Options for forward thinking, new age or holistic pain treatment - Not Pot please

[JRP2TV]

I'm looking for recommendations for forward thinking, new age or holistic pain treatment options in The Villages. (not interested in pot)

Spinal compression issues and widespread nerve pain to be specific.

Much appreciated.

[GrumpyOldMan]

I'm looking for recommendations for forward thinking, new age or holistic pain treatment options in The Villages. (not interested in pot)

Spinal compression issues and widespread nerve pain to be specific.

Much appreciated.

I highly recommend CBD oils as an alternative for pain management. CBD Oil is NOT pot or Marijuana.

I also recommend being very careful where you buy it, there are a lot of scams and not so "pure" oils available.

This is a link to one of the most positively reviewed companies in the business. Not the least expensive, but very high quality.

Young Living (https://www.youngliving.com/us/en/categorylanding/essential-oils)

[JRP2TV]

I highly recommend CBD oils as an alternative for pain management. CBD Oil is NOT pot or Marijuana.

I also recommend being very careful where you buy it, there are a lot of scams and not so "pure" oils available.

This is a link to one of the most positively reviewed companies in the business. Not the least expensive, but very high quality.

Young Living (https://www.youngliving.com/us/en/categorylanding/essential-oils)

I have already gone through many different companies and treatments using both pot and CBD. Did not work for me, so that's why I specified not interested.

I really need to find another option, but thanks for the input. Much appreciated.

[GrumpyOldMan]

I have already gone through many different companies and treatments using both pot and CBD. Did not work for me, so that's why I specified not interested.

I really need to find another option, but thanks for the input. Much appreciated.

I completely understand, and I am sorry CBD doesn't work for you. And I am sorry you are in pain.

Good luck.

[Bjeanj]

I have not, but have you tried/considered acupuncture?

Mulberry Integrative Medicine
910 Old Camp Rd #192
352-430-2720

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I highly recommend CBD oils as an alternative for pain management. CBD Oil is NOT pot or Marijuana.

I also recommend being very careful where you buy it, there are a lot of scams and not so "pure" oils available.

This is a link to one of the most positively reviewed companies in the business. Not the least expensive, but very high quality.

Young Living (https://www.youngliving.com/us/en/categorylanding/essential-oils)

I personally would never recommend Young Living. They are primarily an essential oil company that has been sued several times and warned a few times as well by the FDA. They're also an MLM, which isn't bad in and of itself, but combined with the warnings of recommending that people INGEST essential oils (which is illegal to recommend)...

Their oils are mediocre, but insanely overpriced. They also don't include the source or process, which is super important if you're actually into aromatherapy. Example:

1/2 ounce lemon oil $15.79.
You can get lemon oil with the source country and process method listed at Walmart for $4.99

And 1/2 ounce at Oregon's Liberty Natural (a wholesaler, importer, packaging plant, and lavender growing farm) for $2.75, from citrus growers right here citrus-loving California. Organic lemon oil sells for $4.53 for a half ounce.

They are considered a bane to the industry, not a boon. They are one of two of the main companies that give aromatherapy a bad name.

If you want an aromatherapeutic treatment (not cure) for pain in your back, pinched nerves, you want a vasodilator. Commercial over the counter products would be Ben Gay, Icy Hot, Tiger Balm.

If you want to make your own and not spend a fortune, you'll make a massage oil.

Cut some rosemary leaves off one long stem, and break them off into a half-cup of olive oil. Add 1/4 teaspoon of red pepper seeds. If you have access to FRESH eucalyptus leaves, grab a palmful and rip them (don't cut them - you need to release the oils) into the oil. If you have access to freshly-removed white birch bark, break that up into small crumbs and toss that in there too.

Cover and let it sit on the counter, away from direct sunlight, for a couple of days.

Then strain it into a new container using cheesecloth as the strainer.

Now you can either use that by the dropful on the affected area, or mix it in to a 4-ounce container of body lotion (to yield 6 ounces total). Keep away from open orifices, wounds, pets, babies, and people with epilepsy.

[GrumpyOldMan]

I personally would never recommend Young Living. They are primarily an essential oil company that has been sued several times and warned a few times as well by the FDA. They're also an MLM, which isn't bad in and of itself, but combined with the warnings of recommending that people INGEST essential oils (which is illegal to recommend)...

Their oils are mediocre, but insanely overpriced. They also don't include the source or process, which is super important if you're actually into aromatherapy. Example:

1/2 ounce lemon oil $15.79.
You can get lemon oil with the source country and process method listed at Walmart for $4.99

And 1/2 ounce at Oregon's Liberty Natural (a wholesaler, importer, packaging plant, and lavender growing farm) for $2.75, from citrus growers right here citrus-loving California. Organic lemon oil sells for $4.53 for a half ounce.

They are considered a bane to the industry, not a boon. They are one of two of the main companies that give aromatherapy a bad name.

If you want an aromatherapeutic treatment (not cure) for pain in your back, pinched nerves, you want a vasodilator. Commercial over the counter products would be Ben Gay, Icy Hot, Tiger Balm.

If you want to make your own and not spend a fortune, you'll make a massage oil.

Cut some rosemary leaves off one long stem, and break them off into a half-cup of olive oil. Add 1/4 teaspoon of red pepper seeds. If you have access to FRESH eucalyptus leaves, grab a palmful and rip them (don't cut them - you need to release the oils) into the oil. If you have access to freshly-removed white birch bark, break that up into small crumbs and toss that in there too.

Cover and let it sit on the counter, away from direct sunlight, for a couple of days.

Then strain it into a new container using cheesecloth as the strainer.

Now you can either use that by the dropful on the affected area, or mix it in to a 4-ounce container of body lotion (to yield 6 ounces total). Keep away from open orifices, wounds, pets, babies, and people with epilepsy.

