past week, with 20% of new cases occurring in Florida alone.

In Florida, only 47% of the population is fully vaccinated as the state is seeing an average of 55.1 daily new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people, the highest rate in the country, according to data from the Brown School of Public Health. And according to the Florida Department of Health's weekly COVID-19 report, the number of new COVID-19 cases nearly doubled in the state last week from the prior week."

From: Delta variant: Doctor cautions Americans about traveling to Florida (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-variant-doctor-cautions-americans-about-traveling-to-florida-145905680.html)

Tampa is having a triple problem with bronchitis, Covid and red tide associated respiratory issues.

[Love2Swim]

I read that Sumter County is averaging 19 cases per day, the number of cases is on the rise, and the county is high risk for unvaccinated people. And there are people who have been vaccinated who have had break through infection, and although I personally know some who are very sick, they are not in the hospital. Even though we in the community are probably (and I'm guessing here) maybe 80% vaccinated, people are visiting family or have grandkids who are not vaccinated, which could fuel the spread. Even though vaccinated, I wear a mask in some public settings like the grocery store, to protect other whose immunity may be compromised (cancer treatments for example) who have been unable to be vaccinated or the vaccination may not be as effective for them. And to help control the spread of variants and mutations.

[Michaellinda]

What is the death rate? What is the hospitalization rate? Reporting only on new cases per 100,000 people is a game being played with statistics.

[Girlcopper]

“If we’re going to talk about traveling to the U.K., then we should also caution Americans about traveling to Florida,” Hilton said. “Right now, one in every five new COVID cases are coming out of Florida.”

During a press briefing Friday, White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Jeffrey Zients said four states accounted for more than 40% of all cases in the past week, with 20% of new cases occurring in Florida alone.

In Florida, only 47% of the population is fully vaccinated as the state is seeing an average of 55.1 daily new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people, the highest rate in the country, according to data from the Brown School of Public Health. And according to the Florida Department of Health's weekly COVID-19 report, the number of new COVID-19 cases nearly doubled in the state last week from the prior week."

From: Delta variant: Doctor cautions Americans about traveling to Florida (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-variant-doctor-cautions-americans-about-traveling-to-florida-145905680.html)
Here we go again. “The sky is falling”. Get vaccinated. If not, have your affairs in order. Simple

[mike234]

it's time for single riders in the carts again.

[Sheltie-Lover]

Death is not a game

[Cheapbas]

Only 47%.?.. I just checked... "Fully vaccinated=48%" "At least 1 dose=56%"

What is the national rate? "Fully Vaccinated=49%" "At least 1 dose=57%

US COVID-19 Vaccine Progress Tracker | Vaccinations by State | USAFacts (https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ND-COVID-Vaccine&gclid=EAIaIQobChMImbe1kOz08QIVA5SzCh3HbA1UEAAYASAA EgKiT_D_BwE)

I wonder what percent of the 48% FV are snowbirds and people who flocked to Florida early on to get ahead in line. It could be upwards towards a million vaccinations right? So is the real number 48 or low 40s

[Bay Kid]

The media needs to stir the pot to keep the pressure off what our leaders are doing.

[Hiltongrizz11]

Death is not a game but politics is. It's a game that some play for keeps in the risk you, the risk me, and the lie about diseases and viruses to maintain power. There is a whistleblower right now for the CDC that is signing under The penalty of perjury that the CDC is hiding the thousands and thousands of deaths that vaccines are causing to the tune of about six to eight times what they're reporting.

[FromNY]

1.Who is keeping count? The hairdresser or the health department.
2.Positvie cases ? How do we know 5hey are testing each of those for the variants?
3.Which vaccine did those with breakthrough positive Covid-19 have?
4. Tell us if a positive vaccinated human had vaccine A B or C. Show us what a positive variant test looks like.
5.Mask is a choice. Just like seat belts, speeding,smoking etc . Protection with mask is for me not you. I am vaccinated do not trust you are. Know children under 12 are not.
6. Live a healthy lifestyle. Strength to your immune system comes from your choices.The vaccine will help but nothing will prevent it 100%. Covid-19 is not going away. Live your life and respect others who choose to live differently. I was against the vaccine initially. After much research my choice was for J&J due to the fact it had nothing in it that I was allergic to. Had horrid reaction. And yet since the shot other immune issues have seen a vast improvement. AS ADULTS we are responsible to our selves to maintain our health and wellness. At this point I am more curious which vaccine the people had if they get sick?We have the Unvaccinated. We have vaccinated positive. We have straight Covid-19 and Variants. We have those who had vaccine A B or C. And we have a state that dies not count well. Make your choices according to your needs.

[Mac1996]

What about all the illegals coming in that the government is flying all over this great country.

[Papa_lecki]

Only 47%.?.. I just checked... "Fully vaccinated=48%" "At least 1 dose=56%"

What is the national rate? "Fully Vaccinated=49%" "At least 1 dose=57%

US COVID-19 Vaccine Progress Tracker | Vaccinations by State | USAFacts (https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ND-COVID-Vaccine&gclid=EAIaIQobChMImbe1kOz08QIVA5SzCh3HbA1UEAAYASAA EgKiT_D_BwE)
Please stop doing research and using facts to counter a narrative

[Bay Kid]

Why doesn't the world want to know how this virus really started? A bat, or a bat in a lab? Who is behind this and the reason?

[Bay Kid]

What about all the illegals coming in that the government is flying all over this great country.

We must follow the rules but not the leaders and their illegals.

[Annie66]

The scare agenda continues!

Sounds like you are one of the 43% not vaccinated.

[jbrown132]

Get Vaccinated then you don’t have to worry about it. If you do have a breakthrough case it will be extremely mild. Stop the fear mongering.

[PJackpot]

As high as 90+% are those not vaccinated (the not vaccinated pandemic!?)
And 75% of the new cases are the Delta strain.

Oddly enough reports from the UK and Israel state that 40% of COVID hospitalizations are folks who have been fully vaccinated. Of course, our CDC doesn't agree because they stopped counting hospitalizations of vaccinated patients. Doesn't support their narrative, is my guess.

[JMintzer]

I see "statistics after statistics" without a shred of evidence to back them up...

Only "I heard" or "I read"... WHERE did you hear it? Where did you read it?

It's all just noise at this point...

[PJackpot]

I read that Sumter County is averaging 19 cases per day, the number of cases is on the rise, and the county is high risk for unvaccinated people. And there are people who have been vaccinated who have had break through infection, and although I personally know some who are very sick, they are not in the hospital. Even though we in the community are probably (and I'm guessing here) maybe 80% vaccinated, people are visiting family or have grandkids who are not vaccinated, which could fuel the spread. Even though vaccinated, I wear a mask in some public settings like the grocery store, to protect other whose immunity may be compromised (cancer treatments for example) who have been unable to be vaccinated or the vaccination may not be as effective for them. And to help control the spread of variants and mutations.

So, in other words you think you could still infect someone else even though you've been fully vaccinated? Sounds to me like you don't have much faith in the very vaccine you promote. So, tell me again why I should get vaccinated.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Death is not a game but politics is. It's a game that some play for keeps in the risk you, the risk me, and the lie about diseases and viruses to maintain power. There is a whistleblower right now for the CDC that is signing under The penalty of perjury that the CDC is hiding the thousands and thousands of deaths that vaccines are causing to the tune of about six to eight times what they're reporting.

Where is the information on this whistle-blowing incident?

The most recent thing I can find when I do a web search for "CDC Whistleblower" is from December of last year, from the Kaiser Family Foundation website:

In a letter to CDC Director Robert R. Redfield and his superior, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, Rep. James E. Clyburn (D-S.C.) expressed “serious concern about what may be deliberate efforts by the Trump Administration to conceal and destroy evidence that senior political appointees interfered with career officials’ response to the coronavirus crisis at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.” (Bernstein and Sun, 12/10)

Whistleblower: CDC Told To Destroy Documents | Kaiser Health News (https://khn.org/morning-breakout/whistleblower-cdc-told-to-destroy-documents/)

[PJackpot]

1.Who is keeping count? The hairdresser or the health department.
2.Positvie cases ? How do we know 5hey are testing each of those for the variants?
3.Which vaccine did those with breakthrough positive Covid-19 have?
4. Tell us if a positive vaccinated human had vaccine A B or C. Show us what a positive variant test looks like.
5.Mask is a choice. Just like seat belts, speeding,smoking etc . Protection with mask is for me not you. I am vaccinated do not trust you are. Know children under 12 are not.
6. Live a healthy lifestyle. Strength to your immune system comes from your choices.The vaccine will help but nothing will prevent it 100%. Covid-19 is not going away. Live your life and respect others who choose to live differently. I was against the vaccine initially. After much research my choice was for J&J due to the fact it had nothing in it that I was allergic to. Had horrid reaction. And yet since the shot other immune issues have seen a vast improvement. AS ADULTS we are responsible to our selves to maintain our health and wellness. At this point I am more curious which vaccine the people had if they get sick?We have the Unvaccinated. We have vaccinated positive. We have straight Covid-19 and Variants. We have those who had vaccine A B or C. And we have a state that dies not count well. Make your choices according to your needs.

So, you agree to a vaccine that you don't believe will fully protect you?

[Petersweeney]

I would love to flash forward 10 years and watch the PBS Frontline story on COVID when a lot of these politicians are GONE!

[PJackpot]

"Getting the vaccine and then wearing a mask is like getting a vasectomy and then wearing two condoms".

[bmit16]

“If we’re going to talk about traveling to the U.K., then we should also caution Americans about traveling to Florida,” Hilton said. “Right now, one in every five new COVID cases are coming out of Florida.”

During a press briefing Friday, White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Jeffrey Zients said four states accounted for more than 40% of all cases in the past week, with 20% of new cases occurring in Florida alone.

In Florida, only 47% of the population is fully vaccinated as the state is seeing an average of 55.1 daily new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people, the highest rate in the country, according to data from the Brown School of Public Health. And according to the Florida Department of Health's weekly COVID-19 report, the number of new COVID-19 cases nearly doubled in the state last week from the prior week."

