CDC Posting new Delta Evidence tomorrow - Friday, 07/30/2021

[GrumpyOldMan]

CDC has announced that it will be presenting more information on the Delta variant and more details on the recent findings that more people who are fully vaccinated are getting infected by the Delta variant than originally thought.

However, at this point, they are still not saying those vaccinated that get the Delta are at risk of dying. We will see more tomorrow.

This is known as science - as more is know things change, recommendations change, and projections change.

Hopefully they will have good news, or at least more knowns than unknowns, but we will see what they say tomorrow.

abcnews: cdc-mask decision and findings at Cape Cod Beach (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cdc-mask-decision-stunning-findings-cape-cod-beach/story?id=79148102)

[camaguey48]

Keep telling yourselves the vaccine is safe. You'll be too late.

[davem4616]

too difficult to separate the facts from the fiction on this one for me....

the powers to be have lost all credibility as far as I'm concerned (across the board I might add)

[GrumpyOldMan]

Keep telling yourselves the vaccine is safe. You'll be too late.

Since that has absolutely nothing to do with my post, I find it interesting that you felt you had to post it. #SAD

[graciegirl]

Keep telling yourselves the vaccine is safe. You'll be too late.

Most of us have read Ayn Rand at one time or another.

The Vaccine can save your life.

That is what it was made to do. Anybody can get it that wants it in the U.S.

It is a shot in your arm that makes your body build immunity. The Covid-19 virus can cause a serious and different pneumonia that causes blocking sticky mucous in the lungs that make some people literally choke to death. You are treated if this happens by being placed into a drug induced coma and given supportive measures since antibiotics will not cure this type of pneumonia.

The number of people being hospitalized in the last few days is coming very close to the numbers seen in January of this year. But the ages have dropped.

There is a chance that even with the vaccine you may get the new Delta Variant, but with the vaccine your chance of dying is greatly reduced.

[camaguey48]

CDC has announced that it will be presenting more information on the Delta variant and more details on the recent findings that more people who are fully vaccinated are getting infected by the Delta variant than originally thought.

However, at this point, they are still not saying those vaccinated that get the Delta are at risk of dying. We will see more tomorrow.

This is known as science - as more is know things change, recommendations change, and projections change.

Hopefully they will have good news, or at least more knowns than unknowns, but we will see what they say tomorrow.

abcnews: cdc-mask decision and findings at Cape Cod Beach (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cdc-mask-decision-stunning-findings-cape-cod-beach/story?id=79148102)
Dan Crenshaw Tweets Stunning Revelation on New CDC Mask Guidelines
Townhall Tipsheet Rebecca Downs
Dan Crenshaw Tweets Stunning Revelation on New CDC Mask Guidelines
Rebecca DownsRebecca Downs|Posted: Jul 28, 2021 9:30 PM

Dan Crenshaw Tweets Stunning Revelation on New CDC Mask Guidelines
Source: AP Photo/Susan Walsh


On Tuesday, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) announced a new mask guideline for students, teachers, and staff in K-12 to wear masks regardless of vaccination status, as well as in certain indoor settings, again, also regardless of vaccination status. The move was met with swift criticism, especially and including from former President Donald Trump. Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-TX), though, takes issue with the data used to justify the new guidelines.




The excerpt Rep. Crenshaw references comes from Andrew Joseph's article published by STAT, "CDC Again Recommends Indoor Masking, Even for Some Vaccinated People."

The excerpt in question reads:

An administration official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told STAT that health experts do not have studies proving that fully vaccinated people are transmitting the virus. Rather, the official said, the updated guidance is based on studies showing that vaccinated people who contract the Delta variant have similarly high levels of virus in their airways, which suggested that they may be infectious to others. With other variants, vaccinated people had substantially lower levels of virus in their noses and throats compared to unvaccinated people.
Remember when * said that if vaccinated you don't need to wear a mask?

[Timothyimitchell]

Fact: The P C R test is not effective. It cannot decipher flu from the China virus.

Fact: The vaccine does not work.

[John41]

Better stock up on toilet paper and paper towels.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Remember when * said that if vaccinated you don't need to wear a mask?

I don't understand the point of your post. This thread is about new announcements that are to be made tomorrow, so you posted about old announcements made last Tuesday. Then you add statements disagreeing with those statements by politicians that have no formal background to comment on pandemics.

Then you said, "remember when [someone] said something", and again things change and new information is coming, and this thread is about what is going to be said, not what was said at any time in the past.

So, I guess you just feel reposting the same old things that have been posted hundreds of times in other posts might deflect something that is going to be said?

Seriously, I have no idea WHY you posted that on this thread. I guess if it made you feel good, then that is what counts - ...

[GrumpyOldMan]

Fact: The P C R test is not effective. It cannot decipher flu from the China virus.

Fact: The vaccine does not work.

Well, thank you for your contribution that has NOTHING to do at all with this thread.

But thank you.

And, I am sure the other 7 billion people at risk in the rest of the world also thank you for telling them that they are not at risk, and the families of the 4 million dead so far appreciate you letting them know that their family members didn't really die, it just the biggest lie in the history of pandemics and we found out about it first here... thank you very much

That will be a great relief.

[drducat]

CDC has announced that it will be presenting more information on the Delta variant and more details on the recent findings that more people who are fully vaccinated are getting infected by the Delta variant than originally thought.

However, at this point, they are still not saying those vaccinated that get the Delta are at risk of dying. We will see more tomorrow.

This is known as science - as more is know things change, recommendations change, and projections change.

Hopefully they will have good news, or at least more knowns than unknowns, but we will see what they say tomorrow.

abcnews: cdc-mask decision and findings at Cape Cod Beach (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cdc-mask-decision-stunning-findings-cape-cod-beach/story?id=79148102)

This is why jumping into something completely untested (at least the normal testing) can be catastrophic to many. Best to wait and see.

[Leadbone1]

The CDC is not in charge of this country and certainly not in charge of my life. There will be no mask ever for me and hopefully other Americans that are tired of government trying to control us.

[GoPacers]

Fact: The P C R test is not effective. It cannot decipher flu from the China virus.

Fact: The vaccine does not work.


You clearly have absolutely no idea how a PCR test works.

The vaccine does work, actually better than expected.

Fact:. You are either lying or severely misinformed. Either way, embarrassing.

[kannon]

You clearly have absolutely no idea how a PCR test works.

The vaccine does work, actually better than expected.

Fact:. You are either lying or severely misinformed. Either way, embarrassing.

Agree with you. Look at the numbers, it's plain and simple. Is the vaccine perfect with no side effects? No. Would I take it again knowing everything I do now? Absolutely. We really need to get rid of all of these vaccine misinformation.

[LoisR]

How foolish can a person be? There's never a shortage of idiots in The Villages

[golfing eagles]

CDC has announced that it will be presenting more information on the Delta variant and more details on the recent findings that more people who are fully vaccinated are getting infected by the Delta variant than originally thought.

However, at this point, they are still not saying those vaccinated that get the Delta are at risk of dying. We will see more tomorrow.

This is known as science - as more is know things change, recommendations change, and projections change.

Hopefully they will have good news, or at least more knowns than unknowns, but we will see what they say tomorrow.

abcnews: cdc-mask decision and findings at Cape Cod Beach (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cdc-mask-decision-stunning-findings-cape-cod-beach/story?id=79148102)

We'll see. I am however a bit skeptical. 3 days ago they made a controversial decision re: masks in the vaccinated and drew criticism from around the country. So now they are going to magically present "the proof". The director of the CDC, quoted in the article you referenced, said this:

"Information on the delta variants from several states and other countries, indicate that in rare occasion some vaccinated people infected with a delta variant after vaccination may be contagious and spread the virus to others," she added. "This new science is worrisome and unfortunately warrants an update to our recommendation."

So if the situation is much worse than she indicated in that statement, I'm interested in how she can walk that back just 3 days later. Hmmm.....

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

We are doomed as a society.

We get our vaccines. It means nothing. Wow

Old geezers in their 80s and near 80 - tell us one day - ‘no mask’ - then, tell us ‘must mask’…then tell us ‘no mask’…. then ‘must mask’.. wow - just wow wow wow

How enthusiastic will people be to go out and get the next vaccine?

Our society is screwed. We will go back to a shut down - our youth will not be educated - businesses will start closing again - there will be no hope - most of us in the sunset of our lives will die much sooner than we would have - motivation to live - family, friends, purpose ……. gone. Churches will be shut - again. Social events will be closed. Think of what our society will look like - 20-30 years from now? My heart goes out to our youth. A few old geezers in high places telling us if we don’t stay isolated indoors and wear masks - we will get really sick and die. You mean - if I wear a mask and stay indoors - I won’t have to go to hospital and I won’t die until I am 100? My gut tells me no - but heck, what do I know - I have only lived life for 70 years.…

In my 70+ years on this earth did we put a halt to living because we were afraid to get sick or die? We - as humans - existed because we were placed here to help people get thru those times when they did get sick or injured …… it was humans that made things better thru think and thin (living life - being educated, being innovative, working, sitting next to other humans holding their hand and sharing a smile - giving others the motivation to go on) —-humans doing the wonderful things only humans can do - that prolonged life and delayed death.