Thank you for that information. I was not aware of the investigations. I was aware of their exorbitant pricing, and personally purchase my CBD from a company that was formed by a group that left Young Living and sell for market prices, and are completely open with their sourcing and testing.

I will stop recommending Young Living.

[JRP2TV]

I have not, but have you tried/considered acupuncture?

Mulberry Integrative Medicine
910 Old Camp Rd #192
352-430-2720

I have once in the past, but this is something I will reconsider. Thx much.

[JRP2TV]

I have not, but have you tried/considered acupuncture?

Mulberry Integrative Medicine
910 Old Camp Rd #192
352-430-2720

My doctor just gave me a referral. Thx so much!

[JohnN]

I have severe lumbar osteoporosis, so my back hurts ALL THE TIME. I've tried epidurals and RF- radiofrequency ablation procedures, but they provided very short term relief. What I do these days is yoga daily, but I find greater relief from two things:
1) I have a vibrating chairback (that also heats/cools as I may choose) that helps keep my back loose and I do this a couple/few times a day for maybe 10 minutes each, and 2) don't laugh - a "Bed of Nails" accupressure mat that I lay atop a pillow and wedge it under my back for about 20 minutes a day. Both of those things help to decompress my back.

I really don't want drugs nor surgeries. I have looked at spinal implant vibrators (HF10, I think) and some people mention this on other threads. But I'm not ready for that yet either. So, my solution is cheap, durable and effective for me.
Good luck and God Bless.

[Michread]

I suggest reading the website doctor yourself. com

Look on the left side of the page and read everything that relates to yourself.

I take many nutraceuticals which help me. You may want to consider high dose vitamin B3 (niacinamide) and magnesium along with a high power multi -supplement.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Also something that's helped me TREMENDOUSLY - adding a lumbar pillow to the back of your golf cart seat. It doesn't have to be fancy, you can get one from Amazon for under $30 (A Samsonite one I see there is $19.99 and has really good ratings). No more pulling my right hip forward to reach the gas pedal, no need for a very cumbersome pedal block that forces you to lift your leg up pretty high when you need to step on the brake.

I have bursitis in my hip and shoulder, and osteoporosis in both hips and my spine, and I've been living with degenerative disk disease (L4 + L5-S1) for a little over 20 years now. So I'm somewhat familiar with back pain.

I got a thermal material lumbar pillow from Sleep Number for my dad, who's 90 and has trouble standing or sitting straight upright. He says it's helped him immensely.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I suggest reading the website doctor yourself. com

Look on the left side of the page and read everything that relates to yourself.

I take many nutraceuticals which help me. You may want to consider high dose vitamin B3 (niacinamide) and magnesium along with a high power multi -supplement.

I wouldn't ever recommend supplements to strangers, who have not been diagnosed by their own licensed medical practitioner with a deficiency. A multi vitamin is absolutely worthless to anyone who has no deficiencies, or even "low" levels of anything.

Most people are low or even deficient in vitamin D, and an OTC amount won't hurt them even if they're not low.

But niacinamide and magnesium can cause some pretty nasty unpleasant side effects for people who don't need it.

[SusanStCatherine]

Youtube has tons of videos. I found one on regular physical therapy (Bob & Brad) exercises I found helpful for my shoulder. Watching that lead to a recommendation of a video on advanced soft tissue release which lead me to visit a local Myofascial Release therapist. I found some relief with one visit. I was also recommended a video for neck pain using the feldenkrais method. One feldenkrais exercise for 20 seconds each shoulder took my neck pain away - I was very surprised. TENS machines can be easily purchased, are reasonably priced, and can interrupt pain signals - helped me through an issue recently. There are ancient Chinese practices which I have witnessed working for some people like Meridian tapping and there is also Japanese Reiki. Keep watching and trying different things. Best wishes and be well!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Youtube has tons of videos. I found one on regular physical therapy (Bob & Brad) exercises I found helpful for my shoulder. Watching that lead to a recommendation of a video on advanced soft tissue release which lead me to visit a local Myofascial Release therapist. I found some relief with one visit. I was also recommended a video for neck pain using the feldenkrais method. One feldenkrais exercise for 20 seconds each shoulder took my neck pain away - I was very surprised. TENS machines can be easily purchased, are reasonably priced, and can interrupt pain signals - helped me through an issue recently. There are ancient Chinese practices which I have witnessed working for some people like Meridian tapping and there is also Japanese Reiki. Keep watching and trying different things. Best wishes and be well!

You shouldn't use a TENs machine on the neck or shoulders (or eyes, genitals, over your heart, or on your scalp), and shouldn't use it at all if you have had cancer within the last five years. I used one when I had a broken arm and it seems to have helped a bit. Hard to tell though, if it was the machine, or if I would've healed fairly quickly anyway. It didn't hurt, and insurance covered it at the time though.

[SusanStCatherine]

I finally remembered what the technique is called - I have wanted to try myself. It is called Rolfing - look it up. There is at least one practitioner in Orlando rolfingorlando.com

[MidWestIA]

Where and what was your pain that it worked on? And which did you use?


I highly recommend CBD oils as an alternative for pain management. CBD Oil is NOT pot or Marijuana.

I also recommend being very careful where you buy it, there are a lot of scams and not so "pure" oils available.

This is a link to one of the most positively reviewed companies in the business. Not the least expensive, but very high quality.

Young Living (https://www.youngliving.com/us/en/categorylanding/essential-oils)

[LateBoomer]

what exactly is "forward-thinking"?

[Eg_cruz]

I have already gone through many different companies and treatments using both pot and CBD. Did not work for me, so that's why I specified not interested.

I really need to find another option, but thanks for the input. Much appreciated.
Did you actually get your medical marijuana card and go and actually speak to the customer service and white pain you’re going through and what you’re looking for and how to relieve that pain. You will not get a good relief of higher pain with over the counter oils. Have you looked into Microdosing mushrooms? Yoga is an other great way to reduce pain.

