Florida breaks record with more than 21,000 new COVID cases

[Boffin]

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Florida reported 21,683 new cases of COVID-19, the state’s highest one-day total since the start of the pandemic, according to federal health data released Saturday, as its theme park resorts again started asking visitors to wear masks indoors.

The state has become the new national epicenter for the virus, accounting for around a fifth of all new cases in the U.S. as the highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus continues to spread.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has blamed the surge on a seasonal increase — more Floridians are indoors because of the hot weather with air conditioning circulating the virus. About 60% of Floridians 12 and older are vaccinated, ranking it about midway among the states.

[GrumpyOldMan]

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Florida reported 21,683 new cases of COVID-19, the state’s highest one-day total since the start of the pandemic, according to federal health data released Saturday, as its theme park resorts again started asking visitors to wear masks indoors.

The state has become the new national epicenter for the virus, accounting for around a fifth of all new cases in the U.S. as the highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus continues to spread.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has blamed the surge on a seasonal increase — more Floridians are indoors because of the hot weather with air conditioning circulating the virus. About 60% of Floridians 12 and older are vaccinated, ranking it about midway among the states.

Well, I think the Governor is wrong. I think the scientists are right. I think we are at the beginning of a major surge of a new variant that is much more contagious than the variant we went through for the past 18 months. To me, that makes much more sense.

But, whatever, hopefully, the significant surge will motivate some that maybe they should get vaccinated and stop with all the excuses.

[Stu from NYC]

Would be interested to know how many of these new cases came from folks who have been vaccinated.

[graciegirl]

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Florida reported 21,683 new cases of COVID-19, the state’s highest one-day total since the start of the pandemic, according to federal health data released Saturday, as its theme park resorts again started asking visitors to wear masks indoors.

The state has become the new national epicenter for the virus, accounting for around a fifth of all new cases in the U.S. as the highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus continues to spread.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has blamed the surge on a seasonal increase — more Floridians are indoors because of the hot weather with air conditioning circulating the virus. About 60% of Floridians 12 and older are vaccinated, ranking it about midway among the states.

It is very overwhelming to read these figures and to see the hospitals filling up with people. I hope that everyone who isn't vaccinated will reconsider. I hope those who are sick recover and are immune then.

I think that Governor Desantis has been as fair as a person can be in his position. He needs to consider all things. It appears that the most endangered are in fact the most vaccinated in this state; the elderly are highly vaccinated at about 70% or better and they are the most at risk. Have not read any figures on recent deaths from Covid or the new Delta Variant. It does seem likely that a state that is deluged with guests and whose main industry is tourism is going to get a lot of germs that are not wanted.

I have decided to stop going to the rec center for a few days at least to try to figure out whether it is safe. I know someone who became sick with Covid after two group members at a rec center became sick and had test.

I am hoping that what we will see that the vaccinated are not getting TOO sick.

It is hard to hear and see the truth with so many clamoring voices.

[GrumpyOldMan]

It is very overwhelming to read these figures and to see the hospitals filling up with people. I hope that everyone who isn't vaccinated will reconsider. I hope those who are sick recover and are immune then.

I think that Governor Desantis has been as fair as a person can be in his position. He needs to consider all things. It appears that the most endangered are in fact the most vaccinated in this state; the elderly are highly vaccinated at about 70% or better and they are the most at risk. Have not read any figures on recent deaths from Covid or the new Delta Variant. It does seem likely that a state that is deluged with guests and whose main industry is tourism is going to get a lot of germs that are not wanted.

I have decided to stop going to the rec center for a few days at least to try to figure out whether it is safe. I know someone who became sick with Covid after two group members at a rec center became sick and had test.

I am hoping that what we will see that the vaccinated are not getting TOO sick.

It is hard to hear and see the truth with so many clamoring voices.


Yes, agreed. What I have read seems to indicate that the vaccine is less effective against the DELTA variant, but how much less is still too early to know, because of the lack of data.

I don't disagree about the Governor. I don't always agree with his decisions, and I wish he would separate his political, economic, and medical recommendations more clearly.

And I wish he would put in place a science-based randomized testing program that scientists could use to do statistical analysis. Instead of heavily weighted testing that makes it harder to understand what the numbers bean.

[jimjamuser]

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Florida reported 21,683 new cases of COVID-19, the state’s highest one-day total since the start of the pandemic, according to federal health data released Saturday, as its theme park resorts again started asking visitors to wear masks indoors.

The state has become the new national epicenter for the virus, accounting for around a fifth of all new cases in the U.S. as the highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus continues to spread.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has blamed the surge on a seasonal increase — more Floridians are indoors because of the hot weather with air conditioning circulating the virus. About 60% of Floridians 12 and older are vaccinated, ranking it about midway among the states.
More Floridians indoors in summer is the cause of 21,000 cases (a record)?????? Does that meet the definition of rationalization?

[fishon]

Woo hoo!
We’re number one!
We’re number one!

[jimjamuser]

Well, I think the Governor is wrong. I think the scientists are right. I think we are at the beginning of a major surge of a new variant that is much more contagious than the variant we went through for the past 18 months. To me, that makes much more sense.

But, whatever, hopefully, the significant surge will motivate some that maybe they should get vaccinated and stop with all the excuses.
Exactly! Fear is a prime motivator and in this case, will force more people to do the right thing and also help others in so doing.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The governor has mandated that schools are not ALLOWED to require staff or students to wear masks. Elementary schools are primarily children under the age of 12 - which means they *cannot* be vaccinated.

So not only are you sticking a bunch of unvaccinated kids into a closed air-controlled environment, you're also telling them that they don't have to wear masks.

Kids already have plenty to make fun of each other about - some kids can be incredibly cruel, on a good day. Now you're pitting the masked and the unmasked against each other?

This is a recipe for disaster.

[jimjamuser]

Would be interested to know how many of these new cases came from folks who have been vaccinated.
Are we supposed to BLAME the vaccinated for the problems caused by the UNvaccinated? I can't see that logic.

[jimjamuser]

It is very overwhelming to read these figures and to see the hospitals filling up with people. I hope that everyone who isn't vaccinated will reconsider. I hope those who are sick recover and are immune then.