I was never taught to retreat and give up. Living life - with all it’s pain and glory is what makes us stronger …..

[golfing eagles]

We are doomed as a society.

We get our vaccines. It means nothing. Wow

Old geezers in their 80s and near 80 - tell us one day - ‘no mask’ - then, tell us ‘must mask’…then tell us ‘no mask’…. then ‘must mask’.. wow - just wow wow wow

How enthusiastic will people be to go out and get the next vaccine?

Our society is screwed. We will go back to a shut down - our youth will not be educated - businesses will start closing again - there will be no hope - most of us in the sunset of our lives will die much sooner than we would have - motivation to live - family, friends, purpose ……. gone. Churches will be shut - again. Social events will be closed. Think of what our society will look like - 20-30 years from now? My heart goes out to our youth. A few old geezers in high places telling us if we don’t stay isolated indoors and wear masks - we will get really sick and die. You mean - if I wear a mask and stay indoors - I won’t have to go to hospital and I won’t die until I am 100? My gut tells me no - but heck, what do I know - I have only lived life for 70 years.…

In my 70+ years on this earth did we put a halt to living because we were afraid to get sick or die? We - as humans - existed because we were placed here to help people get thru those times when they did get sick or injured …… it was humans that made things better thru think and thin (living life - being educated, being innovative, working, sitting next to other humans holding their hand and sharing a smile - giving others the motivation to go on) —-humans doing the wonderful things only humans can do - that prolonged life and delayed death.

I was never taught to retreat and give up. Living life - with all it’s pain and glory is what makes us stronger …..

Very optomistic!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

So when do the four horsemen arrive???:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Grammyarb]

Fact: The P C R test is not effective. It cannot decipher flu from the China virus.

Fact: The vaccine does not work.
Medical Degree from Q University. That will be $29.95 please.

[Raywatkins]

I have read most of the posts on this with dismay.
The OP was only pointing readers to where more up to date info can be found.
I’m a Brit who cannot visit our home in TV at the moment - but I am free of US political views. I don’t pretend to understand the rights under your constitution.
However, every country in the world is faced with striking a balance between individual rights and what is best for all citizens.
It’s not an easy balance and we in the UK struggle just as you do in the US.
The main difference is that most UK citizens accept that we are in exceptional times and therefore accept certain limitations on our liberties at present. Once we return to a more normal lifestyle our government will not be able to interfere as they are now doing. The people have not been influenced by political factors or politicians but by what is the best science at the time. That is what the OP was indicating readers towards.

The common good has largely replaced self interest in the UK.
I hate wearing a mask but do for that common good, knowing I may be saving someone else’s life.

[Malsua]

Let's hope maybe the CDC corrects the numbers?

The data coming out of Isreal is that the Vax protects against severe disease and hospitalization at high levels still, clearly due to a T-cell response. Against infection and symptoms it's much less effective and it seems to be a function of time. I.E. Those who got the Vax in January are much more likely to have a breakthrough case and the odds of not getting it improve the more recent you got Vaxx. Clearly this is the result of circulating antibodies fading over time. Breakthrough however is something like 60%, rather than the original 10% for the earliest Vaxxed.

The great news is the mortality is way down.

https://www.gov.il/BlobFolder/reports/corona-flu-10072021/en/files_weekly-flu-corona_EN-2021_corona-flu-week-27-EN.pdf

[Flgagg]

CDC has announced that it will be presenting more information on the Delta variant and more details on the recent findings that more people who are fully vaccinated are getting infected by the Delta variant than originally thought.

However, at this point, they are still not saying those vaccinated that get the Delta are at risk of dying. We will see more tomorrow.

This is known as science - as more is know things change, recommendations change, and projections change.

Hopefully they will have good news, or at least more knowns than unknowns, but we will see what they say tomorrow.

abcnews: cdc-mask decision and findings at Cape Cod Beach (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cdc-mask-decision-stunning-findings-cape-cod-beach/story?id=79148102)

Thanks for the notice. For all who have commented about the gov, media, CDC, etc all I can say is go to a local hospital and see all the people who are extremely ill. Then make your decision based on the evidence you see. I do believe it is a personal decision about getting a shot but please wear a mask so your decision doesn’t effect others. I currently have a granddaughter who is gravely ill with COVID. That isn’t a lie the government made, it isn’t a media smear, it isn’t the CDC over reacting, it simply is a fact COVID is real.

[Bay Kid]

Better stock up on toilet paper and paper towels.

For sure. We about to get a load of s___ from the govern and the media. Be prepared to cleanup after them.

[golfing eagles]

Let's hope maybe the CDC corrects the numbers?

The data coming out of Isreal is that the Vax protects against severe disease and hospitalization at high levels still, clearly due to a T-cell response. Against infection and symptoms it's much less effective and it seems to be a function of time. I.E. Those who got the Vax in January are much more likely to have a breakthrough case and the odds of not getting it improve the more recent you got Vaxx. Clearly this is the result of circulating antibodies fading over time. Breakthrough however is something like 60%, rather than the original 10% for the earliest Vaxxed.

The great news is the mortality is way down.

https://www.gov.il/BlobFolder/reports/corona-flu-10072021/en/files_weekly-flu-corona_EN-2021_corona-flu-week-27-EN.pdf

You bring up very valid point that has not been addressed yet. The original vaccine studies suggested that the immunity from the vaccine might be as short as 6-8 months, and therefore the talk about a booster. The people who got the vaccine first may have fading immunity at this point, especially against a more contagious variant. But I disagree that the breakthrough rate is 60%---It is about 1000x less than that (so far). Any source for that 60% number? (And not that one off from P-town that was reported as 74% of the new cases were vaccinated)

[merrymini]

Since the cdc and government are a pack of liars and the information is so contradictory, how can anyone put any faith in anything they say? Line up for your 10th booster please!

[richs631]

too difficult to separate the facts from the fiction on this one for me....

the powers to be have lost all credibility as far as I'm concerned (across the board I might add)

100% correct. I trust nobody anymore

[coconutmama]

I have read most of the posts on this with dismay.
The OP was only pointing readers to where more up to date info can be found.
I’m a Brit who cannot visit our home in TV at the moment - but I am free of US political views. I don’t pretend to understand the rights under your constitution.
However, every country in the world is faced with striking a balance between individual rights and what is best for all citizens.
It’s not an easy balance and we in the UK struggle just as you do in the US.
The main difference is that most UK citizens accept that we are in exceptional times and therefore accept certain limitations on our liberties at present. Once we return to a more normal lifestyle our government will not be able to interfere as they are now doing. The people have not been influenced by political factors or politicians but by what is the best science at the time. That is what the OP was indicating readers towards.

The common good has largely replaced self interest in the UK.
I hate wearing a mask but do for that common good, knowing I may be saving someone else’s life.

Thank you for your post. That is exactly the problem in the USA, too many are not willing to put country over self.

[matandch]

Since that has absolutely nothing to do with my post, I find it interesting that you felt you had to post it. #SAD It’s like telling a cancer patient keep telling yourself that chemo and radiation therapy is ok.

[Malsua]

You bring up very valid point that has not been addressed yet. The original vaccine studies suggested that the immunity from the vaccine might be as short as 6-8 months, and therefore the talk about a booster. The people who got the vaccine first may have fading immunity at this point, especially against a more contagious variant. But I disagree that the breakthrough rate is 60%---It is about 1000x less than that (so far). Any source for that 60% number? (And not that one off from P-town that was reported as 74% of the new cases were vaccinated)

I read it several places, so I had to track it down again. Here's one.


Delta variant: Pfizer Covid vaccine 39% effective in Israel, prevents severe illness (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delta-variant-pfizer-covid-vaccine-39percent-effective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html)

I read somewhere else that had a nice breakdown by time of Vaccination over time and more recent vaxers had better protection. I'll try to find it again.

[camaguey48]

Since the cdc and government are a pack of liars and the information is so contradictory, how can anyone put any faith in anything they say? Line up for your 10th booster please!
Correct! The CDC, Fraudci, * and so called "experts" are very adept at flip flopping. Like obedient sheep we go to get the jab and we feel protected, right? But wait. We are told now that we must wear the useless mask again or be coerced into doing so. If you want to keep being manipulated and deceived, go ahead. It's your right. After all, America is still a free country, right????

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

Very optomistic!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

So when do the four horsemen arrive???:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

When you know wonderful people who have died - because they weren’t allowed to go get a checkup to test whether they were still in remission - because we were told to to stay hunkered down in our homes….because of a tremendous fear of getting sick and dying (yes - telling seriously ill and dying people to stay home because we fear an illness that over 99% would endure and survive) ….. I don’t know - just my opinion - but, not an optimistic scenario ….

When you see an extremely promising young adult who has worked so hard to excel in studies and life -and- at one time showed so much excitement and enthusiasm for life and the future and -now- they are faced with mental distraught and anxiety (or worse) …. Golly — all you have to do is turn on the TV to see the impact on the mental health of young adults.

