Large protests against mandatory vaccine and passports

[SkBlogW]

Massive anti vaccine passport protest in Paris, France. - Riot police deployed. - YouTube (https://youtu.be/5pO5hFOdFrs)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1421462935717781514

Almost forgot, these protests are all over France, Italy, Switzerland etc

They must all be watching Fox news :shocked::1rotfl::MOJE_whot:

[GrumpyOldMan]

Well, looks like this thread is doomed before it even got started. Time to make some pop corn and stay out of it, I don't need anymore points on my profile - LOL

[SkBlogW]

Well, looks like this thread is doomed before it even got started. Time to make some pop corn and stay out of it, I don't need anymore points on my profile - LOL

Why would it be doomed? I have seen 100s of comments here blaming the anti vax movement on Fox news. This thread points out just how ridiculous that assumption is.

It's a big world :icon_wink:

[John41]

Massive anti vaccine passport protest in Paris, France. - Riot police deployed. - YouTube (https://youtu.be/5pO5hFOdFrs)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1421462935717781514

Almost forgot, these protests are all over France, Italy, Switzerland etc

They must all be watching Fox news :shocked::1rotfl::MOJE_whot:

Did you ever notice you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar? Well mandating someone to get vaccinated is going to get them to respond like kids “you can’t make me eat my spinach”.

And kids notice hypocrisy too. Like we all have to mask up even if vaxxed but 188,000 illegals cross the southern border every month according to ICE unmasked and unvaxxed.

Personally I think everyone over twenty should get vaxxed with the carrot being $5,000 which will probably save money in the long run and maybe even save humanity if this virus is as I suspect the result of gain of function research.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Well I agree that business and government should mandate vaccination for employees and customers, maybe sweeten it with a cash bonus. Antivaxxers can live in a tent in the woods and eat berries for all I care. But allowing almost one million unmasked, unvaxxed crowded together illegals across the southern border so far this year according to ICE ( almost twice the population of Vermont) has to be addressed. Flying them back south is not working and a wall has to be built. But I doubt in this polarized society there will be any compromise.

I think I heard the administration was recommending corporations offer a $100 incentive to get vaccinated. Not sure if it went anywhere. $5000 for 100 million unvaccinated would come to $500B. Probably worth it in the long run, but sad it takes that to get people to be a little patriotic and take a jab for the country.

In days gone by (WWII) kids donated their comic books to help relive the paper shortage, now we have to pay people to help stop a pandemic. #sad.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Well I agree that business and government should mandate vaccination for employees and customers, maybe sweeten it with a cash bonus. Antivaxxers can live in a tent in the woods and eat berries for all I care. But allowing almost one million unmasked, unvaxxed crowded together illegals across the southern border so far this year according to ICE ( almost twice the population of Vermont) has to be addressed. Flying them back south is not working and a wall has to be built. But I doubt in this polarized society there will be any compromise.

I understand your concern over the unvaccinated migrants coming across the border.

I agree we need to do something about it.

My suggestion offer tests, masks, and jabs, and if they refuse send them back. If they take them, then they continue into the seriously broken immigration court system to seek legal entry. Fixing the broken refugee court system so they get a hearing in days not years would be nice too, but that might make sense.

I don't think a wall helps, that is my opinion. I think flying the back is also not a solution. Again, hold them a couple of days, hear their plea, decide, and if rejected, dump them back in Mexico. Let Mexico deal with it. They let them (for the most part) cross their country unhampered in order to reach our border.

[Boomer]

Yeah. I know. I looked at one of these threads I have been avoiding for the past couple of days.

But. . .now that I am here. . .

You know what I wish would happen?

I wish a cruiseline would offer a free or dirt cheap cruise for only the unvaccinated.. Yep. Make them an offer to set them out to sea in a floating Petri dish — all together — with only their own kind.

See how many takers there would be.

Those who would go would be putting their deckchair bottoms where their mouths are. Right?

And they could prove that they truly believe the virus can’t really get ‘em.

And — even better — they could prove that they are not just freeloading on the vaccinated.

Refusing to be vaccinated (unless there is an actual medical condition that makes risk outweigh benefit) is looking more and more like a twisted version of welfare — well-fare — as they ride on the responsibility of those of us who are doing what we can to stop the virus.

Never would such a cruise be offered, but it sure would be interesting to see what would happen if it were to be.

The ultimate anecdotal evidence?

The best trial ever?

A Ship of Fools?

Would they take the chance for a free ride on a big fancy ship. Free rides seem to be a thing these days.

All aboard!?

Boomer

[roscoguy]

Like we all have to mask up even if vaxxed but 188,000 illegals cross the southern border every month according to ICE unmasked and unvaxxed.
No. Just absoultely, 100% no. Attempt, NOT cross. For Pete's sake... :blahblahblah: "U.S. border agents stopped more than 188,000 immigrants trying to cross the southern U.S. border in June, marking a 21-year high in monthly border crossings" Also this: "Of the 188,829 border crossers in June, nearly 105,000 were expelled back into Mexico..."Please research these specious claims before spreading them!
Number of attempted crossings at southern U.S. border hits 21-year high (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/number-attempted-crossings-southern-u-s-border-hits-21-year-n1274230)


Personally I think everyone over twenty should get vaxxed with the carrot being $5,000 which will probably save money in the long run and maybe even save humanity... Yay for this part! :a040:

[RICH1]

Superspreader Protests! China is sizing us up...

Democracy will fail !

[John41]

I understand your concern over the unvaccinated migrants coming across the border.

I agree we need to do something about it.

My suggestion offer tests, masks, and jabs, and if they refuse send them back. If they take them, then they continue into the seriously broken immigration court system to seek legal entry. Fixing the broken refugee court system so they get a hearing in days not years would be nice too, but that might make sense.

I don't think a wall helps, that is my opinion. I think flying the back is also not a solution. Again, hold them a couple of days, hear their plea, decide, and if rejected, dump them back in Mexico. Let Mexico deal with it. They let them (for the most part) cross their country unhampered in order to reach our border.

Last year according to ICE there were about 40,000 illegal entries per month at the southern border. This year it has increased to 188,000 per month. All of last years measures to control immigration were rescinded by executive order this year including the successful wait in place in Mexico until a hearing on asylum could be obtained, similar to what you are suggesting. You might think a wall won’t help but as you say we should listen to the experts. The border patrol experts on the front line believe a wall is helpful because it slows down the flow so they can use their limited manpower to apprehend the illegal immigrant. That is why cops use barricades for crowd control, it’s one tool. But with the polarization in society I don’t think compromise is possible because no one wants to take the first step or give an inch.