I think that Governor Desantis has been as fair as a person can be in his position. He needs to consider all things. It appears that the most endangered are in fact the most vaccinated in this state; the elderly are highly vaccinated at about 70% or better and they are the most at risk. Have not read any figures on recent deaths from Covid or the new Delta Variant. It does seem likely that a state that is deluged with guests and whose main industry is tourism is going to get a lot of germs that are not wanted.

I have decided to stop going to the rec center for a few days at least to try to figure out whether it is safe. I know someone who became sick with Covid after two group members at a rec center became sick and had test.

I am hoping that what we will see that the vaccinated are not getting TOO sick.

It is hard to hear and see the truth with so many clamoring voices.
Most vaccinated are having only MILD symptoms IF they get CV. Most do NOT. Several Doctors on TV have stated today that hospitalizations and DEATHS are INCREASING nationwide and in Florida. And more YOUNGER people are getting Delta.

[Escape Artist]

Firstly, at the start of the pandemic testing wasn't as organized or reliable as it is now. If you recall, it was spotty in many cities and states and results were slow with a lot of false positives. Secondly, Florida gets tons of tourists every day even in the summer. It could be driven by those visiting from out of state or from other countries. Thirdly, the re-opening of businesses, especially large ones, even if you have to wear a mask like at Disney World, effectiveness isn't 100% especially in crowds, people don't wear them correctly, they take them on and off to eat, etc.

[jimjamuser]

The governor has mandated that schools are not ALLOWED to require staff or students to wear masks. Elementary schools are primarily children under the age of 12 - which means they *cannot* be vaccinated.

So not only are you sticking a bunch of unvaccinated kids into a closed air-controlled environment, you're also telling them that they don't have to wear masks.

Kids already have plenty to make fun of each other about - some kids can be incredibly cruel, on a good day. Now you're pitting the masked and the unmasked against each other?

This is a recipe for disaster.
Agreed about the potential for bullying and fights over who is masked up. The children will likely reflect the attitudes of their parents. So, in Florida, the maskless will probably be in greater numbers. The teachers will be faced with 3 nightmare situations........1) Keeping the children from fighting........2) Some will worry that even if they are vaccinated, the Delta variant might make a jump from unvaccinated to vaccinated in the near future - since much is still changing and unknown about CV........3) Many teachers will worry about if the school Administration is on their side.

I wonder if any school system in Florida has spent any MONEY on plexiglass desk shields or on school air depressurizing systems? I have not heard anything about this. However, I would guess that Floridians would NOT want their property taxes to go up just to help the next generation succeed.

[GrumpyOldMan]

I have not heard anything about this. However, I would guess that Floridians would NOT want their property taxes to go up just to help the next generation succeed.

Sadly it is even worse than that, I have heard many say how they didn't think they should have to pay taxes to run schools because they don't have any kids. yeah, right.

[Escape Artist]

Sadly it is even worse than that, I have heard many say how they didn't think they should have to pay taxes to run schools because they don't have any kids. yeah, right.

California, for all that's wrong with it, still has low property taxes, and large senior communities like Del Webb Sun City, are often exempt from paying for new school bonds. Local lawmakers just cut them out of the equation rather than arguing with them over tax increases and worrying they'll stop a bond measure from being passed at the ballot box.

[ROCKMUP]

Sadly it is even worse than that, I have heard many say how they didn't think they should have to pay taxes to run schools because they don't have any kids. yeah, right.

They aren't wrong. Just because you can breed doesn't mean you should, even the most base creature can do it and it shows.

[rustyp]

Are the Rec Centers requiring masks again ?

[toniandjosef@aol.com]

They aren't wrong. Just because you can breed doesn't mean you should, even the most base creature can do it and it shows.
Yeah we have a licensing requirements for everything except parenting. Do you have to get a license to get married but not having a child?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Sadly it is even worse than that, I have heard many say how they didn't think they should have to pay taxes to run schools because they don't have any kids. yeah, right.

I use that line whenever someone says they shouldn't have to pay taxes for [insert whatever they don't approve of because it doesn't fit their agenda].

I don't have kids, why should I have to pay taxes for schools?

(the correct answer to that challenge question is: because some day one of those kids will become YOUR president. You have a choice NOW in ensuring that that kid gets the best education your tax dollars can buy.)

[GrumpyOldMan]

They aren't wrong. Just because you can breed doesn't mean you should, even the most base creature can do it and it shows.

I completely agree with you, but whether you personally have kids or not doesn't matter. Education is a minor expense that pays back big time. It is in everyone's best interest to educate all the children.

Sadly, our school system is broken like so many things that used to work.

[GrumpyOldMan]

I use that line whenever someone says they shouldn't have to pay taxes for [insert whatever they don't approve of because it doesn't fit their agenda].

I don't have kids, why should I have to pay taxes for schools?

(the correct answer to that challenge question is: because some day one of those kids will become YOUR president. You have a choice NOW in ensuring that that kid gets the best education your tax dollars can buy.)

That is one possibility but studies show education directly relates to odds of becoming a crimminal, lifetime earning potential which relates to payback in taxes, and so much more.

[John41]

I completely agree with you, but whether you personally have kids or not doesn't matter. Education is a minor expense that pays back big time. It is in everyone's best interest to educate all the children.

Sadly, our school system is broken like so many things that used to work.

Agree completely with you on education. Even if someone doesn’t have children someone else’s child might grow up to be a scientist who develops a drug that helps everyone live a healthier life. Also agree education system is broken and the US is way behind the world.

[ROCKMUP]

I completely agree with you, but whether you personally have kids or not doesn't matter. Education is a minor expense that pays back big time. It is in everyone's best interest to educate all the children.

Sadly, our school system is broken like so many things that used to work.

Understood.
It becomes a deep deep well about how broken it is and what to do.
I'd be fine with it if they were accountable for the money they already have. Until that time people will always fight it.