[Mikee1]

According to Wikipedia

Rolfing (/ˈrɔːlfɪŋ, ˈrɒl-/)[1] is a form of alternative medicine originally developed by Ida Rolf (1896–1979) as Structural Integration.[2][3] Rolfing is marketed with unproven claims of various health benefits.[4][5] It is based on Rolf's ideas about how the human body's "energy field" can benefit when aligned with the Earth's gravitational field.[6][7]

Rolfing is typically delivered as a series of ten hands-on physical manipulation sessions sometimes called "the recipe". Practitioners combine superficial and deep manual therapy with movement prompts.[8] The process is sometimes painful.[5] Studies have not proven that Rolfing is safe.[9]

The principles of Rolfing contradict established medical knowledge,[10] and there is no good evidence Rolfing is effective for the treatment of any health condition.[9] It is recognized as a pseudoscience[11] and has been characterized as quackery.[12][4]

[bjd0105]

I've heard very good things about the stretch zone located by Kohls from my customers

[Looking for next wife]

I completely understand, and I am sorry CBD doesn't work for you. And I am sorry you are in pain.


Wow, I have never seen that respect for others here on this forum. So mature. I love it.

[La lamy]

I'm a huge believer in stretching. Epsom salt baths can also be a short term soother. Body pillow between the legs at night can really help too. I wish you well.

[golfing eagles]

I suggest reading the website doctor yourself. com

Look on the left side of the page and read everything that relates to yourself.

I take many nutraceuticals which help me. You may want to consider high dose vitamin B3 (niacinamide) and magnesium along with a high power multi -supplement.

You have to be kidding. How about seeing a neurosurgeon or orthopedic spine surgeon and leave the quackery on the internet.

[golfing eagles]

I wouldn't ever recommend supplements to strangers, who have not been diagnosed by their own licensed medical practitioner with a deficiency. A multi vitamin is absolutely worthless to anyone who has no deficiencies, or even "low" levels of anything.

Most people are low or even deficient in vitamin D, and an OTC amount won't hurt them even if they're not low.

But niacinamide and magnesium can cause some pretty nasty unpleasant side effects for people who don't need it.

True, and also Vitamin D in excess of 5,000 I.U./day can start you on the road to very nasty renal calculi.

[Pedrocarrasco01@yahoo.com]

I have already gone through many different companies and treatments using both pot and CBD. Did not work for me, so that's why I specified not interested.

I really need to find another option, but thanks for the input. Much appreciated.
I had knee surgery and the pain was about a constant 6 and if I got up a 10, I used CBD creams and drops (uggh) used prescription drugs but most made me drowsy, a friend recommended to try Absorbine Veterinary Gel, i was skeptic, but I had tried most all available, I was at Rural King buying their spring water and went by the horse stuff, and I found it, I purchased a container, again was skeptical, but I tried it, I was surprised at several things, it smelled wonderful, a really clean spearmint, put it on my knee and started to tingle, about 15 minutes later my constant pain went down to a 2 or 3, but when I got up which was really bad, it went down so it was manageable. I looked at the ingredients no drugs, nonprescription, over the counter, it has helped me a LOT, maybe it will help you too.

[mpefloral]

We have gotten great help from Dr. Gilliland's at Regenerative Therapy of Lady Lake's PEMF treatment.
352-268-0199 First treatment is free but reasonable/affordable after. Not a once and done type of situation but a series is needed. Many of our friends have tried it and each one has become a believer. He has powerful equipment and knows the art in using it. 510 CR 466 suite 201G (park in back - 2nd floor - elevator or stairs)

[Pdesensi]

Mulberry Intragative Medicine. Very wonderful acupuncturist. 352-430-2720. 910 Old Camp Road Lake Sumter

[mrf6969]

What is the name of this company that branched off of Young Living?

[JRP2TV]

what exactly is "forward-thinking"?

Not surgery. Already had that. Not nerve blocks. Already had that. Not pot. Already tried that. Not nerve stimulators. Already did that.

Basically already did the traditional treatments many times over. I was requesting doctors who think beyond old school techniques and may have some progressive treatments.

[Sharonaha]

I'm looking for recommendations for forward thinking, new age or holistic pain treatment options in The Villages. (not interested in pot)

Spinal compression issues and widespread nerve pain to be specific.

Much appreciated.

Hi. I’m a holistic health and wellness coach and own Harvest Health. I work with many people with similar symptoms I typically recommend and make essential oil blends as well as lifestyle, nutrition and pain mgmt. i also teach classes.
I have 100% pure therapeutic Cbd balms and oils too. Have a lot of success if you are looking for natural health and would ever like to talk. Prayers for renewed strength and joy. Take care!

[JRP2TV]

Did you actually get your medical marijuana card and go and actually speak to the customer service and white pain you’re going through and what you’re looking for and how to relieve that pain. You will not get a good relief of higher pain with over the counter oils. Have you looked into Microdosing mushrooms? Yoga is an other great way to reduce pain.

I sure did. Two different times.

[Spalumbos62]

I'm looking for recommendations for forward thinking, new age or holistic pain treatment options in The Villages. (not interested in pot)

Spinal compression issues and widespread nerve pain to be specific.

Much appreciated.



I have allot of back issues, one thing that helps immensely is wearing shoes with fantastic arch support.
Gets everything in line the way it should be.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

It seems to me that these kinds of alternative treatments should not be called forward thinking. IMHO, they are backward thinking and harken back to the days where herbs were thought to cure everything and treatments such as bleeding and blowing tobacco smoke up one's rectum were thought to be helpful.

So many advances have been made in medicine over the past century that have extend human life and eased pain and suffering I don't know why people would turn their backs on them.