[agjaret@aol.com]

Through a lab leak (?) or bio warfare we are now being forced to vax. Well you may not agree, but there are those that don’t want this experimental drug inside of them. For some it is Russian roulette.
Our borders should have been shut long ago. Interesting that they weren’t.
We are pawns in a game.

[Bay Kid]

Through a lab leak (?) or bio warfare we are now being forced to vax. Well you may not agree, but there are those that don’t want this experimental drug inside of them. For some it is Russian roulette.
Our borders should have been shut long ago. Interesting that they weren’t.
We are pawns in a game.

Don't look to see where this started because our govern sent much money. Illegals are just future votes for the crooks.

[allsport]

Why would it be doomed? I have seen 100s of comments here blaming the anti vax movement on Fox news. This thread points out just how ridiculous that assumption is.

It's a big world :icon_wink:
Many of those countries take their leads from us. Have you been to Europe, all those channels are available all day long. If you don't wear a mask fine, if you don't get the vaccine that is fine also but don't expect sympathizing when something untoward happens to you or your grandchildren. It is just plain old karma.

[allsport]

Through a lab leak (?) or bio warfare we are now being forced to vax. Well you may not agree, but there are those that don’t want this experimental drug inside of them. For some it is Russian roulette.
Our borders should have been shut long ago. Interesting that they weren’t.
We are pawns in a game.
Only those foolish enough not to get vaccinated. I have neighbors that believed just like that and they are now ashes in an urn.

[tsmall22204]

When the news media doesn't spectactularize the news, people get on TOTV to get their little boost of untruths.

[Tom2172]

Want To Avoid Mandatory Vaccine In UK? Try Identifying As "Trans Vegan"
Their exempt

[OhioBuckeye]

It’s a little silly to be protesting about a stupid shot. If you want get it, if you don’t people probably won’t care if you get sick or not.But keep away from me! Seems like anything we do or complain about someone starts a protest that leads to riots, why?

[MandoMan]

Yeah. I know. I looked at one of these threads I have been avoiding for the past couple of days.

But. . .now that I am here. . .

You know what I wish would happen?

I wish a cruiseline would offer a free or dirt cheap cruise for only the unvaccinated.. Yep. Make them an offer to set them out to sea in a floating Petri dish — all together — with only their own kind.

See how many takers there would be.

Those who would go would be putting their deckchair bottoms where their mouths are. Right?

And they could prove that they truly believe the virus can’t really get ‘em.

And — even better — they could prove that they are not just freeloading on the vaccinated.

Refusing to be vaccinated (unless there is an actual medical condition that makes risk outweigh benefit) is looking more and more like a twisted version of welfare — well-fare — as they ride on the responsibility of those of us who are doing what we can to stop the virus.

Never would such a cruise be offered, but it sure would be interesting to see what would happen if it were to be.

The ultimate anecdotal evidence?

The best trial ever?

A Ship of Fools?

Would they take the chance for a free ride on a big fancy ship. Free rides seem to be a thing these days.

All aboard!?

Boomer

I would favor government at all levels requiring a variety of much-loved businesses to require vaccinations. If people don’t want to be vaccinated, that’s their choice, but lots of pleasures wouldn’t be available (rather like last year). For example, you would have to be vaccinated to:
Go on a cruise,
Visit Disneyworld or similar places of amusement,
Fly in an airplane or ride on a train or subway or bus,
Attend a concert,
Enter a movie theater,
Attend a sports event,
Enter a museum,
Eat or drink indoors or out at a restaurant or bar (drive-thru only),
Visit a hospital or nursing home.
Oh, and required for anyone going to a club meeting or going to the pool or playing golf here in The Villages.
(This in addition to vaccinations as a condition of employment for employees of these places, as well as all government employees and military personnel.)

I think this would provide incentive for many people to get vaccinated. Most of us grew up when we were required to be vaccinated for smallpox, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, diphtheria, tetanus. We all had to be tested for TB. All school kids and little kids got these miracle vaccinations. Before there were polio vaccines, around the time I was born, parents lived in fear of their kids dying or being crippled. Many of us are alive today because of these vaccines.

Frankly, because the COVID-19 vaccine is readily available, I believe that people who refuse to get the vaccine and then get sick are parasites, hoping to live because the rest of us take the (minuscule) risk of getting the vaccine instead of them. They are rather like welfare queens.

I would favor health insurance companies and Medicare and Medicaid amending their policies so that hospital treatment for COVID-19 is not covered unless people are vaccinated. Those who choose not to be vaccinated can get treatment, but they have to pay for it all themselves, even if their hospital stay costs a million dollars, and it easily could. They should be required to take out pre-payment bonds before they are admitted that would make sure they or their families don’t file for bankruptcy. If they can’t afford it, they are free to die at home. I know this sounds draconian, but it’s just my opinion. It will never happen.

[PennBF]

What the heck are the un vaccinated thinking? This must be the start of the proof that the overall US IQ's have dropped? If given a 94% chance of living vs 10% of dying if you get it or suffering from the effects for many years this group chose the sick and dying choice. I would add the un vaccinated also chose to put their friends or the general public at risk because of their stupid choice, yes stupid choice as no person with an ounce of sense would chose to die/suffer over life! The only good news out of this is they are "thinning the herd"!:ho:

[Dana1963]

Massive anti vaccine passport protest in Paris, France. - Riot police deployed. - YouTube (https://youtu.be/5pO5hFOdFrs)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1421462935717781514

Almost forgot, these protests are all over France, Italy, Switzerland etc

They must all be watching Fox news :shocked::1rotfl::MOJE_whot:
Im no rocket scientist BUT since masking was relaxed Covid illness spiked its like Deja Vu, Florida June 2020 our first Covid spike we are on number 4 now.
Now explain to me how masking didn’t help

[JanetMM]

To quote Boomer…I wish a cruiseline would offer a free or dirt cheap cruise for only the unvaccinated.. Yep. Make them an offer to set them out to sea in a floating Petri dish — all together — with only their own kind.

Those who would go would be putting their deckchair bottoms where their mouths are. Right?