[B-flat]

My opinion here, they are using the "fear factor" to a degree. Let's just keep the southern border open and let everyone in who could spread the virus, then put them on airplanes and bus them to different cities and states. No one can tell me that is not playing into this equation.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

My opinion here, they are using the "fear factor" to a degree. Let's just keeping the southern border open and let everyone in who could spread the virus, then put them on airplanes and bus them to different cities and states. No one can tell me that is not playing into this equation.

Yes that's "fear factor" being spread by propagandists with an anti-immigrant agenda. They want you to be terrified that immigrants will make you die, and take your jobs, and rape your women.

It's so much easier for them, than it is for them to admit that Americans, in general, have failed to protect our own and are spreading the virus just fine by ourselves without the help of the current batches of border-hoppers.

[thevillages2013]

Are the Rec Centers requiring masks again ?

Not yet. No signs requiring or requesting masks

[nick demis]

Well, I think the Governor is wrong. I think the scientists are right. I think we are at the beginning of a major surge of a new variant that is much more contagious than the variant we went through for the past 18 months. To me, that makes much more sense.

But, whatever, hopefully, the significant surge will motivate some that maybe they should get vaccinated and stop with all the excuses.

Oh yes.
The new variant is almost as contagious as...... wait for it...... THE COMMON COLD.
About as contagious as .......wait for it...... MASS HYSTERIA

The only thing I agree with you is that more need to get vaccinated.

[Love2Swim]

There are approximately 10-11 Million Florida residents who have NOT been vaccinated. You can say tourists or staying indoors excaberates the problem, but the fact is, if these millions of residents got vaccinated, we wouldn't be "number one".

[collegeref]

Yes it would

[nick demis]

Yes that's "fear factor" being spread by propagandists with an anti-immigrant agenda. They want you to be terrified that immigrants will make you die, and take your jobs, and rape your women.

It's so much easier for them, than it is for them to admit that Americans, in general, have failed to protect our own and are spreading the virus just fine by ourselves without the help of the current batches of border-hoppers.

Talk about a propogandists. More people should learn the FACTS before speaking. PS It's anti ILLEGAL immigration.

[agjaret@aol.com]

Cloth masks are ineffective in preventing the transfer of virus just decoration. And filthy.

[jswirs]

What would really be interesting to know is how many of these cases were very mild, and how many were very serious.

[Bay Kid]

I wonder how many illegals the govern sent to Florida? We will never know, but....

[crash]

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Florida reported 21,683 new cases of COVID-19, the state’s highest one-day total since the start of the pandemic, according to federal health data released Saturday, as its theme park resorts again started asking visitors to wear masks indoors.

The state has become the new national epicenter for the virus, accounting for around a fifth of all new cases in the U.S. as the highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus continues to spread.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has blamed the surge on a seasonal increase — more Floridians are indoors because of the hot weather with air conditioning circulating the virus. About 60% of Floridians 12 and older are vaccinated, ranking it about midway among the states.

Yeah like don’t blame it on the delta variant that infects vaccinated people or the fact that now the vaccinated people can spread it or best of all the high number of people who won’t get vaccinated.

[Villages Kahuna]

We live near The Villages Regional Hospital. We can see and certainly hear the sirens and sound of EMS ambulances and helicopters. There have been almost no such sounds for several days. We can only assume that TVRH is not accepting any new ER patients. Yesterday’s news reported a 64% increase in COVID hospital admissions in Sumter County, over 150% in Jacksonville.

The Florida Hospital Association is projecting that there will be twice as many cases of COVID by Labor Day as the highest number experienced in the U.S. at the peak rate last January. A difference is that the new variant is attacking much younger people with far worse, even fatal results. 96% of current new patients are unvaccinated.

[Jimmay]

While the total of cases are extremely large we need to remember that Florida is the most inbound state for visitors and tourists from all the other states. These factors contribute to the total amounts being recorded so it is not just a Florida issue it is a nationwide issue that has made Florida look like the worst state.

[tsmall22204]

Good post

[coconutmama]

The governor has mandated that schools are not ALLOWED to require staff or students to wear masks. Elementary schools are primarily children under the age of 12 - which means they *cannot* be vaccinated.

So not only are you sticking a bunch of unvaccinated kids into a closed air-controlled environment, you're also telling them that they don't have to wear masks.

Kids already have plenty to make fun of each other about - some kids can be incredibly cruel, on a good day. Now you're pitting the masked and the unmasked against each other?

This is a recipe for disaster.

Totally agree.

[Ski Bum]

The governor has mandated that schools are not ALLOWED to require staff or students to wear masks. Elementary schools are primarily children under the age of 12 - which means they *cannot* be vaccinated.

So not only are you sticking a bunch of unvaccinated kids into a closed air-controlled environment, you're also telling them that they don't have to wear masks.

Kids already have plenty to make fun of each other about - some kids can be incredibly cruel, on a good day. Now you're pitting the masked and the unmasked against each other?

This is a recipe for disaster.

Less than 400 kids have died from COVID, and most of them had serious health issues. Meanwhile, thousands have killed themselves. Depression from isolation is more deadly than the virus.

[talonip]

What is the death rate. Several months ago the recovery rate was at 98.5% over all age groups. Stop scaring people. For the age groups 20and under it is well over 99%. If you are treated you can increase the numbers by almost 65%.

[OhioBuckeye]

I can see why the govt. wants everyone to get the Covid shot because if one person has it, just like now it’s going to start up again! To many new people coming into the U.S. & haven’t been checked.

[petsetc]

So my question is - are the people (including governors, politicians and commentators) who are posting about Covid not being a big issue, that vaccination is a personal issue, and masks do nothing un-vaccinated or hypocrites?

[cheweycat]

Welcome to the reality of Covid-19 (21). Most of us learned from the protocols how to protect ourselves. Others resisted all the way Gov. DeSantis). The reality is the latter are at very serious risk now and should get vaccinated. Will they? It would help there fellow man. Wake up folks!

[Larchap49]

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Florida reported 21,683 new cases of COVID-19, the state’s highest one-day total since the start of the pandemic, according to federal health data released Saturday, as its theme park resorts again started asking visitors to wear masks indoors.

The state has become the new national epicenter for the virus, accounting for around a fifth of all new cases in the U.S. as the highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus continues to spread.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has blamed the surge on a seasonal increase — more Floridians are indoors because of the hot weather with air conditioning circulating the virus. About 60% of Floridians 12 and older are vaccinated, ranking it about midway among the states.