[Mudder]

I have some of the same issues. For me the best thing is movement. Tai Chi and or Qigong will definitely help a lot. There are several classes here in The Villages. Try Qigong at 1 pm Weds at Coconut Cove Rec Center and also at 9:30 am Friday at Colony Rec Center. But of course the key is you need to do some everyday and it takes a little while to start to feel the effects.
Also on YouTube there are many of these flow routines. Look for Lee Holden and David Dorian Ross, they are the best.

[JohnN]

It seems to me that these kinds of alternative treatments should not be called forward thinking. IMHO, they are backward thinking and harken back to the days where herbs were thought to cure everything and treatments such as bleeding and blowing tobacco smoke up one's rectum were thought to be helpful.

So many advances have been made in medicine over the past century that have extend human life and eased pain and suffering I don't know why people would turn their backs on them.

Well, you're welcome to your opinion. My experience and opinion is that I've had a lot of success with herbs, yoga, etc. and not so much with "modern medicine" on quite a few issues including my back. To each their own. Let the OP ask whatever they choose to ask.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

What is the name of this company that branched off of Young Living?

doTERRA. And they're just as bad and in some cases, even worse.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Hi. I’m a holistic health and wellness coach and own Harvest Health. I work with many people with similar symptoms I typically recommend and make essential oil blends as well as lifestyle, nutrition and pain mgmt. i also teach classes.
I have 100% pure therapeutic Cbd balms and oils too. Have a lot of success if you are looking for natural health and would ever like to talk. Prayers for renewed strength and joy. Take care!

Do you mean the Harvest Health cannabis dispensary in Gainseville? The OP has already been very clear and specific that he's not interested in cannabis or related products. Also, anyone can call themselves a health and wellness coach. Not sure why you say that, it has no significance.

-Love,
The Official Certified Wellness Expert of Wholeness

[kathy1516]

I, personally, would see Pain Management. I would recommend Shands Pain Management clinic to be considered for RFA (radio frequency ablation therapy). Shands is one of the finest hospitals and clinics in the country. I recently had RFA on my knee. After four surgeries on my left knee, the nerves were horribly inflamed. My surgeon, also from Shands, referred me to them. It has brought my pain level down 80% and I’m finally able to tolerate physical therapy. Unfortunately, the nerves grow back, but another treatment is all that is needed. Could last 6-12 months or more depending on ones situation. I won’t take opioids, or anything but Tylenol so I know for a fact this has greatly improved my quality of life. Good luck.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Not referencing the OP, but I find it interesting that so many people search for magic bullets and pixie dust while so few make lifestyle changes.

[SusanStCatherine]

I'm assuming you have already tried a very good chiropractor. A little bit of traction by a chiropractor helped me a few times. An inversion table (or other devices) can be purchased for home use to help relieve a compressed spine. Also a customized back brace could work.

I saw a comment from someone with arthritis swear by using Collagen Peptides. I tried them and found they helped immensely shortly after starting them. There are different types and some are for bones - I find the powders better than the capsules. He also recommended bone broth which I haven't yet tried.

[KRMACK55]

I have not, but have you tried/considered acupuncture?

Mulberry Integrative Medicine
910 Old Camp Rd #192
352-430-2720
Acupuncture is a mistake when I had frozen shoulder - adhesive capsilitis after a nasty fall on ice the only real relief was acupuncture. Only go to an Asian acupuncturist as they know where to place the needles it was wonderful. Hopefully your insurance will cover it!

[FloridaNancy]

Please let me know about doc’s referral. In nerve pain for 30 years
Thanks

[Johnson072702]

Look for someone that is certified in functional medician. I am working with one for several issues and it has been a God sent. Good luck

[JRP2TV]

It seems to me that these kinds of alternative treatments should not be called forward thinking. IMHO, they are backward thinking and harken back to the days where herbs were thought to cure everything and treatments such as bleeding and blowing tobacco smoke up one's rectum were thought to be helpful.

So many advances have been made in medicine over the past century that have extend human life and eased pain and suffering I don't know why people would turn their backs on them.

Because I have been trying them for 8 years and I’m worse than ever.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results.

[DaleDivine]

Because I have been trying them for 8 years and I’m worse than ever.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results.

Good luck. Hope you find the relief you're looking for and pass it on.
:)

[worahm]

I have been getting a great deal of relief for the the past 5 years by using an inversion table. Initially, It takes a little getting use to but it works for me. The relieve is nearly immediate and last for hours. I generally invert to 60 degrees.

[NotGolfer]

I heard of PEMF from a seminar put on by a doctor from TVHealth a couple of years ago. I was a bit skeptical but a trial period (w/out purchasing a unit) was given so I thought I'd give it a go. THEN via one of my FB support sites I heard of this as well AND a unit (different company and not a MLM business) that could be purchased through the company for far less than the unit I'd first been introduced to. It's also small and you can take it anywhere. I actually invested in two. I have degenerative disc disease, RA, fibromyalgia to name a few pain inducing conditions. I believe my PEMF unit(s) do help. They're quite different than TENS (which I also had purchased some years before) in that you can't really feel anything. Back in the day I tried the YL oils---when you have pain you will try anything. All they are, are nice smelling and for me they didn't work.

[richl]

Try experimenting with a combination of Tumeric Root and Circumin Root - Buy at the grocery store- shave small slivers and eat with breakfast. Did wonders for my L4 & L5 disks. Treatment for inflamation has been around for MANY YEARS,

[ndf888]

Youtube has tons of videos. I found one on regular physical therapy (Bob & Brad) exercises I found helpful for my shoulder. Watching that lead to a recommendation of a video on advanced soft tissue release which lead me to visit a local Myofascial Release therapist. I found some relief with one visit. I was also recommended a video for neck pain using the feldenkrais method. One feldenkrais exercise for 20 seconds each shoulder took my neck pain away - I was very surprised. TENS machines can be easily purchased, are reasonably priced, and can interrupt pain signals - helped me through an issue recently. There are ancient Chinese practices which I have witnessed working for some people like Meridian tapping and there is also Japanese Reiki. Keep watching and trying different things. Best wishes and be well!