From: Delta variant: Doctor cautions Americans about traveling to Florida (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-variant-doctor-cautions-americans-about-traveling-to-florida-145905680.html)

Has anyone else noticed that the CDC is no longer reporting how many people that have been vaccinated are being infected. They are only reporting vaccinated hospitalizations and deaths. Could it be that goes against their agenda to get people vaccinated? Follow the money folks. Somebody is making a lot of money when vaccines are given. They still refuse to talk about the over 35 million people who have had covid and as a result have the best immunities and the lowest by far rate of reinfection.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Has anyone else noticed that the CDC is no longer reporting how many people that have been vaccinated are being infected. They are only reporting vaccinated hospitalizations and deaths. Could it be that goes against their agenda to get people vaccinated? Follow the money folks. Somebody is making a lot of money when vaccines are given. They still refuse to talk about the over 35 million people who have had covid and as a result have the best immunities and the lowest by far rate of reinfection.

They've already explained this. I'll explain it in terms I know, as someone who isn't a scientist or medical practitioner:

If you are vaccinated, it means your risk of getting SICK if the virus is passed to you, has been minimized. The virus can still pass to you, but you would not be "infected."

Sort of like it someone passes you a plate of steak. You now have the steak. But if you don't eat the stake, you still have possession of it, without it being absorbed into your system. You can then pass that steak along to someone else.

The difference between the virus and the steak, is that YOU don't get to decide whether or not you consume the steak. Your stomach decides. If your stomach wants the steak, it forces you to eat it, and then you have the steak in your stomach.

The virus works the same way. You can't just say "Okay - I'm vaccinated now, I choose not to get the virus." The virus can still come TO you - and your immune system says, "not today, Satan" and pushes the virus along to someone else. Or the immune system might say "I have a headache, I can't be bothered today" and the virus enters your system even though you are vaccinated. HOWEVER as soon as that happens, the rest of your body is stronger than ever because of that vaccine, and the vaccine never gets a chance to cause any damage. It will find "nothing of interest" and pass out of your system.

What's going on, in a less metaphorical sense is this:

The CDC knows that some people who are vaccinated will have that virus transmitted to them, which would result in a positive test. But that test no longer really means anything, unless that vaccinated person actually gets sick. THAT is when it needs to matter. Of all the people who have been vaccinated, how many have gotten SICK from the virus?

So it isn't counting people who test positive, because it's no longer relevant.

The only people for whom a positive test matters, is people who are NOT vaccinated.

[Phantomf8]

Agree!

[heenables]

Where is the information on this whistle-blowing incident?

The most recent thing I can find when I do a web search for "CDC Whistleblower" is from December of last year, from the Kaiser Family Foundation website:


Whistleblower: CDC Told To Destroy Documents | Kaiser Health News (https://khn.org/morning-breakout/whistleblower-cdc-told-to-destroy-documents/)
DECLARATION OF Jane Doe

Pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1746, Jane Doe, herebydeclares:
I am fully competent to make this declaration and I have personal
knowledge of the facts stated in this declaration.
This declaration is submitted in support of legal actions to revoke the
emergency use authorization for COVID-19 injections and in support of a
preliminary injunction to immediately block the emergency use
authorization for COVID-19 injections.
I am a computer programmer with subject matter expertise in the
healthcare data analytics field, an honor that allows me access to Medicare
and Medicaid data maintained by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid
Services (CMS). I earned a B.S. degree in Mathematics and have, over the
last 25 years, developed over 100 distinct healthcare fraud detection
algorithms, both in the public and private sector. It has been my mission to
protect federal tax dollars by preventing and detecting healthcare fraud, a
process which leads to both recovery of overpayments and law enforcement
leads. A large part of what I do is focused on the quality of care for the
beneficiary; for example, I identify providers who prescribe an egregious
amount of opioids to patients with a history of overdosing. Instead of titrating
the patient off of opioids, they prescribe more, oftentimes leading to patient
death. When the COVID-19 vaccine clearly became associated with patient
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death and harm, I was naturally inclined to investigate the matter.
It is my professional estimate that VAERS (the Vaccine Adverse Event
Reporting System) database, while extremely useful, is under-reported
by a conservative factor of at least 5. On July 9, 2021, there were
9,048 deaths reported in VAERS. I verified these numbers by
collating all of the data from VAERS myself, not relying on a third
party to report them. In tandem, I queried data from CMS medical
claims with regard to vaccines and patient deaths, and have assessed
that the deaths occurring within 3 days of vaccination are higher than
those reported in VAERS by a factor of at least 5. This would indicate
the true number of vaccine-related deaths was at least 45,000. Put in
perspective, the swine flu vaccine was taken off the market which only
resulted in 53 deaths.
I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the United States
of America that the foregoing is true and correct.
Executed on July 13, 2021.
/s Jane Doe
Jane Doe
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Attorney Files Lawsuit Against CDC Based on “Sworn Declaration” from Whistleblower Claiming 45,000 Deaths are Reported to VAERS – All Within 3 Days of COVID-19 Shots (https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/attorney-files-lawsuit-against-cdc-based-on-sworn-declaration-from-whistleblower-claiming-45000-deaths-are-reported-to-vaers-all-within-3-days-of-covid-19-shots/)

[bobeaston]

What is the death rate? What is the hospitalization rate? Reporting only on new cases per 100,000 people is a game being played with statistics.
Especially since the amplification factor on many PCR tests is way too high and results in very high false positives. The more false positives, the easier the fear factor can be ramped up.

[Bonnevie]

I wish people would realize that unless we cut down on transmission of this virus, a more virulent mutation may develop that the vaccines will be less effective against. measles still exists but until the anti-vaxxers started up, it was virtually non-existent because so many people were vaccinated against it, the virus died for lack of hosts....same with small pox, chicken pox, etc. so as long as people say they don't have to take the shot, there are available hosts for the disease. maybe the next mutation will affect children more than currently. people worried about long term effects of the vaccine should be worried about long term effects of the virus. some researchers are looking at the possibility that the virus will increase risk of dementia and alzheimers and other neurological disorders. it's got to be of concern when the Daily Sun again runs an article on the virus in the paper today about the increase in cases. I have a question. Are all you who aren't getting vaccinated wearing masks? somehow I doubt it.

[Waltdisney4life]

Sell the fear baby that’s what you’re good at! That’s .005% does CNN pay your people directly or you do you do this fear selling for pro bono.

[Bella6368]

The media needs to stir the pot to keep the pressure off what our leaders are doing.

You got that right! Totally Agree!

[Get real]

It's all about money for dirty politicians. I ignore it all.

[fgaba1949]

“If we’re going to talk about traveling to the U.K., then we should also caution Americans about traveling to Florida,” Hilton said. “Right now, one in every five new COVID cases are coming out of Florida.”

During a press briefing Friday, White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Jeffrey Zients said four states accounted for more than 40% of all cases in the past week, with 20% of new cases occurring in Florida alone.

In Florida, only 47% of the population is fully vaccinated as the state is seeing an average of 55.1 daily new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people, the highest rate in the country, according to data from the Brown School of Public Health. And according to the Florida Department of Health's weekly COVID-19 report, the number of new COVID-19 cases nearly doubled in the state last week from the prior week."

From: Delta variant: Doctor cautions Americans about traveling to Florida (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-variant-doctor-cautions-americans-about-traveling-to-florida-145905680.html)

The media Hypes any and all new variants for its ratings. There wil always be some new variant .

While others may disagree its time to enjoy what life we have left


Its

[Bill14564]

...
There is a whistleblower right now for the CDC that is signing under The penalty of perjury that the CDC is hiding the thousands and thousands of deaths that vaccines are causing to the tune of about six to eight times what they're reporting.

DECLARATION OF Jane Doe

Pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1746, Jane Doe, herebydeclares:

...

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Attorney Files Lawsuit Against CDC Based on “Sworn Declaration” from Whistleblower Claiming 45,000 Deaths are Reported to VAERS – All Within 3 Days of COVID-19 Shots (https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/attorney-files-lawsuit-against-cdc-based-on-sworn-declaration-from-whistleblower-claiming-45000-deaths-are-reported-to-vaers-all-within-3-days-of-covid-19-shots/)

Well that was fun!

Followed the link to a page dedicated to "Shining the Light of Truth into the Darkness of Deceit." Learned that "Luciferean" was a word when it was used on that page to describe Freemasons, Fauci, and "Jews." I don't think I'll be visiting that page again.

Did a quick google search on the case number at the top of the declaration. That exact case number appears on cases filed 5/19/21, 6/10/21, and 7/19/21. Now possibly the 7/19 filing was more information pertaining to the original 5/19 case. I found it notable that America's Frontline Doctors is the first plaintiff in the case and the very first footnote in the case is, in my paraphrasing, "this is not a vaccine."

[merrymini]

majority that are getting the virus are not vaccinated.

How do you know?Of all the dems flying who got the virus, all were vaccinated. Just sayin…

[billethkid]

How about the idea of a mandate that requires everyone to mask up again.......to protect those who are not vaccinated?

COMING SOON!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

[snip]

Attorney Files Lawsuit Against CDC Based on “Sworn Declaration” from Whistleblower Claiming 45,000 Deaths are Reported to VAERS – All Within 3 Days of COVID-19 Shots (https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/attorney-files-lawsuit-against-cdc-based-on-sworn-declaration-from-whistleblower-claiming-45000-deaths-are-reported-to-vaers-all-within-3-days-of-covid-19-shots/)

Conspiracy nut-job. Antisemite, anti-vaxx, complete fraud, worse than "fake news" - it's a bunch of really poorly photoshopped stuff - I mean COME ON - do you really believe Google Chrome chose their logo as a signal to satanists?

The illuminati nonsense again? Flat earthers, outer space aliens, the secret of the back of the dollar bill?

Give
Me
A
Freakin
Break.

[merrymini]

They've already explained this. I'll explain it in terms I know, as someone who isn't a scientist or medical practitioner:

If you are vaccinated, it means your risk of getting SICK if the virus is passed to you, has been minimized. The virus can still pass to you, but you would not be "infected."

Sort of like it someone passes you a plate of steak. You now have the steak. But if you don't eat the stake, you still have possession of it, without it being absorbed into your system. You can then pass that steak along to someone else.

The difference between the virus and the steak, is that YOU don't get to decide whether or not you consume the steak. Your stomach decides. If your stomach wants the steak, it forces you to eat it, and then you have the steak in your stomach.

The virus works the same way. You can't just say "Okay - I'm vaccinated now, I choose not to get the virus." The virus can still come TO you - and your immune system says, "not today, Satan" and pushes the virus along to someone else. Or the immune system might say "I have a headache, I can't be bothered today" and the virus enters your system even though you are vaccinated. HOWEVER as soon as that happens, the rest of your body is stronger than ever because of that vaccine, and the vaccine never gets a chance to cause any damage. It will find "nothing of interest" and pass out of your system.