Being a glass is half full person, the bright side is that's 21000 more people immune with antibodies moving us closer to herd immunity

[Burgy]

No but you have to sadly realize that right now even if you have been vaccinated you can catch and spread the virus. It's just unlikely you will be very sick. So mask up and avoid crowds AGAIN. Hopefully short term.

[Irishmen]

No but you have to sadly realize that right now even if you have been vaccinated you can catch and spread the virus. It's just unlikely you will be very sick. So mask up and avoid crowds AGAIN. Hopefully short term.

equals the total new arrivals from the unprotected virus filled border crossings letting who knows what plague coming into your communities.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Today's news is Florida is #1 in cases! To think Florida is the only state having seasons this year!

[mike234]

florida is # 01 because the media wants it to be # 01. this is all politics

[Ritagoyer]

Everyone is talking about all the cases are they COVID 19 or the variant . Have they had their shots. News give stats on how many are testing positive and hospital numbers are up but no numbers anymore on how many people have died.
We are getting all the facts.

[Irishmen]

florida is # 01 because the media wants it to be # 01. this is all politics

plus 70% of all new virus infected arrivals list Florida as their destination. Plenty of video showing arrivals getting dropped off infected with the man made virus polluting our communities. Science!

[graciegirl]

Today's news is Florida is #1 in cases! To think Florida is the only state having seasons this year!

Florida is the third most populated State after California and Texas.

Florida has received a BOATLOAD of visitors beginning to travel since the tide seemed to turn about the Virus.

I do hope that more people are living through this new attack of the Variant which is FAR more contagious.

It appears that not as many people are dying now that we have the vaccine and many older people at greater risk got jabbed.

Hoping for some good news.

Ready for a booster if the people who are in charge of health that I respect suggest it.

[GrumpyOldMan]

florida is # 01 because the media wants it to be # 01. this is all politics

I agree the entire COVID thing is a fake news circus. Nobody really died, it's all a lie.

[argos5usa]

"cases"

[GrumpyOldMan]

Florida is the third most populated State after California and Texas.

Florida has received a BOATLOAD of visitors beginning to travel since the tide seemed to turn about the Virus.

I do hope that more people are living through this new attack of the Variant which is FAR more contagious.

It appears that not as many people are dying now that we have the vaccine and many older people at greater risk got jabbed.

Hoping for some good news.

Ready for a booster if the people who are in charge of health that I respect suggest it.


I agree with you. My point was sarcasm, but all the things you point out were true for the first 3 surges and we didn't make it to number one. Now we have made it, and powers are saying this is nothing special, just a seasonal situation. Denial will not solve anything.

Sorry, it annoys me that we can't have a political discussion.

[cj1040]

And what medical school did you attend and what degree did you earn?

[Moderator]

Again... Posters need to quote the post they're replying to. Several posts in here are head-scratchers. Some have been removed.

[haysus7]

Would be interested to know how many of these new cases came from folks who have been vaccinated.

People vaccinated can spread as easily as unvaccinated. Vaccinated people don't get hospitalized or die if they aren't health compromised

[coffeebean]

Again... Posters need to quote the post they're replying to. Several posts in here are head-scratchers. Some have been removed.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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[coffeebean]

People vaccinated can spread as easily as unvaccinated. Vaccinated people don't get hospitalized or die if they aren't health compromised

Are vaccinated people back at square one; meaning if they have co-morbidities they are in danger of severe disease and dying of this Delta variant? I didn't think it was quite THAT bad because most people that are hospitalized and dying are the un-vaccinated.

[rphil11ort]

You did noticethey didn't mention hospitalizations or who is getting it. What I have seen is 97% from people not vaccinated.




It is very overwhelming to read these figures and to see the hospitals filling up with people. I hope that everyone who isn't vaccinated will reconsider. I hope those who are sick recover and are immune then.

I think that Governor Desantis has been as fair as a person can be in his position. He needs to consider all things. It appears that the most endangered are in fact the most vaccinated in this state; the elderly are highly vaccinated at about 70% or better and they are the most at risk. Have not read any figures on recent deaths from Covid or the new Delta Variant. It does seem likely that a state that is deluged with guests and whose main industry is tourism is going to get a lot of germs that are not wanted.

I have decided to stop going to the rec center for a few days at least to try to figure out whether it is safe. I know someone who became sick with Covid after two group members at a rec center became sick and had test.

I am hoping that what we will see that the vaccinated are not getting TOO sick.

It is hard to hear and see the truth with so many clamoring voices.

[ThirdOfFive]

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Florida reported 21,683 new cases of COVID-19, the state’s highest one-day total since the start of the pandemic, according to federal health data released Saturday, as its theme park resorts again started asking visitors to wear masks indoors.

The state has become the new national epicenter for the virus, accounting for around a fifth of all new cases in the U.S. as the highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus continues to spread.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has blamed the surge on a seasonal increase — more Floridians are indoors because of the hot weather with air conditioning circulating the virus. About 60% of Floridians 12 and older are vaccinated, ranking it about midway among the states.
We're Number One! We're Number One!

[Waltdisney4life]

Sounds like the vaccine does not work so those who refused were right!!!

[Bill14564]

Sounds like the vaccine does not work so those who refused were right!!!

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[golfing eagles]

sounds like the vaccine does not work so those who refused were right!!!

wrong!!!!!

[golfing eagles]

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Florida reported 21,683 new cases of COVID-19, the state’s highest one-day total since the start of the pandemic, according to federal health data released

Of course, this begs the question of just what is considered a case.

Let's make this easier for the non-professionals:

Your kid gets a case of chicken pox. He has skin lesions, fever and a cough. You keep him home from school until all the lesions have crusted over. Period. Now, as for the other 30 kids in his 2nd grade class, we watch them for development of a case, meaning skin lesions, fever and cough. If they don't get it, fine.

What we do not do: We DO NOT test every kid in the class every day for Varicella antigen, and when a positive crops up call it "a case" and quarantine them.