I have tried everything on this list and more from TENS to weekly soft tissue release sessions to pills to $1000 Injections and surgeries. Nothing helped much. Mostly placebo effects… From this list I like Bob and Brad videos the most, but I also found some better options out there like GuerillaZen videos (but not the supplements) and the Curable app for pain. Lots of techniques for desensitization… there’s also a great podcast from the same group ‘Like body like mind’. I’ve been practically pain free for a year now.

Hope you feel better soon!

[blueash]

I would encourage you to try cattle semen. This is available from many sources including local unregulated farms and even can be obtained yourself if you are a risk taker. I'd instead suggest using a recognized dealer (https://www.bovine-elite.com/) Some people have tried other large mammals such as camels and spaniels. Yak is very commonly used in China, or so I have heard. Grizzly bear is a superior product to cattle but is very expensive and you need to be careful as it is so often mislabeled and diluted with Miracle Whip and other contaminants.

While there are no well done placebo controlled double blind studies supporting this product we all know that cowtilidge is important in joints. If calf pain is a issue, clearly this product is well aligned to help your discomfort. There are many you tube videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya7mwQYeICQ) on how to properly use cattle semen. I'd recommend being sure you align your hips and shoulders exactly north/south when applying the product so that the magnetic field of the earth can properly activate it's healing properties.

While I do wish the OP find some relief somewhere, including non-allopathic approaches, I would point out that anecdotes and online testimonials are as useful as this post. Science advances when theories are tested, properly tested. Pseudo-science is not alternative or forward thinking. It may be complementary. It may provide benefit via some untested mechanism or via the powerful placebo effect. And it is 100% reasonable for patients who have not gotten benefit from well established approaches to try unproven ones. Just don't take their advise as any more based on science than my snarky first couple paragraphs complete with links. You really should watch the you tube video. People selling snake oil really do believe in it. They are not lying in their missionary zeal or purely profit motivated. They are lying to themselves.

[PugMom]

I'm looking for recommendations for forward thinking, new age or holistic pain treatment options in The Villages. (not interested in pot)

Spinal compression issues and widespread nerve pain to be specific.

Much appreciated.

wow, i wish i could help you, but from experience, nerve issues & compression are not best treated by the options you may be looking for. you can try physical therapy & hands on treatments by GENTLE chiropractors, but imo, the relief only lasts as long as they're working on you. ive seen ads for individual compression treatments, but i'd be cautious on how these can actually aggravate your disks!! if i were you,..i'd see a regular,conventional surgeon & ask him/her how to 'manage' your pain conservatively. a really cool dr will give you honest info. BEST OF LUCK! let us know how you're getting along? thx

[slpierce21@gmail.com]

I'm looking for recommendations for forward thinking, new age or holistic pain treatment options in The Villages. (not interested in pot)

Spinal compression issues and widespread nerve pain to be specific.

Much appreciated.

Have you looked at Isotonix products...no binders or fillers. Check out the site:

www.isotonx.com/sylviapierce

There is lots of info there...let me know if you wish to chat about these. 603 387 4808

[PugMom]

Have you looked at Isotonix products...no binders or fillers. Check out the site:

www.isotonx.com/sylviapierce

There is lots of info there...let me know if you wish to chat about these. 603 387 4808

Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.

We can’t connect to the server at www.isotonx.com.

[ithos]

Is diabetic neuropathy a factor in your nerve pain or is it all related to your spinal compression issue?

I agree that there are sometimes alternatives to Doctors recommendations. I have several family members that were given very poor advice because the industry is focused drugs and surgery. There is a massive amount of medical research that they never bother to explore. Not all though but they are very hard to find.

[walterray1]

[QUOTE=blueash;1978205]I would encourage you to try cattle semen. This is available from many sources including local unregulated farms and even can be obtained yourself if you are a risk taker. I'd instead suggest using a recognized dealer (https://www.bovine-elite.com/) Some people have tried other large mammals such as camels and spaniels. Yak is very commonly used in China, or so I have heard. Grizzly bear is a superior product to cattle but is very expensive and you need to be careful as it is so often mislabeled and diluted with Miracle Whip and other contaminants.

While there are no well done placebo controlled double blind studies supporting this product we all know that cowtilidge is important in joints. If calf pain is a issue, clearly this product is well aligned to help your discomfort. There are many you tube videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya7mwQYeICQ) on how to properly use cattle semen. I'd recommend being sure you align your hips and shoulders exactly north/south when applying the product so that the magnetic field of the earth can properly activate it's healing properties.

While I do wish the OP find some relief somewhere, including non-allopathic approaches, I would point out that anecdotes and online testimonials are as useful as this post. Science advances when theories are tested, properly tested. Pseudo-science is not alternative or forward thinking. It may be complementary. It may provide benefit via some untested mechanism or via the powerful placebo effect. And it is 100% reasonable for patients who have not gotten benefit from well established approaches to try unproven ones. Just don't take their advise as any more based on science than my snarky first couple paragraphs complete with links. You really should watch the you tube video. People selling snake oil really do believe in it. They are not lying in their missionary zeal or purely profit motivated. They are lying to themselves.[/QU

[SusanStCatherine]

Look for someone that is certified in functional medician. I am working with one for several issues and it has been a God sent. Good luck

I very strongly agree! A functional doctor can help you explore both traditional and holistic options.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I very strongly agree! A functional doctor can help you explore both traditional and holistic options.

A functional doctor as compared to a non-functional doctor?

Every doctor I've ever been to has functioned just fine.