What's going on, in a less metaphorical sense is this:

The CDC knows that some people who are vaccinated will have that virus transmitted to them, which would result in a positive test. But that test no longer really means anything, unless that vaccinated person actually gets sick. THAT is when it needs to matter. Of all the people who have been vaccinated, how many have gotten SICK from the virus?

So it isn't counting people who test positive, because it's no longer relevant.

The only people for whom a positive test matters, is people who are NOT vaccinated.

Baloney

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

How about the idea of a mandate that requires everyone to mask up again.......to protect those who are not vaccinated?

COMING SOON!

I'll do it to protect my sister, who is unable to be vaccinated. Anyone who is able but chooses not to vaccinate, stay home, or wear a mask and social distance.

That's what you told all of us people who believed in science when we all started telling YOU to wear masks. You told us to stay home so we can't infect anyone with the hoax virus, and you were going to go and live your lives however you wanted.

Well the tables have turned. It's your turn now. Stay home, or get sick. Your choice. I'm going to live my life how I see fit. I'm vaccinated.

[Bigtony54]

So true

[Alana33]

DeSantis: "Vaccines are saving lives;" fewer than half of Floridians fully vaccinated and cases are rising | Florida Phoenix (https://www.floridaphoenix.com/2021/07/21/desantis-vaccines-are-saving-lives-fewer-than-half-of-floridians-fully-vaccinated-and-cases-are-rising/)

[La lamy]

1.Who is keeping count? The hairdresser or the health department.
2.Positvie cases ? How do we know 5hey are testing each of those for the variants?
3.Which vaccine did those with breakthrough positive Covid-19 have?
4. Tell us if a positive vaccinated human had vaccine A B or C. Show us what a positive variant test looks like.
5.Mask is a choice. Just like seat belts, speeding,smoking etc . Protection with mask is for me not you. I am vaccinated do not trust you are. Know children under 12 are not.
6. Live a healthy lifestyle. Strength to your immune system comes from your choices.The vaccine will help but nothing will prevent it 100%. Covid-19 is not going away. Live your life and respect others who choose to live differently. I was against the vaccine initially. After much research my choice was for J&J due to the fact it had nothing in it that I was allergic to. Had horrid reaction. And yet since the shot other immune issues have seen a vast improvement. AS ADULTS we are responsible to our selves to maintain our health and wellness. At this point I am more curious which vaccine the people had if they get sick?We have the Unvaccinated. We have vaccinated positive. We have straight Covid-19 and Variants. We have those who had vaccine A B or C. And we have a state that dies not count well. Make your choices according to your needs.

Not sure if I am misunderstanding your statement above in red, but it has been well documented by scientists that masks do not protect you from Covid, they protect others from receiving droplets from you. Masks have been described as a chain link fence for Covid, but they do slow down infected droplets from reaching others via air.

[NJRICHARD]

THOUSANDS of illegals are placed in buses/planes and sent all over the United States WITHOUT TESTING THEM?? Maybe THIS spike is happening because of this action and time will tell that IF it continues we will be back where we started?? WHY is this allowed?? There are reasons for everything.

[Pat2015]

Has anyone else noticed that the CDC is no longer reporting how many people that have been vaccinated are being infected. They are only reporting vaccinated hospitalizations and deaths. Could it be that goes against their agenda to get people vaccinated? Follow the money folks. Somebody is making a lot of money when vaccines are given. They still refuse to talk about the over 35 million people who have had covid and as a result have the best immunities and the lowest by far rate of reinfection.

You’re right that the CDC is only tracking hospitalizations and deaths of vaccinated people. We’ll never know how many breakthrough infections occur as most vaccinated people do not get tested and many could have minor and/or no symptoms at all which was the case with COVID before vaccinations. At the end of the day it’s deaths that really count, though who believes those numbers as well? Strange how the wording changed to dying of Covid vs dying with Covid after the vaccines came out. We will never really know how many people have gotten covid, or how many people actually died from covid. Also, all the vaccinated are taking part in the ongoing clinical studies as the the side effects, efficiencies, and long term effects from the vaccines. Most importantly, where did COVID really come from??? There’s a lot of unknowns…

[agjaret@aol.com]

Super spreaders.

[Gizemo33]

MichaelLinda, your statement “this is a game being played with statistics” is not true.

Apparently no matter how any of the information is presented there is a group of anti-VAX folks that find fault with everything that’s reported.

Let’s get to the bottom line, COVID-19 is on the rise due to the variant and the millions with in the population that have refused, are afraid of, just don’t care about getting a vaccine. That’s the bottom line.

QUOTE=Michaellinda;1976459]What is the death rate? What is the hospitalization rate? Reporting only on new cases per 100,000 people is a game being played with statistics.[/QUOTE]

[ThirdOfFive]

“If we’re going to talk about traveling to the U.K., then we should also caution Americans about traveling to Florida,” Hilton said. “Right now, one in every five new COVID cases are coming out of Florida.”

During a press briefing Friday, White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Jeffrey Zients said four states accounted for more than 40% of all cases in the past week, with 20% of new cases occurring in Florida alone.

In Florida, only 47% of the population is fully vaccinated as the state is seeing an average of 55.1 daily new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people, the highest rate in the country, according to data from the Brown School of Public Health. And according to the Florida Department of Health's weekly COVID-19 report, the number of new COVID-19 cases nearly doubled in the state last week from the prior week."

From: Delta variant: Doctor cautions Americans about traveling to Florida (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-variant-doctor-cautions-americans-about-traveling-to-florida-145905680.html)
Gotta be honest here...the thing that bothers me about all this is that there are still 22 letters in the alphabet yet to go!

[FromNY]

Not sure if I am misunderstanding your statement above in red, but it has been well documented by scientists that masks do not protect you from Covid, they protect others from receiving droplets from you. Masks have been described as a chain link fence for Covid, but they do slow down infected droplets from reaching others via air.
Yes I am aware of the science and still maintain wearing the masks keeps the droplets from others out of my face as well.

[manaboutown]

How many untested, unvaccinated illegal aliens have been shipped to Florida by bus, plane and train? How many of Florida's COVID cases have originated from them?

[Bill14564]

Gotta be honest here...the thing that bothers me about all this is that there are still 22 letters in the alphabet yet to go!

20 (there are only 24 letters in the Greek alphabet) :)

[Ladays1978@gmail.com]

The media needs to stir the pot to keep the pressure off what our leaders are doing.
Right you are!

[kitnhead]

Get Vaccinated then you don’t have to worry about it. If you do have a breakthrough case it will be extremely mild. Stop the fear mongering.

Or we could stop the fear mongering all together. The survival rate for this virus is well over 90%.

[Vermilion Villager]

Only 47%.?.. I just checked... "Fully vaccinated=48%" "At least 1 dose=56%"

What is the national rate? "Fully Vaccinated=49%" "At least 1 dose=57%

US COVID-19 Vaccine Progress Tracker | Vaccinations by State | USAFacts (https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ND-COVID-Vaccine&gclid=EAIaIQobChMImbe1kOz08QIVA5SzCh3HbA1UEAAYASAA EgKiT_D_BwE)
The ONLY reason Florida is as high as it is can be contributed to the 74% vaccination rate of Sumter county and the 60% rate in Dade county. Numerous counties in the rest of the state have a rates in the low 20%, and a lot of them are in close proximity to Sumter. Thats where the virus is now running rampant.

[Bill14564]

Or we could stop the fear mongering all together. The survival rate for this virus is well over 90%.

Let's say the survival rate is 99%, that's "well over 90%," right? At a survival rate of of 99% if the virus is left unchecked you could anticipate ONLY 3,300,000 deaths (about five times what we have right now).

Are 3,300,000 dead Americans acceptable to you?

[bp243]

Only 47%.?.. I just checked... "Fully vaccinated=48%" "At least 1 dose=56%"

What is the national rate? "Fully Vaccinated=49%" "At least 1 dose=57%

US COVID-19 Vaccine Progress Tracker | Vaccinations by State | USAFacts (https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ND-COVID-Vaccine&gclid=EAIaIQobChMImbe1kOz08QIVA5SzCh3HbA1UEAAYASAA EgKiT_D_BwE)
Would like to think that 90% is possible!

[elevatorman]

“If we’re going to talk about traveling to the U.K., then we should also caution Americans about traveling to Florida,” Hilton said. “Right now, one in every five new COVID cases are coming out of Florida.”

During a press briefing Friday, White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Jeffrey Zients said four states accounted for more than 40% of all cases in the past week, with 20% of new cases occurring in Florida alone.

In Florida, only 47% of the population is fully vaccinated as the state is seeing an average of 55.1 daily new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people, the highest rate in the country, according to data from the Brown School of Public Health. And according to the Florida Department of Health's weekly COVID-19 report, the number of new COVID-19 cases nearly doubled in the state last week from the prior week."

From: Delta variant: Doctor cautions Americans about traveling to Florida (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-variant-doctor-cautions-americans-about-traveling-to-florida-145905680.html)

Sumter county is #1 in vaccinations 67%

Florida counties with highest COVID-19 vaccination rate | WFLA (https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/counties-with-the-highest-covid-19-vaccination-rate-in-florida/)

[bp243]

Why doesn't the world want to know how this virus really started? A bat, or a bat in a lab? Who is behind this and the reason?
Do you really care how the chicken pox was propagated?

[Vermilion Villager]

Baloney
Name one thing that is incorrect in that post!!!!

[Wyseguy]

Here we go again. “The sky is falling”. Get vaccinated. If not, have your affairs in order. Simple

Now let us not rush on this. Maybe it would be best if people from NY, MA, IL etc remained in the states that keep their mask mandates and other restrictions. If they want to be safe that would be best.

[Wyseguy]

Let's say the survival rate is 99%, that's "well over 90%," right? At a survival rate of of 99% if the virus is left unchecked you could anticipate ONLY 3,300,000 deaths (about five times what we have right now).

Are 3,300,000 dead Americans acceptable to you?

We could save so many lives by lowering all roadways max speed to 50. Make cigarettes illegal. Bring back prohibition. Unless you do not care about children killed in auto accidents or second hand smoke. Are their deaths meaningless to you?

[Wyseguy]

Do you really care how the chicken pox was propagated?

Who said anything about chicken pox?