And they could prove that they truly believe the virus can’t really get ‘em.

And — even better — they could prove that they are not just freeloading on the vaccinated.

Never would such a cruise be offered, but it sure would be interesting to see what would happen if it were to be.

The ultimate anecdotal evidence?

The best trial ever?

A Ship of Fools?

All aboard!?

Boomer

Would make a very interesting premise for a fictional story. Any budding authors out there looking for inspiration? Here it is, go for it. Not joking or sarcastic, seriously a good fictional topic.

[Blackbird45]

Wear mask, don't wear mask, I don.t get it. Why not put a 3 month test period where we try everything, mask, passports, vaccines, bubble wrap, whatever and of it doesn't work we strip down and party.

[DeeCee Dubya]

Mon Dieu! Froggies showing a backbone?

[Cybersprings]

It’s a little silly to be protesting about a stupid shot. If you want get it, if you don’t people probably won’t care if you get sick or not.But keep away from me! Seems like anything we do or complain about someone starts a protest that leads to riots, why?

Why would unvaccinated people need to stay away from you, you’ve been vaccinated? Oh wait. The vaccine doesn’t actually prevent COVID.

[DIver0258]

It's kinda funny that in Europe the Antifa people are protesting the same things the Trumpies are protesting here!

People that are anti mask and anti vaccine are not limited to one group. SMH

[Cybersprings]

What the heck are the un vaccinated thinking? This must be the start of the proof that the overall US IQ's have dropped? If given a 94% chance of living vs 10% of dying if you get it or suffering from the effects for many years this group chose the sick and dying choice. I would add the un vaccinated also chose to put their friends or the general public at risk because of their stupid choice, yes stupid choice as no person with an ounce of sense would chose to die/suffer over life! The only good news out of this is they are "thinning the herd"!:ho:

Please explain how the unvaccinated are putting their friends at risk? Either their friends are unvaccinated and taking their own chances or their friends are vaccinated and have nothing to worry about, right???

[Wyseguy]

Why would unvaccinated people need to stay away from you, you’ve been vaccinated? Oh wait. The vaccine doesn’t actually prevent COVID.

Ohiobuckeye had two errors in the post, one you pointed out, the vaccines do not prevent covid. The second is that is it involves socialists of communists, it is a mostly peacefull protest.

[CFrance]

Mon Dieu! Froggies showing a backbone?
Some reading up will show that the French had a backbone long before America was even colonized. Most recently the gilets jaunes (yellow vests) brought the country to a standstill.


You name it; they'll protest it. And a lot of them bring results.

[Yjacket74]

It's kinda funny that in Europe the Antifa people are protesting the same things the Trumpies are protesting here!
How do you know they are Antifa? More likely they are the same far-right people as here in America who proclaim their “freedom” but are willing to get everybody else sick and perhaps die!

[Topspinmo]

Quick question to the OP. Do you wake up and think what can I put in 'Talk of the Villages" that has nothing to do with The Villages, that will rile people up for my amusement?


Well, I can tell you if I started this crap I would be infraction several points.

[Spalumbos62]

I would favor government at all levels requiring a variety of much-loved businesses to require vaccinations. If people don’t want to be vaccinated, that’s their choice, but lots of pleasures wouldn’t be available (rather like last year). For example, you would have to be vaccinated to:
Go on a cruise,
Visit Disneyworld or similar places of amusement,
Fly in an airplane or ride on a train or subway or bus,
Attend a concert,
Enter a movie theater,
Attend a sports event,
Enter a museum,
Eat or drink indoors or out at a restaurant or bar (drive-thru only),
Visit a hospital or nursing home.
Oh, and required for anyone going to a club meeting or going to the pool or playing golf here in The Villages.
(This in addition to vaccinations as a condition of employment for employees of these places, as well as all government employees and military personnel.)

I think this would provide incentive for many people to get vaccinated. Most of us grew up when we were required to be vaccinated for smallpox, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, diphtheria, tetanus. We all had to be tested for TB. All school kids and little kids got these miracle vaccinations. Before there were polio vaccines, around the time I was born, parents lived in fear of their kids dying or being crippled. Many of us are alive today because of these vaccines.

Frankly, because the COVID-19 vaccine is readily available, I believe that people who refuse to get the vaccine and then get sick are parasites, hoping to live because the rest of us take the (minuscule) risk of getting the vaccine instead of them. They are rather like welfare queens.

I would favor health insurance companies and Medicare and Medicaid amending their policies so that hospital treatment for COVID-19 is not covered unless people are vaccinated. Those who choose not to be vaccinated can get treatment, but they have to pay for it all themselves, even if their hospital stay costs a million dollars, and it easily could. They should be required to take out pre-payment bonds before they are admitted that would make sure they or their families don’t file for bankruptcy. If they can’t afford it, they are free to die at home. I know this sounds draconian, but it’s just my opinion. It will never happen.


I am in total agreement, I wrote basically this same post a few weeks back... didn't go over well. But especially about the insurance coverage...absolutely...you wanna play games....then you foot that bill.
Ty,ty,ty

[Boomer]

Well-known NYC restaurant owner Danny Meyer is now requiring proof of vaccination, not only from his employees, but also from customers who want to dine at his restaurants — and his employees are happy about it and so are his customers.

I hope we see more of this happening. I think there is a lot of pent up money, waiting to be spent on entertainment, dining, and travel by those who are choosing to avoid the unvaccinated.

Go, Danny! I hope many others follow your lead.

Boomer

PS: (And please don’t hand me the line about if the vaccine works, why worry. If that is what you truly believe, take a look at Vermont’s Covid stats where you will find proof that Vermont’s high vaccination rate is resulting in the state having a very low infection rate and very few hospitalizations.

Seriously — look up Vermont. And then look up the stats in the states that are getting all the publicity for their low rates of vaccination and their high rates of hospitalization for Covid. How hard is it to connect the dots???

:shocked: But Wait!!. Ohhhhhh, noooooo! Vermont is known to be a state full of liberal thinkers. Ah, Ha! The virus must be one a them damn liberals!)