Meanwhile: "Functional medicine" refers to the theoretical (and disproven) notion that gut health and adrenals are the "root cause" of just about any ailment. Sort of like when you go to a homeopathic practitioner and they do a blood test that tells you you're allergic to eggs, wheat, dairy, and green beans. What they don't tell you is that your test will show the same allergies as everyone else who takes the test. All it does is measure proteins. You're not really allergic to any of those things.

Quackery has become more sophisticated, as access to internet fraud has expanded.

[aallbrand]

I'm looking for recommendations for forward thinking, new age or holistic pain treatment options in The Villages. (not interested in pot)

Spinal compression issues and widespread nerve pain to be specific.

Much appreciated.

Try back stretching exercising and walking. Ask any good doctor and they will tell you most back and nerve problems can be handled with movement and weight loss . If your not moving and over weight life gets very painful

[ithos]

PubMed (http://pubmed.gov/)

Great resource. If a remedy has been subjected to clinical trials, you can find out here. Not always conclusive but better than internet chatter.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

PubMed (http://pubmed.gov/)

Great resource. If a remedy has been subjected to clinical trials, you can find out here. Not always conclusive but better than internet chatter.

MY ENTIRE POST IS CORRECT BUT IS IN REFERENCE TO THE WRONG WEBSITE. I CONFUSED PUBMED WITH WEBMD. My apologies.

I'm leaving the post itself intact so y'all can see how easy it is to confuse facts, even among people who spend hours doing actual fact-checking. A simple incorrect reference can send people into a tirade. In this case, it was a pretty significant error on my part.

Those are almost all summaries of studies. If you want to see the peer-reviewed double-blind studies IN FULL you have to be a paid subscriber.

ANYONE can upload a study to ***pubmed***. You can upload a hypothesis that peanutbutter can cure acne if smeared on the entire body and left for 24 hours a day, once every three weeks, for three years.

It doesn't make it a valid study, but hey someone will click on it and maybe you'll get famous.


***PUBMED IS NOT THE WEBSITE I WAS THINKING OF WHEN I SAW AND RESPONDED TO THE PREVIOUS POST. WEBMD IS THE UNRELIABLE SITE.***

[ithos]

https://www.healthpromoting.com/sites/default/files/2018-10/Health%20Science%20Winter2016%20Gracie%20Yuen.pdf

TrueNorth Health Center | Optimum Health Starts Here (https://www.healthpromoting.com/)

If all else fails, this clinic has had some amazing documented results since 1984.

[ithos]

Those are almost all summaries of studies. If you want to see the peer-reviewed double-blind studies IN FULL you have to be a paid subscriber.

ANYONE can upload a study to pubmed. You can upload a hypothesis that peanutbutter can cure acne if smeared on the entire body and left for 24 hours a day, once every three weeks, for three years.

It doesn't make it a valid study, but hey someone will click on it and maybe you'll get famous.

Your point is well taken. That is why you don't rely on just one report. If it is credible then you will find many studies with extensive trials.

[jswirs]

I'm looking for recommendations for forward thinking, new age or holistic pain treatment options in The Villages. (not interested in pot)

Spinal compression issues and widespread nerve pain to be specific.

Much appreciated.
Get a copy of "Treat your own back", and follow that for back pain relief. I think the author is Robin McKenzie.?
Also, get and use an inversion bench.
This has helped me tremendously.
Good Luck.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

https://www.healthpromoting.com/sites/default/files/2018-10/Health%20Science%20Winter2016%20Gracie%20Yuen.pdf

TrueNorth Health Center | Optimum Health Starts Here (https://www.healthpromoting.com/)

If all else fails, this clinic has had some amazing documented results since 1984.

More quackery. They sell cookbooks while promoting a "water-only" fasting diet that they claim would last anywhere between 5 and 40 days.

40 days of NO food, only water. They are a "health retreat" center where you have to pay for ALL medical expenses even if you have insurance, and you can get PARTLY reimbursed by your insurance company if they allow you to go to any doctor (no network).

You stay at their center for $150/night if you're willing to share a bathroom and living area with strangers, or you can rent the entire suite for $300/night, and stay in the whole suite by yourself. Obviously, insurance doesn't cover -any- of that part.

It's a very expensive scam. And they're very successful because there are a lot of desperate people willing to try the latest quack trends to treat their "dis-ease" (the trendy term for illness in the alt-med world).

[cbmerl]

I'm looking for recommendations for forward thinking, new age or holistic pain treatment options in The Villages. (not interested in pot)

Spinal compression issues and widespread nerve pain to be specific.

Much appreciated.

You should consider Stretch Zone in Pinellas (also Spanish Springs) They are absolutely amazing. Maybe you need something like that to keep your back "loose". Check it out. They offer one free session in which they tell you and show you what the program is all about. I love them. You have to do nothing .... just show up. They do all the work! At least look into it. It may not be for you but.... maybe it is. I can't believe how many responses are suggesting CBD or Pot even though you specifically said "no" to that.

[Donegalkid]

I have once in the past, but this is something I will reconsider. Thx much.

I personally highly recommend an acupuncture treatment known as “Battlefield Acupuncture”. Here’s a link to a recent article from the American Journal of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation. Some MDs are now trained in it (my preference). The history behind it and recent applications are worth reviewing to see if the treatment may fit your needs. Auriculotherapy is where a sequence of gold mini-darts or semipermanent needles are placed at up to five specific sites in one or both ears for a period of several days to relieve pain. Sounds a bit gruesome but it’s really not. The skin surface of the ear has mapped pain points that correspond to different parts of the body. Ancient Chinese, and recently the Germans and French, have studied this approach for a very long time. You can be the judge. Best of luck.