[Spalumbos62]

Death is not a game but politics is. It's a game that some play for keeps in the risk you, the risk me, and the lie about diseases and viruses to maintain power. There is a whistleblower right now for the CDC that is signing under The penalty of perjury that the CDC is hiding the thousands and thousands of deaths that vaccines are causing to the tune of about six to eight times what they're reporting.


Where did you hear such a thing?

[Bill14564]

We could save so many lives by lowering all roadways max speed to 50. Make cigarettes illegal. Bring back prohibition. Unless you do not care about children killed in auto accidents or second hand smoke. Are their deaths meaningless to you?

And what does any of that have to do with Covid or the presumption that "well over 90%" is an acceptable number?

If you want to start another thread on speed limits, smoking, or drinking then I might comment there.

[Wyseguy]

I'll do it to protect my sister, who is unable to be vaccinated. Anyone who is able but chooses not to vaccinate, stay home, or wear a mask and social distance.

That's what you told all of us people who believed in science when we all started telling YOU to wear masks. You told us to stay home so we can't infect anyone with the hoax virus, and you were going to go and live your lives however you wanted.

Well the tables have turned. It's your turn now. Stay home, or get sick. Your choice. I'm going to live my life how I see fit. I'm vaccinated.

Haven't recent studies shown that as Dr Fauci said in the beginning of covid, masks really offer very little protection? As far as you living your life as you see fit, good for you. I'm sure you feel the same for other people as well, correct?

[Villages Kahuna]

We live near The Villages Regional Hospital. A good indicator of whether the hospital ER and ICU are full is when the ambulances with sirens and the helicopters stop coming to the hospital. Even though TVRH is a trauma center, when they’re full, they advise the EMS services to go elsewhere. That’s what seems to have happened.

It’s been quiet now for several days, like it was during the peak of COVID infections several months ago. With Florida accounting for 20% of all the new cases in the entire U.S., it’s pretty easy to understand why the hospital might not be accepting any new patients.

Are all the town squares still full of maskless dancing and drinking Villagers every night? Good luck.

[kenoc7]

The scare agenda continues!
The truth agenda continues

[popbaby2]

So, in other words you think you could still infect someone else even though you've been fully vaccinated? Sounds to me like you don't have much faith in the very vaccine you promote. So, tell me again why I should get vaccinated.
The vaccines are 95% effective. J+J less. This has ALWAYS been stated and known. But you would not be AS SICK or die if you got a “breakthrough” case. Smarten up and follow the science.

[NewRealms]

majority that are getting the virus are not vaccinated.

Could you site your source?

[jimjamuser]

The scare agenda continues!
The scary part is the doubling of last week's cases relative to the prior weeks. Florida has a large amount of the Delta variant present and a large population, which makes both experts and ordinary people worry about traveling to Florida. This is BIG news nationally because of Florida's money-making tourist industry and as an example of how to handle state public health. We are fortunate that our leaders are now putting out the word about the increased need for the public to become fully vaccinated. Florida's reliance on its tourist industry has been a driving force toward its determination to have top public health care. And Florida's senior voting block also demands it.

[NoMoSno]

The scary part is the doubling of last week's cases relative to the prior weeks. Florida has a large amount of the Delta variant present and a large population, which makes both experts and ordinary people worry about traveling to Florida. This is BIG news nationally because of Florida's money-making tourist industry and as an example of how to handle state public health. We are fortunate that our leaders are now putting out the word about the increased need for the public to become fully vaccinated. Florida's reliance on its tourist industry has been a driving force toward its determination to have top public health care. And Florida's senior voting block also demands it.
...so why are our leaders leaving the southern border open to C-19 infected immigrants? Then shipping them off to many parts of FL? The northern border is still closed.

[MandoMan]

“If we’re going to talk about traveling to the U.K., then we should also caution Americans about traveling to Florida,” Hilton said. “Right now, one in every five new COVID cases are coming out of Florida.”

During a press briefing Friday, White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Jeffrey Zients said four states accounted for more than 40% of all cases in the past week, with 20% of new cases occurring in Florida alone.

In Florida, only 47% of the population is fully vaccinated as the state is seeing an average of 55.1 daily new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people, the highest rate in the country, according to data from the Brown School of Public Health. And according to the Florida Department of Health's weekly COVID-19 report, the number of new COVID-19 cases nearly doubled in the state last week from the prior week."

From: Delta variant: Doctor cautions Americans about traveling to Florida (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-variant-doctor-cautions-americans-about-traveling-to-florida-145905680.html)

I read a few minutes ago that AdventHealth Orlando and it’s many satellite hospitals have, at present, if I recall correctly, about 760 beds occupied by COVID patients. NOW! Not last fall.

I’m scheduled for a weeklong Bluegrass Cruise in January. I only booked because vaccinations were required. If the governor bans requiring vaccinations for cruises, I will definitely cancel. No way I would go on a cruise with unvaccinated people and sit in crowded little rooms playing music.

[jimjamuser]

Tampa is having a triple problem with bronchitis, Covid and red tide associated respiratory issues.
I have experienced Red Tide and it is NASTY. It is worse in St.Peter and Clearwater, which are closer to the Gulf. The beaches are littered with dead fish and coughing HUMANS. Many are, however, asymptomatic and do NOT cough but the SMELL of dead fish drives them off of the beach.

[stanley]

...so why are our leaders leaving the southern border open to C-19 infected immigrants? Then shipping them off to many parts of FL? The northern border is still closed.

That's a question for another thread that would get shut down PDQ.
Always makes you wonder why some people can't handle the truth.

[JMintzer]

Well that was fun!

Followed the link to a page dedicated to "Shining the Light of Truth into the Darkness of Deceit." Learned that "Luciferean" was a word when it was used on that page to describe Freemasons, Fauci, and "Jews." I don't think I'll be visiting that page again.

Did a quick google search on the case number at the top of the declaration. That exact case number appears on cases filed 5/19/21, 6/10/21, and 7/19/21. Now possibly the 7/19 filing was more information pertaining to the original 5/19 case. I found it notable that America's Frontline Doctors is the first plaintiff in the case and the very first footnote in the case is, in my paraphrasing, "this is not a vaccine."

Thanks for saving me the time...

I figured it was BS once I read that it was associated with a lawyer and a class action suit...

[JMintzer]

How do you know?Of all the dems flying who got the virus, all were vaccinated. Just sayin…

Or so they say...

[stanley]

Are all the town squares still full of maskless dancing and drinking Villagers every night? Good luck.

If you're wondering if people are out and about still living life......yes we are.

[JMintzer]

DeSantis: "Vaccines are saving lives;" fewer than half of Floridians fully vaccinated and cases are rising | Florida Phoenix (https://www.floridaphoenix.com/2021/07/21/desantis-vaccines-are-saving-lives-fewer-than-half-of-floridians-fully-vaccinated-and-cases-are-rising/)

If you bothered to reads this thread, you would know that Florida is a whopping 1% point behind the national average in vaccination rates...

The horror...

[jimjamuser]

Tampa is having a triple problem with bronchitis, Covid and red tide associated respiratory issues.
CV and Red Tide seem to have similarities, likely due to the attacking of the lungs by non-complex organisms. Both CV and Red Tide have documented long-haul symptoms. Many people do NOT have any red tide symptoms, like asymptomatic CV types. However, I am NOT aware of any red tide deaths to humans, just many sea creatures. The various Chambers of Commerce are unhappy about both red tide and CV - attempts are made to keep both out of the newspapers. Dead fish on the beach are cleaned up by earth-moving equipment often. It would be advisable for TVLanders to avoid the Gulf until the fall if possible.

[JMintzer]

MichaelLinda, your statement “this is a game being played with statistics” is not true.

Apparently no matter how any of the information is presented there is a group of anti-VAX folks that find fault with everything that’s reported.

Let’s get to the bottom line, COVID-19 is on the rise due to the variant and the millions with in the population that have refused, are afraid of, just don’t care about getting a vaccine. That’s the bottom line.

QUOTE=Michaellinda;1976459]What is the death rate? What is the hospitalization rate? Reporting only on new cases per 100,000 people is a game being played with statistics.[/QUOTE]

I'm pro vaccine, have been vaccinated (even tho I previously had covid) and I'm having serious problems with what's being reported...

[llamamama]

CDC virus vs vaccine information
Statistics show the stark risks of not getting vaccinated against COVID-19 (https://apple.news/ALn_BaK8KSeK3MnkxVuKbXg)

[llamamama]

CDC virus vs vaccine information…. BY STATE!
Statistics show the stark risks of not getting vaccinated against COVID-19 (https://apple.news/ALn_BaK8KSeK3MnkxVuKbXg)

[JMintzer]

The ONLY reason Florida is as high as it is can be contributed to the 74% vaccination rate of Sumter county and the 60% rate in Dade county. Numerous counties in the rest of the state have a rates in the low 20%, and a lot of them are in close proximity to Sumter. Thats where the virus is now running rampant.

Care to back up that claim?

[jimjamuser]

What is the death rate? What is the hospitalization rate? Reporting only on new cases per 100,000 people is a game being played with statistics.
Nationwide hospitalizations are up 3 times recently due to the Delta variant. And deaths are up 2 times in recent weeks. That is for a week-to-week comparison.

[JMintzer]

Let's say the survival rate is 99%, that's "well over 90%," right? At a survival rate of of 99% if the virus is left unchecked you could anticipate ONLY 3,300,000 deaths (about five times what we have right now).

Are 3,300,000 dead Americans acceptable to you?

You're assuming that 330 Million people will contract the disease...

Bad assumption...

It's 99% of those who contract the disease, not 99% of EVERYBODY...

[JMintzer]

Would like to think that 90% is possible!

I would like to think I'll win the Lottery... I suspect neither will happen...

[JMintzer]

Could you site your source?

Here's one...

Almost all new COVID-19 cases are among people who have not been vaccinated - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-covid-19-cases-united-states-almost-all-among-people-unvaccinated/)

[JMintzer]

I read a few minutes ago that AdventHealth Orlando and it’s many satellite hospitals have, at present, if I recall correctly, about 760 beds occupied by COVID patients. NOW! Not last fall.

I’m scheduled for a weeklong Bluegrass Cruise in January. I only booked because vaccinations were required. If the governor bans requiring vaccinations for cruises, I will definitely cancel. No way I would go on a cruise with unvaccinated people and sit in crowded little rooms playing music.

Where did you read this?