[Byte1]

Funny how some of those of you hysterical types disparage and demean those that have not been vaccinated, thinking that they will see "your way" and run out and get their shots.
For your information, and NOT to get political but those not getting vaccinated are NOT thinking politics at all. Most are either young folks, minorities or children. Almost half the country has been vaccinated, with at least one shot. Calm down and hold off on the hysteria.
Last month was the lowest DEATH rate attributed to Covid related deaths in a year and almost two. Isn't that great? Yes, the infection rate has spiked. And yes, it seems that they are reporting in influx of Covid related patients in the hospitals. Don't you get it? If the death rate is down, that's a good thing.
Take your cruises. If you have your vaccination, you have nothing to worry about, right? Or, don't you have confidence in the very vaccine that you are attempting to shove down everyone else's proverbial throats?
I have family coming down to visit this month. None of them have had their vaccination for Covid. All of the ones coming down to visit have had Covid. I am not going to encourage them to get the shots because that is a personal choice and I don't want to be responsible for any future side effects that may haunt them in years to come. They did not die and none of them were hospitalized. They are mostly in good health. I'm not worried, so why should it be anyone else's business if they are vaccinated or not?
Covid is here and it is an illness. The world has a record of illnesses that have been fatal. We have survived them all. I see no reason for mass hysteria, whether you feel justified being rattled or not.
Do what you have to do to stay safe and leave other folks to make their own decisions. Death will eventually catch up to all of you. Think of it as the ultimate life experience.

[Byte1]

Probably would have been a good idea to require vaccination shot in order to get any type of governmental assistance including stimulus checks.

I've often suggested that drug testing should be a requirement for gov assistance.

[Byte1]

The sky is falling, folks! Covid ain't gonna get ya, but hysteria/panic will.

[Boomer]

Hysteria!! Nope. Just common sense and the ability to reason based on stats.

Although. . .we might see some hysteria when everybody’s insurance premiums go through the roof in 2022.

This is about dollars and cents. . .er, dollars and sense.

[Byte1]

Yep, they demean those that are not vaccinated, but excuse those that are not vaxxed coming across our borders illegally. And many of those illegal aliens are refusing testing and vaccinations from what I read.

[Johnsocat]

John,
I believe you are correct. 73 patents on covid virus/vaccines since 2004...

From the Trenches World Report | Enforce our Bill of Rights (https://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/)


Did you ever notice you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar? Well mandating someone to get vaccinated is going to get them to respond like kids “you can’t make me eat my spinach”.

And kids notice hypocrisy too. Like we all have to mask up even if vaxxed but 188,000 illegals cross the southern border every month according to ICE unmasked and unvaxxed.

Personally I think everyone over twenty should get vaxxed with the carrot being $5,000 which will probably save money in the long run and maybe even save humanity if this virus is as I suspect the result of gain of function research.

[Johnsocat]

Draconian, totalitarian policies...
You admit the vaccine is a risk to those who take it and you appear to want to punish those who chose to not accept your choice. As the vaccine is experimental, it may turn out the risk you chose is higher than the 2% risk of death by covid they chose.
I am in total agreement, I wrote basically this same post a few weeks back... didn't go over well. But especially about the insurance coverage...absolutely...you wanna play games....then you foot that bill.
Ty,ty,ty

[Topspinmo]

No. Just absoultely, 100% no. Attempt, NOT cross. For Pete's sake... :blahblahblah: "U.S. border agents stopped more than 188,000 immigrants trying to cross the southern U.S. border in June, marking a 21-year high in monthly border crossings" Also this: "Of the 188,829 border crossers in June, nearly 105,000 were expelled back into Mexico..."Please research these specious claims before spreading them!
Number of attempted crossings at southern U.S. border hits 21-year high (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/number-attempted-crossings-southern-u-s-border-hits-21-year-n1274230)


Yay for this part! :a040:


But, how many crossed and didn’t get caught? NOBODY knows that NUMBER.

[jimjamuser]

Why would it be doomed? I have seen 100s of comments here blaming the anti vax movement on Fox news. This thread points out just how ridiculous that assumption is.

It's a big world :icon_wink:
Not necessarily the logical conclusion. Tuckems IS definitely anti-vaxx propaganda. France is different than the US in that they issued MANDATES for vaccine proof nationwide to enter restaurants, movie theaters, and etc. That is what caused the riots. That news channel that you mentioned is guilty of many lies, but it has relatively little bearing on riots in France.

[jimjamuser]

What the heck are the un vaccinated thinking? This must be the start of the proof that the overall US IQ's have dropped? If given a 94% chance of living vs 10% of dying if you get it or suffering from the effects for many years this group chose the sick and dying choice. I would add the un vaccinated also chose to put their friends or the general public at risk because of their stupid choice, yes stupid choice as no person with an ounce of sense would chose to die/suffer over life! The only good news out of this is they are "thinning the herd"!:ho:
Winston Churchill said that "the American people will ALWAYS do the RIGHT thing................after all other options have been tried"

[John41]

Draconian, totalitarian policies...
You admit the vaccine is a risk to those who take it and you appear to want to punish those who chose to not accept your choice. As the vaccine is experimental, it may turn out the risk you chose is higher than the 2% risk of death by covid they chose.

This is the elephant in the room. How can we know the long term effects of a vaccine that has been tested in control groups less than a year? Personally I think it is worth the risk but I don’t kid myself that down the road there might be unforeseen consequences.

[jimjamuser]

Mon Dieu! Froggies showing a backbone?
Froggies living in a pretend world where CV does NOT exist. Like children holding their breath until they get their way and attention.

[jimjamuser]

Why would unvaccinated people need to stay away from you, you’ve been vaccinated? Oh wait. The vaccine doesn’t actually prevent COVID.
Yes, the vaccine does PREVENT CV (even the Delta variant) as far as hospitalizations and DEATHS go in 97% of the cases. Those are GREAT ODDS! Nothing in life is perfect. I am very much NOT and I worry that others are NOT also.

And I also believe that this anti-vaccine thinking did NOT originate in America, but rather in Russian and Chinese hacking groups. Then, it was re-transmitted by Facebook and the infamous Tuckums.

[Heyitsrick]

Winston Churchill said that "the American people will ALWAYS do the RIGHT thing................after all other options have been tried"


Not quite.

I wish I could substantiate that [Churchill] said it. But so far, I cannot," says Richard Langworth, editor of the journal Finest Hour, published by WinstonChurchill.org.

A Churchill 'Quote' That U.S. Politicians Will Never Surrender : It's All Politics : NPR (https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2013/10/28/241295755/a-churchill-quote-that-u-s-politicians-will-never-surrender)

[SkBlogW]

Lol...said the nonvaxer

Had both shots last January. You?