It is sad ……

So banter back and forth - post all of your “facts” …… yet you ignore what is really happening and the consequences of just focusing on whose facts are right or wrong. At the end of the day - it doesn’t matter whose facts are right or wrong…..

[golfing eagles]

When you know wonderful people who have died - because they weren’t allowed to go get a checkup to test whether they were still in remission - because we were told to to stay hunkered down in our homes….because of a tremendous fear of getting sick and dying (yes - telling seriously ill and dying people to stay home because we fear an illness that over 99% would endure and survive) ….. I don’t know - just my opinion - but, not an optimistic scenario ….

When you see an extremely promising young adult who has worked so hard to excel in studies and life -and- at one time showed so much excitement and enthusiasm for life and the future and -now- they are faced with mental distraught and anxiety (or worse) …. Golly — all you have to do is turn on the TV to see the impact on the mental health of young adults.

It is sad ……

So banter back and forth - post all of your “facts” …… yet you ignore what is really happening and the consequences of just focusing on whose facts are right or wrong. At the end of the day - it doesn’t matter whose facts are right or wrong…..

I think you failed to garner the sarcasm of that post.

But be that as it may, NOBODY told chemo patients to stay home and ignore their treatment. And I doubt there is a tremendous epidemic of mental health concerns in YOUNG adults----for the most part they went on with life and considered it an epidemic of "old" people

[Eg_cruz]

Since that has absolutely nothing to do with my post, I find it interesting that you felt you had to post it. #SAD
How does it have nothing to do with your post. Once again you are hoping to prove the vaccine is the way to go…again and again and again

[Chase219]

When the FDA approves the shot and they know exactly what is in it then maybe people will get it. Sticking something in your body that they really don't know what's in it and can't guaranty if your body will except it, or not or if it will really will prevent people from getting Covid , is ridiculous,

Or there excuse is you can still get it but Not as Bad is a bunch of Bull ****
Every one dies sooner or later Shot or No Shot

[golfing eagles]

When the FDA approves the shot and they know exactly what is in it then maybe people will get it. Sticking something in your body that they really don't know what's in it and can't guaranty if your body will except it, or not or if it will really will prevent people from getting Covid , is ridiculous,

Or there excuse is you can still get it but Not as Bad is a bunch of Bull ****
Every one dies sooner or later Shot or No Shot

Hard to give any credence to a post by someone who doesn't know the difference between "except" and "accept"
That, and the content is utter nonsense

[Eg_cruz]

The CDC is not in charge of this country and certainly not in charge of my life. There will be no mask ever for me and hopefully other Americans that are tired of government trying to control us.
While I agree that our gov over steps. I can not agree with you on the mask. The question I have for you do you think the people of Brazil or India give one carp about the Dems and Reps taking mask sides. They are losing more lives per cap then US so why is this just our gov issue.
This is and will not be the last worldwide pandemic, we’ve had hundreds of them throughout our time in history so why is this one a government issue and just not a world pandemic issue. Oh that’s right because our country is divided more then ever before so it has to be about politics…..it beyond said that people can’t put their hate aside and come together so we can walk through this strong

[Singerlady]

Better the vaccine than a ventilator.

[Singerlady]

Plz quote your ‘source’.

[GeriS]

You clearly have absolutely no idea how a PCR test works.

The vaccine does work, actually better than expected.

Fact:. You are either lying or severely misinformed. Either way, embarrassing.
The developer of the test said it does not work.

[Singerlady]

Science is not the truth. Science is finding the truth. When Science changes its opinion, it didn’t lie to you. It learned more.

[tuccillo]

Actually, they do know that the vaccines will reduce, dramatically, the incidence of COVID in the population. That is why they run trials, in this case about 40,000 total people in each trial. These trials were designed to determine whether the vaccines will have an overall positive outcome for a population. On an individual basis, there can be negative outcomes. There will be breakthrough cases - the trials demonstrated that. The results of the trials (specifically the hypothesis that the vaccines have a positive impact) are tested for statistical significance. In the case of the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines, the vaccines reduced the probability of developing COVID, if exposed, by a factor of 20x, for the tested population. The tested population is a proxy for the population as a whole.

When the FDA approves the shot and they know exactly what is in it then maybe people will get it. Sticking something in your body that they really don't know what's in it and can't guaranty if your body will except it, or not or if it will really will prevent people from getting Covid , is ridiculous,

Or there excuse is you can still get it but Not as Bad is a bunch of Bull ****
Every one dies sooner or later Shot or No Shot

[Guitarman1951]

My brother, who is fully vaccinated, got the Delta variant and ended up in the hospital with severe dehydration. He is back out now but it was a tough go in what he described like a severe flu but even worse. The Dr did say his vaccination saved his life by not letting it get into his lungs. He is still struggling to get back to normal but getting there. So yes, you can get the Delta variant even if vaccinated but it's full effect will be limited. This further demonstrates the need for masks once again and, perhaps, some penalties to unvaccinated people to entice them to get vaccinated. They are spreading it and threatening everyone.

[Gray lady of the sea]

I agree completely !!!

[Pat2015]

When you know wonderful people who have died - because they weren’t allowed to go get a checkup to test whether they were still in remission - because we were told to to stay hunkered down in our homes….because of a tremendous fear of getting sick and dying (yes - telling seriously ill and dying people to stay home because we fear an illness that over 99% would endure and survive) ….. I don’t know - just my opinion - but, not an optimistic scenario ….

When you see an extremely promising young adult who has worked so hard to excel in studies and life -and- at one time showed so much excitement and enthusiasm for life and the future and -now- they are faced with mental distraught and anxiety (or worse) …. Golly — all you have to do is turn on the TV to see the impact on the mental health of young adults.

It is sad ……

So banter back and forth - post all of your “facts” …… yet you ignore what is really happening and the consequences of just focusing on whose facts are right or wrong. At the end of the day - it doesn’t matter whose facts are right or wrong…..
Good post! Next up will be schools not opening, churches shut down, and businesses closed. To what end and to what cost to our kids, mental health, and financial devastation for many?

[graciegirl]

How foolish can a person be? There's never a shortage of idiots in The Villages

There is another test called an IQ test that has been virtually abandoned, but we know from it that not all people have the same abilities to understand and perceive and even really intelligent people can also be given inaccurate information from those they trust.

I don't think railing at people because they can't "see" this that seems very obvious to you and me is helping either.

Three people who I know well and love do not believe it is wise to get the vaccine. It makes me so worried and frustrated and I have great hope that something or someone will change their mind. All of our immediate family has received both shots and I now worry that they will still get sick with this variant but I don't worry about them dying.

We must do what we know is safe for ourselves and hope that others will soon make wise choices. Daughter and I will stop for now going to the rec center to do our art and craft projects. I don't want to chance exposing us to this "mild flu" even though I am sure it won't kill since we are vaccinated. We could spread it and get this "mild flu".

Please all stay safe and well.

[Gray lady of the sea]

Thank you ! I’m with you - enough is enough !!!

[camaguey48]

Let's hope maybe the CDC corrects the numbers?

The data coming out of Isreal is that the Vax protects against severe disease and hospitalization at high levels still, clearly due to a T-cell response. Against infection and symptoms it's much less effective and it seems to be a function of time. I.E. Those who got the Vax in January are much more likely to have a breakthrough case and the odds of not getting it improve the more recent you got Vaxx. Clearly this is the result of circulating antibodies fading over time. Breakthrough however is something like 60%, rather than the original 10% for the earliest Vaxxed.

The great news is the mortality is way down.

https://www.gov.il/BlobFolder/reports/corona-flu-10072021/en/files_weekly-flu-corona_EN-2021_corona-flu-week-27-EN.pdf
So is the morality.

[Rsener]

Keep telling yourselves the vaccine is safe. You'll be too late.

You really need help

[Eg_cruz]

My brother, who is fully vaccinated, got the Delta variant and ended up in the hospital with severe dehydration. He is back out now but it was a tough go in what he described like a severe flu but even worse. The Dr did say his vaccination saved his life by not letting it get into his lungs. He is still struggling to get back to normal but getting there. So yes, you can get the Delta variant even if vaccinated but it's full effect will be limited. This further demonstrates the need for masks once again and, perhaps, some penalties to unvaccinated people to entice them to get vaccinated. They are spreading it and threatening everyone.
you want to set a penalty against people who don’t want to get vaccinated……wow you are funny
Smdh

[Spalumbos62]

Fact: The P C R test is not effective. It cannot decipher flu from the China virus.

Fact: The vaccine does not work.

Fact: leave your dying wishes on your frig for your family

[Eg_cruz]

You really need help
No peeps who believe an non approved shot is safe need help

[John41]

Since the cdc and government are a pack of liars and the information is so contradictory, how can anyone put any faith in anything they say? Line up for your 10th booster please!

True. The government says the border is under control and Fauci says he’s not been to the border where thousands of illegal immigrants from Covid infected countries not wearing masks, unvaccinated and not social distancing stream daily across the border and are seeded across this country by the government. The media itself has abandoned truth in journalism.