[jimjamuser]

The media needs to stir the pot to keep the pressure off what our leaders are doing.
It is difficult to dispute DEATH certificates. 200 years ago so-called Indians did a "GHOST DANCE' that was SUPPOSED to ward off US Army bullets. That did NOT work and today it is considered humorous and barbaric! Maybe 200 years from TODAY people will laugh at the UN-vaccinated barbarians that TODAY believe that they can ward off the virus bullets from CV without vaccination or masks. Ha, Ha, how quaint and barbaric were the humans of 2021?

[jimjamuser]

What about all the illegals coming in that the government is flying all over this great country.
If true, that is a problem!

[JMintzer]

Nationwide hospitalizations are up 3 times recently due to the Delta variant. And deaths are up 2 times in recent weeks. That is for a week-to-week comparison.

Going from 1-3 is a 300% increase, yet statistically insignificant...

Yours is a perfect example of "scare tactic" statistics...

[jimjamuser]

They've already explained this. I'll explain it in terms I know, as someone who isn't a scientist or medical practitioner:

If you are vaccinated, it means your risk of getting SICK if the virus is passed to you, has been minimized. The virus can still pass to you, but you would not be "infected."

Sort of like it someone passes you a plate of steak. You now have the steak. But if you don't eat the stake, you still have possession of it, without it being absorbed into your system. You can then pass that steak along to someone else.

The difference between the virus and the steak, is that YOU don't get to decide whether or not you consume the steak. Your stomach decides. If your stomach wants the steak, it forces you to eat it, and then you have the steak in your stomach.

The virus works the same way. You can't just say "Okay - I'm vaccinated now, I choose not to get the virus." The virus can still come TO you - and your immune system says, "not today, Satan" and pushes the virus along to someone else. Or the immune system might say "I have a headache, I can't be bothered today" and the virus enters your system even though you are vaccinated. HOWEVER as soon as that happens, the rest of your body is stronger than ever because of that vaccine, and the vaccine never gets a chance to cause any damage. It will find "nothing of interest" and pass out of your system.

What's going on, in a less metaphorical sense is this:

The CDC knows that some people who are vaccinated will have that virus transmitted to them, which would result in a positive test. But that test no longer really means anything, unless that vaccinated person actually gets sick. THAT is when it needs to matter. Of all the people who have been vaccinated, how many have gotten SICK from the virus?

So it isn't counting people who test positive, because it's no longer relevant.

The only people for whom a positive test matters, is people who are NOT vaccinated.
That was a great explanation and clarification. I wish something like that made it to our "newspaper".

[jimjamuser]

I wish people would realize that unless we cut down on transmission of this virus, a more virulent mutation may develop that the vaccines will be less effective against. measles still exists but until the anti-vaxxers started up, it was virtually non-existent because so many people were vaccinated against it, the virus died for lack of hosts....same with small pox, chicken pox, etc. so as long as people say they don't have to take the shot, there are available hosts for the disease. maybe the next mutation will affect children more than currently. people worried about long term effects of the vaccine should be worried about long term effects of the virus. some researchers are looking at the possibility that the virus will increase risk of dementia and alzheimers and other neurological disorders. it's got to be of concern when the Daily Sun again runs an article on the virus in the paper today about the increase in cases. I have a question. Are all you who aren't getting vaccinated wearing masks? somehow I doubt it.
Good post. I have seen reports of neurological CV problems with the development of young children's brains. If more reports of this come out before September or any back-to-school date - all h*ll could break out from parent's protests. It could game change US society like the stock market today and much into the future. I hope that these reports are NOT true or that it would affect only a tiny % of children! Stay tuned.

[agjaret@aol.com]

I’d rather be in Florida than in the north having to stay inside for months.
Thanks for the info.

[JMintzer]

That was a great explanation and clarification. I wish something like that made it to our "newspaper".

But WHAT about the DELTA variant???

[JMintzer]

Good post. I have seen reports of neurological CV problems with the development of young children's brains. If more reports of this come out before September or any back-to-school date - all h*ll could break out from parent's protests. It could game change US society like the stock market today and much into the future. I hope that these reports are NOT true or that it would affect only a tiny % of children! Stay tuned.

What reports?

And the Dow is UP today...

[jimjamuser]

We live near The Villages Regional Hospital. A good indicator of whether the hospital ER and ICU are full is when the ambulances with sirens and the helicopters stop coming to the hospital. Even though TVRH is a trauma center, when they’re full, they advise the EMS services to go elsewhere. That’s what seems to have happened.

It’s been quiet now for several days, like it was during the peak of COVID infections several months ago. With Florida accounting for 20% of all the new cases in the entire U.S., it’s pretty easy to understand why the hospital might not be accepting any new patients.

Are all the town squares still full of maskless dancing and drinking Villagers every night? Good luck.
Good post! Thank you for that information.

[agjaret@aol.com]

What about all the illegals entering this country. Spreading covid. Being transported all over this country. Think about that.

[jimjamuser]

...so why are our leaders leaving the southern border open to C-19 infected immigrants? Then shipping them off to many parts of FL? The northern border is still closed.
If true, I then agree with you.

[JMintzer]

Good post! Thank you for that information.

Or... It simply meant that less people needed to be hospitalized...

The old "Hear hoofbeats, don't look for zebras" analogy...

[Bill14564]

You're assuming that 330 Million people will contract the disease...

Bad assumption...

It's 99% of those who contract the disease, not 99% of EVERYBODY...

If the virus is left unchecked, a condition stated in my post, what, other than the vaccine, will prevent EVERYBODY from eventually contracting the virus?

[Swoop]

If the virus is left unchecked, a condition stated in my post, what, other than the vaccine, will prevent EVERYBODY from eventually contracting the virus?

Because apparently not everyone will get the virus, even if they are exposed. The perfect petri dishes were some of the cruise ships with covid outbreaks soon after the spread began. They didn’t know what they were dealing with. Passengers and crew members were in very close proximity. Yet only slightly more than 20% of the passengers and an even lower percentage of crew members were infected.

[JMintzer]

If true, I then agree with you.

"If true"? Why would you doubt him?

[JMintzer]

If the virus is left unchecked, a condition stated in my post, what, other than the vaccine, will prevent EVERYBODY from eventually contracting the virus?

The same thing that prevents some people from getting the flu, or a cold every year...

[Bill14564]

Because apparently not everyone will get the virus, even if they are exposed. The perfect petri dishes were some of the cruise ships with covid outbreaks soon after the spread began. They didn’t know what they were dealing with. Passengers and crew members were in very close proximity. Yet only slightly more than 20% of the passengers and an even lower percentage of crew members were infected.

Well that's incredible good news! We should be celebrating!

The 3,300,000 deaths were based on a population of 330,000,000. But, since we "know" only a handful of children will die from COVID, the real population that might be affected is 300,000,000. If only slightly more than 20% of that population will ever get Covid then instead of 3,300,000 deaths there will only be slightly more than 600,000.

Since we're already at 609,000 deaths then by your calculation, there will be no more COVID deaths. Now that's something to celebrate!

(Now if only the annoying MSM and CDC and others would stop reporting a 7-day average of 300 deaths per day)

[JMintzer]

Well that's incredible good news! We should be celebrating!

The 3,300,000 deaths were based on a population of 330,000,000. But, since we "know" only a handful of children will die from COVID, the real population that might be affected is 300,000,000. If only slightly more than 20% of that population will ever get Covid then instead of 3,300,000 deaths there will only be slightly more than 600,000.

Since we're already at 609,000 deaths then by your calculation, there will be no more COVID deaths. Now that's something to celebrate!

(Now if only the annoying MSM and CDC and others would stop reporting a 7-day average of 300 deaths per day)

Statistics are not your friend...

[JimmyDebbie]

And what about those who have had Covid and still have antibodies, meaning natural immunity? Cleveland Clinic study reports these people don’t need vaccine and that natural immunity could be for lifetime.

[Velvet]

Death is not a game but politics is. It's a game that some play for keeps in the risk you, the risk me, and the lie about diseases and viruses to maintain power. There is a whistleblower right now for the CDC that is signing under The penalty of perjury that the CDC is hiding the thousands and thousands of deaths that vaccines are causing to the tune of about six to eight times what they're reporting.

Really? The vaccine is killing left and right. Only in the US, you say? As it doesn’t seem to be happening anywhere else in the world.

[Byte1]

What is the death rate? What is the hospitalization rate? Reporting only on new cases per 100,000 people is a game being played with statistics.

Exactly!!!:thumbup:

[Byte1]

Why doesn't the world want to know how this virus really started? A bat, or a bat in a lab? Who is behind this and the reason?

A good conspiracy theory AND good reason that we wouldn't get the truth is if the whole thing started at Ft. Detrick, MD like the Anthrax scare did awhile back. Either way, I saw an interview with a scientist from CDC where they guy stated that there was NO way that the virus came from the bats at the market or anywhere else, as the evidence shows that it was human manipulated (or something like that). If anything, he said it could be a leak from a lab, but not from the market. I am not a scientist, so a lot of what he said meant nothing to me, even though interesting.
Interesting that no one really seems to be working very hard at discovering the ground zero for the virus.

[Bill14564]

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[John41]

...so why are our leaders leaving the southern border open to C-19 infected immigrants? Then shipping them off to many parts of FL? The northern border is still closed.

Thirty percent of the highly infectious illegal immigrants are refusing to be vaccinated before being flown to states at taxpayers expense. In February this year we were promised 70% of Americans would be fully vaccinated by June but is only 48%. That’s why the delta virus is spreading. Somebody dropped the ball big time.

[Aloha1]

Oddly enough reports from the UK and Israel state that 40% of COVID hospitalizations are folks who have been fully vaccinated. Of course, our CDC doesn't agree because they stopped counting hospitalizations of vaccinated patients. Doesn't support their narrative, is my guess.

The better question to ask is,"What vaccines were they given?". The J&J and Astra Zeneca shots are nowhere near as effective against Delta as Pfizer and Moderna.

[Aloha1]

Could you site your source?

Well, somebody in a high position just said, "We have a pandemic of the unvaccinated." Of course he's not the most reliable source.

[drducat]

Looks like the Media has everyone up in arms again today....Has a lot to do with the fact that fauci will be brought up on charges for false testimony to Congress which is gearing up to be crimes against humanity...not looking good for the old boy.

[Aloha1]

Nationwide hospitalizations are up 3 times recently due to the Delta variant. And deaths are up 2 times in recent weeks. That is for a week-to-week comparison.