Also, what we DO NOT do: Give the kids Varicella vaccination and then continue to test them for chicken pox

Everyone get it now???????

[jimjamuser]

They aren't wrong. Just because you can breed doesn't mean you should, even the most base creature can do it and it shows.
That is, sort of, harsh and shortsighted.

[jimjamuser]

Are the Rec Centers requiring masks again ?
Why even ask that question. Just do the RIGHT thing for yourself, your community, and humanity - lead, don't just follow! Being indoors answers that question for me!

[coffeebean]

Sounds like the vaccine does not work so those who refused were right!!!

The vaccine prevents severe disease, hospitalization and death. Seems to be working as far as I can see as reliable sources are reporting that most people in hospitals and dying of Covid are UN-vaccianted. Can you dispute that fact?

[jimjamuser]

Yeah we have a licensing requirements for everything except parenting. Do you have to get a license to get married but not having a child?
My opinion on parenting and tax law is that Federal and State tax law should give tax deductions for ONLY one or two children and NOT for more - possibly even a small penalty for 3 or more. This IS NOT because I do not like children, just that I feel that the US has overreached the optimum population based on its current residential space, technology, wealth, and natural resources. I know that I am the outlier on this so feel free to throw barbs and stones my way. Just let my idea enter your minds slightly, thank you!

[Dana1963]

It is very overwhelming to read these figures and to see the hospitals filling up with people. I hope that everyone who isn't vaccinated will reconsider. I hope those who are sick recover and are immune then.

I think that Governor Desantis has been as fair as a person can be in his position. He needs to consider all things. It appears that the most endangered are in fact the most vaccinated in this state; the elderly are highly vaccinated at about 70% or better and they are the most at risk. Have not read any figures on recent deaths from Covid or the new Delta Variant. It does seem likely that a state that is deluged with guests and whose main industry is tourism is going to get a lot of germs that are not wanted.

I have decided to stop going to the rec center for a few days at least to try to figure out whether it is safe. I know someone who became sick with Covid after two group members at a rec center became sick and had test.

I am hoping that what we will see that the vaccinated are not getting TOO sick.

It is hard to hear and see the truth with so many clamoring voices.
“ I have decided to stop going to the rec center for a few days at least to try to figure out whether it is safe. I know someone who became sick with Covid after two group members at a rec center became sick and had test.”
I’d reconsider and consider avoiding Rec Centers for a few weeks. It not really that important!

[jimjamuser]

I completely agree with you, but whether you personally have kids or not doesn't matter. Education is a minor expense that pays back big time. It is in everyone's best interest to educate all the children.

Sadly, our school system is broken like so many things that used to work.
Yes, the current school system in the US IS broken. Other countries have created much BETTER "quality of life" for their citizens. Rich people with high property values refuse to pay their fair share of property taxes, so they put people on the school boards specifically to CRY about school expenses and keep property taxes as low as possible - so the US gets only a "cut-rate" educational system.

As a fringe benefit, rich people can today MORE easily manipulate poor people into working for lower wages and electing leaders that work AGAINST the poor's best interest. it is as if the US has devolutioned back to 18th century England.

[Byte1]

Sorry if I am not that concerned. Tell me when the DEATH rate goes up instead of down, as it has been for months.
And as long as they kept talking about how the test are performed and how they might be flawed, I won't take much stock on how many are deemed Covid related.

[lquinn3176]

Please get vaccinated. My 13 year old grandson nearly died from COVID. Was in ICU for 7 days and we almost lost him. His heart and lungs will never recover. I'm begging all of you to please get vaccinated.

[Bill14564]

Sorry if I am not that concerned. Tell me when the DEATH rate goes up instead of down, as it has been for months.
And as long as they kept talking about how the test are performed and how they might be flawed, I won't take much stock on how many are deemed Covid related.

The 7-day trend for death rates started increasing in both Florida and the US about one week ago, a little more than three weeks after case numbers began to increase.

It is yet to be seen whether death numbers will follow the same curve as case numbers but the three-week lag is consistent with the earlier spikes.

[jimjamuser]

We live near The Villages Regional Hospital. We can see and certainly hear the sirens and sound of EMS ambulances and helicopters. There have been almost no such sounds for several days. We can only assume that TVRH is not accepting any new ER patients. Yesterday’s news reported a 64% increase in COVID hospital admissions in Sumter County, over 150% in Jacksonville.

The Florida Hospital Association is projecting that there will be twice as many cases of COVID by Labor Day as the highest number experienced in the U.S. at the peak rate last January. A difference is that the new variant is attacking much younger people with far worse, even fatal results. 96% of current new patients are unvaccinated.
My wife knows for a fact that our hospital's ER is filled up and also the ICU. The Gainsville and Orlando hospitals are also full and "diverting". Apparently, there is nowhere for the helicopters to take our local patients! And patients are younger because of Delta and sicker. The average age of CV patients in Jacksonville is down to 42.

[jimjamuser]

What would really be interesting to know is how many of these cases were very mild, and how many were very serious.
The answer to that is that Nationally hospitalizations and DEATHS are increasing rapidly. The news is FULL of reporting from hospitals today.

[jimjamuser]

Less than 400 kids have died from COVID, and most of them had serious health issues. Meanwhile, thousands have killed themselves. Depression from isolation is more deadly than the virus.
Not more deadly than Delta!

[GrumpyOldMan]

Anyone paying attention might notice that the CDC and others in the US keep referring to studies from other countries. This is primarily because COVID has become so politicized in the US that testing is being reduced, and we do not have data from American sources to answer the questions being asked.

And example, recent comments here refer to information from the CDC showing viral load is much higher in DELTA in both vaccinated and unvaccinated. This brought comments from deniers and anti Vax’ers saying, “see we told you so.”

Well, recent study from Singapore confirms initial viral load is similar between jabbed and unjabbed but then as the disease progresses the patients that have been vaccinated show declining load vs those not vaccinated showing increasing load.

Would be nice is we were testing Americans so we could know if the Singapore results apply here…

But here we reduce testing, because COVID is just seeing a seasonal surge, no big deal… right

[Topspinmo]

I use that line whenever someone says they shouldn't have to pay taxes for [insert whatever they don't approve of because it doesn't fit their agenda].