[billethkid]

Progress on this subject is akin to going on a trip on a merry go round.

[Spalumbos62]

The CDC is not in charge of this country and certainly not in charge of my life. There will be no mask ever for me and hopefully other Americans that are tired of government trying to control us.


Your bologna rhetoric will end soon. (Most will be able to read between these lines)

[golfing eagles]

No peeps who believe an non approved shot is safe need help

People need to understand the difference between "FDA approved", Emergency Use Authorization", "Off label use" and "experimental". I'll let all the "Dr. Googles" out there look it up and educate themselves.

But I'll give them a hint: The final FDA "approval" consists of about 10% more research/studies and 90% bureaucratic paperwork.

[Spalumbos62]

The CDC is not in charge of this country and certainly not in charge of my life. There will be no mask ever for me and hopefully other Americans that are tired of government trying to control us.


Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah

[glennerv]

Good for you.

[Spalumbos62]

Let's hope maybe the CDC corrects the numbers?

The data coming out of Isreal is that the Vax protects against severe disease and hospitalization at high levels still, clearly due to a T-cell response. Against infection and symptoms it's much less effective and it seems to be a function of time. I.E. Those who got the Vax in January are much more likely to have a breakthrough case and the odds of not getting it improve the more recent you got Vaxx. Clearly this is the result of circulating antibodies fading over time. Breakthrough however is something like 60%, rather than the original 10% for the earliest Vaxxed.

The great news is the mortality is way down.

https://www.gov.il/BlobFolder/reports/corona-flu-10072021/en/files_weekly-flu-corona_EN-2021_corona-flu-week-27-EN.pdf

So I guess a booster is coming soon....ok, bring it on! Let's flush this toilet.

[Spalumbos62]

Since the cdc and government are a pack of liars and the information is so contradictory, how can anyone put any faith in anything they say? Line up for your 10th booster please!


Merrimini...you can get at the end of the booster line if you want...I want to live...I will gladly go to the front.

[gdennis317]

Dan Crenshaw Tweets Stunning Revelation on New CDC Mask Guidelines
Townhall Tipsheet Rebecca Downs
Dan Crenshaw Tweets Stunning Revelation on New CDC Mask Guidelines
Rebecca DownsRebecca Downs|Posted: Jul 28, 2021 9:30 PM

Dan Crenshaw Tweets Stunning Revelation on New CDC Mask Guidelines
Source: AP Photo/Susan Walsh


On Tuesday, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) announced a new mask guideline for students, teachers, and staff in K-12 to wear masks regardless of vaccination status, as well as in certain indoor settings, again, also regardless of vaccination status. The move was met with swift criticism, especially and including from former President Donald Trump. Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-TX), though, takes issue with the data used to justify the new guidelines.




The excerpt Rep. Crenshaw references comes from Andrew Joseph's article published by STAT, "CDC Again Recommends Indoor Masking, Even for Some Vaccinated People."

The excerpt in question reads:

An administration official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told STAT that health experts do not have studies proving that fully vaccinated people are transmitting the virus. Rather, the official said, the updated guidance is based on studies showing that vaccinated people who contract the Delta variant have similarly high levels of virus in their airways, which suggested that they may be infectious to others. With other variants, vaccinated people had substantially lower levels of virus in their noses and throats compared to unvaccinated people.
Remember when * said that if vaccinated you don't need to wear a mask?

Neither one of which has any background in Science or Medicine and One is a Chronic Liar and Grifter who took the Vaccine before most of us could get it.

170,000,000 people have had the Vaccine in the last 6-8 months.
One in 25000 has had a breakthrough Covid Case and one in 100,000 have died. I like those odds over what yours are without the Vaccine.

[Spalumbos62]

Correct! The CDC, Fraudci, * and so called "experts" are very adept at flip flopping. Like obedient sheep we go to get the jab and we feel protected, right? But wait. We are told now that we must wear the useless mask again or be coerced into doing so. If you want to keep being manipulated and deceived, go ahead. It's your right. After all, America is still a free country, right????


I agree, believe what you want. The more people out there like you only makes it easier for me...to move up the booster line. Thank you

[golfing eagles]

Since the cdc and government are a pack of liars and the information is so contradictory, how can anyone put any faith in anything they say? Line up for your 10th booster please!

Wouldn't be thrilled, but I'll get in that line if needed. Don't forget, none of the vaccine studies suggested that you would gain lifelong immunity from this shot. In fact, a lot of the manufacturers were looking at 6-8 months. So not only does that suggest that "boosters" would be needed, but also that the first of the vaccinated may be losing their immunity at this point and therefore contributing to the "breakthrough" rate.

[Spalumbos62]

When the FDA approves the shot and they know exactly what is in it then maybe people will get it. Sticking something in your body that they really don't know what's in it and can't guaranty if your body will except it, or not or if it will really will prevent people from getting Covid , is ridiculous,

Or there excuse is you can still get it but Not as Bad is a bunch of Bull ****
Every one dies sooner or later Shot or No Shot

I'll take later

[GrumpyOldMan]

How does it have nothing to do with your post. Once again you are hoping to prove the vaccine is the way to go…again and again and again

Read my post, I simply provide information that new data would be forth coming today. Period, you are so obsessed with your paranoid delusions that you read the word frog and assume someone is pushing some agenda.

That is sad.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Science is not the truth. Science is finding the truth. When Science changes its opinion, it didn’t lie to you. It learned more.

Wait, what?

You aren’t American are you? That post made way to much sense and was absolutely lacking in vitriol.

Please go stand in the corner for five minutes.

[njbchbum]

How foolish can a person be? There's never a shortage of idiots in The Villages

I'm going to bet that there is at least one fool on this board who believes that only Villagers take part in the banter here and that outsider fools don't! :1rotfl:

[Spalumbos62]

you want to set a penalty against people who don’t want to get vaccinated……wow you are funny
Smdh

Absolutely!! If it turns out they are the probable cause, yes. At least some type of ownership....possibly not allowed into social situations, ie: movies, restaurants, sporting events. I also think that should they get sick and end up hospitalized - it should be on their dime.
At this point it looks like we might be giving them 100$, so be it. Just get it.

[John41]

Wait, what?

You aren’t American are you? That post made way to much sense and was absolutely lacking in vitriol.

Please go stand in the corner for five minutes.

There’s a difference between science which searches for the truth and scientists who have a multitude of competing objectives. If you equate Fauci with “the truth” then you are naive.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Fascinating, maybe one or two posts here were on topic, the arrival of more information today.

The rest were mostly the typical rants and ravings. Most of which make claims denying science or government. If you read through the posts you will see in the vast majority of the cases the posts vitriol is based on a hatred of the government, ie. political. Most say things like Fauci is a liar, but these same people were praising Fauci when he was the previous presidents spokes person. The Fauci committed political suicide by disagreeing with the president, and since then he has been a pariah. We see this over and over where politicians are heralded until they disagree with the previous president, then suddenly they become lying scum.

Of course we can’t discuss politics here so what happens is the personal attacks and name calling, and they simply leave off the political crap. At some point we need to say out loud, the king has no clothes.

The fact is republicans make up about 30% of the population, and about 30% of the republicans believe all this outrageous nonsense being spewed here and all over the internet. So, the good news is, it is actually a very small percentage of American that are falling for all the BS. The bad news is they are a very vocal small percentage.

I do wish that TOTV would follow other medias choice to ban/block posts that are simply reposts of proven lies, and not just political post.

[GrumpyOldMan]

There’s a difference between science which searches for the truth and scientists who have a multitude of competing objectives. If you equate Fauci with “the truth” then you are naive.

Over and over, and yet, what Fauci says is the same as scientists say from all ove4 5he world, so maybe you are the naive one for jumping on the “everyone hate Fauci” band wagon because dared to disagree with the previous president.

[Malsua]

So I guess a booster is coming soon....ok, bring it on! Let's flush this toilet.

While a booster is probably coming, I had a _robust_ reaction to the second shot. I'm not really willing to go through that again to prevent the sniffles.

The Vaccination is clearly preventing severe disease and death and the variant seems to be less lethal overall. The faster we run it out of hosts...the better. Locking down everyone until we can get Vax again seems like it's just going to drag it out till the next variant appears. We know Vax adoption will not be enough anyway.

Lets have some delta parties, similar to the old measles parties ;). This is mostly facetious, but I'm a fan of protecting the vulnerable and let the healthy get this thing over with.

[cherylncliff]

Fact: The P C R test is not effective. It cannot decipher flu from the China virus.

Fact: The vaccine does not work.

You are posting dangerous and potentially deadly information.

The PCR test is effective and is specific for the SARS COV 2 virus.

The vaccine is effective albeit not 100% protective. NO vaccine is 100% protective but the FACTS are that 99.5% of current Covid deaths are unvaccinated and 97% of new Covid cases are unvaccinated.

Follow the science and NOT the politicians.