[jimjamuser]

Draconian, totalitarian policies...
You admit the vaccine is a risk to those who take it and you appear to want to punish those who chose to not accept your choice. As the vaccine is experimental, it may turn out the risk you chose is higher than the 2% risk of death by covid they chose.
The vaccine is a PROVEN lifesaver. I will now prove it for all who read on to the next sentence!

97% of ALL medical Doctors in the US have gotten their CV shots. That fact is un-refutable!

[drducat]

And it may turn out that space aliens have a secret base in Antarctica, but I wouldn't bet money on either of those scenarios. And the vaccine is not "experimental". It has passed all the phase 3 human trials required and has Emergency Use Authorization from the FDA. Perhaps those that refer to it as "experimental" need to understand the difference between FDA approved, Emergency use approved, off label use, and experimental.

Too reliant on FDA......

[golfing eagles]

You're comparing apples and oranges with aliens in Antarctica and the vaccine. Per the FDA it has not proven safe just because it was approved for emergency use... here is an excerpt explaining: "What is an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)?
An Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies, such as the current COVID-19 pandemic. Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. "
It is UNNAPPROVED!

Approval is a bureaucratic process, it is NOT "experimental"

[PennBF]

If you note that some un vaccinated question why the vaccinated should be upset because they have protection. This is a clear indication the un vaccinated do not read or digest the reality of the situation. Their ability to comprehend that the off shoots of
the Virus can and do effect those vaccinated. This conclusion is reached by all knowledgeable Medical person's and is highlighted in almost all Virus reports coming from the media. Conclusion: Either those who don't know this do not read the reports or do read them and don't understand. This is proof the IQ is seriously dropping in the US.!!:ho:

[Irishmen]

The vaccine is a PROVEN lifesaver. I will now prove it for all who read on to the next sentence!

97% of ALL medical Doctors in the US have gotten their CV shots. That fact is un-refutable!

Tell it to over 300k people now with major side affects healthy until taken the jab. VAERS was shut down so many are reporting terrible side affects. Over 30k deaths now to say the jab is safe is propaganda.

[Bonnevie]

excellent article on safety of vaccines by expert at Univ. of Alabama. Three things to know about the long-term side effects of COVID vaccines - News | UAB (https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12143-three-things-to-know-about-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines)

as he points out vaccines are one or two doses then done and are eliminated very quickly unlike other medications taken regularly over years which can cause more side effects over time. he says vaccines side effects appear within first 2 months.

btw: look at these side effects--warmth or redness in the face, neck, or chest,
stuffy nose,
headaches,
stomach pain,
upset stomach,
nausea,
diarrhea,
memory problems,
back pain,
an inability to differentiate between the colors green and blue,
loss of hearing,
ringing in the ears,
and dizziness.

that's Viagra, but it doesn't stop millions who take it.

[golfing eagles]

excellent article on safety of vaccines by expert at Univ. of Alabama. Three things to know about the long-term side effects of COVID vaccines - News | UAB (https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12143-three-things-to-know-about-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines)

as he points out vaccines are one or two doses then done and are eliminated very quickly unlike other medications taken regularly over years which can cause more side effects over time. he says vaccines side effects appear within first 2 months.

btw: look at these side effects--warmth or redness in the face, neck, or chest,
stuffy nose,
headaches,
stomach pain,
upset stomach,
nausea,
diarrhea,
memory problems,
back pain,
an inability to differentiate between the colors green and blue,
loss of hearing,
ringing in the ears,
and dizziness.

that's Viagra, but it doesn't stop millions who take it.

Let's see if I can beat that:

weight gain
edema
electrolyte imbalance
confusion
seizures
coma
death

and the drug is..........tap water!

[OhioBuckeye]

What the heck are the un vaccinated thinking? This must be the start of the proof that the overall US IQ's have dropped? If given a 94% chance of living vs 10% of dying if you get it or suffering from the effects for many years this group chose the sick and dying choice. I would add the un vaccinated also chose to put their friends or the general public at risk because of their stupid choice, yes stupid choice as no person with an ounce of sense would chose to die/suffer over life! The only good news out of this is they are "thinning the herd"!:ho:

Nicely said!

[Irishmen]

Let's see if I can beat that:

weight gain
edema
electrolyte imbalance
confusion
seizures
coma
death

and the drug is..........tap water!

excellent article on safety of vaccines by expert at Univ. of Alabama. Three things to know about the long-term side effects of COVID vaccines - News | UAB (https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12143-three-things-to-know-about-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines)

as he points out vaccines are one or two doses then done and are eliminated very quickly unlike other medications taken regularly over years which can cause more side effects over time. he says vaccines side effects appear within first 2 months.

btw: look at these side effects--warmth or redness in the face, neck, or chest,
stuffy nose,
headaches,
stomach pain,
upset stomach,
nausea,
diarrhea,
memory problems,
back pain,
an inability to differentiate between the colors green and blue,
loss of hearing,
ringing in the ears,
and dizziness.

that's Viagra, but it doesn't stop millions who take it.

and we shut down the economy, millions lost their job, millions are being evicted for symptoms above. Perfect response and proves what a scam the plandemic is. Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum are tickled pink so any were scared into submitting. Hey but the Border is wide open perfect plan executed no pun intended.

[Bill14564]

Tell it to over 300k people now with major side affects healthy until taken the jab. VAERS was shut down so many are reporting terrible side affects. Over 30k deaths now to say the jab is safe is propaganda.

What facebook page or nutjob conspiracy website did you get that information from???

VAERS was shut down? I went to the reporting page just now and it is quite open.

300k people? OK, it looks like there have been 433,000 people who have made entries into the database.

Over 30k deaths? Your "shut down" database that contains 50% more reporting than you claim says the number of deaths even reported is only 4,600. BUT REMEMBER, the database records associations, possibly correlations, but certainly not causations.

The top 5 reported side effects covering over 20% of the reports: headache, fever, fatigue, chills, pain. Exactly the side effects I experienced with my last flu shot, most of what I experienced with my shingrix shot and tetanus shot, and yes, the same effects I noticed with my second Pfizer shot. I expect most people experience these for many shots, they just don't run to the CDC database to complain about them.

[Irishmen]

Nicely said!