I don't have kids, why should I have to pay taxes for schools?

(the correct answer to that challenge question is: because some day one of those kids will become YOUR president. You have a choice NOW in ensuring that that kid gets the best education your tax dollars can buy.)


One has nothing to do with other.

[Jokomo]

They aren't wrong. Just because you can breed doesn't mean you should, even the most base creature can do it and it shows.

That sounds like one short step to eugenics.

[jimjamuser]

Sorry if I am not that concerned. Tell me when the DEATH rate goes up instead of down, as it has been for months.
And as long as they kept talking about how the test are performed and how they might be flawed, I won't take much stock on how many are deemed Covid related.
Hospitalizations and Death rates are increasing in both Florida and the US. It is all over the news!

[Jokomo]

While the total of cases are extremely large we need to remember that Florida is the most inbound state for visitors and tourists from all the other states. These factors contribute to the total amounts being recorded so it is not just a Florida issue it is a nationwide issue that has made Florida look like the worst state.
What makes Florida look like the worst state is the fact that it is the worst state. If we required proof of vaccines from every tourist and every resident we would beat the virus and get on with our lives.

[jimjamuser]

Please get vaccinated. My 13 year old grandson nearly died from COVID. Was in ICU for 7 days and we almost lost him. His heart and lungs will never recover. I'm begging all of you to please get vaccinated.
Great post. Thanks for making it personal. Your advice means so MUCH more. Surviving the Delta variant IS more difficult and involves younger and younger people. No one IS invulnerable. Thank you for helping others to see the light of reality!!!!!! I hope your grandson lives a long and strong life.

[Irishmen]

Please get vaccinated. My 13 year old grandson nearly died from COVID. Was in ICU for 7 days and we almost lost him. His heart and lungs will never recover. I'm begging all of you to please get vaccinated.

My neighbor had his 16 yr old took the vaccine and know will have to have all arms and legs amputated because of blod clots.

[ROCKMUP]

That sounds like one short step to eugenics.

Wow, that was a long leap, pretty sure that word doesn't mean what you apparently think it means.

[coffeebean]

My neighbor had his 16 yr old took the vaccine and know will have to have all arms and legs amputated because of blod clots.

That is dreadful. So sorry to hear this. I would think at this point in time there is treatment to prevent this from happening.

As an aside, not to minimize the devastating effects this young person is dealing with but.......Covid also causes blood clots and has also been the cause of amputations of limbs of the victims of the disease.

[sloanst]

A UK study of over 50,000 patients show that the case death rate of the delta variant is 1/10th that of the alpha. It may be more infectious but it is far less deadly.

[jimjamuser]

A UK study of over 50,000 patients show that the case death rate of the delta variant is 1/10th that of the alpha. It may be more infectious but it is far less deadly.
The US CDC says that Delta IS LIKELY more deadly. And this is being proven as we speak in Florida and the US as DEATHS go up this week. Also, more young people get Delta than the prior variants. Also, Florida hospitals are making NEW CV wards and some want to make new wards, but do NOT have the room. That business about less deadly is OLD news in the US.

The UK has some differences in comparison to the US - they have Universal Health Care, like all REAL conscientious countries do! They have vaccinations at a 90% rate - one of the world's highest - and better than all US states (Vermont may be close). The UK's attitude toward government is positive. The US attitude toward government echoes one overrated former President that said, "the government is the problem, not the solution" - and many wild west, cowboy-loving, frontier-mentality want-to-be's ate that garbage up. (even today) The UK tries to reach out to allies. The US (protected somewhat by large oceans) still has a "go it alone" mentality. With a 90% vaccine rate, the UK may have made it to the "holy grail" of "herd immunity". The US may fall short of that as it leads the world in CV problems!

[captboxcar]

Deaths and hospitalizations Are very low which is what really matters but is seldom mentioned. The flu kills more than twenty thousand a year and as many as 80k in some years.Cases may be increasing but you don’t stop living because people are getting a bit sick.We live with risks all the time.If you are fully vaccinated you should have no restrictions. Don’t listen to all the fear mongering.

[Remembergoldenrule]

The governor has mandated that schools are not ALLOWED to require staff or students to wear masks. Elementary schools are primarily children under the age of 12 - which means they *cannot* be vaccinated.

So not only are you sticking a bunch of unvaccinated kids into a closed air-controlled environment, you're also telling them that they don't have to wear masks.

Kids already have plenty to make fun of each other about - some kids can be incredibly cruel, on a good day. Now you're pitting the masked and the unmasked against each other?

This is a recipe for disaster.
You are wrong! I’m an elementary school teacher. Unlike the adults on this blog, elementary students are very much able to find empathy. First and foremost they are intelligent to understand mask choice is really parents so they don’t degrade each other over it. Teachers don’t allow bullying but teach respect for all perspectives which they don’t lose until adults mess with them. They just want friends, recess, lunch, and a little FUN learning in between.

Now from the teacher. Teaching elementary students with masks is ridiculous. They need to LEARN facial cues and how to LEARN to get along and work with everyone from all backgrounds. They learn the ways they are ALIKE as they make friendships. They can’t do this three feet apart or over internet or even with masks up. They can’t communicate as well either with hearing or speaking because they are DEVELOPING these skills.

For all of you that will post they are spreaders to families not true at our school (very diverse families). Kids were quarantined with parents who got it from their work and after 20 days kids never got it. The few kids I know that got it from daycares were all well in three days. Look FACTS from CDC for kids 2018 and 2009 and 2020. You will see no reason for closing schools. Let kids be kids and quit ruining this generation.

[Bill14564]

Deaths and hospitalizations Are very low which is what really matters but is seldom mentioned. The flu kills more than twenty thousand a year and as many as 80k in some years.Cases may be increasing but you don’t stop living because people are getting a bit sick.We live with risks all the time.If you are fully vaccinated you should have no restrictions. Don’t listen to all the fear mongering.

Where in the world do you get your "facts?"

Hospitalizations are high and climbing! Deaths always lag cases and are now beginning to climb. Yes, they are low and hopefully will stay that way but it's too soon to tell.