[camaguey48]

True. The government says the border is under control and Fauci says he’s not been to the border where thousands of illegal immigrants from Covid infected countries not wearing masks, unvaccinated and not social distancing stream daily across the border and are seeded across this country by the government. The media itself has abandoned truth in journalism.
Fraudci hasn't been to the border. Has he been to Europe?

[KRMACK55]

Since that has absolutely nothing to do with my post, I find it interesting that you felt you had to post it. #SAD
The same applies to you ! Anyone can post what they want ! Who are you who believe ABC news ? #SADAREYOU

[GrumpyOldMan]

True. The government says the border is under control and Fauci says he’s not been to the border where thousands of illegal immigrants from Covid infected countries not wearing masks, unvaccinated and not social distancing stream daily across the border and are seeded across this country by the government. The media itself has abandoned truth in journalism.

Wait, Fauci has not been to the border? Are you serious? The scientist that has worked closely with administrations of both parties. The person that has been recognized as a leader in virus research around the world, the person that was the previous presidents right hand man, the man all the previous presidents supporters lauded until he committed political suicide by disagreeing with the president?

That Fauci has never been to the border? I will never believe anything he ever says again. Thank god you went to the border an so we can trust your insights on this matter. Please tell us more, we are eager for the truth you learned while at the border.

I mean seriously, you should run for president. I mean you have been to the border!

[KRMACK55]

Fact: The P C R test is not effective. It cannot decipher flu from the China virus.

Fact: The vaccine does not work.
Thank you !

[GrumpyOldMan]

The same applies to you ! Anyone can post what they want ! Who are you who believe ABC news ? #SADAREYOU

In 1567 on July 24 Mary Queen of Scotts was forced to abdicate the throne. As far as I can tell it was because she advocated for Fauci to become the palace physician.

[KRMACK55]

I don't understand the point of your post. This thread is about new announcements that are to be made tomorrow, so you posted about old announcements made last Tuesday. Then you add statements disagreeing with those statements by politicians that have no formal background to comment on pandemics.

Then you said, "remember when [someone] said something", and again things change and new information is coming, and this thread is about what is going to be said, not what was said at any time in the past.

So, I guess you just feel reposting the same old things that have been posted hundreds of times in other posts might deflect something that is going to be said?

Seriously, I have no idea WHY you posted that on this thread. I guess if it made you feel good, then that is what counts - ...
They are part of this group who think they own this site because they opine about everything. Nothing is researched or learned it’s just crap that the feds put out!

[KRMACK55]

The CDC is not in charge of this country and certainly not in charge of my life. There will be no mask ever for me and hopefully other Americans that are tired of government trying to control us.
Exactly the CDC is not a government agency sadly and for many unknowingly our federal budget gives them funds ! Doesn’t even matter to the public that CDC officials own stock in big Pharma. None of the altering DNA drugs went through rigorous testing and they only want to be free of liability. It’s about politics law and being held harmless.

[KRMACK55]

Well, thank you for your contribution that has NOTHING to do at all with this thread.

But thank you.

And, I am sure the other 7 billion people at risk in the rest of the world also thank you for telling them that they are not at risk, and the families of the 4 million dead so far appreciate you letting them know that their family members didn't really die, it just the biggest lie in the history of pandemics and we found out about it first here... thank you very much

That will be a great relief.
Please keep your masks on forever.

[Dana1963]

Over and over, and yet, what Fauci says is the same as scientists say from all ove4 5he world, so maybe you are the naive one for jumping on the “everyone hate Fauci” band wagon because dared to disagree with the previous president.
Remember the Covid Vaccine was brought to us by the previous President. Along with BLEACH INJECTIONS, ULTRA VIOLET LIGHT INSERTED WHERE? And Hydroxychloroquine who would have thought that it might not work!

[KRMACK55]

You clearly have absolutely no idea how a PCR test works.

The vaccine does work, actually better than expected.

Fact:. You are either lying or severely misinformed. Either way, embarrassing.
Not so ! You have no idea and to criticize someone else because they don’t follow in line makes your criticism moot

[KRMACK55]

How foolish can a person be? There's never a shortage of idiots in The Villages
Such as people like you who choose to call names rather than get informed! Group think is toxic just like you.

[Dana1963]

Thank you !
I’m just glad Mike Lindell pulled his My Pillow adds from Fox News.

[nick demis]

Keep telling yourselves the vaccine is safe. You'll be too late.

What does that mean?

[GrumpyOldMan]

I’m just glad Mike Lindell pulled his My Pillow adds from Fox News.

Something to think about. There are about 30000 deaths from hep c annually. So it is advised to wash you hands after you go to the restroom.

In most states there are laws requiring you to wash your hands after if you work in a restaurant.

Pretty close to 300,000,000 American go the the bathroom every day. And yet, there are only 30,000 deaths from hep c.

There were 600,000 deaths from Covid last year, oh right that is also a lie…

Nevermind.

[Irishmen]

What does that mean?

Something to think about. There are about 30000 deaths from hep c annually. So it is advised to wash you hands after you go to the restroom.

In most states there are laws requiring you to wash your hands after if you work in a restaurant.

Pretty close to 300,000,000 American go the the bathroom every day. And yet, there are only 30,000 deaths from hep c.

There were 600,000 deaths from Covid last year, oh right that is also a lie…

Nevermind.

How many died of the flu in 2019 compared to 2020?

[golfing eagles]

Something to think about. There are about 30000 deaths from hep c annually. So it is advised to wash you hands after you go to the restroom.

In most states there are laws requiring you to wash your hands after if you work in a restaurant.

Pretty close to 300,000,000 American go the the bathroom every day. And yet, there are only 30,000 deaths from hep c.

There were 600,000 deaths from Covid last year, oh right that is also a lie…

Nevermind.

I think you may have hit the wrong key. Hepatitis C is spread by blood and sexual contact, same as Hep B. It is Hep A that is spread by the fecal-oral route and can be combated by hand washing

[GrumpyOldMan]

I think you may have hit the wrong key. Hepatitis C is spread by blood and sexual contact, same as Hep B. It is Hep A that is spread by the fecal-oral route and can be combated by hand washing

Point was, it is highly contagious, there are recommended guidelines to avoid the spread, some of those guidelines are mandatory, and the spread is contained. Despite people having a right to not wash their hands. And you almost never hear about government conspiracies about washing you hand, even thought it is not 100% affective.

Seems a very close metaphor. My point is most of the arguments here are political.

[dewilson58]

I think you may have hit the wrong key. Hepatitis C is spread by blood and sexual contact, same as Hep B. It is Hep A that is spread by the fecal-oral route and can be combated by hand washing

And all these years I've been washing my hands to avoid Hep C. :faint:

[Timothyimitchell]

Thank you !

You're welcome. This IS the science.

[Bonnevie]

just returned from routine dr. appt. I discussed with him my sadness that covid is on the rise again and my anger at those who won't get vaccinated and/or wear a mask. He said he understood, seemed dismayed as well, and said many will pay a price for that.

[rjm1cc]

The data supporting all announcements by all levels of government should be released at the time of the announcement to provide confidence in the announcements.

[Velvet]

Fact: The P C R test is not effective. It cannot decipher flu from the China virus.

Fact: The vaccine does not work.

You are just being funny, aren’t you? LOL

[Byte1]

I'm glad that more and more information is becoming available, BUT it seems that only particular information is released that suits the aim or goal of those broadcasting it. For instance, information regarding the widespread of the Delta variant and infection rate is hysterically pushed upon us and the possible need for mandating mask wearing, after they told us that if we had the vaccination we would no longer need to wear the mask and that the vaccination would also protect us from Delta. OK, so people make mistakes. I get it. However, the teachers refused to teach our children until they were placed at the front of the vaccination line with the first responders. That done, they now say that they will not return to class until the children are vaccinated. Good call, considering the fact that children are not being vaccinated yet.
Yes, I want to hear the latest information as it is released, BUT please give us the truth whether good or bad, not just politically motivated.
Why is it that they tell us about the great spurt in Covid infections due to the Delta variant, BUT do not tell us about how low the death rate has become? Sounds to me that this is information that EVERYONE should know so that they can have a positive outlook on the situation and the future. Sure, some folks are still dying, but folks are still dying from the flu, rabies, snake bites, etc. Good news should be given out just as fast as bad news.
Does anyone have a link to a spurt of deaths in the past few months? I've been looking, but I only see graphs that are dropping. Seems to me that either the vaccination is working, or the virus is fading/weakening. Either way, I think that is good news. Of course, there are always the gloom and doom mongers that insist that one death in a million is too many, and that they know someone that just died or someone that is seriously ill and hospitalized. Sorry, but no one lives forever. No one gets out of this life, alive and old folks generally die faster than younger folks.
Give us up to date stats on how many are currently dying from Covid in the U.S. of A. I am not concerned with India, S.America or Africa. I do not plan to travel there again.
Just the facts, ma'am. Just the facts.

[Byte1]

just returned from routine dr. appt. I discussed with him my sadness that covid is on the rise again and my anger at those who won't get vaccinated and/or wear a mask. He said he understood, seemed dismayed as well, and said many will pay a price for that.