3 times what previous number? 3 times 20 does not compare to 3 times 200. Same with deaths. Everybody likes to quote what's happening in Israel where the numbers "Skyrocketed" 300% - from 20 to 60 in the whole country.

[Aloha1]

If true, I then agree with you.

If true??? Here's an idea, do some research.

[JMintzer]

ANY reliable source that says the vaccine is killing anyone, much less "left and right?"

And don't give VAERS stats because as we all know, correlation does not prove causation.

Your sarcasm detector is broken...

[Bill14564]

Your sarcasm detector is broken...

You're right. Post removed.

[bp243]

Who said anything about chicken pox?
That’s an analogy. If you don’t care about the origin of the chicken pox, why would you care about the origin of any other issue that has affected all of us?

[Swoop]

Well that's incredible good news! We should be celebrating!

The 3,300,000 deaths were based on a population of 330,000,000. But, since we "know" only a handful of children will die from COVID, the real population that might be affected is 300,000,000. If only slightly more than 20% of that population will ever get Covid then instead of 3,300,000 deaths there will only be slightly more than 600,000.

Since we're already at 609,000 deaths then by your calculation, there will be no more COVID deaths. Now that's something to celebrate!

(Now if only the annoying MSM and CDC and others would stop reporting a 7-day average of 300 deaths per day)
There have been 34,249,031cases is Covid in the US. Basically 10% of the population. So, statistically the death total could double from its current number, if the 20% figure holds true.
Not 3,300,000, not 600,000…
Better check your math!!!!

[bp243]

I would like to think I'll win the Lottery... I suspect neither will happen...

Are you buying a lottery ticket or just playing with words? Thank you for the your honesty!

[Bill14564]

There have been 34,249,031cases is Covid in the US. Basically 10% of the population. So, statistically the death total could double from its current number, if the 20% figure holds true.
Not 3,300,000, not 600,000…
Better check your math!!!!

But if we use those numbers then we have to accept a death rate of 1.8% (survival rate of 98.2% which I suppose is still "well over 90%")

But more, if we consider that 0-17 year olds account for 30% of the cases but only 350 deaths then that means that 608,000 deaths came from 24M cases for a survival rate of only 97.5% for the rest of us.

If we take the US population at 330M, the CDC percentage of Americans under 18 at 22%, your 20% infection rate, the 34M that have already been infected, the current vaccine acceptance of approximately 60%, and the 2.5% death rate then we would expect about another 175,000 deaths (784,000 overall). So yes, the 3.3M number was far too high and the 600,000 number was too low.

Then back to the post I originally commented on, is it fear mongering to be concerned about the potential for only another 175,000 deaths?

[Bay Kid]

Looks like the Media has everyone up in arms again today....Has a lot to do with the fact that fauci will be brought up on charges for false testimony to Congress which is gearing up to be crimes against humanity...not looking good for the old boy.

That would be great but fauci is a protected class. It seems the world would want to know how/why this virus was created, released and who is behind this. Who to believe, who to trust?

[Pballer]

We baby boomers are very fortunate that when the polio vaccine came out in the 1950s, most of our parents didn't display the type of foolishness that a third of the adult population seems to display today.

[KAM+6]

Looks like the Media has everyone up in arms again today....Has a lot to do with the fact that fauci will be brought up on charges for false testimony to Congress which is gearing up to be crimes against humanity...not looking good for the old boy.

No, it is NOT a "FACT". It is a statement from an ignorant person. There was no "false testimony to Congress". Your media is the one that is false.

[jimjamuser]

That would be great but fauci is a protected class. It seems the world would want to know how/why this virus was created, released and who is behind this. Who to believe, who to trust?
Yes, Dr. Fauci (notice the proper title and capitalized name for respect) is in a protected class. He is in a class of Saints for his 40 years of hazardous work with diseases, which he studied for the benefit of mankind. Socrates said, "mind and body". Dr. Fauci as a modern American achieved that goal - he was brilliant in College AND a superb athlete. How many here locally that feel free to criticize him have those credentials? And of those, how many have given 40 years of their life to science, mankind, government service? Think about it objectively. Dr. Fauci's critics are really only saying that he is BAD because he did not fall in line and march with the 35% of the US population - those that have been propagandized into a lemming-like trance and following a cult ideology. I feel sorry for this 35%. They "know not what they do"!

Eventually Abraham Lincoln will catch up with them - "you can't fool 35% of the people ALL of the time". Cults come and they go. Soon this one will disappear from history. Legitimate sources of information like the CDC, DR. Fauci, and traditional network TV channels can help those now stricken with overloads of propaganda to see past the cult panderers that are driven by power and money. We live in a confusing and rapidly changing time period. Florida leaders have gone against the 35% to agree with the CDC and recommend vaccines for almost ALL Floridians. The Abraham Lincoln effect is beginning to take hold.

[capecoralbill]

DeSantis, can we make it alive until The 2022 Florida gubernatorial election on November 8, 2022.

[JMintzer]

No, it is NOT a "FACT". It is a statement from an ignorant person. There was no "false testimony to Congress". Your media is the one that is false.

No, there will be a determination about whether or not he made false charges...

Your comment is just as ignorant as the one you're complaining about...

[JMintzer]

Yes, Dr. Fauci (notice the proper title and capitalized name for respect) is in a protected class. He is in a class of Saints for his 40 years of hazardous work with diseases, which he studied for the benefit of mankind. Socrates said, "mind and body". Dr. Fauci as a modern American achieved that goal - he was brilliant in College AND a superb athlete. How many here locally that feel free to criticize him have those credentials? And of those, how many have given 40 years of their life to science, mankind, government service? Think about it objectively. Dr. Fauci's critics are really only saying that he is BAD because he did not fall in line and march with the 35% of the US population - those that have been propagandized into a lemming-like trance and following a cult ideology. I feel sorry for this 35%. They "know not what they do"!

Eventually Abraham Lincoln will catch up with them - "you can't fool 35% of the people ALL of the time". Cults come and they go. Soon this one will disappear from history. Legitimate sources of information like the CDC, DR. Fauci, and traditional network TV channels can help those now stricken with overloads of propaganda to see past the cult panderers that are driven by power and money. We live in a confusing and rapidly changing time period. Florida leaders have gone against the 35% to agree with the CDC and recommend vaccines for almost ALL Floridians. The Abraham Lincoln effect is beginning to take hold.

Your worship aside, Fauci has not been involved in actual research for decades...

His initial work with AIDS was brilliant, but then, he became a bureaucrat, which he has been for the last 30 years...

My problem with him is his initial lie that masks were not effective, and his earlier (under the radar) resumption of Gain of Function studies that Obama had stopped...

Maybe if you were not so "cult like" in your adoration, you could see things more clearly...

[JMintzer]

Thank you Jim, very well said. Dr Fauci deserves our utmost respect.

"Deserved"... He's lost the respect of many...

[drducat]

No, it is NOT a "FACT". It is a statement from an ignorant person. There was no "false testimony to Congress". Your media is the one that is false.

Not media it is congress and I watch nothing media related.

[drducat]

Thank you Jim, very well said. Dr Fauci deserves our utmost respect.

He needs to be on trial first...

[drducat]

Yes, Dr. Fauci (notice the proper title and capitalized name for respect) is in a protected class. He is in a class of Saints for his 40 years of hazardous work with diseases, which he studied for the benefit of mankind. Socrates said, "mind and body". Dr. Fauci as a modern American achieved that goal - he was brilliant in College AND a superb athlete. How many here locally that feel free to criticize him have those credentials? And of those, how many have given 40 years of their life to science, mankind, government service? Think about it objectively. Dr. Fauci's critics are really only saying that he is BAD because he did not fall in line and march with the 35% of the US population - those that have been propagandized into a lemming-like trance and following a cult ideology. I feel sorry for this 35%. They "know not what they do"!

Eventually Abraham Lincoln will catch up with them - "you can't fool 35% of the people ALL of the time". Cults come and they go. Soon this one will disappear from history. Legitimate sources of information like the CDC, DR. Fauci, and traditional network TV channels can help those now stricken with overloads of propaganda to see past the cult panderers that are driven by power and money. We live in a confusing and rapidly changing time period. Florida leaders have gone against the 35% to agree with the CDC and recommend vaccines for almost ALL Floridians. The Abraham Lincoln effect is beginning to take hold.

Fauci has done nothing but talk for the last 20 years....you will figure it out soon enough.

[Topspinmo]

If you read the original news article from Yahoo it's more clear that the "Hilton" person referred to in the first paragraph above is not representing The White House or the CDC. I don't think the CDC or the administration are suggesting people not travel
to Florida.

If we’re going to talk about traveling then need to know how many people travel in Florida daily bringing virus in?

[Aloha1]

Yes, Dr. Fauci (notice the proper title and capitalized name for respect) is in a protected class. He is in a class of Saints for his 40 years of hazardous work with diseases, which he studied for the benefit of mankind. Socrates said, "mind and body". Dr. Fauci as a modern American achieved that goal - he was brilliant in College AND a superb athlete. How many here locally that feel free to criticize him have those credentials? And of those, how many have given 40 years of their life to science, mankind, government service? Think about it objectively. Dr. Fauci's critics are really only saying that he is BAD because he did not fall in line and march with the 35% of the US population - those that have been propagandized into a lemming-like trance and following a cult ideology. I feel sorry for this 35%. They "know not what they do"!

Eventually Abraham Lincoln will catch up with them - "you can't fool 35% of the people ALL of the time". Cults come and they go. Soon this one will disappear from history. Legitimate sources of information like the CDC, DR. Fauci, and traditional network TV channels can help those now stricken with overloads of propaganda to see past the cult panderers that are driven by power and money. We live in a confusing and rapidly changing time period. Florida leaders have gone against the 35% to agree with the CDC and recommend vaccines for almost ALL Floridians. The Abraham Lincoln effect is beginning to take hold.

etc, etc, etc. Please stop with the misinformation.It's getting old.

[Aloha1]

DeSantis, can we make it alive until The 2022 Florida gubernatorial election on November 8, 2022.

No politics.

[drducat]

We are going to see a lot more of this......

‘Vast majority’ of Covid-19 cluster in Cape Cod were vaccinated (https://freewestmedia.com/2021/07/22/vast-majority-covid-19-cluster-in-cape-cod-were-vaccinated/)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

We are going to see a lot more of this......