The flu facts are correct, it kills more than 20K in a normal year. What we also know is Covid has so far gotten over 35M people "a bit sick" and more than 613K of them have died.

I agree with the statement about the vaccinated. For those that are unvaccinated - they should worry!

[jimjamuser]

You are wrong! I’m an elementary school teacher. Unlike the adults on this blog, elementary students are very much able to find empathy. First and foremost they are intelligent to understand mask choice is really parents so they don’t degrade each other over it. Teachers don’t allow bullying but teach respect for all perspectives which they don’t lose until adults mess with them. They just want friends, recess, lunch, and a little FUN learning in between.

Now from the teacher. Teaching elementary students with masks is ridiculous. They need to LEARN facial cues and how to LEARN to get along and work with everyone from all backgrounds. They learn the ways they are ALIKE as they make friendships. They can’t do this three feet apart or over internet or even with masks up. They can’t communicate as well either with hearing or speaking because they are DEVELOPING these skills.

For all of you that will post they are spreaders to families not true at our school (very diverse families). Kids were quarantined with parents who got it from their work and after 20 days kids never got it. The few kids I know that got it from daycares were all well in three days. Look FACTS from CDC for kids 2018 and 2009 and 2020. You will see no reason for closing schools. Let kids be kids and quit ruining this generation.
Thanks for an informative post! But, I, personally, feel that it will be a DISASTER to send kids of ALL ages back to school. Of course, you are correct about facial expressions and speaking and hearing with a mask. Japan has its elementary schools set up with plexiglass between the desks, a big difference from what your students are doing. I lean toward Japan being correct.

The world of CV has changed with the more dangerous and contagious DELTA variant. A whole different world. Kids will have very poor facial expressions if DELTA gets hold of them because of greater hospitalizations, deaths, and long-haul symptoms like neurological symptoms. I hope you have added Delta into all of your risk calculations? And I hope all your peer teachers are themselves vaccinated. Good luck!

[flflowers]

The governor has mandated that schools are not ALLOWED to require staff or students to wear masks. Elementary schools are primarily children under the age of 12 - which means they *cannot* be vaccinated.

So not only are you sticking a bunch of unvaccinated kids into a closed air-controlled environment, you're also telling them that they don't have to wear masks.

Kids already have plenty to make fun of each other about - some kids can be incredibly cruel, on a good day. Now you're pitting the masked and the unmasked against each other?[

This is a recipe for disaster.


Learned from the Grandpas and Grandmas on this site!

[OhioBuckeye]

So my question is - are the people (including governors, politicians and commentators) who are posting about Covid not being a big issue, that vaccination is a personal issue, and masks do nothing un-vaccinated or hypocrites?

Personal preference is an American choice that we’re privileged to have, not like a communist country that our govt. is sucking up to. But it just sounds like to me that is one time we should do what we’re asked to to do if we want this Covid thing to go away! But our biggest problem is the illegals coming in aren’t being checked or vaccinated!

[billethkid]

We live near The Villages Regional Hospital. We can see and certainly hear the sirens and sound of EMS ambulances and helicopters. There have been almost no such sounds for several days. We can only assume that TVRH is not accepting any new ER patients. Yesterday’s news reported a 64% increase in COVID hospital admissions in Sumter County, over 150% in Jacksonville.

The Florida Hospital Association is projecting that there will be twice as many cases of COVID by Labor Day as the highest number experienced in the U.S. at the peak rate last January. A difference is that the new variant is attacking much younger people with far worse, even fatal results. 96% of current new patients are unvaccinated.

When all gets said and done, no matter how it is sliced or diced....the unvaccinated pandemic is the reality.
Like it or not!

[graciegirl]

Rather than start a new thread, I will try to slightly change the subject because we are heading down the primrose path again and this thread will be closed soon...

Do any of you know personally anyone here in The Villages who has caught Covid after having both shots? I do. I know one person and he knows two more from the rec center group where he caught it. He did not get very sick, thank goodness.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Rather than start a new thread, I will try to slightly change the subject because we are heading down the primrose path again and this thread will be closed soon...

Do any of you know personally anyone here in The Villages who has caught Covid after having both shots? I do. I know one person and he knows two more from the rec center group where he caught it. He did not get very sick, thank goodness.

Sorry, my bad.

I do not know anyone personally, but my brother does, they, the ones vaccinated that caught COVID, are both doctors.

[graciegirl]

Yes, I do wonder, it started when I was told the pandemic would magically go away in April. 600,000 deaths later, I am still waiting for the magic to happen.

I don't recall reading that.

[MDLNB]

Again... Posters need to quote the post they're replying to. Several posts in here are head-scratchers. Some have been removed.
Why are "head-scratchers" removed? Just asking in case I might make the mistake of writing a "head-scratcher." I do not know the definition of head-scratcher. Thank you.

[MDLNB]

Hospitalizations and Death rates are increasing in both Florida and the US. It is all over the news!


Death rates are not.

[MDLNB]

You are wrong! I’m an elementary school teacher. Unlike the adults on this blog, elementary students are very much able to find empathy. First and foremost they are intelligent to understand mask choice is really parents so they don’t degrade each other over it. Teachers don’t allow bullying but teach respect for all perspectives which they don’t lose until adults mess with them. They just want friends, recess, lunch, and a little FUN learning in between.

Now from the teacher. Teaching elementary students with masks is ridiculous. They need to LEARN facial cues and how to LEARN to get along and work with everyone from all backgrounds. They learn the ways they are ALIKE as they make friendships. They can’t do this three feet apart or over internet or even with masks up. They can’t communicate as well either with hearing or speaking because they are DEVELOPING these skills.

For all of you that will post they are spreaders to families not true at our school (very diverse families). Kids were quarantined with parents who got it from their work and after 20 days kids never got it. The few kids I know that got it from daycares were all well in three days. Look FACTS from CDC for kids 2018 and 2009 and 2020. You will see no reason for closing schools. Let kids be kids and quit ruining this generation.


Thank you!:clap2:

[Boomer]

Yes, I do wonder, it started when I was told the pandemic would magically go away in April. 600,000 deaths later, I am still waiting for the magic to happen.