I had my check up and my doctor asked me if I wanted the flu shot. I replied that I did not and he said OK. :popcorn:

[fgaba1949]

Each year how many folks die from the flu ? Remember when they use to report that number.
So now anyone that dies from the flu is counted as Covid .
Thoughts on why ?

[Byte1]

I’m just glad Mike Lindell pulled his My Pillow adds from Fox News.

Why? And what does that have to do with covid?

[graciegirl]

Each year how many folks die from the flu ? Remember when they use to report that number.
So now anyone that dies from the flu is counted as Covid .
Thoughts on why ?

I think that is speculation and or exaggeration that people are counted as death by Covid when that is not the cause. I think it must be very hard to precisely place the reason for death, particularly for the elderly. They can die from the Covid-19 virus but it could be labeled pneumonia. Both would be correct.

I choose to trust the CDC. I choose to think that Dr. Fauci is continuing to do his job and although very good at it, he can only report data reported to HIM.

It must be very difficult to get data that is completely reliable.

I refuse to believe that anyone is benefiting by this Pandemic that affects people world wide. I remember seeing the early films coming from Italy. AWFUL.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Each year how many folks die from the flu ? Remember when they use to report that number.
So now anyone that dies from the flu is counted as Covid .
Thoughts on why ?

Why did you stop beating your wife?

You can learn all about logical fallacies (and other types of fallacies) here:
Fallacies // Purdue Writing Lab (https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/general_writing/academic_writing/logic_in_argumentative_writing/fallacies.html)

You're welcome.

[graciegirl]

The defining photos of the pandemic — and the stories behind them (https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/03/world/coronavirus-pandemic-cnnphotos/)

[bluedivergirl]

Something to think about. There are about 30000 deaths from hep c annually. So it is advised to wash you hands after you go to the restroom.

In most states there are laws requiring you to wash your hands after if you work in a restaurant.

Pretty close to 300,000,000 American go the the bathroom every day. And yet, there are only 30,000 deaths from hep c.

There were 600,000 deaths from Covid last year, oh right that is also a lie…

Nevermind.

Hepatitis C is transmitted through bodily fluids.

Hepatitis A is the fecal/food-borne virus.

The two are distinctly different.

[John41]

The data supporting all announcements by all levels of government should be released at the time of the announcement to provide confidence in the announcements.

True. Fauci has withheld data for peer review which is the foundation of science. He also called one of the scientists who supported the lab leak idea and that scientist suddenly changed his mind. Fauci is said to be a tyrant to and scientists who disagree with him.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Each year how many folks die from the flu ? Remember when they use to report that number.
So now anyone that dies from the flu is counted as Covid .
Thoughts on why ?

The main reason if that what you said is not true. But, thank you for playing, and try again.

[GrumpyOldMan]

I think that is speculation and or exaggeration that people are counted as death by Covid when that is not the cause. I think it must be very hard to precisely place the reason for death, particularly for the elderly. They can die from the Covid-19 virus but it could be labeled pneumonia. Both would be correct.

I choose to trust the CDC. I choose to think that Dr. Fauci is continuing to do his job and although very good at it, he can only report data reported to HIM.

It must be very difficult to get data that is completely reliable.

I refuse to believe that anyone is benefiting by this Pandemic that affects people world wide. I remember seeing the early films coming from Italy. AWFUL.

I agree and will add, it is not just up to the doctor or hospital to pick a cause, any cause of death. There are laws governing how to determine the cause of death and comorbidity. ANY doctor that draws outside the lines can be sued and lose the license to practice medicine that they spent half their life earning.

[Irishmen]

I think that is speculation and or exaggeration that people are counted as death by Covid when that is not the cause. I think it must be very hard to precisely place the reason for death, particularly for the elderly. They can die from the Covid-19 virus but it could be labeled pneumonia. Both would be correct.

I choose to trust the CDC. I choose to think that Dr. Fauci is continuing to do his job and although very good at it, he can only report data reported to HIM.

It must be very difficult to get data that is completely reliable.

I refuse to believe that anyone is benefiting by this Pandemic that affects people world wide. I remember seeing the early films coming from Italy. AWFUL.

Do you know of the Fauci patents regarding Covid and jabs? How about Gates patents? Why did Soros and Gates recently buy a Covid testing company? 9 billionaire created from profits just from jabs not including those who profited from small business being shut down for a virus that has 99% survival rate. Plenty of people benefiting....

[GrumpyOldMan]

Hepatitis C is transmitted through bodily fluids.

Hepatitis A is the fecal/food-borne virus.

The two are distinctly different.

Actually, they are very similar.

Both are viruses.
Both are extremely contagious.

One has laws governing behavior in the workplace, and a social norm (washing hands) has become "the norm".

In one case people mostly follow the recommended prevention methods and the virus is limited to about 30,000 deaths per year.

The other one many DONT follow the recommended prevention methods (by god I got rights!) and about 600,000 died last year.

[Timothyimitchell]

Do you know of the Fauci patents regarding Covid and jabs? How about Gates patents? Why did Soros and Gates recently buy a Covid testing company? 9 billionaire created from profits just from jabs not including those who profited from small business being shut down for a virus that has 99% survival rate. Plenty of people benefiting....

Bingo

[GrumpyOldMan]

I'm glad that more and more information is becoming available, BUT it seems that only particular information is released that suits the aim or goal of those broadcasting it. For instance, information regarding the widespread of the Delta variant and infection rate is hysterically pushed upon us and the possible need for mandating mask wearing, after they told us that if we had the vaccination we would no longer need to wear the mask and that the vaccination would also protect us from Delta. OK, so people make mistakes. I get it. However, the teachers refused to teach our children until they were placed at the front of the vaccination line with the first responders. That done, they now say that they will not return to class until the children are vaccinated. Good call, considering the fact that children are not being vaccinated yet.
Yes, I want to hear the latest information as it is released, BUT please give us the truth whether good or bad, not just politically motivated.
Why is it that they tell us about the great spurt in Covid infections due to the Delta variant, BUT do not tell us about how low the death rate has become? Sounds to me that this is information that EVERYONE should know so that they can have a positive outlook on the situation and the future. Sure, some folks are still dying, but folks are still dying from the flu, rabies, snake bites, etc. Good news should be given out just as fast as bad news.
Does anyone have a link to a spurt of deaths in the past few months? I've been looking, but I only see graphs that are dropping. Seems to me that either the vaccination is working, or the virus is fading/weakening. Either way, I think that is good news. Of course, there are always the gloom and doom mongers that insist that one death in a million is too many, and that they know someone that just died or someone that is seriously ill and hospitalized. Sorry, but no one lives forever. No one gets out of this life, alive and old folks generally die faster than younger folks.
Give us up to date stats on how many are currently dying from Covid in the U.S. of A. I am not concerned with India, S.America or Africa. I do not plan to travel there again.
Just the facts, ma'am. Just the facts.

I agree, but as the CDC recently ( in the past couple of days) pointed out, it is very hard to provide accurate information in today's changing environment. The CDC for example can only provide what they are given, and many states have cut back on testing. So, is the decline on the charts you are seeing a result of a decline in testing, decline in reporting, or decline in infections?

In the case of the CDC, they are being pummeled with false claims and fighting misinformation constantly, and have to be very careful what they say because it will be instantly distorted beyond all recognition. So, they have to go slow. And they have to include disclaimers and cautions on any data they give out right now.

And heaven forbid a new variant (Delta?) comes alone, changes everything, and they have to somehow report those changes - while governors are shutting down testing, denying DELTA even exist, and under-reporting infections and deaths, so their "policies" look good to their base "See, I did good and the virus is under control". How many times have we heard that one in the last 18 months? Or it will magically disappear by April - and it didn't so, it has to be CDC that is lying...

[sail33or]

99% of Posters do not have a clue of what was injected into your arm.

You just trusted and obeyed.

It could be good it could be horrible.

It was a synthetic engineered substance (not natural) that causes your natural defense system to recognize Covid 19. Many scientist have stated that all those who took the shot NOW have no ability to ever fight off a different type of virus. Just saying you do not know what they put in your body but you, of course, now it all.

[Escape Artist]

I agree, but as the CDC recently ( in the past couple of days) pointed out, it is very hard to provide accurate information in today's changing environment. The CDC for example can only provide what they are given, and many states have cut back on testing. So, is the decline on the charts you are seeing a result of a decline in testing, decline in reporting, or decline in infections?

In the case of the CDC, they are being pummeled with false claims and fighting misinformation constantly, and have to be very careful what they say because it will be instantly distorted beyond all recognition. So, they have to go slow. And they have to include disclaimers and cautions on any data they give out right now.

And heaven forbid a new variant (Delta?) comes alone, changes everything, and they have to somehow report those changes - while governors are shutting down testing, denying DELTA even exist, and under-reporting infections and deaths, so their "policies" look good to their base "See, I did good and the virus is under control". How many times have we heard that one in the last 18 months? Or it will magically disappear by April - and it didn't so, it has to be CDC that is lying...