Battlefield Acupuncture: An Emerging Method for Easing Pain : American Journal of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation (https://journals.lww.com/ajpmr/fulltext/2018/03000/battlefield_acupuncture__an_emerging_method_for.16 .asp)

[Laney16]

First of all, good luck.
Of course a lot depends on the cause, duratin and intensity of your pain.
My own PCP recommended Turmeric 500 mg 2 x day. take with food.
Massage has been a God send also for me.
A third, benign option is homeopathy.
If interested, I suggest you research these modalities at the National Institute of Health. They have done a great job providing good studies.
A good resource for herbs is Comsumerlab.com. its run by a M D who does metanalysus on supplements. Its a paid service but gives clear concise conclusions and tests for content & Impurities, etc. -also gives their top picks of products tested.
I'm sure there are also other modalities. I like an MD who is also is open to and knowledgable about more natural options.
Best of both worlds.

[bp243]

Look for someone that is certified in functional medician. I am working with one for several issues and it has been a God sent. Good luck
Would you please share your doctor? I'm looking for a functional holistic kind of doctor in the area. Thanks in advance!

[golfing eagles]

Try experimenting with a combination of Tumeric Root and Circumin Root - Buy at the grocery store- shave small slivers and eat with breakfast. Did wonders for my L4 & L5 disks. Treatment for inflamation has been around for MANY YEARS,

So have con men, charlatans and snake oil......

[golfing eagles]

I would encourage you to try cattle semen. This is available from many sources including local unregulated farms and even can be obtained yourself if you are a risk taker. I'd instead suggest using a recognized dealer (https://www.bovine-elite.com/) Some people have tried other large mammals such as camels and spaniels. Yak is very commonly used in China, or so I have heard. Grizzly bear is a superior product to cattle but is very expensive and you need to be careful as it is so often mislabeled and diluted with Miracle Whip and other contaminants.

While there are no well done placebo controlled double blind studies supporting this product we all know that cowtilidge is important in joints. If calf pain is a issue, clearly this product is well aligned to help your discomfort. There are many you tube videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya7mwQYeICQ) on how to properly use cattle semen. I'd recommend being sure you align your hips and shoulders exactly north/south when applying the product so that the magnetic field of the earth can properly activate it's healing properties.

While I do wish the OP find some relief somewhere, including non-allopathic approaches, I would point out that anecdotes and online testimonials are as useful as this post. Science advances when theories are tested, properly tested. Pseudo-science is not alternative or forward thinking. It may be complementary. It may provide benefit via some untested mechanism or via the powerful placebo effect. And it is 100% reasonable for patients who have not gotten benefit from well established approaches to try unproven ones. Just don't take their advise as any more based on science than my snarky first couple paragraphs complete with links. You really should watch the you tube video. People selling snake oil really do believe in it. They are not lying in their missionary zeal or purely profit motivated. They are lying to themselves.

Perfect!!!!!

[bp243]

I'm looking for recommendations for forward thinking, new age or holistic pain treatment options in The Villages. (not interested in pot)

Spinal compression issues and widespread nerve pain to be specific.

Much appreciated.
While talking with a chiropractor and asking this same question, he mentioned that his wife uses a holistic doctor in Naples. Evidently they conference/zoom call. Perhaps he might know someone in our area. Contact: Integrative MD, Dr. Lionel King, MD, Naples Vitality, 239-465-0098. There are no words when you live with daily pain. Good luck with finding the right match for you!

[golfing eagles]

A functional doctor as compared to a non-functional doctor?

Every doctor I've ever been to has functioned just fine.

Meanwhile: "Functional medicine" refers to the theoretical (and disproven) notion that gut health and adrenals are the "root cause" of just about any ailment. Sort of like when you go to a homeopathic practitioner and they do a blood test that tells you you're allergic to eggs, wheat, dairy, and green beans. What they don't tell you is that your test will show the same allergies as everyone else who takes the test. All it does is measure proteins. You're not really allergic to any of those things.

Quackery has become more sophisticated, as access to internet fraud has expanded.

Is that seriously what it means????? What a crock!!!!! That's even worse than chiropractors blaming all illness on "spine misalignment" (which they call subluxation to sound intelligent). Just goes to show there are more quacks than ducks in this world. Unfortunately, those that have no good treatment or cure fall easy prey to these snake oil salesmen

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Is that seriously what it means????? What a crock!!!!! That's even worse than chiropractors blaming all illness on "spine misalignment" (which they call subluxation to sound intelligent). Just goes to show there are more quacks than ducks in this world. Unfortunately, those that have no good treatment or cure fall easy prey to these snake oil salesmen

When I was studying aromatherapy I also had to study the following subjects:

alternative therapies: alt-med, holistic health, naturopathy, homeopathy, chiropractic, accupuncture/pressure, reiki, adjunct and complementary therapies, functional medicine, the term "allopathy" and its origins.

Also, I had to learn what the FDA and the DEA had to say about various raw ingredients and essential oils, and I had to learn the national safety data on any oil I was studying that week.

What each of them meant, what each of them included, the upsides and downsides of each, who/what they -could- be used for, who/what they could -not- be used for, possible side effects, potential allergy issues, when to seek licensed medical practitioner help (which turned out to be "most of the time", etc.

That's the primary reason why I know so much about medicine, in general, and in particular - quackery and fraud. I was required to learn about it in order to become a certified aromatherapist. I only "practiced" it seriously for a year, but I enjoyed it more as a hobby and gave it up. I still have some of my oils though and use them mostly for perfuming (though I do still add a drop of ceylon cinnamon oil to my sweet potato casserole).