The death toll is incredible. All the dead bodies in the street all the dead bodies falling out. They're stacked outside of hospitals 20 deep. I heard 5 million died yesterday. Morge refrigerator trucks lined around the block outside hospitals. Military Mercy ships filled to the top dead bodies everywhere. Photos of dead bodies stacked in pickup trucks no more room in the cemeteries. Dead everywhere. Hospitals so full they are dong emergency operations on the rooftop so many dead everywhere. Dead bodies on the square waiting for days to be picked up there is no more room to store. Have to crawl over dead bodies just to get to mailbox. I saw 2 bodies laying in a sand trap dead bodies everywhere.

[merrymini]

It is true, the IQ quotient has dropped.
People will believe ANYTHING.
I realized that after reading this thread.

[stanley]

What was the topic of this thread again?.............been so long I forgot.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Tell it to over 300k people now with major side affects healthy until taken the jab. VAERS was shut down so many are reporting terrible side affects. Over 30k deaths now to say the jab is safe is propaganda.

Which "alternate facts" website did you get that info from? I have the VAERS reporting form on the other tab in my browser right now. It's up, running, and just fine.

[coffeebean]

The death toll is incredible. All the dead bodies in the street all the dead bodies falling out. They're stacked outside of hospitals 20 deep. I heard 5 million died yesterday. Morge refrigerator trucks lined around the block outside hospitals. Military Mercy ships filled to the top dead bodies everywhere. Photos of dead bodies stacked in pickup trucks no more room in the cemeteries. Dead everywhere. Hospitals so full they are dong emergency operations on the rooftop so many dead everywhere. Dead bodies on the square waiting for days to be picked up there is no more room to store. Have to crawl over dead bodies just to get to mailbox. I saw 2 bodies laying in a sand trap dead bodies everywhere.

I'm sure this is "tongue in cheek" but I do not appreciate the rhetoric. Reported!

[MDLNB]

Funny how some of those of you hysterical types disparage and demean those that have not been vaccinated, thinking that they will see "your way" and run out and get their shots.
For your information, and NOT to get political but those not getting vaccinated are NOT thinking politics at all. Most are either young folks, minorities or children. Almost half the country has been vaccinated, with at least one shot. Calm down and hold off on the hysteria.
Last month was the lowest DEATH rate attributed to Covid related deaths in a year and almost two. Isn't that great? Yes, the infection rate has spiked. And yes, it seems that they are reporting in influx of Covid related patients in the hospitals. Don't you get it? If the death rate is down, that's a good thing.
Take your cruises. If you have your vaccination, you have nothing to worry about, right? Or, don't you have confidence in the very vaccine that you are attempting to shove down everyone else's proverbial throats?
I have family coming down to visit this month. None of them have had their vaccination for Covid. All of the ones coming down to visit have had Covid. I am not going to encourage them to get the shots because that is a personal choice and I don't want to be responsible for any future side effects that may haunt them in years to come. They did not die and none of them were hospitalized. They are mostly in good health. I'm not worried, so why should it be anyone else's business if they are vaccinated or not?
Covid is here and it is an illness. The world has a record of illnesses that have been fatal. We have survived them all. I see no reason for mass hysteria, whether you feel justified being rattled or not.
Do what you have to do to stay safe and leave other folks to make their own decisions. Death will eventually catch up to all of you. Think of it as the ultimate life experience.


EXCELLENT post! I feel the same way.

[MDLNB]

Lol...I can't believe the bs that just came pouring from your mouth.

First....what is a proverbial throat?? Never heard that before.

Second...where,generally, do you live? So next week when you and the rest of the buffoons visit all of TV can stay as far away as possible.

Third....dont you keep up with any news...whats so ever? There has been story after story where an unvaxed spouse, child whatever has come down with Delta,, now dying or died and the last words before the ventilator was..."I should have gotten that shot"

Wake up!


Kinda hard to understand why this post was not deleted. ^^^

[MDLNB]

The vaccine is a PROVEN lifesaver. I will now prove it for all who read on to the next sentence!

97% of ALL medical Doctors in the US have gotten their CV shots. That fact is un-refutable!


Please provide proof

[Normal]

Why bother with proof of vaccine? It’s your risk, not anyone else’s. If you have the vaccine you can spread the virus. Um, if you haven’t been vaccinated, you can spread it. What good is proof?

Proof of vaccine is the dumbest idea ever! Seriously, who ever came up with such lunacy?

[MDLNB]

Why bother with proof of vaccine? It’s your risk, not anyone else’s. If you have the vaccine you can spread the virus. Um, if you haven’t been vaccinated, you can spread it. What good is proof?

Proof of vaccine is the dumbest idea ever! Seriously, who ever came up with such lunacy?




Good point! :thumbup:

[JMintzer]

The vaccine is a PROVEN lifesaver. I will now prove it for all who read on to the next sentence!

97% of ALL medical Doctors in the US have gotten their CV shots. That fact is un-refutable!

And only 50% of nurses and hospital aids have taken the vaccine...

What's you point?

[jimjamuser]

Tell it to over 300k people now with major side affects healthy until taken the jab. VAERS was shut down so many are reporting terrible side affects. Over 30k deaths now to say the jab is safe is propaganda.
The fact is irrefutable - 97% of ALL medical Doctors have taken their CV vaccines.

[Bill14564]

Why bother with proof of vaccine? It’s your risk, not anyone else’s. If you have the vaccine you can spread the virus. Um, if you haven’t been vaccinated, you can spread it. What good is proof?

Proof of vaccine is the dumbest idea ever! Seriously, who ever came up with such lunacy?

EDIT: It appears I seriously misunderstood the comment above. Though this doesn't apply, it is still true so I'll leave it. A more appropriate answer is farther below.

What good is proof? Good question. For someone who is willing to see the proof, it can save a life. For someone who willfully ignores the proof, then of course it is no good at all.

The proof of the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine is in all the data-based reporting, all you have to do is stop trying so hard not to see it.

EDIT: The more appropriate answer

Proof of vaccine will have three effects. 1. It will help protect those who truly cannot be vaccinated. 2. It will encourage those who can be vaccinated to do so now. 3. It will ease the stress on the healthcare system.

1. By keeping unvaccinated (potential carriers) away, those who truly cannot be vaccinated are better protected from the virus. Yes, we have been told there is a possibility that a vaccinated individual can be contagious but this has not yet been proven and in any case it would be rare. The intentionally unvaccinated are a risk that can be avoided with proof of vaccine.