Why does the CDC/govt. entities keep pushing the vaccine and admonishing those who don't get it if you can contract and spread the Delta variant anyway? Isn't that what this is all about - the need for a booster because the original COVID-19 vaccines are ineffective against variants?

[Timothyimitchell]

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Everybody should understand there is not even a test for the so called variant.

[GrumpyOldMan]

I had my check up and my doctor asked me if I wanted the flu shot. I replied that I did not and he said OK. :popcorn:

In my opinion, you do not have a very good doctor. My doctor asked me why and then we had an in-depth discussion of why I should. I normally don't say no to my doctor when she makes a recommendation.

[GrumpyOldMan]

99% of Posters do not have a clue of what was injected into your arm.

You just trusted and obeyed.

It could be good it could be horrible.

It was a synthetic engineered substance (not natural) that causes your natural defense system to recognize Covid 19. Many scientist have stated that all those who took the shot NOW have no ability to ever fight off a different type of virus. Just saying you do not know what they put in your body but you, of course, now it all.


I know, I heard on FB just the other day of a person that got the jab and within hours began changing into a shapeshifting alien from the planet Zerus - they are invading and taking over our world and we are just behaving like sheep and letting them.

Why is the government not telling us about this side effect!

[GrumpyOldMan]

Why does the CDC/govt. entities keep pushing the vaccine and admonishing those who don't get it if you can contract and spread the Delta variant anyway? Isn't that what this is all about - the need for a booster because the original COVID-19 vaccines are ineffective against variants?

Are you serious? I mean seriously, they have answered this question numerous times.

The reason, assuming you are serious, is that vaccination, social distancing and mask-wearing are the 3 best methods available to reduce the spread of the virus.

NONE of them are perfect.

The mutating virus is a moving target and they constantly have to update recommendations as conditions and mutations occur.

And they have to do all this while struggling to get actual real data from states that do not report accurate data - some have even stopped testing, so there is no reliable data on infection rates, only on death and hospital admissions of people that have symptoms. The CDC itself says these numbers they are getting are no doubt seriously underreporting the actual number of infections. Without that number all the other numbers are questionable. And, just to inject a little politics, which states are underreporting, and bragging about it - well, Florida for one.

Scientists are doing the best they can do. The virus is new, never seen before, hard to predict, but just as serious, we have not had this much misinformation being spread ever - and they have to fight that also.

[Byte1]

The main reason if that what you said is not true. But, thank you for playing, and try again.

Hmm, I am not positive but didn't they recently admit that the test that they just discontinued was also showing the flu as a positive for Covid on that test? Perhaps that is what that poster was referring to?

Although, just about ANY excuse is good enough for some folks NOT to get the vaccination. My excuse FOR getting the Covid vaccination is my spouses health. She means more to me than anyone that I do not know. I didn't do it for my neighbors, fellow shoppers or anyone else I might pass in the streets.
I have not received the flu shot because I have never had the flu and I have been around a lot of folks that have had the flu over the years. Maybe that is not a good enough excuse, but I admit to my reasoning. My spouse is the same way, even though her health condition is much poorer than most folks.

Folks have the right to die if they wish. No one can blame them for anyone else's death or sickness due to their infection UNLESS they knew they were infected. It is their choice if they wish to be reckless and/or ignorant regarding the vaccination. Some folks own and ride a motorcycles, which is deemed very dangerous by many folks. They know it is dangerous, but they still enjoy the ride. I am not comparing it with a contagious disease, just a mind set.

I have my shots so I am not worried about anyone else getting it, IF they do not want the shot. They are no danger to me and I am not a danger to them.

Time for mass hysteria to run it's course and for folks to settle down. Yes, I have lost two relatives supposedly to Covid. I have also about 12 that have survived Covid with hardly a break in their activities. Life goes on.

[Buckeye Bleau]

Does anyone find it peculiar or even curious that they are diagnosing the “Delta Variant” when there is not even a test for it?
Hmm, curious minds want to know.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Does anyone find it peculiar or even curious that they are diagnosing the “Delta Variant” when there is not even a test for it?
Hmm, curious minds want to know.

Proof?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Hmm, I am not positive but didn't they recently admit that the test that they just discontinued was also showing the flu as a positive for Covid on that test? Perhaps that is what that poster was referring to?

Although, just about ANY excuse is good enough for some folks NOT to get the vaccination. My excuse FOR getting the Covid vaccination is my spouses health. She means more to me than anyone that I do not know. I didn't do it for my neighbors, fellow shoppers or anyone else I might pass in the streets.
I have not received the flu shot because I have never had the flu and I have been around a lot of folks that have had the flu over the years. Maybe that is not a good enough excuse, but I admit to my reasoning. My spouse is the same way, even though her health condition is much poorer than most folks.

Folks have the right to die if they wish. No one can blame them for anyone else's death or sickness due to their infection UNLESS they knew they were infected. It is their choice if they wish to be reckless and/or ignorant regarding the vaccination. Some folks own and ride a motorcycles, which is deemed very dangerous by many folks. They know it is dangerous, but they still enjoy the ride. I am not comparing it with a contagious disease, just a mind set.

I have my shots so I am not worried about anyone else getting it, IF they do not want the shot. They are no danger to me and I am not a danger to them.

Time for mass hysteria to run it's course and for folks to settle down. Yes, I have lost two relatives supposedly to Covid. I have also about 12 that have survived Covid with hardly a break in their activities. Life goes on.

I don't recall what post I was responding to, so I will go with your answer. Thank you.

For the rest of your post.

My wife and I are both double-jabbed and were early on at the recommendation of our PCP's at the VA.

I had two reasons for wanting it -
1. I am a candidate to die if I get it, I check all the right boxes.
2. Unlike many here, I DO believe I am my brother's keeper. I am also my grandkid's keeper and my wife's keeper. I will do whatever my PCP recommends is best. And at the time there was no doubt me getting the jab would help reduce the spread of the virus.

That said, the new Delta variant has me worried. Most of the same reasons for getting the jab still apply. People conflating viral load with contagiousness are making mistakes. My concern is there is growing evidence that the Delta may defeat the vaccine when it comes to stopping the spread. If so, we will need another vaccine. But, if that is the case, the current vaccination definitely still reduces death rates, and even with break through it still provides excellent protection.

Nothing is perfect, the scientists are doing the best they can do. It is sad to me that American's have become so self serviing.

[kendi]

CDC has announced that it will be presenting more information on the Delta variant and more details on the recent findings that more people who are fully vaccinated are getting infected by the Delta variant than originally thought.

However, at this point, they are still not saying those vaccinated that get the Delta are at risk of dying. We will see more tomorrow.

This is known as science - as more is know things change, recommendations change, and projections change.

Hopefully they will have good news, or at least more knowns than unknowns, but we will see what they say tomorrow.

abcnews: cdc-mask decision and findings at Cape Cod Beach (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cdc-mask-decision-stunning-findings-cape-cod-beach/story?id=79148102)

Yes, so we know that what ever they say will soon change.

[John41]

I agree, but as the CDC recently ( in the past couple of days) pointed out,

And heaven forbid a new variant (Delta?) comes alone, changes everything, and they have to somehow report those changes - while governors are shutting down testing, denying DELTA even exist, and under-reporting infections and deaths, so their "policies" look good to their base "See, I did good and the virus is under control". How many times have we heard that one in the last 18 months? Or it will magically disappear by April - and it didn't so, it has to be CDC that is lying...

And those who DENY illegal immigrants are seeding the DELTA virus throughout the US because of THEIR politics.

[kendi]

I don't recall what post I was responding to, so I will go with your answer. Thank you.

For the rest of your post.

My wife and I are both double-jabbed and were early on at the recommendation of our PCP's at the VA.

I had two reasons for wanting it -
1. I am a candidate to die if I get it, I check all the right boxes.
2. Unlike many here, I DO believe I am my brother's keeper. I am also my grandkid's keeper and my wife's keeper. I will do whatever my PCP recommends is best. And at the time there was no doubt me getting the jab would help reduce the spread of the virus.

That said, the new Delta variant has me worried. Most of the same reasons for getting the jab still apply. People conflating viral load with contagiousness are making mistakes. My concern is there is growing evidence that the Delta may defeat the vaccine when it comes to stopping the spread. If so, we will need another vaccine. But, if that is the case, the current vaccination definitely still reduces death rates, and even with break through it still provides excellent protection.

Nothing is perfect, the scientists are doing the best they can do. It is sad to me that American's have become so self serviing.

I read the delta variant while being more contagious is less severe. And that as the virus mutates it will continue to lessen in severity which is typical as a virus goes. Is this true? I don’t know but if it helps to ease your mind it’s worth checking out.

[golfing eagles]

Hepatitis C is transmitted through bodily fluids.

Hepatitis A is the fecal/food-borne virus.

The two are distinctly different.

Gee whiz---I wish I had said that. Oh, wait, I did---post #88

[Altavia]

Does anyone find it peculiar or even curious that they are diagnosing the “Delta Variant” when there is not even a test for it?
Hmm, curious minds want to know.