I don't recall reading that.


Hi Gracie,

I remember February, 2020, as the time when we were all just finding out what we could be in for. I think February of 2020 was the first of many of those “going away” statements. That one was something about the heat coming in to take it out in April.

A quick Google will find many such empty declarations. I guess you must have missed them.

I find the fact that it has been so easy for so many to accept the rewriting of reality to be damn scary. With the vaccine, we now have a way to fight the virus — but dysinformation just keeps on spreading — and winning. (shudder)

Boomer

[Bill14564]

Death rates are not.

July 2: FL 7-day average: 30 deaths per day
Aug 2: FL 7-day average: 52 deaths per day

It's been a while but back when I was in school moving from 30 to 52 was considered an increase.

[Bucco]

Hi Gracie,

I remember February, 2020, as the time when we were all just finding out what we could be in for. I think February of 2020 was the first of many of those “going away” statements. That one was something about the heat coming in to take it out in April.

A quick Google will find many such empty declarations. I guess you must have missed them.

I find the fact that it has been so easy for so many to accept the rewriting of reality to be damn scary. We have a way to get through the virus — but dysinformation just keeps on spreading. (shudder)

Boomer

And even with the showing of sham claims, etc., so many stubbornly cling to fantasy versus reality

[golfing eagles]

July 2: FL 7-day average: 30 deaths per day
Aug 2: FL 7-day average: 52 deaths per day

It's been a while but back when I was in school moving from 30 to 52 was considered an increase.

Not in common core math:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[MDLNB]

July 2: FL 7-day average: 30 deaths per day
Aug 2: FL 7-day average: 52 deaths per day

It's been a while but back when I was in school moving from 30 to 52 was considered an increase.


Sorry, but one week does not mean the death rate is increasing. If you check the stats for the past two years, you will find that there has been a steady decrease in deaths. Before causing a great panic folks need to look at the total picture. I don't know where you got your figures but I get mine from the CDC site.

[coffeebean]

Hi Gracie,

I remember February, 2020, as the time when we were all just finding out what we could be in for. I think February of 2020 was the first of many of those “going away” statements. That one was something about the heat coming in to take it out in April.

A quick Google will find many such empty declarations. I guess you must have missed them.

I find the fact that it has been so easy for so many to accept the rewriting of reality to be damn scary. With the vaccine, we now have a way to fight the virus — but dysinformation just keeps on spreading — and winning. (shudder)

Boomer

Gracie......Boomer tells the truth. I heard it too. Many, many times. Yup.

[Bill14564]

Sorry, but one week does not mean the death rate is increasing. If you check the stats for the past two years, you will find that there has been a steady decrease in deaths. Before causing a great panic folks need to look at the total picture. I don't know where you got your figures but I get mine from the CDC site.

Here are mine (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/?itid=hp_hp-banner-low_web-gfx-death-tracker%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans), now where are yours?

If I check the stats over the past two years I will see a tremendous increase in deaths due to Covid. If I check the stats over the past two months I will see a decrease, likely due to vaccinations, and then a steady increase, likely due to Delta.

[MDLNB]

Here are mine (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/?itid=hp_hp-banner-low_web-gfx-death-tracker%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans), now where are yours?

If I check the stats over the past two years I will see a tremendous increase in deaths due to Covid. If I check the stats over the past two months I will see a decrease, likely due to vaccinations, and then a steady increase, likely due to Delta.


Washington Post???


Like I said, July was the lowest month in a year, almost two years. Aug just started and does not represent anything other than Aug. Usually a trend is longer than a week, right? I get it. Folks want to panic whenever there is any deaths related to an illness. Guess I like to reserve my stress level until there is something REAL to concern me.

[Bill14564]

Washington Post???


Like I said, July was the lowest month in a year, almost two years. Aug just started and does not represent anything other than Aug. Usually a trend is longer than a week, right? I get it. Folks want to panic whenever there is any deaths related to an illness. Guess I like to reserve my stress level until there is something REAL to concern me.

And your data is where??

If you read anything in my posts or on that page that implied totals for the month of August then you were reading it wrong. The trend is not for the month, the 7-day average is for the time period ending on August 2 which would be July 27 - Aug 2.

Look, as I wrote to another poster, I know I am not going to change your mind. You have seen the data and read the arguments and have decided that none of that matters, you are going to wait until there is something REAL to concern you. My concern is for those who might be swayed by the some of the utter nonsense that gets posted here. For example, a claim that deaths have not been climbing recently which is demonstrably false.

[MDLNB]

And your data is where??

If you read anything in my posts or on that page that implied totals for the month of August then you were reading it wrong. The trend is not for the month, the 7-day average is for the time period ending on August 2 which would be July 27 - Aug 2.

Look, as I wrote to another poster, I know I am not going to change your mind. You have seen the data and read the arguments and have decided that none of that matters, you are going to wait until there is something REAL to concern you. My concern is for those who might be swayed by the some of the utter nonsense that gets posted here. For example, a claim that deaths have not been climbing recently which is demonstrably false.


Uhh, Jul 27- Aug 2 is what you call a trend? Like I said, even with the graph you provided it proves what I have been saying.

[Bill14564]

Uhh, Jul 27- Aug 2 is what you call a trend? Like I said, even with the graph you provided it proves what I have been saying.

You have been saying a lot yet showing nothing. Where is the link to your data.

I'm not arguing with you about this anymore. As I said last time, I'm not going to convince you.

[MDLNB]

You have been saying a lot yet showing nothing. Where is the link to your data.

I'm not arguing with you about this anymore. As I said last time, I'm not going to convince you.


Like I said my info came from the CDC website. But, your information also supports what I said. One week in Aug is not a trend.

[John41]

Like I said my info came from the CDC website. But, your information also supports what I said. One week in Aug is not a trend.

You are correct that one week of data does not establish a statistically significant trend.
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Basic Regression Analysis
ec 10, 2010 · If you calculate trends over a short period you don’t get statistically significant trends, and over a longer period you do get statistically significant trends. This is true for almost any real life data, and how long it takes for trend to show up over short term non-trended variation will depend on the data.