‘Vast majority’ of Covid-19 cluster in Cape Cod were vaccinated (https://freewestmedia.com/2021/07/22/vast-majority-covid-19-cluster-in-cape-cod-were-vaccinated/)

In the ABC version of this, we see this reminder:

"Morse reported most individuals are experiencing "mild symptoms." According to medical experts, fully vaccinated individuals are far less likely to become severely ill, and hospitalized, if infected with COVID-19."

That's the beauty of the COVID vaccines (and actually the flu vaccine as well): it's possible to become infected, however the symptoms are milder than they would be if you weren't vaccinated at all. Imagine how sick some of these vaccinated people would have been, if they caught the virus and were NOT vaccinated.

It's really more reason to vaccinate.

[John41]

Looks like the Media has everyone up in arms again today....Has a lot to do with the fact that fauci will be brought up on charges for false testimony to Congress which is gearing up to be crimes against humanity...not looking good for the old boy.

Fauci is responsible for funding the gain of function research that led to Covid 19 and the resulting pandemic. And it was done in a sneaky way to violate a ban that was in place at the time. Even the Washington Post admitted this.

[Swoop]

In the ABC version of this, we see this reminder:

"Morse reported most individuals are experiencing "mild symptoms." According to medical experts, fully vaccinated individuals are far less likely to become severely ill, and hospitalized, if infected with COVID-19."

That's the beauty of the COVID vaccines (and actually the flu vaccine as well): it's possible to become infected, however the symptoms are milder than they would be if you weren't vaccinated at all. Imagine how sick some of these vaccinated people would have been, if they caught the virus and were NOT vaccinated.

It's really more reason to vaccinate.
Look at how quickly the narrative moved from - if you’re vaccinated you can’t get Covid, unless you’re in the 5% - to; well you can still get Covid, but it just won’t be as bad…

[Bay Kid]

Just curious, where did this virus start? God didn't create this virus. Where and why and who? With all the deaths worldwide this should be a number one investigation.

[coffeebean]

I read that Sumter County is averaging 19 cases per day, the number of cases is on the rise, and the county is high risk for unvaccinated people. And there are people who have been vaccinated who have had break through infection, and although I personally know some who are very sick, they are not in the hospital. Even though we in the community are probably (and I'm guessing here) maybe 80% vaccinated, people are visiting family or have grandkids who are not vaccinated, which could fuel the spread. Even though vaccinated, I wear a mask in some public settings like the grocery store, to protect other whose immunity may be compromised (cancer treatments for example) who have been unable to be vaccinated or the vaccination may not be as effective for them. And to help control the spread of variants and mutations.
You are a better person than I am because I'll be damned if I wear a mask to protect people who refuse to protect themselves. As for those who are immune compromised and or are not able to get the vaccine, sorry, but they will just have to do what it takes to protect themselves such as wear an N95 mask when out in public. Don't count on me to do the protecting any more.

Variants? Vaccinated don't spread the virus like the un-vaccinated so I'm not worried that I'm responsible for any variants.

[coffeebean]

Death is not a game but politics is. It's a game that some play for keeps in the risk you, the risk me, and the lie about diseases and viruses to maintain power. There is a whistleblower right now for the CDC that is signing under The penalty of perjury that the CDC is hiding the thousands and thousands of deaths that vaccines are causing to the tune of about six to eight times what they're reporting.

Conspiracy theory much?

[stanley]

Conspiracy theory much?

Prove it wrong

[coffeebean]

Has anyone else noticed that the CDC is no longer reporting how many people that have been vaccinated are being infected. They are only reporting vaccinated hospitalizations and deaths. Could it be that goes against their agenda to get people vaccinated? Follow the money folks. Somebody is making a lot of money when vaccines are given. They still refuse to talk about the over 35 million people who have had covid and as a result have the best immunities and the lowest by far rate of reinfection.
Really? How many vaccinated people have had Covid and then had a reinfection? I haven't heard of any other than maybe that golfer but then that is even suspect.

[stanley]

Really? How many vaccinated people have had Covid and then had a reinfection? I haven't heard of any other than maybe that golfer but then that is even suspect.

There's the conundrum.......you won't with your mindset

[coffeebean]

Sell the fear baby that’s what you’re good at! That’s .005% does CNN pay your people directly or you do you do this fear selling for pro bono.

Feel better now?

[coffeebean]

How about the idea of a mandate that requires everyone to mask up again.......to protect those who are not vaccinated?

COMING SOON!

Bite your tongue!

[coffeebean]

I'll do it to protect my sister, who is unable to be vaccinated. Anyone who is able but chooses not to vaccinate, stay home, or wear a mask and social distance.

That's what you told all of us people who believed in science when we all started telling YOU to wear masks. You told us to stay home so we can't infect anyone with the hoax virus, and you were going to go and live your lives however you wanted.

Well the tables have turned. It's your turn now. Stay home, or get sick. Your choice. I'm going to live my life how I see fit. I'm vaccinated.
This 1000 times.

[stanley]

Bite your tongue!

More "conspiracy".... right,?

[Bill14564]

Prove it wrong

Brandon's law

[stanley]

Brandon's law

Yeah...so?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Look at how quickly the narrative moved from - if you’re vaccinated you can’t get Covid, unless you’re in the 5% - to; well you can still get Covid, but it just won’t be as bad…

You said it yourself...bolded and underlined for emphasis.

Do you not believe your own words? I don't know where you got that 5% from but let's run with it, since you're the one who stated it.

If you are in that 5% who gets Covid after being vaccinated, then - you can "still get Covid, but it just won't be as bad."

I'm not sure how that's a bad thing. Sounds like a vaccine that's doing exactly what it's supposed to do. Reduce risk, and if you are unfortunate enough to beat the odds and get sick anyway, it reduces the severity.

[Swoop]

You said it yourself...bolded and underlined for emphasis.

Do you not believe your own words? I don't know where you got that 5% from but let's run with it, since you're the one who stated it.

If you are in that 5% who gets Covid after being vaccinated, then - you can "still get Covid, but it just won't be as bad."

I'm not sure how that's a bad thing. Sounds like a vaccine that's doing exactly what it's supposed to do. Reduce risk, and if you are unfortunate enough to beat the odds and get sick anyway, it reduces the severity.

95% is Pfizer’s stated effective rate. That’s where the 5% comes from… The CDC states a breakthrough rate of .007%. Yet it is becoming more apparent that the actual breakthrough rate is much higher. So now the narrative has changed from - if you’re fully vaccinated you can’t get Covid, to - well yeah, you can still get it, but it won’t be as bad…
We are still learning about these vaccines, but that’s not uncommon during a trial…

[Velvet]

Even the fully vaccinated may need booster shot after 7 months or so from 2nd shot.

WSJ:
Immunity against the coronavirus is waning in people who were fully vaccinated with the shot made by BioNTech SE and Pfizer Inc. PFE 0.31% in January because of the rapidly spreading Delta variant, BioNTech’s chief executive said, confirming data that emerged from Israel last week.

But even as antibody levels are dropping seven months after immunization among some vaccine recipients, most of them will remain protected against severe disease and might not yet need a third dose, according to Ugur Sahin, CEO of the German company that invented the vaccine and partnered with Pfizer to develop the product for the global market.

“The antibody titers are going down,” Dr. Sahin said, referring to the unit of measurement for antibodies against the virus. “The vaccine protection against the new variant is considerably lower.”

[Kelevision]

Fully vaccinated people continue to be well protected against severe disease and death, even with Delta, but so-called breakthrough cases, where a person gets infected despite being fully vaccinated, are on the rise. Because of that, many experts continue to advise caution, even if fully vaccinated. - Web MD

[Bay Kid]

The media/govern needs a smoke screen to what is really going on in this country. If they really care about the virus they wouldn't let untested illegals walk into our country and then just keep sending them throughout our country, at taxpayer expense. Control.

[Beyond The Wall]

1. They hate DeSantis. Anything to make him look as bad as Cuomo.
2. Talk about hospitalizations, NOT cases.
3. Still haven’t been told what sensitivity test are set at. 10,20,30,40,50, etc . At 10 the whole country is positive at 50 only really sick people.
Unusual how how warm climates have surge in warmer months. More time indoors to escape heat. In the north surges in late fall and winter.

I don’t think the American people will put up with the lock down, masking mentality again.

Fool me once….. come on guy!

[mike234]

What about all the illegals coming in that the government is flying all over this great country.

good question...why won't the media ask the White House where these illegals are being sent to...

[Irishmen]

The media/govern needs a smoke screen to what is really going on in this country. If they really care about the virus they wouldn't let untested illegals walk into our country and then just keep sending them throughout our country, at taxpayer expense. Control.

this can not be debunked nor are the photos of maskless governors eating at $5000 dollar dinners or flying to the islands while dictating you stay in your house. Why did the CDC pull the PCR tests from emergency use because of unreliability last Friday but today our friends in the govt are telling us cases are on the rise using same test. Why did Jane Goodall tell us population of the world should be 500 million?

[Boffin]

90233

[tuccillo]

People continue to get this wrong. The "95%" number is the reported efficacy of the Pfizer/BioNtech and Moderna vaccines during their Phase 3 trials. This number is the ratio of the number of positive cases for the control group and the number of positive cases for the test group. You will need to read the Phase 3 trial reports for the exact definition of a "positive" case as they differ between the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Phase 3 trials. The J&J Phase 3 trial reported a lower efficacy number but their trial population and time of their trial was significantly different than the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Phase 3 trials so direct comparisons are not valid.

The correct interpretation of the "95%" number is that your probability of contracting the virus if you are vaccinated and exposed to the virus is reduced by a factor of 20x when compared to someone who is not vaccinated and is exposed to the virus. There is no 5% who are going to get COVID even if they are vaccinated. Another results of the Phase 3 trials is that your probability of hospitalization and death is very remote if you are vaccinated.

95% is Pfizer’s stated effective rate. That’s where the 5% comes from… The CDC states a breakthrough rate of .007%. Yet it is becoming more apparent that the actual breakthrough rate is much higher. So now the narrative has changed from - if you’re fully vaccinated you can’t get Covid, to - well yeah, you can still get it, but it won’t be as bad…
We are still learning about these vaccines, but that’s not uncommon during a trial…

[Velvet]

Fully vaccinated people continue to be well protected against severe disease and death, even with Delta, but so-called breakthrough cases, where a person gets infected despite being fully vaccinated, are on the rise. Because of that, many experts continue to advise caution, even if fully vaccinated. - Web MD

The CEO is looking at all countries where the vaccine is used. We (in the US) got our shots a little later than, say, Israel which serves like a canary in a coal mine and the protective effect of the vaccine is starting to wane. They have already started the third shots for the very vulnerable.