2. The carrots that have been tried so far have been insufficient to overcome the willful ignorance of the deniers, perhaps a stick might work better.

3. Proof of vaccination should limit the gatherings of unvaccinated and slow the spread of the virus. Hospitals are filling again due to the unvaccinated which makes things more dangerous for those that might need to go there. Limiting the gatherings, slowing the spread, and easing the strain on hospitals will free up healthcare resources.

Who thought of proof of vaccine? It's been around for at least 50 years it just hasn't been applied to Covid-19 .... yet.

[jimjamuser]

Please provide proof
Please look it up with your Google machine.

[JMintzer]

The fact is irrefutable - 97% of ALL medical Doctors have taken their CV vaccines.

As long as we're repeating ourselves...

Only 50% of nurses and hospital aids have taken their CV vaccines...

[jimjamuser]

Why bother with proof of vaccine? It’s your risk, not anyone else’s. If you have the vaccine you can spread the virus. Um, if you haven’t been vaccinated, you can spread it. What good is proof?

Proof of vaccine is the dumbest idea ever! Seriously, who ever came up with such lunacy?
The French Government and most of its citizens want proof of vaccines. And so did ALL of the primary schools that we attended. The INCREASED trend toward vaccine aversion is a fairly recent phenomenon. It started in serious numbers about 4 or 5 years ago with the ...................

[jimjamuser]

As long as we're repeating ourselves...

Only 50% of nurses and hospital aids have taken their CV vaccines...
The IS true. And the reason IS that compared to Doctors, many nurses and aids are less sophisticated, less educated, and have less experience - to generalize. Therefore, much like the general population, the nurses and aids can be more easily influenced than Doctors by the softcore propaganda that IS available on Facebook, dark media, and the Laura and Tuckkums Comedy Hour. And, apparently, that 50% statistic is old and more like 70% due to the NEW awareness of and fear for the Delta variant that is causing a run toward the vaccines and testing. Americans ALWAYS do the RIGHT thing - after exhausting ALL other possibilities!

[roscoguy]

But, how many crossed and didn’t get caught? NOBODY knows that NUMBER.

You're right, of course. Neither I nor anyone else can answer that question. I'm still gonna object when I see misquoted or out-of-context statistics thrown about, which is exactly what the claim of 188k immigrants 'crossing the border is.

[coffeebean]

As long as we're repeating ourselves...

Only 50% of nurses and hospital aids have taken their CV vaccines...

Well, since it appears you are fishing for some sort of response...........I surmise that the 97% of physicians who have been vaccinated are just more intelligent and more informed than those 50% of nurses and hospital aides who refuse the vaccine. No?

[coffeebean]

I'm sure this is "tongue in cheek" but I do not appreciate the rhetoric. Reported!

Just checked. This post has not been removed yet. I'm disappointed.

[Swoop]

Well, since it appears you are fishing for some sort of response...........I surmise that the 97% of physicians who have been vaccinated are just more intelligent and more informed than those 50% of nurses and hospital aides who refuse the vaccine. No?

That figure, actually 96% was based on a survey of just 300 physicians…

[stanley]

Just checked. This post has not been removed yet. I'm disappointed.

There are many disappointments in life.

[mtdjed]

Talk of a need for a vaccine certificate to do things is a joke. Over 150 million US citizens have been vaccinated for Covid-19 and not one real certificate has been issued. Anyone with a computer, and a printer can create a so called COVID-19 certificate and I would suspect no health club , restaurant, airline or government office could tell it was not valid and deny anyone access.

While I personally got my jabs, I believe that the government is being presumptuous demanding people take this vaccine when they have yet to officially have FDA approval of its safety and effectiveness.

Also, how can this certificate be demanded when there is a question of the persons Identity? People can just copy another's "certificate"

[JMintzer]

Well, since it appears you are fishing for some sort of response...........I surmise that the 97% of physicians who have been vaccinated are just more intelligent and more informed than those 50% of nurses and hospital aides who refuse the vaccine. No?

In many cases, no...

I've known many nurses who can run rings around the attending physicians...

[JMintzer]

Well, since it appears you are fishing for some sort of response...........I surmise that the 97% of physicians who have been vaccinated are just more intelligent and more informed than those 50% of nurses and hospital aides who refuse the vaccine. No?

And I'm not "fishing" for anything. Just posting "facts" like other posters...

[JMintzer]

That figure, actually 96% was based on a survey of just 300 physicians…

If that's the case, the study was useless...

[asianthree]

I have not read any facility that has posted percentage of vaccinated healthcare staff. Maybe I have missed it, but I doubt you will ever see numbers posted by any healthcare. Media can make up any % they want.

So far as a traveler, not one facility has a mandatory vaccine order. Some facilities have 40 to 80% staff vaccinated, some have been at less than 31%.

But unlike some I respect their right to choose. It’s very different to be in the real world, rather than getting information from a screen.

[fishon]

The Delta-Lamda variants are not a cause for concern.
Obama is having 700 guests for his birthday on Martha’s Vineyard.
Maybe he thinks it’s a hoax

[Bay Kid]

I am from VA where we don't need to show an ID.

[MDLNB]

That figure, actually 96% was based on a survey of just 300 physicians…


No wonder there was no link provided. 96% of nothin, be nothin.

[CFrance]

The Delta-Lamda variants are not a cause for concern.
Obama is having 700 guests for his birthday on Martha’s Vineyard.
Maybe he thinks it’s a hoax
Wrong. He cancelled it due to the new outbreak. Not only that, originally guests were going to be tested on site before being let in.

[coffeebean]

That figure, actually 96% was based on a survey of just 300 physicians…

That is a very small study but still is telling.

[coffeebean]

There are many disappointments in life.

Touché.

[coffeebean]

Talk of a need for a vaccine certificate to do things is a joke. Over 150 million US citizens have been vaccinated for Covid-19 and not one real certificate has been issued. Anyone with a computer, and a printer can create a so called COVID-19 certificate and I would suspect no health club , restaurant, airline or government office could tell it was not valid and deny anyone access.

While I personally got my jabs, I believe that the government is being presumptuous demanding people take this vaccine when they have yet to officially have FDA approval of its safety and effectiveness.