[JRP2TV]

I heard of PEMF from a seminar put on by a doctor from TVHealth a couple of years ago. I was a bit skeptical but a trial period (w/out purchasing a unit) was given so I thought I'd give it a go. THEN via one of my FB support sites I heard of this as well AND a unit (different company and not a MLM business) that could be purchased through the company for far less than the unit I'd first been introduced to. It's also small and you can take it anywhere. I actually invested in two. I have degenerative disc disease, RA, fibromyalgia to name a few pain inducing conditions. I believe my PEMF unit(s) do help. They're quite different than TENS (which I also had purchased some years before) in that you can't really feel anything. Back in the day I tried the YL oils---when you have pain you will try anything. All they are, are nice smelling and for me they didn't work.

That looks interesting. Thank you!

[JRP2TV]

Is diabetic neuropathy a factor in your nerve pain or is it all related to your spinal compression issue?

I agree that there are sometimes alternatives to Doctors recommendations. I have several family members that were given very poor advice because the industry is focused drugs and surgery. There is a massive amount of medical research that they never bother to explore. Not all though but they are very hard to find.

No diabetic issues. All issue are related to spinal compression and a failed major spine surgery that did me in for good after blowing a disc to pieces.

[Bay Kid]

Add walking to your attempt for recovery.

[blueash]

Those are almost all summaries of studies. If you want to see the peer-reviewed double-blind studies IN FULL you have to be a paid subscriber.

ANYONE can upload a study to pubmed. You can upload a hypothesis that peanutbutter can cure acne if smeared on the entire body and left for 24 hours a day, once every three weeks, for three years.

It doesn't make it a valid study, but hey someone will click on it and maybe you'll get famous.

That posting is not correct.
The PubMed database is a literature database that contains citation information (title, authors, journal, and publication date) and abstracts of articles published in biomedical and scientific journals. PubMed does not contain full-text articles, but in some cases, you can link to full text directly from PubMed.


You cannot send your own study to Pubmed, it MUST be published in a journal. Almost all the abstracted journals are peer reviewed quality. Additionally there is no such thing as a subscription to Pubmed. Every article includes a summary AKA abstract, but many are from journals that are not free. If you wish to read the original complete study you may have to buy it from the journal publisher, not from Pubmed.

You can read the criteria used to have a journal's contents included in the Pubmed database HERE (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/pub/journalselect/)

No you cannot submit your study on peanut butter and have it listed. Your attack on Pubmed is not based on reality and I would suggest you delete that post or edit it as such bad posts only spread misinformation and breed distrust in medical science just like the junk posts about Covid do when posted on this website.

[JRP2TV]

Add walking to your attempt for recovery.

Can't walk much. The compression is worse when vertical. Have spent 8 years going through surgeries, therapies and treatments.

It's not something that can be worked through in this particular case. I will eventually end up in a wheelchair. Just trying to push that day off as far as possible.

[Two Bills]

My 2 cents.
Homeopathy. You may as well drink water, which is basically all you get after all the dilutions.
I have sciatica, and find the stretching exercises are the best relief I get from it.
I do them daily, and they work for me.
I have had accupuncture, and it did give good pain relief.
Unfortunately, by the time I had driven home, I was back to square one!

[PugMom]

PubMed (http://pubmed.gov/)

Great resource. If a remedy has been subjected to clinical trials, you can find out here. Not always conclusive but better than internet chatter.

thx for sharing that site. i'll be wasting time here all day, now-hehee

[graciegirl]

That posting is not correct.


You cannot send your own study to Pubmed, it MUST be published in a journal. Almost all the abstracted journals are peer reviewed quality. Additionally there is no such thing as a subscription to Pubmed. Every article includes a summary AKA abstract, but many are from journals that are not free. If you wish to read the original complete study you may have to buy it from the journal publisher, not from Pubmed.

You can read the criteria used to have a journal's contents included in the Pubmed database HERE (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/pub/journalselect/)

No you cannot submit your study on peanut butter and have it listed. Your attack on Pubmed is not based on reality and I would suggest you delete that post or edit it as such bad posts only spread misinformation and breed distrust in medical science just like the junk posts about Covid do when posted on this website.

This needs to be seen once more. Thank you Doctor for your wisdom.

[SusanStCatherine]

I was wondering if stem cells are available for something like this. Might be worth asking about.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

That posting is not correct.


You cannot send your own study to Pubmed, it MUST be published in a journal. Almost all the abstracted journals are peer reviewed quality. Additionally there is no such thing as a subscription to Pubmed. Every article includes a summary AKA abstract, but many are from journals that are not free. If you wish to read the original complete study you may have to buy it from the journal publisher, not from Pubmed.

You can read the criteria used to have a journal's contents included in the Pubmed database HERE (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/pub/journalselect/)

No you cannot submit your study on peanut butter and have it listed. Your attack on Pubmed is not based on reality and I would suggest you delete that post or edit it as such bad posts only spread misinformation and breed distrust in medical science just like the junk posts about Covid do when posted on this website.

You're right, I apologize. I got it confused with WebMD, which IS unreliable, a mixed bag of science, pseudoscience, and outright quackery, that you can pay a subscription for if you want to know more of the same. If I can still edit my post I will.

[Bay Kid]

Can't walk much. The compression is worse when vertical. Have spent 8 years going through surgeries, therapies and treatments.

It's not something that can be worked through in this particular case. I will eventually end up in a wheelchair. Just trying to push that day off as far as possible.

Getting old isn't for sissies. Just a few short years ago I played tennis 3 times a week, now all I have left is being able to take walks. So sorry for your pain. It makes mine look minimum.

[Ben Franklin]

I'm looking for recommendations for forward thinking, new age or holistic pain treatment options in The Villages. (not interested in pot)

Spinal compression issues and widespread nerve pain to be specific.

Much appreciated.
Are you talking spinal stenosis? I get an injection of steroids twice a year and that has proven, for me, to be very effective. Harsha Rajashekar, DO at the Center for Advanced Healthcare at Brownwood is excellent. If you haven't already, I would suggest trying him. I know it's not New Age or Holistic, but he was the only treatment that helped me.