[Bay Kid]

this can not be debunked nor are the photos of maskless governors eating at $5000 dollar dinners or flying to the islands while dictating you stay in your house. Why did the CDC pull the PCR tests from emergency use because of unreliability last Friday but today our friends in the govt are telling us cases are on the rise using same test. Why did Jane Goodall tell us population of the world should be 500 million?

Control. They love control and don't want to give it up. Kings and queens.

[golfing eagles]

People continue to get this wrong. The "95%" number is the reported efficacy of the Pfizer/BioNtech and Moderna vaccines during their Phase 3 trials. This number is the ratio of the number of positive cases for the control group and the number of positive cases for the test group. You will need to read the Phase 3 trial reports for the exact definition of a "positive" case as they differ between the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Phase 3 trials. The J&J Phase 3 trial reported a lower efficacy number but their trial population and time of their trial was significantly different than the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Phase 3 trials so direct comparisons are not valid.

The correct interpretation of the "95%" number is that your probability of contracting the virus if you are vaccinated and exposed to the virus is reduced by a factor of 20x when compared to someone who is not vaccinated and is exposed to the virus. There is no 5% who are going to get COVID even if they are vaccinated. Another results of the Phase 3 trials is that your probability of hospitalization and death is very remote if you are vaccinated.

Thank you, you are correct. But most people still won't understand that

[Beyond The Wall]

“If we’re going to talk about traveling to the U.K., then we should also caution Americans about traveling to Florida,” Hilton said. “Right now, one in every five new COVID cases are coming out of Florida.”

During a press briefing Friday, White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Jeffrey Zients said four states accounted for more than 40% of all cases in the past week, with 20% of new cases occurring in Florida alone.

In Florida, only 47% of the population is fully vaccinated as the state is seeing an average of 55.1 daily new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people, the highest rate in the country, according to data from the Brown School of Public Health. And according to the Florida Department of Health's weekly COVID-19 report, the number of new COVID-19 cases nearly doubled in the state last week from the prior week."

From: Delta variant: Doctor cautions Americans about traveling to Florida (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-variant-doctor-cautions-americans-about-traveling-to-florida-145905680.html)
How many hospitalizations? Cases mean nothing especially with the now CDC recalled PCR test. Still no explanation why vaccinated persons should mask up. It’s all about control. No real rise in cases in northeast. Blue states do it better? They get their surge in fall when people start heading indoors. If the sheeple let another lockdown occur the economy will look like Mexico, etc.

[golfing eagles]

How many hospitalizations? Cases mean nothing especially with the now CDC recalled PCR test. Still no explanation why vaccinated persons should mask up. It’s all about control. No real rise in cases in northeast. Blue states do it better? They get their surge in fall when people start heading indoors. If the sheeple let another lockdown occur the economy will look like Mexico, etc.

No it won't, all the Mexicans are here:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Beyond The Wall]

99 % of those who get it under 70 recover. That is less then a bad flu season. The scaredemic continues! I know TV population has a lot of people above 70. Protect yourself. Test for WuFlu recalled . Too unreliable since it diagnoses Wu and seasonal flu as one and the same! Most cases in Florida were diagnosed AFTER they came in for something else. Smells fishy. Do your own research . Don’t rely on media.

[Irishmen]

No it won't, all the Mexicans are here:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

America the land of the free and home of the brave is no longer. We have been conquered and now occupied. Population replacement in full flow. Good luck to you all.

[Irishmen]

99 % of those who get it under 70 recover. That is less then a bad flu season. The scaredemic continues! I know TV population has a lot of people above 70. Protect yourself. Test for WuFlu recalled . Too unreliable since it diagnoses Wu and seasonal flu as one and the same! Most cases in Florida were diagnosed AFTER they came in for something else. Smells fishy. Do your own research . Don’t rely on media.

if one doesn't realize we are in eugenics and depopulation mode its because one doesn't want to know. For those who say gov't is here to help you, Sorry about your luck.

[Bill14564]

99 % of those who get it under 70 recover. That is less then a bad flu season. The scaredemic continues! I know TV population has a lot of people above 70. Protect yourself. Test for WuFlu recalled . Too unreliable since it diagnoses Wu and seasonal flu as one and the same! Most cases in Florida were diagnosed AFTER they came in for something else. Smells fishy. Do your own research . Don’t rely on media.

Though there is a difference in how cases are counted, it actually works out to be about 20x worse than a bad flu season.
Flu estimates (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm)

CDC count of Covid Cases, 0-64, as of 7/22: 23.8M
CDC count of Covid deaths, 0-64, as of 7/17: 124,396

[golfing eagles]

99 % of those who get it under 70 recover. That is less then a bad flu season. The scaredemic continues! I know TV population has a lot of people above 70. Protect yourself. Test for WuFlu recalled . Too unreliable since it diagnoses Wu and seasonal flu as one and the same! Most cases in Florida were diagnosed AFTER they came in for something else. Smells fishy. Do your own research . Don’t rely on media.

Sorry, but there is very little if anything accurate about that statement.

A "bad" flu season results in 65-70,000 deaths, mostly among those over 75 and under 2, and mostly because flu vaccines are nowhere near as effective as COVID vaccines. We have over 600,000 COVID "deaths", and while the count is most probably biased, even if it was only a third of that it is much worse than a "bad" flu season. I agree that there is some unreliability in the COVID test, especially in the vaccinated, but it is specific for the spike protein of COVID and therefore does not pick up seasonal flu.
And yes, some cases were picked up incidentally, but I would dispute the term "most"

[jimjamuser]

Really? How many vaccinated people have had Covid and then had a reinfection? I haven't heard of any other than maybe that golfer but then that is even suspect.
There are NOT many, but enough to have a name for the situation - it is called "breakthroughs". It did NOT happen before the Delta variant, which has 1,000 times the viral load in SOME (small %) of asymptomatic VACCINATED people's noses. The greater viral load is WHY they can pass it on to the UNvaccinated - and the main reason WHY new CDC guidance ASKS ALL people to wear masks indoors. It mostly protects others.

[Swoop]

There are NOT many, but enough to have a name for the situation - it is called "breakthroughs". It did NOT happen before the Delta variant, which has 1,000 times the viral load in SOME (small %) of asymptomatic VACCINATED people's noses. The greater viral load is WHY they can pass it on to the UNvaccinated - and the main reason WHY new CDC guidance ASKS ALL people to wear masks indoors. It mostly protects others.
ABSOLUTELY WRONG! Breakthrough cases have been ongoing. You can’t just make stuff up and pass it off as facts…

[coffeebean]

If the virus is left unchecked, a condition stated in my post, what, other than the vaccine, will prevent EVERYBODY from eventually contracting the virus?

Now that you mention this.........Just the other day I heard an expert doctor (don't recall which one) on my MSM news source say without hesitation, "Anyone who has not been vaccinated or has had Covid, WILL be exposed to the Delta variant." or something to that effect. Quite concerning, I might add. Did he say that just to frighten the American people?

[coffeebean]

We baby boomers are very fortunate that when the polio vaccine came out in the 1950s, most of our parents didn't display the type of foolishness that a third of the adult population seems to display today.

Social media was not involved with this foolishness we are dealing with today. Thank goodness for us.

[coffeebean]

ABSOLUTELY WRONG! Breakthrough cases have been ongoing. You can’t just make stuff up and pass it off as facts…

I understand what "breakthrough cases" are. That is when a fully vaccinated person contracts the virus and becomes infected with Covid.

My other concern (after reading what another poster said) is that vaccinated people are getting reinfected with Covid. This, meaning to me, that a fully vaccinated person gets infected with Covid.....recovers then gets infected AGAIN for a second time. THIS is what I have not heard about. Is this really a thing? Other than that golfer which seem suspect, has this been documented as occurring?

[tuccillo]

This is complete nonsense. Did you ever read the Phase 3 trial reports? There were breakthrough cases during the Phase 3 trials. If there weren't, the efficacy number would have been 100%. Please stop spouting nonsense.

There are NOT many, but enough to have a name for the situation - it is called "breakthroughs". It did NOT happen before the Delta variant, which has 1,000 times the viral load in SOME (small %) of asymptomatic VACCINATED people's noses. The greater viral load is WHY they can pass it on to the UNvaccinated - and the main reason WHY new CDC guidance ASKS ALL people to wear masks indoors. It mostly protects others.

[Velvet]

ABSOLUTELY WRONG! Breakthrough cases have been ongoing. You can’t just make stuff up and pass it off as facts…

Many sources report what Jim is saying. The delta variant is much more potent than the previous variants, therefore more breakthrough cases. But as the protection of the vaccine wanes slowly after 7 months I will venture breakthrough cases will be the norm.

[Velvet]

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[tuccillo]

Are you serious? What was quoted was the following:

it is called "breakthroughs". It did NOT happen before the Delta variant,

This is nonsense as there were breakthrough cases during the Phase 3 trials as the reported Phase 3 results had an efficacy of 95%. Go read the Phase 3 trial reports from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna. The CDC was monitoring breakthrough cases from Jan 1, 2021 to April 31, 2021, before the Delta variant caught hold.

COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html)


Again, what sources are you quoting? The WallStreet Journal for one, says the same thing as Jim. At least that is how I understand it too.

[Velvet]

Are you serious? What was quoted was the following:

it is called "breakthroughs". It did NOT happen before the Delta variant,

This is nonsense as there were breakthrough cases during the Phase 3 trials as the reported Phase 3 results had an efficacy of 95%. Go read the Phase 3 trial reports from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna. The CDC was monitoring breakthrough cases from Jan 1, 2021 to April 31, 2021, before the Delta variant caught hold.

COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html)

Yes, I guess I was looking more at international data. CDC tends to mostly look at US cases. And I think the term ‘breakthrough’ was used after the Delta variant became significant.

[tuccillo]

No, the term "breakthrough" has been used for months and well before the delta variant became an issue. One more time, breakthrough cases were first reported, by definition, with the Pfizer/BioNTech and Modern trials last summer/fall.

Yes, I guess I was looking more at international data. CDC tends to mostly look at US cases. And I think the term ‘breakthrough’ was used after the Delta variant became significant.