Viral mutations and variants in the are routinely monitored through sequence-based surveillance, laboratory studies, and epidemiological investigations.

[golfing eagles]

I agree and will add, it is not just up to the doctor or hospital to pick a cause, any cause of death. There are laws governing how to determine the cause of death and comorbidity. ANY doctor that draws outside the lines can be sued and lose the license to practice medicine that they spent half their life earning.

Well, yeah, EXCEPT it IS up to the doctor to choose a cause of death, there is no law governing determination of cause or comorbidity, you cannot be sued (well, yes you can be sued for anything these days, but the case would have no merit and no damages), and you cannot lose your license for it. And I've signed hundreds of them, so want to rethink that post?????

[jimjamuser]

The CDC is not in charge of this country and certainly not in charge of my life. There will be no mask ever for me and hopefully other Americans that are tired of government trying to control us.
A Democratic country like the US or (say Canada) does NOT want to CONTROL its people - it wants to PROTECT them. All of us LIKE the protection of pure, unpoisoned foods and drink. The individual IS NOT a King who can have someone taste his and his queen's food and drink. The individual needs Federal regulation to put seat belts in every car. Most people today do not object to the car manufacturers supplying seat belts with the vehicles. if I gave 10,000 more examples - then the sum total of those would be the security blanket of PROTECTION given to us by the Government. So, basically, the CDC is something that we ALL REALLY want if we are honest with ourselves! The CDC and other Government Offices post new information like "new Delta evidence" for our information, benefit, and ultimately, PROTECTION.

[Altavia]

So many unknown unknowns...

" All those people who say they know, they actually don’t know. Many of them don’t know, and especially those who say that they know, don’t know, because those who do know say that they don’t know. "

[GrumpyOldMan]

And those who DENY illegal immigrants are seeding the DELTA virus throughout the US because of THEIR politics.

Lets see, "those who deny" and "because of THEIR politics".

Not to prejudicial is it. You have decided that it is denied, and why.

I completely agree that people coming into the country should be tested and vaccinated. I disagree that it is a "big deal". Until you can show proof that it is impacting the number of infections or the number of deaths, I will worry more about things we can do something about - today.

But, If you can find the data, I am certainly open to reading it, until then it is nothing more than supposition by you as far as I can tell.

[golfing eagles]

Actually, they are very similar.

Both are viruses.
Both are extremely contagious.

One has laws governing behavior in the workplace, and a social norm (washing hands) has become "the norm".

In one case people mostly follow the recommended prevention methods and the virus is limited to about 30,000 deaths per year.

The other one many DONT follow the recommended prevention methods (by god I got rights!) and about 600,000 died last year.

Actually, Hepatitis is not EXTREMELY contagious and the method of transmission is quite different from COVID.

Yes, they are both viruses, just like an amoeba and an elephant are both animals

[golfing eagles]

99% of Posters do not have a clue of what was injected into your arm.

You just trusted and obeyed.

It could be good it could be horrible.

It was a synthetic engineered substance (not natural) that causes your natural defense system to recognize Covid 19. Many scientist have stated that all those who took the shot NOW have no ability to ever fight off a different type of virus. Just saying you do not know what they put in your body but you, of course, now it all.

Really? Care to provide some of those names or a legitimate reference (not a conspiracy theory website) that states that?

[golfing eagles]

In my opinion, you do not have a very good doctor. My doctor asked me why and then we had an in-depth discussion of why I should. I normally don't say no to my doctor when she makes a recommendation.

Finally, we agree on something:a040:

[GrumpyOldMan]

Well, yeah, EXCEPT it IS up to the doctor to choose a cause of death, there is no law governing determination of cause or comorbidity, you cannot be sued (well, yes you can be sued for anything these days, but the case would have no merit and no damages), and you cannot lose your license for it. And I've signed hundreds of them, so want to rethink that post?????

Actually there is a very detail set of instructions on how it is done. And yes, a surviving spouse can sue. Nice thing about the US anyone can sue for anything. And if it can be shown that the doctor falsified the cause of death, they will loose their license at the least. If it can be proven (as so many say here) that the reason for the lie was to profit them or the hospital, then it just escalated to a federal offense of defrauding the government which is a felony.

And yet, despite that, every day we hear claims that the deaths are intentionally misdiagnosed in-order to get federal monies - and yet, not one single case has been taken to court. Hmmm.... Not to be too political, but that seems to be a trend with one of the parties today. Lots of finger pointing, no (or very limited) wins in cost.

[Escape Artist]

Are you serious? I mean seriously, they have answered this question numerous times.

The reason, assuming you are serious, is that vaccination, social distancing and mask-wearing are the 3 best methods available to reduce the spread of the virus.

NONE of them are perfect.

The mutating virus is a moving target and they constantly have to update recommendations as conditions and mutations occur.

And they have to do all this while struggling to get actual real data from states that do not report accurate data - some have even stopped testing, so there is no reliable data on infection rates, only on death and hospital admissions of people that have symptoms. The CDC itself says these numbers they are getting are no doubt seriously underreporting the actual number of infections. Without that number all the other numbers are questionable. And, just to inject a little politics, which states are underreporting, and bragging about it - well, Florida for one.

Scientists are doing the best they can do. The virus is new, never seen before, hard to predict, but just as serious, we have not had this much misinformation being spread ever - and they have to fight that also.

Yes, I'm totally serious. What's the point of getting one of the three available vaccines if there are constant mutations and variants? There's no incentive if you can still get COVID. Isn't that the endgame - not to get it in the first place? But now there are reports that those fully vaccinated have gotten it to varying degrees of seriousness. Those unvaccinated will shrug their shoulders and say "forget it, why bother?" It reinforces the fear, skepticism and distrust.

Also, we were all masked, locked down, etc. before the vaccine was readily available in order to slow the spread and protect the vulnerable and those at risk of serious complications. But now the vaccine is available to all so why are we going backwards? If some choose not be vaccinated, that's their funeral, perhaps literally. Why should we suffer and be inconvenienced and our children/grandchildren because some have chosen not to get the vaccine? That's a risk they are willing to take and they have to accept the consequences but don't make ME pay the price!

[chriskean82]

I don’t believe anything anyone says anymore. Everyone and everything has an agenda. I make decisions for myself. This way I can only blame myself.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Actually, Hepatitis is not EXTREMELY contagious and the method of transmission is quite different from COVID.

Yes, they are both viruses, just like an amoeba and an elephant are both animals

Well, sort of:

"Infectious causes of hepatitis usually are, but not always, contagious. For example, hepatitis caused by viruses usually is contagious, although many types of hepatitis are transferred mainly from person to person by blood-to-blood transfer, for example, individual sharing needles, acupuncture, sexual contact, and organ transplantation."

And my point was that the number of potential deaths are significantly reduced by laws and social norms put in place to contain it. (mostly hand washing)

There are obviously a lot of "other" types of Hep and different spreading vectors.

But, then have you ever tried a metaphor and found it was not a perfect fit, but sort of demonstrated the point?

My point was social norms (masks, distancing, hand washing) will reduce the spread of COVID, and vaccinations will reduce the deaths from COVID.

[golfing eagles]

Actually there is a very detail set of instructions on how it is done. And yes, a surviving spouse can sue. Nice thing about the US anyone can sue for anything. And if it can be shown that the doctor falsified the cause of death, they will loose their license at the least. If it can be proven (as so many say here) that the reason for the lie was to profit them or the hospital, then it just escalated to a federal offense of defrauding the government which is a felony.

And yet, despite that, every day we hear claims that the deaths are intentionally misdiagnosed in-order to get federal monies - and yet, not one single case has been taken to court. Hmmm.... Not to be too political, but that seems to be a trend with one of the parties today. Lots of finger pointing, no (or very limited) wins in cost.

Love to see that "very detailed set of instructions" on how it was done. Because in 35 years of medical practice I never even heard of such a thing.

Now, you moved into intentionally falsifying a COD, of course that would have consequences but I've never heard of a case of that either (except on 1 episode of M*A*S*H*)

Then you alluded to listing COVID as a COD to get extra federal funds, not saying it doesn't happen, but it probably is such a gray zone it would never get caught

[GrumpyOldMan]

Finally, we agree on something:a040:

Hey, this is the second time, we are on a roll here... :)

[golfing eagles]

Well, sort of:

"Infectious causes of hepatitis usually are, but not always, contagious. For example, hepatitis caused by viruses usually is contagious, although many types of hepatitis are transferred mainly from person to person by blood-to-blood transfer, for example, individual sharing needles, acupuncture, sexual contact, and organ transplantation."

And my point was that the number of potential deaths are significantly reduced by laws and social norms put in place to contain it. (mostly hand washing)

There are obviously a lot of "other" types of Hep and different spreading vectors.

But, then have you ever tried a metaphor and found it was not a perfect fit, but sort of demonstrated the point?

My point was social norms (masks, distancing, hand washing) will reduce the spread of COVID, and vaccinations will reduce the deaths from COVID.

OMG---now we agree on something else! This is getting frightening:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Moderator]

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