Also, how can this certificate be demanded when there is a question of the persons Identity? People can just copy another's "certificate"

Are they going to copy the person's drivers' license or what ever other form of official ID they have? That is criminal. How many people will decide to break the law to fake their vaccination? Seems very risky to do that.

[coffeebean]

And I'm not "fishing" for anything. Just posting "facts" like other posters...

Seemed like "fishing" to me as you posted the same question twice; the second time because no one had responded to your query the first time. Maybe I read that incorrectly and I apologize if I did.

[JMintzer]

Seemed like "fishing" to me as you posted the same question twice; the second time because no one had responded to your query the first time. Maybe I read that incorrectly and I apologize if I did.

No, I posted it twice because another poster posted his 97% of Doctors "fact" that proved to be suspect over and over again...

Add to that, I only posted a question (What's your point?) once...

Are you really reading my posts before responding to them?

[Normal]

We are at a point where everyone knows about the vaccine, it is available at almost anytime to anyone and the facts are out there. If you want to risk not getting vaccinated, that’s your choice.

The vaccine isn’t perfect, and yes some get fairly sick or occasionally die after the second dose, but it does give liberty to those who risk it.

Get the shot.

[coffeebean]

No, I posted it twice because another poster posted his 97% of Doctors "fact" that proved to be suspect over and over again...

Add to that, I only posted a question (What's your point?) once...

Are you really reading my posts before responding to them?

I read all posts that I respond to.

[coffeebean]

We are at a point where everyone knows about the vaccine, it is available at almost anytime to anyone and the facts are out there. If you want to risk not getting vaccinated, that’s your choice.

The vaccine isn’t perfect, and yes some get fairly sick or occasionally die after the second dose, but it does give liberty to those who risk it.

Get the shot.

Deaths after the second dose of the mRNA vaccines are not necessarily directly related to the vaccines.......

What about reports about deaths after getting the vaccine? | ICSI (https://www.icsi.org/covid-19-vaccine-faq/what-about-the-doctor-in-miami-that-died-shortly-after-getting-his-first-dose-of-vaccine-what-about-the-deaths-in-europe/)

[fishon]

When will the third jabbers turn on the first and second jabbers?

[graciegirl]

I am glad that those who posted on this thread are not a part of the group of real people I know.

There are only a couple posters on this thread that I can relate to at all.

This is a situation around an illness that can be prevented. This is not political. Choose or not to get vaccinated. It is free.

I was so relieved when Moderna came to town.

I am so disappointed in the wild tales I read about this whole matter and the absolutely crazy opinions.

[PugMom]

The sky is falling, folks! Covid ain't gonna get ya, but hysteria/panic will.

:bigbow:

[stanley]

This is not political..

You haven't been paying attention.

[John Mayes]

I am glad that those who posted on this thread are not a part of the group of real people I know.

There are only a couple posters on this thread that I can relate to at all.

This is a situation around an illness that can be prevented. This is not political. Choose or not to get vaccinated. It is free.

I was so relieved when Moderna came to town.

I am so disappointed in the wild tales I read about this whole matter and the absolutely crazy opinions.

Not to take sides on the pro-vax or anti-vax side of the argument but I have to dispute your comment that the vaccine is free for those that choose to get it. It is not free. You may not pay for it personally when you get the shots but taxpayers are footing the bill.

[golfing eagles]

Not to take sides on the pro-vax or anti-vax side of the argument but I have to dispute your comment that the vaccine is free for those that choose to get it. It is not free. You may not pay for it personally when you get the shots but taxpayers are footing the bill.

And how much are the taxpayers paying for every day this pandemic goes on and on????

[Kelevision]

Last year according to ICE there were about 40,000 illegal entries per month at the southern border. This year it has increased to 188,000 per month. All of last years measures to control immigration were rescinded by executive order this year including the successful wait in place in Mexico until a hearing on asylum could be obtained, similar to what you are suggesting. You might think a wall won’t help but as you say we should listen to the experts. The border patrol experts on the front line believe a wall is helpful because it slows down the flow so they can use their limited manpower to apprehend the illegal immigrant. That is why cops use barricades for crowd control, it’s one tool. But with the polarization in society I don’t think compromise is possible because no one wants to take the first step or give an inch.

Barricades for crowd control don’t work, according to my eyes on Jan 6, 2021 when all those “illegals” stormed the capital building. Err….. I mean American “Patriots”.:ohdear:

[Kelevision]

Why would it be doomed? I have seen 100s of comments here blaming the anti vax movement on Fox news. This thread points out just how ridiculous that assumption is.

It's a big world :icon_wink:

Fox News is on 24/7 in Europe just like it is here. You should go travel more often. :MOJE_whot:

[Kelevision]

It’s a little silly to be protesting about a stupid shot. If you want get it, if you don’t people probably won’t care if you get sick or not.But keep away from me! Seems like anything we do or complain about someone starts a protest that leads to riots, why?

Anti-whatever protests have been going on since the civil rights movement in the 1960’s. The reasons are new, the protests are not.

[Kelevision]

The sky is falling, folks! Covid ain't gonna get ya, but hysteria/panic will.

Do you mean Covid ain’t gonna kill ya? Because it currently has 5 of my friends in Leesburg. And will you please tell that to Freedom Pointe because my dad was in there and somebody got coved so the shut the place down for 2 weeks and I couldn’t visit him. I left saying see you tomorrow and sadly, he passed away less than a week after so I never got to see him again. Because the sky is falling. Covid ain’t gonna get ya.. blah blah blah…..

[John Mayes]

And how much are the taxpayers paying for every day this pandemic goes on and on????

Not disputing that the costs associated with the results of the pandemic are enormous but rather was pointing out the vaccine is not “free”.

[MDLNB]

I understand your concern over the unvaccinated migrants coming across the border.

I agree we need to do something about it.

My suggestion offer tests, masks, and jabs, and if they refuse send them back. If they take them, then they continue into the seriously broken immigration court system to seek legal entry. Fixing the broken refugee court system so they get a hearing in days not years would be nice too, but that might make sense.

I don't think a wall helps, that is my opinion. I think flying the back is also not a solution. Again, hold them a couple of days, hear their plea, decide, and if rejected, dump them back in Mexico. Let Mexico deal with it. They let them (for the most part) cross their country unhampered in order to reach our border.


Will a locked door on your home stop a burglar? Maybe not, but it slows them down.

We have laws. They should not even be heard. If you are going to open borders then we do not need a visa line at our embassies.